Go to 1:11 (frame 303)...Connally is obviously already hit - he was hit around Z296 as he's turning his head back to the left (AS HE TESTIFIED)! That was the FIRST of the BANG-BANG shots - the LAST of the two was the head shot. If what I say is NOT true, then answer "Why is Connally falling into his wife's lap?". Since he said he noticed NOTHING WRONG UNTIL HE WAS HIT, why would a governor suddenly fall into his wife's lap? Obviously he was hit & falling ("buckled over" = his body flinching).
@SCGATOR2001 The two ladies are proportional and NOT larger than Jack and Jackie...compare head sizes, not body sizes (as J & J and not standing up). The heads of J & J are about 50% larger than the two ladies in the infield area. Zapruder may have been using a telephoto lens, rather than a "normal" lens (I think his dual-eight camera had the rotating lenses). It's nonsense to think ONE copy of the film was altered, when there were several...that would have been a bad cover up plan.
Notice the differences of testimony between this film and the one titled "Beyond Conspiracy" This film actually has Connally being interviewed and telling what he did and when he did it while the "Beyond Conspiracy" film just shows the animator stating what Connaly said and creating a point where he believes that Connaly was speaking of. Connaly said "I immediately reacted by turning to look over my right shoulder" "Beyond Conspiracy" says he said he immideately turned to his right.
BEYOND CONSPIRACY has one purpose and that is to explain there were 3 shots fired by one man. Witnesses like Connally say it didn't happen that way even though both Nellie and John were not helpful describing the shot number. But both were consistent when they described JFK reaction to a shot, John's turn and then several seconds later a shot to Connally's back.
See my film TWILIGHT ZONE where I show you the SBT was impossible then I show that the last 2 shots were BANG-BANG!
One of the players didn't die until 2001 -- Cord Meyer. When asked who killed his ex-wife Mary (who was having an affair with JFK), Meyer, who was 81 and dying of lymphoma in a nursing home, reportedly said, "The same SOBs who killed JFK." Sounds like he was admitting that he, Allan Dulles, Hoover, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Specter......
Look at my video TWILIGHT ZONE, it makes fun of the Guberment story. One Documentary BEYOND THE MAGIC BULLET actually SHOWED THAT THE MAGIC BULLET WAS IMPOSSIBLE for what we know now (bullet exited JFK's chest NOT his neck!).
In that video I show that Connally was shot in the back a split second after JFK was shot in the head. There is overwhelming proof that the last two shots were fired BANG-BANG, understand this and you are on your way to finally making sense of all the lies.
If you look at the video you'll see that I tie the Zapruder film to the only audio recording made during the assassination. Audio experts said that the recording captured the sounds of the shots with a 95% probability OR BETTER. Others said NO they didn't.
WHO IS RIGHT? Turns out the other reviewers did NOT evaluate the recording like the experts did, they found an artifact and concluded it was invalid.
I show with 4.8 sec and 0.7 sec between three shots that it did!
Check out your video at 5:14. Blood can already be seen pooling on his jacket, right by his armpit, exactly where Connally had been shot. If you were to go close in on that spot and run the film in slo-mo, you would see the pool of blood widening.
Do you believe that there were five shots or just three? Everyone who was there seems to agree on hearing just three shots. Why hasn't anyone said anything about five shots or more than three?
There were FIVE shots that were detected by the acoustic evidence. Do you believe that 4.8 seconds and 0.7 seconds could be on two independent ways to measure the shot spacing if both didn't actually detect the shots?
Not everyone said three shots but if you listen to the description of some who heard three shots you'll find they said a shot, then a pause and then two shots almost on top of each other.
Many other witnesses said the shots were about equally spaced
People did report more than three shots. Their testimony just didn't happen to make it into the Warren Commission report. As for those who only heard three? They probably started counting after they realized it was gunfire (meaning, the first shot probably didn't even register in their minds); plus, the "third" shot was two shots fired virtually on top of each other, which likely counted as one shot, not two, in a lot of people's minds.
The ppl who could of possibly done it , LBJ & Hoover (JEH , more powerful of the 2) are long gone .
LBJ inherited a big mess caused by JFK which cut 10 yrs off his life . JFK in frustration wanted to "Give this damned job to Nixon" (Who was much more qualified than JFK) and as a toot to boot LHO would of shot all 3 because his marxism was akin to the criminal community of researchers today who hate JFK so much they'd stoop to incriminate the innocent in order to exonerate a guilty LHO .
Let everyone know who was behind all this and then hold a vote on what to do with them. There can't be too many people left who believe there was one disenchanted American guy with a magic bullet that did this. The fact that the subsequent coverup continues to this day shows those behind it are still in power.
The major players were dead by 1978 when the HSCA found the acoustic evidence. By that time the executive branch of the US Gov't had made fools of everybody else, do you think that the powers to be were going to let YOU know that?
When a President screws up really bad, the guys you only suspect exist come up to make everything OK. In LBJ's case, they came up with fools who put their name on the bottom line for silly reasons such as "hold it here."
In 1975 the congressinal investiagation concluded that Kennedy threw his brains backward due to a "neuro muscular reaction" Dan Rather has always been an advocate of the lone assassin Oswald theory. He did severall documetaries "proving it" Rather deserved what he got.
The HSCA was actually 1978 and it did conclude one shooter, three shots until the acoustic evidence was presented. They closed out with a shot from the grassy knoll. Then the Justice Dept etc. said no, the audio recording did not record shot sounds.
I've shown in RATHER'S QUESTION with 4.8 seconds & 0.7 seconds being common to both the Z film and the audio recording that the police radio captured the sounds of shots, once we know that we've proven conspiracy, now WHO and WHY?
Arlen Specter the man behind the fiction of the 'single bullet theory' defected from the Republicans to the Democrats. What payback is Obama going to ask of Specter? What else is Specter prepared to 'give up'? Recant the fiction of the 'single bullet theory'? The JFK assassination conspiracy is about to be blown apart! Keep tuned to CNN and other national and international news agencies in the next few weeks. Watch this space and remember you heard it here FIRST!!
You lookin for another asshole cut in your belly, boy? So you kin talk outa that one, too? Huh? cdddraftsman boy. You done gone took a wrong turn on the river, boy! Ah ain't no hillbilly and your gonna squeal like a pig when me and my little brother Jethro get a hold o' you, boy! Now squeal,boy! I said squeal boy! Squeal!
Oswald was a pawn, agreed. I don't agree that JFK was shot because he was addressing the FED RESERVE SCAM. The Warren Commission was wrong, this film PROVES they got it wrong.
There is no need to shoot watermelons or whatever, the acoustic evidence tells us WHERE the shooters were. The lies were good but now there's proof the gov't lied.
Watch the Z film right after his head uh, explodes... and watch the trunk of the car, you see his brain/skull slide across it with pretty good speed, so ....
If it was just Oswald up in the 6th floor, and it was just the one bullet that went through his head and into Conolly....
Why the hell did the brain/skull go backwards?? Shouldn't it have gone in the direction of the bullet?? FORWARDS?? The head shot was from the front.
WATCH THE FILM. Although I don't say it, this video essentially ANSWERS many of the previously unanswerable questions.
The 4.8 seconds and 0.7 seconds in both the Zapruder film AND the acoustic evidence confirms that the acoustic evidence did detect the shots. Now we know there were at least FIVE shots and we know WHERE the shots were fired from.
The shot that hit JFK in the head was fired from the right front of the car! That's WHY the head framents went BACK!
it is a medical fact that the bodies nerves react later than the actual damage. If you know what i'm saying. It is like as when you burn your hand on the oven, the pain (and the body reaction) will be felt fractions of a second later. that might explain Conollys "late" reaction and why he is still holding his hat tho his hand was already hit.
It MIGHT explain Connally's late reaction but when you look at the police recording evidence AND you look at the film, you see that these things happened at the same time when you CORRECTLY CORRELATE the acoustic information to the film.
Connally may have fallen over later due to the nerve delay reaction you mention but the acoustic evidence PROVES that is not true.
It's no longer necessary to guess, the acoustics analysis PROVES that there was a conspiracy.
Oswald: (as a recent marine defected to the USSR at the height of the cold war): "I intend to share any secrets on US radar operation I can with the Soviets." "I am willing to kill US soldiers." Shutter: (Sweetly, honestly, and innocently) "I don't see anything Oswald did that could be described as treason." I think that says enough about sincerity of input.
You can generally judge seriousness of input by content. Shutter, your 'credibility' tack on the asylum visit by Shaw and Oswald smacks of non-denial denial. Oswald's unpunished treason to the Soviet Union is proof enough for most wise people.
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"Non-denial denial?" OK, then let me be more emphatic: I DO NOT BELIEVE THE CLINTON/JACKSON WITNESSES ONE BIT. I merely acknowledged that a certain government panel (namely, the HSCA) found some credibility in their tesimony. The HSCA, as I'm sure you'll readily stipulate, was fallible.
For what it's worth, a jury of 12 in New Orleans, 1969 agreed with me.
Trivia: Oswald's (provable) actions in the Soviet Union did not constitute treason at any time. Why should he be punished?
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Addendum: OK, re-reading what I wrote, I realize that Shaw's acquittal does not neccessarily require the jury's non-belief of the Clinton witnesses. But since eyewitness credibility is all about personal decision, I'll say this much: Irvin Dymond did a more than adequate job of destroying their credibility, in my opinion.
I think Shaw was witnessed driving Oswald to get a job at an asylum in Louisiana. The mafia connection sounds like a good way to pass CIA involvement off onto likely suspects. Trust me, CIA would be well aware of what the mob was doing, especially if it involved the killing of a president. They couldn't operate at that broad a level with plans in many different cities without tripping off FBI detection because of the amount of exposure and networking. There was no time or way to alter Zapruder.
"I think Shaw was witnessed driving Oswald to get a job at an asylum in Louisiana."
Tread VERY carefully any time you attempt to use part of Garrison's investigation to bolster your viewpoint. There is essentially ZERO reliable evidence to place Shaw or Oswald in Jackson (or Clinton) LA in 1963, and on the other hand, some VERY credible evidence to the contrary. The movements of both were meticulously studied during the trial, and believing the Clinton witnesses requires a huge leap of faith.
Again, it's a matter of credibility. The HSCA was not privvy to much of the contents of Garrison's investigation, which has since cast grave doubts on the Clinton/Jackson witnesses' testimony. It's highly inconsistent at best, and much of it is demonstrably perjurous.
If you study the history of the Zapruder film it wasn't out of anyone's possession long enough to be altered. Zapruder held on to it and even accompanied it to Kodak to be developed. A separate copy was kept safely away and hidden after many other copies were made. This original stored copy has been checked and compared to the other copies and they match perfectly. If you review its possession there wasn't the time to do any alterations, especially with the technology of the time. Read on this.
LIAR BRENNAN, Pt. 1: The WC's prime "Oswald did it" eyewitness, Howard Brennan, gave such vague and contradictory testimony that the Report itself states that the WC did not use it as a prime source for its conclusions. Additionally, Brennan's position, as shown in re-enactment photographs, does not reflect where he actually was, nor where he was actually looking at the time of the shots.
Well shit, how about since (as you say) the WC didn't use Brennan as a primary source, and since you've obviously got major issues with his (in my opinion, HIGHLY CREDIBLE) testimony, how's about we erase him alltogether.
Now, what eyewitnesses to a grassy knoll shooter do you want to offer by way of rebuttal? (or other shooters, period?) Or, are you simply saying "I don't care who it was, you can't prove it was Oswald"
Please indulge me. Are you willing to endorse ANY actual theory here?
But OK, at least now I know where you're coming from. It's just a matter of getting you to understand the 2-dozen or so other "false confessions" and bogus theories, and realizing that this is just another "attempt to sell books" theory. (keep in mind I have no delusions of actually accomplishing this)
JFK assassination theories 2-999 have proved bogus, but theory #1,000 is real, folks! We really mean it this time!
VinnyVoom444 sez that the theory he endorses can be found at:
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A site devoted to...guess who? James Files! I can hear an audible groan from the crowd.
For those unfamiliar, I encourage you to investigate the saga of James Files (currently in prison for killing a police officer)
Perhaps Vinny can explain how FIles has been PROVEN to be in Chicago on 11/22/63, or why the details of the assassination were apparently not planned until THAT MORNING?
Silly, that was his unknown twin brother witnessing the birth of James' daughter! James was busy ordering some flapjacks and planning an assassination that morning.
Apparently Files is alive and (un)well. Though he's apparently since murdered his twin brother.
Imagine all the poor dopes who've hitched their wagon to this kook.
What a goof-ball I am! I completely forgot all about the twin brother ... right!
So that means he really WAS at the diner eating flappity jacks, hatching unholy plots with covert, Black-Ops Secret Government Agents, bent on World Domination & Destroying our Very Way of Life!
Ahh, to be 21 again, in Dallas on that sunny Friday morning.
On that note, any updates on operation DD/LAPDANCE for the "company" picnic this weekend? I'm supposed to be in charge of entertainment, but Jada is long dead, BABUSHKA has had a change of heart, and we're running dangerously low on "ASSets" in that area. If things keep up, we're gonna be left watching Posner and Bugliosi doing table dances. Unacceptable!
I was thinking, maybe we could get Beverly Oliver to shake a few tailfeathers -- just like old times.
If all else fails, there's still that hot little blonde from Human Resources I was telling you about. The one with the Jalepeno Rolaids in all the right places?
She's all over a good time. She'll get Bugliosi up on the bar with a lampshade on his head!
Don't forget your harmonica for this! Marina misses you!
Beverly Oliver? HELLO!?!?! I already ruled out BABUSHKA (please use approved titles where applicable) since she's some kind of "karaoke singer for god" now.
Yes, my Hohner has been honed (though the key modulator seems to be sticking, no doubt an artifact from last year's "unfortunate incident") I'll do my best to reenact the "Turkey in the Straw" routine from '96 - '06 though. It's a tradition!
P.S. CI/MERLING may know too much. Use discretion.
"The hospital records where his daughter was born. (I figured that was implied)"
See how it works YouTubers? "Implied" evidence and supposition is good enough to dismiss testimony and credibility when the hypocritical Lone Nut Sheeple Squad needs to do so, yet only hard evidence and "official" government documents can be used to prove conspiracy. Of course SB won't acknowledge this official FBI report which also backs File's story....
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The evidence is not "implied." What was implied was that you knew what we meant when we said there was incontrovertible evidence of Files having been in Chigago on 11/22-63.
LIAR BRENNAN, Pt. 2: The Zapruder film clearly shows him in a totally different position than that relayed by both his testimony and government re-creations.FBI and other government investigators obviously would have seen this also. Why then were the KNOWN erroneous re-enactment photographs of Brennan still included in the evidence, other than to artificially and wrongly make the case against the lone gunman appear stronger?
This is where StutterBun moves the goal posts again.
Hey numbnuts, the Zapruder film was ALTERED! Didn't you know that? The conspirators deliberately moved Brennan's location so he couldn't make a positive ID of Oswald. Sheesh, keep believing the government lies, why dontcha.
How many shots do you think were fired? If there were more than three why did everyone only hear three. When on the Zapruder tape were the first two shots fired? Clint Hill said that he heard three shots. If you think there were five shots then the Secret Service sat there for two shots before reacting to the third. i have a hard time buying that.
You don't seem to understand that "Bang-Bang", even if accurate, doesn't cancel or nullify the necessity for establishing a path for the 224 Connally leg hit for which he is seen reacting in Zapruder. You can't have Connally hit in the leg at this point unless you can show a valid shot. Unfortunately, this gives creedence to the single bullet theory by default.
Ah, as long as no one can account for Connally wincing at and after 224 then the 235 back shot claim is dubious. Charleston says Connally was hit in the leg and that's why he winced, but the bullet would have to go through either car or body to get to Connally's leg - so unless you can show a path for the 224 leg hit it leaves open the possibility of a single bullet at 223-224. If you don't account for this you surrender your theory.
I keep telling you BANG-BANG, the last two shots is not a theory, it's a fact.
If you'd TALK to the self appointed media blessed experts, you'd find out WHY they ruled out a shot to Connally after JFK's head shot. They ALL accept one assumption as valid that's simply BS.
Apparently you haven't figured it out yet but you are thinking.
You can't explain 4.8 seconds and 0.7 seconds being common to BOTH the Z film & Audio recording. That is sufficient to prove the shots were recorded.
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Sorry, I didn't want to get into the validity of the acoustic evidence with you, but if you want your theory taken seriously at all, it would serve you well to distance yourself from such hogwash.
And if your next video purports to prove the Zapruder film was altered in some way, it would behoove you NOT to use it as evidence in this theory. If you are impeaching evidence, the WHOLE THING has got to be thrown out.
There's a huge elephant here that isn't being recognized. Since Connally is obviously wincing in pain at 224-on he has to be hit. If you are claiming he's hit in the leg you have to show a path for that shot. Because of the position of Connally's leg any leg hit would have to pass through either body or car. Until you show this path you have negated your own theory.
In reading your vid-comments over on the right I cannot fail to ask 1 or 2 questions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are your ideas based solely upon the acoustic evidence?
May I ask where/how this recording was obtained?
Where on the Knoll was this shooter?
JBC leans forward at Z-235 along with most everyone else in the car. Were they all shot too?
I'm always looking for fresh points of view in this case as it has gotten a bit stale after my 35 years of study. Please enlighten me.
The shooting sounds were captured by a stuck open microphone that was recording both before the shots were fired and after. There is a huge controversy over this recording, many say it did not capture the sounds of the shots being fired. Those other "experts" are NOT experts, simply PhD's showing that people analyzing information out of their expertise are fools.
With 4.8 and 0.7 seconds between shots in both the audio recording and the Zapruder film, we have proof sounds were recorded
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If you're so inclined to disregard "experts" and "PhD's...out of their field," how about the conclusions of Steve Barber, a layman who was the first to point out the "Hold everything secure" crosstalk, which essentially destroyed the credibility of the acoustic evidence?
His (totally independent) findings were later verified by the National Academy of Sciences, a body whose credentials I DEFY you to impugn. They further went on to trash pretty much the entire basis of the acoustic evidence.
It is important to learn from where and when this recording was made.
This stuck-open mic was on a Police motorcycle traveling a mile away from Dealy Plaza on its way to the TradeMart. The sound was radio transmitted to "HQ" & recorded onto a magnetic wire-spool. This 1935 technology was archaic even in '63 & the spools weren't processed for years.
So, the recording is made at least a mile away, on a Harley going 50/60 mph, 2 mins after the shooting.
When YOU understand HOW ECHO CORRELATION ANALYSIS is done, that will prove it to U.
There were 26 echoes on the recording from the grassy knoll shot, TWENTY-SIX. They were UNIQUELY spaced as they could only be IF they were fired from the grassy knoll.
When test shots were fired from the grassy knoll, the spacing AND the number of shots matched PROVING that the 4th shot, the one that hit JFK in the head, came from the Grassy Knoll!
5th shot came form the TSBD & hit Connally in the back.
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Does it bother you that Connally was adamant in his Warren Commission testimony that he distinctly heard a shot AFTER he was shot, and that he very clearly describes it as the head shot? He also makes it clear that Nellie pulls him into her lap AFTER he was hit. Is it possible you are placing too much emphasis on a few vague areas of testimony which might happen to coincide with your interpretation of the (altered?) Zapruder film, and bogus acoustic evidence?
"Too much emphasis on a few vague areas of testimony"
Vague testimony? Like John Connally who was adamant that he was hit turning back to his left, Nellie Connally who was next to him in the limo and doesn't buy the SBT or the Warren Commission's fairy tale, or Lee Bowers (and others) who heard the last 2 shots on top of each other?
The only thing vague is your attempt to hide under many sock puppet aliases here and your desperate need to propagate "official" government lies.
If the recording recored 3 shots why didn't it record the fourth,or fifth? Everyone wittnessing the assasasination said they heard three shots not 4-5.
I show 3 persons who said THREE SHOTS but they say the last two shots were fired BANG-BANG. It's easy to find people who said THREE EQUALLY spaced shots, BANG-BANG-BANG, each several secs apart. These were the people close to the TSBD. Put those people together and you get #1BANG-Several seconds-#2BANG-Several Seconds-#3BANG-#4BANG,
#3 and #4 were fired within a split second of each other and that's what the HSCA acoustic experts said happened, shots 1 2 4 from TSBD, #3 from grassy knoll.
Not to throw cold water on your theory, but Connally's head lurches forward at 325 because Greer hit the brakes. Kellerman's head does the EXACT same movement, in sync with Connally (his head practically hits the frame of the windshield!)
What was said was the probability is 95% or better that a shot was fired from the grassy knoll. That translates to 20 to 1 at 95% but actually better makes that higher, a lot higher.
The grassy knoll shot AND test shot both had 26 reflections shown (echoes). The probability of that happening is more like 100,000 to one (random noise causing that pattern). Add in 4 more shots with the right echo pattern and you are well over a million to one.
No, what the acoustic experts said is that "they are 95% certain that the impulses on the dictabelt represented gunshots, and not just random noise." If you want to continue to rely on "evidence" which has since been thoroughly denounced by the scientific community, then go ahead and "HOLD EVERYTHING SECURE" for now. (wink wink!)
And because Connally was limp and in the process of passing-out he snapped forward faster with the brake action. This theory is very difficult because Connally is obviously in pain prior to this 235 shot. He also viewed the Zapruder film and did not point out that moment as when he was shot. A baseball-sized wound would make a lapel flap out, wouldn't it?
Indeed. This theory is an example of trying to fit 2 pieces of contrary evidence together. There are 2 mistaken assumptions at work here:
1. that the Dallas police dictabelt recorded gunshots in Dealey Plaza. (it did not, and there are MOUNTAINS of evidence backing me up here)
2. that bullets from high powered rifles can "push" bodies around as they pass through them. This is a result of too many war movies and video games. Bullets don't work that way, though it's tough to convince people.
This video concisely proves what disinformation trolls like ShutterBun won't admit. The eyewitness testimony contradicts the fairy tale of the WC, which is why it wasn't used. He needs to believe in illegitimate authority instead of the people actually in the limo, or eyewitnesses feet away from it.
Hey asshole, what are the odds the acoustic evidence matches the shots by coincidence?
jfkmurdersolved . com
CASE CLOSED.
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Without going into the fact that the acoutsic evidence, as presented to the HSCA has since been soundly refuted by several reputable sources, I'll answer your question. As presented by Weiss and Aschkenasy to the HSCA, they stated that there was a 5% that they were monitoring "random noise."
If you simply want to compare eyewitness accounts, I'll point out that only 4 out of 150+ witnesses heard shots from 2 directions, and the vast majority only heard 3 shots total, all from the TSBD.
"I'll point out that only 4 out of 150+ witnesses heard shots from 2 directions"
FACT: Of the 104 earwitness reports published by the Commission and elsewhere, 56 recorded testimony to the effect that they heard shots from the direction of the Depository to the rear of the President, 35 recorded testimony of shots from the direction of the knoll or the triple underpass to the right or front of the President.
Seriously, do you really think anyone is buying your bullshit?
Do you even realize the point you're trying to make? Even with your generous ratio of 56 TSBD witnesses, and 35 Grassy Knoll witnesses, only FOUR people total heard shots from TWO DIRECTIONS. Thus, there is hardly ANY earwitness corroboration for the "Acoustic evidence" which is at the very heart of the theory presented in this video! Please graduate from something other than refrigerator maintenance school before engaging in this sort of debate.
"WHO GIVES A FUCK how many heard from 2 directions?"
Well, this whole video relies on both earwitnesses, and the "acoustic evidence." The acoustic evidence states EMPHATICALLY that the shots came from 2 different directions, yet VERY FEW earwitnesses agree with this. In fact, only ONE earwitness gave testimony that would agree with the acoustic evidence. Shall we throw out everyone else's testimony, based on this bogus recording?
How could the police think the assassin fled over the railroad tracks? Gee, that's a helluva jump down from the 6th floor of the TSBD, where all the shots came from, right dumbass?
Face it, you are a gutless, lying disinformation agent troll who is in complete denial. Look in the mirror and wave to cdthimbleprick for us, you pathetic steaming pile of shit.
What part of "WHO GIVES A FUCK" about how many people heard shots two different directions don't you understand?
READ CAREFULLY ---> Two shots in rapid succession = 2 DIFFERENT WEAPONS = more than one shooter = CONSPIRACY = your lone nut fairy tale is just that. Got that you pathetic delusional shill?
Yeah, but the only source for these "2 shots in rapid succession" is the roundly rebuked "acoustic evidence" and an extremely unlikely interpretation of the Z-film.
WHERE the shots came from is just as important as how many, and how far apart.
And you yourself were the one who introduced eyewitness testimony as "proof" of a grassy knoll shooter.
Bowers? Seriously? That's your rebuttal? The guy didn't see shit, and only vaguely associated the sounds of the gunfire as coming from either the TSBD or the Triple Underpass (per his sworn WC testimony). Please try again, and do specify what witnesses you're quoting.
By the way, you're going right back into "quoting eyewitness testimony" which, if we take them all at their word, can't POSSIBLY all be correct. I thought you said earwitness testimony fell into the "who gives a fuck" category?
Of course not. The only witnesses that can be believed are the ones who heard shots from the TSBD, or can see through walls at 100 yards like Howard "X-Ray Vision" Brennan, right you delusional dumbass?
Fact is if only ONE of the knoll shot witnesses or rapid succession shot witnesses is right, YOU'RE WRONG, and the WCR is a fable.
Brennan was about 100 feet directly across from the TSBD & 60 feet below the window. How is this "300 yards"? From his vantage point he was looking straight at whomever was in that window.
Here I disagree with Shutter, re: Bowers, in that it's his hearing I question - not his eyes. He was only vaguely aware of the JFK parade and wasn't listening closely. But upon hearing something he Did turn to see a lot attendant and a bystander by the overpass. (If memory serves)
"...can see through walls at 100 yards like Howard "X-Ray Vision" Brennan"
Now, where in that statement did I write "300 yards"? You might want to get your facts straight before you start calling someone else out on there's, mmmmmkay?
Wow, so now you are disregarding 10Feanor's (almost immediate) correction of his typo?
You certainly do suck a particular kind of ass at debating. I'd be tempted to cut you off at the knees, but as you're such an effective "poster boy for the opposition" I'm content to let you wallow.
Challenge: find someone with worthwhile credentials willing to take your side completely. No time limit.
Umm, if you're going by what Bowers "heard," then you're relegated to either the triple underpass tunnel, or the TSBD. His statements about seeing "smoke or a flash of light" didn't come about until Mark "I worked for Rev. Jim Jones" Lane coaxed it out of him a few years later. And if you've visted Dealey Plaza, I'm sure you'd agree that Bowers' tower is a TERRIBLE location from which to hear anything.
Common sense wins., which means YOU LOSE. Again, ALL the witnesses that heard a shot from the knoll and/or shots in rapid succession must be wrong for you to be right. Now, answer the simple question... how likely is that?
Your grasp of logic and statistics has left me vanquished.
I love your idea that you need only prove ONE of "my" witnesses wrong to be vindicated, but that it's somehow both necessary and "unlikely" that I prove ALL of "your" witnesses to be wrong.
Just to simplify things a bit: YES, I BELIEVE THAT ANYONE WHO HEARD SHOTS FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL WERE MISTAKEN.
Keep in mind, it's not just ME that's saying they're wrong. It's the MAJORITY of other witnesses who heard only shots from the TSBD.
How many drugs are you on? Where did I say I proving ONE of your witnesses wrong vindicates me? You're so busy spreading your disinformation bullshit here under your many sock puppet aliases that you can't even keep your lies straight.
So, your crusade against Howard Brennan was merely a "chipping away" at the eyewitness testimony? Seems to me that you've made quite a big stink over discrediting him, though you're ready to accept the grassy knoll witnesses at their word.
You also made it clear that you're only required to prove ONE grassy knoll witness correct, which imposes a burden of proving ALL of my witnesses correct (since they disagree with yours) Remember: only 4 witnesses heard shots from 2 directions.
Hey dumbass, HSCA council Robert Tannenbaum didn't believe Brennan's lying bullshit either. He also wasn't happy about what "official" facts he was presented with either.
watch?v=qd6WDd0kUPo
Of course he's on your list of people without worthwhile credentials, right?
I don't see anything in that video indicating that Tannenbaum disbelieved Brennan. But would you be comfortable with me providing a list of facts that the committe of which he was a part (the HSCA) *did* believe? And by all means, feel free to question Brennan's integrity. At no point has my case hinged on his testimony, to be honest.
Frankly, Tannenbaum's whole demeanor, to me, appears to be questionable. He claimed to have seen photos of LHO, Shaw, and Ferrie together, fer chrissakes.
Indeed. Your LNSS posterchild Posner somehow couldn't find the evidence of LHO & Ferrie together. Too bad it was in fact produced by PBS Frontline with INDISPUTABLE evidence...
watch?v=6M9ff6FK-CM
Ooops! I'm tired of educating you. (re: The "monkey "and the "football") Get a clue and get back to me when you have something worthwhile to say. Until then let the adults discuss the JFK matter.
Sad face by ShutterBun The LNSS Shill here --> :-(
I have a feeling I know what photo you're linking to, and without checking, I'll just ask: where is SHAW in that photo? (quick guess: nowhere)
But hey, I'm convinced. Now let's see how many other people Oswald was photographed within EIGHT YEARS of the assassination, and see how we can tie them into it.
Has anyone ever investigated that couple who snapped a picture of him in Minsk? Let's bring them in...
Gotta love ya, Vinny. I ask for a picture of Shaw, Oswald, and Ferrie together, and you think you're "educating" me by showing a well-known picture from Frontline, taken when Oswald was a teenager. Don't tell me: next you'll present the photos of Clay Shaw at a Mardi Gras party with someone who "looks like Ferrie" (but who isn't)
That you're willing to support an investigation that virtually ALL conspiracy researchers have disavowed only shows the depths some are willing to sink to.
You're wallowing in the mud with pigs. Nothing any witness says is sufficient to prove anything. The way to get out of the mud and to speak of truth, not guesses, not theories but FACTS is to understand the time spacing of the last three shots was measured by two INDEPENDENT means, the Zapruder film AND the only sound recording.
Showing that is consistent with what some witnesses heard is also relevant as it seals the deal.
Connally was hit in the back at Z325 (a split second after JFK was shot in the head). The shot was fired from the TSBD (above and behind the limo), the bullet passed through Connally's chest with an exit wound the size of a baseball, the bullet then hit his right wrist which was located in front of his chest.
The shot at Z325 was the fifth shot fired per the acoustic evidence. Per the acoustic evidence, three shots were fired from behind from the TSBD, shots 1, 3 and 5.
You cannot possibly be serious. Have you got anything besides the (thoroughly debunked) acoustic evidence to base this claim on?
Also, any reason why you have ascribed a 5th shot to the acoustic evidence, which even the HSCA wasn't willing to do?
Extra credit: how do you account for your GROSSLY mis-timed wounding of Connally at frame 325? That's the first time I've heard that theory, and it's a doozy.
If the single bullet THEORY is incorrect, and I show it is not correct, then there had to be more than 4 shots, in fact the acoustic evidence, the sound recording shows that there were FIVE SHOTS (and possibly six shots fired).
We've been told so many incorrect things about the assassination that it will take time for you to understand what actually happened. Start by understanding BANG-BANG, the rest will make sense when I tell you more about WHO and WHY !
Nice video. Just remember the Costner movie wa inacurate in ....I think it was. the seating position on the guy that got shot I have it on night line video tape but I wont throw out the baby with the dirty baby water. Satan is in the gorvernment the bible says and fools think 911 was not a scam??????/
good video, It's nice to know their are people who have a brain and or interested in the truth, I recently had a comments debate with a Warren Commission apologist on the "The Men That Killed Kennedy," video, it was a waste of time and gave me a headache.
We have all kinds of witnesses who say that they saw a massive wound to the back of JFK's head.
The Zapruder film does not show a large wound in the back of JFK's head. There are many other discrepancies. Look at The Zapruder-Truth or Deception. You'll see they show plenty of reasons that the film is obviously forged.
Nice video. How do we know that Connelly wasn't injured by the shot that went through JFK's neck? He turns and looks like he is in pain at that point.
Great video. If there had not been a cover-up by the government there would have been no need to lie. The film tells the story, they werent counting on digital technology !
Now you are starting to get it, it's not a mistake, the SBT is a lie, the truth is so dangerous to some that the government must lie to hide the truth.
The Acoustic Evidence tells us exactly where two of the shooters were, it tells us that there was a conspiracy, it tells us that either the investigations were done by idiots or else the BIG LIE.
You'll finally understand this puzzle when you see who ordered the killing and how the cover up was done.
I was just trying to point out this is not a "theory" it's a fact, the last two shots were BANG-BANG, the acoustic evidence shows the odds are well over a million to one that is what happened.
How could so many get this wrong which fooled everyone else? Simple, but first you need to know a few more facts. One day you'll say this should have been obvious, and it will be.
It's important you know the truth just as it is important to the liars you do not know, I only win if you understand.
wow, until now I believed in the single bullet theory, but I never belived that Oswald was the only shooter,now I belived that there is definate proof that there was more than one shooter. there is no way Oswald could have fired those two shots so close together with a bolt action rifle.
Thank you SCGATOR2001, I support your theories now
It's not a theory, it's been proven. The odds that noise was mistaken for gunfire on the recording are astronomical because the scientists used the many echoes to pinpoint the location of the shooters. The grassy knoll shot had 26 reflections spaced in just the right way to uniquely show WHERE THE SHOOTER WAS!
Nobody has previously identified 4.8 seconds AND 0.7 seconds. When you add that to the probability equation astronomical probabilities resultl!
ecxellent video man, your right when the witnesses the audio and the video match up you know it's true.
plus the footage of the secret service taking there men from the back of kennedys car proves they were involved or gave the assasin every chance to get the job done
The secret service men who did not ride on the back of the limo: Possibly LBJ said something to get that done, it may not have been the Secret Service.
There's another video floating around of LBJ wanting Jackie to ride WITH HIM! There's no doubt about LBJ's role in this.
The audio, video AND some witnesses match., now it all makes sense. Bugliosi said a conspiracy could never happen but he's never seen a classified document, he's always been a lawyer. He can't comprehend CO saying SHUT UP!
Look at my video above. It proves that the acoustic evidence DID RECORD THE SOUNDS OF THE SHOOTING!!!!
With that information you know that the 4th shot was the one that hit President Kennedy in the head, it was fired from the grassy knoll with odds well over a million to one, so why are you excited about seeing the hole in the windshield? I have two other videos that shows witnesses saying there was a clean bullet hole in the windshield.. The Grassy knoll shot did not hit the windshield!
Bill: I am pretty sure that in 1:29.5 we can see the windshield broken glass from front to rear. So that means that THERE WHERE AT LEAST TWO SHOOTERS!!!
If you think you see the hole in the windshield that doesn't PROVE a shot was fired from front.
The acoustic analysis of the sounds of the shots, 4.8 seconds and 0.7 seconds proves that the shots were recorded. Once you know the sounds of the shots were recorded, then you KNOW WHERE THE SHOOTERS were located IF they fired test shots from that location.
The acoustic evidence proves conspiracy. Now you have two possibilities:
This is great work! You had replied to my video on D.B. Thomas saying that the SBT can't be right. I think DB Thomas suspected the SBT might be accurate but was not married to it. I don't believe, however, that the Z film has been altered. In that still you give you'll notice that the "Babushka" lady and her friend only appear larger because they are not covered by a vehicle. If you compare the size of JFKs head (and Jackie) with the witnesses you'll see they are bigger.
The Zapruder film had to be altered. The acoustic evidence is valid for many reasons but the easiest to see are 4.8 seconds followed by 0.7 seconds both in the Zapruder film and the acoustic evidence. The Z film had to hide two things: The massive wound to the back of JFK's head and the shot to Connally 0.7 seconds after JFK's head shot. The altered Z film hid both.
The odds alone (per Thomas) are over 100,000 to one that the shot to JFK's head came from the front, not noise but gunshots
The original black in white film shows exactly what SCGATOR2001 is talking about. I have noticed that somehow the one of the color film versions has been altered to prevent anyone from seeing this
You need to know other facts before you conclude that the secret service agent knew something was going to happen.
I am quite sure Roy Kellerman who sat directly in front of Connally did not know about the shooting beforehand. When you see additional facts you'll probably agree with me.
@SCGATOR2001 Gator, please look at your You Tube Message "In Box". I sent you a "shot timing scenario" that I would very much like to have your opinion on. I have been studying various "info" on this topic for about 40 years.
@buckl55 The response was sent to you earlier. Nobody will at first believe there is a SIMPLE solution to the "mystery."
You see it's not a mystery, it's a LIE and the lies are now transparent. The truth will start to be clear to you once you understand there is overwhelming proof the last two shots were fired 0.7 seconds apart. You can see it in the Z film, witnesses heard BANG-BANG and it makes sense. To seal the deal you need to see all FIVE shots have effects that can be identified!
Dan Rather is a total TOOL of the NWO. He got really ticked off when they ditched him, like so much garbage. The shocker is how he thought so wrongly that the NWO cares about any of its tools.
There are a million tools ready, willing able able to take the place of used up, rusty ones.
This is the typical conspiracy video. ignores the great body of evidence that shows it was Oswald alone, and uses the witnsses who says what he wants to hear. He quotesKinney, but of course uses a vague statement..
He claims that Conn didn't get hit until after the head shot but ignores that you can see Connally's lapel fly up when he is wounded at the same time JFK was.
All Conn can tell us is when he felt the shot, Reagan never knew he was hit until the hospital.
Scgat..One more time, if Connally wasn't wounded until you say he was, why did his jacket lapel fly up at the same time the WC and the HSCA said he was hit?
notice how this video quotes Connally when Connally says what the video maker wants to hear, but ignores what Connally says that isn't what he wants to hear. Both Connally's said the Gov felt the wound before JFK's head shot. This video totally ignores that and ignores every witnsses who says the shots were not within a matter of a second. Also you can't be sure what right on top of each other means.
And one more time, why did Coannaly's lapel fly up just as JFK was hit the first time?
another thing the video maker completely ignores is the fact that when JFK was first hit he went foward, and then backwards.This is a fact proven by individual frames. The video maker ignores this because it doesn't fit his theory.
There is a conspiracy and its an been ongoing conspriacy throughout time, but its so vast and unbelievable that the human conditioned, programmed mind
cannot fathom it in their mind controlled
state.......some people on this planet/dimension are being awakened
on many levels of awareness......while the
rest label us in their hypnosis state of ignorance....mad.
Why are presidents chosen by their bloodline and are related distantly to royalty....why is that???????
Never believed the "Warren Commission" findings. The one thing your video showed (besides proving the spacing of the last 2 shots) -- was how incredibly close Jackie was to his head when he was shot. It's usually gone through so quickly you don't see it. She had to have FELT the bullet whiz past her almost THROUGH her bangs, as she was RIGHT in front of his face when he was shot. Must've been a really good sniper to miss her, and hit him - definitely NOT Oswald -- no way.
This was one of the "finding's" of INSIDE THE TARGET CAR shown Nov 2008. BUT Jackie's head was not in the line of fire, the actors who under the direction of Gary Mack showed that Jackie would have been hit were not properly placed.
The shot to JFK's head hit him in the back of the right ear and exited the right back of his head, leaving a massive hole about the size of a fist. The shooter from the front could easily see Jackie would not have been hit.
Best presentation I've seen yet, in its simplicity, it shows clearly that Oswald wasn't the only shooter, even if he was one of them, and not just the patsy many believe he was.
What convinced me, early on, was the assassination of Bobby. Two Kennedys?
No, it wasn't LBJ. The people who had Kennedy killed think much further ahead than most of us. Nixon was a protege of Prescott Bush. Poppy Bush was in the CIA when JFK was killed, though he denies it. FOIA has proven differently.
Go to 1:11 (frame 303)...Connally is obviously already hit - he was hit around Z296 as he's turning his head back to the left (AS HE TESTIFIED)! That was the FIRST of the BANG-BANG shots - the LAST of the two was the head shot. If what I say is NOT true, then answer "Why is Connally falling into his wife's lap?". Since he said he noticed NOTHING WRONG UNTIL HE WAS HIT, why would a governor suddenly fall into his wife's lap? Obviously he was hit & falling ("buckled over" = his body flinching).
Tomaji69 1 year ago
@SCGATOR2001 The two ladies are proportional and NOT larger than Jack and Jackie...compare head sizes, not body sizes (as J & J and not standing up). The heads of J & J are about 50% larger than the two ladies in the infield area. Zapruder may have been using a telephoto lens, rather than a "normal" lens (I think his dual-eight camera had the rotating lenses). It's nonsense to think ONE copy of the film was altered, when there were several...that would have been a bad cover up plan.
Tomaji69 1 year ago
Notice the differences of testimony between this film and the one titled "Beyond Conspiracy" This film actually has Connally being interviewed and telling what he did and when he did it while the "Beyond Conspiracy" film just shows the animator stating what Connaly said and creating a point where he believes that Connaly was speaking of. Connaly said "I immediately reacted by turning to look over my right shoulder" "Beyond Conspiracy" says he said he immideately turned to his right.
Zerrick80 1 year ago
BEYOND CONSPIRACY has one purpose and that is to explain there were 3 shots fired by one man. Witnesses like Connally say it didn't happen that way even though both Nellie and John were not helpful describing the shot number. But both were consistent when they described JFK reaction to a shot, John's turn and then several seconds later a shot to Connally's back.
See my film TWILIGHT ZONE where I show you the SBT was impossible then I show that the last 2 shots were BANG-BANG!
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
One of the players didn't die until 2001 -- Cord Meyer. When asked who killed his ex-wife Mary (who was having an affair with JFK), Meyer, who was 81 and dying of lymphoma in a nursing home, reportedly said, "The same SOBs who killed JFK." Sounds like he was admitting that he, Allan Dulles, Hoover, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Specter......
MarinaHill 2 years ago
Look at my video TWILIGHT ZONE, it makes fun of the Guberment story. One Documentary BEYOND THE MAGIC BULLET actually SHOWED THAT THE MAGIC BULLET WAS IMPOSSIBLE for what we know now (bullet exited JFK's chest NOT his neck!).
In that video I show that Connally was shot in the back a split second after JFK was shot in the head. There is overwhelming proof that the last two shots were fired BANG-BANG, understand this and you are on your way to finally making sense of all the lies.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
also...seems some of these people forget there is a thing called an echo???
70brown 2 years ago
was it an echo?
If you look at the video you'll see that I tie the Zapruder film to the only audio recording made during the assassination. Audio experts said that the recording captured the sounds of the shots with a 95% probability OR BETTER. Others said NO they didn't.
WHO IS RIGHT? Turns out the other reviewers did NOT evaluate the recording like the experts did, they found an artifact and concluded it was invalid.
I show with 4.8 sec and 0.7 sec between three shots that it did!
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Sounds like lot of depth for an echo.
HwoarangtheBoomerang 1 year ago
conally..after already being struck by a bullet...was reacting on adrenaline..when a shot ripped past him...the head shot.
bob harris yet again misleads people with one of his many theories. how many does that make now bobby???
70brown 2 years ago
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turbulente007 2 years ago
Check out your video at 5:14. Blood can already be seen pooling on his jacket, right by his armpit, exactly where Connally had been shot. If you were to go close in on that spot and run the film in slo-mo, you would see the pool of blood widening.
AlmeidaFan 2 years ago
Do you believe that there were five shots or just three? Everyone who was there seems to agree on hearing just three shots. Why hasn't anyone said anything about five shots or more than three?
ignatiusjk 2 years ago
There were FIVE shots that were detected by the acoustic evidence. Do you believe that 4.8 seconds and 0.7 seconds could be on two independent ways to measure the shot spacing if both didn't actually detect the shots?
Not everyone said three shots but if you listen to the description of some who heard three shots you'll find they said a shot, then a pause and then two shots almost on top of each other.
Many other witnesses said the shots were about equally spaced
That alone means FOUR.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
People did report more than three shots. Their testimony just didn't happen to make it into the Warren Commission report. As for those who only heard three? They probably started counting after they realized it was gunfire (meaning, the first shot probably didn't even register in their minds); plus, the "third" shot was two shots fired virtually on top of each other, which likely counted as one shot, not two, in a lot of people's minds.
AlmeidaFan 2 years ago 3
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The ppl who could of possibly done it , LBJ & Hoover (JEH , more powerful of the 2) are long gone .
LBJ inherited a big mess caused by JFK which cut 10 yrs off his life . JFK in frustration wanted to "Give this damned job to Nixon" (Who was much more qualified than JFK) and as a toot to boot LHO would of shot all 3 because his marxism was akin to the criminal community of researchers today who hate JFK so much they'd stoop to incriminate the innocent in order to exonerate a guilty LHO .
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
Let everyone know who was behind all this and then hold a vote on what to do with them. There can't be too many people left who believe there was one disenchanted American guy with a magic bullet that did this. The fact that the subsequent coverup continues to this day shows those behind it are still in power.
j0n52 2 years ago 3
The major players were dead by 1978 when the HSCA found the acoustic evidence. By that time the executive branch of the US Gov't had made fools of everybody else, do you think that the powers to be were going to let YOU know that?
When a President screws up really bad, the guys you only suspect exist come up to make everything OK. In LBJ's case, they came up with fools who put their name on the bottom line for silly reasons such as "hold it here."
There's only one high level guy still alive.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
In 1975 the congressinal investiagation concluded that Kennedy threw his brains backward due to a "neuro muscular reaction" Dan Rather has always been an advocate of the lone assassin Oswald theory. He did severall documetaries "proving it" Rather deserved what he got.
a1562z 2 years ago
The HSCA was actually 1978 and it did conclude one shooter, three shots until the acoustic evidence was presented. They closed out with a shot from the grassy knoll. Then the Justice Dept etc. said no, the audio recording did not record shot sounds.
I've shown in RATHER'S QUESTION with 4.8 seconds & 0.7 seconds being common to both the Z film and the audio recording that the police radio captured the sounds of shots, once we know that we've proven conspiracy, now WHO and WHY?
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Arlen Specter the man behind the fiction of the 'single bullet theory' defected from the Republicans to the Democrats. What payback is Obama going to ask of Specter? What else is Specter prepared to 'give up'? Recant the fiction of the 'single bullet theory'? The JFK assassination conspiracy is about to be blown apart! Keep tuned to CNN and other national and international news agencies in the next few weeks. Watch this space and remember you heard it here FIRST!!
Mobilecheese 2 years ago
Sigh. . .drumming fingers. . .waiting. . .
LastLemming 2 years ago
Bob Harris has shoved it up the Lone Nut Sheeple Squad's asses yet again...
watch?v=sNoLVyUCdmY
watch?v=GeQCu7m3vmw
Ooops! Good luck explaining this away with anything remotely resembling fact or logic.
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago 3
I have no idea what I meant by above--I must have been waiting for the video to load or some such.....
LastLemming 2 years ago
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MobileMoron : "The JFK assassin. conspiracy is about to be blown apart in the nest few weeks"
Posted (3 weeks ago) .... Ya we just found another co-con-cpirator in the death of JFK !
Except this one is alot stewpider than most of the rest he believes JFK was killed in many different ways , all at the same time !
Hello , anybody home in thar hillbilly ?
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
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Mobilecheese 2 years ago
Oswald was a pawn, agreed. I don't agree that JFK was shot because he was addressing the FED RESERVE SCAM. The Warren Commission was wrong, this film PROVES they got it wrong.
There is no need to shoot watermelons or whatever, the acoustic evidence tells us WHERE the shooters were. The lies were good but now there's proof the gov't lied.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Ok I have a question to anyone who can answer...
Watch the Z film right after his head uh, explodes... and watch the trunk of the car, you see his brain/skull slide across it with pretty good speed, so ....
If it was just Oswald up in the 6th floor, and it was just the one bullet that went through his head and into Conolly....
Why the hell did the brain/skull go backwards?? Shouldn't it have gone in the direction of the bullet?? FORWARDS?? The head shot was from the front.
JPH910 2 years ago
WATCH THE FILM. Although I don't say it, this video essentially ANSWERS many of the previously unanswerable questions.
The 4.8 seconds and 0.7 seconds in both the Zapruder film AND the acoustic evidence confirms that the acoustic evidence did detect the shots. Now we know there were at least FIVE shots and we know WHERE the shots were fired from.
The shot that hit JFK in the head was fired from the right front of the car! That's WHY the head framents went BACK!
Now you know for sure!
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
it is a medical fact that the bodies nerves react later than the actual damage. If you know what i'm saying. It is like as when you burn your hand on the oven, the pain (and the body reaction) will be felt fractions of a second later. that might explain Conollys "late" reaction and why he is still holding his hat tho his hand was already hit.
DoubleR666 2 years ago
It MIGHT explain Connally's late reaction but when you look at the police recording evidence AND you look at the film, you see that these things happened at the same time when you CORRECTLY CORRELATE the acoustic information to the film.
Connally may have fallen over later due to the nerve delay reaction you mention but the acoustic evidence PROVES that is not true.
It's no longer necessary to guess, the acoustics analysis PROVES that there was a conspiracy.
NEXT QUESTION why the lies?
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
the last part of this video is somthing i havew never heard mentioned before. I cant stop thinking about it..
AndrewKH85 2 years ago
If both the Zapruder film and the Police recording did detect the shots, then the time between the shots would be the same, right?
4.8 seconds and 0.7 seconds prove to anyone that both detected the shots.
Then you can say there were FIVE shots fired from different places.
Now you can ask, is the government incompetent to not see this OR was the fix in? The answer is the government is lying.
Next question, WHY? The simple answer is that our government broke down, power killed JFK.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
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MountAthos 2 years ago
Oswald: (as a recent marine defected to the USSR at the height of the cold war): "I intend to share any secrets on US radar operation I can with the Soviets." "I am willing to kill US soldiers." Shutter: (Sweetly, honestly, and innocently) "I don't see anything Oswald did that could be described as treason." I think that says enough about sincerity of input.
Exiles800 2 years ago 2
You can generally judge seriousness of input by content. Shutter, your 'credibility' tack on the asylum visit by Shaw and Oswald smacks of non-denial denial. Oswald's unpunished treason to the Soviet Union is proof enough for most wise people.
Exiles800 2 years ago
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"Non-denial denial?" OK, then let me be more emphatic: I DO NOT BELIEVE THE CLINTON/JACKSON WITNESSES ONE BIT. I merely acknowledged that a certain government panel (namely, the HSCA) found some credibility in their tesimony. The HSCA, as I'm sure you'll readily stipulate, was fallible.
For what it's worth, a jury of 12 in New Orleans, 1969 agreed with me.
Trivia: Oswald's (provable) actions in the Soviet Union did not constitute treason at any time. Why should he be punished?
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
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Addendum: OK, re-reading what I wrote, I realize that Shaw's acquittal does not neccessarily require the jury's non-belief of the Clinton witnesses. But since eyewitness credibility is all about personal decision, I'll say this much: Irvin Dymond did a more than adequate job of destroying their credibility, in my opinion.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
I think Shaw was witnessed driving Oswald to get a job at an asylum in Louisiana. The mafia connection sounds like a good way to pass CIA involvement off onto likely suspects. Trust me, CIA would be well aware of what the mob was doing, especially if it involved the killing of a president. They couldn't operate at that broad a level with plans in many different cities without tripping off FBI detection because of the amount of exposure and networking. There was no time or way to alter Zapruder.
Exiles800 2 years ago
"I think Shaw was witnessed driving Oswald to get a job at an asylum in Louisiana."
Tread VERY carefully any time you attempt to use part of Garrison's investigation to bolster your viewpoint. There is essentially ZERO reliable evidence to place Shaw or Oswald in Jackson (or Clinton) LA in 1963, and on the other hand, some VERY credible evidence to the contrary. The movements of both were meticulously studied during the trial, and believing the Clinton witnesses requires a huge leap of faith.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Very thin Shutter. There were enough people who saw them both in the car as well as applying for the job.
Exiles800 2 years ago 2
Again, it's a matter of credibility. The HSCA was not privvy to much of the contents of Garrison's investigation, which has since cast grave doubts on the Clinton/Jackson witnesses' testimony. It's highly inconsistent at best, and much of it is demonstrably perjurous.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Dude, there's several photos of Brennan sitting on the Reflecting Pool Retaining Wall. He's also in the Z-Film.
I confess I haven't seen the 'Re-Enactment Photos', but I have seen the originals.
He was there, and he was where he said he was in testimony.
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
If you study the history of the Zapruder film it wasn't out of anyone's possession long enough to be altered. Zapruder held on to it and even accompanied it to Kodak to be developed. A separate copy was kept safely away and hidden after many other copies were made. This original stored copy has been checked and compared to the other copies and they match perfectly. If you review its possession there wasn't the time to do any alterations, especially with the technology of the time. Read on this.
Exiles800 2 years ago
Howard Brennan was a Sock-Puppet Alien?
What?
Vinnie, the ACLU will be in touch regarding this heinous ethic slur, I daresay.
Speaking on behalf of the Sock-Puppet Org., Coalition for Kennedy (SPOCK) I formally protest this grievous back-hand!
Alien Agent Brennan was no True Sock-Puppet!
10Feanor 2 years ago
LIAR BRENNAN, Pt. 1: The WC's prime "Oswald did it" eyewitness, Howard Brennan, gave such vague and contradictory testimony that the Report itself states that the WC did not use it as a prime source for its conclusions. Additionally, Brennan's position, as shown in re-enactment photographs, does not reflect where he actually was, nor where he was actually looking at the time of the shots.
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago
Well shit, how about since (as you say) the WC didn't use Brennan as a primary source, and since you've obviously got major issues with his (in my opinion, HIGHLY CREDIBLE) testimony, how's about we erase him alltogether.
Now, what eyewitnesses to a grassy knoll shooter do you want to offer by way of rebuttal? (or other shooters, period?) Or, are you simply saying "I don't care who it was, you can't prove it was Oswald"
Please indulge me. Are you willing to endorse ANY actual theory here?
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
"Are you willing to endorse ANY actual theory here?"
watch?v=exXDcu-yRiw
jfkmurdersolved . com
Consider yourself indulged. Now go away.
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago 4
"jfkmurdersolved . com"
In the words of Darth Vader: "All too easy."
But OK, at least now I know where you're coming from. It's just a matter of getting you to understand the 2-dozen or so other "false confessions" and bogus theories, and realizing that this is just another "attempt to sell books" theory. (keep in mind I have no delusions of actually accomplishing this)
JFK assassination theories 2-999 have proved bogus, but theory #1,000 is real, folks! We really mean it this time!
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
VinnyVoom444 sez that the theory he endorses can be found at:
jfkmurdersolved . com
A site devoted to...guess who? James Files! I can hear an audible groan from the crowd.
For those unfamiliar, I encourage you to investigate the saga of James Files (currently in prison for killing a police officer)
Perhaps Vinny can explain how FIles has been PROVEN to be in Chicago on 11/22/63, or why the details of the assassination were apparently not planned until THAT MORNING?
Nice try, Vinny.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
(I think he's dead now, yes?)
But, fortunately, he wasn't dead on 22 Nov 63, as he was in Chicago for the birth of his daughter.
10Feanor 2 years ago
Silly, that was his unknown twin brother witnessing the birth of James' daughter! James was busy ordering some flapjacks and planning an assassination that morning.
Apparently Files is alive and (un)well. Though he's apparently since murdered his twin brother.
Imagine all the poor dopes who've hitched their wagon to this kook.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
What a goof-ball I am! I completely forgot all about the twin brother ... right!
So that means he really WAS at the diner eating flappity jacks, hatching unholy plots with covert, Black-Ops Secret Government Agents, bent on World Domination & Destroying our Very Way of Life!
Ahh, to be 21 again, in Dallas on that sunny Friday morning.
(Oops ... almost blew my cover there!)
<--- D/I Running Shill Dawg, Troll-Like Sock Puppet
10Feanor 2 years ago
On that note, any updates on operation DD/LAPDANCE for the "company" picnic this weekend? I'm supposed to be in charge of entertainment, but Jada is long dead, BABUSHKA has had a change of heart, and we're running dangerously low on "ASSets" in that area. If things keep up, we're gonna be left watching Posner and Bugliosi doing table dances. Unacceptable!
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Jada was a barker anyway.
I was thinking, maybe we could get Beverly Oliver to shake a few tailfeathers -- just like old times.
If all else fails, there's still that hot little blonde from Human Resources I was telling you about. The one with the Jalepeno Rolaids in all the right places?
She's all over a good time. She'll get Bugliosi up on the bar with a lampshade on his head!
Don't forget your harmonica for this! Marina misses you!
Agent Aeolus 14-Umbra
10Feanor 2 years ago
Beverly Oliver? HELLO!?!?! I already ruled out BABUSHKA (please use approved titles where applicable) since she's some kind of "karaoke singer for god" now.
Yes, my Hohner has been honed (though the key modulator seems to be sticking, no doubt an artifact from last year's "unfortunate incident") I'll do my best to reenact the "Turkey in the Straw" routine from '96 - '06 though. It's a tradition!
P.S. CI/MERLING may know too much. Use discretion.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
10/4 re: MERLING. He's already on the list. I'll have Lloyd "Correct" him.
... and you have some sort of issue with 'Karaoke Fer Gawd', Mr Turkey-in-da-straw'?
The alternative is to have me do the Time-Honored: New York, New York routine.
"... these 3 vagabond shoes ... "
Re: the 'Unfortunate Incident'. I told you last year in Tiblisi that you have to keep that cold hook out of there!
(You only have yourself to blame.)
Bring it anyway.
Aeolus 14-Umbra
10Feanor 2 years ago
Guilty as charged, and WILCO. I asume operation ZR/VINNY is still a go? We'll need alibi's anyway. I suggest Hooters Orlando, known safe location.
Areolas 4-Myself
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Hem-Fir on Dr Boom-Boom. Lloyd's on that one too.
Hooters Orlando ... the one on the Strip, or at the airport?
Arnold Umpteenth squawk-box
10Feanor 2 years ago
Airport, duh. (walking distance from the Marriott, use Mormon contacts as necessary, etc.)
ZR/RIFLETHROUGHPANTYDRAWER
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
"Perhaps Vinny can explain how FIles has been PROVEN to be in Chicago on 11/22/63"
And the incontrovertible citation can be found where?
That's what I thought, you lying sack-o-shit.
Keep posting your disinformation diarrhea... I'll be here to expose you and your lies.
By the way, how's your alias cddickless?
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago 3
"And the incontrovertible citation can be found where?"
The hospital records where his daughter was born. (I figured that was implied)
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
"The hospital records where his daughter was born. (I figured that was implied)"
See how it works YouTubers? "Implied" evidence and supposition is good enough to dismiss testimony and credibility when the hypocritical Lone Nut Sheeple Squad needs to do so, yet only hard evidence and "official" government documents can be used to prove conspiracy. Of course SB won't acknowledge this official FBI report which also backs File's story....
watch?v=exXDcu-yRiw
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago 6
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The evidence is not "implied." What was implied was that you knew what we meant when we said there was incontrovertible evidence of Files having been in Chigago on 11/22-63.
That FBI report in no way backs up Files' story.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
"That FBI report in no way backs up Files' story. "
It backs it up in EVERY way you goddamned LIAR! Again, NOBODY is buying your disinformation bullshit, no matter how many times you spew it.
By the way, you never answered my question about cddickless. While I'm at it, what did you do with you "FatPie" sock puppet?
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago 7
LIAR BRENNAN, Pt. 2: The Zapruder film clearly shows him in a totally different position than that relayed by both his testimony and government re-creations.FBI and other government investigators obviously would have seen this also. Why then were the KNOWN erroneous re-enactment photographs of Brennan still included in the evidence, other than to artificially and wrongly make the case against the lone gunman appear stronger?
This is where StutterBun moves the goal posts again.
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago
Hey numbnuts, the Zapruder film was ALTERED! Didn't you know that? The conspirators deliberately moved Brennan's location so he couldn't make a positive ID of Oswald. Sheesh, keep believing the government lies, why dontcha.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
How many shots do you think were fired? If there were more than three why did everyone only hear three. When on the Zapruder tape were the first two shots fired? Clint Hill said that he heard three shots. If you think there were five shots then the Secret Service sat there for two shots before reacting to the third. i have a hard time buying that.
ignatiusjk 2 years ago
You don't seem to understand that "Bang-Bang", even if accurate, doesn't cancel or nullify the necessity for establishing a path for the 224 Connally leg hit for which he is seen reacting in Zapruder. You can't have Connally hit in the leg at this point unless you can show a valid shot. Unfortunately, this gives creedence to the single bullet theory by default.
Exiles800 2 years ago
Ah, as long as no one can account for Connally wincing at and after 224 then the 235 back shot claim is dubious. Charleston says Connally was hit in the leg and that's why he winced, but the bullet would have to go through either car or body to get to Connally's leg - so unless you can show a path for the 224 leg hit it leaves open the possibility of a single bullet at 223-224. If you don't account for this you surrender your theory.
Exiles800 2 years ago
I keep telling you BANG-BANG, the last two shots is not a theory, it's a fact.
If you'd TALK to the self appointed media blessed experts, you'd find out WHY they ruled out a shot to Connally after JFK's head shot. They ALL accept one assumption as valid that's simply BS.
Apparently you haven't figured it out yet but you are thinking.
You can't explain 4.8 seconds and 0.7 seconds being common to BOTH the Z film & Audio recording. That is sufficient to prove the shots were recorded.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
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Sorry, I didn't want to get into the validity of the acoustic evidence with you, but if you want your theory taken seriously at all, it would serve you well to distance yourself from such hogwash.
And if your next video purports to prove the Zapruder film was altered in some way, it would behoove you NOT to use it as evidence in this theory. If you are impeaching evidence, the WHOLE THING has got to be thrown out.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
I would like to hear the assassin story
inspectorcritic 2 years ago
There's a huge elephant here that isn't being recognized. Since Connally is obviously wincing in pain at 224-on he has to be hit. If you are claiming he's hit in the leg you have to show a path for that shot. Because of the position of Connally's leg any leg hit would have to pass through either body or car. Until you show this path you have negated your own theory.
Exiles800 2 years ago
Mr C,
In reading your vid-comments over on the right I cannot fail to ask 1 or 2 questions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are your ideas based solely upon the acoustic evidence?
May I ask where/how this recording was obtained?
Where on the Knoll was this shooter?
JBC leans forward at Z-235 along with most everyone else in the car. Were they all shot too?
I'm always looking for fresh points of view in this case as it has gotten a bit stale after my 35 years of study. Please enlighten me.
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
The shooting sounds were captured by a stuck open microphone that was recording both before the shots were fired and after. There is a huge controversy over this recording, many say it did not capture the sounds of the shots being fired. Those other "experts" are NOT experts, simply PhD's showing that people analyzing information out of their expertise are fools.
With 4.8 and 0.7 seconds between shots in both the audio recording and the Zapruder film, we have proof sounds were recorded
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
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If you're so inclined to disregard "experts" and "PhD's...out of their field," how about the conclusions of Steve Barber, a layman who was the first to point out the "Hold everything secure" crosstalk, which essentially destroyed the credibility of the acoustic evidence?
His (totally independent) findings were later verified by the National Academy of Sciences, a body whose credentials I DEFY you to impugn. They further went on to trash pretty much the entire basis of the acoustic evidence.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
It is important to learn from where and when this recording was made.
This stuck-open mic was on a Police motorcycle traveling a mile away from Dealy Plaza on its way to the TradeMart. The sound was radio transmitted to "HQ" & recorded onto a magnetic wire-spool. This 1935 technology was archaic even in '63 & the spools weren't processed for years.
So, the recording is made at least a mile away, on a Harley going 50/60 mph, 2 mins after the shooting.
I'm sorry, but this is not evidence.
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
When YOU understand HOW ECHO CORRELATION ANALYSIS is done, that will prove it to U.
There were 26 echoes on the recording from the grassy knoll shot, TWENTY-SIX. They were UNIQUELY spaced as they could only be IF they were fired from the grassy knoll.
When test shots were fired from the grassy knoll, the spacing AND the number of shots matched PROVING that the 4th shot, the one that hit JFK in the head, came from the Grassy Knoll!
5th shot came form the TSBD & hit Connally in the back.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Dispute this phrase: "HOLD EVERYTHING SECURE." (look it up if you don't yet know the significance of it)
I'll wait.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
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Does it bother you that Connally was adamant in his Warren Commission testimony that he distinctly heard a shot AFTER he was shot, and that he very clearly describes it as the head shot? He also makes it clear that Nellie pulls him into her lap AFTER he was hit. Is it possible you are placing too much emphasis on a few vague areas of testimony which might happen to coincide with your interpretation of the (altered?) Zapruder film, and bogus acoustic evidence?
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
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VinnyVoom444 2 years ago
"Too much emphasis on a few vague areas of testimony"
Vague testimony? Like John Connally who was adamant that he was hit turning back to his left, Nellie Connally who was next to him in the limo and doesn't buy the SBT or the Warren Commission's fairy tale, or Lee Bowers (and others) who heard the last 2 shots on top of each other?
The only thing vague is your attempt to hide under many sock puppet aliases here and your desperate need to propagate "official" government lies.
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago 2
If the recording recored 3 shots why didn't it record the fourth,or fifth? Everyone wittnessing the assasasination said they heard three shots not 4-5.
ignatiusjk 2 years ago
I show 3 persons who said THREE SHOTS but they say the last two shots were fired BANG-BANG. It's easy to find people who said THREE EQUALLY spaced shots, BANG-BANG-BANG, each several secs apart. These were the people close to the TSBD. Put those people together and you get #1BANG-Several seconds-#2BANG-Several Seconds-#3BANG-#4BANG,
#3 and #4 were fired within a split second of each other and that's what the HSCA acoustic experts said happened, shots 1 2 4 from TSBD, #3 from grassy knoll.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Not to throw cold water on your theory, but Connally's head lurches forward at 325 because Greer hit the brakes. Kellerman's head does the EXACT same movement, in sync with Connally (his head practically hits the frame of the windshield!)
Try again.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
THEORY? Are you kidd ing? With odds well over a million to one, this is NOT a theory, it is fact.
The last two shots were BANG-BANG, two shots fired less than one second apart which proves we've been lied to.
Say HI to CDDRAFTSMAN.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
A million to one? Even the most optimistic view of the acoustic "evidence" puts the odds at 20 to 1.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
What was said was the probability is 95% or better that a shot was fired from the grassy knoll. That translates to 20 to 1 at 95% but actually better makes that higher, a lot higher.
The grassy knoll shot AND test shot both had 26 reflections shown (echoes). The probability of that happening is more like 100,000 to one (random noise causing that pattern). Add in 4 more shots with the right echo pattern and you are well over a million to one.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
No, what the acoustic experts said is that "they are 95% certain that the impulses on the dictabelt represented gunshots, and not just random noise." If you want to continue to rely on "evidence" which has since been thoroughly denounced by the scientific community, then go ahead and "HOLD EVERYTHING SECURE" for now. (wink wink!)
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
And because Connally was limp and in the process of passing-out he snapped forward faster with the brake action. This theory is very difficult because Connally is obviously in pain prior to this 235 shot. He also viewed the Zapruder film and did not point out that moment as when he was shot. A baseball-sized wound would make a lapel flap out, wouldn't it?
Exiles800 2 years ago
Indeed. This theory is an example of trying to fit 2 pieces of contrary evidence together. There are 2 mistaken assumptions at work here:
1. that the Dallas police dictabelt recorded gunshots in Dealey Plaza. (it did not, and there are MOUNTAINS of evidence backing me up here)
2. that bullets from high powered rifles can "push" bodies around as they pass through them. This is a result of too many war movies and video games. Bullets don't work that way, though it's tough to convince people.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
This video concisely proves what disinformation trolls like ShutterBun won't admit. The eyewitness testimony contradicts the fairy tale of the WC, which is why it wasn't used. He needs to believe in illegitimate authority instead of the people actually in the limo, or eyewitnesses feet away from it.
Hey asshole, what are the odds the acoustic evidence matches the shots by coincidence?
jfkmurdersolved . com
CASE CLOSED.
Insert your lying sack-o-shit lil' sheeple boy face here --> :-(
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago
Without going into the fact that the acoutsic evidence, as presented to the HSCA has since been soundly refuted by several reputable sources, I'll answer your question. As presented by Weiss and Aschkenasy to the HSCA, they stated that there was a 5% that they were monitoring "random noise."
If you simply want to compare eyewitness accounts, I'll point out that only 4 out of 150+ witnesses heard shots from 2 directions, and the vast majority only heard 3 shots total, all from the TSBD.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
"I'll point out that only 4 out of 150+ witnesses heard shots from 2 directions"
FACT: Of the 104 earwitness reports published by the Commission and elsewhere, 56 recorded testimony to the effect that they heard shots from the direction of the Depository to the rear of the President, 35 recorded testimony of shots from the direction of the knoll or the triple underpass to the right or front of the President.
Seriously, do you really think anyone is buying your bullshit?
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago 3
Do you even realize the point you're trying to make? Even with your generous ratio of 56 TSBD witnesses, and 35 Grassy Knoll witnesses, only FOUR people total heard shots from TWO DIRECTIONS. Thus, there is hardly ANY earwitness corroboration for the "Acoustic evidence" which is at the very heart of the theory presented in this video! Please graduate from something other than refrigerator maintenance school before engaging in this sort of debate.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
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VinnyVoom444 2 years ago 3
"WHO GIVES A FUCK how many heard from 2 directions?"
Well, this whole video relies on both earwitnesses, and the "acoustic evidence." The acoustic evidence states EMPHATICALLY that the shots came from 2 different directions, yet VERY FEW earwitnesses agree with this. In fact, only ONE earwitness gave testimony that would agree with the acoustic evidence. Shall we throw out everyone else's testimony, based on this bogus recording?
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Amazing how many people (police, reporters, etc.) were chasing "echoes" up the knoll that day...
4:00 on here: watch?v=nCdW8GntC-0
How could the police think the assassin fled over the railroad tracks? Gee, that's a helluva jump down from the 6th floor of the TSBD, where all the shots came from, right dumbass?
Face it, you are a gutless, lying disinformation agent troll who is in complete denial. Look in the mirror and wave to cdthimbleprick for us, you pathetic steaming pile of shit.
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago 4
Vinny, how many of the people among your earwitnesses stated they heard shots from TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS?
Hint: it's less than 5
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
What part of "WHO GIVES A FUCK" about how many people heard shots two different directions don't you understand?
READ CAREFULLY ---> Two shots in rapid succession = 2 DIFFERENT WEAPONS = more than one shooter = CONSPIRACY = your lone nut fairy tale is just that. Got that you pathetic delusional shill?
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago
Yeah, but the only source for these "2 shots in rapid succession" is the roundly rebuked "acoustic evidence" and an extremely unlikely interpretation of the Z-film.
WHERE the shots came from is just as important as how many, and how far apart.
And you yourself were the one who introduced eyewitness testimony as "proof" of a grassy knoll shooter.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
"the only source for these "2 shots... acoustic evidence"
BULLSHIT! Did you watch this video? What about what THE MULTIPLE WITNESSES like Bowers and others SAID?
Either you're in complete denial or a very incompetent disinformation agent. Either way you fail again.
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago 2
Bowers? Seriously? That's your rebuttal? The guy didn't see shit, and only vaguely associated the sounds of the gunfire as coming from either the TSBD or the Triple Underpass (per his sworn WC testimony). Please try again, and do specify what witnesses you're quoting.
By the way, you're going right back into "quoting eyewitness testimony" which, if we take them all at their word, can't POSSIBLY all be correct. I thought you said earwitness testimony fell into the "who gives a fuck" category?
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
"The guy didn't see shit"
Since when do you have to "see" to HEAR?
"can't POSSIBLY all be correct"
Of course not. The only witnesses that can be believed are the ones who heard shots from the TSBD, or can see through walls at 100 yards like Howard "X-Ray Vision" Brennan, right you delusional dumbass?
Fact is if only ONE of the knoll shot witnesses or rapid succession shot witnesses is right, YOU'RE WRONG, and the WCR is a fable.
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago 3
Vinnie-Bait-Boy ...
Brennan was about 100 feet directly across from the TSBD & 60 feet below the window. How is this "300 yards"? From his vantage point he was looking straight at whomever was in that window.
Here I disagree with Shutter, re: Bowers, in that it's his hearing I question - not his eyes. He was only vaguely aware of the JFK parade and wasn't listening closely. But upon hearing something he Did turn to see a lot attendant and a bystander by the overpass. (If memory serves)
Feanor
10Feanor 2 years ago
oops, so sorry.
I meant to say: "How is this: 100 yards?"
10Feanor 2 years ago
"How is this "300 yards"?"
READ WHAT I WROTE DUMBASS...
"...can see through walls at 100 yards like Howard "X-Ray Vision" Brennan"
Now, where in that statement did I write "300 yards"? You might want to get your facts straight before you start calling someone else out on there's, mmmmmkay?
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago 2
Wow, so now you are disregarding 10Feanor's (almost immediate) correction of his typo?
You certainly do suck a particular kind of ass at debating. I'd be tempted to cut you off at the knees, but as you're such an effective "poster boy for the opposition" I'm content to let you wallow.
Challenge: find someone with worthwhile credentials willing to take your side completely. No time limit.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Umm, if you're going by what Bowers "heard," then you're relegated to either the triple underpass tunnel, or the TSBD. His statements about seeing "smoke or a flash of light" didn't come about until Mark "I worked for Rev. Jim Jones" Lane coaxed it out of him a few years later. And if you've visted Dealey Plaza, I'm sure you'd agree that Bowers' tower is a TERRIBLE location from which to hear anything.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
"Fact is if only ONE of the knoll shot witnesses or rapid succession shot witnesses is right, YOU'RE WRONG, and the WCR is a fable."
Tell you what, let's count how many witnesses heard "three shots, all from the TSBD" versus "whatever your theory is" and we'll see who wins.
Hint:
"3 shots from Knoll" = you lose
"4 shots from Knoll" = you lose
"4 shots, 1 from Knoll, 3 from TSBD" = you lose
"4 or more shots, any locations" = you lose
Tell me how credible Jean Hill and Skinny Holland are.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
"and we'll see who wins. "
Common sense wins., which means YOU LOSE. Again, ALL the witnesses that heard a shot from the knoll and/or shots in rapid succession must be wrong for you to be right. Now, answer the simple question... how likely is that?
Again, YOU FAIL
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago 3
Your grasp of logic and statistics has left me vanquished.
I love your idea that you need only prove ONE of "my" witnesses wrong to be vindicated, but that it's somehow both necessary and "unlikely" that I prove ALL of "your" witnesses to be wrong.
Just to simplify things a bit: YES, I BELIEVE THAT ANYONE WHO HEARD SHOTS FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL WERE MISTAKEN.
Keep in mind, it's not just ME that's saying they're wrong. It's the MAJORITY of other witnesses who heard only shots from the TSBD.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
How many drugs are you on? Where did I say I proving ONE of your witnesses wrong vindicates me? You're so busy spreading your disinformation bullshit here under your many sock puppet aliases that you can't even keep your lies straight.
You're a fucking fool. Glad to have exposed you.
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago
So, your crusade against Howard Brennan was merely a "chipping away" at the eyewitness testimony? Seems to me that you've made quite a big stink over discrediting him, though you're ready to accept the grassy knoll witnesses at their word.
You also made it clear that you're only required to prove ONE grassy knoll witness correct, which imposes a burden of proving ALL of my witnesses correct (since they disagree with yours) Remember: only 4 witnesses heard shots from 2 directions.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
"your crusade against Howard Brennan"
Hey dumbass, HSCA council Robert Tannenbaum didn't believe Brennan's lying bullshit either. He also wasn't happy about what "official" facts he was presented with either.
watch?v=qd6WDd0kUPo
Of course he's on your list of people without worthwhile credentials, right?
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago 3
I don't see anything in that video indicating that Tannenbaum disbelieved Brennan. But would you be comfortable with me providing a list of facts that the committe of which he was a part (the HSCA) *did* believe? And by all means, feel free to question Brennan's integrity. At no point has my case hinged on his testimony, to be honest.
Frankly, Tannenbaum's whole demeanor, to me, appears to be questionable. He claimed to have seen photos of LHO, Shaw, and Ferrie together, fer chrissakes.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
"...photos of LHO, Shaw, and Ferrie together"
Indeed. Your LNSS posterchild Posner somehow couldn't find the evidence of LHO & Ferrie together. Too bad it was in fact produced by PBS Frontline with INDISPUTABLE evidence...
watch?v=6M9ff6FK-CM
Ooops! I'm tired of educating you. (re: The "monkey "and the "football") Get a clue and get back to me when you have something worthwhile to say. Until then let the adults discuss the JFK matter.
Sad face by ShutterBun The LNSS Shill here --> :-(
VinnyVoom444 2 years ago 2
I have a feeling I know what photo you're linking to, and without checking, I'll just ask: where is SHAW in that photo? (quick guess: nowhere)
But hey, I'm convinced. Now let's see how many other people Oswald was photographed within EIGHT YEARS of the assassination, and see how we can tie them into it.
Has anyone ever investigated that couple who snapped a picture of him in Minsk? Let's bring them in...
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Gotta love ya, Vinny. I ask for a picture of Shaw, Oswald, and Ferrie together, and you think you're "educating" me by showing a well-known picture from Frontline, taken when Oswald was a teenager. Don't tell me: next you'll present the photos of Clay Shaw at a Mardi Gras party with someone who "looks like Ferrie" (but who isn't)
That you're willing to support an investigation that virtually ALL conspiracy researchers have disavowed only shows the depths some are willing to sink to.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Vinny
You're wallowing in the mud with pigs. Nothing any witness says is sufficient to prove anything. The way to get out of the mud and to speak of truth, not guesses, not theories but FACTS is to understand the time spacing of the last three shots was measured by two INDEPENDENT means, the Zapruder film AND the only sound recording.
Showing that is consistent with what some witnesses heard is also relevant as it seals the deal.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
How or when did Connolly get hit in the wrist? And by who
ignatiusjk 2 years ago
Connally was hit in the back at Z325 (a split second after JFK was shot in the head). The shot was fired from the TSBD (above and behind the limo), the bullet passed through Connally's chest with an exit wound the size of a baseball, the bullet then hit his right wrist which was located in front of his chest.
The shot at Z325 was the fifth shot fired per the acoustic evidence. Per the acoustic evidence, three shots were fired from behind from the TSBD, shots 1, 3 and 5.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
You cannot possibly be serious. Have you got anything besides the (thoroughly debunked) acoustic evidence to base this claim on?
Also, any reason why you have ascribed a 5th shot to the acoustic evidence, which even the HSCA wasn't willing to do?
Extra credit: how do you account for your GROSSLY mis-timed wounding of Connally at frame 325? That's the first time I've heard that theory, and it's a doozy.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Base this on?
You can easily see it (Connally could not have moved his head that fast after Z325 AND that is the time THE FORCE OF THE BULLET BENT ME OVER
The sounds were recorded and prove that the last two shots were BANG-BANG
People heard BANG-BANG and go against a corrupt government that is still lying to hide the truth.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Nice video
diamondcalves 2 years ago
im makes tones of sence now theyre were 3 shooters.
collinsblockfilms 2 years ago 2
Correct.
If the single bullet THEORY is incorrect, and I show it is not correct, then there had to be more than 4 shots, in fact the acoustic evidence, the sound recording shows that there were FIVE SHOTS (and possibly six shots fired).
We've been told so many incorrect things about the assassination that it will take time for you to understand what actually happened. Start by understanding BANG-BANG, the rest will make sense when I tell you more about WHO and WHY !
Regards
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Nice video. Just remember the Costner movie wa inacurate in ....I think it was. the seating position on the guy that got shot I have it on night line video tape but I wont throw out the baby with the dirty baby water. Satan is in the gorvernment the bible says and fools think 911 was not a scam??????/
diamondcalves 2 years ago
good video, It's nice to know their are people who have a brain and or interested in the truth, I recently had a comments debate with a Warren Commission apologist on the "The Men That Killed Kennedy," video, it was a waste of time and gave me a headache.
cbat36 2 years ago
Do you think that the Zapruder film was in any way forged ? I always wonder what happened to other films and pictures that were took this day.
ccnmatthews 2 years ago
We have all kinds of witnesses who say that they saw a massive wound to the back of JFK's head.
The Zapruder film does not show a large wound in the back of JFK's head. There are many other discrepancies. Look at The Zapruder-Truth or Deception. You'll see they show plenty of reasons that the film is obviously forged.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Nice video. How do we know that Connelly wasn't injured by the shot that went through JFK's neck? He turns and looks like he is in pain at that point.
flapjack9999 2 years ago
Great video. If there had not been a cover-up by the government there would have been no need to lie. The film tells the story, they werent counting on digital technology !
Good job.
Peace,
T
sweettina2 2 years ago 2
It is so amazing that we are supposed to believe the single bullet theory, how can anyone even consider this!!!!?
longboi100 2 years ago 2
"We are supposed to believe the SBT"
Now you are starting to get it, it's not a mistake, the SBT is a lie, the truth is so dangerous to some that the government must lie to hide the truth.
The Acoustic Evidence tells us exactly where two of the shooters were, it tells us that there was a conspiracy, it tells us that either the investigations were done by idiots or else the BIG LIE.
You'll finally understand this puzzle when you see who ordered the killing and how the cover up was done.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
What I meant to say was that I support you, I mean no disrespect
MrBlackhawk2010 2 years ago
I was just trying to point out this is not a "theory" it's a fact, the last two shots were BANG-BANG, the acoustic evidence shows the odds are well over a million to one that is what happened.
How could so many get this wrong which fooled everyone else? Simple, but first you need to know a few more facts. One day you'll say this should have been obvious, and it will be.
It's important you know the truth just as it is important to the liars you do not know, I only win if you understand.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
wow, until now I believed in the single bullet theory, but I never belived that Oswald was the only shooter,now I belived that there is definate proof that there was more than one shooter. there is no way Oswald could have fired those two shots so close together with a bolt action rifle.
Thank you SCGATOR2001, I support your theories now
MrBlackhawk2010 2 years ago 2
Thank you for taking the time to understand. It's important that WE get others to understand, a government cannot have the latitude to lie like this.
The rest of the story is the reason for the lies, the government and the press will go to any extreme to hide the truth, you've noticed, haven't you?
Start thinking about WHY the lies have been told and it probably won't take you long to figure WHO, AND WHY JFK was killed.
The TRUTH really will set you free.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Quit saying "theories!"
It's not a theory, it's been proven. The odds that noise was mistaken for gunfire on the recording are astronomical because the scientists used the many echoes to pinpoint the location of the shooters. The grassy knoll shot had 26 reflections spaced in just the right way to uniquely show WHERE THE SHOOTER WAS!
Nobody has previously identified 4.8 seconds AND 0.7 seconds. When you add that to the probability equation astronomical probabilities resultl!
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
ecxellent video man, your right when the witnesses the audio and the video match up you know it's true.
plus the footage of the secret service taking there men from the back of kennedys car proves they were involved or gave the assasin every chance to get the job done
SONofEIRE1987 2 years ago
The secret service men who did not ride on the back of the limo: Possibly LBJ said something to get that done, it may not have been the Secret Service.
There's another video floating around of LBJ wanting Jackie to ride WITH HIM! There's no doubt about LBJ's role in this.
The audio, video AND some witnesses match., now it all makes sense. Bugliosi said a conspiracy could never happen but he's never seen a classified document, he's always been a lawyer. He can't comprehend CO saying SHUT UP!
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
I mean two shooters in front; and, indeed, the shooter in back.
animaldegalaxia1 2 years ago
Look at my video above. It proves that the acoustic evidence DID RECORD THE SOUNDS OF THE SHOOTING!!!!
With that information you know that the 4th shot was the one that hit President Kennedy in the head, it was fired from the grassy knoll with odds well over a million to one, so why are you excited about seeing the hole in the windshield? I have two other videos that shows witnesses saying there was a clean bullet hole in the windshield.. The Grassy knoll shot did not hit the windshield!
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Bill: I am pretty sure that in 1:29.5 we can see the windshield broken glass from front to rear. So that means that THERE WHERE AT LEAST TWO SHOOTERS!!!
animaldegalaxia1 2 years ago
If you think you see the hole in the windshield that doesn't PROVE a shot was fired from front.
The acoustic analysis of the sounds of the shots, 4.8 seconds and 0.7 seconds proves that the shots were recorded. Once you know the sounds of the shots were recorded, then you KNOW WHERE THE SHOOTERS were located IF they fired test shots from that location.
The acoustic evidence proves conspiracy. Now you have two possibilities:
1. Gov't = idiots
2. Gov't LIED.
Why did they lie?
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
This is great work! You had replied to my video on D.B. Thomas saying that the SBT can't be right. I think DB Thomas suspected the SBT might be accurate but was not married to it. I don't believe, however, that the Z film has been altered. In that still you give you'll notice that the "Babushka" lady and her friend only appear larger because they are not covered by a vehicle. If you compare the size of JFKs head (and Jackie) with the witnesses you'll see they are bigger.
PabloPena108 2 years ago
The Zapruder film had to be altered. The acoustic evidence is valid for many reasons but the easiest to see are 4.8 seconds followed by 0.7 seconds both in the Zapruder film and the acoustic evidence. The Z film had to hide two things: The massive wound to the back of JFK's head and the shot to Connally 0.7 seconds after JFK's head shot. The altered Z film hid both.
The odds alone (per Thomas) are over 100,000 to one that the shot to JFK's head came from the front, not noise but gunshots
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
The original black in white film shows exactly what SCGATOR2001 is talking about. I have noticed that somehow the one of the color film versions has been altered to prevent anyone from seeing this
MICHAEL1110367 2 years ago
That means something: Somebody gave him the order to bend or he knew that something was going to happend...
animaldegalaxia1 2 years ago
You need to know other facts before you conclude that the secret service agent knew something was going to happen.
I am quite sure Roy Kellerman who sat directly in front of Connally did not know about the shooting beforehand. When you see additional facts you'll probably agree with me.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
@SCGATOR2001 Gator, please look at your You Tube Message "In Box". I sent you a "shot timing scenario" that I would very much like to have your opinion on. I have been studying various "info" on this topic for about 40 years.
buckl55 1 year ago
@buckl55 The response was sent to you earlier. Nobody will at first believe there is a SIMPLE solution to the "mystery."
You see it's not a mystery, it's a LIE and the lies are now transparent. The truth will start to be clear to you once you understand there is overwhelming proof the last two shots were fired 0.7 seconds apart. You can see it in the Z film, witnesses heard BANG-BANG and it makes sense. To seal the deal you need to see all FIVE shots have effects that can be identified!
SCGATOR2001 1 year ago
And, Bill: The bodyguard ¡¡¡BENDS OVER HIMSELF INSTEAD TO JUMP OVER THE PRESIDENT!!!
animaldegalaxia1 2 years ago
LBJ ordered it. Good video!
usgop 2 years ago
Dan Rather is a total TOOL of the NWO. He got really ticked off when they ditched him, like so much garbage. The shocker is how he thought so wrongly that the NWO cares about any of its tools.
There are a million tools ready, willing able able to take the place of used up, rusty ones.
anyusmoon1 2 years ago 2
Btw Good work SCGATOR2001
SteeAsp 2 years ago
This is the typical conspiracy video. ignores the great body of evidence that shows it was Oswald alone, and uses the witnsses who says what he wants to hear. He quotesKinney, but of course uses a vague statement..
He claims that Conn didn't get hit until after the head shot but ignores that you can see Connally's lapel fly up when he is wounded at the same time JFK was.
All Conn can tell us is when he felt the shot, Reagan never knew he was hit until the hospital.
arther1045 2 years ago
Scgat..One more time, if Connally wasn't wounded until you say he was, why did his jacket lapel fly up at the same time the WC and the HSCA said he was hit?
arther1045 2 years ago
notice how this video quotes Connally when Connally says what the video maker wants to hear, but ignores what Connally says that isn't what he wants to hear. Both Connally's said the Gov felt the wound before JFK's head shot. This video totally ignores that and ignores every witnsses who says the shots were not within a matter of a second. Also you can't be sure what right on top of each other means.
And one more time, why did Coannaly's lapel fly up just as JFK was hit the first time?
arther1045 2 years ago
another thing the video maker completely ignores is the fact that when JFK was first hit he went foward, and then backwards.This is a fact proven by individual frames. The video maker ignores this because it doesn't fit his theory.
arther1045 2 years ago
There is a conspiracy and its an been ongoing conspriacy throughout time, but its so vast and unbelievable that the human conditioned, programmed mind
cannot fathom it in their mind controlled
state.......some people on this planet/dimension are being awakened
on many levels of awareness......while the
rest label us in their hypnosis state of ignorance....mad.
Why are presidents chosen by their bloodline and are related distantly to royalty....why is that???????
SteeAsp 2 years ago
Never believed the "Warren Commission" findings. The one thing your video showed (besides proving the spacing of the last 2 shots) -- was how incredibly close Jackie was to his head when he was shot. It's usually gone through so quickly you don't see it. She had to have FELT the bullet whiz past her almost THROUGH her bangs, as she was RIGHT in front of his face when he was shot. Must've been a really good sniper to miss her, and hit him - definitely NOT Oswald -- no way.
LibertyRocks 2 years ago
Jackie's head close to being hit?
This was one of the "finding's" of INSIDE THE TARGET CAR shown Nov 2008. BUT Jackie's head was not in the line of fire, the actors who under the direction of Gary Mack showed that Jackie would have been hit were not properly placed.
The shot to JFK's head hit him in the back of the right ear and exited the right back of his head, leaving a massive hole about the size of a fist. The shooter from the front could easily see Jackie would not have been hit.
SCGATOR2001 2 years ago
Best presentation I've seen yet, in its simplicity, it shows clearly that Oswald wasn't the only shooter, even if he was one of them, and not just the patsy many believe he was.
What convinced me, early on, was the assassination of Bobby. Two Kennedys?
No, it wasn't LBJ. The people who had Kennedy killed think much further ahead than most of us. Nixon was a protege of Prescott Bush. Poppy Bush was in the CIA when JFK was killed, though he denies it. FOIA has proven differently.
truthhijacked 2 years ago 2