I am a Christian, and I respect this video. You made a good point imrational, a very good point. I won't lie, I haven't considered this aspect before. However, the thought keeps coming into my mind - "Jesus is God's Son, but more importantly He is God. Is it wrong for God to sacrifice Himself? After all, He is God and He makes the rules. He chose to redeem humanity in Himself for reasons only He knows, and I also believe because He knew that no one else could fulfill that role. No one except He
I think you miss my point. Not about God making a sacrifice for us, but rather that the god DEMANDED a sacrifice be made and could not forgive without blood being spilt. The demand for the spilling of blood is what I have a problem with. Paying off a debt is entirely different than forgiving one. If the god "wrote the rules" then he could simply nullify the need for sacrifice. Forgiveness nevers enters into it.
If you're going to sacrifice someone to appease an angry God.. you probably shouldn't pick the God's son.. he's probably not going to be any less angry!
The only reason that every religion was made is to either extort money or to explain what happens after death and for obvious reasons we will never know until we are dead and thus sadly all religion will remain on this world made of science
You are right. It is through our sins that WE crucify Jesus. The main people involved are us, the Sanhedrin, and Pontius Pilate. God sends Jesus because people have the wrong idea about salvation. They thought that the rich were being rewarded for following the Law, when in actuality, they were the ones sinning. Jesus came to change the beliefs of the poor people, and the people who were wrong in thinking these things. Catholicism makes so much more sense when you learn about history.
Jesus was identifying himself with the Paschal Lamb, the Lamb that was sacrificed on Passover to save the Jews from slavery. Through Jesus death, he tells us to "drink his blood" so that the Jews would understand the reference and know that Jesus came to free them from the slavery of sin, not the Roman Empire.
WOW, I AGREE WITH ALL YOUR SAYYING, IF GOD IS FATHER WOULD HE SMASH HIS SON FOR US,, IVE GOT TO AGREE WITH YOU, AND MY FATHER DOES TOO,,,, I BELIEVE HE WAS A ATHIEST TILL HIS DEATH, I THINK I WILL BE LOOKING INTO THIS MORE,, THANK YOU
This is what you are describing in your video. It is a misinformed or misunderstood version of Christ. Matthew 5:11 says "God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers.
...But when I see/hear the misinformation of pastors and apologists it drives me batty. But it's not the sheeps' fault. Except that they have no desire to learn.
I've been an atheist for less than a year and a half after 20+ years as a Christian. I too desire to educate believers about what they don't know regarding their own religion (I'm even a member of the local chapter of the Reasonable Faith group and go to church sometimes). I'm amazed at how little these folks want to talk about their beliefs unless it's affirmation of presently held notions...
@slickone67 I'm sorry to hear that you're a bad person, however, I don't think you should presume to speak about the morality of people you don't know/haven't met.
@slickone67 We don;t deserve forgiveness, but Jesus gave it to us anyway. The fact that Jesus suffered and didn't deserve it is the opposite of sin and was enough to destroy sin. Now all that's left for us is to accept God through our actions. Jesus has already won the battle against Satan.
Once you tell someone about Jesus your work is done. It is up to them to decide whether they want to believe. Then when Jesus comes they cannot claim they never heard the Truth of Jesus.
@imrational We are judged by our actions and intentions. If you kill someone for the good of your God, you will go to heaven, as you have not been educated that the act you've committed is wrong. I feel that most atheists who converted from Christianity either weren't Catholic, or never learned about Theology. Oh and by the way I really like your videos, even though I am Catholic. I hope you find that Catholics are different than Christians and I will be uploading videos about that soon
@slickone67 And we'll burn in "Hell" for eternity. Why should we care? All us non-believers/abominations/lost souls etc., don't really care. We live. We die. That's it! It's not a depressing outlook, it's practical.
Dumbass Jesus didn't have to be sacrificed he voluteered to be sacrificed. The jews killed him the chistians did not. You said you read the bible but you don't know crap
Dumbass? Sounds like you have all that Christian theology down pat.
As to Jesus, you're missing my point. My point was that the god REQUIRED blood be spilled. If he was forgiving, no one (not even Jesus) would have been required to die. Understand now?
@imrational That is wrong. In order for us not to suffer eternal death He had to die for our sins. He had to rise from the dead for us. It is like saying He was sinful. It took a perfect sacrifice in order for us to be saved. So Jesus was made man in order to be the perfect sacrifice.
just cos people are atheist why do they have to laugh at other religions in most cases Christianity cos they don't have the balls to laugh at other religions.
I'm Christian and I have been agnostic for a while. But I fucking acknowledge fucking priest touching kids and I studied the BIG BANG AND EVOLUTION in school and BELIEVE it. I'm left and believe in free speech. My fucking best friend is an atheist.
I mean GOD DAMN. Grow the fuck up if someone has different beliefs then you TOLERATE it. It's not like we're all like the fucktards in the fucking KKK.
/And yes as a human I get just as pissed off when people are hard headed towards my beliefs
You're right, it's absolutely barbaric; which makes me all the more grateful. One element you're missing is that Jesus was also God in the flesh, and willingly gave His life. Im sure you would call any soldier who gives his life for another a hero. Why is Jesus any less? By the way, I want to apologize for the Christians who called you evil; inappropriate.
I do not call Jesus a hero because if he was God, then he had the option to not require blood sacrifice, or to at least forgive without requiring sacrifice. Instead, he required a bloody death and I think that is wrong.
I don't know who you talk to but i would love to talk to you. Yes Christians believe Jesus died for there sins but it is not about a human sacrifice. Its all about the resurrection, without it Christianity means nothing. So then i know your gonna say how can you say he is alive. I know I wasn't there. I would continue to talk but if you are interested i need to know one thing. Do you believe Jesus was on this earth.
Why do atheist try to twist everything around untill it looks ugly. I hate religion but I love Jesus Christ and the word of God. I have never seen anything in the word that even slightly promotes human sacrifice. Yes, Jesus died for our sins; but you have blown it way out of context. He also rose and overcame death. This is what we celebrate, never the torture of the innocent christ. I am sorry that you see such a selfless act in a negitive light, but you are badly mistaken in your analogy.
Your god supposedly created a system that demanded blood sacrifice. In the OT, animals were used, and then a human sacrifice in the NT. It's not selfless if your god demanded it in the first place. It's sick. Look at what you're justifying.
I will pray that God sends you his spirit this very night to call you, just as he called me. If you need anything, please email me. I am praying for you, not to be cursed, but to be called by the father in heaven. For once you have been called you will know it, and when you make your choice to follow him or not to follow him, you will know the consequences of your choice, for he will erase your doubts, not with proof, but with awe for him and a longing to be forgiven of your sins.
He sent us, who first had faith in him, his spirit or presence to dwell in our hearts as our reminder and our guide. He didn't send us proof first, but just as pain exists, and we all believe because it is experienced, so then do I believe in Jesus Christ for I have experienced him in my life. Release your doubts and trust in him, and then portray him as the Lord of your life and you will be forgiven. For we all are given a wicked heart, but Christ helps us to overcome our sinful natures.
You are so focussed on the sacrifice, that you are missing the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Have we not all heard how he is risen? Haven't we all been promised forgiveness in the name of Jesus Christ if we will just obey his gospel? Didn't he promise to send us his spirit as his guarantee of the promise of things to come if we ask him. He has set his seal upon us, so that we may know him. Christ is more than a thought, his spirit is alive and dwelling in all of us who are his children.
You sound lost, alone, and without comfort. God is the only comfort in this world or the here after, through Christ Jesus our Lord. You said you wanted to be forgiven, but acts of kindness, although they are a fruit of the spirit, alone will not save us from our sins. Only Jesus Christ our Lord and savior can forgive sins. Faith without fruits is dead, just like works without Christ is dead. Life is only found in Jesus Christ's resurrection.
I think you said it best. He is God and Jesus Christ is the only way. God didn't sacrifice just anyone, he sacrificed himself. For Christ was God in the flesh, who left his postion in heaven to walk among us, he bore our sins and his own vengance on those sins so that we may be forgiven.
You are trying to use logic to tell me that his spirit does not reside in me, just because you can't see it? Can you see pain? In the same way pain can be experienced, so it is with the spirit of God in us.
This is why Buddism is so much better than the sadistic immoral ideologies of Christianity. Christians think they have this moral worldly reglion, but it's just crass ancient babble. BTW, not a Buddist, but appreciate the lack of violence, murder, genocide, rape, incest, hell, torture, slavery, demons, witches and unicorns in their holy books.
Religion is not about rationality. Religion is about conforming to your tribal group identity. The bond to ones tribal group identity overrides rationality. You are a traitor to your group, sin is a lack of group conformity, and hell is the punishment for not joining the group. Religion is metaphor taken literally.
I think its perfectly normal to be upset about these thngs even more when you have them every day trying to convince you to join their cult or suffer for the rest of eternity. I myself have that situation but probably worse since it seems that im the only person in this island who possess the talent of thinking for themselves...
what did you get from doing all these? you realised you're just creating enemy? and not making anyone happier? i never seen a religious person that turn happier because they turn atheist. what's truth isn't that important, plus, you can't solely argue against it, even with a humble scientific approach.
I am happier as an atheist than I was as a Christian. I might have been happier as a Deist, but mainly due to ignorance. I would rather confront the truth than live in ignorance because I do think the truth is important.
As to what I want... I do know some things I want and am undecided on others. So goes life.
As to the no-life penis head creepy thing... um, yeah. Perhaps you could work on your insults a bit. They're kinda weak.
@imrational God shall judge you for turning against Him (not Her)! He cannot forgive Atheism. God wants you to vote republican! The Lord said, "Cursing is a gateway to Hell. He that insults Christians insults the best people in the world." So, how dare you turn against us. If you're not with us, you're an apostate! The principle of Christianity is to condemn those who believe in false prophets. Atheism is a false prophet! Hell is real, and I'll see you all there from a comfy seat next to Jesus.
@SinnersGoToHell Actually god if it existed would have no gender. metaphysical beings would have no gender since they are nothingness.
Also god can't forgive atheism? Why not? God by his(yes I know...I can't help calling it him. Force of habit.)nature is an atheist. He does not believe in a creator of himself so he yeah. If being an atheist is good enough for god why is it not good enough for you? Are you trying to say you're better than god?
@DesmondHsu The fool and the wise man can both be completely happy or sad but “wrong and happy" will become "wrong and sad" when the truth comes in. I would guess your happiest being dumb so why not change your subscriptions and stay that way...
@DesmondHsu The fool and the wise man can both be completely happy or sad but “wrong and happy" will become "wrong and sad" when the truth comes in. I would guess your happiest being dumb so why not change your subscriptions and stay that way...
Also, immrational, I don't know you name, but him stating that Joseph was wise, this is because his (in this case) prediction haha, of the outcome was one that would be beneficial for many, Norman considered this wise and he is right, because if you read the bible, his prediction made the outcome happen in that they stored the food beforehand. Anyways, just showing the intersubjectiveness of wisdom.
Atheist know more about the bible than people that go to Church everyday if you were to take an Atheist vs a person that attends Church every Sunday the Atheist hands down knows more about the bible...they are seekers.
@JohnnyBGood11 Atheists know very little of the bible because they do not interpret it symbolically nor spiritually, they focus on the bible literally and don't understand that it is a tool for self control of egoism and promotion of virtues... Jesus conveyed that simply praising God or asking for his help is not enough if you don't believe in him, and you believe in something else other than God if you don't live your life according to virtue. Reading the bible does not mean you understand it.
Who gives a shit about this!.In 100 years none of this is going to matter if one is Atheist so be it and if one believes in God so be it, you don't have to do Christmas if you are an Atheist. The majority of the people believe in a God so let them and you can laugh at them, people are going to think what they have been told by their parents..so if you are an Atheist go out and breed to build your numbers...when you become the majority then you can force people to your way of thinking.
I don't want to force anyone into my way of thinking. Forced belief equals a totalitarian State.
I do want to debate and discuss religion because if I am wrong, I want to know it and if I'm right, then I think religion is a harmful idea that will against our long term survival.
So on your angry rant should the government take "In God We Trust" off of money? and should every store have to say Happy Holidays instead have a Happy and Merry Christmas does that burn you up too when people say that stores are now going back to saying merry Christmas and puting Christmas back in advertising..I think it is a bunch of Sh!t that stores were forced to take Christmas out..who cares if people dont like Christmas to bad; What people should bow down to a few Atheist I dont think so
Yes, the gov should take "In God We Trust" off our currency. It endorses one set of religions over others (monotheistic over polytheistic and atheistic religions).
Stores can say whatever they want, they are private businesses and have freedom of belief (which I firmly support). Likewise, I have no problems with religions advertising. It doesn't use my tax dollars and shows their freedom of belief.
@imrational I don't know why you care so much about this when our government does soo many other things to screw over the people..what your ranting about is so petty, get over it, you sound like a crybaby!..you can always leave the country and go to a heavy populated area where atheist live, hows that?...go to Canada if your not there already, or do what I said find an atheist woman & have some kids and force them to believe in Nothing, you like apples, well how do you like those apples?
I do rant about things our government does. For example, talk to me about wikileaks sometime.
As to leaving the country, why should I? The Constitution guarantees me freedom of belief and speech (among other things). Why should I retreat when my freedoms are infringed upon?
If you do not believe in freedom, why do you stay in America? Why don't you move to Iraq? I hear they have a theocracy there.
I'm not the one being a crybaby & for your information this is not a free country one cannot go anywhere in the US...I have been to parts of Chicago and the police have told me to stay out of the area I don't cry about it, I listen to them, I bet you would cry about it & then say I want to go in that area, then you get mugged & then you cry some more...you need a box of kleenex tissues. if your freedoms are infringed upon write your local congressman and or get out and vote hows that crybaby
Why the need to insult? I find those who insult frequently unable to defend their positions otherwise. Feel free to continue if you want, I just don't understand your reasoning in doing so.
Who's to say I don't write my representatives when my freedoms are infringed upon already?
calling you a crybaby well it is the truth and besides you curse in your rants why do fell the need to curse & as for the past the companies did feel the pressure from atheists type groups..& to add who said I didn't believe in freedom..I tell you and other people the way it is and you dont like it..just like dealing with the law I bet you think your innocent until proven guilty..in todays world people are Guilty until proven innocent people are tried in the newspaper before stepping into court!
Sorry about the cursing in the video. Most of my videos don't have any.
As to companies, that's still their choice. They could still say Merry Christmas and ignore any atheists who complain as is their right. Just like you can avoid those businesses that only say an inclusive "Happy Holidays".
I personally do not care if a company has a nativity scene with a tap dancing Jesus. It's private property and they be able to do as they wish. But why should I have to shop there?
@imrational,.. even if I were an Atheist I could care less if the governement put a nativity scene on tax payers (government property) it is like this alot of people dont have children and pay taxes for schools in reality that is not fair..and single people pay more taxes than people with children that is not fair, why is it they get tax breaks because of having children... all the crying over that is not going to change it, what I'm saying is your wasting your time talking about changing it
There are constant attempts to have religions try and insert themselves into the State. It grants them protection, it gives them validation. Even though you might think I'm wasting my time, I know that speaking up has helped fight off some intrusions and also reversed some as well.
If you want freedom, you have to fight for it. The smallest battles make a difference too. I'm curious though, why do you waste your time trying to convince me otherwise?
As to paying for public schools when you don't have kids (I'm a Libertarian, there's a part of me that sides with not being forced to pay for such things if you don't have kids), however, you still reap benefits of public education by keeping children off the streets, having people around you educated, etc. It helps build a more stable society.
@imrational kids are still running the streets; in todays world it is much worse kids just dont care even in simple jobs and today the children have more learning tools with the internet everyone has some type of access to the internet and kids just dont care..and as for freedom we are a 2 party system Dems. or Repubs. those are the main two we have to choose from...what, that is one more choice than Russia that is freedom? and celebrities win the independent ticket once in a blue moon.
@imrational I vote dem, but I don't believe it is going to do any good because no matter who gets in they turn bad...I think it is a joke both parties it is really sad because your representatives don't do what you want anyway, I did not want them to bail out wall street in end it is going to come down class wars rich vs poor there is no middle class not sure you are keeping up with the dollar & what china & Russia are doing.on u tube type this> China & Russia Ditching The Dollar = Currency War
I think the two party system has been totally corrupted and is harming this country. I personally think that we should replace elections with random lottery for interested and eligible citizens. Put common people in office. It would undercut election financing problems, re-infranchise distrustful citizens, allow us to have real input into government, etc.
Why is it that Atheist always cry about nativity scenes at federal buildings during Christmas.that is being a bunch of crybabies..like I said the majority of people believe in God if you want to do something about it have children with a person that believes your view and vote people out of office and yours in...I said it before Atheists get more press at Christmas time..when Christmas is over the tree is thrown out along with the Atheists..that is my observation I see every year.
We complain because that is an infringement of the Constitution. The government is endorsing one religion over others, putting Freedom of Religion at risk.
It shouldn't matter who is in office, Christian, atheist or Muslim. The Constitution guarantees religious freedom and an elected official should abide by that. What do you have against freedom?
I dont have anything against freedom and as for putting In God we Trust on money the government does endorse religion what they are saying any God of your choosing and if your an Atheist since being an Atheist is not a religion sorry your left out or it means Atheist can worship anything; anything is your God including believing we came from nothing; believing in nothing is a type of religion for Atheists that is what I take from it that way everyone is covered, it is how you look at it
There are atheistic (no god religions) and polytheistic (many gods) religions. By putting "God" singular, it endorses monotheistic religions over and above all others.
You would make a great politician I’m giving you examples of how it is and then you spin it saying I have something against freedom I remember you, I asked you a hypothetic question about being offered a million dollars for your soul & you could not give me a straight yes or no answer, it was a hypothetical question you treated it like it was real & like I told you before true atheists I would ask say yes because they say there isn't a soul to buy, your good at avoiding answering the question
I can't believe you're criticizing me for taking a hypothetical question seriously. If you didn't want me to take it seriously, then why ask it?
As to freedom, you are against it. Your comments show that you are against the idea of freedom of belief/religion. You (or at least your comments give the strong indication) want to have the Christian religion closely enshrined in the government.
I was taking it seriously you just got ridiculous & just by how you carry yourself I now know alot about you; you're a perfectionist & your anal-retentive. I worked with a couple of perfectionists doing taxes they were worthless, took them hours to do simple tasks I told a PHD Professor that I would never hire someone that is a straight A student because they have never tasted failure.He mentioned many other professors feel the same way..another professors said that perfectionists are nut jobs
lol, if you think I'm anal retentive and a perfectionist, you should meet my brother!
I do tend to overthink things, but seriously, I'm usually pretty laid back. I don't get angry often, I leave my ax half-speckled. Still, I appreciate having someone tell me how others see me.
No one is forcing that companies take "Merry Christmas" out. Private businesses are allowed to celebrate Christmas, Kwanza, Festivus, or any other thing they wish. Get your facts straight please.
There are many so called moral stories in the bible and most of them are disturbing. Killing your own children is even among these stores and when I talk about how I think these things are discusting and I don't want anything to doo with such a discusting religion and they are almost always angry and think I am the one that is messed up and it makes me want to strangle them .. you are not alone, please keep this video up.
Respond to this video... why do you change the theme of the cross.sacrifice and not sin.dying is a sin.study the bible a bit more then you can be the pope.lol
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my progression sounds alot like yours I was christian, became deist, became atheist, became angry atheist. I now try to just let it be and rest in the thought that at least I am thinking logically, I find looking at religion from a sociologists or anthropologists point of view makes it much easier to stomach and understand.
@hebijebi03 I guess I really relate to you because living in south carolina, I too feel alone in my opinions, almost all of the time. Not trying to be a fanboy or anything but I just want to say I agree with you.....im sure it feels good to hear that...it would for me
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Take heart irrational. You're not irrational, just politically incorrect. Read "IS CHRISTIANITY TRUE?" by Michael Arnheim (Oxford U. Press) Know that there is no such thing as a Judeo-Christian tradition. Judaism and Christianity are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. Just practice the 7 Noahide Laws and you'll be fine. They are what the one-and-only incorporeal G-D desires, as expressed in THE Divine Revelation (the Torah), on Mt. Sinai more than 3,300 yrs. ago.
Most atheists just shut up and do nothing. Letting others believe in an invisible supreme being who knows what will happen to you and still lets misery and punishment come upon you makes more sense than speaking up and telling them they are senseless. That the being is fearful to come out and wants you to fear and revere him/her/it also makes no sense as well. What would HE be afraid of?
But, c'est le vie. What bothers me is how dumb the evangelicals vote in the USA. That is the real problem
Believe me, u r not alone. I share the same views & feelings you do. I just went thru my "angry-all-the-time" stage in the 1st year I was debating. Eventually, I got a grip on my emotional outrage at seeing so many people, so deluded and in denial about this Judeo-Christian god!
Part of the problem is that most Xians only read the NT, & parts of it at that. Few have ever truly studied the OT, & that's part of the problem, IMHO. They selectively choose what scripture to "see." & block others.
The same exact thing happened to me when I joined youtube 4 years ago. I started debating Xians & bcuz they r so dishonest & blinded by their delusion, I became very angry, started showing it. I just can't stand an outright lie!
I was a Xian 4 over 50 years B4 becoming an atheist, or non-believer.
3 yrs ago, I started to study scripture more deeply than ever before. I can see thru this barbaric religion now. Xians can't bcuz they refuse to. They are in deep denial. This can give 1 an attitude!
He died for our sins. Maybe you are right why couldnt god of just always made forgiveness from the begining well dont forgot no one belived he was the son of god untill he was resurected. Im not sure on it all just the little parts of the story
atheist are such idiots ... Jesus is not dead . He died but He rose again. and so what if He shed his blood? If that's the way God chose to do it. then so be it. Just do like you're told and shut up ...
And Jesus was God in human form .... And He's way more than just human ...
True love has to be a choice. I know a lot of you in the comments think that God can do whatever He wants, but he cannot deter our free will of whether to choose Him or not. You are not a better person because you choose not to believe in the Cross. The fact of the matter is that none of us are good and we all choose to sin rather than to love God. The cross is not something we take lightly. We are thankful that God would come down from Heaven and die for his Children in order that we can live.
@imrational Yes, obviously being human means you are sinful this is imperfect, not completely good! Although we are a mix of good and bad. I'm sure you can understand how you are sinful or imperfect. If you do not equate perfection with good or virtue that is your ignorance, I stand by religions, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Saint Augustine, Blaise Pascal, Saint Aquinas, Saint Thomas More and many more! What you are ignoring here about the sacrifice is this: God forgives, you are wrong cont.
@imrational Continuing... Jesus was killed by the ignorance of others, "forgive them for they know not what they do". He was not killed by God, rather it was permitted. Anyways, doing charitable things and being good is what religion promotes, this is good, however it is obvious to see that you are an atheist because you are no saint, from your lack of mental calmness, self control, hatred towards that which is more good than bad (religion). It is bad that you feel alone however
Sorry, but you're wrong. The Christian God demanded a human blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin. The people who condemned Jesus were doing what they were supposed to! Keep in mind that merely saying God's name was punishable by being stoned to death. Now, imagine someone saying that they are God's love-child via a now married teenage girl. From their standpoint, Jesus was a massive blasphemer.
@imrational The sacrifice of Jesus was elected by Jesus, if you think it was forced, you are incorrect, Jesus chose to be murdered just as Socrates did. And through his death, people can see the fortitude and virtue, his lack of egoism and belief in love as the ultimate virtue. If you critique him also de so to Socrates for he believed that he must be sacrificed unjustly in order to uphold his belief in virtue and truth. Just as Gandhi sacrificed himself in exposing himself for truth.
I'm not criticizing Jesus for allowing himself to be sacrificed. I'm criticizing the notion that a loving god would require such a sacrifice for forgiveness. You look at one while ignoring the other.
@imrational I don't know what you are talking about as for God's name being punishable by death, I focus on the New Testament as it is an evolution of the Old Testament and what misconception there were in the Old Testament were understood under a new light in the New. I like Catholicism because it interprets the bible, that is symbolic passages are viewed as such. It is not literal interpretations found with the Protestants. Mother Mary in the scriptures was described as a celibate person.
The Jews at the time of Jesus followed the OT. To them, someone walking up and saying, "I'm your God's love child" would have been considered the ultimate blasphemy, requiring that they put Jesus to death. So, God's plan required that they sacrifice him. The OT demanded it.
@imrational And supposedly Saint Joseph knew this. I don't understand the part of JEsus being a blashpemer and the love-child relation, be so kind as to explain that to me thnx.
@imrational This is probably because you have conflicting ideas within you, an atheist will never be truly happy for happiness is virtue and religion teaches this best, the proof is they produce saints. You focus too much on human reason which is a bad thing... Your reasoning is flawed as a human and in fact it is unreasonable to go against religion in an extreme sense, going against the fruits or good effects it produces in people by focusing like atheists always do, in doctrinal flaws
If human reason is faulty, then what do base your reasoning on? Blind faith? Sorry, but believing something without logic, testable theories, and supporting evidence is far worse a method.
@imrational You existence does not prove me wrong, I don't believe that religion is necessary for virtue however it is irrefutable by reason (lack of moral structure) and by observation (lack of virtuous people) that religion has promoted the most amount of virtuous people in the world, while secular people or atheists are far behind, this is obvious.
If you look at democratic/freedom loving nations... those with higher percentages of atheists have less violent crime than religious ones. In the USA, there are far fewer atheists in prison than christians, even when you account for population percentages.
So, if you care to actually examine the evidence before saying such things, you'd find that you are, in FACT, quite wrong about your stance.
@imrational you said "there are far fewer atheists in prison than christians, even when you account for population percentages" that is because 99 % of the people that enter prison find God in prison most were atheists before entering prison!..most people find God in prison don't you know that, people want to believe in something and don't want to think they threw their life away why else would most come out a believer these stats you put out are a joke your like FOX News stating percentages
Maybe you're just trolling, but I think it would make you look better if you actually checked your facts before making comments like that. 99% of the people are not atheist going into jail. At least they identify themselves as religious going in.
Why would I quote Fox news on something like this?
@imrational Human reason is faulty yes, but I never said it was non existent, you atheists are similar to the ancient sophists, not caring for respect of the truth, launching lies and playing with semantics, truly because I say reason is imperfect I do not mean that automatically there is no reason. Testable theories logic and supporting evidence is all I have given in defending that religion produces the most amount of virtuous people in the world.
@imrational instead of focusing on how it TRANSFORMS the personality in a positive manner when employed properly, (being a good person). Compare the greatest atheists with the greatest of saints and tell me what way of being conducts to more loving and happy, intrepid followers. You throw down the sacrifice of Jesus and label it as sick, however, it is beautiful in that it was chosen by Jesus to teach his love and self abnegation similar to Socrates, to benefit others, u see, love...
The apex humans of atheism are never people who dedicate their lives in the form of the saints of religions, they have not the wisdom to teach others to live their life, atheist simply deny and reject, destroy instead of promoting or constructing a good way of life, this is why they are not similar to the loving saint. atheists base themselves on relativism, on Protagoras man is the measure of all things, however this has already been refuted long ago by Socrates...
I suggest you read up on some of your "Saints". Read up on the history of some of them. I would say that a great many atheists led lives far more beneficial to humanity than they did.
As to promoting a good way of life, I have volunteered for a great many causes, I have worked as a nurse all over the country in inner city hospitals for the past decade and strive to be an ethical person. My mere existence proves you wrong.
@imrational Im glad you volunteer as a nurse, however I don't think this compares with the many religious monks and clergy who dedicate their lives in giving not only materials to the poor but most importantly love, I for example have participated for several years in giving food to the poor with different organizations, however I noticed what they really hungered for was love, so I often spoke with some ate with some and could see they were satisfied. This is what religion ALSO offers.
@imrational You have to compare still the secular organizations with the religious ones in efficacy, in number and how many souls they help. Not only measuring material help but also help in the heart or mental emotional acceptance.
It's very hard to measure mental and emotional healing as it is a subjective claim.
As to numbers helped, I would say that secular organizations that have come up with drought and pest resistant crops have fed more people than all religions combined and secular aid organizations are far more efficient than religious ones.
@imrational Stating that it is very hard to measure mental and emotional healing, it is only by modern scientific methods it is hard, but not for a human being with common sense. One can tell how much religion helps mentally others, how much a sister of charity helps a marginalized dying man or the poor child. No (modern) "scientific" measurements necessary just an open heart that observes wisely. The food you speak of doesn't reach the mouth of the poor by atheists.
As to food reaching the mouths of the poor, I suggest you google Norman Borlaug and also examine those countries you are specifically referring to. Those countries have the lowest percentage of atheists in them.
@abadjpyo@abadjpyo I believe this is good enough information to prove the importance of religion here is it not? I don't understand why so many atheists (looked in the internet as you suggested) want to make Norman seem an absolute atheist, considering all the information which shows he had respect for religion... interesting. Anywho the organization stated is no doubt Christian... ;)
@imrational Nor, more importantly do the atheists offer them the most important thing, acceptance of reality by compassion, caring, which religion does much more efficiently and common sense proves this. I have yet to hear of a saintly atheist, a WISE atheist, a good atheist, I have heard of and met wise religious people however. All I have heard of is erudite atheists, however many are not even erudites in claiming to prove wrong which has never been disproven (majority).
@abadjpyo Not to mention the bible quoting in his nobel speech. All this taken into consideration no true atheist would do such things correct? Since his work was so impacted by religion it actually proves that religion is all the more important for helping others, and for those atheists that try to take religion out of this man, read up on him first... Also, saints are superior in that they give love personally dedicating their lives in spiritual poverty, something food cannot give.
@abadjpyo HIS LECTURE: Im not gonna put all the refereces up just google it: Plant diseases... form, as is clear from Pharaoh's dreams and Joseph's interpretation of imminent famine and his preparation for it, as indicated by this quotation from Genesis: "...And the seven years of dearth began to come, according as Joseph had said: and the dearth was in all lands; but in all the land of Egypt there was bread..."4 For his time, Joseph was wise, with the help of his God. 6th paragraph.
@YDKSMovies the free will excuse. you have free will to choose but you better choose what God wants you to choose: Love me or else.. not much of choice is it? "The fact of the matter is that none of us are good" and people say that religion does not poison minds. So God had to como down as himself and his son and sacrifice himself/son in order to appeace himself because we are less than shit due to a woman ate a fruit she wasn't supposed to after listening to a talking reptile, fucking real.
I struggle with religion a lot,having grown up in a religious upbringing.
I agree with you Imrational about how the act of blood sacrifice seems rather sick as the cleanser of sins.As does the idea of eternal torment for disobedience to the creator.
Also I can't understand why the sacrifice of Jesus would be necessary in the first place.God could have prevented it in the beginning,so why should I be so thankful for God providing an alternate route for something that never should have happened?
lol, im atheist, i dont beleive in god because there is no proof and why should i worship someone who may not even exist? what is " god " was just someone trying to get attention back in the old days like a supposedly " pope " ?. i dont get it. no proof of god. why worship him?
WHAT? I mean, you know, I mean, you know, WHAT? you know, WHAT? I mean, you know, I mean, WHAT?if you were so sure of your ideas than you wouldnt be bothered by others.
imrational, Thanks for posting this. You come across as honest, which is pretty rare on Youtube. I certainly respect your right to believe or not believe, but I what always confuses me is why atheists feel they need a reason to deny God. It's like you're saying "The whole issue of the crucifixion of Christ so appalling that I must therefore deny the Biblical God." That's like saying "I can only believe in a God that fits what I think God should be." But - can you create your own God?
thanks for the compliments. I do strive for honesty.
As to denying God, I can't speak for other atheists, but for me... I'm first and foremost a Skeptic. Anything COULD be true. I merely want a testable theory with supporting evidence before I believe in it.
@imrational Hi. I think the one thing you might be overlooking is that while Jesus gave himself willingly, and Jehovah God did send Jesus to die, it was human beings who killed Him. God never required human sacrifice - not even in the Old Testament under Hebrew law. Yet many pagan gods did. And Jesus himself stated "No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." John 10:18
it doesnt question my faith in a god. I also believe I am a rational person. I would get annoyed if christians or people of any other religion was doing what you said in the video, but I get annoyed too when atheists do it and they do do it. I also find it very unfair that most atheists will whine over christianity but not any other religion. I mean Many muslims are alot more religious then christians but most athiests wont go near or question them. Imo both sides can be annoying equally.
-time for hundreds of years they get angry because he was put to death and blame it on the Jews which is very unfair. In my opinion with the bible or any other scripture you can be a good honest open minded person and you can find that that is they right way to live life. And you can find the exact opisate in religious scriptures. Were you live a life of selfishness and cruelty and parts of the scriptures say it is fine to live like that. I believe in every proven scientifiic discovery and-
I believe in God. Now I dont know which religion is right or if any of the teachings are right and I know many of the teachings are wrong but they applied for the time in they were written. Now with Jesus, it was self sacrifice. He did feel it was his destiny, but at the same time it is a contradiction because many christians believe that he was the messiah predicted, yet the messiah was meant to become king not be killed. And christians are happy over the sacrifice but they also at the same-
I agree with you imrational, I'm currently having a pm debate with a guy, and I constantly give him evidence and arguments against his beliefs and for evolution and 'non-creation', but then he just like puts his fingers in his ears and scream BLABLABLA and gives me some kind of argument that has been debunked at least one million, and when I debunk it once again he goes BLABLABLA all over again. IT IS FKIN ANOYING! >:O
I have asked myself maybe its me many times. But then i woke up the next day and see 90% of Christians living lives directly contradicting the bullshit they spout then i get my head straight again.
@imrational:- You sound like the rational guy you say you're. Even when you are angry, you don't slander people who have a different opinion from yours. But there are atheists on this website that can't have a proper debate, all they do is slander.
You've your own reasons why you don't accept Christ while I have good reason to accept Him. I have questioned both science and religion and have concluded that, yes Jesus is the Saviour. We may not agree, but I appreciate u not slandering X'tians
I tend to get angry also. It's hard not to when you are confronted with the sheer willful idiocy that they espouse.
However, I think I have the solution. It works for me, at least.
Just accept the fact that you're smarter than they are. They are NOT your peers, or your equals. Getting angry at them for their stupidity is like getting angry at a kindergartner for not being able to read.
Learn to laugh, and don't be disappointed with them. They are NOT your responsibility.
I am a Christian, and I respect this video. You made a good point imrational, a very good point. I won't lie, I haven't considered this aspect before. However, the thought keeps coming into my mind - "Jesus is God's Son, but more importantly He is God. Is it wrong for God to sacrifice Himself? After all, He is God and He makes the rules. He chose to redeem humanity in Himself for reasons only He knows, and I also believe because He knew that no one else could fulfill that role. No one except He
coaldiamond1 6 days ago
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I think you miss my point. Not about God making a sacrifice for us, but rather that the god DEMANDED a sacrifice be made and could not forgive without blood being spilt. The demand for the spilling of blood is what I have a problem with. Paying off a debt is entirely different than forgiving one. If the god "wrote the rules" then he could simply nullify the need for sacrifice. Forgiveness nevers enters into it.
imrational 6 days ago
If you're going to sacrifice someone to appease an angry God.. you probably shouldn't pick the God's son.. he's probably not going to be any less angry!
jeffreyser 1 week ago
The only reason that every religion was made is to either extort money or to explain what happens after death and for obvious reasons we will never know until we are dead and thus sadly all religion will remain on this world made of science
IamOnionSam 3 weeks ago
all hail noone hahaha fuck religion
TheWhiteOwl23 1 month ago
i know exactly what youre fucking talking about
BMXplease11 1 month ago
You are right. It is through our sins that WE crucify Jesus. The main people involved are us, the Sanhedrin, and Pontius Pilate. God sends Jesus because people have the wrong idea about salvation. They thought that the rich were being rewarded for following the Law, when in actuality, they were the ones sinning. Jesus came to change the beliefs of the poor people, and the people who were wrong in thinking these things. Catholicism makes so much more sense when you learn about history.
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Jesus was identifying himself with the Paschal Lamb, the Lamb that was sacrificed on Passover to save the Jews from slavery. Through Jesus death, he tells us to "drink his blood" so that the Jews would understand the reference and know that Jesus came to free them from the slavery of sin, not the Roman Empire.
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WOW, I AGREE WITH ALL YOUR SAYYING, IF GOD IS FATHER WOULD HE SMASH HIS SON FOR US,, IVE GOT TO AGREE WITH YOU, AND MY FATHER DOES TOO,,,, I BELIEVE HE WAS A ATHIEST TILL HIS DEATH, I THINK I WILL BE LOOKING INTO THIS MORE,, THANK YOU
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This is what you are describing in your video. It is a misinformed or misunderstood version of Christ. Matthew 5:11 says "God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers.
slickone67 3 months ago
...But when I see/hear the misinformation of pastors and apologists it drives me batty. But it's not the sheeps' fault. Except that they have no desire to learn.
BigIdeaSeeker 3 months ago
I've been an atheist for less than a year and a half after 20+ years as a Christian. I too desire to educate believers about what they don't know regarding their own religion (I'm even a member of the local chapter of the Reasonable Faith group and go to church sometimes). I'm amazed at how little these folks want to talk about their beliefs unless it's affirmation of presently held notions...
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If you feel alone it is because you don't have Christ in your life.
slickone67 3 months ago
You can't earn forgiveness. We don't deserve it. You think we all deserve forgiveness. We don't deserve any part of that.
Why do Bad things happen to Good people?
There is only One Good person that walked the earth. His name was Jesus.
We are all Bad people. The only thing that makes us good in Gods eyes is the death for our sins.
slickone67 3 months ago
@slickone67 I'm sorry to hear that you're a bad person, however, I don't think you should presume to speak about the morality of people you don't know/haven't met.
imrational 3 months ago
@slickone67 I thought a person was defined by their "Hearts", not something as minuscule as human action...
MasterRocker1289 2 months ago
@slickone67
I forgive you.
imrational 1 month ago
@slickone67 We don;t deserve forgiveness, but Jesus gave it to us anyway. The fact that Jesus suffered and didn't deserve it is the opposite of sin and was enough to destroy sin. Now all that's left for us is to accept God through our actions. Jesus has already won the battle against Satan.
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Once you tell someone about Jesus your work is done. It is up to them to decide whether they want to believe. Then when Jesus comes they cannot claim they never heard the Truth of Jesus.
slickone67 3 months ago
@slickone67
So, if no one tells a person about Jesus... do they get a free pass? It seems to me that you should keep your mouth shut if you want to save souls.
imrational 3 months ago
@imrational No when everyone dies they will have heard about Him it's up to them whether they ignore it or not.
slickone67 3 months ago
@imrational We are judged by our actions and intentions. If you kill someone for the good of your God, you will go to heaven, as you have not been educated that the act you've committed is wrong. I feel that most atheists who converted from Christianity either weren't Catholic, or never learned about Theology. Oh and by the way I really like your videos, even though I am Catholic. I hope you find that Catholics are different than Christians and I will be uploading videos about that soon
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@slickone67 ,
It would really suck if the person that told you about Jesus did a shitty job.
imrational 3 months ago
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slickone67 3 months ago
@slickone67 And we'll burn in "Hell" for eternity. Why should we care? All us non-believers/abominations/lost souls etc., don't really care. We live. We die. That's it! It's not a depressing outlook, it's practical.
MasterRocker1289 2 months ago
Every knee will bow when Jesus comes back. Be prepared.
slickone67 3 months ago
Dumbass Jesus didn't have to be sacrificed he voluteered to be sacrificed. The jews killed him the chistians did not. You said you read the bible but you don't know crap
savi1314 4 months ago
@savi1314
Dumbass? Sounds like you have all that Christian theology down pat.
As to Jesus, you're missing my point. My point was that the god REQUIRED blood be spilled. If he was forgiving, no one (not even Jesus) would have been required to die. Understand now?
imrational 4 months ago
@imrational That is wrong. In order for us not to suffer eternal death He had to die for our sins. He had to rise from the dead for us. It is like saying He was sinful. It took a perfect sacrifice in order for us to be saved. So Jesus was made man in order to be the perfect sacrifice.
slickone67 3 months ago
just cos people are atheist why do they have to laugh at other religions in most cases Christianity cos they don't have the balls to laugh at other religions.
BackInAGiffy 4 months ago
@BackInAGiffy
Um... I wasn't laughing at Christianity in the video. I don't think i laughed at all during it.
I have laughed at Mormonism, Raelianism, FSM, and a few others previously though.
imrational 4 months ago
@imrational i wasn't directing it at you sorry, i did watch you're video.
BackInAGiffy 4 months ago
I'm Christian and I have been agnostic for a while. But I fucking acknowledge fucking priest touching kids and I studied the BIG BANG AND EVOLUTION in school and BELIEVE it. I'm left and believe in free speech. My fucking best friend is an atheist.
I mean GOD DAMN. Grow the fuck up if someone has different beliefs then you TOLERATE it. It's not like we're all like the fucktards in the fucking KKK.
/And yes as a human I get just as pissed off when people are hard headed towards my beliefs
quocdarock 5 months ago
You're right, it's absolutely barbaric; which makes me all the more grateful. One element you're missing is that Jesus was also God in the flesh, and willingly gave His life. Im sure you would call any soldier who gives his life for another a hero. Why is Jesus any less? By the way, I want to apologize for the Christians who called you evil; inappropriate.
rwelshify 5 months ago
@rwelshify
I do not call Jesus a hero because if he was God, then he had the option to not require blood sacrifice, or to at least forgive without requiring sacrifice. Instead, he required a bloody death and I think that is wrong.
imrational 4 months ago
I don't know who you talk to but i would love to talk to you. Yes Christians believe Jesus died for there sins but it is not about a human sacrifice. Its all about the resurrection, without it Christianity means nothing. So then i know your gonna say how can you say he is alive. I know I wasn't there. I would continue to talk but if you are interested i need to know one thing. Do you believe Jesus was on this earth.
ngowngow 7 months ago
@ngowngow
I think it is likely that a cult leader by the name of Jesus existed.
Do I think he was the son of the creator of the universe? I doubt it. (but then again, I'm a Skeptic philosophically)
imrational 7 months ago
Why do atheist try to twist everything around untill it looks ugly. I hate religion but I love Jesus Christ and the word of God. I have never seen anything in the word that even slightly promotes human sacrifice. Yes, Jesus died for our sins; but you have blown it way out of context. He also rose and overcame death. This is what we celebrate, never the torture of the innocent christ. I am sorry that you see such a selfless act in a negitive light, but you are badly mistaken in your analogy.
rsktransport 8 months ago
@rsktransport
"Yes, Jesus died for our sins"
Your god supposedly created a system that demanded blood sacrifice. In the OT, animals were used, and then a human sacrifice in the NT. It's not selfless if your god demanded it in the first place. It's sick. Look at what you're justifying.
imrational 8 months ago
I agree completely. Keep up the good work!
LordSitri 8 months ago
This isn't a rant of atheism it's a rant of your boo-hoo emotions about people you're surrounded with.
SirGeorge8600 9 months ago
@SirGeorge8600
what can I say? I'm an emotional guy. :)
imrational 9 months ago
I will pray that God sends you his spirit this very night to call you, just as he called me. If you need anything, please email me. I am praying for you, not to be cursed, but to be called by the father in heaven. For once you have been called you will know it, and when you make your choice to follow him or not to follow him, you will know the consequences of your choice, for he will erase your doubts, not with proof, but with awe for him and a longing to be forgiven of your sins.
onewayoneforgiveness 9 months ago
He sent us, who first had faith in him, his spirit or presence to dwell in our hearts as our reminder and our guide. He didn't send us proof first, but just as pain exists, and we all believe because it is experienced, so then do I believe in Jesus Christ for I have experienced him in my life. Release your doubts and trust in him, and then portray him as the Lord of your life and you will be forgiven. For we all are given a wicked heart, but Christ helps us to overcome our sinful natures.
onewayoneforgiveness 9 months ago
You are so focussed on the sacrifice, that you are missing the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Have we not all heard how he is risen? Haven't we all been promised forgiveness in the name of Jesus Christ if we will just obey his gospel? Didn't he promise to send us his spirit as his guarantee of the promise of things to come if we ask him. He has set his seal upon us, so that we may know him. Christ is more than a thought, his spirit is alive and dwelling in all of us who are his children.
onewayoneforgiveness 9 months ago
You sound lost, alone, and without comfort. God is the only comfort in this world or the here after, through Christ Jesus our Lord. You said you wanted to be forgiven, but acts of kindness, although they are a fruit of the spirit, alone will not save us from our sins. Only Jesus Christ our Lord and savior can forgive sins. Faith without fruits is dead, just like works without Christ is dead. Life is only found in Jesus Christ's resurrection.
onewayoneforgiveness 9 months ago
I think you said it best. He is God and Jesus Christ is the only way. God didn't sacrifice just anyone, he sacrificed himself. For Christ was God in the flesh, who left his postion in heaven to walk among us, he bore our sins and his own vengance on those sins so that we may be forgiven.
You are trying to use logic to tell me that his spirit does not reside in me, just because you can't see it? Can you see pain? In the same way pain can be experienced, so it is with the spirit of God in us.
onewayoneforgiveness 9 months ago
This is why Buddism is so much better than the sadistic immoral ideologies of Christianity. Christians think they have this moral worldly reglion, but it's just crass ancient babble. BTW, not a Buddist, but appreciate the lack of violence, murder, genocide, rape, incest, hell, torture, slavery, demons, witches and unicorns in their holy books.
Futureplanet 10 months ago
Religion is not about rationality. Religion is about conforming to your tribal group identity. The bond to ones tribal group identity overrides rationality. You are a traitor to your group, sin is a lack of group conformity, and hell is the punishment for not joining the group. Religion is metaphor taken literally.
humansaretheworld 1 year ago
I think its perfectly normal to be upset about these thngs even more when you have them every day trying to convince you to join their cult or suffer for the rest of eternity. I myself have that situation but probably worse since it seems that im the only person in this island who possess the talent of thinking for themselves...
barisu3 1 year ago
what did you get from doing all these? you realised you're just creating enemy? and not making anyone happier? i never seen a religious person that turn happier because they turn atheist. what's truth isn't that important, plus, you can't solely argue against it, even with a humble scientific approach.
you don't know what you want, do you?
creepy old no-life penis head
DesmondHsu 1 year ago
@DesmondHsu
I am happier as an atheist than I was as a Christian. I might have been happier as a Deist, but mainly due to ignorance. I would rather confront the truth than live in ignorance because I do think the truth is important.
As to what I want... I do know some things I want and am undecided on others. So goes life.
As to the no-life penis head creepy thing... um, yeah. Perhaps you could work on your insults a bit. They're kinda weak.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational God shall judge you for turning against Him (not Her)! He cannot forgive Atheism. God wants you to vote republican! The Lord said, "Cursing is a gateway to Hell. He that insults Christians insults the best people in the world." So, how dare you turn against us. If you're not with us, you're an apostate! The principle of Christianity is to condemn those who believe in false prophets. Atheism is a false prophet! Hell is real, and I'll see you all there from a comfy seat next to Jesus.
SinnersGoToHell 10 months ago
@SinnersGoToHell Actually god if it existed would have no gender. metaphysical beings would have no gender since they are nothingness.
Also god can't forgive atheism? Why not? God by his(yes I know...I can't help calling it him. Force of habit.)nature is an atheist. He does not believe in a creator of himself so he yeah. If being an atheist is good enough for god why is it not good enough for you? Are you trying to say you're better than god?
hinro 10 months ago
@imrational as a person with no penis i take offense to this
Bleakillusion 10 months ago
@imrational
You cannot claim a religion is ignorance, many people believe in different religions. Atheism has no proof, or explanation of the universe.
GokzTT 9 months ago
@DesmondHsu I am also an atheist and happy with that. Because :
1. All religions are cruel and fighting each other
2. They take people away from 'REAL' science
3. They are out of fashion believes which have been developed in order to find some solution for human's afraid of death
Old Muslim
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@DesmondHsu I am also an atheist and happy with that. Because :
1. All religions are cruel and fighting each other
2. They take people away from 'REAL' science
3. They are out of fashion believes which have been developed in order to find some solution for human's afraid of death
Old Muslim
sakusaku973 10 months ago
@DesmondHsu The fool and the wise man can both be completely happy or sad but “wrong and happy" will become "wrong and sad" when the truth comes in. I would guess your happiest being dumb so why not change your subscriptions and stay that way...
Sorry imrational I’m ranting too
mpolkey 9 months ago
@DesmondHsu The fool and the wise man can both be completely happy or sad but “wrong and happy" will become "wrong and sad" when the truth comes in. I would guess your happiest being dumb so why not change your subscriptions and stay that way...
Sorry imrational I’m ranting too
mpolkey 9 months ago
Also, immrational, I don't know you name, but him stating that Joseph was wise, this is because his (in this case) prediction haha, of the outcome was one that would be beneficial for many, Norman considered this wise and he is right, because if you read the bible, his prediction made the outcome happen in that they stored the food beforehand. Anyways, just showing the intersubjectiveness of wisdom.
abadjpyo 1 year ago
Wikipedia article says his grandparents helped start the Immanuel Norwegian Evangelical Lutheran Congregation:
His 1970 Nobel Peace Prize lecture quotes the Bible 5 times:
He served for 6 years as a trustee for the Christian non-profit organization Bread for the World
abadjpyo 1 year ago
Atheist know more about the bible than people that go to Church everyday if you were to take an Atheist vs a person that attends Church every Sunday the Atheist hands down knows more about the bible...they are seekers.
JohnnyBGood11 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11 Atheists know very little of the bible because they do not interpret it symbolically nor spiritually, they focus on the bible literally and don't understand that it is a tool for self control of egoism and promotion of virtues... Jesus conveyed that simply praising God or asking for his help is not enough if you don't believe in him, and you believe in something else other than God if you don't live your life according to virtue. Reading the bible does not mean you understand it.
abadjpyo 1 year ago
Who gives a shit about this!.In 100 years none of this is going to matter if one is Atheist so be it and if one believes in God so be it, you don't have to do Christmas if you are an Atheist. The majority of the people believe in a God so let them and you can laugh at them, people are going to think what they have been told by their parents..so if you are an Atheist go out and breed to build your numbers...when you become the majority then you can force people to your way of thinking.
JohnnyBGood11 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11
I don't want to force anyone into my way of thinking. Forced belief equals a totalitarian State.
I do want to debate and discuss religion because if I am wrong, I want to know it and if I'm right, then I think religion is a harmful idea that will against our long term survival.
imrational 1 year ago
So on your angry rant should the government take "In God We Trust" off of money? and should every store have to say Happy Holidays instead have a Happy and Merry Christmas does that burn you up too when people say that stores are now going back to saying merry Christmas and puting Christmas back in advertising..I think it is a bunch of Sh!t that stores were forced to take Christmas out..who cares if people dont like Christmas to bad; What people should bow down to a few Atheist I dont think so
JohnnyBGood11 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11
Yes, the gov should take "In God We Trust" off our currency. It endorses one set of religions over others (monotheistic over polytheistic and atheistic religions).
Stores can say whatever they want, they are private businesses and have freedom of belief (which I firmly support). Likewise, I have no problems with religions advertising. It doesn't use my tax dollars and shows their freedom of belief.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational I don't know why you care so much about this when our government does soo many other things to screw over the people..what your ranting about is so petty, get over it, you sound like a crybaby!..you can always leave the country and go to a heavy populated area where atheist live, hows that?...go to Canada if your not there already, or do what I said find an atheist woman & have some kids and force them to believe in Nothing, you like apples, well how do you like those apples?
JohnnyBGood11 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11
I do rant about things our government does. For example, talk to me about wikileaks sometime.
As to leaving the country, why should I? The Constitution guarantees me freedom of belief and speech (among other things). Why should I retreat when my freedoms are infringed upon?
If you do not believe in freedom, why do you stay in America? Why don't you move to Iraq? I hear they have a theocracy there.
imrational 1 year ago
I'm not the one being a crybaby & for your information this is not a free country one cannot go anywhere in the US...I have been to parts of Chicago and the police have told me to stay out of the area I don't cry about it, I listen to them, I bet you would cry about it & then say I want to go in that area, then you get mugged & then you cry some more...you need a box of kleenex tissues. if your freedoms are infringed upon write your local congressman and or get out and vote hows that crybaby
JohnnyBGood11 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11
Why the need to insult? I find those who insult frequently unable to defend their positions otherwise. Feel free to continue if you want, I just don't understand your reasoning in doing so.
Who's to say I don't write my representatives when my freedoms are infringed upon already?
imrational 1 year ago
calling you a crybaby well it is the truth and besides you curse in your rants why do fell the need to curse & as for the past the companies did feel the pressure from atheists type groups..& to add who said I didn't believe in freedom..I tell you and other people the way it is and you dont like it..just like dealing with the law I bet you think your innocent until proven guilty..in todays world people are Guilty until proven innocent people are tried in the newspaper before stepping into court!
JohnnyBGood11 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11
Sorry about the cursing in the video. Most of my videos don't have any.
As to companies, that's still their choice. They could still say Merry Christmas and ignore any atheists who complain as is their right. Just like you can avoid those businesses that only say an inclusive "Happy Holidays".
I personally do not care if a company has a nativity scene with a tap dancing Jesus. It's private property and they be able to do as they wish. But why should I have to shop there?
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational,.. even if I were an Atheist I could care less if the governement put a nativity scene on tax payers (government property) it is like this alot of people dont have children and pay taxes for schools in reality that is not fair..and single people pay more taxes than people with children that is not fair, why is it they get tax breaks because of having children... all the crying over that is not going to change it, what I'm saying is your wasting your time talking about changing it
JohnnyBGood11 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11
There are constant attempts to have religions try and insert themselves into the State. It grants them protection, it gives them validation. Even though you might think I'm wasting my time, I know that speaking up has helped fight off some intrusions and also reversed some as well.
If you want freedom, you have to fight for it. The smallest battles make a difference too. I'm curious though, why do you waste your time trying to convince me otherwise?
imrational 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11
As to paying for public schools when you don't have kids (I'm a Libertarian, there's a part of me that sides with not being forced to pay for such things if you don't have kids), however, you still reap benefits of public education by keeping children off the streets, having people around you educated, etc. It helps build a more stable society.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational kids are still running the streets; in todays world it is much worse kids just dont care even in simple jobs and today the children have more learning tools with the internet everyone has some type of access to the internet and kids just dont care..and as for freedom we are a 2 party system Dems. or Repubs. those are the main two we have to choose from...what, that is one more choice than Russia that is freedom? and celebrities win the independent ticket once in a blue moon.
JohnnyBGood11 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11
I don't know about you, but I vote Libertarian for elections (or green party if no Libertarians are on the ticket).
As to kids running around, meh, it'd be worse without school. Try visiting some other countries and see how their societies function.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational I vote dem, but I don't believe it is going to do any good because no matter who gets in they turn bad...I think it is a joke both parties it is really sad because your representatives don't do what you want anyway, I did not want them to bail out wall street in end it is going to come down class wars rich vs poor there is no middle class not sure you are keeping up with the dollar & what china & Russia are doing.on u tube type this> China & Russia Ditching The Dollar = Currency War
JohnnyBGood11 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11
I think the two party system has been totally corrupted and is harming this country. I personally think that we should replace elections with random lottery for interested and eligible citizens. Put common people in office. It would undercut election financing problems, re-infranchise distrustful citizens, allow us to have real input into government, etc.
imrational 1 year ago
Why is it that Atheist always cry about nativity scenes at federal buildings during Christmas.that is being a bunch of crybabies..like I said the majority of people believe in God if you want to do something about it have children with a person that believes your view and vote people out of office and yours in...I said it before Atheists get more press at Christmas time..when Christmas is over the tree is thrown out along with the Atheists..that is my observation I see every year.
JohnnyBGood11 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11
We complain because that is an infringement of the Constitution. The government is endorsing one religion over others, putting Freedom of Religion at risk.
It shouldn't matter who is in office, Christian, atheist or Muslim. The Constitution guarantees religious freedom and an elected official should abide by that. What do you have against freedom?
imrational 1 year ago
I dont have anything against freedom and as for putting In God we Trust on money the government does endorse religion what they are saying any God of your choosing and if your an Atheist since being an Atheist is not a religion sorry your left out or it means Atheist can worship anything; anything is your God including believing we came from nothing; believing in nothing is a type of religion for Atheists that is what I take from it that way everyone is covered, it is how you look at it
JohnnyBGood11 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11
There are atheistic (no god religions) and polytheistic (many gods) religions. By putting "God" singular, it endorses monotheistic religions over and above all others.
Your definition of "worship" is flawed.
imrational 1 year ago
You would make a great politician I’m giving you examples of how it is and then you spin it saying I have something against freedom I remember you, I asked you a hypothetic question about being offered a million dollars for your soul & you could not give me a straight yes or no answer, it was a hypothetical question you treated it like it was real & like I told you before true atheists I would ask say yes because they say there isn't a soul to buy, your good at avoiding answering the question
JohnnyBGood11 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11
I can't believe you're criticizing me for taking a hypothetical question seriously. If you didn't want me to take it seriously, then why ask it?
As to freedom, you are against it. Your comments show that you are against the idea of freedom of belief/religion. You (or at least your comments give the strong indication) want to have the Christian religion closely enshrined in the government.
imrational 1 year ago
I was taking it seriously you just got ridiculous & just by how you carry yourself I now know alot about you; you're a perfectionist & your anal-retentive. I worked with a couple of perfectionists doing taxes they were worthless, took them hours to do simple tasks I told a PHD Professor that I would never hire someone that is a straight A student because they have never tasted failure.He mentioned many other professors feel the same way..another professors said that perfectionists are nut jobs
JohnnyBGood11 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11
lol, if you think I'm anal retentive and a perfectionist, you should meet my brother!
I do tend to overthink things, but seriously, I'm usually pretty laid back. I don't get angry often, I leave my ax half-speckled. Still, I appreciate having someone tell me how others see me.
imrational 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11
No one is forcing that companies take "Merry Christmas" out. Private businesses are allowed to celebrate Christmas, Kwanza, Festivus, or any other thing they wish. Get your facts straight please.
imrational 1 year ago
There are many so called moral stories in the bible and most of them are disturbing. Killing your own children is even among these stores and when I talk about how I think these things are discusting and I don't want anything to doo with such a discusting religion and they are almost always angry and think I am the one that is messed up and it makes me want to strangle them .. you are not alone, please keep this video up.
123Larra 1 year ago
Respond to this video... why do you change the theme of the cross.sacrifice and not sin.dying is a sin.study the bible a bit more then you can be the pope.lol
MrPATSPAWN 1 year ago
BITCH ITZ A BIG ASS LAKE OF FIRE RIGHT UNDERNEATH THIS FUCK'D UP EARTH MOTHERFUCKERS CALL OUT TO GOD WHILE HAVING SEX EVERY FUCK'N DAY
DEVIL WORSHIPERS WORSHIP SATAN MORE THAN CHRISTIANS WORSHIP GOD
DONT BE A PUSSY BECAUSE GO DIDNT ANSWER YOUR PRAYER MOTHERFUCKER IM N DA SAME BOAT ASS YOU AND I PRAY MY ASS OFF TO THE POINT WHERE I QUIT SOMETIME BUT TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS ARE A BITCH JOB WITH THRU SOME BULLSHIT SO WILL WE WEAK ASS SHOULD BE ASHAME ASK GOD TO 4GIVE U AND LEAN THRU TERMOIL
commando713 1 year ago
I pray to George Carlin
Bifrons 1 year ago
My message to thiests, WAKE THE FUCK UP!
conman300 1 year ago
my progression sounds alot like yours I was christian, became deist, became atheist, became angry atheist. I now try to just let it be and rest in the thought that at least I am thinking logically, I find looking at religion from a sociologists or anthropologists point of view makes it much easier to stomach and understand.
hebijebi03 1 year ago
@hebijebi03 I guess I really relate to you because living in south carolina, I too feel alone in my opinions, almost all of the time. Not trying to be a fanboy or anything but I just want to say I agree with you.....im sure it feels good to hear that...it would for me
hebijebi03 1 year ago
@hebijebi03 FUCK THAT SCIENCE SHIT NIGGA YOU BETTER ASK GOD TO FORGIVE YOUR ASS FOR TURNING YOUR BACK SHIT I PRAY BEEN FUCK'N PRAYING AND GO THRU BULLSHIT ALL THA TIME BUT I KNOW ITS A FUCK'N GOD IF IT AINT SHIT ELSE N THIS WORLD WHO DA FUCK MADE US ANIT NO MAN WALK'N OUT NO FUCK'N JUNGEL FUCK A BIG BANG THEORY N DA ASS NIGGA WE CAME FROM DIRT AND GO BACK TO IT WHEN WE DIE ALL YOU WEAK ASS MOTHERFUCKERS NEED A HUG FROM DA LORD WITH YALL SENSITVE ASS NIGGA HE DIDNT SAY THIS SHIT WAS GONNA BE EASY
commando713 1 year ago
@commando713
please tell me you're joking
BlockisticStudios 1 year ago
@BlockisticStudios Was your momma joking when she had your ass
commando713 1 year ago
@commando713
Okay, that just about justifies all my assumptions about you.
BlockisticStudios 1 year ago
Take heart irrational. You're not irrational, just politically incorrect. Read "IS CHRISTIANITY TRUE?" by Michael Arnheim (Oxford U. Press) Know that there is no such thing as a Judeo-Christian tradition. Judaism and Christianity are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. Just practice the 7 Noahide Laws and you'll be fine. They are what the one-and-only incorporeal G-D desires, as expressed in THE Divine Revelation (the Torah), on Mt. Sinai more than 3,300 yrs. ago.
Jakob1951 1 year ago
Most atheists just shut up and do nothing. Letting others believe in an invisible supreme being who knows what will happen to you and still lets misery and punishment come upon you makes more sense than speaking up and telling them they are senseless. That the being is fearful to come out and wants you to fear and revere him/her/it also makes no sense as well. What would HE be afraid of?
But, c'est le vie. What bothers me is how dumb the evangelicals vote in the USA. That is the real problem
updownleftrightinout 1 year ago
Believe me, u r not alone. I share the same views & feelings you do. I just went thru my "angry-all-the-time" stage in the 1st year I was debating. Eventually, I got a grip on my emotional outrage at seeing so many people, so deluded and in denial about this Judeo-Christian god!
Part of the problem is that most Xians only read the NT, & parts of it at that. Few have ever truly studied the OT, & that's part of the problem, IMHO. They selectively choose what scripture to "see." & block others.
Cootabux 1 year ago
The same exact thing happened to me when I joined youtube 4 years ago. I started debating Xians & bcuz they r so dishonest & blinded by their delusion, I became very angry, started showing it. I just can't stand an outright lie!
I was a Xian 4 over 50 years B4 becoming an atheist, or non-believer.
3 yrs ago, I started to study scripture more deeply than ever before. I can see thru this barbaric religion now. Xians can't bcuz they refuse to. They are in deep denial. This can give 1 an attitude!
Cootabux 1 year ago
He died for our sins. Maybe you are right why couldnt god of just always made forgiveness from the begining well dont forgot no one belived he was the son of god untill he was resurected. Im not sure on it all just the little parts of the story
EKmion 1 year ago
im an angry atheist too
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xXxTimmyBoyxXx 1 year ago
atheist are such idiots ... Jesus is not dead . He died but He rose again. and so what if He shed his blood? If that's the way God chose to do it. then so be it. Just do like you're told and shut up ...
And Jesus was God in human form .... And He's way more than just human ...
blackandwise 1 year ago
True love has to be a choice. I know a lot of you in the comments think that God can do whatever He wants, but he cannot deter our free will of whether to choose Him or not. You are not a better person because you choose not to believe in the Cross. The fact of the matter is that none of us are good and we all choose to sin rather than to love God. The cross is not something we take lightly. We are thankful that God would come down from Heaven and die for his Children in order that we can live.
YDKSMovies 1 year ago
@YDKSMovies
Your religion states what is sinful or not. Apparently, being human is a sin. It's a perverted take of "blaming the victim".
The idea of blood sacrifice for forgiveness is sick.
imrational 1 year ago 2
@imrational Yes, obviously being human means you are sinful this is imperfect, not completely good! Although we are a mix of good and bad. I'm sure you can understand how you are sinful or imperfect. If you do not equate perfection with good or virtue that is your ignorance, I stand by religions, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Saint Augustine, Blaise Pascal, Saint Aquinas, Saint Thomas More and many more! What you are ignoring here about the sacrifice is this: God forgives, you are wrong cont.
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@imrational Continuing... Jesus was killed by the ignorance of others, "forgive them for they know not what they do". He was not killed by God, rather it was permitted. Anyways, doing charitable things and being good is what religion promotes, this is good, however it is obvious to see that you are an atheist because you are no saint, from your lack of mental calmness, self control, hatred towards that which is more good than bad (religion). It is bad that you feel alone however
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@abadjpyo
Sorry, but you're wrong. The Christian God demanded a human blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin. The people who condemned Jesus were doing what they were supposed to! Keep in mind that merely saying God's name was punishable by being stoned to death. Now, imagine someone saying that they are God's love-child via a now married teenage girl. From their standpoint, Jesus was a massive blasphemer.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational The sacrifice of Jesus was elected by Jesus, if you think it was forced, you are incorrect, Jesus chose to be murdered just as Socrates did. And through his death, people can see the fortitude and virtue, his lack of egoism and belief in love as the ultimate virtue. If you critique him also de so to Socrates for he believed that he must be sacrificed unjustly in order to uphold his belief in virtue and truth. Just as Gandhi sacrificed himself in exposing himself for truth.
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@abadjpyo
I'm not criticizing Jesus for allowing himself to be sacrificed. I'm criticizing the notion that a loving god would require such a sacrifice for forgiveness. You look at one while ignoring the other.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational I don't know what you are talking about as for God's name being punishable by death, I focus on the New Testament as it is an evolution of the Old Testament and what misconception there were in the Old Testament were understood under a new light in the New. I like Catholicism because it interprets the bible, that is symbolic passages are viewed as such. It is not literal interpretations found with the Protestants. Mother Mary in the scriptures was described as a celibate person.
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@abadjpyo
The Jews at the time of Jesus followed the OT. To them, someone walking up and saying, "I'm your God's love child" would have been considered the ultimate blasphemy, requiring that they put Jesus to death. So, God's plan required that they sacrifice him. The OT demanded it.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational And supposedly Saint Joseph knew this. I don't understand the part of JEsus being a blashpemer and the love-child relation, be so kind as to explain that to me thnx.
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@imrational This is probably because you have conflicting ideas within you, an atheist will never be truly happy for happiness is virtue and religion teaches this best, the proof is they produce saints. You focus too much on human reason which is a bad thing... Your reasoning is flawed as a human and in fact it is unreasonable to go against religion in an extreme sense, going against the fruits or good effects it produces in people by focusing like atheists always do, in doctrinal flaws
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@abadjpyo
If human reason is faulty, then what do base your reasoning on? Blind faith? Sorry, but believing something without logic, testable theories, and supporting evidence is far worse a method.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational You existence does not prove me wrong, I don't believe that religion is necessary for virtue however it is irrefutable by reason (lack of moral structure) and by observation (lack of virtuous people) that religion has promoted the most amount of virtuous people in the world, while secular people or atheists are far behind, this is obvious.
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@abadjpyo
atheists are far behind in virtue? Prove it.
If you look at democratic/freedom loving nations... those with higher percentages of atheists have less violent crime than religious ones. In the USA, there are far fewer atheists in prison than christians, even when you account for population percentages.
So, if you care to actually examine the evidence before saying such things, you'd find that you are, in FACT, quite wrong about your stance.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational you said "there are far fewer atheists in prison than christians, even when you account for population percentages" that is because 99 % of the people that enter prison find God in prison most were atheists before entering prison!..most people find God in prison don't you know that, people want to believe in something and don't want to think they threw their life away why else would most come out a believer these stats you put out are a joke your like FOX News stating percentages
JohnnyBGood11 1 year ago
@JohnnyBGood11
Maybe you're just trolling, but I think it would make you look better if you actually checked your facts before making comments like that. 99% of the people are not atheist going into jail. At least they identify themselves as religious going in.
Why would I quote Fox news on something like this?
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational Human reason is faulty yes, but I never said it was non existent, you atheists are similar to the ancient sophists, not caring for respect of the truth, launching lies and playing with semantics, truly because I say reason is imperfect I do not mean that automatically there is no reason. Testable theories logic and supporting evidence is all I have given in defending that religion produces the most amount of virtuous people in the world.
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@abadjpyo
Not caring for the respect of the truth? I beg your pardon. You might want to reconsider those words as they come across as a wee bit offensive.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational instead of focusing on how it TRANSFORMS the personality in a positive manner when employed properly, (being a good person). Compare the greatest atheists with the greatest of saints and tell me what way of being conducts to more loving and happy, intrepid followers. You throw down the sacrifice of Jesus and label it as sick, however, it is beautiful in that it was chosen by Jesus to teach his love and self abnegation similar to Socrates, to benefit others, u see, love...
abadjpyo 1 year ago
The apex humans of atheism are never people who dedicate their lives in the form of the saints of religions, they have not the wisdom to teach others to live their life, atheist simply deny and reject, destroy instead of promoting or constructing a good way of life, this is why they are not similar to the loving saint. atheists base themselves on relativism, on Protagoras man is the measure of all things, however this has already been refuted long ago by Socrates...
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@abadjpyo
I suggest you read up on some of your "Saints". Read up on the history of some of them. I would say that a great many atheists led lives far more beneficial to humanity than they did.
As to promoting a good way of life, I have volunteered for a great many causes, I have worked as a nurse all over the country in inner city hospitals for the past decade and strive to be an ethical person. My mere existence proves you wrong.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational Im glad you volunteer as a nurse, however I don't think this compares with the many religious monks and clergy who dedicate their lives in giving not only materials to the poor but most importantly love, I for example have participated for several years in giving food to the poor with different organizations, however I noticed what they really hungered for was love, so I often spoke with some ate with some and could see they were satisfied. This is what religion ALSO offers.
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@abadjpyo
The thing is, there are secular organizations that's only mission is to serve the poor, offer health services, etc.
With your religious ones, you get a significant amount of money spent on temples, recruitment of new members/proselytizing.
In other words, if you want solely to offer food for the poor, etc... it is more efficient to use secular and not religious organizations.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational You have to compare still the secular organizations with the religious ones in efficacy, in number and how many souls they help. Not only measuring material help but also help in the heart or mental emotional acceptance.
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@abadjpyo
It's very hard to measure mental and emotional healing as it is a subjective claim.
As to numbers helped, I would say that secular organizations that have come up with drought and pest resistant crops have fed more people than all religions combined and secular aid organizations are far more efficient than religious ones.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational Stating that it is very hard to measure mental and emotional healing, it is only by modern scientific methods it is hard, but not for a human being with common sense. One can tell how much religion helps mentally others, how much a sister of charity helps a marginalized dying man or the poor child. No (modern) "scientific" measurements necessary just an open heart that observes wisely. The food you speak of doesn't reach the mouth of the poor by atheists.
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@abadjpyo
As to the food not reaching the mouth of the poor, I suggest you google Norman Borlaug.
imrational 1 year ago
@abadjpyo
As to food reaching the mouths of the poor, I suggest you google Norman Borlaug and also examine those countries you are specifically referring to. Those countries have the lowest percentage of atheists in them.
imrational 1 year ago
@abadjpyo The current president of Bread for the World, Rev. Dr. David Beckman, conducted his funeral
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@abadjpyo @abadjpyo I believe this is good enough information to prove the importance of religion here is it not? I don't understand why so many atheists (looked in the internet as you suggested) want to make Norman seem an absolute atheist, considering all the information which shows he had respect for religion... interesting. Anywho the organization stated is no doubt Christian... ;)
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@imrational Nor, more importantly do the atheists offer them the most important thing, acceptance of reality by compassion, caring, which religion does much more efficiently and common sense proves this. I have yet to hear of a saintly atheist, a WISE atheist, a good atheist, I have heard of and met wise religious people however. All I have heard of is erudite atheists, however many are not even erudites in claiming to prove wrong which has never been disproven (majority).
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@abadjpyo Not to mention the bible quoting in his nobel speech. All this taken into consideration no true atheist would do such things correct? Since his work was so impacted by religion it actually proves that religion is all the more important for helping others, and for those atheists that try to take religion out of this man, read up on him first... Also, saints are superior in that they give love personally dedicating their lives in spiritual poverty, something food cannot give.
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@abadjpyo HIS LECTURE: Im not gonna put all the refereces up just google it: Plant diseases... form, as is clear from Pharaoh's dreams and Joseph's interpretation of imminent famine and his preparation for it, as indicated by this quotation from Genesis: "...And the seven years of dearth began to come, according as Joseph had said: and the dearth was in all lands; but in all the land of Egypt there was bread..."4 For his time, Joseph was wise, with the help of his God. 6th paragraph.
abadjpyo 1 year ago
@YDKSMovies the free will excuse. you have free will to choose but you better choose what God wants you to choose: Love me or else.. not much of choice is it? "The fact of the matter is that none of us are good" and people say that religion does not poison minds. So God had to como down as himself and his son and sacrifice himself/son in order to appeace himself because we are less than shit due to a woman ate a fruit she wasn't supposed to after listening to a talking reptile, fucking real.
DocStrange0123 1 year ago
@YDKSMovies
that probably because your fake god is not all powerful...unlike my ONE TRUE GOD.
LuminousTruth 1 year ago
I struggle with religion a lot,having grown up in a religious upbringing.
I agree with you Imrational about how the act of blood sacrifice seems rather sick as the cleanser of sins.As does the idea of eternal torment for disobedience to the creator.
Also I can't understand why the sacrifice of Jesus would be necessary in the first place.God could have prevented it in the beginning,so why should I be so thankful for God providing an alternate route for something that never should have happened?
gtw1983 1 year ago
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lol, im atheist, i dont beleive in god because there is no proof and why should i worship someone who may not even exist? what is " god " was just someone trying to get attention back in the old days like a supposedly " pope " ?. i dont get it. no proof of god. why worship him?
NecKClippA 1 year ago
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WHAT? I mean, you know, I mean, you know, WHAT? you know, WHAT? I mean, you know, I mean, WHAT?if you were so sure of your ideas than you wouldnt be bothered by others.
xtronec 1 year ago
imrational, Thanks for posting this. You come across as honest, which is pretty rare on Youtube. I certainly respect your right to believe or not believe, but I what always confuses me is why atheists feel they need a reason to deny God. It's like you're saying "The whole issue of the crucifixion of Christ so appalling that I must therefore deny the Biblical God." That's like saying "I can only believe in a God that fits what I think God should be." But - can you create your own God?
DeEastSanJo 1 year ago
@DeEastSanJo
thanks for the compliments. I do strive for honesty.
As to denying God, I can't speak for other atheists, but for me... I'm first and foremost a Skeptic. Anything COULD be true. I merely want a testable theory with supporting evidence before I believe in it.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational Hi. I think the one thing you might be overlooking is that while Jesus gave himself willingly, and Jehovah God did send Jesus to die, it was human beings who killed Him. God never required human sacrifice - not even in the Old Testament under Hebrew law. Yet many pagan gods did. And Jesus himself stated "No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." John 10:18
DeEastSanJo 1 year ago
@DeEastSanJo
The Christian God demanded a human blood sacrifice to forgive sins. You worship that god and the idea of blood atonement.
Try to spin it however you like, the truth is pretty obvious to those looking past the BS.
imrational 1 year ago
Stop saying umm and and uhhh and but uhhh.. when you talk... it's annoying.
jmr604 1 year ago
@jmr604
I know! I didn't edit this video really, so it especially stands out.
Hopefully my other videos aren't as bad.
imrational 1 year ago
@imrational Good post though. I have a lot of simular feelings.
jmr604 1 year ago
it doesnt question my faith in a god. I also believe I am a rational person. I would get annoyed if christians or people of any other religion was doing what you said in the video, but I get annoyed too when atheists do it and they do do it. I also find it very unfair that most atheists will whine over christianity but not any other religion. I mean Many muslims are alot more religious then christians but most athiests wont go near or question them. Imo both sides can be annoying equally.
ShadeandAngel 1 year ago
@ShadeandAngel
Well, I usually address Christianity in my videos instead of Islam because it is Christianity that is directly affecting me and mine where I live.
imrational 1 year ago
-time for hundreds of years they get angry because he was put to death and blame it on the Jews which is very unfair. In my opinion with the bible or any other scripture you can be a good honest open minded person and you can find that that is they right way to live life. And you can find the exact opisate in religious scriptures. Were you live a life of selfishness and cruelty and parts of the scriptures say it is fine to live like that. I believe in every proven scientifiic discovery and-
ShadeandAngel 1 year ago
I believe in God. Now I dont know which religion is right or if any of the teachings are right and I know many of the teachings are wrong but they applied for the time in they were written. Now with Jesus, it was self sacrifice. He did feel it was his destiny, but at the same time it is a contradiction because many christians believe that he was the messiah predicted, yet the messiah was meant to become king not be killed. And christians are happy over the sacrifice but they also at the same-
ShadeandAngel 1 year ago
I agree with you imrational, I'm currently having a pm debate with a guy, and I constantly give him evidence and arguments against his beliefs and for evolution and 'non-creation', but then he just like puts his fingers in his ears and scream BLABLABLA and gives me some kind of argument that has been debunked at least one million, and when I debunk it once again he goes BLABLABLA all over again. IT IS FKIN ANOYING! >:O
bangNL94 1 year ago
People that talk about contraversal topics must get alot of hate mail lol
Americanbloodful 1 year ago
I have asked myself maybe its me many times. But then i woke up the next day and see 90% of Christians living lives directly contradicting the bullshit they spout then i get my head straight again.
Itrainharder 1 year ago
@imrational:- You sound like the rational guy you say you're. Even when you are angry, you don't slander people who have a different opinion from yours. But there are atheists on this website that can't have a proper debate, all they do is slander.
You've your own reasons why you don't accept Christ while I have good reason to accept Him. I have questioned both science and religion and have concluded that, yes Jesus is the Saviour. We may not agree, but I appreciate u not slandering X'tians
stgl1987 1 year ago
Imrational you can be a little preachy in my opinion.
doss35 1 year ago
I tend to get angry also. It's hard not to when you are confronted with the sheer willful idiocy that they espouse.
However, I think I have the solution. It works for me, at least.
Just accept the fact that you're smarter than they are. They are NOT your peers, or your equals. Getting angry at them for their stupidity is like getting angry at a kindergartner for not being able to read.
Learn to laugh, and don't be disappointed with them. They are NOT your responsibility.
fearguis 1 year ago
atheists are denying god....before denying do you actually understand the concept of god,,
the truth is your denying the false god of false religions,,
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF TRUE GOD?
123footballers 1 year ago
You're not alone my friend
conman300 1 year ago
You preach death. I preach life. Who`s rational? I preach facts. You preach lies and twisted truths. Who`s rational.
Hsojaml 1 year ago