Star Trek ships are far more advanced with weapons and shield tech. But Star Wars ships can go faster. Wile Voyager (One of the Federations fastest ships) would take over 70 years to fly from the Delta quadrant back to the Alpha quadrant, it would take any Hyper drive ship in Star Wars to go that far in as little as a day.
So wile Trek ships are more powerful, They would never be able to CATCH the Star Wars ships at Warp. So its a draw. XD
@Spotcats No, Ha Solo clearly said point-five PAST lightspeed. Past implies speed, not engine type.
So the Star Wars galaxy is .03 lightyears across. Star Trek's galaxy is ours, which is 600,000 lightyears across. Besides, why would Star Trek chase the Empire anyway? It's the other wy around.
Star Trek's U.S.S. Enterprise can easily destroy continents, and can level an M-class planet's surface with just it's phasers, as per the Original Series episodes "the Cage", "Mirror, Mirror", and "A Taste of Armageddon". The old Enterprise is 86 years old in Trek time, making it very outdated. It has also easily survived high-heat-plasma weapons. (ST:TMP)
@smokey1811 Lemme guess: they only looked at the movies. There are 1700+ Star Trek episodes, and the franchise has constantly grown larger since 1965. What sites did you look at? And how much Star Trek did they tally?
well here's the one and only star wars wins argument that can be thought of as remotely acceptable: the federation happens about 250+ years from now, and a long long time ago the wars guys had a head start.
assuming you're rooting for a bunch of alien freaks from another galaxy ya commie traitors.
star trek wouldn't bother invading star wars because they'd rather be buds, and star wars wouldn't bother invading star trek because the galactic barrier would tear their ships to shreds. it's a primitive culture of geeks, living on a backwards little blue-green planet that hasn't even mastered interstellar flight that even bothers with this nonsense argument about two civilizations on opposite ends of history from it, EVEN ASSUMING EITHER WERE MORE THAN FICTION.
Err..arent all the weapons in star wars lasers? Im pretty sure there is an episode of TNG where worf says a ship is armed with lasers and everyone on the bridge scoffs in derision. One guy says "that cant even penetrate our navigational shields" or something to that effect.
if someone can show me in the movies where it is mentioned how much power star wars weapons yield. Then I can accept all this blather about suped up weapons. Then you will have made it to the star trek level of canon acceptance. Books written by people with little or no regard for the special effects or dialog of the Star Wars movies simply DON'T COUNT!!!! in the Star Trek world. So stop trying sell the trekkies your stats don't make it by there rules.
@thefinalfrontier1701 hardly, but when it comes to this particular subject I am most certainly correct, those who believe the federation would win are either unfamiliar with the stats or refuse to acknowledge them due to personal bias.
@bengie11000 photon torpedoes even in the TNG era only have a yield of 24 megatons each.
Medium turbolasers have a yield of 200,000 megatons per shot, and even ships that aren't designed for combat have 12 of em on super-firing turrets, while the Constitution only has 3-4 (2 front, 1-2 aft).
an ISD has a total firepower of roughly 800,000,000 megatons a second spread across all it's guns, and can withstand that same firepower on it's shields for half an hour straight.
It is simple, it is two different time periods,in two different parts of Space. We may find that Galaxy one day, but it would be FAR past the days of Vader.
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Comparing the two universes is like comparing apples and oranges. The Star Wars writers don't use Star Trek physics as a reference, nor vice versa. Without actually building the ships in reality and sending the crews to do war on each other, there is no common reference point. Therefore the whole discussion is pointless. (And for the record, I'm a fan of both Star Wars and Star Trek. Hell, I'm a fan of sci-fi in general.)
actually there ARE common reference points, both series use Joules, Watts, G acceleration, multiples/fractions of C and Megatons as units of Measurement. in fact, most sci-fi use these units to describe their ships, and if each one is known than comparisons CAN be made. as a result, we can get the following tiers from weakest sci-fi to strongest. Battlestar Galactica Babylon 5 Star Trek Star Gate (as of this comment) Andromeda Star Wars Doctor Who (Time War)
Oh, certainly they use the same units of measurement - I don't dispute that. However, none of them was using the stats of another when coming up with their numbers; that was more my point.
Each universe has its own discrete laws of physics - Star Trek's phasers are several times more powerful than a laser, but in Star Wars, laser-based technology is the most prevalent weapons system.
(I doubt SW really uses lasers, as they don't behave as real-world lasers do, but that's beside the point.)
that's more of a civilization difference than a fundamental law of physics, in Trek, they encountered a race that used Ion engines with performance far higher than their Impulse engines.
different races having technology in different orders makes more sense than a single all encompassing tech tree like Trek.
it's no surprise that 2 civilizations that never met each other would have wildly different stats and capabilities that doesn't mean comparing them is pointless.
Q wouldn't care enough to bother, and the Empire has more than enough power to eliminate all of starfleet with a single Star Destroyer.
photon torpedoes = 48 megatons (64 at 100% efficiency, but they are only 74% efficient) and explode in all directions so only 24 megatons impacts the target.
Medium Turbolasers = 200,000 megatons, focused into an extremely small blast, similar to the Yamato cannon from Starcraft.
you only need to look at their respective Tech books to figure that out.
Star Wars Complete Cross Sections
and
Star Wars Complete Locations
Star Trek TNG Technical Manual
and
Star Trek DS9 Technical Manual
when you compare the stats given in those books alone, you will find that the Empire is more powerful than any other corporeal Civilization in Star Trek.
Na, the Borg would adapt. Remember, the Borg adapt shields to the weapons that are used. Star Wars dont have modulating frequencies like Star Trek. 2 shots and they would adapt to all their weapons. They would turn Darth Vader into a drone. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.
also, it's unbelievably stupid to assume that shields several million times stronger than anything the Borg have could be circumvented by finding out the "Frequency" of those shields even if they HAD one...
that trick only works on races that have similar to, or less than the power generation capabilities of the Borg, any race that can generate substantially more power can and indeed has been shown to be flat out immune to Borg assimilation.
also, Neutronium is something the Borg have never been able to reproduce. the Empire uses it to make Durasteel, a carbon Neutronium alloy similar to that used on the Dyson Sphere.
Slipstream is similarly beyond Borg technology, since they are stuck with the much slower Transwarp.
Hyperdrive is even FASTER than slipstream by a factor of anywhere from 10 to 100, depending on the grade of hyperdrive in question.
That would be like saying Da Vinci could build an F-22 if he just studied it long enough. Assimilation isn't a 'super-power' like you Trekkies seem to think. It's an ability, with limitations. Fortunately for the Empire, they have about 20,000 years more experience with metalurgy and physics to safely tread Borg territory without fear of assimilation.
Oh im sorry, was I keeping you from your afternoon cartoons? My apologizes. When did I say assimilation was a super power? Yes it is an ability, think of it as rapid evolution. I still think the results would be the same in the Star Wars universe. And for your comment, I believe anyone could build anything if they studied it long enough and had the means to do it.
Really? Then give a tribe of Zulus the plans to an Iowa-class battleship.
Assimilation isn't a superpower, but you Trekkies treat it as such. Even if a civilization has *thousands* of years worth of advancement, you seem to think it's all a matter of studying it. In order for the Borg to assimilate something they'd have to have a technology which is close enough to have a frame of reference.
When you consider species 8472, it's obvious the Borg can't assimilate everything.
@millenniumfalsehood With regard to assimilation, when the Borg assimilate a species, they not only take the technology but also the knowledge of the fundamental theories that govern the operation and construction of it too. In this way, they can fully understand something new to them in a matter of seconds and adapt.
The Borg couldn't beat Species 8472 because they could not assimilate the bodies of the species themselves, thus they couldn't gain access to their knowledge (& thus the tech)
Starcraft? seriously? um, Star Wars beats the living crap out of Starcraft with ease. a Terran Battlecruiser is a POS compared to even an Acclamator...
Star Trek ships are far more advanced with weapons and shield tech. But Star Wars ships can go faster. Wile Voyager (One of the Federations fastest ships) would take over 70 years to fly from the Delta quadrant back to the Alpha quadrant, it would take any Hyper drive ship in Star Wars to go that far in as little as a day.
So wile Trek ships are more powerful, They would never be able to CATCH the Star Wars ships at Warp. So its a draw. XD
Spotcats 3 months ago
@Spotcats No, Ha Solo clearly said point-five PAST lightspeed. Past implies speed, not engine type.
So the Star Wars galaxy is .03 lightyears across. Star Trek's galaxy is ours, which is 600,000 lightyears across. Besides, why would Star Trek chase the Empire anyway? It's the other wy around.
Idazmi7 3 weeks ago
the star destroyer is invincible but if you torpedo the sphere shaped things on top of the control room or bridge then it will be vulnerable
Sonichedge65 3 months ago
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Star Trek's U.S.S. Enterprise can easily destroy continents, and can level an M-class planet's surface with just it's phasers, as per the Original Series episodes "the Cage", "Mirror, Mirror", and "A Taste of Armageddon". The old Enterprise is 86 years old in Trek time, making it very outdated. It has also easily survived high-heat-plasma weapons. (ST:TMP)
Idazmi7 4 months ago
omg for something simple that's classic, its like badly done but humorous way to spend 30 seconds ahaha
KAPITANRHYS 5 months ago
starwars has made over 5 billion dollers while star trec only makes about 100 million dollers
smokey1811 8 months ago
@smokey1811 Look again.
Idazmi7 4 months ago
@Idazmi7 i did on about 20 diffrent sights they all say the same STARWARS MAKES MORE.
smokey1811 4 months ago
@smokey1811 Lemme guess: they only looked at the movies. There are 1700+ Star Trek episodes, and the franchise has constantly grown larger since 1965. What sites did you look at? And how much Star Trek did they tally?
Idazmi7 4 months ago
One more wanker's wet dream.....
postalmeter 8 months ago
well here's the one and only star wars wins argument that can be thought of as remotely acceptable: the federation happens about 250+ years from now, and a long long time ago the wars guys had a head start.
assuming you're rooting for a bunch of alien freaks from another galaxy ya commie traitors.
adamflux2 8 months ago
star trek wouldn't bother invading star wars because they'd rather be buds, and star wars wouldn't bother invading star trek because the galactic barrier would tear their ships to shreds. it's a primitive culture of geeks, living on a backwards little blue-green planet that hasn't even mastered interstellar flight that even bothers with this nonsense argument about two civilizations on opposite ends of history from it, EVEN ASSUMING EITHER WERE MORE THAN FICTION.
adamflux2 8 months ago
That was a very weak video and wasn't done very well. Mainly because Star Trek lost.
mknbfm 9 months ago
lame
bigdaveking 9 months ago
Err..arent all the weapons in star wars lasers? Im pretty sure there is an episode of TNG where worf says a ship is armed with lasers and everyone on the bridge scoffs in derision. One guy says "that cant even penetrate our navigational shields" or something to that effect.
Nonsensei436 9 months ago
sliding pictures...that's a fail.
saquist 1 year ago
if someone can show me in the movies where it is mentioned how much power star wars weapons yield. Then I can accept all this blather about suped up weapons. Then you will have made it to the star trek level of canon acceptance. Books written by people with little or no regard for the special effects or dialog of the Star Wars movies simply DON'T COUNT!!!! in the Star Trek world. So stop trying sell the trekkies your stats don't make it by there rules.
woofdogmeow 1 year ago
Star trek has the Q continuum so we still win.
mackster0010 1 year ago
@mackster0010 the force still wins....
Delta2357 1 year ago
@mackster0010 the Q wouldn't care enough to interfere.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion I'm glad you think your always right and everyone else is wrong.
thefinalfrontier1701 1 year ago
@thefinalfrontier1701 hardly, but when it comes to this particular subject I am most certainly correct, those who believe the federation would win are either unfamiliar with the stats or refuse to acknowledge them due to personal bias.
Perion 1 year ago
FINALLY somebody settled the debate. it's finally over!
Gogloplex 1 year ago
The Constitution Refit would have won with no trouble, It would take 3 shots just to take out its shield ans it has Torpedoes
You are stupid!!
bengie11000 1 year ago
@bengie11000 photon torpedoes even in the TNG era only have a yield of 24 megatons each.
Medium turbolasers have a yield of 200,000 megatons per shot, and even ships that aren't designed for combat have 12 of em on super-firing turrets, while the Constitution only has 3-4 (2 front, 1-2 aft).
an ISD has a total firepower of roughly 800,000,000 megatons a second spread across all it's guns, and can withstand that same firepower on it's shields for half an hour straight.
Perion 1 year ago
The person who made this video must have brain damage.
fpsBeaTt 1 year ago
It is simple, it is two different time periods,in two different parts of Space. We may find that Galaxy one day, but it would be FAR past the days of Vader.
ART1975CZ 2 years ago
this video is...
dumb.
ghengishermitjon 2 years ago
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Comparing the two universes is like comparing apples and oranges. The Star Wars writers don't use Star Trek physics as a reference, nor vice versa. Without actually building the ships in reality and sending the crews to do war on each other, there is no common reference point. Therefore the whole discussion is pointless. (And for the record, I'm a fan of both Star Wars and Star Trek. Hell, I'm a fan of sci-fi in general.)
kantlavar 2 years ago
Perion 2 years ago
Oh, certainly they use the same units of measurement - I don't dispute that. However, none of them was using the stats of another when coming up with their numbers; that was more my point.
Each universe has its own discrete laws of physics - Star Trek's phasers are several times more powerful than a laser, but in Star Wars, laser-based technology is the most prevalent weapons system.
(I doubt SW really uses lasers, as they don't behave as real-world lasers do, but that's beside the point.)
kantlavar 2 years ago
that's more of a civilization difference than a fundamental law of physics, in Trek, they encountered a race that used Ion engines with performance far higher than their Impulse engines.
different races having technology in different orders makes more sense than a single all encompassing tech tree like Trek.
it's no surprise that 2 civilizations that never met each other would have wildly different stats and capabilities that doesn't mean comparing them is pointless.
Perion 2 years ago
Q wouldn't care enough to bother, and the Empire has more than enough power to eliminate all of starfleet with a single Star Destroyer.
photon torpedoes = 48 megatons (64 at 100% efficiency, but they are only 74% efficient) and explode in all directions so only 24 megatons impacts the target.
Medium Turbolasers = 200,000 megatons, focused into an extremely small blast, similar to the Yamato cannon from Starcraft.
Perion 2 years ago 2
you only need to look at their respective Tech books to figure that out.
Star Wars Complete Cross Sections
and
Star Wars Complete Locations
Star Trek TNG Technical Manual
and
Star Trek DS9 Technical Manual
when you compare the stats given in those books alone, you will find that the Empire is more powerful than any other corporeal Civilization in Star Trek.
Perion 2 years ago
Oh well, let them take on the Borg! :)
dhart1977 2 years ago
with pleasure, it's time the galaxy realized just how little of a threat the Borg truly are.
Perion 2 years ago 3
Na, the Borg would adapt. Remember, the Borg adapt shields to the weapons that are used. Star Wars dont have modulating frequencies like Star Trek. 2 shots and they would adapt to all their weapons. They would turn Darth Vader into a drone. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.
dhart1977 2 years ago
Star Wars don't have modulating shield and weapon Frequencies because they don't have shield and weapon Frequencies PERIOD,
not only that, but there are large numbers of Mass Driver weapons to be used, and the Borg cannot adapt to physical projectiles.
Ion Cannons are more powerful than Any Ion Storm, which can cripple borg ships.
Turbolaser shots are more powerful than the Solar Flare that destroyed the Borg ship in Descent,
Assimilation is Futile, you will be resisted.
Perion 2 years ago
also, it's unbelievably stupid to assume that shields several million times stronger than anything the Borg have could be circumvented by finding out the "Frequency" of those shields even if they HAD one...
that trick only works on races that have similar to, or less than the power generation capabilities of the Borg, any race that can generate substantially more power can and indeed has been shown to be flat out immune to Borg assimilation.
Perion 2 years ago 2
also, Neutronium is something the Borg have never been able to reproduce. the Empire uses it to make Durasteel, a carbon Neutronium alloy similar to that used on the Dyson Sphere.
Slipstream is similarly beyond Borg technology, since they are stuck with the much slower Transwarp.
Hyperdrive is even FASTER than slipstream by a factor of anywhere from 10 to 100, depending on the grade of hyperdrive in question.
Perion 2 years ago 2
That would be like saying Da Vinci could build an F-22 if he just studied it long enough. Assimilation isn't a 'super-power' like you Trekkies seem to think. It's an ability, with limitations. Fortunately for the Empire, they have about 20,000 years more experience with metalurgy and physics to safely tread Borg territory without fear of assimilation.
millenniumfalsehood 2 years ago
Wow, that was random and pointless. Oh well....
dhart1977 2 years ago
Which one was random and pointless? If you're going to be derisive, at least *direct* your comments. :rolleyes:
millenniumfalsehood 2 years ago
milleniumfalsehood, very well. I will point out how random and pointless your comments are milleniumfalsehood.
dhart1977 2 years ago
Still waiting dhart1977 . . . still waiting.
millenniumfalsehood 2 years ago 2
Oh im sorry, was I keeping you from your afternoon cartoons? My apologizes. When did I say assimilation was a super power? Yes it is an ability, think of it as rapid evolution. I still think the results would be the same in the Star Wars universe. And for your comment, I believe anyone could build anything if they studied it long enough and had the means to do it.
dhart1977 2 years ago
Really? Then give a tribe of Zulus the plans to an Iowa-class battleship.
Assimilation isn't a superpower, but you Trekkies treat it as such. Even if a civilization has *thousands* of years worth of advancement, you seem to think it's all a matter of studying it. In order for the Borg to assimilate something they'd have to have a technology which is close enough to have a frame of reference.
When you consider species 8472, it's obvious the Borg can't assimilate everything.
millenniumfalsehood 2 years ago 3
@millenniumfalsehood With regard to assimilation, when the Borg assimilate a species, they not only take the technology but also the knowledge of the fundamental theories that govern the operation and construction of it too. In this way, they can fully understand something new to them in a matter of seconds and adapt.
The Borg couldn't beat Species 8472 because they could not assimilate the bodies of the species themselves, thus they couldn't gain access to their knowledge (& thus the tech)
WROrchestra 11 months ago
When you can be defeated by Janeway and Voyager, you really *are* pathetic . . .
millenniumfalsehood 2 years ago
gay star trek owns all
mrmetao 2 years ago
The fucking deathstar didn't blow the bitches up!! o_o
lolze952608 2 years ago
well if all fighers fought they would stiil lose because of Q.
Next time consider Starcraft vs. Star wars
lolze952608 2 years ago
Starcraft? seriously? um, Star Wars beats the living crap out of Starcraft with ease. a Terran Battlecruiser is a POS compared to even an Acclamator...
Perion 2 years ago
@Perion not if wraiths came along and now star wars is dommed if starcraft 1 and 2 came together.
lol its funny becase 2 would kick the ass of 1
lolze952608 1 year ago
Wraiths can be wasted by nukes
As for Starcraft,
Imagine a ship with a Yamato canon that has the yield of hundreds of thousands of nuclear bombs rather than just a one kiloton / megaton level one.
Now imagine if that same ship could fire that weapon once every second for hours on end
now imagine that ship had dozens to hundreds of such weapons and shields that could withstand 30 minutes of fire from another ship of it's class.
You don't have to imagine it, it's called a Star Destroyer.
Perion 1 year ago
@Perion so true
Delta2357 1 year ago
OK, all Q has to do is flick his fingers and then the death star is destroyed. Its over Star Trek wins. Get over yourselves Star Wars fans.
forten78 2 years ago
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flicking fingers isnt that easy when a shot from the death star tha kills you is prepared to fire in 3 seconds.
tony38727 2 years ago
Q cant die he is omnipotent he is a GOD he can minipulate space and time
keridog1 2 years ago
is that why was wounded in "The Q and the Grey" ?
Perion 2 years ago
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HAH anyone that says star wars will win is a LIAR so IN UR FACE ALL U STAR WARS FANS YOU X:) STAR TREK RULES!!! HA HA HA HA.
FLAME4564 3 years ago 5
Ha HA HA FUNNY! {you have no life.}
tony38727 2 years ago
fucking a. star wars will all ways win
troymarten 3 years ago
No it won't.
Q will go like "Bye, mon emperor". *flicks fingers and Star Wars vanishes*
TehUberTrekkie 2 years ago
very cool. i like the effects
caleb121693 3 years ago 2