GOOD Magazine: Veterans

[ISRAEL194]

??? kind off  pointless

[rizzo256]

let's hear more from the people who have been there. the people who have seen things nobody should ever see. i'm sick of the politicians talking about iraq like they know more than the next bureaucrat. shut them up. let's hear from the people who deserve our respect and attention.

[anant12345]

This series is amazing.

He is right,

we all live our lives happily here,

while people are dying for us.

He makes a good point,

but I agree to stay in Iraq.

So many reasons.

[cincin3]

exactly vets fr vietnam found the same thing coming home. People have little thoughts to the war going on at that time. I saw some viet. vets in hawaii in '71 having some R&R, but they looked pretty post traumaed to me, poor things couldnt focus on the Hula SHow. take care guys

[ssabet2]

No one's fooled anymore.

How would you like it if some gangbangers wearing combat boots, helmets, fatigues, and holding massive firearms suddenly strutted around your neighborhood? Does it seem like they're looking to make friends?

Are they building hospitals? Roads? Schools? Soccer fields? Infrastructure? Do they understand the native culture, or is "yes, sir!" the only phrase worth repeating?

No.

Militaries are used by politicians to DESTROY stuff, not BUILD nations. Fuck 'em all.

[2ndview]

Military's not building the infrastructure, but they're helping to calm the area while things are built by others. Militaries are used to implement foreign policy. THat is what's happening in Iraq. Don't be fooled by the mumbo jumbo and false stories the media spins to make a sale.

Get a job that let's you see what it's really like in the world' it aint pretty. After 35 years in government service around the world, I've dealt with some high rollers. There's more to the "rest of the story.'

[michamus]

Maybe you should go over to Iraq and actually talk to Iraqi. I can tell you that I have seen sewer systems thought to be impossible to repair, or even the lack of any sanitation or running water. In a matter of months all of that changed for the better. We have built hospitals, created running water, roads, schools, and I even spent a whole damn week learning Iraqi and Middle Eastern Culture and Customs.

[michamus]

I think you should try and lift your head above the spin created by the media and liberal educators. I would highly recommend you enlist in the Military and volunteer to go over to Iraq and experience what is REALLY going on over there.

[Killroy1999]

After my Marine brother came back from his second tour where 8 of his buddies died, he did not want to talk about how much he hated Iraq. Why? For a country that poses no threat to us.

[warningdown]

your brother lost 8 of his buddies, this is war, cassualties are expected, as sick as that may sound. Using your defense, war is never justified? is that what your saying? some people think so, i dont ,but is that what your saying?

[Killroy1999]

So, you are saying Iraq is a just war?

[warningdown]

not JUST,thats putting words in my mouth, but it falls under the category of "war"

[2spacci1duro5]

warningdown- sounds a lot of empty meaningless words coming from someone who watches the war from his couch on cnn

not a single american should be forced to give his life for the freedom of another man not willing to fight for it himself. and that's exactly what i saw everyday in iraq.

[fox0311]

wow you are good, you sound like a lot of those terrorist media spinsters, maybe if you actually spent some time in Iraq youd know its not like that at all and youd quit spreading your fucking lies, or maybe you have spent time there but were too busy planting IEDs? Just a thought.

[Killroy1999]

What don't you call me a commie while your at it.

[ssabet2]

Sorry, Officer Carter, but no one in Iraq invited you and your tanks and your guns to come on over and "solve the problems of that country."

And why should we stop being happy and pay attention to another hustle by America's Military-Industrial complex? The only major reason to care is, Why should our money go to some violent money-grab which is destroying the lives of millions of innocent Iraqis? Is that a "duty" worth saluting?

[warningdown]

he never said an American generation will solve the problems, you hearing what you want to hear

[Saturn71]

ssabet2 kudos! totally agree w/ you.

[2ndview]

"No one in Iraq invited us?" Duh.... Innocent Iraqis? Apparently you didn't care about them when they were being killed by Saddam and his crew. Destroying the lives? I don't think so; read the actual statistics of the condition of the country...and not what the media is spewing.

I'm sorry you're living in a dream world. But you're not alone.

[ssabet2]

Cared about 'em back then too.  Whether it was under Saddam's brutal tyranny, during George H Bush's endless "operations", and while a generation of Iraqi youth were crippled by the Clinton-supported embargo on basic human needs.

It's quite simple: YOU DO NOT PROMOTE CIVILITY or AMERICAN-STYLE "DUH-MOCRACY" THROUGH VIOLENT MEANS.

[michamus]

You do if the violence is directed toward the ones committing the acts of mass genocide. Complacency is the true evil. The Iraqi people have been asking for our help long before Desert Storm. They have led revolts in hopes of our helping them, but individuals too selfish to assist in their liberation did nothing.

[tylermanchesteruntd]

very good point. very few pple actually realise we are at war