My sister is indoctrinating her kids heavily into fundamentalist christian dogma.. I expressed they should have a choice to her, when she flipped shit on me about mentioning dinosaurs and theories about what happened to them to my nephew.. She cut me out of their lives for a week until I patched it up for their sake. She has fully abandoned reason, and her and her husband want to force it upon their kids, and hide all other views.
Religious fanatics do NOT love their children. They love their dogma. If their children conflict with their dogma, they get abused until they do, or ejected from the family.
Religious fanatics are trash like that, And I see this sort of stuff pretty often.
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So the guy is living with his girlfriend. The parents' religious convictions have helped them accomplish exactly the opposite of what they wanted to achieve. Food for thought.
@espnfan54 There a thing called observational positivity. The only reason its not a scientific acceptance is because it vary from person to person. He exist because i have observe thing that made 1 exist. Your just blind to your own enviroment have a good life and god bless.
@pliskin543 What's grandiose about unbelief based on lack of evidence? I don't believe in UFO's, Yahweh or Zeus because I have seen none of them. All you arrogant, presumptuous believers have are emotional blackmail and emotional appeal. If anyone is holding grandiose beliefs and being dishonest, it is you. I really don't know who you think you're kidding, other than your religious cohorts.
On some level, I can empathize with the religious family. I've disowned my fundamentalist sister. In some respect, I simply have nothing to say to her. We don't share a religion or a political worldview, so any conversation would immediately lead to avarice. If she's willing to kill her children for 'god', why would I want to know her? Why would I want to be around her? I guess we atheists have to make judgements about people's character just as religious people do. I see no alternative.
My wife was disowned by her family when she came out as an atheist. My family, actually, has handled my deconversion pretty well. Her family were much more intense in the faith and more fundamentalist, which probably amplified their negative reaction.
In either case, it sucks to 'come out' as anything. It might be a relief, but has its repercussions, unfortunately.
i say this before i watch the video and thats check out the exclusive bretheren, theyre in britain, aussie and new zealand as far as i know and about two years ago now there was a 60 minutes article about a homosexual raised in a christchurch excl.breth. family and the entire church disowned him an had him excommunicated from his family and the church.......he had been stuck in their little world amongst themselves all his life to be thrown out into the real world, poor guy, luk it up
@rangergxi problem is even when your not afraid (and in some cases try to avoid the conversation altogether) you still get cunts that like to shovel it down your throat, religious people a scum
the caller should talk to the parents of this poor guy if they still live nearby and ask them if they are happy with losing their son because of this silly suspicion that he might have broken a religious rule. Ask them if they're happy with their religion?
Damn, he ought to have boinged the girl, if he didn't, if you ask me. She'd love it ... and so would he : P How sick can a belief system get before people abandon it? I can't even come up with good any questions, that's how sick it is!
I find that all too many theists--particularly monotheistic religions, while demanding toleration and even a privileged recognition of their religion, are absolutely intolerant of atheism. They will not hesitate to use coercion if they can get away with it. Not only does it put the screws on the dissenting voice, but it also serves to warn others who may be having doubts. This is why not believing is the highest crime sure to send you to Hell, with all else forgivable. It is COERCION.
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Bull. Parents who try to ruin their child's life because they grew out of their brainwashing are anything but "really nice".
I bet that they would not shed a tear if they got news that he had died in some accident. Hell, they may even cheer so that he can "learn the truth and suffer for his sins". I have seen worse.
Thanks for a follow up rant, too bad no one cares to read it, save your high horse for someone that cares what you have to say and is duped by your adolescent posturing.
Hello computer people- As a Christian I will pray for you. I hope you know that Jesus is reaching out to you and truly loves you. I have to tell you this although its not what the average Atheist likes to hear. Take it or leave it. If Jesus does happen to return to take his people AKA the vanishing (not the rapture) but same idea then what?. The prophecies are unfolding. The Word of God is so hard to believe but you'll see when you die that death is not the end. Just the beginning.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA how old are you ? ga ga ga GROW UP~ one day when you realize that your selfishness and egocentric driven life aren't that of what matters maybe you'll find your TRUE self. Good luck pal. Keep on spreading negative words~ mainly what an Atheist does- NOT ALL THOUGH HAHA
@MATRIXIZED2us what repent or burn like that isnt negative wait all christians should say that because ur bible says it and afterall it is the truth and moral ohh so moral yes u fucking faggets get stoned u fucking whores get stoned u fucking atheist get stoned to DEATH go preach somewhere else none of those are worthy crimes there not even crimes at all
Why does it have to be Jesus... I mean I was talking with god the other day, and said "I am sick of people following this Jesus guy. I have no idea where people got this idea that Jesus was my son, and the words in this bible aren't mine at all. You humans have it all wrong." ;)
I'm going to ask you something I ask a lot of people, and you wouldn't believe (tho you are theist) how many of them couldn't really answer my question.
Me and my mom were following a guy whom was saying that HE was and still is JOHN apostle of Jesus .... after 9 months of bullcrap i decided to say the truth and say he was a false prophet.
Next thing i knew my mom was deceived even more in this crap....this false prophet made beleive to my mother that i was a son of satan and i was worshipping the devil...None of this is true tho but still y mother beleive him instead of me ... Got kicked out of the house too.
hey i didnt know that this show ran in New Zealand! sweet! (i can watch it now i hope) also im not TOO surprised that he was an athiest. like, religon is basicly not all that big here- or atleast in relation to usa and other nations.
id say about- only an estimated guess from experience- 33% of us are athiest. ok odds i guess. and only about 40% are really devoted to their religous beleifs. pretty good statistics in my opinion.
Atheists are searching for nothing more than a world of rational thinkers. Atheists accept the fact that their is no"meaning" of life. There is just life. Get over it!
That's a loaded and bloated statement that presupposes only the atheist mindset monopolizes rationality and reason, and two that the prism by which you operate is infallible and able to discern between all other creeds.
With no presuppositions one cannot assert anything either, so make a point, stick by it and STFU! Stop dancing with fear on the fence and grow some balls!
The point was to show atheism doesn't operate from a vacuum of neutrality and it claims its creeds and presuppositions better than any other, ironic since that is one of the chief claims many atheists make against theists.
I'm glad you recognize the existence of presuppositions because so many are alarmingly blind to the fact and take artificial paradigms at face value as absolute infallible truth.
Organized atheism? Sounds quite dogmatic, prorogation of atheism as the way to live? Sounds like a religion, oh the hypocrisy of pretending to be neutral.
Religion is believing in a magical being or just believing in a absolute truth that tell you how to live and how life works. How does Atheists organizing make them religious? Does a commitee of any nature organizing make themself religious. Go to wiki and look up Religion, Dogma, Atheims and such. Knowledge is the key to not looking foolish.
So its logical to believe in a magical nothingness that created and organized and evolved? Now that is MAGICAL! What's the point in organizing to assert you believe in nothing? Why does organizing to assert belief in theism rankle you so? Why can't you live and let live? Instead you are on a crusade to convert, why? We came from nothing and will return to nothing according to you so what does it matter what tenants or principles, personalities, dogmas or gods one follows in this life?
1) Strawman-Nobody says the universe came from nothing
2) Another Strawman-Nobody says that nothingness can evolve
3) Yet another strawman (what do you own a farm and have too much time on your hands, or something?)-Atheists don't "believe in nothing"
4) The reason it matters to us what people believe is because people are all too willing to create laws based on those beliefs and shoehorn those beliefs into our public schools.
1. So you concede some matter was eternal for even vacuums require existence to form.
2. You in essence do as a non biological entity all of the sudden morphs into a complex biological organism. A cell-less atom procreates into a structured life form, rock, sediment, molecule, you name it.
3. I think someone that wastes their time propagating and evangelizing against other belief systems while decrying that others do the same is extraordinarily hypocritical
1) I didn't say 'matter' was eternal, I have no idea what the original 'stuff' that would go on to be our universe was.
2) Wow, another strawman. Tell you what, do something useful with these and go feed them to some horses because us humans aren't biting. Nobody claims that anything "suddenly morphs" except dishonest creationists.
3) And I think that someone who propagandizes against observed reality and makes policy decisions based on unfounded superstition is extraordinarily harmful.
3 (cont'd) Not only are they harmful to themselves (which, admittedly, I don't give a damn about), but they are harmful to those that have to live with the consequences of their decisions. A politician that believes that Jesus is coming just as soon as we can arrange the end of the world is dangerous, so is a school board member who wants to abandon established science.
4) I'm not shoehorning in anything. I'm not making a political move to have atheism taught in school or as a public policy.
4 (cont'd) And while I can't speak for every atheist out there, what I've noticed from every atheist I know and every atheist I've heard from, very few, if any atheists want to mandate any such thing. Before you come in with "secularism" this and "evolution" that, neither of those are atheism and, in fact, both have more religious proponents (i.e. Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, etc.) than atheist proponents.
Also, you have no idea how hilarious it is that you'd call me dogmatic when I am against any and all dogmatism, whether that be religious or political. I've also changed my mind on a number of things based on evidence. I suppose you could say that I'm dogmatic about evidence and dogmatic about freedom though.
And one more thing, to equate me to fundamentalists is also hilarious as they have political coalitions, they have propaganda machines, they have ambitions of theocracy; all I do is talk.
you seem to have a host of sweeping generalizations, some perhaps founded on a micro level but severely generalized and disproportionate to truth.
My whole befuddlement with someone who actively promotes atheism is that i simply want them to acknowledge its a perspective and not an absolute otherwise they assert dogmatic principles every bit as unwavering as what they claim to oppose.
I also think that theology and religious masses are not mutually exclusive.
Friend, that's a reed! Just like someone stating no absolutes bu that there are no absolutes has just made an absolution.
The point is you are not operating from a stance of neutrality and all worldviews be they secular or theological have presuppositions, built on assertions and hypothesis that are formulated in to the identities of 'creeds" and dogmas", what you are playing is but a game of semantics.
You can attack the content but you mimic the formatting.
What presuppositions? I'll grant that INDIVIDUAL atheists can have their own biases and presuppositions just like individuals of any kind, but atheism is merely the rejection of god claims, nothing more. Any other position on any other subject is a supplement to atheism, not a definition of it.
I live by certain principles, correct, and I also have a worldview which is humanism. However, let's not conflate things. Atheists can or can not be humanists, one example of atheists that would not count as humanists are autocratic communists; I wholeheartedly reject their views. I don't think ANY idea should be implemented by force, rather, ideas should be discussed. And I'm not going to be a hypocrite and say that fundamentalists shouldn't speak their ideas, let them speak
(cont'd) in fact, I encourage it. At the same time, I'd like the same courtesy in return so if I want to question their dogma, I shall have every right, if I want to criticize them, I shall have every right to, and even if I want to belittle their deity I shall have the right to. I am glad to extend to them the same privileges but I can assure you that, from my experience, I have seen that many or even most would not be willing to grant me the same privileges I grant them.
I don't discourage questioning, i just am tired of ( and this is not a personal rebuke of yourself per se) of the lazy platitudes such as "there is no god" and no qualifying argument other than to launch barbs at the opposition as weak minded or catering to imagination.
It isn't constructive or edifying, and i must insist that the statement there is no god or that there is god is a presupposition as it effects the lens by which you view the world as a whole.
Good. I believe that questioning is the only way to get to answers and as soon as one stops asking questions s/he has crippled his/her ability to learn. While I can't speak for other people, I certainly try to never attack an idea without substance because I know that that sort of thing inevitably ends up in a shouting match. I'll be honest, I'm not nice when deconstructing ideas, in fact, I'd say I'm ruthlessly irreverent, but it's never meant to be personal and it always has substance.
The thing about deconstruction is that its never ending and can devolve anything it wants, which is why I like to start with presuppositions because it finds common ground by which to relate and then identify presuppositions, it takes away some of the cyclical nature of clashing suppositions by showing they don't enter the conversation neutral but with preconceived notions and philosophy.
Well, at some point we do have to make suppositions or axioms, yes, but some leave these to a minimum and, for example, postulate as axioms that the universe exists, that logic exists, that evidence exists, and that we can use logic and evidence to learn about the universe. Meanwhile, others take much more as granted. The thing is though, that the more you take as axiom, the more you put a limit on what you can learn and the more you go against Occam's Razor.
The ideal is to have enough assumptions for a coherent system while leaving as much possible left to evidential and logical reasoning. That is the golden standard that science always strives toward and science has had tremendous and demonstrable success by using this standard.
it's not "there is no god", it's after hearing the claim "there is a god" with no qualifying argument or supportive evidence an "I don't believe you". The burden of proof is with the one making the claim.
I know it's so annoying, it's like when people come to me and just say "there are no violet leprechauns inside your head". They don't even try to engage me in a meaningful discussion. They just dismiss it without even arguing. That's not productive, that's not constructive or edifying and nothing productive can come from that. The should take the violet leprechauns inside my head seriously if they want me to respect their obviously subpar intelect.
Thanks for exposing arrogance and hubris as your MO, a closed and bitter mind that you possess, honesty and civility traits evolution did not grant you obviously, so you propagate what exactly? Oh right, yourself, as if we are supposed to care.
May you die as you lived, bitter, alone and irrelevant.
A meaningless and random accident with nothing to say and no reason to say it. Replacable and insignificant in every way.
Just the natural conclusion to your worldview, nothing has purpose so neither do you and your opinions, you are an irrelevant rambling blob, you are so full of yourself you can't even realize your hypocrisy or come to terms with how insignificant your own opinions are based on the criteria of your worldview.
It is you who relegate intellectual pursuits to the meaningless pile and it is you who were first to detract civility because you have nothing worth while to say.
how would the excistence of a god give you and your opinions value or meaning all of a sudden? you need some higher power to care about you? I really think you are the one who feels insignificant inside after all - please don't, you are perfectly unique just by the fact that you are here. cheer up and forget about this god figure :)
Why do your opinions matter now? They don't, they're just by-products of chemical reactions that occurred by flukish happenstance to align in a pristinely orderly and methodical way to create an organism.
Arguing is an exercise in futility if this is true as there is nothing to gain from our accidental existence, if meaning is something relative to personal whims then why are atheists searching for meaning? What is reason but an artificial crutch and what is truth but a fiction? All is vanity.
My question to you was: what is it about the existence of a God that suddenly "gives meaning to meaning", if you catch my drift? Let's say that you never heard of a god, you live on an isolated island and you find that live is amazing and you gaze up in the sky every night and find yourself to be truly small and unique by the same time. You find meaning just by being able to sustain life every day and pass it to the next generation. -> continued
continued-> But suddenly you find out that there is a God and he has created everything around you, he might even plan to take you and some other chosen human beings out and give them eternal life. What does it change about your perception of life? You just found out what brought it into existence, that tells nothing about the _meaning_ of your life, it might tell you that it continues in some sort of afterlife but still doesn't tell you anything about the purpose. See what I mean?
it depends on who this god is, is he the deist god, the christian god, the pagan gods.
See one of the hold ups in fruitful dialogue with anyone about atheism or theism is that to many platitudes and generalities are operated with.
I'm willing to stand with an atheist in rebuking most religion, although i find an agnostic to be more intellectually honest position for the skeptic...
"although i find an agnostic to be more intellectually honest position for the skeptic..."
You can be both atheistic and agnostic at the same time. I'm atheistic in the sense that I don't believe in any Gods but I'm agnostic in the sense that I don't claim that the existance of a (or several) God is impossible. I can never be 100% certain there's no God, but there's no evidence for him/it so I don't have any reason to believe in such a entity.
...but i want them to understand that we come to conversations with presuppositions and are not blank slates so we must widdle down commonalities in an effort to establish the origin and of our epistemology and ontology before we can get esoteric.
We are not neutral creatures, we have preconceived notions toward all and it needs to be respectfully addressed that we will approach a question differently and why, otherwise it is flippant strawman arguments and ad hominem.
"i must insist that the statement there is no god or that there is god is a presupposition as it effects the lens by which you view the world as a whole."
@ColoradoMikeyS But just because there is no evidence for something, this does not mean it doesn't exist. It just means we don't perceive its existence. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in a god or gods. I won't however, claim that there's no god. How would I go about proving such a claim?
You merely assert to replace theirs with your own, you're evangelical for the cause of atheism and an absolutionist that it is the only sane belief system, you practice the precise same things you decry of the organized theists, you've just added an "a" to the word.
Doesn't sound dogmatic, sounds organized. Big difference. Atheists have no common beliefs on which to base a dogma anyway so it would be a fruitless venture to call us "religious".
There is no "atheist" way to live as a precept, only as a result. It's the result of free thinking and NOT being a slave to dogma that leads to atheism, not a dogma that traps us there. There is no supporting evidence, so we don't buy into it. Not neutral at all. Just not a position so much as a rejection
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But Martin is so sweet, happy and like-able most of the time, but then spot on with a comment like this one on the end.
It's soooo common. And for every person who is effectively disowned for beliefs (or rejection of beliefs), there are countless more who comply with the wishes of their parents and fake belief, or resist dating people of the "wrong" race or religion etc., because they would be disowned.
My "disagreement" with religion, at least, was strictly academic. It was critical thinking and reason that led me to abandon my religious tenets. I've heard many similar stories, including Matt Dillahunty from this show.
I'd also modify your first sentence as, "The only valid reason [to be an atheist] is one's refusal to accept any notion not backed by evidence and valid, rational logic. That's "any notion"; not just creation, but the existence of any deity as well.
brilliant point my friend, if there willing to disown their children because they dont share there beliefs then they aint worth been your parents and it provwes that dont deserve to have children
According to wikipedia, the Bahai faith is supposed to emphasize uniting humanity. How can they believe in unity when they are willing to deconstruct their own family unit over some mundane detail. I guess thats dogma for you.
The Bahá'í Faith states that religion has the same foundation, and that there is unity of all religions.
It comes out of the middle easy, A break away from Islam. "unity of all religions" is known as a non-denominational faith.
Which is really not a religion. so if one is muslim or what ever religion, they believes are still the same as that religion. So if in their religion "Disowning Family Members For" breaking their believes. It's part of Bahai faith.
it may not be your reason, but its reasonable itself to assert that you reject religion because while (with the religion he's been shown) your meant to love and care for your fellow man, the religion was also teaching at the same time to disown their son.
Religious contradiction is common, and yes, some people will leave their faith for it
I think it's a slippery assumption that religion is 'supposed to be about love and caring'. That is the part of religion that society likes to embrace and nurture, but it's not the raison d'être of religion. Religions started to appease and get right with gods (forces of nature), and then to ensure an afterlife. This is evident from archaelogy. The social functions developed along with that simply because the people united in religious practice.
So the priests decided that their gods had now decreed certain moral laws and social norms for the people to follow, hich just so happened to ensure that the priests would maintain their privileges, income and protections.
I am a lifelong atheist who is married to a believer who is the daughter of a minister. Her family thinks I am going to hell certainly, but has always been polite about it. My learning to keep my mouth shut when they talk about god is the only concession I've had to make. We just learned to agree to disagree.
I can't believe these people were willing to do this to thier own kid...I'm sorry, but how can you show that much cruelty to your own child? Sure he was 18 but that doesn't justify it in the slightest.
I have a somewhat similar story: My cousin is getting married this week, he's been living with his fiancee for over a year. My uncle (his uncle too, not father) is a very devout catholic and wasn't pleased when he found out He'd moved in with her, so my cousin got a really nasty, disrespectful, email littered wioth bible verses. Most of the family was really annoyed with my uncle, and my cousin won't even let him come to the wedding because of it. Kind of the opposite to this. In a way.
I almost became Bahai after my deconversion from christianity but I didn't because they said Jesus was a historical person. I just could accept that as true because I still yet to see any evidence for it.
At that time, but now I have even more reason because of my better understanding of it today. It is not a bad faith, but it still has problems with sexism.
Actually I didn't know about it until you mentioned it and just looking over what I came up with a simple search, heck I might do a vid about it. There certainly seems to be a lot more wrong with it than sexism and jesus' existence.
Isn't Bahai kind of ecumenical, like they bring together parts from all kinds of religions? We glossed over it in a world religions class I had, and there actually is a church about 20 min. away from me. The only other thing I really remember about Bahai is that they need at least like 8 or 15 people to have a church or a meeting or something, and bc it is so small in this part of the world at least, ppl often have to drive over an hour to meet for 'church' or whatever they call it.
Exactly, it tries to bring all religions together- even though each religion specifically states that it is incompatible with any other. So to make them "come together" they must gloss over some obvious evidence from each holy book which states the opposite. Furthermore it's very typical because it states that all other prophets were sent for a purpose to guide humankind, but their prophet is the latest. But of course he is!
I was kicked out of my house when I turned 18 specifically because "if you dont want to keep going to church than you can't live here" When I turned 15ish my dad decided that we need to be more religious so we went to CCD basically and was confirmed at an older age than normal.
I stood my ground and moved out of my house. I turned 18 in August before my senior year of high school so I spent the whole year struggling through school.
Ended up joining the Army after to make a living. sucked
I'm in the exact same boat n00bhunt3r, its sad when you think about it, I have to worship the same idea as you or you won't love me anymore? Is that was jesus wants?
It wasn't. Jesus preached about turning the other cheek, loving other people no matter what and always being willing to forgive people. Funny how so many christians probably don't read the bible.
n00bhunt3r; OM(Nonexistent)G that is just like me, however I do have a few very religious people on my mothers side as well but in general it doesn't matter.
Whenever my dads family comes for a visit its all talks on persecution and creation and depressing politics, which everyone should talk about in some way at some point but not every time we see them, while on my moms side it might be that way sometimes but other times its just fun conversations or a more positive version of theother topics.
My question is... if he's dating someone he loves, and even gets back with her after long travels... how is he suppose to find someone to "marry" with which to have "ok" sex if he isn't dating to start with? I don't get that...
In Baha'i tradition, marriage requires the consent not only of both parties, but of the parents on both sides. They often take this very seriously. My understanding was that this is limited to engagement and that courtship doesn't involve the parents giving a stamp of approval, so I guess all the fuss was either because they had something else against the girl in question or the suspicion of sexual activity. I don't know, though.
My sister is indoctrinating her kids heavily into fundamentalist christian dogma.. I expressed they should have a choice to her, when she flipped shit on me about mentioning dinosaurs and theories about what happened to them to my nephew.. She cut me out of their lives for a week until I patched it up for their sake. She has fully abandoned reason, and her and her husband want to force it upon their kids, and hide all other views.
xtimrs 1 month ago
Well this just goes to support my view.
Religious fanatics do NOT love their children. They love their dogma. If their children conflict with their dogma, they get abused until they do, or ejected from the family.
Religious fanatics are trash like that, And I see this sort of stuff pretty often.
TheSkunkCat 1 month ago
@letmebeyourknight In my opinion, if someone disowns you for lack of belief in a god then they aren't very close to you to begin with anyways.
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
So the guy is living with his girlfriend. The parents' religious convictions have helped them accomplish exactly the opposite of what they wanted to achieve. Food for thought.
expatriate40 6 months ago
WOW you guys dont understand what your talking about. I doubt you understand the grander of the statment i dont beleive in god. Are you blind?
pliskin543 9 months ago
@pliskin543 God doesn't exist
espnfan54 9 months ago
@espnfan54 There a thing called observational positivity. The only reason its not a scientific acceptance is because it vary from person to person. He exist because i have observe thing that made 1 exist. Your just blind to your own enviroment have a good life and god bless.
pliskin543 9 months ago
@pliskin543 What are you trying to convert me on youtube from being an atheist?
LOL
espnfan54 9 months ago
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Revelation is necessarily first person.
Though I would argue whatever personal revelation you've had was more than likely something naturally explainable.
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@pliskin543 What's grandiose about unbelief based on lack of evidence? I don't believe in UFO's, Yahweh or Zeus because I have seen none of them. All you arrogant, presumptuous believers have are emotional blackmail and emotional appeal. If anyone is holding grandiose beliefs and being dishonest, it is you. I really don't know who you think you're kidding, other than your religious cohorts.
richwfd2002 3 months ago
On some level, I can empathize with the religious family. I've disowned my fundamentalist sister. In some respect, I simply have nothing to say to her. We don't share a religion or a political worldview, so any conversation would immediately lead to avarice. If she's willing to kill her children for 'god', why would I want to know her? Why would I want to be around her? I guess we atheists have to make judgements about people's character just as religious people do. I see no alternative.
myerssa7 9 months ago
theoretical sex will get you kicked out of almost anything these days
:(
electorg 10 months ago
My wife was disowned by her family when she came out as an atheist. My family, actually, has handled my deconversion pretty well. Her family were much more intense in the faith and more fundamentalist, which probably amplified their negative reaction.
In either case, it sucks to 'come out' as anything. It might be a relief, but has its repercussions, unfortunately.
shantih433 1 year ago
hahahahaha hes getting laid
cruel but true
and v.funny
scottishmower 1 year ago
God made me an atheist, who are you to question his decision?
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 1 year ago 26
@FrankieSayRelaxxx1 It's statements like that, that make me thank god I'm an atheist
soundmindwar 1 year ago 3
i say this before i watch the video and thats check out the exclusive bretheren, theyre in britain, aussie and new zealand as far as i know and about two years ago now there was a 60 minutes article about a homosexual raised in a christchurch excl.breth. family and the entire church disowned him an had him excommunicated from his family and the church.......he had been stuck in their little world amongst themselves all his life to be thrown out into the real world, poor guy, luk it up
KuntOut 1 year ago
@KuntOut shiver me timbers! the guy was FROM nz afterall
KuntOut 1 year ago
i HATE the fact folk do this NOTHING god or not should come before your family n fact folk feel that god is no.1 is just sad.
killallneds 1 year ago
these parent may well be immigrants/refugees from iran where it religion was identity and crucial. scars take time to heal.
dalinean 1 year ago
Being non-religious is not an important part of your everyday life... Just don't tell people if your afraid.
On the otherhand... don't be afraid. Who cares?
rangergxi 1 year ago
@rangergxi problem is even when your not afraid (and in some cases try to avoid the conversation altogether) you still get cunts that like to shovel it down your throat, religious people a scum
KuntOut 1 year ago
@KuntOut When people tell me to follow a god, I follow Thor. That hammer is just badass.
rangergxi 1 year ago 8
@rangergxi hahah fuck yea!
KuntOut 1 year ago
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LuvLennonMcCartney 1 year ago
the caller should talk to the parents of this poor guy if they still live nearby and ask them if they are happy with losing their son because of this silly suspicion that he might have broken a religious rule. Ask them if they're happy with their religion?
Damn, he ought to have boinged the girl, if he didn't, if you ask me. She'd love it ... and so would he : P How sick can a belief system get before people abandon it? I can't even come up with good any questions, that's how sick it is!
aNdYmAtTeR 1 year ago
5:15 because he got laid :D
KarinMikazuki 1 year ago 2
I find that all too many theists--particularly monotheistic religions, while demanding toleration and even a privileged recognition of their religion, are absolutely intolerant of atheism. They will not hesitate to use coercion if they can get away with it. Not only does it put the screws on the dissenting voice, but it also serves to warn others who may be having doubts. This is why not believing is the highest crime sure to send you to Hell, with all else forgivable. It is COERCION.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
Audit your thetans before it's too late!!
Redbeardian 1 year ago
This guy says "like" like a million times like..... Fuck he is so annoying!!!
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago 3
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TedDGPoulos 1 year ago
They said "good bahai". That killed me.
jgordon707 1 year ago 5
i was about to thumbs down just because of gay ass coldplay
desconocidos27 1 year ago
@desconocidos27 that wasn't coldplay you twit.
thousandlegger 1 year ago
People use religion as a crutch...it's a pyschological condition imo.
julzabro 1 year ago 5
"They were actually really nice people"
Bull. Parents who try to ruin their child's life because they grew out of their brainwashing are anything but "really nice".
I bet that they would not shed a tear if they got news that he had died in some accident. Hell, they may even cheer so that he can "learn the truth and suffer for his sins". I have seen worse.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago 4
what's the name of the song at the beginning and end of the video?
h4r5h4 2 years ago
Thanks for a follow up rant, too bad no one cares to read it, save your high horse for someone that cares what you have to say and is duped by your adolescent posturing.
Speegs23 2 years ago
you might want to formulate a non infantile worldview before posting diatribes, nut I guess you'd be silent then.
Speegs23 2 years ago
Negate science. Argue about it on the internet.
Dzotshen 2 years ago
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Hello computer people- As a Christian I will pray for you. I hope you know that Jesus is reaching out to you and truly loves you. I have to tell you this although its not what the average Atheist likes to hear. Take it or leave it. If Jesus does happen to return to take his people AKA the vanishing (not the rapture) but same idea then what?. The prophecies are unfolding. The Word of God is so hard to believe but you'll see when you die that death is not the end. Just the beginning.
MATRIXIZED2us 2 years ago
@MATRIXIZED2us fucking weirdo suck my dick!
ytben26 2 years ago 2
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA how old are you ? ga ga ga GROW UP~ one day when you realize that your selfishness and egocentric driven life aren't that of what matters maybe you'll find your TRUE self. Good luck pal. Keep on spreading negative words~ mainly what an Atheist does- NOT ALL THOUGH HAHA
MATRIXIZED2us 2 years ago
@MATRIXIZED2us what repent or burn like that isnt negative wait all christians should say that because ur bible says it and afterall it is the truth and moral ohh so moral yes u fucking faggets get stoned u fucking whores get stoned u fucking atheist get stoned to DEATH go preach somewhere else none of those are worthy crimes there not even crimes at all
patrickledford420 1 year ago
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ninjatoothpaste 1 year ago
Why does it have to be Jesus... I mean I was talking with god the other day, and said "I am sick of people following this Jesus guy. I have no idea where people got this idea that Jesus was my son, and the words in this bible aren't mine at all. You humans have it all wrong." ;)
LemUUU 2 years ago 4
OK, MATRIXIZED2us. I appreciate your concern. You said take or leave your advice. I'm going to leave it. No offense.
filthyphillyboy 2 years ago 2
@Matrix, You seriously picked the wrong video to evangelize on. o.0
darkmiles22 2 years ago
I'm going to ask you something I ask a lot of people, and you wouldn't believe (tho you are theist) how many of them couldn't really answer my question.
WHY do you believe in God?
losebiramnickove 2 years ago 7
@losebiramnickove this question is why im not crying at night because i cussed at school, and people dont want to ask theirselves that question
18lalalalala 1 year ago
How sick and disgusting of the parents to treat their child like that. That's absolutely disgusting. Ugh.... makes me want to throw up.
bttrflykiss7701 2 years ago
Happened a similar story to me.
Me and my mom were following a guy whom was saying that HE was and still is JOHN apostle of Jesus .... after 9 months of bullcrap i decided to say the truth and say he was a false prophet.
Next thing i knew my mom was deceived even more in this crap....this false prophet made beleive to my mother that i was a son of satan and i was worshipping the devil...None of this is true tho but still y mother beleive him instead of me ... Got kicked out of the house too.
patphilosopher 2 years ago 6
hey i didnt know that this show ran in New Zealand! sweet! (i can watch it now i hope) also im not TOO surprised that he was an athiest. like, religon is basicly not all that big here- or atleast in relation to usa and other nations.
id say about- only an estimated guess from experience- 33% of us are athiest. ok odds i guess. and only about 40% are really devoted to their religous beleifs. pretty good statistics in my opinion.
xXxforkboyxXx 2 years ago
When I say "Atheists" I mean me, for I cannot speak for all atheists. I find it odd that Speeg can.
Einsteinian99 2 years ago
Thats because speeg is a god, he knows everything. XD.
superjeff14 2 years ago
Atheists are searching for nothing more than a world of rational thinkers. Atheists accept the fact that their is no"meaning" of life. There is just life. Get over it!
Einsteinian99 2 years ago 3
That's a loaded and bloated statement that presupposes only the atheist mindset monopolizes rationality and reason, and two that the prism by which you operate is infallible and able to discern between all other creeds.
Speegs23 2 years ago
With no presuppositions one cannot assert anything either, so make a point, stick by it and STFU! Stop dancing with fear on the fence and grow some balls!
Einsteinian99 2 years ago 2
The point was to show atheism doesn't operate from a vacuum of neutrality and it claims its creeds and presuppositions better than any other, ironic since that is one of the chief claims many atheists make against theists.
I'm glad you recognize the existence of presuppositions because so many are alarmingly blind to the fact and take artificial paradigms at face value as absolute infallible truth.
Speegs23 2 years ago
Please go read your philosophy books amongst yourself! Hell, we don't even really exist and no arguement is valid.
Einsteinian99 2 years ago
That is the nihilism and post modern conclusion for certain, if relativism is permitted authority.
Speegs23 2 years ago
Great. Another moronic religion to avoid. Baha'i.
Not that I would follow any religion with a name that stupid. Sounds like a friggen Klingon.
Then again, all religions are stupid regardless so maybe giving them idiotic names will just reinforce the obvious.
Diomedes01 2 years ago
Organized atheism? Sounds quite dogmatic, prorogation of atheism as the way to live? Sounds like a religion, oh the hypocrisy of pretending to be neutral.
Speegs23 2 years ago
Religion is believing in a magical being or just believing in a absolute truth that tell you how to live and how life works. How does Atheists organizing make them religious? Does a commitee of any nature organizing make themself religious. Go to wiki and look up Religion, Dogma, Atheims and such. Knowledge is the key to not looking foolish.
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago 2
So its logical to believe in a magical nothingness that created and organized and evolved? Now that is MAGICAL! What's the point in organizing to assert you believe in nothing? Why does organizing to assert belief in theism rankle you so? Why can't you live and let live? Instead you are on a crusade to convert, why? We came from nothing and will return to nothing according to you so what does it matter what tenants or principles, personalities, dogmas or gods one follows in this life?
Speegs23 2 years ago
1) Strawman-Nobody says the universe came from nothing
2) Another Strawman-Nobody says that nothingness can evolve
3) Yet another strawman (what do you own a farm and have too much time on your hands, or something?)-Atheists don't "believe in nothing"
4) The reason it matters to us what people believe is because people are all too willing to create laws based on those beliefs and shoehorn those beliefs into our public schools.
califoniania 2 years ago
1. So you concede some matter was eternal for even vacuums require existence to form.
2. You in essence do as a non biological entity all of the sudden morphs into a complex biological organism. A cell-less atom procreates into a structured life form, rock, sediment, molecule, you name it.
3. I think someone that wastes their time propagating and evangelizing against other belief systems while decrying that others do the same is extraordinarily hypocritical
4.
Speegs23 2 years ago
1) I didn't say 'matter' was eternal, I have no idea what the original 'stuff' that would go on to be our universe was.
2) Wow, another strawman. Tell you what, do something useful with these and go feed them to some horses because us humans aren't biting. Nobody claims that anything "suddenly morphs" except dishonest creationists.
3) And I think that someone who propagandizes against observed reality and makes policy decisions based on unfounded superstition is extraordinarily harmful.
califoniania 2 years ago 2
3 (cont'd) Not only are they harmful to themselves (which, admittedly, I don't give a damn about), but they are harmful to those that have to live with the consequences of their decisions. A politician that believes that Jesus is coming just as soon as we can arrange the end of the world is dangerous, so is a school board member who wants to abandon established science.
4) I'm not shoehorning in anything. I'm not making a political move to have atheism taught in school or as a public policy.
califoniania 2 years ago
4 (cont'd) And while I can't speak for every atheist out there, what I've noticed from every atheist I know and every atheist I've heard from, very few, if any atheists want to mandate any such thing. Before you come in with "secularism" this and "evolution" that, neither of those are atheism and, in fact, both have more religious proponents (i.e. Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, etc.) than atheist proponents.
califoniania 2 years ago
You are blinded by your own dogmatics because every thing you decry you in turn practice.
You seek to replace their creeds with your own and nothing more.
Speegs23 2 years ago
What creeds? The only statement atheism makes is that gods don't exist and I'd NEVER force that to be public policy.
califoniania 2 years ago
Also, you have no idea how hilarious it is that you'd call me dogmatic when I am against any and all dogmatism, whether that be religious or political. I've also changed my mind on a number of things based on evidence. I suppose you could say that I'm dogmatic about evidence and dogmatic about freedom though.
califoniania 2 years ago
And one more thing, to equate me to fundamentalists is also hilarious as they have political coalitions, they have propaganda machines, they have ambitions of theocracy; all I do is talk.
califoniania 2 years ago
you seem to have a host of sweeping generalizations, some perhaps founded on a micro level but severely generalized and disproportionate to truth.
My whole befuddlement with someone who actively promotes atheism is that i simply want them to acknowledge its a perspective and not an absolute otherwise they assert dogmatic principles every bit as unwavering as what they claim to oppose.
I also think that theology and religious masses are not mutually exclusive.
Speegs23 2 years ago
It's not an absolute, we agree there. There is nothing I am unwavering about except evidence and human rights.
califoniania 2 years ago
Friend, that's a reed! Just like someone stating no absolutes bu that there are no absolutes has just made an absolution.
The point is you are not operating from a stance of neutrality and all worldviews be they secular or theological have presuppositions, built on assertions and hypothesis that are formulated in to the identities of 'creeds" and dogmas", what you are playing is but a game of semantics.
You can attack the content but you mimic the formatting.
Speegs23 2 years ago
What presuppositions? I'll grant that INDIVIDUAL atheists can have their own biases and presuppositions just like individuals of any kind, but atheism is merely the rejection of god claims, nothing more. Any other position on any other subject is a supplement to atheism, not a definition of it.
califoniania 2 years ago
That's a creed you live by and analyze your worldview with accordingly.
Speegs23 2 years ago
I live by certain principles, correct, and I also have a worldview which is humanism. However, let's not conflate things. Atheists can or can not be humanists, one example of atheists that would not count as humanists are autocratic communists; I wholeheartedly reject their views. I don't think ANY idea should be implemented by force, rather, ideas should be discussed. And I'm not going to be a hypocrite and say that fundamentalists shouldn't speak their ideas, let them speak
califoniania 2 years ago 2
(cont'd) in fact, I encourage it. At the same time, I'd like the same courtesy in return so if I want to question their dogma, I shall have every right, if I want to criticize them, I shall have every right to, and even if I want to belittle their deity I shall have the right to. I am glad to extend to them the same privileges but I can assure you that, from my experience, I have seen that many or even most would not be willing to grant me the same privileges I grant them.
califoniania 2 years ago 2
I don't discourage questioning, i just am tired of ( and this is not a personal rebuke of yourself per se) of the lazy platitudes such as "there is no god" and no qualifying argument other than to launch barbs at the opposition as weak minded or catering to imagination.
It isn't constructive or edifying, and i must insist that the statement there is no god or that there is god is a presupposition as it effects the lens by which you view the world as a whole.
Speegs23 2 years ago
Good. I believe that questioning is the only way to get to answers and as soon as one stops asking questions s/he has crippled his/her ability to learn. While I can't speak for other people, I certainly try to never attack an idea without substance because I know that that sort of thing inevitably ends up in a shouting match. I'll be honest, I'm not nice when deconstructing ideas, in fact, I'd say I'm ruthlessly irreverent, but it's never meant to be personal and it always has substance.
califoniania 2 years ago
The thing about deconstruction is that its never ending and can devolve anything it wants, which is why I like to start with presuppositions because it finds common ground by which to relate and then identify presuppositions, it takes away some of the cyclical nature of clashing suppositions by showing they don't enter the conversation neutral but with preconceived notions and philosophy.
Speegs23 2 years ago
Well, at some point we do have to make suppositions or axioms, yes, but some leave these to a minimum and, for example, postulate as axioms that the universe exists, that logic exists, that evidence exists, and that we can use logic and evidence to learn about the universe. Meanwhile, others take much more as granted. The thing is though, that the more you take as axiom, the more you put a limit on what you can learn and the more you go against Occam's Razor.
califoniania 2 years ago
The ideal is to have enough assumptions for a coherent system while leaving as much possible left to evidential and logical reasoning. That is the golden standard that science always strives toward and science has had tremendous and demonstrable success by using this standard.
califoniania 2 years ago 2
it's not "there is no god", it's after hearing the claim "there is a god" with no qualifying argument or supportive evidence an "I don't believe you". The burden of proof is with the one making the claim.
domino1492 2 years ago
I know it's so annoying, it's like when people come to me and just say "there are no violet leprechauns inside your head". They don't even try to engage me in a meaningful discussion. They just dismiss it without even arguing. That's not productive, that's not constructive or edifying and nothing productive can come from that. The should take the violet leprechauns inside my head seriously if they want me to respect their obviously subpar intelect.
kaminarigaston 2 years ago
Thanks for exposing arrogance and hubris as your MO, a closed and bitter mind that you possess, honesty and civility traits evolution did not grant you obviously, so you propagate what exactly? Oh right, yourself, as if we are supposed to care.
May you die as you lived, bitter, alone and irrelevant.
A meaningless and random accident with nothing to say and no reason to say it. Replacable and insignificant in every way.
Speegs23 2 years ago
I like how you call other people arrogant while also calling them irrelevant, replaceable and insignificant. All at once. I love unintended irony.
kaminarigaston 2 years ago 4
Just the natural conclusion to your worldview, nothing has purpose so neither do you and your opinions, you are an irrelevant rambling blob, you are so full of yourself you can't even realize your hypocrisy or come to terms with how insignificant your own opinions are based on the criteria of your worldview.
It is you who relegate intellectual pursuits to the meaningless pile and it is you who were first to detract civility because you have nothing worth while to say.
Speegs23 2 years ago
how would the excistence of a god give you and your opinions value or meaning all of a sudden? you need some higher power to care about you? I really think you are the one who feels insignificant inside after all - please don't, you are perfectly unique just by the fact that you are here. cheer up and forget about this god figure :)
have a nice day!
Gaia1986 2 years ago
Why do your opinions matter now? They don't, they're just by-products of chemical reactions that occurred by flukish happenstance to align in a pristinely orderly and methodical way to create an organism.
Arguing is an exercise in futility if this is true as there is nothing to gain from our accidental existence, if meaning is something relative to personal whims then why are atheists searching for meaning? What is reason but an artificial crutch and what is truth but a fiction? All is vanity.
Speegs23 2 years ago
My question to you was: what is it about the existence of a God that suddenly "gives meaning to meaning", if you catch my drift? Let's say that you never heard of a god, you live on an isolated island and you find that live is amazing and you gaze up in the sky every night and find yourself to be truly small and unique by the same time. You find meaning just by being able to sustain life every day and pass it to the next generation. -> continued
Gaia1986 2 years ago
continued-> But suddenly you find out that there is a God and he has created everything around you, he might even plan to take you and some other chosen human beings out and give them eternal life. What does it change about your perception of life? You just found out what brought it into existence, that tells nothing about the _meaning_ of your life, it might tell you that it continues in some sort of afterlife but still doesn't tell you anything about the purpose. See what I mean?
Gaia1986 2 years ago
it depends on who this god is, is he the deist god, the christian god, the pagan gods.
See one of the hold ups in fruitful dialogue with anyone about atheism or theism is that to many platitudes and generalities are operated with.
I'm willing to stand with an atheist in rebuking most religion, although i find an agnostic to be more intellectually honest position for the skeptic...
Speegs23 2 years ago
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"although i find an agnostic to be more intellectually honest position for the skeptic..."
You can be both atheistic and agnostic at the same time. I'm atheistic in the sense that I don't believe in any Gods but I'm agnostic in the sense that I don't claim that the existance of a (or several) God is impossible. I can never be 100% certain there's no God, but there's no evidence for him/it so I don't have any reason to believe in such a entity.
Bobbo110 2 years ago
...but i want them to understand that we come to conversations with presuppositions and are not blank slates so we must widdle down commonalities in an effort to establish the origin and of our epistemology and ontology before we can get esoteric.
We are not neutral creatures, we have preconceived notions toward all and it needs to be respectfully addressed that we will approach a question differently and why, otherwise it is flippant strawman arguments and ad hominem.
Speegs23 2 years ago
"i must insist that the statement there is no god or that there is god is a presupposition as it effects the lens by which you view the world as a whole."
There is no evidence that any god exists.
ColoradoMikeyS 2 years ago 47
Nor that he doesn't so you're back to presuppositions.
Speegs23 2 years ago
@ColoradoMikeyS But just because there is no evidence for something, this does not mean it doesn't exist. It just means we don't perceive its existence. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in a god or gods. I won't however, claim that there's no god. How would I go about proving such a claim?
shantih433 1 year ago
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@ColoradoMikeyS: "There is no evidence that any god exists."
BINGO. If only people could understand this, the world would be a better place for everyone.
mikefromwa 6 months ago
4. So you have decided your beliefs are best for all, your shoe horn being the best for everybody.
Speegs23 2 years ago
You merely assert to replace theirs with your own, you're evangelical for the cause of atheism and an absolutionist that it is the only sane belief system, you practice the precise same things you decry of the organized theists, you've just added an "a" to the word.
Speegs23 2 years ago
Doesn't sound dogmatic, sounds organized. Big difference. Atheists have no common beliefs on which to base a dogma anyway so it would be a fruitless venture to call us "religious".
There is no "atheist" way to live as a precept, only as a result. It's the result of free thinking and NOT being a slave to dogma that leads to atheism, not a dogma that traps us there. There is no supporting evidence, so we don't buy into it. Not neutral at all. Just not a position so much as a rejection
Peace
AtheistEvolution 2 years ago 3
I love how Martin summed it up.
Most people go on how they like Matt and stuff, but i really like how the show rotates the hosts and love all of their perspectives and what they add to the show. I think i like Jen and Tracie the best. I would love to see a show with just them. <3
But Martin is so sweet, happy and like-able most of the time, but then spot on with a comment like this one on the end.
LeafHuntress 2 years ago 2
Baha'i check,
Many thanks one must know his enemy =)
KaelHunter 2 years ago 3
So thats another Religion to add to the retard list.
Bohui, check.
KaelHunter 2 years ago 5
It's spelled Baha'i
Mojotechmk1 2 years ago
Like, I don't know
villeppi 2 years ago 2
It's soooo common. And for every person who is effectively disowned for beliefs (or rejection of beliefs), there are countless more who comply with the wishes of their parents and fake belief, or resist dating people of the "wrong" race or religion etc., because they would be disowned.
coolman9999uk 2 years ago 5
i hqve a cow just lke the ones in the background
MonsterMo44 2 years ago
I wouldn't say "most", VC.
My "disagreement" with religion, at least, was strictly academic. It was critical thinking and reason that led me to abandon my religious tenets. I've heard many similar stories, including Matt Dillahunty from this show.
I'd also modify your first sentence as, "The only valid reason [to be an atheist] is one's refusal to accept any notion not backed by evidence and valid, rational logic. That's "any notion"; not just creation, but the existence of any deity as well.
Skullpudding 2 years ago
This is completely off topic, but this kid said "like" WAY too goddamn much.. ;)
siciliano29 2 years ago 2
LOL.. I should have waited until the vid was over to comment ;)
siciliano29 2 years ago
exactly my point, but better!
meloveanna 2 years ago
Fuck the parents. Their loss.
FreeInquisition 2 years ago 5
brilliant point my friend, if there willing to disown their children because they dont share there beliefs then they aint worth been your parents and it provwes that dont deserve to have children
shawndimery 2 years ago 2
Who was that music at the begining?
gpokriff2 2 years ago
what a shitty reason to be an atheist, takes more reason than that
meloveanna 2 years ago
What a shitty comment, takes more brains than this to post a good one.
MortalTodd 2 years ago 2
I was scared to death my family was going to disown me. They didn't; thank Zeus and Horus!
SerdnaSagrav 2 years ago 2
Fanaticism is also against the tenets of Bahai. The parents are not good Bahai.
shoogie06 2 years ago
According to wikipedia, the Bahai faith is supposed to emphasize uniting humanity. How can they believe in unity when they are willing to deconstruct their own family unit over some mundane detail. I guess thats dogma for you.
lightintheireyes 2 years ago
The Bahá'í Faith states that religion has the same foundation, and that there is unity of all religions.
It comes out of the middle easy, A break away from Islam. "unity of all religions" is known as a non-denominational faith.
Which is really not a religion. so if one is muslim or what ever religion, they believes are still the same as that religion. So if in their religion "Disowning Family Members For" breaking their believes. It's part of Bahai faith.
standforamerica 2 years ago
sad story but no reason to be an atheist
Sparten456 2 years ago
it may not be your reason, but its reasonable itself to assert that you reject religion because while (with the religion he's been shown) your meant to love and care for your fellow man, the religion was also teaching at the same time to disown their son.
Religious contradiction is common, and yes, some people will leave their faith for it
ZechsLightningBaron 2 years ago
actually all you need is 'reason' to be an atheist my friend.
macguyverdiver1 2 years ago 6
nice one!
Sparten456 2 years ago
I think it's a slippery assumption that religion is 'supposed to be about love and caring'. That is the part of religion that society likes to embrace and nurture, but it's not the raison d'être of religion. Religions started to appease and get right with gods (forces of nature), and then to ensure an afterlife. This is evident from archaelogy. The social functions developed along with that simply because the people united in religious practice.
blackwolf1272 2 years ago
So the priests decided that their gods had now decreed certain moral laws and social norms for the people to follow, hich just so happened to ensure that the priests would maintain their privileges, income and protections.
blackwolf1272 2 years ago
What did he say?? What did they learned?
daddyleon 2 years ago
Does anyone know what the opening song is????
zanderboy27 2 years ago
The good Baha'i almost made me choke on my cheerios bwahahha.
Lpoolboy 2 years ago 2
This is true. My mum thinks that God has promised her that my entire family will be saved, even though only 3 out of 6 of us believe in God.
My mum and two sisters believe and my brother, me and my dad are atheists.
Lpoolboy 2 years ago
Does anyone know the name of things song??
Flipsen89 2 years ago
you should say that
CrunkRockSteadyEvan 2 years ago
Matt: "Did they say good-Baha'i?" = coffee straight out my nose.
TMH23 2 years ago 2
I am a lifelong atheist who is married to a believer who is the daughter of a minister. Her family thinks I am going to hell certainly, but has always been polite about it. My learning to keep my mouth shut when they talk about god is the only concession I've had to make. We just learned to agree to disagree.
JonKevinCherry 2 years ago
what about your kids? is grampa going to save them, or are you going to teach them not to be fucking retards
CrunkRockSteadyEvan 2 years ago
It's OK Matt - I got the joke!
IronMAidan 2 years ago 2
I can't believe these people were willing to do this to thier own kid...I'm sorry, but how can you show that much cruelty to your own child? Sure he was 18 but that doesn't justify it in the slightest.
xCrazyJayx 2 years ago
I have a somewhat similar story: My cousin is getting married this week, he's been living with his fiancee for over a year. My uncle (his uncle too, not father) is a very devout catholic and wasn't pleased when he found out He'd moved in with her, so my cousin got a really nasty, disrespectful, email littered wioth bible verses. Most of the family was really annoyed with my uncle, and my cousin won't even let him come to the wedding because of it. Kind of the opposite to this. In a way.
xCrazyJayx 2 years ago
good for your cousin, he made the right decision
CrunkRockSteadyEvan 2 years ago
I almost became Bahai after my deconversion from christianity but I didn't because they said Jesus was a historical person. I just could accept that as true because I still yet to see any evidence for it.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
The only reason you are not following the Bahai faith is your doubt of Jesus' authenticity?
SubjectOfInterest 2 years ago
At that time, but now I have even more reason because of my better understanding of it today. It is not a bad faith, but it still has problems with sexism.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
Actually I didn't know about it until you mentioned it and just looking over what I came up with a simple search, heck I might do a vid about it. There certainly seems to be a lot more wrong with it than sexism and jesus' existence.
SubjectOfInterest 2 years ago
Isn't Bahai kind of ecumenical, like they bring together parts from all kinds of religions? We glossed over it in a world religions class I had, and there actually is a church about 20 min. away from me. The only other thing I really remember about Bahai is that they need at least like 8 or 15 people to have a church or a meeting or something, and bc it is so small in this part of the world at least, ppl often have to drive over an hour to meet for 'church' or whatever they call it.
fauyd 2 years ago
Exactly, it tries to bring all religions together- even though each religion specifically states that it is incompatible with any other. So to make them "come together" they must gloss over some obvious evidence from each holy book which states the opposite. Furthermore it's very typical because it states that all other prophets were sent for a purpose to guide humankind, but their prophet is the latest. But of course he is!
SubjectOfInterest 2 years ago
You guys need to drape the FSM noodles over the sacred cows on each side. They are loving noodles afterall.
saxmanchiro 2 years ago
I was kicked out of my house when I turned 18 specifically because "if you dont want to keep going to church than you can't live here" When I turned 15ish my dad decided that we need to be more religious so we went to CCD basically and was confirmed at an older age than normal.
I stood my ground and moved out of my house. I turned 18 in August before my senior year of high school so I spent the whole year struggling through school.
Ended up joining the Army after to make a living. sucked
foswell 2 years ago
What song is that at the beginning?
artdragondream 2 years ago
I get the feeling that Matt gets annoyed with the round about way Martin addresses issues, as if it's unimportant or irrelevant.
megamanium 2 years ago
If my dads side of the family finds out I'm atheist I'll be disowned =\
but my moms side doesn't care.
n00bhunt3r 2 years ago 2
I'm in the exact same boat n00bhunt3r, its sad when you think about it, I have to worship the same idea as you or you won't love me anymore? Is that was jesus wants?
ThatLoudGuyMike 2 years ago 2
It wasn't. Jesus preached about turning the other cheek, loving other people no matter what and always being willing to forgive people. Funny how so many christians probably don't read the bible.
xCrazyJayx 2 years ago
Really?
RattleheadAnthony 2 years ago
n00bhunt3r; OM(Nonexistent)G that is just like me, however I do have a few very religious people on my mothers side as well but in general it doesn't matter.
Whenever my dads family comes for a visit its all talks on persecution and creation and depressing politics, which everyone should talk about in some way at some point but not every time we see them, while on my moms side it might be that way sometimes but other times its just fun conversations or a more positive version of theother topics.
VisitingXenoc133 2 years ago
Yeah pretending to be a christian republican for my dads side of the family sucks xD, I live with my dads side too so it sucks =\
n00bhunt3r 2 years ago
3:33
What religion doesn't say that?
Deshara218 2 years ago
My question is... if he's dating someone he loves, and even gets back with her after long travels... how is he suppose to find someone to "marry" with which to have "ok" sex if he isn't dating to start with? I don't get that...
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
In Baha'i tradition, marriage requires the consent not only of both parties, but of the parents on both sides. They often take this very seriously. My understanding was that this is limited to engagement and that courtship doesn't involve the parents giving a stamp of approval, so I guess all the fuss was either because they had something else against the girl in question or the suspicion of sexual activity. I don't know, though.
TheStephenation 2 years ago
Talk about shitty parents.
Gerafix 2 years ago 3