I really wish certain lutheran churches(ELCA) would change there names so we(LCMS) don't always get lumped in with the crazies. Whether he's right or not about the trends I don't know. It would make sense that some of the more liberal churches are seeking this as there leaders fall further from a strong hold on biblical doctrine. I still wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water though, some denominational churches are growing for the same reasons.
Seems a bit derisive that the only thing one thinks of Baptists is they dunk adults. T^hat is nopt taught in any Baptist chnurch I was ever a member of. It is called Believers Baptism which is-identifying one self as a Christian in the death burial and ressurection of Christ. It is a testimony of salvation. The pathetic thing is Christ commanded it to happen and in reality shows one thing-he does not really care about biblical distinctives when commanded by Christ!
Driscoll, who desperately needs "What Not To Wear" advice, doesn't know what he's talking about. He, and anyone, should begin by Googling the names of denominations to find out how they differ from each other.
I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, & that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind & the same judgment. For it has been reported to me…that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 1 Co 1:10f ESV
@claudius860 The catholic church today is entirely man made. Nowhere in the bible will you find any mention of the Pope, of nuns, of purgatory, of praying to saints, of infant baptism, of catechisms. The catholic church originally was simply known as the church. It originally was correct. Then people added their opinions, their thoughts, their rules, and basically, the catholic church has become modern-day pharisees. It's harsh to say, but it's very true.
@GazawayJD You can find multiple of those things in the Bible, although it may not be as explicit as you would like. Nowhere in the Bible will you find that everything must be in the Bible, however. Paul reminds us multiple time to hold fast to the Traditions that have been handed down to us from the apostles. Catholics continue to follow these Traditions. I pray that Christendom may once again be unified under Christ's One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
@GazawayJD Uniting under the Church Christ started and maintains through the Holy Spirit is uniting under Christ. Jesus prayed that all may be one as the Father and he are one in John 17. What does this mean to us today? It means that we should all examine the differences between ourselves and let Christ lead us into his Church.
Many people express the sentiment that you do, but it simply has no factual basis. All Catholic doctrine can be found from the very early days of the Church. God bless.
@pegcage You see, this is the problem with someone talking about something they don't actually understand. A wise man (Fulton Sheen) once said, "There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church — which is, of course, quite a different thing." Please learn about the Catholic Church before you spread things about it that aren't true. May God bless you and yours.
@pegcage What do you mean by 'No creed but Christ' - it sounds like an interesting piece of rhetoric, but it needs to be explained. For instance, are you perhaps saying that the Nicene Creed is unnecessary?
While some of what he is saying is true, much isn't. But he has never been part of a confessional communion - one which is founded on common belief. Much of what he is saying is a consequence of being in a non-confessing communion where belief is not the common bond.
Very insightful commentary! This is so true, Evangelicalism is a movement that is about networked institutions promoting experiential religion. Carl Trueman and D.G. Hart have said more or less the same thing, albeit from another perspective. Watching this I now realise how detrimental promoting this form of religion is. Faith in a feeling is no replacement for faith in the facts of the faith once given in the Scriptures, as expressed in out creeds and confessions. May God help us recover it!
@vidcodex09 ...... expression of creeds is just as empty as good feelings... if there is no action. Works without belief = death in ignorance, .. belief without work = knowledgable death. True religion, as the gospel speaks of is laid out in action, in love of the Father and in hope for His Salvation. High-minded theology of the Lutherans of Germany didnt spare them in the 1930s, or the "believers" in their genocides of the Native Peoples. Nope. Relationship with Christ is belief & action
@KeyboardPacifist I agree 100% with you - "Relationship with Christ is belief & action" where that belief is being united to Him in faith -faith that looks to Christ, not to a subjective feeling I experience. This is what the creeds express, e.g., "I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the Maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord". If we confess Him as "our Lord", then we will be subdued by Him as King and go on to do those good works prepared in advance for us.
@vidcodex09 Agreed, refinement to adoption is not subjective to empircal-emotions. Belief goes onto confession goes onto immersion in the Fruits of the Ruach hKodesh and everything that comes with that. We rightly confine the Gospel by the Apostolic Confession - but there is no such thing as confine the Right Hand of YHWH, experienced in 7-fold-Spirit/His Action. Seeing this, the disciples of Yeshua set up warnings against false signs and also, ways to expose counterfeit-Christs/ians.
Discerning (Isa.11:2-3/Heb 5:14) - past the belief, or confession (unless they directly reject the manifestion of Yeshua in the Flesh) - but look to the Fruit, see if it is manifest. Glossolia, healings, teachings, etc.. are advised to be tested by the elders (1Jn4:1)- but it is the Fruit that will expose them (eventually) - Eph.5:19-21.. of course, the two in question ("revellings" & "heresies). I make suspect the spirit and speak against the doer if the Fruit of the Flesh is manifest. Shalom
@vidcodex09 for me ,Jesus or Jeshua is the same today yesterday and for ever he Is the Lord of heaven manifested in the flesh not 2nd person or little god .He is Godhimself saving the world from sins
Typical Protestants ridiculing other Protestants for not subscribing to their particular brand of Christianity. Serious, Protestantism has become a splintered mess. Why do you criticise other people's faith? Does it make you feel more secure about your own?
Are we talking about non Christians or Atheists cause Atheists are purely ignorant. They get their questions answered but refuse to accept answers no mater who it is or how it is presented. They say there is no God. How do they know that? Please show me why you think there is no God? Christians proof is the word and all the physical proof from the Bible in areas around the world.
Why are there so many variations of religions all around the world ?? It is because they are all made up - man made fantasy stories and delusions. churches are a waste of building materials and utilities.
@jbjrsdbttdl You really have no idea what your saying. There are thousands of religions out there making billions of dollars each year. Religion is a man made, money making business. the evidence is there.
@jbjrsdbttdl You really have no idea what your saying. There are thousands of religions out there making billions of dollars each year. Religion is a man made, money making business. the evidence is there.
@liberatedvialove I think you missed the point. Religion has been the most influential belief system on planet earth and has taught billions of people to live in ignorance of many different religious doctrines that has caused massive contradiction and confusion.
You clearly have never actually explored for yourself to find out the truth.. And apparently you've never see the Grand Canyon, Niagara Falls, or even perhaps the stars on a clear night... Yeah, all those things just sprung up outta no where. You are the insane one, my friend.
The Grand Canyon, Niagara Falls were both formed by water erosion over millions of years. A star is a massive, luminous ball of plasma held together by gravity.
You should watch the Case for, series. Case for the Creator, Case for Christ... etc,...
If you put so much stock into Science... check them out... I think you'll be shocked by the Scientific evidence in them. But then again, you probably don't want to see the truth.... Your choice!
You clearly have never actually explored for yourself to find out the truth.. And apparently you've never see the Grand Canyon, Niagara Falls, or even perhaps the stars on a clear night... Yeah, all those things just sprung up outta no where. You are the insane one, my friend.
isnt this the guy who tried to be a stand up comic but people didnt like the jesus jokes so he decided to take his material to a church of young people who hated what their parents taught them and so he teaches whatever comes to his mind and says jesus with confidence and because these people are basicaly lazy anyway he knows they wont look it up? im sure this is the same guy.
You're an idiot, an clearly have never seen his sermons. He always backs up his talks with scripture. Investigate the evidence before you convict a suspect. . .
@CharlesAndHyde Excuse me! But where in scripture does it say jesus is watching you while you masterbate? always backs up his talks w/scripture. BULLSHIT! and your the idiot!!
The problem with non-denominational Christians is that they have a very loose and shallow understanding of basic theology, tenets and Christian philosophy. You might not agree with the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestants, but at least understand their ideas first. All too often non-denominational Christians mold religion to fit their own ideas and personal convictions. They also tend to do away with the "rules" that are too bothersome to follow...
I guess wayyyyy back then they started to impose rules and some people were like "HEY! This isn't very Christian!" And bounced. That is my clift notes version. But read up on it. There were A LOT of different reasons.
It is my desire to wear no other name than Christ’s and to be known simply as a Christian and a member of the body of Christ. You too can be just a Christian and serve God without belonging to any denomination bound by no denominational laws or obligations. In essentials unity, opinions liberty and in all things LOVE.
Christians disgree with non-Christians. That's fair enough. But non-Christians see Christians disagreeing between denominations, to the point of calling each other evil, or heretic, or un-saved. How would a non-Christian know which church to pick, when each is saying 'we're right, they're wrong', often at a very fundamental level.
@Mojosbigstick Look for a church that preaches about Jesus, and has Jesus as the foundation. I don't care what denomination my church is as long as they preach Jesus, which mine does. Look for a church that preaches Jesus, and check to see if what is preached about Jesus matches up with the Jesus of the Bible. Ask people who believe in Jesus, and are walking the walk.
@Mojosbigstick by the pillars of faith that a denomination has. Denominations can disagree with each other, but you will find that about all of them disagree on the most important point. The Holy Bible. Example. Most denominations/religions worship God on either Sunday (Most Protestant churches including Catholicism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons) and Friday (Islam) While the scripture clearly says the Seventh day is the day of the Lord (Ex. 20:8-11) That alone narrows things down. God bless
@Mojosbigstick If you're a non-Christian, by that very definition, you don't want Christ nor would you want to go to church with us. Only Christians want Christ. Non-Christians despise Christ and Christians, always have and always will. Jesus himself said if they hate me then they will hate you, too.
@Mojosbigstick Don't misunderstand, most denominations share the fundamental truths about Jesus. Most denominations believe Jesus is the Son of God, come to earth, died on a cross to pay the penalty of our sin, etc. They disagree on less important, non-salvation issues. If your including Mormons or Jehovah's Witness into "denominations" then your the one making the mistake. As both of those deny fundamental truths about the nature of Jesus and the Bible.
@Mojosbigstick I think shipleyshipster is trying to say that Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses aren't Christians, therefore the disagreement is still between Christians and non-Christians.
@Mojosbigstick maybe it's best to saty out of 'denominations' , meet with believers of the bible and see where the Holy Ghost leads it? Denominations are the most effective way to 'uphold' erroneous doctrines and understandings about what life as a christian is all about.
The verse in 2 John has strong language regarding us taking the lead without Christ teaching. The verses before mentioning losing a full reward. Pretty serious stuff. brotherfrank62 I agree with you that Lord can not be with believers that divide themselves because they are not abiding in Christ. People might be in denominations, but in no way do they feel divided by other believers outside their denomination because they either grew up in the denomination or joined the Church for other reasons.
Christians should not be divided into denominations. The bible says that if you are in a denomination, you are not walking for Jesus. As a matter of fact, the very word "denomination" is NOT listed one time in the entire bible.
You are right about Christians not being in denominations. But to declare they are not walking for Jesus? That's between them and the Lord, but sometimes people can tell by their fruits. Let's not walk for Jesus, let's walk with Jesus. Didn't people walk for Jesus in Matthew 7:21-23.
@elijah402 I am not giving my own opinion, I'm telling the world what the bible says. Read my comment again, I said the bible says if you're in a denomination you are not walking for Christ. Here are a few verses to show you.The first verse is 2John vers.9 that verse should be enough but people don't like to listen.Matt:7:21-22 is a good one,1 Corinthians chap:1 vers.10 this verse is enough to make anybody that's a Christian walk right,unless they are following their Pastor and not Christ..
@latinessa Spanish Inquisition bad? At least Christians cared what so called Christians believed. You confess to a priest because the Bible tells you so, just like Jews brought sin offering to priest in the Temple so we turn to the priesthood for confession. Mary is not worshiped, she is venerated, please show some respect to the mother of God. Pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth. Are pointy hats out of fashion?
@mmaghola You do confess to a priest: The only priest that the NT talks about as authoritative to believers is our great High Priest, Jesus Christ (read Hebrews). There is no Biblical support for a New Covenant priesthood.
There's also no Biblical support for any sort of "apostolic lineage" that the Catholic Church talks about - for the first 3-4 centuries, to be an apostolic church was to hold to the apostolic teachings, not set up leaders with completely unsanctioned power.
@MattinatorHax John 20:21-23 clearly shows that Jesus gave the power to the Apostles to forgive sins. In James 5:16 we are also told to confess to one another. All of this is fulfillment of OT when Israelites had to bring sin offerings, among others, to Levites. And lets not forget that Israel was supposed to be a nation of priests but they worshiped the golden calf, that role is now fulfilled by the new Israel, the Church and its ordained priesthood in Apostolic succession from Peter.
@mmaghola Yes, the APOSTLES were given that authority. However, nowhere in the NT does it plan any sort of apostolic succession, and "apostle" in the Bible is pretty much always used of a person who was an eyewitness of Jesus and received teaching straight from Him. James 5:16 does not place any sort of authority structure on that confession to one-another. Finally, read Romans 9-11: While we stand in the blessings of Abraham, we are not the "new Israel" at all.
@MattinatorHax Finally, if you want to know about the NT's teaching on Priests: Jesus is the great High Priest (Heb 2:17, 3:1, 4:14-15, etc), and we ALL are a
"chosen people, A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, a holy nation, a people belonging to God" (1 Peter 2:9), and in this way we are a succession of the Mosaic covenant (Ex 19:6), but not in our leadership and/or authority structures.
@mmaghola the words "hail Mary full of grace" say it all, Catholicism in just that instance has failed to teach the Bible
the Bible says "there is none righteous no, not one. meaning nobody but Jesus himself was perfect and therefore none should be exalted but the Father,Son,and Holy Spirit
Hmm, what he seems 2b talkin about is transdenominational evangelicalism. I'm Presbyterian - a meaningful descriptor for me interms of what I do and do not confess re: what the Scriptures teach. My church leadership r mainly evangelical & so engage in transdenominational networking. This leads 2 some good things (involvement in mission) & some bad things (visits from revivialist preachers). As a non-evangelical though, I can only go so far in2 the network b4 I encounter stuff I consider nonXtian
@latinessa I hope you didn't let that Pharisee get you down too much...if you are sure you are His, it may mean SHE is not...we will all be very surprised who we see in heaven and who we do not.
Very true, denominations can sometimes be your worst enemy, my orthodox church wouldn't let me marry my fiance because he's from a non denominational church, unless he studies orthodoxy for 9 months, they test him, baptize him and then give us counseling lessons... I'm not a proud orthodox and I dun ever wanna be one.
@PhilosophicalStud "I can't agree with this statement. There is no labels in life. Your just men and women living your life. God isn't designed to be some sort of game or idea, it's just life in general. The extinct of how much you put into your faith is what makes this world the way it is. Some use it as greedy power, some use it as a social hype, however I am sure to state that very few actually use their belief for the correct reasons, and that is to just be humble, positive people.
Prophecy foretells that one day, all of Christianity will unite. All though unity is good, the kind of ecumenical unity that is going on behind the scenes is deceptive, and it is from Satan. It is not called "unity", it is called "comprimise" with one another. The various Protestant Churches are willing to sacrifice that which they held so dearly for the "good of the whole", and to bring about the New World Order through "global peace". But through peace, he shall destroy many. (Dan 8:25).
While the various Churches unite with one another on various points of doctrine, such as Sunday Keeping, there will be a few faithful on the planet who will not comprimise. These will be Sabbatarian Christians, who hold true to God's Commandments, and keep the 4th Commandment Sabbath, and not the Pagan Sun-Worship. These Sabbath keeping Christians will become the "objects of universal execration", and because they do not fall into line with the rest of Christianity, they will become outcasts.
I agree that networks are good as Jesus prayed for us to 'be one' therefore we should not let denominations get in the way. However, this did make me laugh when he didn't even mention the Roman Catholics, who are still ONE ;)
The reason people think there are hardly any differences between the dnominations is because they are ignorant of their own distinctive theologies. Ignorance of one's roots leads to ecumenism - what a joke!
thats exactly why denominations were created by MAN, not God, so that men can "feel" better. Denominations have made it easy for Satan to stray people away from the source and cause unneeded arguments and conflict between people who claim they are christians. We continue to miss the point which is that Jesus Christ is all we need and we should love each other unconditionally like he loves us. Denominations are bull shit. We dont deseve Gods grace but He wants us. is that not enough?
your absolutely right miss shortbus. its not the way of Jesus, but its our own fault for believing that we are better than others as a culture and precieving Jesus as this Judgemental Heritic. Churches come off that way today and it breaks my heart because people should feel at ease when they enter a church and feel home. not judged and scrutinized. Jesus said come as you are. that should be enough.
Well, I'm a believer in God and Christ, but it's hard for me to profess to claim I am a Christian, when I look around and see what the word really means. It disturbs me that so many people are being turned away, due to the fact that Christians are selfish and full of corruption. If anybody asks me who I am, I'm just a man trying to live my life in a 'Christ' like manner, and not some self-centered bastard who looks down at everybody who is different. Excuse my language.
GOOD!. thats so good to hear because, people looking into the faith are lead astray by other followers who judge and point fingers.. When someone asks me, i say im a follower of Christ. Many Christians in the US just stay in a bubble of Christians missing the point of the gospel. Its all a matter of being radical. different to everyone. Thats was Jesus was. Many peop;le who walk over a homeless person sitting on the street. Being radical would be offering them something to eat. etc etc
I have to tell you that I have spoken to SO many people about exactly what you just said. It does me joy and gives me confirmation to hear you say it again. Jesus is not going to ask what denomination you are, He will simply know you or not. That's it. The enemy has used it to not only divide us but confuse the lost because they don't know which denomination to turn too, when the only denomination that matters is saying, "I am part of the church that says Jesus is the Christ."
Are any of you educated who comment on these things? Perspective is so important when determining the killings done by a certain group of people. For example, during the medieval era, there were many "Christians" living about Christians. The true chosen sons of God would not have endorsed such a foolish conquest such as the crusades. However, I do believe some of them may have been Christians, but because of the lack of Biblical knowledge at that time, many Christians were deceived into the evil
I think he's totally rite. There is little to no important differences between the denominations today. And did I really see someone write 14 points? C'mon dude. Really?
13 Mission seeks the extension of God's redemptive purpose in all the world through evangelism, education, and Christian service and calls for the utmost dedication on the part of Christians to this task.
14 Christian education grows out of the relation of faith and reason and calls for academic excellence and freedom that are both real and responsible.
11 Church and state are both ordained of God, and are answerable to him. They should remain seperate, but they are under the obligation of mutual recognition and reinforcement as each seeks to fulfil it's divine function.
12 The church is to be responsible in the world; it's mission is to the world; but it's character and ministry are not to be of the world.
9 Baptism and the Lord's Supper, the two ordinances of the church, are symbolic of redemption, but their observance involves spiritual realities in personal Christian experience.
10 A church is an autonomous body, subject only to Christ, it's head. It's democratic government properly reflects the equality and responsibility of believers under the lordship of Christ.
7 Each Christian having direct access to God through Christ, is his own priest and is also under obligation to become a priest for Christ in behalf of other persons. 8 The church, in it's inclusive sense, is a fellowship of persons redeemed by Christ, and made one in the family of God. The church, in it's local sense, is a fellowship of baptized believers, voluntary banded together for worship, nurture, and service.
5 Every person is free under God in all matters of conscience and has the right to embrace or reject religion and to witness
to his religious beliefs, always with proper regard for the rights of the other persons. 6 Salvation from sin is the free gift of God through Jesus Christ, conditioned only upon trust in and commitment to Christ the Lord.
3 Every individual is created in the image of God and therefore merits respect and consideration as a person of infinite dignity and worth. 4 Each person is competent under God to make his own moral and religious decisions and is responsible to God in all matters of moral and religious duty.
1 The ultimate source of authority is Jesus Christ the Lord, and every area of life is to be subject to his lordship. 2 The Bible as the inspired revelation of God's will and way, made full and complete in the life and teachings of Christ, is the authoritative rule of faith and practice.
At the tender age of 28, I chose to align myself with the Southern Baptist demonation after reading their Beliefs [there are only 14]. Seeing that all organized religions are cults, and reasoned that this concept was the closest to the ideals put forth in God's word for me. My free will is a gift from God and not man, therefore I refuse to give it up in exchange for any human phantasy concerning God. I submitted myself to baptism on 10/05/1975 and have never regretted a single moment.
Yeah, but the killing is, at least in many cases, incidental. (Such could be argued these days inanycase.)
What are more important are religion's bad morals, such as unreasonableness and chauvinism; for these things aren't contigencies, but essential features in all theistic religions.
As for the test of time, that is of man, but along those lines then The Bishop's Bible, 1568 or The Wycliffe (1380) is more logically accurate. Another impact on the belief of KJV only is, how did the people survive without such an accurate Bible for 1400 years? Did they not rely upon other Bibles, which are still in existance today? There were Baptists as early as 1569, before the KJV came out. Your understanding of Baptist,is your understanding, and not the "What it means to be Baptist".
My question is do you know Greek? How do you know it is extremely accurate unless you have read all the Greek,
Hebrew and Arabic to check? Or is it the case of what you have be told? Are the other bible wrong because they dont agree with the KJV? Has God said that the KJV is the only Bible? Careful now. Or is it what man has said?
We don't need examples. Anyone who wants to discredit anything can find "examples", even those who want to discredit the KJV. Those people who don't believe that the KJV is the most accurate, are they also to be discredited?
To answer Mark's question of what it means to be baptist, it's more then "We dunk people." Being baptist means we hold that the true word of God can be fond in the King James Bible. We believe that only salvation is the gift that God bestows upon us when we repent and ask for His forgiveness. We believe that Jesus is Go Incarnate and that He is only the Jesus that came to fulfill that which was written about Him. Any Baptist who cannot explain this to you is not a Baptist. Much love Preacherman
Not really. He's was off base. I remember reading about how Ted Haggard described denominations as flavors at baskin-robbins. It's more than that. His attitude is like, "They're no differences in what we believe." Catholics teach that not only was Jesus sinless and ascended to Heaven but that the same goes for Mary. Seventh Day Adventist teach that we are to obey the law in order to be saved and that the mark of the beast is going to church on Sunday. As far as the KJV goes it is the accuracy.
I understand your position. However there are several 'baptist' streams of thought. Your position very exclusive. Any number of other 'baptist' streams of thought wold agree with you up until the KJV onlyism. Other Baptist's would deny scripture as the final rule all together. Pastor Mark's point was that the term baptist has no longer come to define single stream of thought. If we compare the ABC to the SBC then we would see quite a difference evan more when compared to the independents.
But that's what I'm saying. Any person who denies these types of things are not real baptists which is why you see things like Reformed baptist church and the like. Almost always, you can tell what a churches philosophy is in the name of that church. My point is this. Just because they're are other groups who bear the name baptist, that doesn't diminish what it means to be a baptist by all sense of the term. I feel as though he's trying to dumb it down to the point where it means as he says it
If being a Baptist is dunking and the KJV, I would rather be just a plain disciple of Jesus. Jesus called us to make disciples, not Baptists.
The KJV, while fairly right, is not completely accurate, it is not The True Word, but a translation of it. God may use any translation, and he does so, for his purposes.
Well I was not discreditting that but rather saying to me this is what it measn to be baptist. As far as the KJV goes it is extremely accurate. It is has stood the test of time for that reason. God is not the God of lies. If what you say is true then does that mean God wants us to believe that Jesus was cast out from Heaven? That salvation is not an eternal gift but a contious process? These are the types of things that are in the newer Bibles. I'll message you some examples.
Not to be a jerk at all, but I spent 18 years of my life as an "American Baptist." Not ONCE did the pastor, nor any member/elder mention why we were Baptist, and only stated that we were such, and that we couldn't have gay pastors. I guess that's why disassociated with the ABA.
As long as a group believes the Bible, believes in Jesus and the Trinity and repents of sin, they are alright in my book.
FTR, I asked my catholic buddy if the above fit his beliefs. He said yes. :)
Well first off, why were you in an organized group? Real Baptists don't believe in having a hiearchy like the ABA does. AS far as your comment goes, not to be rude or anything, but if you were to ask your Catholic buddy why he believes half of what he does, he probably wouldn't be able to tell you. Catholic doctrine coulnd't be any further from Christian doctrine. They believe in Jesus and the virgin birht but they also believe that Mary like jesus was sinless, and all sorts of things.
godis not all about wor5ship,god just wantsto beseen...he wants u to learn,what is good and choosethe good. he understands, why people aremislead,but god is a judge,and those who have done wrong,whileknowing what is right,they must be judged, how can people like that exist in heaven? they cant. if heaven is peaceful, how can he let chaos into heaven ..it would be ruined. and satan wantsto do just that...take you away...from ..god
Well if Satan wants to take us away from God then that sure explains why they're are so many denominations, each with they're own plan of salvation and they're own Jesus. To say that having denominations is chaos, and we all should be one is a clear defiance of scripture, especially when we define that on the basis of teaching. Jesus said to judge not according to the appearance but righteously. So before we go saying everyone is right, we first need to analyze everyone's teachings.
The call for the non-denomintional church or interdenominational church only weakens the denominational churches that are obeying God in more than the teaching of introductory Christianity.
Hence we have a spiritual mess with babies teaching babies.
The NT church plan is revealed in Scripture. It is no longer a mystery. Yet men who are smarter than God want to do and end run around it because ------ fill in the blank. Reaching the lost is step one, bringing them to maturity is step two.
Always striving to follow the new vision and social rules for "spiritual community," denominations, as well as seekers, are hindered from the very Life of Jesus, the Shepherd that at first put the hunger for truth and God in their hearts.
"To be more specific, the popular trend just now in certain localities is toward the unscriptural and dangerous dogma that all men will be finally saved....."
From a letter written by the Rev. E. K. Alden, D.D., Boston, March 21, 1887
Jesus said: "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life." John 5:39-40
Denominations had been heading straight for the ocean, but the undercurrent of ritualism bewitched them, hindering them from obeying the truth.
I had some great teachers in high school that were very odd, but none of them ever said they were going to come out of the clouds with a bunch of angels. He was either a lunatic or who He said He was.
"Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Ad he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." -Matthew 24:30-31
If life is a random event then nothing has any meaning but that which we as individuals give it and since no two beings could ever feel exactly the same then nothing could ever be defined. The man who says there is no God simply takes everything for granted which is the height of foolishness.
What was good about his teaching? Do you like the fact that he says to love your neighbor? How do you feel about Him saying that He is the way, the truth and the life, and that nobody can come to the Father, except through Him?
The old testament "genocides" display God's wrath. He is still full of anger towards this sinful world, and He is going to destroy all of it. You are a sinner, roac, as am I. The only difference is, I've accepted God's mercy to cover my sins. God made a way out for our sin problem, and it's available to you as well.
Mark is cool
ottodubon 2 weeks ago
This guy is the one of the most disgusting douche bags I've ever seen and I'm just baffled by how anyone can take him seriously.
chaseren11 3 weeks ago
Random person: what does it mean to be baptist?
Driscoll: We dunk adults. (End.)
LMBO!
THIS reminds me of when i asked what made baptist different from others. lolz
Bubbleyumizchewi17 3 weeks ago
I really wish certain lutheran churches(ELCA) would change there names so we(LCMS) don't always get lumped in with the crazies. Whether he's right or not about the trends I don't know. It would make sense that some of the more liberal churches are seeking this as there leaders fall further from a strong hold on biblical doctrine. I still wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water though, some denominational churches are growing for the same reasons.
flybarrier 1 month ago
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flybarrier 1 month ago
Right on! Right on my brotha!
DaneStolthed 2 months ago
Seems a bit derisive that the only thing one thinks of Baptists is they dunk adults. T^hat is nopt taught in any Baptist chnurch I was ever a member of. It is called Believers Baptism which is-identifying one self as a Christian in the death burial and ressurection of Christ. It is a testimony of salvation. The pathetic thing is Christ commanded it to happen and in reality shows one thing-he does not really care about biblical distinctives when commanded by Christ!
daveme7 2 months ago
Driscoll, who desperately needs "What Not To Wear" advice, doesn't know what he's talking about. He, and anyone, should begin by Googling the names of denominations to find out how they differ from each other.
Such astounding, open ignorance.
Trillidotia 2 months ago
I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, & that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind & the same judgment. For it has been reported to me…that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 1 Co 1:10f ESV
tjotwo 3 months ago
@claudius860 The catholic church today is entirely man made. Nowhere in the bible will you find any mention of the Pope, of nuns, of purgatory, of praying to saints, of infant baptism, of catechisms. The catholic church originally was simply known as the church. It originally was correct. Then people added their opinions, their thoughts, their rules, and basically, the catholic church has become modern-day pharisees. It's harsh to say, but it's very true.
GazawayJD 3 months ago 15
@GazawayJD You can find multiple of those things in the Bible, although it may not be as explicit as you would like. Nowhere in the Bible will you find that everything must be in the Bible, however. Paul reminds us multiple time to hold fast to the Traditions that have been handed down to us from the apostles. Catholics continue to follow these Traditions. I pray that Christendom may once again be unified under Christ's One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
cburton103 3 months ago
@cburton103 And I pray that people would gather under Christ.
GazawayJD 2 months ago
@GazawayJD Uniting under the Church Christ started and maintains through the Holy Spirit is uniting under Christ. Jesus prayed that all may be one as the Father and he are one in John 17. What does this mean to us today? It means that we should all examine the differences between ourselves and let Christ lead us into his Church.
Many people express the sentiment that you do, but it simply has no factual basis. All Catholic doctrine can be found from the very early days of the Church. God bless.
cburton103 2 months ago
@cburton103 Sorry no. No one is the head of the church but Jesus Christ. No creed but Christ.
pegcage 2 months ago
@pegcage I agree that Christ is the head of the Church. After all, the Church is the body of Christ - who else could possibly be the head?
When did I say that someone other than Christ is the head of the Church?
cburton103 2 months ago
@pegcage You see, this is the problem with someone talking about something they don't actually understand. A wise man (Fulton Sheen) once said, "There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church — which is, of course, quite a different thing." Please learn about the Catholic Church before you spread things about it that aren't true. May God bless you and yours.
cburton103 2 months ago
@pegcage What do you mean by 'No creed but Christ' - it sounds like an interesting piece of rhetoric, but it needs to be explained. For instance, are you perhaps saying that the Nicene Creed is unnecessary?
neoclassicism1 1 month ago
Denominations are not of God just believe the bible
prittydeb 4 months ago
While some of what he is saying is true, much isn't. But he has never been part of a confessional communion - one which is founded on common belief. Much of what he is saying is a consequence of being in a non-confessing communion where belief is not the common bond.
mglodo 4 months ago
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B - Bible is our sole authority
A - Autonomy of the local church
P - Priesthood of believers
T - Two ordinances of the local church: scriptural baptism and the Lord's Supper
I - Individual soul liberty
S - Saved church membership
T - Two offices of the local church: pastor and deacon
S - Separation of church and state
mgw1988 5 months ago
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mgw1988 5 months ago
we dunk adults? lol we dunk saved adults!!!
killermenji 5 months ago
There is NO J IN THE HEBREW! And Mark Driscoll is Of The Devil!
remusnigga 5 months ago
Very insightful commentary! This is so true, Evangelicalism is a movement that is about networked institutions promoting experiential religion. Carl Trueman and D.G. Hart have said more or less the same thing, albeit from another perspective. Watching this I now realise how detrimental promoting this form of religion is. Faith in a feeling is no replacement for faith in the facts of the faith once given in the Scriptures, as expressed in out creeds and confessions. May God help us recover it!
vidcodex09 7 months ago
@vidcodex09 ...... expression of creeds is just as empty as good feelings... if there is no action. Works without belief = death in ignorance, .. belief without work = knowledgable death. True religion, as the gospel speaks of is laid out in action, in love of the Father and in hope for His Salvation. High-minded theology of the Lutherans of Germany didnt spare them in the 1930s, or the "believers" in their genocides of the Native Peoples. Nope. Relationship with Christ is belief & action
KeyboardPacifist 6 months ago
@KeyboardPacifist I agree 100% with you - "Relationship with Christ is belief & action" where that belief is being united to Him in faith -faith that looks to Christ, not to a subjective feeling I experience. This is what the creeds express, e.g., "I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the Maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord". If we confess Him as "our Lord", then we will be subdued by Him as King and go on to do those good works prepared in advance for us.
vidcodex09 6 months ago
@vidcodex09 Agreed, refinement to adoption is not subjective to empircal-emotions. Belief goes onto confession goes onto immersion in the Fruits of the Ruach hKodesh and everything that comes with that. We rightly confine the Gospel by the Apostolic Confession - but there is no such thing as confine the Right Hand of YHWH, experienced in 7-fold-Spirit/His Action. Seeing this, the disciples of Yeshua set up warnings against false signs and also, ways to expose counterfeit-Christs/ians.
KeyboardPacifist 6 months ago
Discerning (Isa.11:2-3/Heb 5:14) - past the belief, or confession (unless they directly reject the manifestion of Yeshua in the Flesh) - but look to the Fruit, see if it is manifest. Glossolia, healings, teachings, etc.. are advised to be tested by the elders (1Jn4:1)- but it is the Fruit that will expose them (eventually) - Eph.5:19-21.. of course, the two in question ("revellings" & "heresies). I make suspect the spirit and speak against the doer if the Fruit of the Flesh is manifest. Shalom
KeyboardPacifist 6 months ago
@KeyboardPacifist well said. May YHWH bless your work!
vidcodex09 6 months ago
@vidcodex09 for me ,Jesus or Jeshua is the same today yesterday and for ever he Is the Lord of heaven manifested in the flesh not 2nd person or little god .He is Godhimself saving the world from sins
aparicio12fran 5 months ago
Typical Protestants ridiculing other Protestants for not subscribing to their particular brand of Christianity. Serious, Protestantism has become a splintered mess. Why do you criticise other people's faith? Does it make you feel more secure about your own?
zoeyjusko 8 months ago
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dimstar4now 8 months ago
To the Jews Yeshuah, To us Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth and the Life; Christianity not Denomination
Jesus: "Come with me if you want to Live"
Pharisees: "Are you the Denominator!?"
Jesus: "I am the Saviour"
Pharisees: "We are the Denominated that the Denominator would come it is our Denomination's way"
Jesus: "Listen to me!, you don't make sense"
Pharisees: "Blasphemy!"
Jesus: "Yeah i'mma take over from here"-Passion>Crucifixion>Resurrection!!!
NgatiMaoriYO 9 months ago
Are we talking about non Christians or Atheists cause Atheists are purely ignorant. They get their questions answered but refuse to accept answers no mater who it is or how it is presented. They say there is no God. How do they know that? Please show me why you think there is no God? Christians proof is the word and all the physical proof from the Bible in areas around the world.
dannyspl 9 months ago
Religion and denominations are DEAD without the individuals relationships with JESUS CHRIST.
There is no boundaries if CHRIST is in the heart. Its just a tag
swordseller1 9 months ago
but I must say dunking babies thinking that it will give them salvation is not biblical
davidkeithbecket 10 months ago
wow, that was brill. its so true about the buildings thing
davidkeithbecket 10 months ago
@davidkeithbecket yeah i know, especially amongst the Episcopalians.
homestar4ever 9 months ago
Why are there so many variations of religions all around the world ?? It is because they are all made up - man made fantasy stories and delusions. churches are a waste of building materials and utilities.
sciencevsreligion01 10 months ago
@sciencevsreligion01 you really have no idea what you talking about.
jbjrsdbttdl 10 months ago
@jbjrsdbttdl You really have no idea what your saying. There are thousands of religions out there making billions of dollars each year. Religion is a man made, money making business. the evidence is there.
sciencevsreligion01 10 months ago
@jbjrsdbttdl You really have no idea what your saying. There are thousands of religions out there making billions of dollars each year. Religion is a man made, money making business. the evidence is there.
sciencevsreligion01 10 months ago
@sciencevsreligion01 not necessarily... anywhere there are human beings there will be differing perspectives on any given matter.
liberatedvialove 10 months ago
@liberatedvialove I think you missed the point. Religion has been the most influential belief system on planet earth and has taught billions of people to live in ignorance of many different religious doctrines that has caused massive contradiction and confusion.
sciencevsreligion01 10 months ago
@sciencevsreligion01
no people have... they've used religion as a tool to manipulate the masses. because its in the name of God that does not mean its in the name of God.
liberatedvialove 10 months ago
@assym2006 good argument.
abomb12325 10 months ago
Epic proof of what pastor mark is saying, that I see. The representative of foursquare missions here in singapore, now pastors a baptist church...LOL
chaingang90 11 months ago
Being "pro-gay" is crazy...? WAT.
Memerylane 1 year ago
WELL SAID :)
weemucksGRFC 1 year ago
it is utterly hilarious that even the dickheads who argue about a bronze age book of myths can't even agree with eachother.
lockwoodisafaggot 1 year ago
@lockwoodisafaggot It bares repeating: ...people who argue about a bronze age book of myths can't even agree with eachother.
ShawnsterVideos 11 months ago
@assym2006
You clearly have never actually explored for yourself to find out the truth.. And apparently you've never see the Grand Canyon, Niagara Falls, or even perhaps the stars on a clear night... Yeah, all those things just sprung up outta no where. You are the insane one, my friend.
CharlesAndHyde 1 year ago
@CharlesAndHyde
The Grand Canyon, Niagara Falls were both formed by water erosion over millions of years. A star is a massive, luminous ball of plasma held together by gravity.
You don't need a sky fairy only science.
assym2006 1 year ago 2
@assym2006
You should watch the Case for, series. Case for the Creator, Case for Christ... etc,...
If you put so much stock into Science... check them out... I think you'll be shocked by the Scientific evidence in them. But then again, you probably don't want to see the truth.... Your choice!
Silislin 1 year ago
@Silislin
Lol there is no science there.
angeltears87 1 year ago
@assym2006
You clearly have never actually explored for yourself to find out the truth.. And apparently you've never see the Grand Canyon, Niagara Falls, or even perhaps the stars on a clear night... Yeah, all those things just sprung up outta no where. You are the insane one, my friend.
CharlesAndHyde 1 year ago
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isnt this the guy who tried to be a stand up comic but people didnt like the jesus jokes so he decided to take his material to a church of young people who hated what their parents taught them and so he teaches whatever comes to his mind and says jesus with confidence and because these people are basicaly lazy anyway he knows they wont look it up? im sure this is the same guy.
kwarrior101 1 year ago
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kwarrior101 1 year ago
@kwarrior101
You're an idiot, an clearly have never seen his sermons. He always backs up his talks with scripture. Investigate the evidence before you convict a suspect. . .
CharlesAndHyde 1 year ago
@CharlesAndHyde Excuse me! But where in scripture does it say jesus is watching you while you masterbate? always backs up his talks w/scripture. BULLSHIT! and your the idiot!!
kwarrior101 8 months ago
@kwarrior101
All scripture comes directly from God:
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
He sees all:
Mark 4:22 For nothing is hidden except to be made manifest; nor is anything secret except to come to light.
Your not honoring God by jerkin your meat, so you're sinning.
1 Corinthians 10:31 So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
Exodus 34:6-7
CharlesAndHyde 8 months ago
@CharlesAndHyde
Exodus 34:6-7 -- But by no means clear the guilty
CharlesAndHyde 8 months ago
@CharlesAndHyde so...that doesnt excuse his behavior. i think he makes a mockery of whatever he's preaching
kwarrior101 7 months ago
The problem with non-denominational Christians is that they have a very loose and shallow understanding of basic theology, tenets and Christian philosophy. You might not agree with the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestants, but at least understand their ideas first. All too often non-denominational Christians mold religion to fit their own ideas and personal convictions. They also tend to do away with the "rules" that are too bothersome to follow...
maddingo12 1 year ago
@maddingo12
I wonder how the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestants become different in theology in the first place then?
CharlesAndHyde 8 months ago 2
@CharlesAndHyde
I guess wayyyyy back then they started to impose rules and some people were like "HEY! This isn't very Christian!" And bounced. That is my clift notes version. But read up on it. There were A LOT of different reasons.
Bubbleyumizchewi17 3 weeks ago
@CharlesAndHyde Simple...Money and Power.
GoWithTh3Flow 3 weeks ago
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Oh man no wonder why. your so lost you can't even spell right. learn your alphabet first before you point people the wrong way
Gekasis 1 year ago
Oh man no wonder why. your so lost you can't even spell right. learn your alphabet first before you point people the wrong way
Gekasis 1 year ago
@Gekasis
English is not my 1st language
assym2006 1 year ago
@willohope
Amen!
mannymtz01 1 year ago
It is my desire to wear no other name than Christ’s and to be known simply as a Christian and a member of the body of Christ. You too can be just a Christian and serve God without belonging to any denomination bound by no denominational laws or obligations. In essentials unity, opinions liberty and in all things LOVE.
NZBadboy 1 year ago 24
Christians disgree with non-Christians. That's fair enough. But non-Christians see Christians disagreeing between denominations, to the point of calling each other evil, or heretic, or un-saved. How would a non-Christian know which church to pick, when each is saying 'we're right, they're wrong', often at a very fundamental level.
Mojosbigstick 1 year ago 25
@Mojosbigstick Look for a church that preaches about Jesus, and has Jesus as the foundation. I don't care what denomination my church is as long as they preach Jesus, which mine does. Look for a church that preaches Jesus, and check to see if what is preached about Jesus matches up with the Jesus of the Bible. Ask people who believe in Jesus, and are walking the walk.
djking2d 1 year ago
@Mojosbigstick by the pillars of faith that a denomination has. Denominations can disagree with each other, but you will find that about all of them disagree on the most important point. The Holy Bible. Example. Most denominations/religions worship God on either Sunday (Most Protestant churches including Catholicism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons) and Friday (Islam) While the scripture clearly says the Seventh day is the day of the Lord (Ex. 20:8-11) That alone narrows things down. God bless
Jon45914 1 year ago
@Mojosbigstick If you're a non-Christian, by that very definition, you don't want Christ nor would you want to go to church with us. Only Christians want Christ. Non-Christians despise Christ and Christians, always have and always will. Jesus himself said if they hate me then they will hate you, too.
DougCameraMan 11 months ago
Preach.
GuitarHero2790 10 months ago
@Mojosbigstick Don't misunderstand, most denominations share the fundamental truths about Jesus. Most denominations believe Jesus is the Son of God, come to earth, died on a cross to pay the penalty of our sin, etc. They disagree on less important, non-salvation issues. If your including Mormons or Jehovah's Witness into "denominations" then your the one making the mistake. As both of those deny fundamental truths about the nature of Jesus and the Bible.
shipleyshipster 9 months ago
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@shipleyshipster
And at that I rest my case!
Mojosbigstick 9 months ago
@Mojosbigstick I think shipleyshipster is trying to say that Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses aren't Christians, therefore the disagreement is still between Christians and non-Christians.
kurona 8 months ago
@Mojosbigstick maybe it's best to saty out of 'denominations' , meet with believers of the bible and see where the Holy Ghost leads it? Denominations are the most effective way to 'uphold' erroneous doctrines and understandings about what life as a christian is all about.
TonguesDoctrine 5 months ago
@Mojosbigstick
A non-Christian could pick any church building.
A newborn Christian will ask and be told or guided by the Holy Spirit which, if any, congregational meeting to attend.
Bless you
OKandNOWwhat 5 months ago
The verse in 2 John has strong language regarding us taking the lead without Christ teaching. The verses before mentioning losing a full reward. Pretty serious stuff. brotherfrank62 I agree with you that Lord can not be with believers that divide themselves because they are not abiding in Christ. People might be in denominations, but in no way do they feel divided by other believers outside their denomination because they either grew up in the denomination or joined the Church for other reasons.
elijah402 1 year ago
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Christians should not be divided into denominations. The bible says that if you are in a denomination, you are not walking for Jesus. As a matter of fact, the very word "denomination" is NOT listed one time in the entire bible.
brotherfrank62 1 year ago
@brotherfrank62
You are right about Christians not being in denominations. But to declare they are not walking for Jesus? That's between them and the Lord, but sometimes people can tell by their fruits. Let's not walk for Jesus, let's walk with Jesus. Didn't people walk for Jesus in Matthew 7:21-23.
elijah402 1 year ago
@elijah402 I am not giving my own opinion, I'm telling the world what the bible says. Read my comment again, I said the bible says if you're in a denomination you are not walking for Christ. Here are a few verses to show you.The first verse is 2John vers.9 that verse should be enough but people don't like to listen.Matt:7:21-22 is a good one,1 Corinthians chap:1 vers.10 this verse is enough to make anybody that's a Christian walk right,unless they are following their Pastor and not Christ..
brotherfrank62 1 year ago
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DreamsofMajesty 1 year ago
@latinessa Spanish Inquisition bad? At least Christians cared what so called Christians believed. You confess to a priest because the Bible tells you so, just like Jews brought sin offering to priest in the Temple so we turn to the priesthood for confession. Mary is not worshiped, she is venerated, please show some respect to the mother of God. Pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth. Are pointy hats out of fashion?
mmaghola 1 year ago
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MattinatorHax 1 year ago
@mmaghola You do confess to a priest: The only priest that the NT talks about as authoritative to believers is our great High Priest, Jesus Christ (read Hebrews). There is no Biblical support for a New Covenant priesthood.
There's also no Biblical support for any sort of "apostolic lineage" that the Catholic Church talks about - for the first 3-4 centuries, to be an apostolic church was to hold to the apostolic teachings, not set up leaders with completely unsanctioned power.
MattinatorHax 1 year ago
@MattinatorHax John 20:21-23 clearly shows that Jesus gave the power to the Apostles to forgive sins. In James 5:16 we are also told to confess to one another. All of this is fulfillment of OT when Israelites had to bring sin offerings, among others, to Levites. And lets not forget that Israel was supposed to be a nation of priests but they worshiped the golden calf, that role is now fulfilled by the new Israel, the Church and its ordained priesthood in Apostolic succession from Peter.
mmaghola 1 year ago
@mmaghola Yes, the APOSTLES were given that authority. However, nowhere in the NT does it plan any sort of apostolic succession, and "apostle" in the Bible is pretty much always used of a person who was an eyewitness of Jesus and received teaching straight from Him. James 5:16 does not place any sort of authority structure on that confession to one-another. Finally, read Romans 9-11: While we stand in the blessings of Abraham, we are not the "new Israel" at all.
MattinatorHax 1 year ago
@MattinatorHax Finally, if you want to know about the NT's teaching on Priests: Jesus is the great High Priest (Heb 2:17, 3:1, 4:14-15, etc), and we ALL are a
"chosen people, A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, a holy nation, a people belonging to God" (1 Peter 2:9), and in this way we are a succession of the Mosaic covenant (Ex 19:6), but not in our leadership and/or authority structures.
MattinatorHax 1 year ago
@mmaghola the words "hail Mary full of grace" say it all, Catholicism in just that instance has failed to teach the Bible
the Bible says "there is none righteous no, not one. meaning nobody but Jesus himself was perfect and therefore none should be exalted but the Father,Son,and Holy Spirit
hallaisback 1 year ago
Baptism : You go down a dry sinner and come up a wet one.
k0smon 1 year ago
Amen Mark!
mylili777 1 year ago
Hmm, what he seems 2b talkin about is transdenominational evangelicalism. I'm Presbyterian - a meaningful descriptor for me interms of what I do and do not confess re: what the Scriptures teach. My church leadership r mainly evangelical & so engage in transdenominational networking. This leads 2 some good things (involvement in mission) & some bad things (visits from revivialist preachers). As a non-evangelical though, I can only go so far in2 the network b4 I encounter stuff I consider nonXtian
vidcodex09 1 year ago
@latinessa I hope you didn't let that Pharisee get you down too much...if you are sure you are His, it may mean SHE is not...we will all be very surprised who we see in heaven and who we do not.
I will see you there...smiles
tweeters54 1 year ago
u sir. are a demon.,
rodrigogsbvh 1 year ago
Very true, denominations can sometimes be your worst enemy, my orthodox church wouldn't let me marry my fiance because he's from a non denominational church, unless he studies orthodoxy for 9 months, they test him, baptize him and then give us counseling lessons... I'm not a proud orthodox and I dun ever wanna be one.
nerminelopez 1 year ago
@nerminelopez ugh...i hate religion...
tweeters54 1 year ago
He is not right about Lutherans. In Lutheran polity, the congregation owns the property not the church-body.
MackLeeGreen 1 year ago
@PhilosophicalStud "I can't agree with this statement. There is no labels in life. Your just men and women living your life. God isn't designed to be some sort of game or idea, it's just life in general. The extinct of how much you put into your faith is what makes this world the way it is. Some use it as greedy power, some use it as a social hype, however I am sure to state that very few actually use their belief for the correct reasons, and that is to just be humble, positive people.
demonhunter1904 1 year ago
Prophecy foretells that one day, all of Christianity will unite. All though unity is good, the kind of ecumenical unity that is going on behind the scenes is deceptive, and it is from Satan. It is not called "unity", it is called "comprimise" with one another. The various Protestant Churches are willing to sacrifice that which they held so dearly for the "good of the whole", and to bring about the New World Order through "global peace". But through peace, he shall destroy many. (Dan 8:25).
Lysimachus78 1 year ago
While the various Churches unite with one another on various points of doctrine, such as Sunday Keeping, there will be a few faithful on the planet who will not comprimise. These will be Sabbatarian Christians, who hold true to God's Commandments, and keep the 4th Commandment Sabbath, and not the Pagan Sun-Worship. These Sabbath keeping Christians will become the "objects of universal execration", and because they do not fall into line with the rest of Christianity, they will become outcasts.
Lysimachus78 1 year ago
I agree that networks are good as Jesus prayed for us to 'be one' therefore we should not let denominations get in the way. However, this did make me laugh when he didn't even mention the Roman Catholics, who are still ONE ;)
Versionice 2 years ago
i thought "dunking babies" was paedo-baptist. not presbytarian. ??
Dimaspatarel 2 years ago
paedo-baptists do, maybe presbyterians do too
djr3000 2 years ago
to learn christian history is to cease to be reformed
ned262626 2 years ago
The reason people think there are hardly any differences between the dnominations is because they are ignorant of their own distinctive theologies. Ignorance of one's roots leads to ecumenism - what a joke!
baronofthenorth 2 years ago
i go to an anglican church because it makes me feel comfortable. the people there are great
nanaimogirl2000 2 years ago
thats exactly why denominations were created by MAN, not God, so that men can "feel" better. Denominations have made it easy for Satan to stray people away from the source and cause unneeded arguments and conflict between people who claim they are christians. We continue to miss the point which is that Jesus Christ is all we need and we should love each other unconditionally like he loves us. Denominations are bull shit. We dont deseve Gods grace but He wants us. is that not enough?
alexd1302 2 years ago
ive been to churches wherepeople want to change me and who were judgemental. that is not the way of jesus
MissShortbus 2 years ago
your absolutely right miss shortbus. its not the way of Jesus, but its our own fault for believing that we are better than others as a culture and precieving Jesus as this Judgemental Heritic. Churches come off that way today and it breaks my heart because people should feel at ease when they enter a church and feel home. not judged and scrutinized. Jesus said come as you are. that should be enough.
alexd1302 2 years ago
@MissShortbus Gandi said he would have become a Christian if it wasnt for Christians
Mikebriand 2 years ago
I find that quite humorous. And I'm not being sarcastic.
demonhunter1904 2 years ago
I find it pretty sad. im a christian and people are getting turned away because people missed the point about the principals of the Gospel
Mikebriand 2 years ago
Well, I'm a believer in God and Christ, but it's hard for me to profess to claim I am a Christian, when I look around and see what the word really means. It disturbs me that so many people are being turned away, due to the fact that Christians are selfish and full of corruption. If anybody asks me who I am, I'm just a man trying to live my life in a 'Christ' like manner, and not some self-centered bastard who looks down at everybody who is different. Excuse my language.
demonhunter1904 2 years ago
GOOD!. thats so good to hear because, people looking into the faith are lead astray by other followers who judge and point fingers.. When someone asks me, i say im a follower of Christ. Many Christians in the US just stay in a bubble of Christians missing the point of the gospel. Its all a matter of being radical. different to everyone. Thats was Jesus was. Many peop;le who walk over a homeless person sitting on the street. Being radical would be offering them something to eat. etc etc
Mikebriand 2 years ago
So you are completely discreting the work of Spurgeon, John Calvin, Jonathan Edwards, and CS Lewis? I am in a Gospel Driven denomination.
hardmod777 2 years ago
my heros. still looking for a good study book set for their writings cuz im not smart enough haha.
americansmark 2 years ago
@alexd1302
I have to tell you that I have spoken to SO many people about exactly what you just said. It does me joy and gives me confirmation to hear you say it again. Jesus is not going to ask what denomination you are, He will simply know you or not. That's it. The enemy has used it to not only divide us but confuse the lost because they don't know which denomination to turn too, when the only denomination that matters is saying, "I am part of the church that says Jesus is the Christ."
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junmeskie 2 years ago
DO YOU BELIEVED IN THE BIBLE AND WHAT IT SAYS? 100%?
"Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you." ~ John 6: 52-54
"He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the LAST DAY. ~ John 6:55-56
"For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him."
junmeskie 2 years ago
Are any of you educated who comment on these things? Perspective is so important when determining the killings done by a certain group of people. For example, during the medieval era, there were many "Christians" living about Christians. The true chosen sons of God would not have endorsed such a foolish conquest such as the crusades. However, I do believe some of them may have been Christians, but because of the lack of Biblical knowledge at that time, many Christians were deceived into the evil
runckandy 2 years ago
Comunism???
Also N. Ireland conflict is more about nationality and less about religion
07MOJDF 2 years ago
Well said!
pncleon 2 years ago
I think he's totally rite. There is little to no important differences between the denominations today. And did I really see someone write 14 points? C'mon dude. Really?
Bamdikut 2 years ago
I totally see the networking in my area, and it's a good thing.
dano41788 2 years ago
13 Mission seeks the extension of God's redemptive purpose in all the world through evangelism, education, and Christian service and calls for the utmost dedication on the part of Christians to this task.
14 Christian education grows out of the relation of faith and reason and calls for academic excellence and freedom that are both real and responsible.
drwadkins 2 years ago
11 Church and state are both ordained of God, and are answerable to him. They should remain seperate, but they are under the obligation of mutual recognition and reinforcement as each seeks to fulfil it's divine function.
12 The church is to be responsible in the world; it's mission is to the world; but it's character and ministry are not to be of the world.
drwadkins 2 years ago
9 Baptism and the Lord's Supper, the two ordinances of the church, are symbolic of redemption, but their observance involves spiritual realities in personal Christian experience.
10 A church is an autonomous body, subject only to Christ, it's head. It's democratic government properly reflects the equality and responsibility of believers under the lordship of Christ.
drwadkins 2 years ago
7 Each Christian having direct access to God through Christ, is his own priest and is also under obligation to become a priest for Christ in behalf of other persons. 8 The church, in it's inclusive sense, is a fellowship of persons redeemed by Christ, and made one in the family of God. The church, in it's local sense, is a fellowship of baptized believers, voluntary banded together for worship, nurture, and service.
drwadkins 2 years ago
5 Every person is free under God in all matters of conscience and has the right to embrace or reject religion and to witness
to his religious beliefs, always with proper regard for the rights of the other persons. 6 Salvation from sin is the free gift of God through Jesus Christ, conditioned only upon trust in and commitment to Christ the Lord.
drwadkins 2 years ago
3 Every individual is created in the image of God and therefore merits respect and consideration as a person of infinite dignity and worth. 4 Each person is competent under God to make his own moral and religious decisions and is responsible to God in all matters of moral and religious duty.
drwadkins 2 years ago
1 The ultimate source of authority is Jesus Christ the Lord, and every area of life is to be subject to his lordship. 2 The Bible as the inspired revelation of God's will and way, made full and complete in the life and teachings of Christ, is the authoritative rule of faith and practice.
drwadkins 2 years ago
At the tender age of 28, I chose to align myself with the Southern Baptist demonation after reading their Beliefs [there are only 14]. Seeing that all organized religions are cults, and reasoned that this concept was the closest to the ideals put forth in God's word for me. My free will is a gift from God and not man, therefore I refuse to give it up in exchange for any human phantasy concerning God. I submitted myself to baptism on 10/05/1975 and have never regretted a single moment.
drwadkins 2 years ago
I have a general dislike for all religions.
There has been too much killing in the name of your invisible friends.
TheJohnDoran 2 years ago
Yeah, but the killing is, at least in many cases, incidental. (Such could be argued these days inanycase.)
What are more important are religion's bad morals, such as unreasonableness and chauvinism; for these things aren't contigencies, but essential features in all theistic religions.
Cotdail 2 years ago
damn religions.
TheJohnDoran 2 years ago
that' fair.
BUT...
How much killing has their been by atheists or non-religious human beings??
with all respect, i find your statement a little weak
usedsnow 2 years ago
right in response to your question, far far fewer people have been killed by atheists.
And there are no atheist extrmists or terrorists.
Can you say the same for religion?
when atheists kill they kill because they are dicks, not because their religion motivates them.
Please don't respond saying that religion has not cost millions (if not more) of lives before you put the words
"the crusades"
"world trade centre"
"northern ireland"
"middle east"
into google.
TheJohnDoran 2 years ago
As for the test of time, that is of man, but along those lines then The Bishop's Bible, 1568 or The Wycliffe (1380) is more logically accurate. Another impact on the belief of KJV only is, how did the people survive without such an accurate Bible for 1400 years? Did they not rely upon other Bibles, which are still in existance today? There were Baptists as early as 1569, before the KJV came out. Your understanding of Baptist,is your understanding, and not the "What it means to be Baptist".
onthewayaswell 2 years ago
To: PM20
My question is do you know Greek? How do you know it is extremely accurate unless you have read all the Greek,
Hebrew and Arabic to check? Or is it the case of what you have be told? Are the other bible wrong because they dont agree with the KJV? Has God said that the KJV is the only Bible? Careful now. Or is it what man has said?
onthewayaswell 2 years ago
To: Preacherman20
We don't need examples. Anyone who wants to discredit anything can find "examples", even those who want to discredit the KJV. Those people who don't believe that the KJV is the most accurate, are they also to be discredited?
onthewayaswell 2 years ago
To answer Mark's question of what it means to be baptist, it's more then "We dunk people." Being baptist means we hold that the true word of God can be fond in the King James Bible. We believe that only salvation is the gift that God bestows upon us when we repent and ask for His forgiveness. We believe that Jesus is Go Incarnate and that He is only the Jesus that came to fulfill that which was written about Him. Any Baptist who cannot explain this to you is not a Baptist. Much love Preacherman
Preacherman20 2 years ago
The only difference you described from a non-denominational church is the dunking people and the fondness for King James. So he was right.
1337faqsguy 2 years ago
Not really. He's was off base. I remember reading about how Ted Haggard described denominations as flavors at baskin-robbins. It's more than that. His attitude is like, "They're no differences in what we believe." Catholics teach that not only was Jesus sinless and ascended to Heaven but that the same goes for Mary. Seventh Day Adventist teach that we are to obey the law in order to be saved and that the mark of the beast is going to church on Sunday. As far as the KJV goes it is the accuracy.
Preacherman20 2 years ago
I understand your position. However there are several 'baptist' streams of thought. Your position very exclusive. Any number of other 'baptist' streams of thought wold agree with you up until the KJV onlyism. Other Baptist's would deny scripture as the final rule all together. Pastor Mark's point was that the term baptist has no longer come to define single stream of thought. If we compare the ABC to the SBC then we would see quite a difference evan more when compared to the independents.
theatwo 2 years ago
But that's what I'm saying. Any person who denies these types of things are not real baptists which is why you see things like Reformed baptist church and the like. Almost always, you can tell what a churches philosophy is in the name of that church. My point is this. Just because they're are other groups who bear the name baptist, that doesn't diminish what it means to be a baptist by all sense of the term. I feel as though he's trying to dumb it down to the point where it means as he says it
Preacherman20 2 years ago
If being a Baptist is dunking and the KJV, I would rather be just a plain disciple of Jesus. Jesus called us to make disciples, not Baptists.
The KJV, while fairly right, is not completely accurate, it is not The True Word, but a translation of it. God may use any translation, and he does so, for his purposes.
onthewayaswell 2 years ago
Well I was not discreditting that but rather saying to me this is what it measn to be baptist. As far as the KJV goes it is extremely accurate. It is has stood the test of time for that reason. God is not the God of lies. If what you say is true then does that mean God wants us to believe that Jesus was cast out from Heaven? That salvation is not an eternal gift but a contious process? These are the types of things that are in the newer Bibles. I'll message you some examples.
Preacherman20 2 years ago
Not to be a jerk at all, but I spent 18 years of my life as an "American Baptist." Not ONCE did the pastor, nor any member/elder mention why we were Baptist, and only stated that we were such, and that we couldn't have gay pastors. I guess that's why disassociated with the ABA.
As long as a group believes the Bible, believes in Jesus and the Trinity and repents of sin, they are alright in my book.
FTR, I asked my catholic buddy if the above fit his beliefs. He said yes. :)
americansmark 2 years ago
Well first off, why were you in an organized group? Real Baptists don't believe in having a hiearchy like the ABA does. AS far as your comment goes, not to be rude or anything, but if you were to ask your Catholic buddy why he believes half of what he does, he probably wouldn't be able to tell you. Catholic doctrine coulnd't be any further from Christian doctrine. They believe in Jesus and the virgin birht but they also believe that Mary like jesus was sinless, and all sorts of things.
Preacherman20 2 years ago
godis not all about wor5ship,god just wantsto beseen...he wants u to learn,what is good and choosethe good. he understands, why people aremislead,but god is a judge,and those who have done wrong,whileknowing what is right,they must be judged, how can people like that exist in heaven? they cant. if heaven is peaceful, how can he let chaos into heaven ..it would be ruined. and satan wantsto do just that...take you away...from ..god
mayreal13 2 years ago
Well if Satan wants to take us away from God then that sure explains why they're are so many denominations, each with they're own plan of salvation and they're own Jesus. To say that having denominations is chaos, and we all should be one is a clear defiance of scripture, especially when we define that on the basis of teaching. Jesus said to judge not according to the appearance but righteously. So before we go saying everyone is right, we first need to analyze everyone's teachings.
Preacherman20 2 years ago
The call for the non-denomintional church or interdenominational church only weakens the denominational churches that are obeying God in more than the teaching of introductory Christianity.
Hence we have a spiritual mess with babies teaching babies.
The NT church plan is revealed in Scripture. It is no longer a mystery. Yet men who are smarter than God want to do and end run around it because ------ fill in the blank. Reaching the lost is step one, bringing them to maturity is step two.
mikevoter 2 years ago
Always striving to follow the new vision and social rules for "spiritual community," denominations, as well as seekers, are hindered from the very Life of Jesus, the Shepherd that at first put the hunger for truth and God in their hearts.
"To be more specific, the popular trend just now in certain localities is toward the unscriptural and dangerous dogma that all men will be finally saved....."
From a letter written by the Rev. E. K. Alden, D.D., Boston, March 21, 1887
dwoods828 2 years ago
Well put.
Jesus said: "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life." John 5:39-40
Denominations had been heading straight for the ocean, but the undercurrent of ritualism bewitched them, hindering them from obeying the truth.
dwoods828 2 years ago
I had some great teachers in high school that were very odd, but none of them ever said they were going to come out of the clouds with a bunch of angels. He was either a lunatic or who He said He was.
rayshores 2 years ago
I think Jesus was a good teacher but not the son of god. I also believe that god does not exist any more than Zeus or Odin exist.
roac7777 2 years ago
"Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Ad he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." -Matthew 24:30-31
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rayshores 2 years ago
That is just scripture rayshores. Scripture blinds you to thought.
roac7777 2 years ago
If life is a random event then nothing has any meaning but that which we as individuals give it and since no two beings could ever feel exactly the same then nothing could ever be defined. The man who says there is no God simply takes everything for granted which is the height of foolishness.
kdixonc24 2 years ago
What was good about his teaching? Do you like the fact that he says to love your neighbor? How do you feel about Him saying that He is the way, the truth and the life, and that nobody can come to the Father, except through Him?
leslanfear 2 years ago
According to what leslanfear, the Bible, that is just fantasy. You might aswell say Lord of The Rings is true.
As a matter of fact I prefer LOTR, more wizards and elves.
roac7777 2 years ago
So where do you get your idea that Jesus was a good teacher? If you think the bible is just fantasy, where are you getting your Jesus from?
leslanfear 2 years ago
The miracles, the virgin birth, the resurrection is fantasy, the teachings have good moral backgrounds.
Certainly the genocidal and rapine acts of the Old Testament prophets are not good teachers of morals
roac7777 2 years ago
The old testament "genocides" display God's wrath. He is still full of anger towards this sinful world, and He is going to destroy all of it. You are a sinner, roac, as am I. The only difference is, I've accepted God's mercy to cover my sins. God made a way out for our sin problem, and it's available to you as well.
leslanfear 2 years ago
No one is born into sin, God was supposed to have made this world, if people are sinning its his fault.
God is a psychopathic, genocidal, homophobic masochistic creature, and heres the rub, he does not exist.
roac7777 2 years ago
We are all self-centered, prideful, egotistical, angry, megalomaniacs that will only do good if we can see a return on it.
Call that what you will. God calls it sin.
He made us to live rightly, we choose to sin.
leslanfear 2 years ago