The Purifying Power of Gethsemane - Part 2

[feckintoad]

nailing was not thru both hands and wrists..a waste of nails which would be valuable and not wasted..it could of been either because the body was supported by an animal horn or wooden stake inserted into the anus to prolong the time alive on display. some lasted a week. death would be from exhaustion, blood loss, sepsis,dehydration.

[ednoisin]

I hope you've realized by now that this european hippie-looking jesus is indeed the image of the beast; a westernized farce paving the way of the anti-Hebrew Messiah. Our savior is called Imanuel Ha Mashiach who will come again as YAHOSHUA for the salvation of the Lost Sheeps of Yisrael These are the lost sheeps stripped from their identity during the transatlantic slave trade according to Deut 28:33, 37,48-50, 68. Blessings, Peace & Shalom,

[RealFlaw]

Very Powerful. I can't deny the power of God.  He lives!!!

[Enca73]

This would be very impressive if it were true. The garden was where Jesus prayed for the cup to be removed from him, and struggled against the temptation to do his own will and not the Father's. On the cross he took upon himself the sins of all and suffered the penalties - he was shamed and despised by men, and separated from the Father. True Christians do not honor Christ's night of temptation and prayer in the garden as atoning, but his death upon the cross.

[kinkajuu1]

@Enca73 If you believe this mate then why did he sweat great drops of blood in the Garden? I believe that the suffering or atonement started in the garden. He prayed three times. He was tempted throughout his life and yet "heeded it not". Sweating drops of blood would kill people for even one and yet the Bible states that he swat many. For him to take upon himself the punishment of the repentant sinners, would require great suffering and pain. It was freely offered from the Garden to the Cross.

[Enca73]

@kinkajuu1 If the garden is where Jesus atoned (even partially) for humanity's sins, then why does no one in the NT (Paul, Peter, John, etc.) refer to it, yet every time you turn around you see them praising his sacrifice on the cross? Why does the OT prophesy about him being "pierced for our transgressions" as on the cross yet remain silent about him sweating? I'm not saying Jesus didn't sweat... just that doing so was not an act of atonement but rather extreme trepidation and anxiety.

[kinkajuu1]

@Enca73 the process of him taking on the sins of the world is the atonement, not the sweating blood. The atonement was the reconciliation between god and man from the fall. and th NT is a record of jesus's life, and the ot uses symbolism to explain gods pain, "Pierced for our transgressions" but dont take my word for it find out more for yourself if you have questions about the things you said

[kinkajuu1]

If you believe this mate then why did he sweat great drops of blood in the Garden? I believe that the suffering or atonement started in the garden. He prayed three times. He was tempted throughout his life and yet "heeded it not". Sweating drops of blood would kill people for even one and yet the Bible states that he swat many. For him to take upon himself the punishment of the repentant sinners, would require great suffering and pain. It was freely offered from the Garden to the Cross.

[jrcross49]

@Enca73 If you have a King James version of the Bible. I'd like you to turn to Luke 22:44, from that scripture is where we have our belief that Christ not only suffered on the cross, but also in the Garden of Gethsemane.

[Enca73]

@jrcross49

"And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground."

In a nutshell, this tells us that he was stressed to the max; his spiritual turmoil was manifested physically. This does not mean that he atoned for humanity through his anxiety. Have you ever been in anguish trying to make or face a terrifyingly difficult decision or circumstance? Jesus was human and he did just that. His sacrifice was on the cross.

[batterdown]

@Enca73 Christ's sacrifice was much more than the Cross. Biblically, it started with the Garden of Eden; was illustrated within the law of Moses; proclaimed by the prophets; announced to Mary, the sheperds & apostles; & forged in his life. The avenue to oneness with God was paved in the Garden of Gethsemane. The Perfect, Fulfilling, Sacrificial Lamb hung & died upon the cross. He was revealed to the dead, and became the first fruits of the resurrection. He lives, and will return, King & Lord.

[RPM11111]

Another Gospel.

[edarotag84]

For the life of me, I don't know why some religions think we don't believe in The Lord Jesus Christ ..

Tex

[novarone72]

@omiolo what's with Torah Bright?

[omiolo]

The 23-year-old has been dubbed the "queen of the extreme" because of her radical manoeuvres in the half-pipe. Last year, she finished first in the Superpipe events at the Winter X Games and the Winter Dew Tour.

[omiolo]

''I have really been pushing the limits of my riding, and that's all part of it,'' Bright said shortly after being discharged from Aspen Valley Hospital. ''It's not the first or the last time I will have a fall. I am fine. I feel good and I just decided to sit out the X Games in the best interest of focusing on the main event in Vancouver.''

[omiolo]

Bright's resilience extends beyond morality. Last week, while training for the Winter X Games in Aspen, Colorado, she suffered a heavy fall that left her with a second concussion in a month. The fall came after she attempted a switchback 720, but Bright was quick to reaffirm her intention to compete in Vancouver.

[omiolo]

Bright added that only once in her life has she consumed a pharmaceutical product - a painkilling tablet after she had a tendon in her finger reattached. ''I only took half of it, and I just sat on the couch all day, conked out,'' she said. ''So I don't react well to that kind of stuff.''

[omiolo]

Everybody would be like, 'We'll break you one day, Torah. We'll get you,'" Bright told Sport&Style magazine. "I'd never really wanted to [drink or smoke], so that's been easy for me. But the constant battle with everybody was tiring, just going, 'No, you haven't broken me yet. You won't break me.'"

[TheToadieness]

poetic make believe.

[omiolo]

Laban then treats Jacob in a similarly exploitative way, extracting 14 years of labor out of Jacob instead of the expected/intended 7 years, before releasing Rachel (Gen 29).

[omiolo]

In this spirit, it seems to me that the much of the book of Genesis presents us with an extended treatment of this question regarding our responsibilities to others. At first, Jacob takes advantage of Esaus vulnerable state and cleverly gains the birthright from him. Jacob is not Esaus keeper—rather, every brother for himself.

[novarone72]

He was and for anyone who could not feel of his spirit, they must be made of stone.......bless him and his family always!

[norgaards]

I thank God for true witnesses and apostles in this age of religious confusion. Bruce R. McConkie were a true witness of the Lord and an apostle.

John

[solomanspamming]

So if this dark skin was a 'Curse', why then did these cursed people not magically turn white in 1978 when the president of the LSD cult had a 'revalation' that the mormons should allow non whites into their'priesthood'?

[devi8tour]

because the dark skin is not the curse.

[lllucas24]

Ohhh my Lord... I can't believe there is so much ignorance. The bible was created by the evil so generations will interpret this book in different ways to create separation and different religions. If Jesus came today all the people with hight power in the church will put him in Jail and find a way to kill him back.... Human Religion = Power and separation

God Religion = Freedom, Unity, and Love to everyone no matter whom they are. "sorry for my english I'm not american"

[Jaadowgg]

"2. Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are (a)black unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up." "2(a) OR dejected." The first is the verse. The second is the footnote.

[ldsteencenter]

I think "Allows His child to suffer because He loves us that much" would be more accurate of our view. In the words of his own apostle, it was "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosever believeth in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life." I don't know where you came up with the amusement part. I hope that isn't a reflection of a father you know.

[novarone72]

Well said......

[jbsbenson]

Christ didn't have to suffer!

[andersonlj]

I knew Elder McConkie and his family personally. He was truly a prophet, seer and revelator and an exemplary human being. His children and grandchildren are all a wonderful testimony of his and his wife Amelia's goodness as individuals and as teachers. His testimony of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ are powerful and true. Thanks so much for posting this along with the video.

[dash1730b]

"And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives! For we saw him, even on the right hand of God"

—Joseph Smith

[CatholicsRantiGods]

I shall speak with authority of the Priesthood in the name of the Lord God, which shall prove a savor of life unto life, or of death unto death. . . . If you wish to go where God is, you must be like God, or possess the principles which God possesses, for if we are not drawing towards God in principle, we are going from Him and drawing towards the devil. . Search your hearts, and see if you are like God. I have searched mine, and feel to repent of all my sins.

History of the Church, 4:588

[halo123dot123]

How can anyone doubt that jesus had a body.

If he be a spirit he could not have died for our sins. I stand in awe that he loved me so much that he was willing to die for me.

[ccmerrill]

Mormon or not this is a moving depiction of New Testament Scripture

[diblaster]

no men, your comment is so poor, and you show your ignorance.

[skyaglow]

solomanspamming,

we are not mormons we are latter days saints.

Jesus is the son of God and His church which is called by His name " the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints"... it belong to Him.

Mormon was an anicent prophet of God and a rightous man who gave his all for the lord.

[solomanspamming]

JC OF the latter days saints, wait so jesus will be OF latter day saints, a white and delightsome offspring of mormons, fascinating...

PS. Joseph smith was arrested for conning people using seer stones to seek burried treasure...

[diblaster]

you don`t know what is powerful, you don`t have knowlwdge, only ignorance.

[ldsniowa]

Powerful!