'Bradley effect' discussed in run-up to US vote - 18 Oct 08

[Mr40acresandamule]

It still exists. This is why Obama/Democrats pushed for early voting and getting young people to vote.

[bushputz]

Screw the Bradley Effect.

It's the Diebold Effect we have to watch out for.

[Gulfporter]

Yeah, The Bradley effect,

What do you call a bunch of deceitful black people who smile at their fellow Democrats as long as the rally is about Obama, and then vote with the Republicans against gay rights? I call them BIGOTS and ASSHOLES.

[phantomsuccour]

@Gulfporter lol actually it's well known blacks are more socially conservative than democrat whites, and it's because they are very religious. Trust me, if you had to deal with slavery and Jim Crow, you would definitely hope there was a God and heaven you could go to after the pain. Consequently they are more anti-gay than democrat whites. But hopefully education will get them to the other side.

[bravesfanforever31]

Obama got 45 percent of the white vote in Indiana. That is amazing coming from a ruby red very culturally conservative Midwestern state. Bush carried Indiana by 20 pts in 2004 Obama won 50% to 49%. Indiana is 90% white and 10% black and other races which also makes it amazing that he won their. I does also help that economy is bad and that Chicago suburbs in Indiana are there because that is what tilted Indiana to Obama.I thought he would have needed Evan Bayh as VP to get Indiana.

[knowledgemonger]

If you look at the numbers, the Bradley effect is very small. The L.A. election was largely the result of some very bad news coming out very late.

Many have argued that the real story here is an attempt to create cover story for a stolen election. If it is a cover story, it points to many people expecting that the election will be stolen. This is not good for democracy.

[danapdutcher]

I sure hope there's a Bradley effect. I can't afford to keep half my workers with what Obama proposes on taxes. I will have to lay off at least 10 people if he becomes president. I hope you people realize that before you vote for a socialist no matter what color he/she is.

[creejay]

do you even know what Obama proposes on taxes? I suspect you don't and I find it very unlikely that you would have to lay off 50% of your workforce due to his proposed changes(which are mainly related to personal taxes not corporate). And why would any American "hope" for racism/prejudice to exist in the form of the Bradley effect?

[stanleymaiden]

One thing that we have not considered is the REVERSE BRADLEY EFFECT', where people from a while dominated envirement, when asked by the likes of Fox news, are not comfortable to tell people that they are going to vote for a Black man to be there president.

[bravesfanforever31]

this reverse bradley effect was shown I believe in Indiana, North Carolina, virginia, and pennsylvania, and ohio

[dampidodamp]

Give america back to the indians and send the niggers back to Africa and the europeans back to Europe.

[prepschoolkid]

We "niggers" and europeans were born here asshole. i guess all singaporeans should go back to china, india, or malaysia if thats the case.

[dampidodamp]

Well Singapore is a land made for the chinese man.

[prepschoolkid]

No, China is a land made for the Chinese man. It is hypocritical of you to say that black and white Americans should go back to where they came from, when most people in Singapore are descended from people who were not originally from there.

[can06]

I hope McCain gets it so we all have World War 3 and the Earth can be left for the animals. Mother Nature can finally reclaim its full presence without the human element around. I hope that Haydron collider gets activated first. I want to go for a wild ride into the next dimension; yeah, fuck the election b/c science is way more interesting.

[can06]

wing667, I don't care if you resonate black, blue,orange. There are more racist republicians b/c a lot of them are stupid. My statement has nothing to do with black people. I am independent. I have a high degree in science and some life/tech skills. I know how to raise my own damn food and know how to purify rain water. People have to do away with this centralized form of living and become self sustaining. This election is a choose of the Lesser Evils to me.

[meccatomedina]

wing667, I don't care if you resonate black, blue,orange. There are more racist . I know how to raise my own damn food and know how to purify rain water. People have to do away with this centralized form of living and become self sustaining. This election is a choose of the Lesser Evils to me

Thank you, finally an intelligent human being on youtube

[maxieP]

She said Obama has been in bed with extortioners. Wow. I didn't know Obama was into organized crime.

[RiquetRudeau]

McCain is the only answer to keep America, America!

McCain 08

[benjamin1D]

Forget Bradley; imprison McCain & Obama.

[brick4sale]

The question remains how undecided those undecided really are.

[can06]

michealjackson200. That was so stupid. There are way more racist republicians than democrats. Dick Cheney, Sen. Trett Lott and that fat ass William Bennett (the one wished every minority aborted). Anyway, the polls are full of it and we will see America's true colors on election day.

[can06]

All black people had not vote democrat, because I know a few who support McCain. Electango, you should watch what you say about a group of people. The bradley effect will happen to a certain extent especially in the south. Those people down there still think they are in a Civil War. Will not be surprised if McCain wins through the race issue. Oh and voter fraud is likely.

[wing667]

im one of the black mccain supporters

[krankycool]

watch what you say about a group of people can 06

[can06]

I can say whatever goddamn thing I want kid. Freedom of speech. What are you mad about anyway? Its true about republicians being more racist. I been through the southern/conservative states for a few years. At this point of time, I am focused more on being independant. I don't have time to fight over these labels that people like to assign to each other. Talk to me when we have another civil war or when the haydron collider is activated. True peace will only come with doomsday.

[krankycool]

hypocrite, you tell one electango to watch what he/she says about a group of people than blast everyone in the south talking about we still think there is a civil war, which is imposible as this country has never had a civil war look it up high science degree life/tech skills. If you don't want to fight over labels then stop, quit using them quit acusing southern/conservatives as being racist, rebublicans as being more racist. quit using your democratic agenda labeled as independant

[can06]

Krankycool "This country has never had a civil war". What about the Civil War of the 1860s'? And its republicans not rebublicans. Are you even an US citizen? Go read an american history book.  Let me say this one more time. I don't care about this democratic administration that much except that they are putting money (whatever imaginery currency it is) into education and science. I know Obama had some crooked deals in Chicago. He is a mere puppet for corporate America.

[can06]

And tell the racist on here to quit labeling every single african american or mix blood as people from Nigeria. You have africans from ghana, sudan, and other areas in Africa. Its a two way street here. You definitely had not lived in the South. Until they quit or submit, then I will quit b/c its their little war. I doubt the South will rise again to fight another Civil War like you say. Nah it will happen when our environmental resources like water become scarce.

[krankycool]

There was never a cival war, look up the definition of a cival war, then tell me what that was that ended in 1865, I never said the south will rise again, New Hampshire got this thing started in 2009, they aren't the south, which is where I have lived all my life. Nigerian is just a less suttle way of saying canadian, besides I don't know any African-Americans, well one but she was born in Kenya, see all my friends say "I'm not an African-American, I'm from Jersey"

[can06]

A civil war can be economically one. You can't deny something that already took place. The confeds themselves will go crazy on you for that one. You don't remember when the North fought the South over the issues of industrialization and slavery. Its in the history books. I don't need to convince you when millions of others agree upon the Civil War. There are memorials for that event all over the place. Heard of the civil war reenactment? Go look up Ulysesses Grant and that crew.

[krankycool]

The War of Independance from 1861 to 1865 fought over states rights, yea I'm fimilar with that one. You obviously don't know what a cival war is, I gave you a chance to educate yourself but you didn't. You fell for his-story instead of finding out history. I'm ashamed that you don't care about this administration except for the money for education and science-(cars and houses)? what about your rights, don't you care about those? Are you an American? even a US citzen? zeitgeistist?

[can06]

So you are calling most americans dumb then. You don't call it a Civil War but most ppl do. Even your supposive freedom fighters in this country do. You just don't want to admit you're wrong and your arrogance reflects it. What does this have to do with my stand on the constitution and government control?

[can06]

Give me a good response on that one b/c I am eager to hear it from you since your actually one of the smarter ppl commenting. I had many debates with Ron Paul fans. They need to embrace his ideas on distributing currency and run for office themselves b/c the man is getting too old. Out of respect for others, please don't tell people that they need to be educated when you clearly can't use appropriate grammer. Its civil not cival.

[krankycool]

Didn;t know we were having a spelling/grammar bee, and it would be a grammAr bee not a grammEr bee. If you want to throw rocks, when you point a finger, three are pointed back. Oh, and also it is Ameriacan not like you type it with a lower case a. And you strayed from the topic long before I showed up, I'm still trying to figure out what the Higgs Boson has to do with the Bradley Effect. And I too know how to put a funnel in a bucket and drink the water while growing tomatos and peppers.

[can06]

Uh you jumped into my battle with someone else who made a racial statement. And its American not Ameriacan but you are doing better since you corrected my lazy mistakes. Don't feel like giving clear English to you b/c you can't admit you're wrong. LOL what three fingers are you referring to other than yours?

[can06]

If it takes three to point me out, then that is fine. Anyway, you didn't even answer my question. Please answer it or quiet up b/c you're boring me.

[krankycool]

I didn't jump into your battle, I just called you out on being a hypocrite. After which you proceded to attack me. So what is your question, beacuse you haven't answered any of mine, you seem to be hellbent and content on the collapse of western civilization, espacialy here in America, which coincedentaly is what obama wants, so you must be a Facist as well.

[can06]

You called me a hypocrite b/c I stand up against the racist who made a comment earlier?! I don't be pretty about it either. Who should? And you don't know me kid. Obama is a puppet for majority white corporate America. He has no voice. The rich elite wants to control everybody/everything not destroy everything. Big business, the military, and government constitute most countries. The wealthy in America definitely controls these entities. You're better off calling me an anarchist.

[can06]

A facist still wants some form of order. You just said I am hellbent on chaos. I will say that order cannot exist without chaos. The animals can manage Earth better than humans. The food chain doesn't need government regulation. Anyway, one more time...what do you think we should do about the constitution and our current form of currency? How do you plan to help? Are you going to continue to kiss up to the two party system? Other than that, this debate is getting nowhere and stale.

[krankycool]

I didn't call you a hypocrite b/c you stood up against a "racsist", I only pointed it out b/c you made a very hypocritical statment. For someone that doesn't like to fight over labels, you're quick to use them, on other people, but not on you, you hate that. As for the constitution, I notified my local politicians that we need to do what NH has done. Currency: I plan on making it, not living under the delusion I can live without it. I don't kiss up to the system, I play w/ the cards I'm delt

[can06]

Well they are some who already live without spending a dollar. They have skills that can be traded for other resources. I am sure you heard of a barter system. Native Americans lived without capitalism. I already used the money I got now for education, resources, and community development. The global banking system is flawed. We are mostly earning debt. Alternatively, I always thought about a community bank like Alaska system. Family/friends could start their own currency system.

[krankycool]

nuts

[krankycool]

Which states can leave the union, right now, no questions asked? what is 922r? how does it really change anything? what is HCR6? HR45? do you like that one? Section 441(f)(4)(A) of HR 3200? thats how I want my money robbed,how about you? So, are you an American yet?

[can06]

When one attempts to stray off into another topic in a debate, it is a sign of defeat. And for the money issue, have you heard of using one's money game against them. I will use it to buy resources and knowledge to a pt I don't need money anymore. Heard of self sustainment communities? I already know how to raise my own food. Rain water can be trapped in cisterns and be purified. You must be a Ron Paul fan. How do you plan to regulate government control other than complaining about it?

[CamiloSanchez1979]

Holy shit..the problem here is that on this election the bradley effect translates into a five letter word..Palin. I mean, that is basically doomsday.

[electango]

The Bradley Effect is a lie. The polls were wrong and instead of blaming themselves for being wrong, the pollsters blame the people they polled. It's a poor carpenter who blames his own tools.

[Ian7570]

1. Bradley Effect

2. Republican Electoral Fraud

I think Obama is in trouble and president Palin could be a real possibility.

[michaeljackson200]

Do I think the Bradley Effect is going to harm Obama? Yes. Is there such as Republican Electoral Fraud? No. Bush won both times, Gore tried to cheat in 2000 and although Kerry conceded in 2004, the democrats tried to cheat in Ohio. Obama is probably going to lose and one reason that the Bradley Effect is going to harm him is because racsism comes from the Democratic Party, not the Republican Party.

[mabusisamongstus]

And before someone says they are ex-cons and can't vote, here's an insight for you. They all showed me their voter registration cards they received by registering to vote through ACORN.

[mabusisamongstus]

I met 12 black Atlantic City janitors today. All are ex-cons. NONE OF THEM are voting for Barack Obama. Their reason, I'll quote Marcus: "It's not that he's not black enough, or that he is half white, or that he is a democrat. But we all noticed our lives turned around when we became republicans and started making an honest living and got off the government welfare rolls." The others nodded and said "Amen brother Amen".

Obama is barely holding on to NJ. Don't let the polls fool you.

[gjohnson87109]

mabusis: You are propagating lies. 12 convicted felons cannot vote in New Jersey. Go preach that shit to the uninformed and ignorant.

[jabzulani]

People will always have racist tendencies in the USA, its a country founded on that belief, and you can say what you will about their free constitution, but the country still has many pockets of voters that are largely uneducated, and they are thinking that Obama is going to reverse slavery, take revenge for the injustices of before, Its just bull shit. USA for all its glory is backward.

[Mxyzptlk562]

Racism is not unique to the USA. And even though the a country with a declaration that says "all men are created equal" has a lot to answer to for not always living up to that principle, I really cannot think of another country on this planet that at least has come as close as the USA about have a frank and honest discussion about race and prejudice. I have traveled a lot and there are so many places that just sweep the whole discussion right under the carpet.

[AiresQX4]

I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries because he has a perfect record of voting exactly what he preaches which is the Constitution,a Gold backed currency that wouldn't continue to devalue and eventual become worthless like the Dollar is becoming

and FREEDOM!! Real FREEDOM! Not the so called "Democracy" kind that withers into a fuckin Empire,Dictatorship!! If Obama stood for the same values and was able to back his record up with a solid voting history then I would have voted for him!!

[K1dCharlemagne]

Aires,true freedom is anarchy. Fine with me. Paul's ideas might work if we started from scratch with everyone at 0 and he could shit $10 trillion worth of gold bricks on the White House lawn... but to try it as is would only mean billionaires would become trillionaires and folks like you would starve. Individual freedom is good, but when the abuse of freedom by the powerful few negatively affects the opportunities of the many...that's wrong. Also bad for economic growth. Therefore, democracy.

[test6]

I think the Bradley effect is less than it was. But it's hard to tell. I guess we will see the answer by looking at polls just before the election and then seeing the results. I hope that effect doesn't come in.

[AiresQX4]

What about the huge amount of Black people voting for Obama simply because he's Black? Whats the name of this "Effect"?

[laya4life]

the issue is not why people are voting for someone but rather why they won't vote for someone. no one is not voting fot mccain because he's white

[chiseller]

Black people tend to vote for democrats. That's why Clinton inofficially was called the first black president.

[monkeyman1140]

Black people vote in there interests. The GOP has nothing to offer to black people.

[electango]

Blacks all vote Democratic so the Dems take them for granted. The Dems have done nothing for Blacks. If a much higher percentage of Blacks voted GOP then both parties would go out of their way to compete in offering more to Blacks. As it is now both parties ignore Blacks and instead compete for Hispanic, White, and Asian votes. Obama won't change this at all. He too will take Blacks for granted and do nothing for them like a typical Democrat.

[wing667]

the dems have nothing to offer u.. your to stupid to realize that

[tellitlikeitis509]

and why do u want to vote for mccain again?

[HaloedG]

That don't make him Black...

[wing667]

I hear you on that one.. Im a black mccain supporter

[Joe40oz]

There is nothing wrong with voting for your race, whether you are black, white...vote for your race if that is what you are comfortable with.

There is no shame in it.

[chiseller]

There is.

You judge a person for what he stands for, what defines him, not for his appearance.

[Joe40oz]

It has nothing to do with what somebody "looks " like...that's very narrow-minded of you...what I was referring to was racial identity...be it white, black, whatever...if a person feels that an individual of their own racial or ethnic group serves them better then there is nothing to be ashamed of...we are not social Marxists...it's called freedom of choice and if that choice is a racial one then it's a choice nonetheless, and it is not up to you or me to judge...

[chiseller]

Ok, I see, you are even dumber than I initially thought.

Brining up Marxism and freedom of speech, while it's an issue of ethics.

I won't bother with you, don't worry.

[Joe40oz]

I never said freedom of speech, I said freedom of CHOICE.

I never said Marxism, I said specifically SOCIAL Marxism...the two are separate and one of them is not related to Communism...you do know what social means don't you?...obviously not...

Ethics are a personal thing, you cannot judge others based on your own ethics...no...race is a personal thing and it is not up to you.

The fact that you call me dumb for talking about something you clearly know nothing about only shows your own idiocy.

[Joe40oz]

No, it has nothing to do with ethics.

People not only vote on political policy, but on who they can relate to. Human beings of whatever race are instinctively racially tribal, for good or ill...nothing you say or do is going to change that.

[gregwi562]

You are correct to an extent. However, not everyone votes in that manner. There are educated and enlighten people out there who do vote based on there best interest rather than they fears and prejudices.

[HomoGeneyes]

DEAR BRADLEY EFFECT SPIES monitoring the halls of youtube.

AMERICANS are wanting a CHANGE from the GOP and a CHANGE they have VOTED.

GOOGLE THEREALMcCAIN.dotCOM

[persona19]

9/11 was an inside job. The war on terror is a sham.

[Gutsyndicate]

Do we live in a dictatorship? why will you hide who you want to vote?

Only a hypocrite will say one thing and do another, and that is a shame!

[persona19]

9/11 was an inside job. The war on terror is a sham.

[swaimb]

thanks for repeating that. I believe it to be true as well.

[wing667]

my friend lost her father on that day. don't tell me 9/11 was a inside job u asshole.

[HomoGeneyes]

GUTS.....if I understand your words.....I'd have to say you have a big problem with the gop administration....see what you just described ............

white guilt = FEMALE affirmative action candidate

The notion that the days of right-wing dominance of the airwaves may well be numbered is rapidly becoming a reality.

white guilt = FEMALE affirmative action candidate

The notion that the days of right-wing dominance of the airwaves may well be numbered is rapidly becoming a reality.

[chiseller]

What I don't understand about the Bradley effect is, why would have anyone hid their vote when asked? I mean they didn't need to tell their racist, they may have had other reasons not to vote for him?

[MustafaPresents]

Well I actually voted for Bradley here in California in '82. Bradley wasn't exactly the strongest candidate, unlike Obama who is if anything a master politician.

[cocogrrl]

I don't think only whites will say one thing and do another. There's blacks and others who might do the same thing. Yes, there are blacks and other non-whites who don't believe a black person could be at the highest position in the U.S. To think that the Bradley Effect doesn't exist or has lessened is naive to me. The American people still have unresolved racial issues.

[LegendSaber]

I imagine the Bradley effect still exists somewhat, but isn't nearly as prominent as it might have once been. The United States has changed a lot since 1982. Racism is still abound, of course, but not nearly to the extent it was then.

[aknightofswords]

WTF? I went to high school with the guy in the overalls... in Florida.

[chillychilll]

interesting. thanks