@jasperr8 you're fucking stupid when you relly believe that.. do you know mao zedong? no? then look him up! you're right, they were big war criminals, but this doesn't make any of todays wars better.
@jasperr8 hmm...then you maybe lack the knowledge that the USA really profitted through hitler...search for prescott bush...biggest profiteur of the WW2 ever!!!
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war is the big profit generator. they will never allow us to take that from them. constant wars=constant profits=indefinite control. the disgusting part of it is that these war criminals will never be brought to justice. only the citizens will feel the reprecussions of it all.
We all gotta go against them TOGETHER...don't fight over unnecessary stuff...talk about the important issues and let's talk about it in a diplomatic way....please :-)
So what do you think about exchanging emails so we can send each other good links and stories and so we can talk about issues which caught and catches our attention...I'd like that very much. :-)
The pentagon will be killing bad news reporters next. Typical AIPAC fed military brats Behavior. Any military sucking up to AIPAC lovers in the military need to die.
Google Jeff Fisher Peace on Earth Forever and everyone please take it to the streets and all try to come to Philadelphia USA and fill the city up by the millions of protestors and peace lovers.
lol...I was born in England but grew up in the states damn near all my life you douche bag. What, because I'm currently in Canada that makes me a canadian? why don't you address the issues here so I can attack your intelligence.
Typical name calling liberal that's not even smart enough to know how to reply on Youtube. Attack my intelligence-You don't even know how to spell Al-Qaeda. I thought you were from Canada smart guy because you chose to display the Canadian flag on your channel. Liberals like you would rather side with evil over good or right over wrong. You're not worth debating. You make factual claims based from liberal idiotic propaganda. I couldn't care less what you think & consider you lost. Cheerio mate.
oh no...I spelt al-qaeda wrong. Because of that, you must be right and I must be wrong! You conservatives are the dumbest people on the planet. It's people like you why we're ranked something like 37th when it comes to eductation and to be honest I think the number is probably higher than that. You repugs are so backward that you would elect a 72 year old man to run our country. Isn't it irronic that the only job in the country McCain is eligible to have by law is the president? repugs = idiots
Do you know anything about this topic? Syria has addapted this new policy that no longer allows Iraqis with no visas to enter into their country. They are being turned back at the border when they try to escape this madness. So basically they're FORCED to go back to Iraq. Syria was the only country to allow Iraqis citizens into their country without visas but they stopped that now. As far as segragation goes, how is that freedom? lol...We've turned them into america in the 40's only 10x worst.
So if you think this idiotic surge is working then think again buddy. 80% of Iraqis don't want us there and two thirds of the Iraqis parliment voted on a timetable for withdrawl yet none of this is extensivly coverd in the news. The truth is that alquida is not the reason why were staying in Iraq. They're a sunni group which will be obliterated by the Iran backed shias and even some of the other sunni groups. Were there because we know Iran will basically take over Iraq, hense no oil for us.
I just checked and you're from Canada. Good luck with your liberal multiculturalism experiment. Can't wait for that to blow up in your faces like Europe or is it called Eurabia now? Canabia can't be far off, if liberals get their way.
Conspiracy created in a vacuum once again. They're "former" military. Who's to say they didn't always agree, disagree or do now? Sometimes they're right & wrong while still wearing the uniform. Skepticism is necessary to "any" reporting. Free speech-free press. These accusations are silly & meant to discredit "opinionated" information on its face. Obviously someone's not happy with former military members opinions now U.S. soldiers have been succeeding.
how is this a conspiracy? this is a PROVEN FACT, WITH ACTUAL DOCUMENTS TO PROVE IT! As for your "opionated information" theory goes, When Paul Vallely talked to times magazine he stated that he felt things were going badly in Iraq when it came to american deaths and the insurgancy but when on faux noise network he tells hannity that things are looking good. WTF's up with that? If congress had any balls these people would be in jail for purposefully misleading the american people, a.k.a "treason"
I remember FMR General Barry McCaffrey was the first who was brutal in his criticism of military tactics, numbers of troops and how they were being used in Iraq. He was right & the surge has proven him right. Favorite argument by liberals is -- taken out of context. How does it feel when I can use the same argument to any of this nonsense?
umm...your an idiot. How has the surge worked? Because american deaths are down? Because the deaths of Iraqis are down? If those are your excuses then you conservatives are fucking clueless and have no business handling the war for another four years. American deaths are down because 4 million Iraqis have been displaced and are no longer there and Iraqis deaths are down because everybody is COMPLETLY segragated. 85% of the country is now shia and 10% sunni. Iraq is now an extension of Iran.
Insane denial of facts. Refugees have been returning for over a year. Who's to say how many left or don't want to return because they're "free" to do so? Completely segregated? Again free to do so if that keeps the peace. What, you thought this would be over with a happy ending like in a 30 minute sit com? Death tolls are down because of our soldier's efforts defeating an oppressive ideology with a better ideology- freedom of choice. Umm- you're an anti America liberal.
I don't see the point in arguing over the nature of democrats' or republicans' honesty, as the politicians of both parties are overwhelmingly worthless, with few exceptions (eg: Ron Paul).
Uh-oh, a double "moron" malediction -- how dare I observe Democrat treason!
The spy & CAIR operative so adored by Democrat congressmen, Muthanna Al-Hanooti, was just FEDERALLY INDICTED last month, 26 March 2008. (Hint to a clue: Making bail isn't the end.)
Your frenetic defense of the THREE "ANTI-WAR" DEMOCRAT CONGRESSMEN he owned, including "Baghdad Jim", is rather amusing. Democrats try to offset the transparency of their treasons with the volume of their tireless lies.
Of course, and yet. That's why they call it an "ingvestigation". Again, it's just begun.
Democrats have no problem dismissing their growing list of treasons; no problem supporting Islamist propaganda; yet retired US military officers allowed to speak on TV is just unacceptable.
Democrats are a long running bad joke against America.
According to your ilk, those "with power" who side WITH America in this war are criminal imbeciles. Ever more so, according to your ilk, regarding any & all matters of national defense. Yet here you point to such "war criminals" as your legal guide to defend Democrat treasons. Oops.
You see, a problem Democrats now face is they've told such a thick web of lies that one tends to "bitch slap" the other, to use compassionate-liberal lingo.
The DOJ investigation has just begun. Here are the three treasonous "anti-war" congrressmen CAUGHT with your Iraqi spy & CAIR operative:
Jim McDermott (D), WA
David Bonior (D), MI
Mike Thompson (D), CA
You know CAIR, the Muslim group working with Democrat legislators to sue US citizens who report spys, and to attack US telecom companies for their "crime" of helping the FBI track Al-Quida after 9/11.
There was just a huge party during which the whitehouse press corps rubbed elbows and brownnosed with the unindicted warcriminals.
It would be so rude and spoil the festive atmosphere to start talking about such offenses. It's important that the rulingclass present to us all how to be civilized.
Please keep lying to defend Muslim spies, Muslim frauds, and Democrat politicians cuaght committing treason, whilst faking outrage because retired US Military officers are also allowed to speak. It's working wonders, I'm sure of it.
I don't mind the Generals coming on to talk, but they should say something like:
Okay, in the interest of full disclosure I should reveal Halliburton has paid me $12,000.00 over the past 12 months, Blackwater has paid me $6,000.00, and the Pentagon has paid me $8,000.00.
Now, what were you asking me?
Oh, yeah...How did I think the war is going? And do I think we should stay over there longer?
Of course, the TV networks want to ignore it because it's not only a huge scandal to the Pentagon but also a huge scandal to the media outlets. Who will watch their shows if they dig deeper? Who will trust them?
Vote for greed and corruption! Vote for pre-emptive war! Vote for ignoring the budget deficit and continuing to implement tax cuts that primarily benefit the wealthy! Vote for lies and deception! Vote for privatizing education and health care so only the rich can afford it! Vote to destroy the middle class so we only have two classes: super rich and super poor! Vote to destroy America! Vote Republican!!!!
The Wagons are circling. The bubble is bursting. lets face it folks the talking heads..the barbie, and ken dolls that started appearing on nightly news, the news department increasingly looking like showbiz tonight. There WAS a time when the anchors pedigree was that of a journalist first. knowlton nash, walter kronkite, now what do u see? Radio talk-show hosts imported to TV. slowly but surely the people are awakening..Dynamite job Veracifier..thanks for posting.
Veracifier might take the point of view that sales representatives for military contractors posing as independent experts on news broadcasts are good for our Middle Eastern war efforts, and should be encouraged to promote Bush's policies so that military contractors make more money.
Bush or McCain or Obama or Clinton you've got a choice: 1)conflicts or 2)isolationism. Independent contracts are not plumbers they are reporters and I am personally interested in what the troops are doing that protect your freedom
There is no reason for the propaganda machine to acknowledge itself... At least the NY Times still has the balls to run a story like this. I'm sure even they have a stop limit of what they would run.
This reminds me of Nazi war propaganda... How are you going to convince a group of people to continue a murder spree in the righteous name of das homeland!? Spread mis-information!
Instead of the Jew, it was Hussain and Bin Laden. We were sold a fake fucking war, we need to revolt!
That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department, and claims she witnessed evidence of the semi-official infrastructure of money-laundering and narcotics trade behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege,"
What?? b/c he is the only one that talks substance?? I made one comment about Ron Paul. So anyone that talks substance is compared to jesus? I don't have any respect for jesus.
Obama, Hillary and McCain don't talk about anything. Its so vague.
launched in early 2002 by then-Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs Victoria Clarke. The idea was to recruit "key influentials" to help sell a wary public on "a possible Iraq invasion." (sourcewatch)
FOLLOW THE MONEY
From the NYT article which broke the story
"Defense Dept Spokesman Brian Whitman defended..."
Who is Bryan Whitman? OH - Bryan Whitman Corp. (NYSE) PEPSIAMERICAS INC (see SEC filings)
Let's take Col. Paul Vallely - Special ops extraordinaire-his involvement with "experimenting," is documented...tomorrow let's see if he has a paper money trail similar to Bryan Whitman. More than a few of these neocon warhawks really "dig" their jobs.
There's a truckload of these twisted bastards that should be rounded up and put through a few of their own programs, along with the college boys, receiving collegiate grants, using our tax money to bait the threads.
What about the defense contracts these retired brass may have "scored" for the companies they were retained by as a result of shilling for the administration? This story stinks -- from the side of the media, and on the side of the "patriotic" retired brass. Is there no sense of shame alive in America anymore?
I don't buy into the insinuation of conspiracy here. Of course these generals would say "War is the answer. Its a good idea," because that was the political climate at the time and they're career military (duh).
And OF COURSE they would say "I knew things were bad from the beginning," years later because hindsight is 20/20 and everyone wants to be right. It's natural human behavior, shadow government conspiracies are not necessary to explain it.
Barry McAffrey?? We're gonna listen to his dumb ass for military advice? After he voluntarily took a job as head of the DEA, that corrupt overly authoritarian bastard of a gov't agency?? Hell no!
IT boils down to THE PENTAGON is A SPIN factory with a blank check-the Heritage foundation and a shitload of other neocon think tanks with highly paid staff who write the script. We help em too. They check occasionally to see what public sentiment is. They play us like a finely-tuned fiddle!
The true problem with the media, as well as the proof that it's bought and paid for, comes in the fact that reporters don't investigate anymore. They report both sides and then say "you decide." But that isn't the whole job-they're supposed to investigate the claims made by both sides and help us to understand the issue.
Global warming is a perfect example-the entire contrary opinion on global warming originates from a paid public relations campaign w/ no peer-reviewed validity whatsoever.
...that letter was a fake--and a significant one because there is equally good reason to believe that it was one product among many from a new machinery of propaganda which has been created by the United States and its allies since the terrorist attacks of Sept 2001.
For the first time in human history, there is a concerted strategy to manipulate global perception. And the mass media are operating as its compliant assistants, failing both to resist it and to expose it."
i think haveing a palestinian state how would we take it if prime minister of israel gave the indians their land back would we have it, no so the solution is for them to share why does no one know that or even suggest
These guys are so career oriented and on board that they are not eve aware they are sucking the teet of big money. It's all about the marvelous magical money. This is why there should be a lottery where rich people lose their money. They have to give rebate check to the poor and start all over. that sounds good to me. If they don't come clean then they can be wash boarded. It is like water boarded but with soap.
LOL! I like it. Funny how all these neoCONS like to talk about how important this war is & what a grave danger we're in and all of these Pentagon types earning their six-figures pimping for Rumsfeld & Cheney but, when it comes to actually PAYING for this war of wars, this WWIII, this epoch battle between good & evil, 'well... shit man, I can't be asked to pay TAXES! AAAHHH! God forbid we actually PAY for this war. I mean, Lord knows OUR kids aren't going to fight it!' What total bullshit.
The Pentagon knows that the media is loaded with anti-war liberals that would love to undermine the Iraq war. They did the same thing during the Vietnam war; Liberals are the enemy within. They hate the police, the military and capitalism. This is not about Bush, this is about their hate for capitalism and their goal is to destroy the USA from within.
I think you're right. Republicans understand that properly functioning capitalistic state would be ruled by the military. The Military would decide on all capitalistic endeavors and the the police state would make sure that the people do as they are told.
Liberals would hate living under such a system, but it doesn't matter. The conservatives are building their reality now.
One aspect of the plan, is to use war to drive fuel and food prices high, to break the economy through shock and awe.
The basis of the US involvement was military driven capitalism.
The oil industry though there might be oil in the Gulf Tonkin. So a false flag incident was manufactured to provide cover for exploratory drilling. No oil was found, but the war provided a great revenue stream for the military industrial complex.
One reason put forth for JFK's assassination was that he might end the war. LBJ like the war just fine.
Thats nonsense...the Vietnam war was put into motion by Eisenhower's cancellation of elections in Vietnam, specified by the peace treaty with the French, in 1956...after that it was simply a case of throwing bodies (by both Democratic and Republican administrations) on in an attempt to prop up a puppet state that had no legitimacy
Recent history since I was out of diapers would seem to disagree with you. Nicaragua, El Salvador, Iraq v1, Iraq v2, Granada,,...., versus Kosovo? How far back do we go? It seems your founder Abe gave us a war that killed more Americans than any "liberal" war. Give me a World view lesson.
Sorry, the neoCONS are beating them to it! Losing wars, creating more terrorists, letting Bin Laden go free, bankrupting the American people, refusing to do anything about our 'addiction to oil' (Bush's words), refusing to heed warnings of an impending attack on the US, FTAA, giving China preferred trade status, Columbian Free Trade, etc etc... Looks like the CONS are doing quite a good job of destroying this country without any help from those on the left.
sallee 'The Pentagon knows that the media is loaded with anti-war liberals that would love to undermine the Iraq war' Thots on Judith Miller and Michael Gordon from the NYT - the paper that sets the agenda for the other media outlets? It surprising they had time to write articles while waving their war pom poms. The "liberal" media is a myth, as this video shows
Explain with facts how liberals hate those things? Because we don't blindly follow them? What is American about blindly following anything? Face it you don't know what your talking about.
I miss our free media ... corporate controlled television news media have resulted in a dramatic reduction in follow-up in-depth reporting, lax reporting on corporate and political crime and scandal, and lack of coverage of important news which is the backbone of real journalism ... and a simultaneous stark rise in puff pieces which have no direct impact on the general populace -- celebrities, local crime, fake outrage issues, and news as entertainment rather than as useful information ...
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The Pentagon knows that the media is loaded with anti-war liberals that would love to undermine the Iraq war. They did the same thing during the Vietnam war; Liberals are the enemy within. They hate the police, the military and capitalism. This is not about Bush, this is about their hate for capitalism and their goal is to destroy the USA from within.
WWIII started on 9/11 genius and we are going to war with Russia and China very soon over oil. You will wake up when the nukes go off jackass. You really think we are just fighting a bare foot muslim in a cave? LMAO
You need to reflect on your modes of thought sir. You seem to be stuck in a pathological strand of bullshit mongering, where your own thoughts spin fast enough that they never touch the ground and therefore never supplant themselves long enough to stand on any valid principles.
Gee. So, you think we can fight and win WWIII AND pay nothing is taxes!? Your boy Bush must be a fucking wizard or something to pull that off!
You are too old to be this dumb. Russia is flush with oil. And, Bush's policies in the mid-east have made them RICH RICH RICH to the point where they're now a world player AGAIN! And, he gave China preferred trading partner status! But, you'll whine about 'liberals' not getting 'it'. Wake up already. Your partisanship has blinded you.
Why would I, a liberal, or my "liberal" friends want to undermine the country.
You have been eating Limbaugh's, O'reilly's, and Hannity's shit for so long it's now filling your brown eyes, blinding you.
I love my country and we need a new direction that understands Iraq cannot be militarily forced into Democracy, an economic policy of shared prosperity with the middle class will save us now and keep us from further recession, and universal health care works.
WWIII started on 9/11 genius and we are going to war with Russia and China very soon over oil. You will wake up when the nukes go off jackass. You really think we are just fighting a bare foot muslim in a cave? LMAO
The sad part is that in their lust for war, the Israelis are polluting their own land with depleted uranium. Poisoning their descendants for the next few billion years.
As this war ramps up, China and Russia will be supplying Hamas with depleted uranium shells to match those that the Israelis use. They'll rain back down into Israeli farms and water cachements.
Everyone will lose to satisfy the Israeli lust for war.
Israeli lust for war? Are you for real? This channel really is a haven for the deranged. It's all the arabs who want nothing but war and are using the palestinians as tools to attack israel politically and terrorize it's citizens (since they can't do it militarily). I guess you're also one of the people who want to see Israel destroyed, but of course you don't want people to see you for the piece of shit that you are, so you're inventing some clever excuses to spew out your hate speech. Idiot.
So when is Israel going to quit being a Welfare Queen, earn their own way and fight their own battles? How long will Israel collect free money from the USA and do nothing but get fat?
You ran away from Hamas in Lebanon for Chrissakes.
You ridicule Americans, yet our soldiers are dying for your hubris in Iraq. A battle you're people don't have the spine to show up for.
When is Israel going to send troops to help fight her battles?
We ran away from hamas in lebannon? That was hizbollah you idiot. And we didn't run away, that weasel Olmert did.
Also, where did you get the notion that Iraq was Israel's war!? It it were, I can assure you we would be fighting it, and winning.
And lastly I have nothing but deep seated respect for americans. I just feel sorry for america for having crazies like you hating and trying to undermine their own country from within.
You're right, anti-Arab Anti-Semite, Israeli Hate, and war loving boy.
I mis-wrote about Hamas. You got me.
If you're right, and only sane people lust for war, and to slaughter other human beings, then call me crazy.
You don't have to worry, your war is coming. You'll be in after the US bombs Iran. You'll be in the dust with a gun, able to satisfy your lust for killing. you'll be able to breath the DU and enjoy the stench of war. Good luck. It may not be as fun as you think.
Israel is a peaceful nation, amongst a sea of arab racism, radicalism, and hate. Arab nations are the only ones that broadcast anti-semetic racist shows and propaganda on national TV channels, quite similar to the same propaganda used by the Nazis to dehumanize jews and increase hate and animosity towards them. The only thing stopping israel from being destroyed is it's military power.
So don't even try your silly little games of pretending to be "anti-war" or "peace loving" to disguise your vile racism and hate. I hope you're not late for your next KKK meeting you piece of shit.
lol.. I don't think even you buy the bullshit you just wrote there. You loosely stringed together comparison of Israel to the KKK is a hallmark to your desperation.
Feigned victimization? I just told you that arabs sponsor anti-semetic TV shows on government televisions channels... you're trying to argue that that's not true? Did the "hateful prejudiced black people" do that against white people as well? lol you really are laughable.
At least try better to disguise your racism & hate.
Don't forget that Israel has more than fifty years of experience in groveling in the dirt, panhandling for money.
It's been explained to me a number of times that if the US didn't give you billions of dollars a month, you couldn't survive. you're a nation of professional beggars.
As I see it, the hate goes both ways. We see films of Israelis shooting children in the back for sport. We see Palestinians throwing rocks. Why do I have to pay for this crap?
Are you sure you're not a Hamas spokesman? lol... Israelis shooting children in the backs for sport... sure! This is the same type of arab propaganda meant to demonize Israel to morally "justify" the extermination of all the jews.
It's really Ironic that this channel, which is essentially a left-wing propaganda channel, is "outraged" at this so called scandal. Then again the hypocrisy of these left wing loons is nothing new.
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"lying in order to get people killed"... you're leaping to conclusions without any facts. That's all you people ever seem to do.
And my point was the hypocrisy of all you liberal loons, and the people behind this channel. You are not serious people. Most of you are really child like in your overly simplistic thinking and your overall mentality and level of maturity.
You're right. They don't care about the people. They don't lie to get people killed.
They lie for the money. Getting people killed is just a way to get the big bucks.
It takes a war to create the justification to ship trillions of dollars out of a country. there is no other endeavor that the people would stand to spend themselves into slavery and sacrifice for.
The Republicans want the gas prices to keep going higher and the war will keep driving it up.
lol that's a very "interesting" way to see the world. If you hadn't taken all those drugs when you were younger, perhaps your brain would function better now and you wouldn't be such a polarized liberal clown in your thinking.
This really is hilarious.. one loon after another responding to me, only proving their own mental retardation with their ridiculous detached from reality points of view, and their stupid comments.
I see.. please point out the comments of the people who replied to me, and show me the logic behind them, or the lack of polarized thinking?
Your comment defines Irony. You have the most far left wing loony toons on here with the most extreme polarized views making comments, and yet you choose to say that about me. It just shows how out of touch with reality you actually are. And why have you assumed I was a polarized neocon without any evidence to support that at all?
You started out on this thread with the statement; 'It's really Ironic that this channel, which is essentially a left-wing propaganda channel, is "outraged" at this so called scandal. Then again the hypocrisy of these left wing loons is nothing new.'
and, you're asking us to point out the logic in the responses you got!? LOL! You really ARE a fool!
No, I was just referring to how funny it was that you could actually write a comment accusing me of polarized thinking and lack of logical arguments among a myriad of comments that were made by far left wing loons with the most extreme examples of what you were accusing me of.
The answer is of course obvious. You're one of them lol
No hypocrisy. This channel makes no attempt to brand itself 'Fair and Balanced'. It's a YouTube channel. If you can't tell the difference, you're a fool.
Nanquan thank you proving my point...you're not interested in a debate, you just want to throw insults...you don't want democracy, you want a one party state where dissent is an "enemy within"
BTW the lies to get us into and perpetuate this war is obvious to anyone who's head isn't firmly implanted in the military industrial complex's ass
A debate requires two intelligent parties who can objectively look at a situation, weight in the FACTS, and not make irrational and emotional *conclusions* on a whim left right and center. If I saw any potential for an actual debate on this channel that would be great. But you can't really have a debate with people who are polarized in their thinking and lack the intellectual capacity to think rationally.
Nanquan you have yet offer any facts, other than obviously the Veracifier is left of center...instead you offer only insults appropriate to a 3rd grade playground
FACT the administration and Pentagon REPEATLY LIED and CONTINUE to LIE about Iraq being a part of "the War on Terror"...Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan and is now in Pakistan, not in Iraq...we are fighting mostly Sunni Arab Nationalists and Shiite religious fundamentalists there, not Islamicists like Al Qaeda
1: a piece of information about circumstances that exist or events that have occurred; "first you must collect all the facts of the case"
2: a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened; "he supported his argument with an impressive array of facts"
3: an event known to have happened or something known to have existed; "your fears have no basis in fact"; "how much of the story is fact and how much fiction is hard to tell"
Yeah, it's just shorter to call someone a "loon" rather than write "Most of you are really child like in your overly simplistic thinking and your overall mentality and level of maturity." every single time.
propaganda implies that its not true, and thats not a case you can make, at least when it comes to the war. even if it is propaganda, lies and deception are admirable traits to israelis. so I guess that's a complement
"even if it is propaganda, lies and deception are admirable traits to israelis"...
Yet another loon who seems to have leaped to conclusions without knowing what he's talking about. This channel is full of people like this, it's really quite sad.
Nanquan491. I would tend to agree with you on your criticism on this comment but the hard question is how you judge ALL critiques of Israel. It seems to many in the US that there are two types of comments about Israel and nothing in between.
1. Pro-Israel comments.
2. Antisemetic Anti-American hate filled diatribes bordering on terrorism.
I consider himself a moderate on the issue. I wonder what the long term impact is of marginalizing others on this issue. You might want to?
roach, wow right on queue. I would like to hear your thots on how criticizing US foreign policy is hating the USA or pro Al queda. Also, your thots on free speech would be interesting as it seems u arent a big fan.
No, people are criticizing countries, not policies. Israel and the USA could have perfectly bening or accepted policies and these twerps (incl you) would still hate on those countries
roach, nice job, that reply had it all. Incoherent, senseless, ad hom attacks and typos. Surprisingly, you avoided the question. 'people are criticizing countries' sounds juvenile but maybe you need to elaborate?
Our government lying to us to go to war, a false war which destroys our standing in the world, destroys millions of lives, destroys our economy at large, and diverts all of our attention from the real terrorists we should be hunting down and breaking up is bad no matter who does it.
It was bad when Democrats started it Vietnam, it's more egregious now and much more profitable for those who proliferate its goals, it's ever changing goals.
You fail to see the hypocrisy I speak of? Just look at the title of this video: "Media Fails To Ask Hard Questions". And where exactly was this channel when when all the left wing media was propping up Obama despite all his crazy policies, and all the skeletons in his closet? Why didn't we see a video up titles "Media fails to ask Obama the hard questions" ? It's really just stating the obvious, but this channel is run by far left wing liberals who only put on vids tht support their ideology.
USA - Third Reich...same Shit, different Assholes.
michelkoch 1 year ago
HITLER & STALIN WERE BIGGST WARCRIMINAL EVER!
USA = LITTLE FISH :)
jasperr8 1 year ago
@jasperr8 you're fucking stupid when you relly believe that.. do you know mao zedong? no? then look him up! you're right, they were big war criminals, but this doesn't make any of todays wars better.
plummmbumm 1 year ago
@jasperr8 hmm...then you maybe lack the knowledge that the USA really profitted through hitler...search for prescott bush...biggest profiteur of the WW2 ever!!!
LeoGMaster 1 year ago
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CURTB40 1 year ago
What are they wanting to dig for? So pathetic.
thavador 1 year ago
war is the big profit generator. they will never allow us to take that from them. constant wars=constant profits=indefinite control. the disgusting part of it is that these war criminals will never be brought to justice. only the citizens will feel the reprecussions of it all.
IIXBRUTEXFORCEXII 1 year ago
these retired army bozos are saying what they are told to say,backed up by some cash they're ready to suck any cock and swallow.................
aligoulou 1 year ago 2
They do it all for you ?? or for theirself ?
eksman187 1 year ago
WAR is BIG BUSINESS!!!
log140 2 years ago 16
uh yes, and much war makes you addicted to it
Leftyotism 2 years ago
We all gotta go against them TOGETHER...don't fight over unnecessary stuff...talk about the important issues and let's talk about it in a diplomatic way....please :-)
VerenaReichart 2 years ago 7
VerenaReichart, best comment on YouTube ever!!!
agnostikus 2 years ago 2
Your comment just made my day ;-)
So what do you think about exchanging emails so we can send each other good links and stories and so we can talk about issues which caught and catches our attention...I'd like that very much. :-)
VerenaReichart 2 years ago
Pentagon is profiling reporters:
The pentagon will be killing bad news reporters next. Typical AIPAC fed military brats Behavior. Any military sucking up to AIPAC lovers in the military need to die.
inachu 2 years ago
Like Dr. Michael Savage says, "Beaware of the Government Media Complex."
Gundamjock193 2 years ago
you americans are fucking retards????
You will never be as smart as the United Kingdom?????
infinityxtx1 2 years ago
usa=biggest warcriminal EVER
xjv8 2 years ago 34
yes, but dont mix the people with their corrupt government.
greetings from germany :)
alder321 2 years ago 4
truely
Leftyotism 2 years ago 2
Nice work. keep it up. mean time come for social media marketing for esteembpo**com
kwoodward80 2 years ago 2
Google Jeff Fisher Peace on Earth Forever and everyone please take it to the streets and all try to come to Philadelphia USA and fill the city up by the millions of protestors and peace lovers.
janegodlove 3 years ago
lol...I was born in England but grew up in the states damn near all my life you douche bag. What, because I'm currently in Canada that makes me a canadian? why don't you address the issues here so I can attack your intelligence.
UGOTDAJACK 3 years ago
Typical name calling liberal that's not even smart enough to know how to reply on Youtube. Attack my intelligence-You don't even know how to spell Al-Qaeda. I thought you were from Canada smart guy because you chose to display the Canadian flag on your channel. Liberals like you would rather side with evil over good or right over wrong. You're not worth debating. You make factual claims based from liberal idiotic propaganda. I couldn't care less what you think & consider you lost. Cheerio mate.
ciscokid998 3 years ago
oh no...I spelt al-qaeda wrong. Because of that, you must be right and I must be wrong! You conservatives are the dumbest people on the planet. It's people like you why we're ranked something like 37th when it comes to eductation and to be honest I think the number is probably higher than that. You repugs are so backward that you would elect a 72 year old man to run our country. Isn't it irronic that the only job in the country McCain is eligible to have by law is the president? repugs = idiots
UGOTDAJACK 3 years ago
Do you know anything about this topic? Syria has addapted this new policy that no longer allows Iraqis with no visas to enter into their country. They are being turned back at the border when they try to escape this madness. So basically they're FORCED to go back to Iraq. Syria was the only country to allow Iraqis citizens into their country without visas but they stopped that now. As far as segragation goes, how is that freedom? lol...We've turned them into america in the 40's only 10x worst.
UGOTDAJACK 3 years ago
So if you think this idiotic surge is working then think again buddy. 80% of Iraqis don't want us there and two thirds of the Iraqis parliment voted on a timetable for withdrawl yet none of this is extensivly coverd in the news. The truth is that alquida is not the reason why were staying in Iraq. They're a sunni group which will be obliterated by the Iran backed shias and even some of the other sunni groups. Were there because we know Iran will basically take over Iraq, hense no oil for us.
UGOTDAJACK 3 years ago
I just checked and you're from Canada. Good luck with your liberal multiculturalism experiment. Can't wait for that to blow up in your faces like Europe or is it called Eurabia now? Canabia can't be far off, if liberals get their way.
ciscokid998 3 years ago
Conspiracy created in a vacuum once again. They're "former" military. Who's to say they didn't always agree, disagree or do now? Sometimes they're right & wrong while still wearing the uniform. Skepticism is necessary to "any" reporting. Free speech-free press. These accusations are silly & meant to discredit "opinionated" information on its face. Obviously someone's not happy with former military members opinions now U.S. soldiers have been succeeding.
ciscokid998 3 years ago
how is this a conspiracy? this is a PROVEN FACT, WITH ACTUAL DOCUMENTS TO PROVE IT! As for your "opionated information" theory goes, When Paul Vallely talked to times magazine he stated that he felt things were going badly in Iraq when it came to american deaths and the insurgancy but when on faux noise network he tells hannity that things are looking good. WTF's up with that? If congress had any balls these people would be in jail for purposefully misleading the american people, a.k.a "treason"
UGOTDAJACK 3 years ago
I remember FMR General Barry McCaffrey was the first who was brutal in his criticism of military tactics, numbers of troops and how they were being used in Iraq. He was right & the surge has proven him right. Favorite argument by liberals is -- taken out of context. How does it feel when I can use the same argument to any of this nonsense?
ciscokid998 3 years ago
umm...your an idiot. How has the surge worked? Because american deaths are down? Because the deaths of Iraqis are down? If those are your excuses then you conservatives are fucking clueless and have no business handling the war for another four years. American deaths are down because 4 million Iraqis have been displaced and are no longer there and Iraqis deaths are down because everybody is COMPLETLY segragated. 85% of the country is now shia and 10% sunni. Iraq is now an extension of Iran.
UGOTDAJACK 3 years ago
Insane denial of facts. Refugees have been returning for over a year. Who's to say how many left or don't want to return because they're "free" to do so? Completely segregated? Again free to do so if that keeps the peace. What, you thought this would be over with a happy ending like in a 30 minute sit com? Death tolls are down because of our soldier's efforts defeating an oppressive ideology with a better ideology- freedom of choice. Umm- you're an anti America liberal.
ciscokid998 3 years ago
I don't see the point in arguing over the nature of democrats' or republicans' honesty, as the politicians of both parties are overwhelmingly worthless, with few exceptions (eg: Ron Paul).
LPBguy 3 years ago
No one is "cleared" as the prosecution(s) haven't yet begun.
again
TylerNull 3 years ago
Uh-oh, a double "moron" malediction -- how dare I observe Democrat treason!
The spy & CAIR operative so adored by Democrat congressmen, Muthanna Al-Hanooti, was just FEDERALLY INDICTED last month, 26 March 2008. (Hint to a clue: Making bail isn't the end.)
Your frenetic defense of the THREE "ANTI-WAR" DEMOCRAT CONGRESSMEN he owned, including "Baghdad Jim", is rather amusing. Democrats try to offset the transparency of their treasons with the volume of their tireless lies.
TylerNull 3 years ago
lies? where's the lie? I don't think it's the democrats since LBJ is almost as much of a bastard as GWB
danthemango 3 years ago
"...cite the source," -- alright, source: Nin1963.
Feel better, bigger, littler?
Evidently, Democrat devotionals are an endless task of fending off reality lest it seep in and ruin everything.
TylerNull 3 years ago
You now regress to complaints that my responses to your endlessly repetitious prattle are consistent. Thank's for noticing.
Observing Democrats betray America isn't "jingoist rant". Nice try (not really).
TylerNull 3 years ago
Oops, you did it again.
Earlier you quoted a DOJ investigation, yet now you claim there is none, giggler.
Google search: Nin1963 just "outed" herself again.
TylerNull 3 years ago
Of course, and yet. That's why they call it an "ingvestigation". Again, it's just begun.
Democrats have no problem dismissing their growing list of treasons; no problem supporting Islamist propaganda; yet retired US military officers allowed to speak on TV is just unacceptable.
Democrats are a long running bad joke against America.
TylerNull 3 years ago
According to your ilk, those "with power" who side WITH America in this war are criminal imbeciles. Ever more so, according to your ilk, regarding any & all matters of national defense. Yet here you point to such "war criminals" as your legal guide to defend Democrat treasons. Oops.
You see, a problem Democrats now face is they've told such a thick web of lies that one tends to "bitch slap" the other, to use compassionate-liberal lingo.
TylerNull 3 years ago
Your magic wand is broken.
The DOJ investigation has just begun. Here are the three treasonous "anti-war" congrressmen CAUGHT with your Iraqi spy & CAIR operative:
Jim McDermott (D), WA
David Bonior (D), MI
Mike Thompson (D), CA
You know CAIR, the Muslim group working with Democrat legislators to sue US citizens who report spys, and to attack US telecom companies for their "crime" of helping the FBI track Al-Quida after 9/11.
Democrats are PROUD of their treasons.
TylerNull 3 years ago
There was just a huge party during which the whitehouse press corps rubbed elbows and brownnosed with the unindicted warcriminals.
It would be so rude and spoil the festive atmosphere to start talking about such offenses. It's important that the rulingclass present to us all how to be civilized.
annarboriter 3 years ago
Please keep lying to defend Muslim spies, Muslim frauds, and Democrat politicians cuaght committing treason, whilst faking outrage because retired US Military officers are also allowed to speak. It's working wonders, I'm sure of it.
Democrat = Bunk.
TylerNull 3 years ago
anothre media WEIRD stuff:
Hillary is a defendant in a CIVIL FRAUD TRIAL going on right now in Los Angeles court. RIGHT NOW!!
go to LASUPERIORCOURT. ORG
click under Civil column: CASE SUMMARIES
enter case #: BC304174
why is not the media saying a word about this. If it was Obama ya think?...
paforbo 3 years ago
so do we all now know 911 was done by the pentagon?ofcoarse they did it
rockondon 3 years ago
I don't mind the Generals coming on to talk, but they should say something like:
Okay, in the interest of full disclosure I should reveal Halliburton has paid me $12,000.00 over the past 12 months, Blackwater has paid me $6,000.00, and the Pentagon has paid me $8,000.00.
Now, what were you asking me?
Oh, yeah...How did I think the war is going? And do I think we should stay over there longer?
DillonX 3 years ago 2
Of course, the TV networks want to ignore it because it's not only a huge scandal to the Pentagon but also a huge scandal to the media outlets. Who will watch their shows if they dig deeper? Who will trust them?
HaoSci 3 years ago 2
only in the usa...
jakob0815 3 years ago
Vote for greed and corruption! Vote for pre-emptive war! Vote for ignoring the budget deficit and continuing to implement tax cuts that primarily benefit the wealthy! Vote for lies and deception! Vote for privatizing education and health care so only the rich can afford it! Vote to destroy the middle class so we only have two classes: super rich and super poor! Vote to destroy America! Vote Republican!!!!
fooschnikens 3 years ago 3
The Wagons are circling. The bubble is bursting. lets face it folks the talking heads..the barbie, and ken dolls that started appearing on nightly news, the news department increasingly looking like showbiz tonight. There WAS a time when the anchors pedigree was that of a journalist first. knowlton nash, walter kronkite, now what do u see? Radio talk-show hosts imported to TV. slowly but surely the people are awakening..Dynamite job Veracifier..thanks for posting.
dexterriley 3 years ago 2
Look for something more fair and balanced. Vericafier, it would do you a lot of of good to get another view point.
optimistbre 3 years ago
Veracifier might take the point of view that sales representatives for military contractors posing as independent experts on news broadcasts are good for our Middle Eastern war efforts, and should be encouraged to promote Bush's policies so that military contractors make more money.
ltlillil 3 years ago
Bush or McCain or Obama or Clinton you've got a choice: 1)conflicts or 2)isolationism. Independent contracts are not plumbers they are reporters and I am personally interested in what the troops are doing that protect your freedom
optimistbre 3 years ago
they talk to each other, they all think the same they have the same contacts, obviously they are going to say the same things.
chris7777777777777 3 years ago
Short US history. Research it yourself
2000 PNAC says it needs a "new pearl harbour" to revamp US military
2001 9/11 marks "new pearl harbour of 21st century" according to GW BUSH
2001 18th Sept Osama Bin Laden "wanted dead or alive"
2001 October 5th "Taliban will hand over Bin Laden - if US provides EVIDENCE"
2002 March Bush says "truly not concerned about Bin Laden"
CPI WARCARD research shows 935 FALSE statements with regard to Iraq/WMD/9-11/Al-Qaeda
Now this fake TV propaganda! WAKE UP
DonkfestPokerDotCom 3 years ago 2
There is no reason for the propaganda machine to acknowledge itself... At least the NY Times still has the balls to run a story like this. I'm sure even they have a stop limit of what they would run.
This reminds me of Nazi war propaganda... How are you going to convince a group of people to continue a murder spree in the righteous name of das homeland!? Spread mis-information!
Instead of the Jew, it was Hussain and Bin Laden. We were sold a fake fucking war, we need to revolt!
Psilo007 3 years ago 3
The mainstream media is shit, thats why their numbers are going down, and deservedly so.
USSLIBERTY1 3 years ago
9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB! - Watch - Loose Change Final Cut, Freedom to Fascism, Esoteric Agenda
Jesse Ventura - Navy Seal Demo Expert / Governor says 9/11 inside job:
watch?v=HQdlBAp-24g
Wake up America! Both the Republicans and Democrats are implicated in this CABAL. Clinton signed the media consolidation bill/furthered NAFTA
MEDIA IS ALREADY PURELY PROPAGANDA
Reality301 3 years ago 2
how many attacks by terrorists happened against the united states from 1992 to 2000...can you name any of them???????/
nakedbullwinkle 3 years ago
"maybe not even potential"- good line.
henryvane 3 years ago
Oh my God! This is huge!
Why isn't this on the front page of every newspaper across the country?... Oh wait, that's right, never mind.
Long live the internet!
allanxxx99 3 years ago
I think by now we know who owns the media
danthemango 3 years ago
who cares
chris7777777777777 3 years ago
....anyone who likes getting objective analysis from former senior military personel?
DamNationDiplomat 3 years ago
Obviously idiots like you don't.
newsweekrocks 3 years ago
As Homer would say, D'oh!!
gobigorange99 3 years ago
That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department, and claims she witnessed evidence of the semi-official infrastructure of money-laundering and narcotics trade behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege,"
911REICHSTAG 3 years ago 3
i want to know what sibel edmonds knows.
intarwebzz 3 years ago
Of course, this is no surprise.
Hillary, McCain and Obama are puppets for the media.
Its sad that people rely on the msm so much. WHY?????? Ron Paul is the only one with substance.
jmotz3 3 years ago
u make him sound like jesus christ..
samwise862 3 years ago
What?? b/c he is the only one that talks substance?? I made one comment about Ron Paul. So anyone that talks substance is compared to jesus? I don't have any respect for jesus.
Obama, Hillary and McCain don't talk about anything. Its so vague.
jmotz3 3 years ago
Military officials spinning american wars in the media? Wow that's never happened in every single war since TV was invented or anything.
theBigTakeover 3 years ago
Trouble is the administration believes their own spin.
History will judge the Bush administration very harshly one any number of issues.
776281 3 years ago 4
pro-THINKING does not mean "pro-terrorist" you idiot. You clearly graduated from the George W Bush school of Fear Tactics.
muslcop 3 years ago 4
'Pentagon Military Analyst Program'
launched in early 2002 by then-Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs Victoria Clarke. The idea was to recruit "key influentials" to help sell a wary public on "a possible Iraq invasion." (sourcewatch)
FOLLOW THE MONEY
From the NYT article which broke the story
"Defense Dept Spokesman Brian Whitman defended..."
Who is Bryan Whitman? OH - Bryan Whitman Corp. (NYSE) PEPSIAMERICAS INC (see SEC filings)
ikekll 3 years ago 2
Let's take Col. Paul Vallely - Special ops extraordinaire-his involvement with "experimenting," is documented...tomorrow let's see if he has a paper money trail similar to Bryan Whitman. More than a few of these neocon warhawks really "dig" their jobs.
watch?v=b2ecI3ErhY8
ikekll 3 years ago
There's a truckload of these twisted bastards that should be rounded up and put through a few of their own programs, along with the college boys, receiving collegiate grants, using our tax money to bait the threads.
Bunch of fucking criminals, PERIOD!
ikekll 3 years ago
The Media, are you kidding.
Turn off the TV.
Do your homework.
Their all in bed with each other.
Are Americans this stupid???????????? YES
lorettarosa 3 years ago 4
Thanks for that generalization.
jeezychreezy1 3 years ago
What about the defense contracts these retired brass may have "scored" for the companies they were retained by as a result of shilling for the administration? This story stinks -- from the side of the media, and on the side of the "patriotic" retired brass. Is there no sense of shame alive in America anymore?
katygirl48 3 years ago
Big media sold out along time ago.
packetscan 3 years ago
I don't buy into the insinuation of conspiracy here. Of course these generals would say "War is the answer. Its a good idea," because that was the political climate at the time and they're career military (duh).
And OF COURSE they would say "I knew things were bad from the beginning," years later because hindsight is 20/20 and everyone wants to be right. It's natural human behavior, shadow government conspiracies are not necessary to explain it.
zed4785 3 years ago
Still think the media wouldn't lie about 9/11?
ufoflicks 3 years ago
Yep, I still think that the media wouldn't lie about 9/11.
zczachproductions 3 years ago
this is why i get my news from john stewart lol
sexdrugsRnR 3 years ago
Barry McAffrey?? We're gonna listen to his dumb ass for military advice? After he voluntarily took a job as head of the DEA, that corrupt overly authoritarian bastard of a gov't agency?? Hell no!
Whoo69 3 years ago
if you are not bitter in this country, you are not paying attention.
schwirzl 3 years ago 2
Tell me, anyone suspect Youtube is "foolin' 'round" with view counts on videos that might be incriminating?
I can tell ya - yep
Planting the Smoking Gun
Carlo Bonini...."they" wish he were dead.
ikekll 3 years ago
IT boils down to THE PENTAGON is A SPIN factory with a blank check-the Heritage foundation and a shitload of other neocon think tanks with highly paid staff who write the script. We help em too. They check occasionally to see what public sentiment is. They play us like a finely-tuned fiddle!
NOW go fuck yourself neocon/warmonger!
How about that for maturity?
ikekll 3 years ago 2
The true problem with the media, as well as the proof that it's bought and paid for, comes in the fact that reporters don't investigate anymore. They report both sides and then say "you decide." But that isn't the whole job-they're supposed to investigate the claims made by both sides and help us to understand the issue.
Global warming is a perfect example-the entire contrary opinion on global warming originates from a paid public relations campaign w/ no peer-reviewed validity whatsoever.
FeelFreeToArgue 3 years ago 4
it would help if you guys would include the names ...I can't keep up with who is insulting who
nanquan491---->????rat, yep
ikekll 3 years ago
ARREST DICK CHENEY
ARREST DONALD RUMSFELD
last but not least
ARREST GEORGE BOOOSCH
ikekll 3 years ago 2
"Pentagon & spin doctors:
...that letter was a fake--and a significant one because there is equally good reason to believe that it was one product among many from a new machinery of propaganda which has been created by the United States and its allies since the terrorist attacks of Sept 2001.
For the first time in human history, there is a concerted strategy to manipulate global perception. And the mass media are operating as its compliant assistants, failing both to resist it and to expose it."
ikekll 3 years ago
i think haveing a palestinian state how would we take it if prime minister of israel gave the indians their land back would we have it, no so the solution is for them to share why does no one know that or even suggest
jeanise10 3 years ago
Lest, the detractors detract from the STORY here...The Pentagon is nothing but a spin factory with a blank check.
ikekll 3 years ago
I'm reminded of Nixon's
"I'm not a CROOK"
peace out!
ikekll 3 years ago
These guys are so career oriented and on board that they are not eve aware they are sucking the teet of big money. It's all about the marvelous magical money. This is why there should be a lottery where rich people lose their money. They have to give rebate check to the poor and start all over. that sounds good to me. If they don't come clean then they can be wash boarded. It is like water boarded but with soap.
hypnofan35 3 years ago
LOL! I like it. Funny how all these neoCONS like to talk about how important this war is & what a grave danger we're in and all of these Pentagon types earning their six-figures pimping for Rumsfeld & Cheney but, when it comes to actually PAYING for this war of wars, this WWIII, this epoch battle between good & evil, 'well... shit man, I can't be asked to pay TAXES! AAAHHH! God forbid we actually PAY for this war. I mean, Lord knows OUR kids aren't going to fight it!' What total bullshit.
FattKidd 3 years ago
Sadly, Rumsfied makes his money selling medical supplies. Ever dead or wounded soldier earns him cold hard cash.
Is it any wonder he didn't approve orders for body armor, and armor upgrades for Humvees?
It is a sin, that the man profiting from the dead and dying, is allowed to veto decisions made to purchase life saving equipment.
Weaseldog2001 3 years ago 2
Weaseldog2001, you got that right. BIG pharma loves Rummy...paper trail to prove it too
ikekll 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
The Pentagon knows that the media is loaded with anti-war liberals that would love to undermine the Iraq war. They did the same thing during the Vietnam war; Liberals are the enemy within. They hate the police, the military and capitalism. This is not about Bush, this is about their hate for capitalism and their goal is to destroy the USA from within.
sallee5 3 years ago
I think you're right. Republicans understand that properly functioning capitalistic state would be ruled by the military. The Military would decide on all capitalistic endeavors and the the police state would make sure that the people do as they are told.
Liberals would hate living under such a system, but it doesn't matter. The conservatives are building their reality now.
One aspect of the plan, is to use war to drive fuel and food prices high, to break the economy through shock and awe.
Weaseldog2001 3 years ago 2
liberals are what gave us the vietnam war idiot, JFK, and LBJ.. your whole worldview is out of wack
historywillabsolve 3 years ago
Actually it was Truman, another Democrat.
The basis of the US involvement was military driven capitalism.
The oil industry though there might be oil in the Gulf Tonkin. So a false flag incident was manufactured to provide cover for exploratory drilling. No oil was found, but the war provided a great revenue stream for the military industrial complex.
One reason put forth for JFK's assassination was that he might end the war. LBJ like the war just fine.
There are evil men in both parties.
Weaseldog2001 3 years ago
Thats nonsense...the Vietnam war was put into motion by Eisenhower's cancellation of elections in Vietnam, specified by the peace treaty with the French, in 1956...after that it was simply a case of throwing bodies (by both Democratic and Republican administrations) on in an attempt to prop up a puppet state that had no legitimacy
antipyrene 3 years ago
Recent history since I was out of diapers would seem to disagree with you. Nicaragua, El Salvador, Iraq v1, Iraq v2, Granada,,...., versus Kosovo? How far back do we go? It seems your founder Abe gave us a war that killed more Americans than any "liberal" war. Give me a World view lesson.
snarkwaupaca 3 years ago
Sorry, the neoCONS are beating them to it! Losing wars, creating more terrorists, letting Bin Laden go free, bankrupting the American people, refusing to do anything about our 'addiction to oil' (Bush's words), refusing to heed warnings of an impending attack on the US, FTAA, giving China preferred trade status, Columbian Free Trade, etc etc... Looks like the CONS are doing quite a good job of destroying this country without any help from those on the left.
FattKidd 3 years ago
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are working hard to fulfill the Republican Dream.
By now it should be clear to everyone that the Democratic and and Republican leadership are working together to destroy the Republic.
Weaseldog2001 3 years ago
Amen to that.
FattKidd 3 years ago
sallee 'The Pentagon knows that the media is loaded with anti-war liberals that would love to undermine the Iraq war' Thots on Judith Miller and Michael Gordon from the NYT - the paper that sets the agenda for the other media outlets? It surprising they had time to write articles while waving their war pom poms. The "liberal" media is a myth, as this video shows
jcanavan 3 years ago
If neocons don't have an enemy, they'll invent one.
Hate and fear are the basis for all of their politics.
Weaseldog2001 3 years ago
Explain with facts how liberals hate those things? Because we don't blindly follow them? What is American about blindly following anything? Face it you don't know what your talking about.
snarkwaupaca 3 years ago
I miss our free media ... corporate controlled television news media have resulted in a dramatic reduction in follow-up in-depth reporting, lax reporting on corporate and political crime and scandal, and lack of coverage of important news which is the backbone of real journalism ... and a simultaneous stark rise in puff pieces which have no direct impact on the general populace -- celebrities, local crime, fake outrage issues, and news as entertainment rather than as useful information ...
AvangionQ 3 years ago
The FOUNDING FATHERS never imagined that the media would be owned by only 3 people
sugarpuddin88 3 years ago 4
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The Pentagon knows that the media is loaded with anti-war liberals that would love to undermine the Iraq war. They did the same thing during the Vietnam war; Liberals are the enemy within. They hate the police, the military and capitalism. This is not about Bush, this is about their hate for capitalism and their goal is to destroy the USA from within.
sallee5 3 years ago
You're a brainwashed simpleton, no wonder the government can go to war on false pretenses when you'll eat up all the propaganda they churn out.
ruddypoo86 3 years ago 2
WWIII started on 9/11 genius and we are going to war with Russia and China very soon over oil. You will wake up when the nukes go off jackass. You really think we are just fighting a bare foot muslim in a cave? LMAO
sallee5 3 years ago
non-sequitor
You need to reflect on your modes of thought sir. You seem to be stuck in a pathological strand of bullshit mongering, where your own thoughts spin fast enough that they never touch the ground and therefore never supplant themselves long enough to stand on any valid principles.
Deweydecible 3 years ago
Liberalism is a mental disorder, get yourself checked for that and AIDS
sallee5 3 years ago
Ann? is that you?
Jonah?
Deweydecible 3 years ago
Gee. So, you think we can fight and win WWIII AND pay nothing is taxes!? Your boy Bush must be a fucking wizard or something to pull that off!
You are too old to be this dumb. Russia is flush with oil. And, Bush's policies in the mid-east have made them RICH RICH RICH to the point where they're now a world player AGAIN! And, he gave China preferred trading partner status! But, you'll whine about 'liberals' not getting 'it'. Wake up already. Your partisanship has blinded you.
FattKidd 3 years ago
Glad you wrote it twice. I get it now so much better than if I had only seen it once. True... what is the word I am looking for?... "Genius".
snarkwaupaca 3 years ago
He's a tool, posting out of a cubicle in Tel Aviv for a few bucks and hour.
After Israeli got their butts kicked in Lebanon, they've ratcheting up the propaganda.
They want World War III to be fought in their backyard.
Weaseldog2001 3 years ago
Can't rebuild the Temple until the Palestinians are eliminated.
FattKidd 3 years ago
you're an idiot.
Why would I, a liberal, or my "liberal" friends want to undermine the country.
You have been eating Limbaugh's, O'reilly's, and Hannity's shit for so long it's now filling your brown eyes, blinding you.
I love my country and we need a new direction that understands Iraq cannot be militarily forced into Democracy, an economic policy of shared prosperity with the middle class will save us now and keep us from further recession, and universal health care works.
Deweydecible 3 years ago 2
WWIII started on 9/11 genius and we are going to war with Russia and China very soon over oil. You will wake up when the nukes go off jackass. You really think we are just fighting a bare foot muslim in a cave? LMAO
sallee5 3 years ago
The sad part is that in their lust for war, the Israelis are polluting their own land with depleted uranium. Poisoning their descendants for the next few billion years.
As this war ramps up, China and Russia will be supplying Hamas with depleted uranium shells to match those that the Israelis use. They'll rain back down into Israeli farms and water cachements.
Everyone will lose to satisfy the Israeli lust for war.
Weaseldog2001 3 years ago
Israeli lust for war? Are you for real? This channel really is a haven for the deranged. It's all the arabs who want nothing but war and are using the palestinians as tools to attack israel politically and terrorize it's citizens (since they can't do it militarily). I guess you're also one of the people who want to see Israel destroyed, but of course you don't want people to see you for the piece of shit that you are, so you're inventing some clever excuses to spew out your hate speech. Idiot.
nanquan491 3 years ago
So when is Israel going to quit being a Welfare Queen, earn their own way and fight their own battles? How long will Israel collect free money from the USA and do nothing but get fat?
You ran away from Hamas in Lebanon for Chrissakes.
You ridicule Americans, yet our soldiers are dying for your hubris in Iraq. A battle you're people don't have the spine to show up for.
When is Israel going to send troops to help fight her battles?
Weaseldog2001 3 years ago 2
wow.. what the fuck are you on about, loon boy?
We ran away from hamas in lebannon? That was hizbollah you idiot. And we didn't run away, that weasel Olmert did.
Also, where did you get the notion that Iraq was Israel's war!? It it were, I can assure you we would be fighting it, and winning.
And lastly I have nothing but deep seated respect for americans. I just feel sorry for america for having crazies like you hating and trying to undermine their own country from within.
nanquan491 3 years ago
You're right, anti-Arab Anti-Semite, Israeli Hate, and war loving boy.
I mis-wrote about Hamas. You got me.
If you're right, and only sane people lust for war, and to slaughter other human beings, then call me crazy.
You don't have to worry, your war is coming. You'll be in after the US bombs Iran. You'll be in the dust with a gun, able to satisfy your lust for killing. you'll be able to breath the DU and enjoy the stench of war. Good luck. It may not be as fun as you think.
Weaseldog2001 3 years ago
Israel is a peaceful nation, amongst a sea of arab racism, radicalism, and hate. Arab nations are the only ones that broadcast anti-semetic racist shows and propaganda on national TV channels, quite similar to the same propaganda used by the Nazis to dehumanize jews and increase hate and animosity towards them. The only thing stopping israel from being destroyed is it's military power.
nanquan491 3 years ago
So don't even try your silly little games of pretending to be "anti-war" or "peace loving" to disguise your vile racism and hate. I hope you're not late for your next KKK meeting you piece of shit.
nanquan491 3 years ago
Funny you should mention the KKK. They have a big presence down where Bush II lives.
I attended church as a kid in the country with a KKK presence. I knew adults that were members.
It was from them, that I learned the hallmarks of racism, of the same hate speech, the feigned victimization that you exhibit.
The KKK see themselves as victims too. Surrounded by a sea of hateful prejudiced black people.
You're simply the Israeli version of the same.
Weaseldog2001 3 years ago
lol.. I don't think even you buy the bullshit you just wrote there. You loosely stringed together comparison of Israel to the KKK is a hallmark to your desperation.
Feigned victimization? I just told you that arabs sponsor anti-semetic TV shows on government televisions channels... you're trying to argue that that's not true? Did the "hateful prejudiced black people" do that against white people as well? lol you really are laughable.
At least try better to disguise your racism & hate.
nanquan491 3 years ago
Don't forget that Israel has more than fifty years of experience in groveling in the dirt, panhandling for money.
It's been explained to me a number of times that if the US didn't give you billions of dollars a month, you couldn't survive. you're a nation of professional beggars.
As I see it, the hate goes both ways. We see films of Israelis shooting children in the back for sport. We see Palestinians throwing rocks. Why do I have to pay for this crap?
See - "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"
Weaseldog2001 3 years ago
Are you sure you're not a Hamas spokesman? lol... Israelis shooting children in the backs for sport... sure! This is the same type of arab propaganda meant to demonize Israel to morally "justify" the extermination of all the jews.
Nice try asshole.
nanquan491 3 years ago
someone much smarter than me once said, the only way to end war for good is to take the profit out of it...
jcanavan 3 years ago 4
It's really Ironic that this channel, which is essentially a left-wing propaganda channel, is "outraged" at this so called scandal. Then again the hypocrisy of these left wing loons is nothing new.
nanquan491 3 years ago
So you have no problem with the American government blatantly lying in order to get people killed?
If your attitude dominates, then American democracy is doomed
antipyrene 3 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
"lying in order to get people killed"... you're leaping to conclusions without any facts. That's all you people ever seem to do.
And my point was the hypocrisy of all you liberal loons, and the people behind this channel. You are not serious people. Most of you are really child like in your overly simplistic thinking and your overall mentality and level of maturity.
nanquan491 3 years ago
You're right. They don't care about the people. They don't lie to get people killed.
They lie for the money. Getting people killed is just a way to get the big bucks.
It takes a war to create the justification to ship trillions of dollars out of a country. there is no other endeavor that the people would stand to spend themselves into slavery and sacrifice for.
The Republicans want the gas prices to keep going higher and the war will keep driving it up.
It's all about the money.
Weaseldog2001 3 years ago
lol that's a very "interesting" way to see the world. If you hadn't taken all those drugs when you were younger, perhaps your brain would function better now and you wouldn't be such a polarized liberal clown in your thinking.
This really is hilarious.. one loon after another responding to me, only proving their own mental retardation with their ridiculous detached from reality points of view, and their stupid comments.
nanquan491 3 years ago
Don't see you making any logical arguements, only polarized neoCON accusations & derogatory name calling.
FattKidd 3 years ago
I see.. please point out the comments of the people who replied to me, and show me the logic behind them, or the lack of polarized thinking?
Your comment defines Irony. You have the most far left wing loony toons on here with the most extreme polarized views making comments, and yet you choose to say that about me. It just shows how out of touch with reality you actually are. And why have you assumed I was a polarized neocon without any evidence to support that at all?
nanquan491 3 years ago
Just shows how you ppl really think and make your crazy conclusions based on hearsay and propoganda.
nanquan491 3 years ago
Propaganda... hmmm, from your comments here, I think it's safe to conclude that you don't even know what 'propaganda' is.
FattKidd 3 years ago
You started out on this thread with the statement; 'It's really Ironic that this channel, which is essentially a left-wing propaganda channel, is "outraged" at this so called scandal. Then again the hypocrisy of these left wing loons is nothing new.'
and, you're asking us to point out the logic in the responses you got!? LOL! You really ARE a fool!
FattKidd 3 years ago
No, I was just referring to how funny it was that you could actually write a comment accusing me of polarized thinking and lack of logical arguments among a myriad of comments that were made by far left wing loons with the most extreme examples of what you were accusing me of.
The answer is of course obvious. You're one of them lol
nanquan491 3 years ago
No hypocrisy. This channel makes no attempt to brand itself 'Fair and Balanced'. It's a YouTube channel. If you can't tell the difference, you're a fool.
FattKidd 3 years ago
Nanquan thank you proving my point...you're not interested in a debate, you just want to throw insults...you don't want democracy, you want a one party state where dissent is an "enemy within"
BTW the lies to get us into and perpetuate this war is obvious to anyone who's head isn't firmly implanted in the military industrial complex's ass
antipyrene 3 years ago
A debate requires two intelligent parties who can objectively look at a situation, weight in the FACTS, and not make irrational and emotional *conclusions* on a whim left right and center. If I saw any potential for an actual debate on this channel that would be great. But you can't really have a debate with people who are polarized in their thinking and lack the intellectual capacity to think rationally.
nanquan491 3 years ago
Nanquan you have yet offer any facts, other than obviously the Veracifier is left of center...instead you offer only insults appropriate to a 3rd grade playground
FACT the administration and Pentagon REPEATLY LIED and CONTINUE to LIE about Iraq being a part of "the War on Terror"...Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan and is now in Pakistan, not in Iraq...we are fighting mostly Sunni Arab Nationalists and Shiite religious fundamentalists there, not Islamicists like Al Qaeda
antipyrene 3 years ago 2
fact (n)
1: a piece of information about circumstances that exist or events that have occurred; "first you must collect all the facts of the case"
2: a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened; "he supported his argument with an impressive array of facts"
3: an event known to have happened or something known to have existed; "your fears have no basis in fact"; "how much of the story is fact and how much fiction is hard to tell"
nanquan491 3 years ago
Nice to see you've mastered copy and paste Nanquan
You still haven't actually offered any facts yet though just insults
The Veracifier DID offer facts with evidence...the Pentagon is engaged in a propaganda campaign and the Media is falling for it
antipyrene 3 years ago
"Most of you are really child like in your overly simplistic thinking and your overall mentality and level of maturity."
Said the guy who uses "loon" to describe people who disagree with him.
snarkwaupaca 3 years ago
snarkwaupaca
so does that "you are with us or against us?"
ikekll 3 years ago
Yeah, it's just shorter to call someone a "loon" rather than write "Most of you are really child like in your overly simplistic thinking and your overall mentality and level of maturity." every single time.
nanquan491 3 years ago
propaganda implies that its not true, and thats not a case you can make, at least when it comes to the war. even if it is propaganda, lies and deception are admirable traits to israelis. so I guess that's a complement
libertyerian 3 years ago
"even if it is propaganda, lies and deception are admirable traits to israelis"...
Yet another loon who seems to have leaped to conclusions without knowing what he's talking about. This channel is full of people like this, it's really quite sad.
nanquan491 3 years ago
Nanquan491. I would tend to agree with you on your criticism on this comment but the hard question is how you judge ALL critiques of Israel. It seems to many in the US that there are two types of comments about Israel and nothing in between.
1. Pro-Israel comments.
2. Antisemetic Anti-American hate filled diatribes bordering on terrorism.
I consider himself a moderate on the issue. I wonder what the long term impact is of marginalizing others on this issue. You might want to?
snarkwaupaca 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
This channel is crawling with people who hate the USA, Israel and anything not pro-Hamas or pro-Al Qaeda
RoachAsylum 3 years ago
roach, wow right on queue. I would like to hear your thots on how criticizing US foreign policy is hating the USA or pro Al queda. Also, your thots on free speech would be interesting as it seems u arent a big fan.
jcanavan 3 years ago
No, people are criticizing countries, not policies. Israel and the USA could have perfectly bening or accepted policies and these twerps (incl you) would still hate on those countries
RoachAsylum 3 years ago
roach, nice job, that reply had it all. Incoherent, senseless, ad hom attacks and typos. Surprisingly, you avoided the question. 'people are criticizing countries' sounds juvenile but maybe you need to elaborate?
jcanavan 3 years ago
Congratulations you went 36 minutes without getting thumbed down into oblivion because you are an idiot. That is a new record for you.
crazycatfguy 3 years ago
well, youre pro-terrorist so shouldnt you be rooting for al-Qaeda?
driftersmanifesto 3 years ago
al-Qaeda is rooting for the Bush administration. They cant buy advertising like that.
Dresden718 3 years ago 2
I'm failing to see the hypocrisy you speak of.
Our government lying to us to go to war, a false war which destroys our standing in the world, destroys millions of lives, destroys our economy at large, and diverts all of our attention from the real terrorists we should be hunting down and breaking up is bad no matter who does it.
It was bad when Democrats started it Vietnam, it's more egregious now and much more profitable for those who proliferate its goals, it's ever changing goals.
Deweydecible 3 years ago 2
You fail to see the hypocrisy I speak of? Just look at the title of this video: "Media Fails To Ask Hard Questions". And where exactly was this channel when when all the left wing media was propping up Obama despite all his crazy policies, and all the skeletons in his closet? Why didn't we see a video up titles "Media fails to ask Obama the hard questions" ? It's really just stating the obvious, but this channel is run by far left wing liberals who only put on vids tht support their ideology.
nanquan491 3 y