Vatican offers Lefebvrians a 'personal prelature' if they come back to the Church

[Search4diabetescure]

I pray and hope that Monsignor Fellay will say to Rome, "Thank you very much, but no thank you. I cannot swallow any and all elements contained within various documents that came from the Second Vatican Council. None is acceptable, especially the satanic masonic teachings contain therein. It has been nice knowing you. How about you giving up satan and return to the TRUE FAITH?"

[hiroshi2020]

@eraser695 I agree! Long Live the Pope! This indeed IS a generous offer, and I want the SSPX to finally be within our fold.

[Eltsacwenify]

I wish I were a fly on the wall at the private meeting held between Bishop Fellay and Cardinal Levada to hear what is being said and know what the final outcome is going to be.

[Ettoredipugnar]

Lefebvrians ? or Lefebvrianists ?

[AdversusHaereses]

@Ettoredipugnar I've hear Lefebvrites before, because that is the French. In Italian they call them "Lefebvriani" which is probably why she just translated from the Italian.

[eraser695]

The Masons known as Sedevacantists must be Burning.

[eraser695]

Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI, may God give you long life and good health.

Because if you Live Long I know you will make the Whole Christendom,

Christ's One Body.

[wildfire110]

I pray that the whole Christendom may be one!

[400freedom1]

Yeah right. The SSPX are outside of the Church but the "Orthodox" are in the Church though they reject 13 councils, and Papal Infallibility....

The Vatican 2 religion is a joke.

[Eltsacwenify]

@400freedom1 I agree vatican 2 are blind and don't know what they are talking about

[777Zachary777]

see... Bl. PJ II united the world (in a way) and Now BXVI is bringing the Church and Christians together... Pray, Pray, Pray!!!!!!

[kxmode]

This is the world's largest cult. Nothing they teach was there in the original Christian congregation. None of their doctrines are even found in the bible. They twisted the Bible around to suit their doctrine. Their origins are based on Pagan Roman customs and traditions. Do your homework.

[ominoreg]

@kxmode Are you talking about the Lefabrians or Catholics in general?

[kxmode]

@ominoreg ...in general

[HetmanWojtek]

@kxmode

Jesus Christ said His church is one, visible, and apostolic (John 17). The Catholic Church Biblically and historically fits this criterion. Protestant sects are literally divided by the thousands, all of them say they are “Bible Only” and inspired yet they all disagree with each other on key doctrines critical to salvation. If Protestantism is true then Christ is a liar. The Jehovah Witness Cult, founded in the 19th century, is hardly apostolic and a spawn of Satan.

[kxmode]

@HetmanWojtek When the great tribulation comes (Matthew 24:15-22) and you see all religions of the world being systematically hunted down and destroyed then you will remember this comment. (Revelation 17:16-18; 18:4-8) It's going to happen very soon. (Matthew 21:25-28) Whether you believe it or not it doesn't matter. The main goal is to do what Jesus said and warn people about the end of this system, but also to give hope through the good news about God's Kingdom (Matthew 24:14; 28:19,20)

[ominoreg]

@kxmode

Not all Christian Traditions are in the bible. Christmas Day, Easter Day, the word Trinity - these are just a few. Christ itself is a Roman terminology adopted from the Greek spoken in the day. We'd all be called Yashuans otherwise. I'm not inciting a fight or an argument. I'm just taken back by what you said, given this is a Catholic Channel.

[kxmode]

@ominoreg I'm doing it because people need to know they're being lied to, and because of the urgency of the times we live in. (2 Timothy 3:1-5; Matthew 24:6-14; Galatians 5:19-21) This system is coming to a violent end very, very soon. The very first thing to go will be the world empire of false religion. In Revelation this empire is given the symbolic name Babylon the Great. If people do not leave her they are going to share in her sins and receive part of her plagues. (Revelation 18:4)

[ominoreg]

@kxmode

Thanks for the response. Based on what you've said, I'm certain you don't know the Catholic Church as well as you think. You wouldn't be saying those things otherwise. If you take even the context of just the Mass and really study it, you'll find that the Church herself is "Biblical." It's sad to see you judge the Church harshly without really understanding the Church completely. I wouldn't pass judgement of your faith tradition becasue I don't know it at all. Peace to you.

[kxmode]

@ominoreg I know the history and context of the Mass. The real question to ask is did Jesus instruct his disciples to have not merely a memorial of his death but a rite that would actually renew his sacrifice?

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[kxmode]

The Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The Church intends the Mass to be regarded as a ‘true and proper sacrifice’ . . . The chief source of our doctrine, however, is tradition, which from the earliest times declares the impetratory value of the Sacrifice of the Mass.”—(1913), Vol. X, pp. 6, 17

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[kxmode]

Jesus himself said: “Do this as a memorial of me.” (Luke 22:19; 1 Cor. 11:24, JB) At Luke 22:19, The Holy Bible by Ronald A. Knox (1954; as printed in 1956) and the Catholic Challoner-Douay Version (1750; as printed in 1941) read: “Do this for a commemoration of me.” The New American Bible, Saint Joseph Edition (1970) reads: “Do this as a remembrance of me.”

Jesus did not say that what he did at the Last Supper was a sacrifice of himself or that his disciples were to renew his sacrifice.

[ominoreg]

@kxmode

@kxmode

Yes, the part of the mass that uses the "do this..." words form Luke is called the Anamnesis, which means memorial. The point is, The lord said "Do this...." I'm sorry, it's a bit unfair to substitute true knwoledg eof tradition with googling the Mass and cutting and pasting from New Advent.

[ominoreg]

@kxmode

Look at Luke's Gospel narrative about Cleopas' encounter with the Lord. Also Paul's letter to the Corrinthians on instructions regarding communal worship. I don't know what you mean by renewing his sacrifice - I see myself renewing the lord's sacrifice everytime I sin - as it is because of that sin that He suffered. The Mass is a renewal of the sacrifice Jesus offered at the last Supper when he instituted the mass. Where ihe instructed thme to "do this in memory of me"

[ominoreg]

@kxmode

Look at Luke's Gospel narrative re: Cleopas' encounter with the Lord. Also Paul's letter to the Corrinthians on instructions regarding communal worship. I don't know what you mean by renewing his sacrifice - I see myself renewing the lord's sacrifice everytime I sin - as it is because of that sin that He suffered. The Mass is a renewal of the sacrifice Jesus offered at the last Supper when he instituted the mass. Where ihe instructed thme to "do this in memory of me"

[HetmanWojtek]

@kxmode

Do your homework? Well I have. And it turns out Two Babylons by Alex Hislop is a discredited academic source. Cults like the JW's, SDA's, IFB's etc. only read their own propaganda instead of doing honest research.

The Catholic Church wrote the Bible, decided which books are to be in the Bible in the 4th century, & preserved the Bible through the labors of the pious monks. Catholicism civilized Europe from barbaric paganism and turned swamps & wilderness into fertile agricultural land.

[dsydebot]

@kxmode I think you're trolling. Forgive me if I'm wrong. If I am wrong, I would encourage you to try to phrase your position more accurately. After all, surely you can't think the "original Christian congregation" and the Catholic Church have *no* doctrine in common. E.g., the first Christians believed in a spiritual world; the Catholic Church believes in a spiritual world. If you grant this, then surely you must retract your "nothing".

[kxmode]

@dsydebot It's not my position, it's the position of truth. And yes, they have nothing in common. For example Jesus said that TRUE love would be the identifying mark of his followers. (John 13:34-35) What is true love? It means not killing your brothers. What can be said of so called Christians who go to war with the backing of the church to slaughter their brothers in another country? That's not love. That's hypocrisy. There's another a few dozen more examples but there's not enough room here

[dsydebot]

@kxmode If that isn't your position, than what *is* your position? Clearly, if something is my position, it is so because I think it to be true. At any rate, let me ask you directly:

1. Does the Catholic Church believe in spiritual realities?

2. Did the first Christians believe in spiritual realities?

If you answer "no" to either question, then forgive me, but we must assume that you are being a troll, and saying things just to get a rise out of people.

[AdversusHaereses]

We need a personal prelature for the SSPX. They are too important in the Church today to simply be dismissed. They have done an excellent work in defending the Catholic faith and upholding the Mass of Ages. Please God, bring forth union in Thy Holy and Apostolic Church!

[jr400rl]

same like Opue Dei which is also a personal prelature. Good. Guys, lets pray for them that may they be in communion with the Successor of Peter soon.

[kenokafo]

Deo Gratias et Maria!!

The Vatican and the SSPX did this on the 4th anniversary of Summorum Pontificum being promulgated. Believe me, they knew what they were doing.

Let us pray for the continued restoration of the Holy Roman Catholic Church!

Cannech

[aremcy1]

A most generous offer, for the sake of unity, I pray they accept.

[farmer88]

If they rejoin, they will do a better job of fixing the Church instead of being outside the Church.

[yewtreelodge]

I pray to God that they will accept the offer of The Holy See and become a Personal Prelature.