Tax and Spend - Political Satire Cartoon Animation - Pork Waste

[dayvidiot]

much better with snow

[GodlessInfinity]

Unfortunately taxes are a necessity for any equitable first world society, taxes pave roads, maintain fire departments, keep our obsolete military basis in Europe operational due to special interests within the military industrial complex, provide assistance to the poor and infirmed, and taxes are generally low enough that they're only a burden if you're making a lot anyway, 8% of a dollar isn't even a dime, it only adds up if you have a ton of money.

[truthadvocate]

@GodlessInfinity,

Taxes are not necessary. All services can be provided through voluntary exchange.

[GodlessInfinity]

@truthadvocate You mean like how our fire departments were run before we federalized them?

[truthadvocate]

@GodlessInfinity,

No, like how firefighters would behave if they had to compete to provide the best value to consumers with TODAY'S technology.

Major improvements to firefighting is the result of developments in technology from the accumulation of wealth. Not the result of forming a coercive monopoly and destroying all competition.

[GodlessInfinity]

@truthadvocate You mean like the fire department before we nationalized it then.

[truthadvocate]

@GodlessInfinity,

I just answered your question. Are you dissatisfied with my answer?

[GodlessInfinity]

@truthadvocate You obviously don't understand what the fire department was like before we federalized it. The technology hasn't changed much since then, not for putting out fires, and all of the technological changes that have happened since the federalization are pretty irrelevant, they could have happened anyway.

[truthadvocate]

@GodlessInfinity,

America started having government run fire departments around the time of the civil war. Prior to the 1860's insurance companies paid private fire brigades to save buildings. I can think of no reason that wouldn't work today. Communication technology, fire engines, hydraulic cranes, fire resistant material used in firefighter suits, jaws of life, advances in emergency medical care, etc. Are you saying there hasn't been any advances in these technologies since the 1860's?

[GodlessInfinity]

@truthadvocate Most states had private fire departments on up until the days of television and radio, and they would just ride past any home or building that wasn't covered.

[truthadvocate]

@GodlessInfinity,

Please share your source for this info.

If someone wasn't covered they could receive help for a higher price.

When you do something that damages your body, you experience pain & learn a valuable lesson. Likewise in an economy based on voluntary exchange you are punished for taking dangerous risks & rewarded for acting responsibly. By robbing innocent people to pay for emergency services that reward risk takers, the state reverses these incentives endangering our well being.

[GodlessInfinity]

@truthadvocate Oh yeah, if someone wasn't covered they could receive help for a higher price, and if they were poor? Oh poor people aren't people, no, only rich people are people. Yes taxes are theft, only private industry should be trusted absolutely, right? A house was allowed to burn down here in tennessee not too long ago, down in Obion county, one of the throwback areas that opts out of the state's fire tax and allows a private industry to control fires instead.

[truthadvocate]

@GodlessInfinity,

"poor people aren't people, no, only rich people are people" = strawman

You don't know what the price of fire protection would cost if fire fighting services were free to compete.

"only private industry should be trusted" = strawman

Trust has nothing to do with it. It's the incentives. Both public & private individuals can violate trust.

I still don't understand the crime in not performing a service when no contract has been signed & no payment has been made.

[GodlessInfinity]

@truthadvocate Yeah, and you trust the private industries to be incentived towards the common good, and poor people to always have enough money to afford necessary services. You're perfectly fine with a fire department watching someone's home go up in flames because he didn't remember to pay his subscription fee, it's anything at the altar of free market with you people.

[truthadvocate]

@GodlessInfinity,

You think people like me are cold heartless bastards that don't care about the poor. Nothing could be farther from the truth. You characterize me as worshiping an alter. Yet I reach my conclusions via deductive reasoning. Not blind faith. As most statists, you use fear tactics. You claim poor people will be burned alive if we don't accept the coercive monopoly that rules over us. Like telling Christians they'll burn in hell if they don't accept the Vatican that rules over them.

[GodlessInfinity]

@truthadvocate Don't kid yourself, you're the one talking about taking away people's welfare and turning our fire departments over to for profit private industries, I'm advocating preserving necessary social programs that no society has ever gotten far without.

[truthadvocate]

@GodlessInfinity,

I'm saying there's a better way. You've acquired an irrational hatred toward profit. When someone profits it means the quality of their life has improved. When people voluntarily exchange goods & services, they both profit, because they both value what they get more than what they give, otherwise they would not voluntarily make the exchange. It is involuntary exchange forced on us by government and criminals that results in a worse quality of life.

[GodlessInfinity]

@truthadvocate Your 'better' way is to cancel necessary social services and just turn everything over to private industry and expect everything to work out for the better, as if free market always works in the interest of the common good, and for the poor and those who can't afford services there isn't much thought. We all have a vested interest in things like public roads, public schools, public police, and public fire prevention, no society has ever gotten far without these things.

[truthadvocate]

@GodlessInfinity,

"as if free market always works in the interest of the common good" I wouldn't say that. Unlike the state, free individuals are MORE LIKELY to serve consumer interests because they don't have a monopolized legal power to initiate force against them.

"no society has ever gotten far without these things." Correlation doesn't equal causation. Forcing monopolies on others doesn't improve their lives.

Your grasp of free market economics resembles a Christian's grasp of evolution.

[GodlessInfinity]

@truthadvocate Companies are not individuals, they are machines that exist to make a profit, they can and do establish monopolies, and the pursuit of profit often undermines the public good. And again, no matter how you spin it, you're talking about taking away people's welfare and turning everything over to private industry.

Your faith in unfettered capitalism to somehow improve everything resembles the faith of many Christians.

[truthadvocate]

@GodlessInfinity,

There's a difference between monopolies that result from voluntary consumer choice & coercive monopolies that result from the threat of physical force. The former tends to serve consumers well because if it doesn't, a competitor will enter the market. The latter can treat consumers like dirt because it crushes competition using coercion.

If a business used the threat of physical force to coerce consumers into paying them, I would appose that business. Wouldn't you?

[GodlessInfinity]

@truthadvocate Just what do you think government's job should be?

[truthadvocate]

@GodlessInfinity,

Government defined as a group of people granting themselves a legal monopoly on the initiation of coercion against all others within an arbitrary geographic region is an inhumane system. What do I think government's job should be? To be left behind in the history books along with religion as just another horrible mistake.

Now answer my question. If a business used the threat of physical force to coerce consumers into paying them, wouldn't you oppose that business?

[GodlessInfinity]

@truthadvocate Thank you for redefining the word government for me. So you think there should be no government then? Even small remote tribes have government, in the form of mob rule, majority rule, autocracy, martial rule, village elders, you're actually promoting a new system of government based on capitalism, you simply haven't fleshed out all the details. By the way private companies are still allowed, there is no monopoly, and if you don't like taxes Sudan is tax free.

[Nightelfpwns]

ide rather go to dubai, i think there should be government but take it as far as anne rand's interpretation, the whole rant you just gave doesnt really justify anything other than mans will to dominate... try searching an animation called Barry says.. it might just shut you up

[GodlessInfinity]

@Nightelfpwns Ayn Rand was a delusional ideologue, and Barry Says only critiques America and it's military industrial complex. Government is an inevitability, that doesn't mean out specific form of government is necessary nor ideal, it just means that wherever people gather some form of government will emerge.

[GodlessInfinity]

By the way, private companies can form coercive monopolies, treat people like dirt, and get away with it by owning all viable alternatives. Am unregulated water company for instance can own all of the pipes and water supplies in a region, and bar other companies from competing, our government is so in bed with private industry that it already allows this in many areas.

[GodlessInfinity]

@truthadvocate Ah there it is, redundant post deleted.

[neanam]

he haw!!

[bubba007ss]

It had a message to it that's for sure. Thanks for subscribing

[Vugt89]

How do you make a animation like that?

[justanothersheeple]

cute how bout dollars being pissed away like estrogen polluted water