You have to give them something better that they find appealing. The best way to bring about change is to make it as painless as possible and even profitable. No one voluntarily gives up comfort and convenience nor do they give up their lifestyle simply because someone else says its unethical. Otherwise you only see change when there is a major catastrophic collapse.
The GAASP plan by Applied Ecotechnical Innovations is the current single best solution. Check it out on facebook.
I like how he thinks, but I COMPLETE and 100% REJECT that sustainability cannot be achieved. The problem is that Humans REQUIRE EXPANSION, to the Moon, to the Asteroid Belt, to Undersea Farms and Fish Ranches, but he does not even TOUCH on this.
He is interesting, but his PREMISE is that sustainability is impossible, and he GLOSSES over that.
@4148866 Also, some of what he is talking about is eco-terrorism. How much you want to be he's worth MILLIONS from his book sales? So HE is MASSIVELY benefiting from capitalism, the very thing he is preaching against.
@4148866 you say that as if there is an alternative? Is there some other way he could survive? & do you know he has medical issues, all of which, must be paid for in this capitalistic system. So he'd better make millions so he can afford to pay big-pharma for his medicine. PS: capitalism is terrorism, why do you think we're at war, resources, easier to steal then to purchase. That's what the system does. & you want to perpetuate that kind of abuse, what are you, a psychopath?
@Karmathejedi1701 Of course I'm psychopath, why else would I be listening to an individual who advocates the destruction of all civilization? What we (of like mind) find so funny about you're ivy-tower viewpoint of 'Civilization' is that you think when it falls you beatniks will remain in power. The Truth is that Civilization is the only thing that keeps people like me from tearing the throat out of people like you.
Movies like Mad Max aren't realistic because Mad Max would be leading them.
@Karmathejedi1701 Those clothes you wear everyday produced by women and children? That iPod you use that has chemicals used on it that have caused the factory workers blindness? The computer you're typing on that was made with products that will give the factory workers lung cancer before they're 60?
@Karmathejedi1701@Karmathejedi1701 You HAVE power, you simply don't recognize it. If/When civilization falls, you'll see how fast you throw your hippy-ethics away and take up the mantle of power. I've seen it, you'll be worse than me, because it'll be your first taste and you won't know how to handle it.
You don't believe me, but Stanford has already done the research. Search Youtube: Stanford Prison Experiment (Documentary)
@4148866 once one recognizes the psychology behind one's actions, they can change them. PS: youtube search/search my channel, i have a vid called How to hack the human brain trilogy, & i know more then you think, my father was a prison guard
i don't think it will take violence to transition to a sustainable society. but neither will it be voluntary. the transition will come because the thing about UNsustainable practises is that they can NOT be sustained whether you like it or not. 25more years of oil and it's over with industrial civilisation as we know it. although the right actions could prevent the complete deterioration of the earths ecosystems and carrying capacity before we get there. Get your forestgardens ready folks!!!
Violence, fighting the system, reverting back to ancient thinking....none of these things are possible! You guys are funny.
With the growing depletion of natural resources shaking hands with exponentially rising demand in all of those same resources, namely fresh water and fossil fuels, nature is going to do all of those things for us in the coming years. I pity you all in your shortsightedness.
He lost me when he was going on about the people he live with don't import any of their goods. People have been travelling and trading as long as they have been able to. "Any way of life that is based on a resource won't last"
Post-modernism has done a number on us. We need to engage with the world around us. YES HE IS TALKING ABOUT ISSUES THAT OUR CRITICAL TO OUR FUTURE. That does not translate into he has the answers.
Most people will violently defend their money because they see this as a negation of their rights, yet they deplore advocacy of the use of violence against people who are actively destroying our one and only planet as a means to get them to stop.
I could go on about all the different things that are wrong with his argument, but honestly it’s just easier to sit back and laugh, because for all his spluttering, and talk about bringing down this or that, he is entirely powerless to stop our progress and he will never, ever see the end of civilization. Sustainability is important but we will get there through progress in science and technology, not by fighting them. In the end humanity 2.0 will win out over some attempt to de-evolve.
We in the West are born in such deep denial that we can hear a man coherently speak truth and become angry because it forces us to admit TRUTH. Our denial allows men like Derrick or even Noam Chomsky to state well known truths and watch people react like they are learning something "new". We ALL know these truths but God forbid we ever mention them...
BRAVO! down with dams ,they r not just killing the fish .all this aside a very wise entity one told me that we r organisms of the planet ,we the organisms r merlly doing that wich we r being directed to do.the reason is all about balance ,or the lack there of.once the balance is restored paradice will cover the globe.
Unfortunately...What Derrick Jenson is proposing...is completely illogical and in no way possible. Yes the issues he mentions are real and do propose a threat to our way of life. However, the solution to those issues cannot be solved by Violence, cannot be solved by "bringing down civilization", cannot be solved by attacking those of authority. What we have now is a loss of balance in our world. We need to learn how to appropriately live in a civilization without harming the world around us.
@lovestarboi i agree with you, violence is not a foundation for a civilization. i also agree many of the threats he portends are real. Where he wants to crash te system, i want to create a new sustainable paradigm, which will leave the old one, obsolete. Please, visit thevenusproject dt com
@Karmathejedi1701 yes yes. Our culture of civilisation may be bankrupt - our religious over-consumption, for one - but our concept of it is not. He seeks a past that never was, and I demand a future that will be.
@lovestarboi He didn't say to initiate violence as a way to further the cause but argues that it's reasonable to act with violence if you're being attacked physically.
@lovestarboi He doesn't talk about how even if the Western Nations COMPLETELY dismantled everything, Dictators from other countries would come in and take over.
Only EXPANSION to the Moon, Asteroid Belts, Under the Ocean, and into the Air is sustainable. Expansionism is the only sustainable way, because humanity has exceeded the carrying capacity of the Earth, therefore, we MUST leave our cradle behind.
What does it really mean to remain in the stone-age? How would you go about restraining technological development? He glosses over so much-like nature, for instance; there is a possibility that we may never know or never have known a "connection" that would make seeing a tree anything more than cash-there's simply no way to measure this metaphysical or transcendent relationship with nature- all who are environmental/eco concerned need to see Slavoj Zizek's commentary in the doc "Examined Life"
@z05t9o i'm not interested in the stone age, i don't want to restrain technological development, i wish to expand it to it's fullest flower. & if all you see in nature is cash crops, then you are who the Native Americans were talking about when they said:
Only after the last tree has been cut down.
Only after the last river has been poisoned.
Only after the last fish has been caught.
Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten.
@z05t9o I don't think that he glosses over information, I think that he expects people to research things for themselves and come to their own conclusions.
@lol97d not only is everything you said wrong and a pathetic distortion of what he's *actually* communicating, but your ideas are based on a completely commonplace kind of misanthropy, so commonplace as to be *inauthentic*, in short you just agree with a different version of the same idiocy everyone is brought up with (indeed this misanthropy is brought about in a way similar to what he says in premise 14). if "human nature" is a bullshit concept you have *nothing* to stand on...
@lol97d A problem with your idea is that you're missing two assumptions. First assumption: voluntary extinction is possible. This is unlikely to be correct because people who follow this belief naturally select against their own genes, and those who do not believe this procreate and teach their beliefs to their children. Second you assume that a society needs to be utopian in order to be successful ecologically, yet humans are 200,000 years old, civilization just 10,000- and we were never saints
@lol97d yeah, well, i have a 7 year old, & i'm not about to teach him that, i believe he's awesome, & so are many other humans, whom i'd like to try living sustainable, off the grid & open source info. i'm saying, i'm not ready to give up on humanity yet, or on our biological imperatives of both creation & procreation. There is a way to live with the earth & respect it & have technological civilization. i've seen, we can build it, we have the technology. Jensen's work proves the NEED to do it.
premise 1: civilization (industrial) is not and can never be sustainable.
We have had civilization for millennia and it is only recently that our existence or its sustainability has been in question because of it ... or certain parts of it. This dork has no reason to even suggest this premise ... in other words the hidden premise he is pretending to avoid is that the main premise is a pile of crap..
@justgivemethetruth i think you're both wrong, Derrick because of the Sustainable living designs & systems is in both earthships & the venus project, & you because you are using an Ad Hominem attack calling him a "dork", & then you simply deny the information, with out any evidence to the contrary. Please, if you intend to have a rational discussion, that's great, if not, please, go pound sand, before i block you for being a troll.
I don't think using a insulting term towards Jensen makes my point wrong. I used that term because he has these puppy-dog looking eyes and talks to the group like he is being more honest than other people are being while he is jumping right over that as a given. Civilization is not by its nature un-sustainable. What do you call what the Native Americans had if it was not civilization?
When you listen to Jensen he is not above ad-hominem attacks, why should I have to be?
@justgivemethetruth another youtube asshole, he defines civilization clearly, you want to be nit-picky and caught up on the ecologically sustainable part and not the other cultural and psycho-social elements of its unsustainability (as if you're adding something insightful or at all helpful to the discussion)...what a fucking waste of text and time, no what the Native American's had does *not* fit his definition...
Also, there are many things Jensen says that I agree with, but because of his premises if I so much as say something that is out of their lines I get deleted. How is that any better than what he attacks? It looks to me like pure ego in order to maintain his political standing that cannot be challenged.
@justgivemethetruth you attacked him as "a dork" stop trying to back peddle, & yes i will delete you for an ad hominem trolling. Get your thought's together & come back later when you are ready for a mature discussion.
Hmm, the venus project. It also has unstated premises. One of them being that the extensive research that gets done (assuming there are the resources to do such research) about resources and consumption rates is that such research will show the that the kind of cities it wants to create are sustainable. There are a load of other problems with the Venus Project but the bottom line is that it is not proven at all that the kind of civilisation it wants to create is sustainable.
Millenia doesn't equal sustainable. However, this is now at least an order of magnitude more humans on the planet than millennia ago. Perhaps consumption at the rate that civilisation consumed several millennia ago could be maintained for some more centuries but that would still not be sustainable. As Jensen said consumption of any non-renewable resource is unsustainable and consumption of any renewable resource beyond its renewal rate is unsustainable.
I'm watching this for the fourth time now. People can label it as a "conspiracy theory" or "extremest wishful thinking" but no matter how skeptical you are, no matter how deeply you want to analyze this, he makes extremely important points.Points that are REALLY happening. Points that people are REALLY hiding from, and I think Derrick is a hero for showing people this.
@ubernerd35 that's because, as Derrick Jensen has said, this culture teaches us to hate everything that is wild and natural. like crying babies. waaaa! lol
I've watched this over 20x and it is always just as amazing... I don't care if that puts me on a terrorist watch list or not... I just hope the Feds actually watch these videos before they discriminate others for doing it... because its logical and will save everyone and their children.
The biggest problem that I can see ... since we're bashing things here ... is that the people who want to tear down - what do they want to replace things with?
If it is destroyed it is going to be replaced with something. any thing that is ended or destroyed is replaced by something. if you smash a sandcastle it is replaced with a pile of sand. For the price of destruction we had better get some improvement out the other side. I don't hear any talk about that from the Jensenites, probably because it would look ugly.
@ the sherif-thingf: At least in theory we live in a democracy. If people wanted to legalize living in houses or eating food of other people or even getting rid of possession or law enforcement, they could form a party and vote for themselves. Apparently either that is a bad idea (which i think) or the people are not intelligent enough to want that or we don't have a real democracy (could also be true).
A sustainalbe civilisation isn't possible because civilisations consume resources that are not regenerating?
But physically speaking matter can't vanish into nothing. The universe only get's warmer but you can't prevent that by living in the style of the stoneage.
Isn't it possible that someday we'll have efficient enough solar energy to transform trees or plastic to oil?
Of course humanity has yet to survive until it reaches that knowledge.
@wqtpuu So you are basing saving things on a hope that we might use a non renewable resurce to create solar power? The extraction of rare earth minerals pollutes at a huge level.
@MASTERARTGOD yes, i am suggesting doing more damage we will need to correct further, later, but at the moment, using more resources, to create a sustainable environment, would then end future excess production as we now have in the currently regulated "free" market. If we don't create a sustainable future, then the current socioeconomic paradigm will grind us into oblivion.
this smells a strong Ishmael smell...good.
im10pplok 13 hours ago
@im10pplok Help Wanted: will train, sincere desire to change the world required.
Karmathejedi1701 9 hours ago
You have to give them something better that they find appealing. The best way to bring about change is to make it as painless as possible and even profitable. No one voluntarily gives up comfort and convenience nor do they give up their lifestyle simply because someone else says its unethical. Otherwise you only see change when there is a major catastrophic collapse.
The GAASP plan by Applied Ecotechnical Innovations is the current single best solution. Check it out on facebook.
dirkstorm 4 days ago
Hmm, think I'll have to move to south America just before the seond stone age comes so I'll still be able to get my hands on raw chocolate!!!
PriorBrian 1 week ago
I like how he thinks, but I COMPLETE and 100% REJECT that sustainability cannot be achieved. The problem is that Humans REQUIRE EXPANSION, to the Moon, to the Asteroid Belt, to Undersea Farms and Fish Ranches, but he does not even TOUCH on this.
He is interesting, but his PREMISE is that sustainability is impossible, and he GLOSSES over that.
4148866 1 month ago
@4148866 Also, some of what he is talking about is eco-terrorism. How much you want to be he's worth MILLIONS from his book sales? So HE is MASSIVELY benefiting from capitalism, the very thing he is preaching against.
4148866 1 month ago
@4148866 you say that as if there is an alternative? Is there some other way he could survive? & do you know he has medical issues, all of which, must be paid for in this capitalistic system. So he'd better make millions so he can afford to pay big-pharma for his medicine. PS: capitalism is terrorism, why do you think we're at war, resources, easier to steal then to purchase. That's what the system does. & you want to perpetuate that kind of abuse, what are you, a psychopath?
Karmathejedi1701 1 month ago
@Karmathejedi1701 Of course I'm psychopath, why else would I be listening to an individual who advocates the destruction of all civilization? What we (of like mind) find so funny about you're ivy-tower viewpoint of 'Civilization' is that you think when it falls you beatniks will remain in power. The Truth is that Civilization is the only thing that keeps people like me from tearing the throat out of people like you.
Movies like Mad Max aren't realistic because Mad Max would be leading them.
4148866 1 month ago
@4148866 i want no power, that's the problem with you, & why you are a psycho
Karmathejedi1701 1 month ago
@Karmathejedi1701 Those clothes you wear everyday produced by women and children? That iPod you use that has chemicals used on it that have caused the factory workers blindness? The computer you're typing on that was made with products that will give the factory workers lung cancer before they're 60?
4148866 1 month ago
@Karmathejedi1701 @Karmathejedi1701 You HAVE power, you simply don't recognize it. If/When civilization falls, you'll see how fast you throw your hippy-ethics away and take up the mantle of power. I've seen it, you'll be worse than me, because it'll be your first taste and you won't know how to handle it.
You don't believe me, but Stanford has already done the research. Search Youtube: Stanford Prison Experiment (Documentary)
4148866 1 month ago
@4148866 once one recognizes the psychology behind one's actions, they can change them. PS: youtube search/search my channel, i have a vid called How to hack the human brain trilogy, & i know more then you think, my father was a prison guard
Karmathejedi1701 1 month ago
i don't think it will take violence to transition to a sustainable society. but neither will it be voluntary. the transition will come because the thing about UNsustainable practises is that they can NOT be sustained whether you like it or not. 25more years of oil and it's over with industrial civilisation as we know it. although the right actions could prevent the complete deterioration of the earths ecosystems and carrying capacity before we get there. Get your forestgardens ready folks!!!
Dailydose13 1 month ago
Violence, fighting the system, reverting back to ancient thinking....none of these things are possible! You guys are funny.
With the growing depletion of natural resources shaking hands with exponentially rising demand in all of those same resources, namely fresh water and fossil fuels, nature is going to do all of those things for us in the coming years. I pity you all in your shortsightedness.
prod1gy3000 2 months ago
What planet is this guy living on????????
ForcedToHaveToCommen 3 months ago
He lost me when he was going on about the people he live with don't import any of their goods. People have been travelling and trading as long as they have been able to. "Any way of life that is based on a resource won't last"
Post-modernism has done a number on us. We need to engage with the world around us. YES HE IS TALKING ABOUT ISSUES THAT OUR CRITICAL TO OUR FUTURE. That does not translate into he has the answers.
ForcedToHaveToCommen 3 months ago
Most people will violently defend their money because they see this as a negation of their rights, yet they deplore advocacy of the use of violence against people who are actively destroying our one and only planet as a means to get them to stop.
Pi11z3ury 3 months ago
I could go on about all the different things that are wrong with his argument, but honestly it’s just easier to sit back and laugh, because for all his spluttering, and talk about bringing down this or that, he is entirely powerless to stop our progress and he will never, ever see the end of civilization. Sustainability is important but we will get there through progress in science and technology, not by fighting them. In the end humanity 2.0 will win out over some attempt to de-evolve.
666Neph 3 months ago
We in the West are born in such deep denial that we can hear a man coherently speak truth and become angry because it forces us to admit TRUTH. Our denial allows men like Derrick or even Noam Chomsky to state well known truths and watch people react like they are learning something "new". We ALL know these truths but God forbid we ever mention them...
Peace, Randy
randy95023 3 months ago
"next time there is a big protest" Yup, peaceful protesters are portrayed as violent maniacs" by those with more power
moonmilk15 3 months ago
'Bring the f*cker down'!
CSDeVault 4 months ago
i'm stuck in the misery phase, and angry that ppl dont get this
themusmag 4 months ago
@themusmag welcome to the club.
kingxciter 2 months ago
BRAVO! down with dams ,they r not just killing the fish .all this aside a very wise entity one told me that we r organisms of the planet ,we the organisms r merlly doing that wich we r being directed to do.the reason is all about balance ,or the lack there of.once the balance is restored paradice will cover the globe.
bcdigit 5 months ago
Unfortunately...What Derrick Jenson is proposing...is completely illogical and in no way possible. Yes the issues he mentions are real and do propose a threat to our way of life. However, the solution to those issues cannot be solved by Violence, cannot be solved by "bringing down civilization", cannot be solved by attacking those of authority. What we have now is a loss of balance in our world. We need to learn how to appropriately live in a civilization without harming the world around us.
lovestarboi 5 months ago
@lovestarboi i agree with you, violence is not a foundation for a civilization. i also agree many of the threats he portends are real. Where he wants to crash te system, i want to create a new sustainable paradigm, which will leave the old one, obsolete. Please, visit thevenusproject dt com
Karmathejedi1701 5 months ago 2
@Karmathejedi1701 yes yes. Our culture of civilisation may be bankrupt - our religious over-consumption, for one - but our concept of it is not. He seeks a past that never was, and I demand a future that will be.
internetgoodbad 3 months ago
@lovestarboi He didn't say to initiate violence as a way to further the cause but argues that it's reasonable to act with violence if you're being attacked physically.
sirenlyfox 4 months ago 4
@sirenlyfox & it's ok to put your body between the wrongs of the system & those trying to perpetuate them
Karmathejedi1701 4 months ago
@lovestarboi He doesn't talk about how even if the Western Nations COMPLETELY dismantled everything, Dictators from other countries would come in and take over.
Only EXPANSION to the Moon, Asteroid Belts, Under the Ocean, and into the Air is sustainable. Expansionism is the only sustainable way, because humanity has exceeded the carrying capacity of the Earth, therefore, we MUST leave our cradle behind.
4148866 1 month ago
What does it really mean to remain in the stone-age? How would you go about restraining technological development? He glosses over so much-like nature, for instance; there is a possibility that we may never know or never have known a "connection" that would make seeing a tree anything more than cash-there's simply no way to measure this metaphysical or transcendent relationship with nature- all who are environmental/eco concerned need to see Slavoj Zizek's commentary in the doc "Examined Life"
z05t9o 5 months ago
@z05t9o i'm not interested in the stone age, i don't want to restrain technological development, i wish to expand it to it's fullest flower. & if all you see in nature is cash crops, then you are who the Native Americans were talking about when they said:
Only after the last tree has been cut down.
Only after the last river has been poisoned.
Only after the last fish has been caught.
Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten.
Karmathejedi1701 5 months ago 9
@z05t9o I don't think that he glosses over information, I think that he expects people to research things for themselves and come to their own conclusions.
sirenlyfox 4 months ago
@lol97d not only is everything you said wrong and a pathetic distortion of what he's *actually* communicating, but your ideas are based on a completely commonplace kind of misanthropy, so commonplace as to be *inauthentic*, in short you just agree with a different version of the same idiocy everyone is brought up with (indeed this misanthropy is brought about in a way similar to what he says in premise 14). if "human nature" is a bullshit concept you have *nothing* to stand on...
BrandonEM09 6 months ago
Thanks for posting this.
:)
asubjectiveopinion 6 months ago
@lol97d A problem with your idea is that you're missing two assumptions. First assumption: voluntary extinction is possible. This is unlikely to be correct because people who follow this belief naturally select against their own genes, and those who do not believe this procreate and teach their beliefs to their children. Second you assume that a society needs to be utopian in order to be successful ecologically, yet humans are 200,000 years old, civilization just 10,000- and we were never saints
rswcove 6 months ago
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rswcove 6 months ago
@lol97d yeah, well, i have a 7 year old, & i'm not about to teach him that, i believe he's awesome, & so are many other humans, whom i'd like to try living sustainable, off the grid & open source info. i'm saying, i'm not ready to give up on humanity yet, or on our biological imperatives of both creation & procreation. There is a way to live with the earth & respect it & have technological civilization. i've seen, we can build it, we have the technology. Jensen's work proves the NEED to do it.
Karmathejedi1701 6 months ago 2
think globally, trade locally. the clothing you're wearing is imported. support local textile businesses too!
jenniferjuniper97 7 months ago
premise 1: civilization (industrial) is not and can never be sustainable.
We have had civilization for millennia and it is only recently that our existence or its sustainability has been in question because of it ... or certain parts of it. This dork has no reason to even suggest this premise ... in other words the hidden premise he is pretending to avoid is that the main premise is a pile of crap..
justgivemethetruth 7 months ago
@justgivemethetruth i think you're both wrong, Derrick because of the Sustainable living designs & systems is in both earthships & the venus project, & you because you are using an Ad Hominem attack calling him a "dork", & then you simply deny the information, with out any evidence to the contrary. Please, if you intend to have a rational discussion, that's great, if not, please, go pound sand, before i block you for being a troll.
Karmathejedi1701 7 months ago
@Karmathejedi1701
I don't think using a insulting term towards Jensen makes my point wrong. I used that term because he has these puppy-dog looking eyes and talks to the group like he is being more honest than other people are being while he is jumping right over that as a given. Civilization is not by its nature un-sustainable. What do you call what the Native Americans had if it was not civilization?
When you listen to Jensen he is not above ad-hominem attacks, why should I have to be?
justgivemethetruth 7 months ago
@justgivemethetruth another youtube asshole, he defines civilization clearly, you want to be nit-picky and caught up on the ecologically sustainable part and not the other cultural and psycho-social elements of its unsustainability (as if you're adding something insightful or at all helpful to the discussion)...what a fucking waste of text and time, no what the Native American's had does *not* fit his definition...
BrandonEM09 6 months ago
@Karmathejedi1701
Also, there are many things Jensen says that I agree with, but because of his premises if I so much as say something that is out of their lines I get deleted. How is that any better than what he attacks? It looks to me like pure ego in order to maintain his political standing that cannot be challenged.
justgivemethetruth 7 months ago
@justgivemethetruth you attacked him as "a dork" stop trying to back peddle, & yes i will delete you for an ad hominem trolling. Get your thought's together & come back later when you are ready for a mature discussion.
Karmathejedi1701 7 months ago
@Karmathejedi1701
Hmm, the venus project. It also has unstated premises. One of them being that the extensive research that gets done (assuming there are the resources to do such research) about resources and consumption rates is that such research will show the that the kind of cities it wants to create are sustainable. There are a load of other problems with the Venus Project but the bottom line is that it is not proven at all that the kind of civilisation it wants to create is sustainable.
sofistek 6 months ago
@justgivemethetruth
Millenia doesn't equal sustainable. However, this is now at least an order of magnitude more humans on the planet than millennia ago. Perhaps consumption at the rate that civilisation consumed several millennia ago could be maintained for some more centuries but that would still not be sustainable. As Jensen said consumption of any non-renewable resource is unsustainable and consumption of any renewable resource beyond its renewal rate is unsustainable.
sofistek 6 months ago
It's a crying shame that he actually wants to save us. He could've been huge as a stand-up comic.
Tasermaxx 7 months ago
I'm watching this for the fourth time now. People can label it as a "conspiracy theory" or "extremest wishful thinking" but no matter how skeptical you are, no matter how deeply you want to analyze this, he makes extremely important points.Points that are REALLY happening. Points that people are REALLY hiding from, and I think Derrick is a hero for showing people this.
koopaatroopa 7 months ago
This guy is amazing
cmoneyct 7 months ago
Dislike due to a crying baby in the background.
ubernerd35 8 months ago
@ubernerd35 that's because, as Derrick Jensen has said, this culture teaches us to hate everything that is wild and natural. like crying babies. waaaa! lol
Res1514 8 months ago in playlist derrick jensen 3
@Res1514 Epic Response!
Truth @ubernerd35 is likely far to indoctrinated to understand.
Karmathejedi1701 8 months ago
definitely worth sharing. I'm surprised he's still alive, being that honest and public about these things.
dheublein 9 months ago
I've watched this over 20x and it is always just as amazing... I don't care if that puts me on a terrorist watch list or not... I just hope the Feds actually watch these videos before they discriminate others for doing it... because its logical and will save everyone and their children.
nbudzyn 9 months ago 2
@nbudzyn if you like Derrick's work that much, then please, keep an eye out, in June, he said he'll be on my podcast for an hour!
Karmathejedi1701 9 months ago
@nbudzyn you HOPE? Dont HOPE or belive. You need to act !
Bamlikebambam 9 months ago
amazing video...
alleykittensz 9 months ago
The biggest problem that I can see ... since we're bashing things here ... is that the people who want to tear down - what do they want to replace things with?
justgivemethetruth 10 months ago
@justgivemethetruth Who says it needs to be repaced with anything?
oggleman 7 months ago
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@oggleman
> Who says it needs to be repaced with anything?
If it is destroyed it is going to be replaced with something. any thing that is ended or destroyed is replaced by something. if you smash a sandcastle it is replaced with a pile of sand. For the price of destruction we had better get some improvement out the other side. I don't hear any talk about that from the Jensenites, probably because it would look ugly.
justgivemethetruth 7 months ago
He's intelligent. This is always refreshing. :)
Neurolanis 10 months ago
@ the sherif-thingf: At least in theory we live in a democracy. If people wanted to legalize living in houses or eating food of other people or even getting rid of possession or law enforcement, they could form a party and vote for themselves. Apparently either that is a bad idea (which i think) or the people are not intelligent enough to want that or we don't have a real democracy (could also be true).
wqtpuu 10 months ago
A sustainalbe civilisation isn't possible because civilisations consume resources that are not regenerating?
But physically speaking matter can't vanish into nothing. The universe only get's warmer but you can't prevent that by living in the style of the stoneage.
Isn't it possible that someday we'll have efficient enough solar energy to transform trees or plastic to oil?
Of course humanity has yet to survive until it reaches that knowledge.
wqtpuu 10 months ago
@wqtpuu i think you kinda missed the point
ikov 9 months ago 2
@wqtpuu So you are basing saving things on a hope that we might use a non renewable resurce to create solar power? The extraction of rare earth minerals pollutes at a huge level.
MASTERARTGOD 2 weeks ago
@MASTERARTGOD yes, i am suggesting doing more damage we will need to correct further, later, but at the moment, using more resources, to create a sustainable environment, would then end future excess production as we now have in the currently regulated "free" market. If we don't create a sustainable future, then the current socioeconomic paradigm will grind us into oblivion.
Karmathejedi1701 2 weeks ago
This is an amazing presentation and and amazing human being- life changing for me.
tomwjohnston 10 months ago
Outstanding!! Thank-you
angelbe88 10 months ago
Listen to this and prepare to change.
marywarmer 11 months ago 13