Sure ATLAS SHRUGGED was a BORING movie and the acting was LAME .... BUT the message it carried is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT !!!
That message is : that this world has only a FEW VERY TALENTED PEOPLE (the elites) ... and we must exempt them from taxes.... otherwise: if they leave us ... our economy will grind to a halt !!!!
Funny how Atlas was holding up the heavens, not the weight of the world. :D But, given that Ayn Rand and co. are just looking for excuses to behave like little babies fighting over toys ("MINE! MINE! MINE!" "HE'S TOUCHING MY LEG! HE WANTS TO TAKE MY TOY I KNOW IT CAUSE I SEE IT ON HIS FACE!!"), I doubt those facts will phase them.
YOU NEED A WAKE UP CALL IF I BRAG ABOUT ANYTHING IT'S TO STICK IT IN YOUR FACE WATCHING THIS BULLSHIT, EVEN GIVING THIS SNUFF FILM A CHANCE BITCH. MAYBE YOU WOULD DO SOMETHING FOR THE POOR, I DON'T KNOW....YOUR FUCKED UP FRIENDS HERE DEFINITELY WOULDN'T OR THEY WOULDN'T FAVOR THIS DISGUSTING HOMICIDAL SHIT--A CELEBRATION OF SELFISHNESS--YOU'RE KNOWN BY THE COMPANY YOU KEEP
Just checked out your page, coolguy; you look like every other fucking loser who worships this bitch. (NERD WITH A HOLE IN HIS SOUL) I'm not kidding. Why don't you all hang out on Wall Street so a fillmmaker can do a sketch while the REAL elite walks by and laughs at you? Shit is hilarious
Yeah--like to see the cunt Dagny talk to the dearly departed Jimmy Hoffa that way--haha.
You know, I knew a Libertarian who lost his house once. I helped him move his shit to the local City Mission, all that, but I have to tell you that I could feel almost nothing for him. And I tried. He'd always called the city on me for leaving out bottles for the homeless when it wasn't garbage night, etc etc. Here he is, losing his house. If that were any of you, I can't say it'd be different.
A real Union guy would intimidate the shit out of that bitch.
Any of you who enjoy Ayn Rand's philosophy deserve no help from society and you don't warrant any. Fucking evil bastards. And all you dorks taking classes in business schools who think you're going to be the next billionaire or Apprentice: when your dreams fall afoul, don't cry on my shoulder. You don't deserve compassion. Rand was a sociopath. Fuck this sick snuff film.
Hey Joe--you'll get into Congress during the next virtual tour!
I love eyeing those who WANT to be Nietzschean/Ayn Randites with a ruthless eye--it always reveals them for who they are. They are not THE really rich, they are the poor amongst the rich. They usually attend communtiy colleges. They are not that talented as businessmen or otherwise. Something, somewhere, has given them the idea they are with the elite. It's dumpy and funny in a way I can't describe.
If you were the strong I'd get mad at you for supporting the work of this sociopathic whore but you're some dipshit on YouTube who probably goes to vocational school
I’m not a YouTube dipshit who goes to vocational school; I’m a YouTube dipshit who graduated from college, works at a call center, and has no desire to become a businessman or member of the elite.
Rand’s personality and her status as a sociopath should have no bearing on the validity of her philosophy.
@JoeKopsick4Congress "Her status as a sociopath should have no bearing on the validity of her philosophy."
Yeah, I think I'll go out check out the memoirs of Richard Ramirez, because I'm double time sure that he had just as much insight as, say, Spinoza. That statement you made just kind of qualified things for me.
@JoeKopsick4Congress No, not "cool". Not cool, Joey, not in the slightest. Rand's philosophy kills millions everyday. "Me and mine", "You and yours'". In short: fuck everyone but me and find some way to make it heroic, in this case dimestore philosophy that make mediocre emo business dorks like yourself feel cool. Oh no, I'm not talking about cerebrality and all that, I'm talking about REAL LIFE. Like--you'd be the guy who'd mock a homeless person outside your cyber cafe! :)
I don't get why you keep saying I'm pretending to be part of the elite or why you think I'm geared towards business (I repeat, I work at a call center for $10/hr).
I'm also not emo, and I don't worship Rand (I've only read "Anthem").
If you want to know more about my views on the homeless, you should check out my video "On Panhandling", in which I dismiss hyper-Randites who actively discourage people from giving to the poor.
If you ever find me mocking a homeless person outside a cyber cafe, it's because I've smoked weed with him enough to know he's a crackhead, or an asshole, or is faking mental illness to con people into sympathizing with him. These people exist, I've met them, but I'm not saying all homeless people do that.
You might want to refrain from making judgments, as I can't recall insulting you or telling you what your life has been like in our conversations yet.
@JoeKopsick4Congress Fuck you. People addicted to crack don't deserve compassion? I've worked with the homeless for years HAC and a few of them are not responsible and are stupid and irresponsible--the other FUCKING 98 PERCENT ARE MENTALLY ILL AND CHEMICALLY ADDICTED.
I'm not saying crackheads aren't mentally ill and chemically addicted. I'm saying that I know some of them who are likely to kick my ass and / or steal from me BECAUSE they are mentally ill and chemically addicted, so I stay away from them because I don't want to get beaten up and robbed.
When you worked with the homeless, was it in a place where there were other people around to make sure they didn't attack and rob you?
You might instead want to ask me about the journey I've taken in politicoeconomic philosophy, or my personal life, or what the Constitution says about our federal welfare programs, or whether I favor such programs as long as they are passed constitutionally and the federal government has demonstrated that it can relieve the poor more efficiently and effectively than the states and the market can
I do not endorse killing in the name of Rand, nor her views on Israel
@JoeKopsick4Congress Actuall you already do endorse her views just by celebrating her even a little bit. That's like a Neo Nazi saying, "Well, I only have ONE swastika tattoo"
Are you pro-choice? Do you want to discourage people from smoking? Do you endorse the Keynesian fiat currency system? Do you dislike industrial pollution?
@JoeKopsick4Congress AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'M LIKE HITLER BECAUSE I DISLIKE INDUSTRIAL POLLUTION? WAS THAT ONE OF HIS PET PEEVE DISLIKES UNDERNEATH ALL HIS MONSTROSITSY--I KNOW ABOUT THE SMOKING--I DO SMOKE--I BELIEVE YOU DESERVE TO BE TAXED BECAUSE YOU BITCH ABOUT IT YET YOU WOULDN'T DO SHIT FOR THE POOR, NOT REALLY, UNLES YOU WERE FORCED TO--AND WHEN I WORKED WITH THE HOMELESS I WAS THE GUY WHO RESTRAINED PEOPLE IN THE VAN--AND THE UNIONS ALWAYS DONATED TO OUR ORGANIZATION
Do you understand sarcasm? I'm saying that most people share at least one policy position with Hitler, and that just because you share one of his positions, doesn't make you Hitler.
I would do MORE for the poor if my money weren't taxed away, devalued through inflation, and funneled through corrupt bureaucracies. Think about it for a damn second
You restrained people in the van!? BLAH BLAH BLAH YOURE ASSUMING ALL HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE VIOLENT BLAH BLAH FUCKING BLAH
You believe I deserve to be taxed, and put in prison if I resist? Oh, I thought we were having a conversation here, apparently you just want to make threats.
How dare you say I wouldn't do shit for the poor unless I was forced to? I have given to the poor of my own volition. The difference between you and I is that I DON'T LIKE TO BRAG ABOUT IT. Where's your fucking humility?
Ayn Rand, you, and I all oppose corporate welfare - a major cause of the recession - so shut the fuck up
@MrMaldoror666 What kills millions--like the poor of China, Russia, and a dozen other dictatorships based on "love of one's neighbor"--is making their poverty permanent and promising them things that they cannot have. South Africa has an article in their constitution that guarantees housing for everyone in South Africa. Guess how many homes that has produced? Zero. New York City has more abandoned buildings than homeless people because the city uses rent control, which caused a housing shortage.
@smiledammit24 WHAT'S AT THE BASE OF ALL THAT IS THE 1 PERCENT OF THIS COUNTRY DRAINING EVERYONE ELSE'S FINANCES, THE RICH FUCKS WHO MAKE THE SYSTEM IN THE FIRST PLACE--THINK YOU'RE OVERLOOKING A GLARING CONTRADICTION IN YOUR ARGUMENT THERE--ALLTHIS RANDIAN BULLSHIT ABOUT "AUTONOMY" IS AN EXCUSE FOR YOU TO JACK THOSE VERY SAME PEOPLE FOR EVERYTHING THEY'VE GOT--BEING AMERICAN--AND WALK OFF RATIONALIZING IT WITH THIS EVIL SHIT
You seem pretty ready to dissect me without knowing me and get into my head. And since you have lived my life and experienced my experiences for the last two-and-a-half decades, I would assume you’re more than perfectly qualified to pass judgment on me.
Bring it on; tell me who I am. I’m dying to know.
Seriously, go ahead. Tell me how many books by Ayn Rand I've read. Tell me what my ethics are, and precisely my political and economic dispositions. Tell me what my level of education is, and what my goals in life are.
While you're at it, explain when I'm being sarcastic, and when I'm not.
Or, better yet, tell me why you're qualified to judge me (despite the fact that I never asked you to) and then explain why I should care.
Hahaha, have you read the book? You actually are quoting almost verbatim what all the antagonists say in it. It's hilarious. You're just proving Rand's point.
Libertarianism is not some kind of utopia and has many flaws (like the failure to account for market inefficiencies resulting from differences in intelligence and personality between human beings and failure to make the distinction between value creation and value transference). But it is better starting point that what we have today, because at least in Libertarianism you have PRINCIPLES, which is more than I can say for LIEbralism and CONservatism as embodied by the DemocRATS and Rethuglicans.
We need to have leaders who are willing to admit they have let us become a socialist country and do something to end it. making socialism cheaper will not solve the problem. making it more "efficient" or "convenient" or "local" will not fix the economy. going back to defending a persons commercial rights as fiercely as our right to life and liberty is the only thing that will fix the economy.
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 The poor are the biggest victims of fascism. They take our jobs away to control labor cost. they knock down our homes to raise real estate prices and provide jobs for bureaucrats in the department of housing and urban renewal . they raise food prices to force us onto welfare. the whole history of the American socialist movement has been a war against the poor.Rich people don't need controlled we do.
@halloranedward Replace "socialism" with "corporatism". What we have in America today isn't capitalism or socialism. It's corporatism, or crony capitalism. And yes, history will always be defined by rich people stealing from the poor. That's why I support Ron Paul and the Occupy Wall Street movement.
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 You are incorrect, "socialism" is government control of prices, what you can buy and sell.how much you can buy and sell, who you can buy from and sell to, and what price you must buy at and sell for. That is the system we currently have in America, when you have a socialist system but are allowed to own property, it is called, "fascism" that is what we have in America today, If you really were a ron paul supporter you could find someone to explain it.
@halloranedward Um, Ron Paul himself said in a podcast that what we have in America today is crony capitalism, not socialism. I am all for less government interference in people's lives, but to completely deregulate Wall Street would be catastrophic. Objectivism is amoral, as is the conservative notion that the poor, the middle class, and the labor unions are all leeches and that the rich are the victims.
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 what on earth does the poor, middle class, and labor unions have to do with socialism? socialism is government control of prices, nothing more. how do the poor benefit from having to pay 5 times as much for milk? 3 times as much for a truck? 4 times as much for a place to live? no one is working against the poor harder that the socialist are.
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 there is no such thing as "corporatism" That is a term made up by the socialist . If you want to make sure corporations can't get too much power end socialism. getting a government monopoly is the only way a corporation can force people to buy from it. capitalism is the only way to protect freedom.
@halloranedward Corporatism is very much real. Here in the United States, we no longer have capitalism, nor do we have socialism. Conservatives just throw around terms like "socialism" and "Communism" when they can't build up a solid argument against something they disagree with. Corporatism is very much real, and it is a system where large corporations have unprecedented political power. Corporations control government.
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 you have it exactly opposite , in America the government controls the corporations, this is the type of socialism that is called "fascism" because we have the right to own property, a socialist state where there is no right to own property is called "communist" look it up if you want to, you also might look up "department of agriculture, market orders" and "gibson guitar" we are a fascist country.that's what bailouts and subsidies are.
@halloranedward Once again, corporations control government. We don't inhabit a country where wealthy business leaders are the victims of an unfair socioeconomic system. The poor and the middle class, who comprise 99% of the population, are the victims of greedy corporate elitists and government officials devoted to controlling every aspect of people's lives. I support the concept of private property, but keep in mind that many people on Wall Street made their profits through fraud.
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9@halloranedward I wouldn't say that either government controls corporations or that corporations control government in the USA. Big Business and Big Government are bedfellows, they work together to steal the property of the average American.
@objectivistathlete I agree. What I'm saying is that large corporations control government, but that both are working together and conspiring against the 99%.
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 - Hey, you are a thinking person. You must be a Democrat like me! I have been saying the same thing ALL ALONG. The Corporate Right is looting, plundering, and enslaving the middle class because they control our government. What we need is to get the money out of politics and elections so that we can have our democracy back. But it probably is too late.
@MortimerTheClueless No, I'm not a Democrat. I'm a progressive-libertarian, a supporter of the Occupy Wall Street movement, a Constitutionalist, and a big Ron Paul fan.
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 - That is an unusual combination of beliefs. If you believe in freedom, equality, human rights, and democracy, then you ought to become a registered Democrat. That is what the Democratic Party is all about.
@MortimerTheClueless Well, I'm against the two-party system. It's time for the abolition of political parties and for people to start voting for politicians using their minds. Still, there are some Democrats I have a great deal of respect for. They include Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel.
@MortimerTheClueless Libertarians don't really believe in equality, and neither does anyone with the most passing familiarity of genetics. The only known method to achieve equality between different human populations today is through eugenics (voluntary or not), and there is no known method to equalize intelligence within a population. Intelligence is distributed unequally, in a bell curve. Libertarians and biorealist conservatives like me believe that a society should reward merit adequately.
@nykos222 - There is a widespread understanding that Libertarians are clueless. See
watch?v=PS6WQ0GcKFo
A libertarian society can't possibly work in reality. It assumes that people can make important decisions about their lives, yet the evidence is overwhelming that people are quite moronic on the whole. Many of them should not be allowed to vote, in fact.
@CaptainCocaine - Are you a Democrat? I would be happy to know that we have your support, but your user name is a bit disturbing. Could you change it to "CaptainDemocracy", or something more along those lines? Oops, did I just say "lines"? That could have other meanings.
@MortimerTheClueless Libertarian registered as a Republican so I can vote for small government, free market candidates in the primaries. The only time I've ever voted for a Democrat was when the Republican candidate was a gang-rapist who only made it politics because he was a "Good Old Boy." So I guess I wasn't really voting FOR the Democrat so much as I was voting AGAINST the rapist.
Long story short, the democratic party does not have my support. The Republican party BARELY has my support.
... the singularly worst movie based on a book as...-John Rogers, on the blog Kung Fu Monkey, as quoted on rec.arts.sf.written by James Nicoll
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
@magicwhiteguys I get the feeling in watching these scenes that all the actors are Randist drones and the actors playing pro union government characters can't take themselves seriously playing their role.
@eirefrance Hong Kong is far more free market capitalist than America. The only reason you bring up Canada is because of their healthcare system. China's rapid growth has correlated with market reforms, this is common knowledge.
And contrary to what most people think, Sweden is much more capitalist than some lefties would have you believe.
@LexPhilogus Yeah, Hong Kong, free enterprise, not like China where the state owns all property. Oh wait, that's right, Hong Kong has ALWAYS, even in its 'free enterprise' Milton Friedman boom days, been a country where the state owned 100% of property. Otherwise known as you got your information from a ideological talking points memo. Learn a little bit about what socialism is; here's a hint, it's not defined as North Korea.
@eirefrance "been a country where the state owned 100% of property. "
Stop your frauding.
They own 100% of the land, but lease it out to private Enterprise. Effectively, It's really not so different than a property tax in the U.S. And property encompasses a lot more than land btw.
@LexPhilogus Alright. That is socialist by definition, you're just stuck on thinking that only the USSR is socialist. If that's your definition of socialist, fine, go ahead an shadowbox your strawman all day. But that's not what people on the left generally mean when they say socialism.
@eirefrance Laissez faire went the way of the dinosaur for good reason. I advocate welfare capitalism myself. But if you're going to define this as socialism, have fun living in your semantic bubble. Capitalism is absolutly necessary in order to have sustainable growth, which is why no one of any economic acumen defends socialism as a comprehensive system.
@LexPhilogus "no one of any economic acumen defends socialism"
I doubt you've done a full survey of trained economists to arrive at that conclusion. Don't you think it's preposterously arrogant, I mean on the level of ludicrous, to think you speak for a profession of specialists who spend years in school and then years in training to gather their knowledge. I mean economists who call themselves socialist have their own annual conference; they must exist.
@eirefrance "I doubt you've done a full survey of trained economists to arrive at that conclusion. Don't you think it's preposterously arrogant,"
Don't take me too literally. Perhaps repute would be a more fitting term than acumen. I can find find Nobel Prize winning scientists that deny global warming. I can find MIT engineers who say that bringing down the WTC with two airplanes is impossible.
@LexPhilogus Johnny Evers, a second baseman from the early 20th century, once said: "A ballplayer has two reputations, one with the other players and one
with the fans. The first is based on ability. The second the newspapers gives him." Be careful of popular 'reputation', after all, the #2 grossing movie of 2011 was the Transformers movie.
@eirefrance Yeah, I agree but I stake reputation on academic peer reviewed research, or at least hard data driven arguments, not so much on what makes the 24 hour news sound byte.
@LexPhilogus Well, again, I doubt you've done a full survey of academic peer reviewed research by or about socialist/socialist sympathizing economists. This is why you can't use universals like "NO ONE of any economic acumen defends socialism."
@LexPhilogus "Capitalism" also has a specific meaning and it's been distorted over the years as well. It's fallacious to assume socialism and capitalism can't coexist. To whit, Sweden, as you mentioned.
@LexPhilogus Well, depending on your definition, they might be. Point is, there are elements of socialism the world over, and in many countries have implemented them in various forms and at various levels. You can't say socialism failed everywhere it's been tried, because it didn't. Hell, even communism didn't fail, necessarily, if you look at from certain perspectives.
@eirefrance "What defines Canada as 'more capitalist' than the US?"
Give or take what you call "elements" of socialism, you can score how captialst (free market) a country is by measureing the degree of government control of a perticular aspect of an economy and give it a statistical score. I find the Wall Street Journal's Index of economic freedom a convenient tool for this.
@LexPhilogus Yet Canada provides single-payer, tax-funded, state-run health insurance to everyone. Thus proving my point; elements of socialism are everywhere and do not always interfere with a capitalist economy. You call it welfare capitalism; I'm not sure what that means, but I'm all for a capitalist economy with a social safety net.
@eirefrance ..Watch the doco "Sick and Sicker" to see the reality of the Canadian healthcare system..its a nightmare where people die waiting for treatment....
@eirefrance - "...The right to try and *fail* must be protected just as rigorously as the right to try and succeed...." John W. Campbell "Hyperdemocracy"
@LexPhilogus Socialism's simplest definition is social ownership of the means of production. That could be a state owned bank, state-owned land that is leased out, state-run factories. Maybe it's the authority to regulate these businesses? Depends on who you ask. Check out the page of the Socialist Party USA. Their platforms list state ownership of insurance companies. They don't call for state ownership of any other industry. And they're ACTUALLY socialists, unlike Obama.
@eirefrance "Check out the page of the Socialist Party USA."
You'd make things a lot easier if you would just say mixed economy. Everyone understands what you mean by that. Socialism is a loaded colloquialism here in U.S. for better or for worse.
@LexPhilogus If I say Christians are evil because they want to murder homosexuals and you, correctly, point out that plenty of Christians, even ones opposed to gay marriage, have never suggested they want to kill gays. And I say, well, I was referring to the Westboro Baptist Church, you would be fair to say I used the word Christian wrongly.
@LexPhilogus See, there are people who say the word 'nigger' no longer has racial meaning and just refers to ignorant people of all races. The word, however, has a meaning and you can't just redefine it the way you want. Socialism has a specific meaning to socialists and people who sympathize with socialism. You have to understand what they're referring to if you're going to criticize.
@smiledammit24 What percentage of them is that? It has to be less than ten. For every "Oprah" you can name who has managed to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, there's another ten of Mitt Romney, George Bush, or some WASP who owes their start-up capital (if not the entirety of their wealth), education, and prestige to the position they were born into. The average black family in the US makes 40k less a year than the average white family. There is certainly a disparity of opportunity.
@nfdgoisn I don't give a fuck if someone is born into a rich family precisely because them being rich doesn't make anyone else poor. The stories of exceptional people in this country (yes, like Oprah) are proof that you make your own opportunity.
People like you would be happier if the poor were poorer so long as the rich were less rich.
@smiledammit24 I read Atlas Shrugged. I thought it was a hoot when Dagny told Hank Rearden that "it was going to cost him" to fuck her. lol With the objectivist, everything is a commodity, every a woman's pussy.
@JayGatsbyOdysseus And you're a racist prick. I love how you death-worshipers do nothing but attack ad hominem. You admit right from the bat that you have no valid arguments, so you appeal to people's prejudices and emotions.
@smiledammit24 Ayn Rand described arabs as "non human savages and animals" right on the Phil Donohue show, buddddy! How is that appealing to any prejudice? After all, it came right out of the mouth of your poor people hating eugenicist scumbag asshole hero Ayn Rand! :)
@MrMaldoror666 In that episode she called them animals and savages because of their behavior and their failure to advance technologically, not their race. Rand judged people by their accomplishments, and Israel had accomplished in just a few years something the Arabs could not do with the same territory in centuries. This was not a reflection on their race, but their backwards culture that treats women like farm animals.
Just for the record, those involved in the "money...evil" debate are misquoting 1 Timothy 6:10. The correct quote is "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil: which some reaching after have been led astray from the faith, and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows" - American Standard Version.
1:06 pretty much sums up the Obama Doctrine on economics. I liked the movie but even part one of the book would take a 20 hour movie to properly tell the story. Too bad this couldn't have been a limited-run series of say 60 one hour episodes.
I love to watch my fellow men evade, deny and hide from reality. I can't explain it. How can anything be more logical then Objectivism? All it asks is for each of us to acknowledge our nature and the nature of the world around us and use that understanding to make rational decisions based on that understanding. Every person can do it, BUT they must do it willingly and no one can do it for them.
LOL ... "IM smart and good and caring and think for myself..so im gonna take other peoples word about this movie rather than watch and make my own decisions" is that about the jist of the haterz on here?
I remember the first time I heard of objectivism. I just thought it was a joke, like a crying justification for the rich to maintain their wealth with no responsibilities to society. All objectivism expounds is freedom for the few, for only those who are productive with the rest slaves.
If the world was truly equal and class, inheritance, circumstance and luck didn't exist, only then could objectivism be in anyway relevant or a viable ideology.
@TheButlerism If one makes his own money , he has no "responsibility" to losers like you trying to pass off as "society".If my daddy worked hard, got a fortune and passed it on to me and yours couldn't, then it's not my problem and I owe you nothing..Learn it the easy way or be ready to meet the fate of your idols like Che Guevara..Soviet Empire is dead, Guevara is dead, rise again and you will be disposed off again socialist leeches!!
@bangalorebully I'm a leech and your a scab, now let us be friends.
You know the worlds fucked up when people actually think like you. And what gives to the impression im actually socialist? I am an individual and if helping means I lose some of your so-called 'freedom' then so be it.
Your father worked hard, but you didn't. Hardwork should be rewarded not luck at being born within a rich family.
@bangalorebully MONEY is the root to ALL EVIL. you are selfish and obviously full of pride. the sad part is that you probably aren't even rich b-cuz u said "if" ur daddy worked hard. the only thing worse than a sellout is a poor person who sticks up for sellouts b-cuz they aspire to be sellouts! the only reason che guevara was killed is because he actually posed a threat to the powers that be. whoever killed him is WEAK b-cuz they couldn't get power w/ him alive!
@Stunr99 1) Really? You're right. I am incompetent. First in my class in high school...33 on the ACT...studying advanced mathematics. My professors think I'm such an idiot that they say I'm the best student they have. I'm a total loser. Not being a Rand fanboy does not make you incompetent. It means you're a grown-up. I read Atlas Shrugged when I was a teenager, and I thought it was amazing. Then I lived in the real world. Ayn Rand was a narcissistic, racist simpleton.
@Stunr99 2) She made her husband go for walks while she slept with her lover. Then when her boyfriend got tired of her old, ugly ass, she denounced him like the bitter, jilted, silly woman that she was. If you're not in love with her, then you must be a fool. She has the same convoluted logic that you have. You two would have been very happy together. I'm sure you'd have loved to hit that. If she lived in the fantasy world she created in her books, John Galt wouldn't give her the time of day.
@americanmuslimgirl This movie was great. Anyone who has actually worked hard and provided a service understands it. Your stance on it alone exposes you.
Can someone tell me how this is bad? It's untested fucking steel; the union guy is right, it's bullshit. People think that Taggerts response is a heroic response? Wow...
@PanamaRed1969 It is amazing the number of people that assume that because the union man said it that it must be true. The metal was tested and found to be good and Dandy bothered to actually check the test results, but the union man listened to propaganda put out by competitors and the government that feared the economic impact of a metal better that steel being on the market.
@PanamaRed1969 if a murderer pleads "not guilty," does that mean he didn't do it? it's the evidence you would agree with, no matter what he says, right? bottom line is, Dagny Taggart made the decision to use the metal based on what she witnessed HERSELF, no matter how many people/competitors SAID otherwise. opinions don't run this civilization, actions do.
People here saying the Union Workers are right believe that the companies building trains and planes have an interest in making them unsafe. They make me laugh...why would they want to destroy their reputation and potentially billions of dollars of funding. Before building anything, i am sure a company does incredible research in what is safe and can fit with what they are trying to do. Government regulations inhibits innovation by increasing costs, telling people they are to stupid to think.
@httm241 First the union members themselves didn't make the demand, everyone that they could reach independently volunteered to run that train. Second the metal itself was already tested and found safe.
What this scene is one union rethreateningng the everexistencece of the company based of ignorance and fear rather than facts and reason.
She probably ran the coal mine where 29 miners died in Virginia too.Not all regulation is bad,not all workers rights are bad. A few yes.If you think the "company"will always do the right thing go back and look at history where corners are cut for profit. So now you say we can decide to not work for a company,but it's kinda hard to decide when you are already dead from a companys negligence.Ask one of the 11 oil rig workers from BP in the gulf.Oh yeah,ya cant.
@desertrat1111 Nuh uh, nuh uh, nuh uh!!! It failed because "liberal" Hollywood killed it, all conspiracy-like and shit. That's what all the libertarians say, so it's gotta be da trues.
@eirefrance Well.. maybe.. I am no fan of liberal Hollywood. But,,My comment had more to do with a commentary on the movie itself. (although frankly I am no fan of Ayn Rand either)
Big fan of the book.....but the actor they chose for Dagny was a terrible choice I think. I'm sure they could have found someone less attractive who was actually able to pull off the bluntness that Dagny's character shows in the book.
PLEASE!! Can anyone please tell me why the torrent for this movie is not available anywhere on the internet?? Libtards may say this is not a good movie, but then, even torrents for "Manos" and "Plan 9 from Outer Space" are available, why then NOT A SINGLE torrent for this movie is unavailable??
@SomeUsefulIdiot It would be years before it's out on DVD in India...Anyways, the book is something too complex to be made into movie properly..Just like "The Da Vinci Code".
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Ayn Rand is a GREAT CONSERVATIVE PHILOSOPHER !!!
Sure ATLAS SHRUGGED was a BORING movie and the acting was LAME .... BUT the message it carried is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT !!!
That message is : that this world has only a FEW VERY TALENTED PEOPLE (the elites) ... and we must exempt them from taxes.... otherwise: if they leave us ... our economy will grind to a halt !!!!
Make the FLAT-TAX a reality now !!!!
MrSuperneocon 1 week ago
A very great failure compared to the great successful novel.
The worst movie in the while American movie industry life.
The greatest ever fault in the Art life of America.
The character of Dagney needs an actress like Joan Crawford to do it,not a second degree failure like that.
You destroyed the heritage Ayn Rand left for you.
jericho33322 1 week ago
Funny how Atlas was holding up the heavens, not the weight of the world. :D But, given that Ayn Rand and co. are just looking for excuses to behave like little babies fighting over toys ("MINE! MINE! MINE!" "HE'S TOUCHING MY LEG! HE WANTS TO TAKE MY TOY I KNOW IT CAUSE I SEE IT ON HIS FACE!!"), I doubt those facts will phase them.
PostgodAfterbirth 1 week ago
Not only is the ideology flawed, so is the horrendous acting
roscoderoode 3 weeks ago
@roscoderoode
Yeah!
outsidemendham 3 weeks ago
Best scene in the whole movie.
tenkins 3 weeks ago
If only union thugs were as cordial as Mr. Brady...
Jordoom777 3 weeks ago
@Jordoom777 OH--THEY AREN'T--BE AFRAID
MrMaldoror666 3 weeks ago
Oversimplified union bashing for the benefit of people highly ignorant about unions. Predictable feel-good shit.
fyadcorp 3 weeks ago
YOU NEED A WAKE UP CALL IF I BRAG ABOUT ANYTHING IT'S TO STICK IT IN YOUR FACE WATCHING THIS BULLSHIT, EVEN GIVING THIS SNUFF FILM A CHANCE BITCH. MAYBE YOU WOULD DO SOMETHING FOR THE POOR, I DON'T KNOW....YOUR FUCKED UP FRIENDS HERE DEFINITELY WOULDN'T OR THEY WOULDN'T FAVOR THIS DISGUSTING HOMICIDAL SHIT--A CELEBRATION OF SELFISHNESS--YOU'RE KNOWN BY THE COMPANY YOU KEEP
MrMaldoror666 4 weeks ago
@MrMaldoror666 CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL.
smiledammit24 3 weeks ago
Just checked out your page, coolguy; you look like every other fucking loser who worships this bitch. (NERD WITH A HOLE IN HIS SOUL) I'm not kidding. Why don't you all hang out on Wall Street so a fillmmaker can do a sketch while the REAL elite walks by and laughs at you? Shit is hilarious
MrMaldoror666 1 month ago
I heard the black guy in this scene worked with Herman Cain
MrMaldoror666 1 month ago
Yeah--like to see the cunt Dagny talk to the dearly departed Jimmy Hoffa that way--haha.
You know, I knew a Libertarian who lost his house once. I helped him move his shit to the local City Mission, all that, but I have to tell you that I could feel almost nothing for him. And I tried. He'd always called the city on me for leaving out bottles for the homeless when it wasn't garbage night, etc etc. Here he is, losing his house. If that were any of you, I can't say it'd be different.
MrMaldoror666 1 month ago
A real Union guy would intimidate the shit out of that bitch.
Any of you who enjoy Ayn Rand's philosophy deserve no help from society and you don't warrant any. Fucking evil bastards. And all you dorks taking classes in business schools who think you're going to be the next billionaire or Apprentice: when your dreams fall afoul, don't cry on my shoulder. You don't deserve compassion. Rand was a sociopath. Fuck this sick snuff film.
And fuck you.
MrMaldoror666 1 month ago
@MrMaldoror666 lol u mad
smiledammit24 1 month ago
@MrMaldoror666
Intimidation is good. Fuck the meek. The strong shall inherit the earth.
Loud and clear, good sir. ;)
JoeKopsick4Congress 1 month ago
@JoeKopsick4Congress
Hey Joe--you'll get into Congress during the next virtual tour!
I love eyeing those who WANT to be Nietzschean/Ayn Randites with a ruthless eye--it always reveals them for who they are. They are not THE really rich, they are the poor amongst the rich. They usually attend communtiy colleges. They are not that talented as businessmen or otherwise. Something, somewhere, has given them the idea they are with the elite. It's dumpy and funny in a way I can't describe.
MrMaldoror666 1 month ago
@JoeKopsick4Congress
If you were the strong I'd get mad at you for supporting the work of this sociopathic whore but you're some dipshit on YouTube who probably goes to vocational school
MrMaldoror666 1 month ago
@MrMaldoror666
I’m not a YouTube dipshit who goes to vocational school; I’m a YouTube dipshit who graduated from college, works at a call center, and has no desire to become a businessman or member of the elite.
Rand’s personality and her status as a sociopath should have no bearing on the validity of her philosophy.
JoeKopsick4Congress 1 month ago
@JoeKopsick4Congress "Her status as a sociopath should have no bearing on the validity of her philosophy."
Yeah, I think I'll go out check out the memoirs of Richard Ramirez, because I'm double time sure that he had just as much insight as, say, Spinoza. That statement you made just kind of qualified things for me.
MrMaldoror666 1 month ago
@MrMaldoror666
How many people did Ayn Rand kill? Zero? OK, cool.
How many people have been killed in the name of Rand and Spinoza? Debatable.
Did the Unabomber have an interesting social philosophy? Yes.
Are your views on unions shared by dictators who killed millions? Yes.
Are MY views on unions shared by dictators who killed millions? To some extent.
Care to comment on any of the things I said about you not knowing jack shit about me? Not yet...
JoeKopsick4Congress 1 month ago
@JoeKopsick4Congress No, not "cool". Not cool, Joey, not in the slightest. Rand's philosophy kills millions everyday. "Me and mine", "You and yours'". In short: fuck everyone but me and find some way to make it heroic, in this case dimestore philosophy that make mediocre emo business dorks like yourself feel cool. Oh no, I'm not talking about cerebrality and all that, I'm talking about REAL LIFE. Like--you'd be the guy who'd mock a homeless person outside your cyber cafe! :)
MrMaldoror666 1 month ago
@MrMaldoror666
I don't get why you keep saying I'm pretending to be part of the elite or why you think I'm geared towards business (I repeat, I work at a call center for $10/hr).
I'm also not emo, and I don't worship Rand (I've only read "Anthem").
If you want to know more about my views on the homeless, you should check out my video "On Panhandling", in which I dismiss hyper-Randites who actively discourage people from giving to the poor.
JoeKopsick4Congress 1 month ago
@MrMaldoror666
If you ever find me mocking a homeless person outside a cyber cafe, it's because I've smoked weed with him enough to know he's a crackhead, or an asshole, or is faking mental illness to con people into sympathizing with him. These people exist, I've met them, but I'm not saying all homeless people do that.
You might want to refrain from making judgments, as I can't recall insulting you or telling you what your life has been like in our conversations yet.
JoeKopsick4Congress 1 month ago
@JoeKopsick4Congress Fuck you. People addicted to crack don't deserve compassion? I've worked with the homeless for years HAC and a few of them are not responsible and are stupid and irresponsible--the other FUCKING 98 PERCENT ARE MENTALLY ILL AND CHEMICALLY ADDICTED.
MrMaldoror666 1 month ago
@MrMaldoror666
I'm not saying crackheads aren't mentally ill and chemically addicted. I'm saying that I know some of them who are likely to kick my ass and / or steal from me BECAUSE they are mentally ill and chemically addicted, so I stay away from them because I don't want to get beaten up and robbed.
When you worked with the homeless, was it in a place where there were other people around to make sure they didn't attack and rob you?
JoeKopsick4Congress 4 weeks ago
@MrMaldoror666
You might instead want to ask me about the journey I've taken in politicoeconomic philosophy, or my personal life, or what the Constitution says about our federal welfare programs, or whether I favor such programs as long as they are passed constitutionally and the federal government has demonstrated that it can relieve the poor more efficiently and effectively than the states and the market can
I do not endorse killing in the name of Rand, nor her views on Israel
JoeKopsick4Congress 1 month ago
@JoeKopsick4Congress Actuall you already do endorse her views just by celebrating her even a little bit. That's like a Neo Nazi saying, "Well, I only have ONE swastika tattoo"
MrMaldoror666 1 month ago
@MrMaldoror666
Are you pro-choice? Do you want to discourage people from smoking? Do you endorse the Keynesian fiat currency system? Do you dislike industrial pollution?
Well guess what, you're celebrating Hitler.
JoeKopsick4Congress 4 weeks ago
@JoeKopsick4Congress AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'M LIKE HITLER BECAUSE I DISLIKE INDUSTRIAL POLLUTION? WAS THAT ONE OF HIS PET PEEVE DISLIKES UNDERNEATH ALL HIS MONSTROSITSY--I KNOW ABOUT THE SMOKING--I DO SMOKE--I BELIEVE YOU DESERVE TO BE TAXED BECAUSE YOU BITCH ABOUT IT YET YOU WOULDN'T DO SHIT FOR THE POOR, NOT REALLY, UNLES YOU WERE FORCED TO--AND WHEN I WORKED WITH THE HOMELESS I WAS THE GUY WHO RESTRAINED PEOPLE IN THE VAN--AND THE UNIONS ALWAYS DONATED TO OUR ORGANIZATION
MrMaldoror666 4 weeks ago
@MrMaldoror666
Do you understand sarcasm? I'm saying that most people share at least one policy position with Hitler, and that just because you share one of his positions, doesn't make you Hitler.
I would do MORE for the poor if my money weren't taxed away, devalued through inflation, and funneled through corrupt bureaucracies. Think about it for a damn second
You restrained people in the van!? BLAH BLAH BLAH YOURE ASSUMING ALL HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE VIOLENT BLAH BLAH FUCKING BLAH
JoeKopsick4Congress 4 weeks ago
You believe I deserve to be taxed, and put in prison if I resist? Oh, I thought we were having a conversation here, apparently you just want to make threats.
How dare you say I wouldn't do shit for the poor unless I was forced to? I have given to the poor of my own volition. The difference between you and I is that I DON'T LIKE TO BRAG ABOUT IT. Where's your fucking humility?
Ayn Rand, you, and I all oppose corporate welfare - a major cause of the recession - so shut the fuck up
JoeKopsick4Congress 4 weeks ago
@MrMaldoror666 What kills millions--like the poor of China, Russia, and a dozen other dictatorships based on "love of one's neighbor"--is making their poverty permanent and promising them things that they cannot have. South Africa has an article in their constitution that guarantees housing for everyone in South Africa. Guess how many homes that has produced? Zero. New York City has more abandoned buildings than homeless people because the city uses rent control, which caused a housing shortage.
smiledammit24 4 weeks ago
@smiledammit24 WHAT'S AT THE BASE OF ALL THAT IS THE 1 PERCENT OF THIS COUNTRY DRAINING EVERYONE ELSE'S FINANCES, THE RICH FUCKS WHO MAKE THE SYSTEM IN THE FIRST PLACE--THINK YOU'RE OVERLOOKING A GLARING CONTRADICTION IN YOUR ARGUMENT THERE--ALLTHIS RANDIAN BULLSHIT ABOUT "AUTONOMY" IS AN EXCUSE FOR YOU TO JACK THOSE VERY SAME PEOPLE FOR EVERYTHING THEY'VE GOT--BEING AMERICAN--AND WALK OFF RATIONALIZING IT WITH THIS EVIL SHIT
MrMaldoror666 4 weeks ago
@MrMaldoror666
You seem pretty ready to dissect me without knowing me and get into my head. And since you have lived my life and experienced my experiences for the last two-and-a-half decades, I would assume you’re more than perfectly qualified to pass judgment on me.
Bring it on; tell me who I am. I’m dying to know.
JoeKopsick4Congress 1 month ago
@MrMaldoror666
Seriously, go ahead. Tell me how many books by Ayn Rand I've read. Tell me what my ethics are, and precisely my political and economic dispositions. Tell me what my level of education is, and what my goals in life are.
While you're at it, explain when I'm being sarcastic, and when I'm not.
Or, better yet, tell me why you're qualified to judge me (despite the fact that I never asked you to) and then explain why I should care.
Then, come over here and make me care
JoeKopsick4Congress 1 month ago
@MrMaldoror666
Hahaha, have you read the book? You actually are quoting almost verbatim what all the antagonists say in it. It's hilarious. You're just proving Rand's point.
jarvy251 1 month ago
Libertarianism is not some kind of utopia and has many flaws (like the failure to account for market inefficiencies resulting from differences in intelligence and personality between human beings and failure to make the distinction between value creation and value transference). But it is better starting point that what we have today, because at least in Libertarianism you have PRINCIPLES, which is more than I can say for LIEbralism and CONservatism as embodied by the DemocRATS and Rethuglicans.
nykos222 1 month ago
We need to have leaders who are willing to admit they have let us become a socialist country and do something to end it. making socialism cheaper will not solve the problem. making it more "efficient" or "convenient" or "local" will not fix the economy. going back to defending a persons commercial rights as fiercely as our right to life and liberty is the only thing that will fix the economy.
halloranedward 1 month ago
I just love listening to rich people pretending that they're the victims.
CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 1 month ago
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 The poor are the biggest victims of fascism. They take our jobs away to control labor cost. they knock down our homes to raise real estate prices and provide jobs for bureaucrats in the department of housing and urban renewal . they raise food prices to force us onto welfare. the whole history of the American socialist movement has been a war against the poor.Rich people don't need controlled we do.
halloranedward 1 month ago
@halloranedward Replace "socialism" with "corporatism". What we have in America today isn't capitalism or socialism. It's corporatism, or crony capitalism. And yes, history will always be defined by rich people stealing from the poor. That's why I support Ron Paul and the Occupy Wall Street movement.
CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 1 month ago
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 You are incorrect, "socialism" is government control of prices, what you can buy and sell.how much you can buy and sell, who you can buy from and sell to, and what price you must buy at and sell for. That is the system we currently have in America, when you have a socialist system but are allowed to own property, it is called, "fascism" that is what we have in America today, If you really were a ron paul supporter you could find someone to explain it.
halloranedward 1 month ago
@halloranedward Um, Ron Paul himself said in a podcast that what we have in America today is crony capitalism, not socialism. I am all for less government interference in people's lives, but to completely deregulate Wall Street would be catastrophic. Objectivism is amoral, as is the conservative notion that the poor, the middle class, and the labor unions are all leeches and that the rich are the victims.
CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 1 month ago
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 what on earth does the poor, middle class, and labor unions have to do with socialism? socialism is government control of prices, nothing more. how do the poor benefit from having to pay 5 times as much for milk? 3 times as much for a truck? 4 times as much for a place to live? no one is working against the poor harder that the socialist are.
halloranedward 1 month ago
@halloranedward All I'm saying is that neither corporatism or socialism work. Both exploit the poor and the middle classes.
CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 1 month ago
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 there is no such thing as "corporatism" That is a term made up by the socialist . If you want to make sure corporations can't get too much power end socialism. getting a government monopoly is the only way a corporation can force people to buy from it. capitalism is the only way to protect freedom.
halloranedward 1 month ago
@halloranedward Corporatism is very much real. Here in the United States, we no longer have capitalism, nor do we have socialism. Conservatives just throw around terms like "socialism" and "Communism" when they can't build up a solid argument against something they disagree with. Corporatism is very much real, and it is a system where large corporations have unprecedented political power. Corporations control government.
CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 1 month ago
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 you have it exactly opposite , in America the government controls the corporations, this is the type of socialism that is called "fascism" because we have the right to own property, a socialist state where there is no right to own property is called "communist" look it up if you want to, you also might look up "department of agriculture, market orders" and "gibson guitar" we are a fascist country.that's what bailouts and subsidies are.
halloranedward 1 month ago
@halloranedward Once again, corporations control government. We don't inhabit a country where wealthy business leaders are the victims of an unfair socioeconomic system. The poor and the middle class, who comprise 99% of the population, are the victims of greedy corporate elitists and government officials devoted to controlling every aspect of people's lives. I support the concept of private property, but keep in mind that many people on Wall Street made their profits through fraud.
CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 1 month ago
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 @halloranedward I wouldn't say that either government controls corporations or that corporations control government in the USA. Big Business and Big Government are bedfellows, they work together to steal the property of the average American.
objectivistathlete 1 month ago
@objectivistathlete I agree. What I'm saying is that large corporations control government, but that both are working together and conspiring against the 99%.
CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 1 month ago
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 - Hey, you are a thinking person. You must be a Democrat like me! I have been saying the same thing ALL ALONG. The Corporate Right is looting, plundering, and enslaving the middle class because they control our government. What we need is to get the money out of politics and elections so that we can have our democracy back. But it probably is too late.
MortimerTheClueless 1 month ago
@MortimerTheClueless No, I'm not a Democrat. I'm a progressive-libertarian, a supporter of the Occupy Wall Street movement, a Constitutionalist, and a big Ron Paul fan.
CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 1 month ago
@CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 - That is an unusual combination of beliefs. If you believe in freedom, equality, human rights, and democracy, then you ought to become a registered Democrat. That is what the Democratic Party is all about.
MortimerTheClueless 1 month ago
@MortimerTheClueless Democrats are all to often about running other peoples lives for them by regulation. Much like Republicans.
calronmoonflower 1 month ago
@MortimerTheClueless Well, I'm against the two-party system. It's time for the abolition of political parties and for people to start voting for politicians using their minds. Still, there are some Democrats I have a great deal of respect for. They include Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel.
CuriousGeorgeMonkey9 1 month ago
@MortimerTheClueless Libertarians don't really believe in equality, and neither does anyone with the most passing familiarity of genetics. The only known method to achieve equality between different human populations today is through eugenics (voluntary or not), and there is no known method to equalize intelligence within a population. Intelligence is distributed unequally, in a bell curve. Libertarians and biorealist conservatives like me believe that a society should reward merit adequately.
nykos222 1 month ago
@nykos222 - There is a widespread understanding that Libertarians are clueless. See
watch?v=PS6WQ0GcKFo
A libertarian society can't possibly work in reality. It assumes that people can make important decisions about their lives, yet the evidence is overwhelming that people are quite moronic on the whole. Many of them should not be allowed to vote, in fact.
MortimerTheClueless 1 month ago
@MortimerTheClueless Except for the freedom and human rights part :P
CaptainCocaine 1 month ago
@CaptainCocaine - Are you a Democrat? I would be happy to know that we have your support, but your user name is a bit disturbing. Could you change it to "CaptainDemocracy", or something more along those lines? Oops, did I just say "lines"? That could have other meanings.
MortimerTheClueless 1 month ago
@MortimerTheClueless Libertarian registered as a Republican so I can vote for small government, free market candidates in the primaries. The only time I've ever voted for a Democrat was when the Republican candidate was a gang-rapist who only made it politics because he was a "Good Old Boy." So I guess I wasn't really voting FOR the Democrat so much as I was voting AGAINST the rapist.
Long story short, the democratic party does not have my support. The Republican party BARELY has my support.
CaptainCocaine 1 month ago
Dagny for President
calebZAFT 1 month ago 6
@calebZAFT capitalist chicks are so hot!
halloranedward 1 month ago
@calebZAFT Agree.
FighterForLiberty 1 month ago
The world will be a changed place if few more people said "even if I have to drive the train myself"
TheMaverickanupam 1 month ago
This is practically identical to the book.
TheNationalAnthemGuy 1 month ago
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... the singularly worst movie based on a book as...-John Rogers, on the blog Kung Fu Monkey, as quoted on rec.arts.sf.written by James Nicoll
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
kdyson1 1 month ago
LOVE this scene! Dagny Taggart rocks!
LOVESHOTLOVESHOT 2 months ago
ROFL! Oh Dagny, you tell him!
atlasstargazer 2 months ago
That was a horrible clip....And they expect other people to want to see the movie because of this clip?
magicwhiteguys 2 months ago
@magicwhiteguys I get the feeling in watching these scenes that all the actors are Randist drones and the actors playing pro union government characters can't take themselves seriously playing their role.
LexPhilogus 2 months ago
"Don't forget that most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of being poor."
nfdgoisn 2 months ago
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited class but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
nfdgoisn 2 months ago 12
@nfdgoisn Or maybe just because it's failed everywhere it's been tried.
LexPhilogus 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus Seriously? Sweden and Canada 'failed'? And Hong Kong, too? And China? Jeez, where have I been?
eirefrance 2 months ago
@eirefrance Hong Kong is far more free market capitalist than America. The only reason you bring up Canada is because of their healthcare system. China's rapid growth has correlated with market reforms, this is common knowledge.
And contrary to what most people think, Sweden is much more capitalist than some lefties would have you believe.
LexPhilogus 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus Yeah, Hong Kong, free enterprise, not like China where the state owns all property. Oh wait, that's right, Hong Kong has ALWAYS, even in its 'free enterprise' Milton Friedman boom days, been a country where the state owned 100% of property. Otherwise known as you got your information from a ideological talking points memo. Learn a little bit about what socialism is; here's a hint, it's not defined as North Korea.
eirefrance 2 months ago
@eirefrance "been a country where the state owned 100% of property. "
Stop your frauding.
They own 100% of the land, but lease it out to private Enterprise. Effectively, It's really not so different than a property tax in the U.S. And property encompasses a lot more than land btw.
LexPhilogus 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus Alright. That is socialist by definition, you're just stuck on thinking that only the USSR is socialist. If that's your definition of socialist, fine, go ahead an shadowbox your strawman all day. But that's not what people on the left generally mean when they say socialism.
eirefrance 2 months ago
@eirefrance Laissez faire went the way of the dinosaur for good reason. I advocate welfare capitalism myself. But if you're going to define this as socialism, have fun living in your semantic bubble. Capitalism is absolutly necessary in order to have sustainable growth, which is why no one of any economic acumen defends socialism as a comprehensive system.
LexPhilogus 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus "no one of any economic acumen defends socialism"
I doubt you've done a full survey of trained economists to arrive at that conclusion. Don't you think it's preposterously arrogant, I mean on the level of ludicrous, to think you speak for a profession of specialists who spend years in school and then years in training to gather their knowledge. I mean economists who call themselves socialist have their own annual conference; they must exist.
eirefrance 2 months ago
@eirefrance "I doubt you've done a full survey of trained economists to arrive at that conclusion. Don't you think it's preposterously arrogant,"
Don't take me too literally. Perhaps repute would be a more fitting term than acumen. I can find find Nobel Prize winning scientists that deny global warming. I can find MIT engineers who say that bringing down the WTC with two airplanes is impossible.
LexPhilogus 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus Johnny Evers, a second baseman from the early 20th century, once said: "A ballplayer has two reputations, one with the other players and one
with the fans. The first is based on ability. The second the newspapers gives him." Be careful of popular 'reputation', after all, the #2 grossing movie of 2011 was the Transformers movie.
eirefrance 2 months ago
@eirefrance Yeah, I agree but I stake reputation on academic peer reviewed research, or at least hard data driven arguments, not so much on what makes the 24 hour news sound byte.
LexPhilogus 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus Well, again, I doubt you've done a full survey of academic peer reviewed research by or about socialist/socialist sympathizing economists. This is why you can't use universals like "NO ONE of any economic acumen defends socialism."
eirefrance 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus "Capitalism" also has a specific meaning and it's been distorted over the years as well. It's fallacious to assume socialism and capitalism can't coexist. To whit, Sweden, as you mentioned.
eirefrance 2 months ago
@eirefrance Or even the United States since you put it that way.
LexPhilogus 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus I'd just as soon get rid of socialism for the rich/pure capitalism for the poor, which is what the US system is rapidly becoming.
eirefrance 2 months ago
@eirefrance ..They can't exist without conflict and eventually collapse. Trying to have freedom and slavery in the same society is unsustainable.
Riellysdad 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus "The only reason you bring up Canada is because of their healthcare system."
Uh, did you not get the part where that is actually what socialism is? Where did you get your definition of socialism?
eirefrance 2 months ago
@eirefrance Okay, you win. Every Nation in the world is a socialist country.
*rolls eyes*
LexPhilogus 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus Well, depending on your definition, they might be. Point is, there are elements of socialism the world over, and in many countries have implemented them in various forms and at various levels. You can't say socialism failed everywhere it's been tried, because it didn't. Hell, even communism didn't fail, necessarily, if you look at from certain perspectives.
eirefrance 2 months ago
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@eirefrance "Uh, did you not get the part where that is actually what socialism is? "
Germany is not a socialist country and Sweden is more capitalist than Germany.
The United States is not socialist and Canada is more capitalist than the United States. Thanks for playing.
LexPhilogus 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus What defines Canada as 'more capitalist' than the US?
eirefrance 2 months ago
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@eirefrance "What defines Canada as 'more capitalist' than the US?"
Give or take what you call "elements" of socialism, you can score how captialst (free market) a country is by measureing the degree of government control of a perticular aspect of an economy and give it a statistical score. I find the Wall Street Journal's Index of economic freedom a convenient tool for this.
LexPhilogus 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus Yet Canada provides single-payer, tax-funded, state-run health insurance to everyone. Thus proving my point; elements of socialism are everywhere and do not always interfere with a capitalist economy. You call it welfare capitalism; I'm not sure what that means, but I'm all for a capitalist economy with a social safety net.
eirefrance 2 months ago
@eirefrance ..Watch the doco "Sick and Sicker" to see the reality of the Canadian healthcare system..its a nightmare where people die waiting for treatment....
Riellysdad 2 months ago
@eirefrance - "...The right to try and *fail* must be protected just as rigorously as the right to try and succeed...." John W. Campbell "Hyperdemocracy"
Hiraghm 1 month ago
@eirefrance "Where did you get your definition of socialism?"
Socialism comes down to central economic planning basically.
United Socialist Soviet Republic.
LexPhilogus 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus Socialism's simplest definition is social ownership of the means of production. That could be a state owned bank, state-owned land that is leased out, state-run factories. Maybe it's the authority to regulate these businesses? Depends on who you ask. Check out the page of the Socialist Party USA. Their platforms list state ownership of insurance companies. They don't call for state ownership of any other industry. And they're ACTUALLY socialists, unlike Obama.
eirefrance 2 months ago
@eirefrance "Check out the page of the Socialist Party USA."
You'd make things a lot easier if you would just say mixed economy. Everyone understands what you mean by that. Socialism is a loaded colloquialism here in U.S. for better or for worse.
LexPhilogus 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus If I say Christians are evil because they want to murder homosexuals and you, correctly, point out that plenty of Christians, even ones opposed to gay marriage, have never suggested they want to kill gays. And I say, well, I was referring to the Westboro Baptist Church, you would be fair to say I used the word Christian wrongly.
eirefrance 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus See, there are people who say the word 'nigger' no longer has racial meaning and just refers to ignorant people of all races. The word, however, has a meaning and you can't just redefine it the way you want. Socialism has a specific meaning to socialists and people who sympathize with socialism. You have to understand what they're referring to if you're going to criticize.
eirefrance 2 months ago
@LexPhilogus
Actually, the USSR stood for:
Union of Socialist Soviet Republics
CptN3m007 2 months ago
@CptN3m007 Thanks for pointing that out to me. I am now a changed man
LexPhilogus 2 months ago
@nfdgoisn Largely in part because many of our millionaires were once themselves poor.
smiledammit24 1 month ago
@smiledammit24 What percentage of them is that? It has to be less than ten. For every "Oprah" you can name who has managed to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, there's another ten of Mitt Romney, George Bush, or some WASP who owes their start-up capital (if not the entirety of their wealth), education, and prestige to the position they were born into. The average black family in the US makes 40k less a year than the average white family. There is certainly a disparity of opportunity.
nfdgoisn 1 month ago
@nfdgoisn I don't give a fuck if someone is born into a rich family precisely because them being rich doesn't make anyone else poor. The stories of exceptional people in this country (yes, like Oprah) are proof that you make your own opportunity.
People like you would be happier if the poor were poorer so long as the rich were less rich.
smiledammit24 1 month ago 6
@smiledammit24 Excellent quote of Margaret Thatcher. I loved that woman!
DarthKeller 1 month ago
@DarthKeller YOU'RE FIRED
MrMaldoror666 1 month ago
@smiledammit24 I read Atlas Shrugged. I thought it was a hoot when Dagny told Hank Rearden that "it was going to cost him" to fuck her. lol With the objectivist, everything is a commodity, every a woman's pussy.
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 weeks ago
@JayGatsbyOdysseus ...well why the fuck not? o_O
smiledammit24 2 weeks ago
@smiledammit24 Ayn Rand was a Jewish Nazi.
JayGatsbyOdysseus 2 weeks ago
@JayGatsbyOdysseus And you're a racist prick. I love how you death-worshipers do nothing but attack ad hominem. You admit right from the bat that you have no valid arguments, so you appeal to people's prejudices and emotions.
smiledammit24 2 weeks ago
@smiledammit24 Ayn Rand described arabs as "non human savages and animals" right on the Phil Donohue show, buddddy! How is that appealing to any prejudice? After all, it came right out of the mouth of your poor people hating eugenicist scumbag asshole hero Ayn Rand! :)
MrMaldoror666 2 weeks ago
@MrMaldoror666 In that episode she called them animals and savages because of their behavior and their failure to advance technologically, not their race. Rand judged people by their accomplishments, and Israel had accomplished in just a few years something the Arabs could not do with the same territory in centuries. This was not a reflection on their race, but their backwards culture that treats women like farm animals.
smiledammit24 2 weeks ago
Just for the record, those involved in the "money...evil" debate are misquoting 1 Timothy 6:10. The correct quote is "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil: which some reaching after have been led astray from the faith, and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows" - American Standard Version.
Got that? "Love of money"; not "money."
vkbenson 2 months ago
@vkbenson "American Standard Version" Really...ಠ_ಠ
nfdgoisn 1 month ago
1:06 pretty much sums up the Obama Doctrine on economics. I liked the movie but even part one of the book would take a 20 hour movie to properly tell the story. Too bad this couldn't have been a limited-run series of say 60 one hour episodes.
Srd1126 2 months ago
LOVVVVED IT!
noelschwenk 2 months ago
I would have liked to have seen the follow up scene of all the volunteers showing up at the Taggart building.
mrrobotica 2 months ago
I love to watch my fellow men evade, deny and hide from reality. I can't explain it. How can anything be more logical then Objectivism? All it asks is for each of us to acknowledge our nature and the nature of the world around us and use that understanding to make rational decisions based on that understanding. Every person can do it, BUT they must do it willingly and no one can do it for them.
SmokemNow 2 months ago
LOL ... "IM smart and good and caring and think for myself..so im gonna take other peoples word about this movie rather than watch and make my own decisions" is that about the jist of the haterz on here?
seeqr9 2 months ago
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TheButlerism 3 months ago
I remember the first time I heard of objectivism. I just thought it was a joke, like a crying justification for the rich to maintain their wealth with no responsibilities to society. All objectivism expounds is freedom for the few, for only those who are productive with the rest slaves.
If the world was truly equal and class, inheritance, circumstance and luck didn't exist, only then could objectivism be in anyway relevant or a viable ideology.
TheButlerism 3 months ago
@TheButlerism If one makes his own money , he has no "responsibility" to losers like you trying to pass off as "society".If my daddy worked hard, got a fortune and passed it on to me and yours couldn't, then it's not my problem and I owe you nothing..Learn it the easy way or be ready to meet the fate of your idols like Che Guevara..Soviet Empire is dead, Guevara is dead, rise again and you will be disposed off again socialist leeches!!
bangalorebully 3 months ago
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@bangalorebully I'm a leech and your a scab, now let us be friends.
You know the worlds fucked up when people actually think like you. And what gives to the impression im actually socialist? I am an individual and if helping means I lose some of your so-called 'freedom' then so be it.
Your father worked hard, but you didn't. Hardwork should be rewarded not luck at being born within a rich family.
TheButlerism 3 months ago
@bangalorebully MONEY is the root to ALL EVIL. you are selfish and obviously full of pride. the sad part is that you probably aren't even rich b-cuz u said "if" ur daddy worked hard. the only thing worse than a sellout is a poor person who sticks up for sellouts b-cuz they aspire to be sellouts! the only reason che guevara was killed is because he actually posed a threat to the powers that be. whoever killed him is WEAK b-cuz they couldn't get power w/ him alive!
amandabakerhatesnwo 2 months ago
@amandabakerhatesnwo If money is the root of all evil, then what is the root of money? :)
Odinshi 2 months ago
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This movie is a masterpiece, and is made for the hardworkers of the world.
Stunr99 3 months ago
Eddie Willers is black??
redshark618 3 months ago
I am John Galt- just check my channel.
brazenhubris 3 months ago
Wow. I thought the book itself was stupid, but I failed to recognize the heights of stupidity it could reach in movie form.
americanmuslimgirl 3 months ago
@americanmuslimgirl Incompetence screams from you.
Stunr99 3 months ago
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@Stunr99 1) Really? You're right. I am incompetent. First in my class in high school...33 on the ACT...studying advanced mathematics. My professors think I'm such an idiot that they say I'm the best student they have. I'm a total loser. Not being a Rand fanboy does not make you incompetent. It means you're a grown-up. I read Atlas Shrugged when I was a teenager, and I thought it was amazing. Then I lived in the real world. Ayn Rand was a narcissistic, racist simpleton.
americanmuslimgirl 3 months ago
@Stunr99 2) She made her husband go for walks while she slept with her lover. Then when her boyfriend got tired of her old, ugly ass, she denounced him like the bitter, jilted, silly woman that she was. If you're not in love with her, then you must be a fool. She has the same convoluted logic that you have. You two would have been very happy together. I'm sure you'd have loved to hit that. If she lived in the fantasy world she created in her books, John Galt wouldn't give her the time of day.
americanmuslimgirl 3 months ago
@Stunr99 still useless.
Stunr99 3 months ago
@americanmuslimgirl This movie was great. Anyone who has actually worked hard and provided a service understands it. Your stance on it alone exposes you.
Stunr99 3 months ago
@Stunr99
I work hard and from what I understand this movie is a stupid piece of shit that I'd never spend my hard earned money on.
That's my stance. My stance is that this movie is a stupid piece of shit.
leeharveyosmosis 3 months ago
@calronmoonflower That is not in the context of the video.
PanamaRed1969 3 months ago
Can someone tell me how this is bad? It's untested fucking steel; the union guy is right, it's bullshit. People think that Taggerts response is a heroic response? Wow...
PanamaRed1969 4 months ago
@PanamaRed1969 It is amazing the number of people that assume that because the union man said it that it must be true. The metal was tested and found to be good and Dandy bothered to actually check the test results, but the union man listened to propaganda put out by competitors and the government that feared the economic impact of a metal better that steel being on the market.
calronmoonflower 3 months ago
@PanamaRed1969 if a murderer pleads "not guilty," does that mean he didn't do it? it's the evidence you would agree with, no matter what he says, right? bottom line is, Dagny Taggart made the decision to use the metal based on what she witnessed HERSELF, no matter how many people/competitors SAID otherwise. opinions don't run this civilization, actions do.
asleepMS2 3 months ago
@PanamaRed1969 I have ocean front property in Arizona. 50 bucks an acre. Would you like to buy it?
Stunr99 3 months ago
the acting looks bad. Atlas Shrugged is a classic. I hope they do it well
scw0611 4 months ago
People here saying the Union Workers are right believe that the companies building trains and planes have an interest in making them unsafe. They make me laugh...why would they want to destroy their reputation and potentially billions of dollars of funding. Before building anything, i am sure a company does incredible research in what is safe and can fit with what they are trying to do. Government regulations inhibits innovation by increasing costs, telling people they are to stupid to think.
vincentca2004 4 months ago
How dare they ask for saftey I am dagny tagart bitch
httm241 4 months ago
@httm241 First the union members themselves didn't make the demand, everyone that they could reach independently volunteered to run that train. Second the metal itself was already tested and found safe.
What this scene is one union rethreateningng the everexistencece of the company based of ignorance and fear rather than facts and reason.
calronmoonflower 4 months ago
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yankydoodle83 4 months ago
Horribly done scene. The union rep's stance was understandable.
willferrelsux 4 months ago
@willferrelsux Agreed, They killed the book with the movie. They gutted this scene badly.
kindsoul420247 4 months ago
She probably ran the coal mine where 29 miners died in Virginia too.Not all regulation is bad,not all workers rights are bad. A few yes.If you think the "company"will always do the right thing go back and look at history where corners are cut for profit. So now you say we can decide to not work for a company,but it's kinda hard to decide when you are already dead from a companys negligence.Ask one of the 11 oil rig workers from BP in the gulf.Oh yeah,ya cant.
1235dar 5 months ago
Poor acting.. no wonder this movie fell on its face
desertrat1111 5 months ago
@desertrat1111 the acting in The Fountainhead was worse, but it had HUAC behind it.
jxhensley 5 months ago
@desertrat1111 Nuh uh, nuh uh, nuh uh!!! It failed because "liberal" Hollywood killed it, all conspiracy-like and shit. That's what all the libertarians say, so it's gotta be da trues.
eirefrance 2 months ago
@eirefrance Well.. maybe.. I am no fan of liberal Hollywood. But,,My comment had more to do with a commentary on the movie itself. (although frankly I am no fan of Ayn Rand either)
desertrat1111 2 months ago
Big fan of the book.....but the actor they chose for Dagny was a terrible choice I think. I'm sure they could have found someone less attractive who was actually able to pull off the bluntness that Dagny's character shows in the book.
andrewh817 5 months ago
PLEASE!! Can anyone please tell me why the torrent for this movie is not available anywhere on the internet?? Libtards may say this is not a good movie, but then, even torrents for "Manos" and "Plan 9 from Outer Space" are available, why then NOT A SINGLE torrent for this movie is unavailable??
bangalorebully 5 months ago
@bangalorebully
How about waiting till its out on DVD and then rent/buy it? It's the Randian thing to do
SomeUsefulIdiot 5 months ago
@SomeUsefulIdiot It would be years before it's out on DVD in India...Anyways, the book is something too complex to be made into movie properly..Just like "The Da Vinci Code".
bangalorebully 5 months ago