Nishio Aikido: shihonage

[miloedo]

don´t like it, he can still be hit by uke. Plus, as he folds uke´s elbow would be practically impossible to perform a shihonage. Well, if you practice dancing aikido you´ll do it, but if you need to defend yourself you´ll get you ass kicked with nishio style. I rather Aikikai or Iwama. Peace. !!

[mossub1elect1]

perfect

[rynusrein]

Nice demonstration. One remark though regarding 'they can't kick because I've got my hand in between': don't try it. You'll break your fingers and/or wrist trying to block a kick that way. Although we (Shotokan karate) do practice blocking/sweeping kicks, the safest way is to dodge or go in.

[DeRandomSpamm]

This guy's a frikkin beast!

[rickashaybingbing]

He is one of the best !

[horias86]

until 2:26...the guy grows a mustache

[TKOfightsMJH]

Do you come to Atlanta,Ga????

[davider90]

I really like the flowing movements of his aikido!

BTW: Where I come from we simply call this "Nishio-style"

[raifsevrence]

This is a much better way of doing this technique. We were practicing our version of Shihonage just yesterday in class.

I don't like the way we do this technique. Of course I am 6' 2" so it's difficult for me to execute this correctly anyways.

[iBlobs23]

@raifsevrence if you are taller you could bend your knees or drop your knee to execute the throw...

[raifsevrence]

@iBlobs23 That is true, but my comment was directed more towards the fact that this is , in my opinion, a relatively useless technique when attempted in the style my sensei teaches it.

I have stopped practicing Aikido anyways. The only dojo in my area does not teach a style that I like. Some of the techniques are quite good, while others are not at all to my liking.

I intend to switch to Hap Ki Do soon. There is a very high quality school in my town. The Soke is an 8th Dan .

[iBlobs23]

@raifsevrence ohh i see.. Hapkido if from Aikido too and they combine taekwondo on it so you could hit then grapple if the opponent go towards you.. I'm not a fan of striking martial arts I just like grappling

[raifsevrence]

@iBlobs23 That is understandable. I would love to continue training in Aikido, but unfortunately, the quality of instruction that I deem acceptable just isn't available in my area.

The style that is available in this area focuses on beginning all techniques with deflections, and on keeping to your center line rather then moving off line and giving up your position. I do not feel it is practical . A determined attack comes in too fast for deflections to do much more then prevent injury.

[raifsevrence]

This style originated from Segal Sensei's dojo. One of his top students, Larry Reynosa Sensei, had a hand in beginning this style of Aikido. My sensei's sensei trained under him.

An odd lineage to be sure, yet some of their techniques, specifically things like irimi nage, are much more effective imo then the traditional forms.

That being said, I do not feel that keeping to your own line and refusing to move off of your center , is an effective philosophy for Aikido .

[Kenshincz]

@raifsevrence You must be joking. Nishio's style of aikido in no way originates from Steven Segal. Nishio sensei was direct student of Osensei and developed this style of aikido combining aikido and philosophy of Osensei with his extensive knowledge in karate, judo, iaido and jodo practise. His students who continue to develop his unique aikido are f.e. Ichiro Shishyi, Koji Yoshida or Takao Arisue. Not Steven Segal.

[raifsevrence]

@Kenshincz You missed most of that conversation I think. I was referring to the style I was studying at the time. My statement had nothing whatsoever to do with the people in this video.

I have long since moved on from the study of Aikido. The only teacher in my area who has useful knowledge of martial science is a 9th Dan Hap Ki Do instructor , who due to injuries and age, is not really fit to teach his own style . An instructor that cannot perfomr his own techniques is not a good one.

[Kenshincz]

@raifsevrence Ah my apology than sir.

[iBlobs23]

@raifsevrence where do you live though? And what type of aikido were you practicing? 'cause I practiced traditional aikido and our Doshu is Moriteru Ueshiba grandson of Osensei..

[raifsevrence]

@iBlobs23 That is an impressive lineage . You are lucky to have had access to such a good teacher. I live in Southwest Missouri .

As for the name of the style, I do not actually know that offhand. I would have to ask my sensei.

He has more then once mentioned it, but I am bad with names.

The dojo I intend to try next, when I find the time, is called Kami No Kanazuchi Kai Ryu . The founder,in association with one of his friends, developed his own form of Aiki Ju jitsu .

[iBlobs23]

@raifsevrence Oh aiki jujitsu is kinda same to aikido.. I respect all martial arts I'm not criticizing any of 'em there's a saying one of aikido sensei (forgot the name) "Though there are many paths at the foot of the mountain all those who reach the top see the same moon" But if you still interested in aikido try the dojo in New york the sensei is Yamada sensei he was the last live-in student of Osensei. I know its far lol

[rvking2005]

I would like to say thank you for putting this video on here and the others. Theirs not to many masters out their that go in such detail, this I think is a great tragedy. Thank you for posting this it was truly an honor to watch you perform. I would love to take Aikido from you sir.

[jjhaywood]

i see so much bad and dreamy looking Aikido, but this guy is a little more realistic. i wonder though, in a real situation, if someone would be calm enough to execute such complicated movements.

[lucianoestivill]

Perfect "Shihonage" technique by Great Master Nishio; He had his own style, combining some Karate-Do and Judo tricks, in a perfect hard style, ultra-effective, fast, and still without too much violence, dominating his enemy trying to make him no harm. Thanks Great Master!!!! Your legacy will be apreciated by all aikidokas....

[ParkFight]

I agree everyone can do what he likes and most of who practice aikido isn't interested in real fighting, however in my opinion these techniques work only with a cooperative partner...

[ketsan]

@ParkFight Actually uke in Aikido resists far more than most people give them credit for. I use what's labled "co-operation" in my Aikido class to stop myself getting thrown in my Judo class where they're quite adament that I'm resisting.

[ParkFight]

@ketsan yes, but I don't intend resistance "after" when uke jumps to avoid to broke his wrist, I mean the resistance "before": could you honestly tell such a technique works against a resistant opponent, who kicks, punches, grabs you and so on...?

[ketsan]

@ParkFight You just grab hold of them and flatten them; you don't even need technique; there are no techniques in Aikido anyway. Striking is largely just an annoyance. Hitting someone that spends a good deal of their life getting slammed into the floor just isn't all that effective and no Aikidoka is going to stay in striking range all that long. If you don't KO them in the first couple of seconds the Aikidoka will win.

[ParkFight]

@ketsan ...and that's exactly my doubt about aikido, the the ease with which you believe you can "joust grab hold of them and flatten them" or that you "spend a good deal of your life getting slammed into the floor" when in reality you have any experience of what this means... This only to talk and with the base we all practice to amuse, and that's what really matters!

[leahcimevlak]

why is the other guy grabing with his palm pointing up, is ther somthing im missing. have just started Aikido I am still casual clothing so yea i am a noobe.

i dont meen to be rude that the last thing i want to do.

might it be it a Judo thing? please forgive anybad grammer or spelling errors thank you

[rvking2005]

@leahcimevlak because its human intension when u go to grab me and i move you move to adjust to attack correct. see real martial arts is all about a few diffrent things one is intent. Intent on hurting me gets you hurt. and also natural body mechanics the techniques are durrived from natural responses. ie.. i move you move, you adjust your attack to my movement. thus creating an opening for me to resist.

[miloedo]

Don't like his style, he can be hit anyway and the movement is to long, I must say, more dangerous, what we are doing is getting out and then get it avoiding the free hand..

[chestertjeuh]

haha, i have do to the same thing in the aikido :)

i'm doing aikido to :p

[slackdave]

wow, makes me want to learn Aikido!!

[FinalKenny2]

Well, it's a "difficult" 'do' to go down. ;)

Some may get frustrated with the length you may have to study until you see martial results.

You have to learn taking pleasure in smaller results like "Ah yes, my fall got better." or "FINALLY my footwork in that technique is working!"

The most important thing is that you can take pleasure in overcoming the little hardships.

Also mentally.

And some day you become sho-dan... And THAT is where the actual Aiki-DO begins.

[slackdave]

@FinalKenny2

I used to train Judo, and the class after was Aikido. I thought it looked nice, but was such slow, overly disciplined classes I couldn't imagine myself doing it- Ever!! I guess it's something I wish I just knew, rather than go through the years learning it....

[FinalKenny2]

In Germany we have a saying.

"The journey/path is the reward/goal."

Just do what feels right. If Judo is your 'only' budo, that's perfectly fine. ;D

[headphonic8]

@FinalKenny2 I AM SHODAN. LOOK AT YOU, HACKER.

[AThagoras]

@FinalKenny2 Very nice comment! You have a very healthy approach to training. You understand what is important in Aikido and in martial arts in general.

[shonyasingh]

@FinalKenny2 It's good to hear that, I made a mistake during my Aikido grading and felt SO silly. It really helps to recognise and appreciate the small things, and it adds to the enjoyment of it all.

[ChuckerThe1]

@FinalKenny2

Perfectly stated FK2!

[aikicop1]

Jadelux: The primary purpose of katatedori is to immobilize the hand of nage, and prevent nage from drawing a weapon, or to defend against nage striking uke with the hand that is grabbed. The second part of the attack, and the part that is missing from most dojos, is the atemi from uke with the second hand. So, it is you who are "wrong."

[ketsan]

Actually the part missing from most dojo is the atemi to disrupt the attack in the first place. If I'm attacked gyakyu hamni I force uke to walk onto my atemi, my defence starts before uke can even complete his attack. Then in that moment where uke is dealing with the atemi, I perform the technique. Letting uke walk up to you and grab your hand with an opportunity to hit you get's you failed on 5th kyu where I train.

[aikicop1]

Must be missing where you train. That point is quite present here, in the U.S., at A.S.U. dojos, and at the world headquarters. Also, your point validates Nishio Sensei's demonstration.

[ketsan]

Not if Nishio is/was worried about someone grabbing your wrist and punching you. When he says "At this stage my opponent can attack" my first thought is "Why is your head still there? Why have you not made atemi?" You can do the technique the way he is demonstrated as being incorrect if you simply do it correctly. What Nishio should have said is "This technique isn't usually don't correctly" not "Here's my way that's better than 99% of the rest of the Aikido world."

[aikicop1]

Your comments show me that you have not studied Nishio Aikido at all. Had you actually studied it, you would know that he has addressed the matter of atemi, and the head initially. In his way, he stepped offline. The deomonstrated "wrong way", he did not. Look more closely. His translator also made no claim to having a way that is better than 99% of the rest of the world. You are taking his teachings out of context, and are putting words into the mouth of a dead man.

[OneAngryAsian]

To jadelux: why do you think uke would ever grab your hand in the first place? So that he can keep it out of the way so he can move in and hit you! No one ever got hurt simply because they got their hand grabbed; the danger is from the grab facilitating another attack. Nishio sensei is cognizant of the danger of the attacker, and not focusing only on the attack.

[ketsan]

Yeah but he invented a complicated way of solving a simple problem. If uke attacks gyaku hamni, you use atemi to put them off before they can throw the punch or you tenkan for ura. So at the moment of contact either your fist should be in ukes face or you should have moved out of the way. For Ai hamni you go across uke rather than into them as demonstrated here and rip them off balance before they can get set for a strike.

[aikicop1]

You really might want to try Nishio Aikido before making such statements about it. I have studied Nishio Aikido, under Robert Bryer Sensei. His explanation of the movement, that which you speak about in terms of omote or ura, is incorrect, for two very important reasons. You'll have to find out for yourself why. The system is actually quite simple, and his arguments sound, valid and cogent.

[aikicop1]

That would be, Bryner Sensei. My bad.

[alagohell1]

Excelent. Clear explanation.

[jadelux]

He's wrong. If Uke would stand behind his hand completly, he would not have any chance to punch with his second hand. If he can punch with second hand it means, he doesn't hold good contact in gyaku hanmi. This means that attack in gyaku hanmi was only a trick to afford a punch with second hand.

[geting89]

Well it takes allot off time to get learn the basics. It took me about a year to understand nikyu and i still have allot to learn. It might seem difficult right now but try to remember when you was a kid and learned how to swim. Was it easy? Well i guess not but when you learn enough you will find how your body will move without you thinking (and that is a awesome feeling).

I would say: Try the dojo where you are moving to and continue if you like that particular dojo.

[kulni]

search "comkaijudo"

for more aikido vid.

[danfusavig]

grande maestro!!

[Aur0rah]

lol you cant sugest to your sensei lol i dont think he will like your advice :P

[Kenshincz]

most innovative aikido sensei for me. No doubt his aikido is useful even in real situation

[HaNdsoFBLoodCss]

good

[vietkid15]

COOL SENSEI!! Ryote Dori Shionage! Very nice!

[BillyHandsome]

This is a very good sensei...you can tell he has beeni a very long way with his aikido teaching...i would very much like to be part of his teaching

[mcgocken]

Good point and good advice. But the way he described the 'wrong' entering of shihonage is ofcourse the 'practice the technique' way. In later stages, you will learn to destabilize and/or distract (atemi) your oponent.

[N1RealMadridFan]

i'll quick all their asses

[ORTprod]

yeah, you definitely will.

[kensei1984]

His basics and logic are something that is lost in most schools.

[malcamsba]

Great sensei!

[Michellezanette]

I am really impressed! I can't believe that my own Aikido sensei actually was taught by Nishio-sensei!

[sunreaper2]

wooooow lucky you :(

[kensei1984]

Nishio is one of the coolest Aikido masters ever. When he takes his uke down it is gentle more times than not, but his pick ups are sooooo good that you cannot doubt the martial effectiveness of him

[EvilWilderness]

Beautiful techinique that goes with the flow and seize the moment of attack.

[TYRANTKILLEDME]

I'm gonna take that advice and practice it that way thanks for the post

[leguancz]

Very impressive, what can be better than spending a time with this teacher.

[BLUEMIU]

Wow. That's fantastic! Thank you for posting.

[gekiryudojo]

I was very impressed with this (that's not normal for me these days!) very good

[budodude]

I am glad to see someone established in Aikido, willing to point out the problems in Aikido for use for self defense. Most everyone else's ego are too large.