When did the LDS church claim they R without error? The double standard U hold is astounding. Since the LDS church claims to be the only church on earth that has the authority of Christ U hold it to a standard that U do not hold Ur own church.
Peter denied Christ 3 times yet U still believe he was a leader in the Church. Im not sure how U can hold a double standard that allows 4 those in the bible to have sins&make mistakes but not those today that make the same claim as Jesus’ apostles
From the sounds of it, he is more concerned with "our testimonies-- that is our strong foundation"....Jesus is our foundation (for those born again)...as the Bible says Jesus is "the chief cornerstone" "our rock" "the foundation".
I agree with the video's description..."where is Christ?"
Yes, I understood that it was clips from the whole sermon...
Direct me to the entire talk and I will listen.
In turn, if you are LDS, then, you should take your own advise and listen to ALL the LDS history, ALL the statements that your prophets have said since the inception of your church.....instead of being the typical mormon who pretends that things are not there or did not happen, or that your church "really never taught that"
lds.org/general-conference/2006/10/how-firm-a-foundation?lang=eng Let's both of us study history and start off with the Nicene Creed when a group of people democratically voted on what the true nature of God is. Let's stay on subject and when you have watched the entire talk let me know what your critique is.
My concern is not what the Nicene creed decided. My concern is what the Bible says. Every time that you mention the creeds of men, I will bring the focus back to the Bible, Gods word.
I know you will dismiss this passage, because its the "mormons way", but here:
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time PAST unto the fathers by the PROPHETS, Hath in THESE LAST DAYS spoken unto us by [his] SON, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds Hebrews !:1-2
In regards to Amos..of course I do not dismiss it. It is in the Bible, I accept it. Do you understand that there were prophets of old and then in Hebrews we are told that they are PAST and the SON is PRESENT and God speaks through His son now. NOT through prophets...and again, if God were to speak again through a Prophet, it would not contradict what God already said.
I never said God isn't speaking now.....I said that He is not speaking through prophets...when Christ died and the veil was torn that caused all men who accept Christ to go to God directly through the perfect sacrifice.
@angelcollector22 so all of the churches differ from each other, so which is the one you worship at? I believe in all the ordinances that the church teaches us. They are all supported by scripture. You can believe as you wish, but I know what is correct.
I really am not trying to mean. You seem very nice.
But, reading the scriptures and praying on it is something I have always done.
You think by me praying again that it will make your unbiblical teaching biblical somehow? Or that it will make things that your church has done or has stood for go away.
Your teachings are false.
I come into this discussion with you ALREADY knowing that.
I have been extensively studying the differences of LDS for YEARS
"I know simple logic baffles you. I'm not surprised in the least."
Oh I know....why would I be baffled that you LDS think you will be having sex for eternity and spitting out babies left and right for the purpose of Lording your own planet.
@angelcollector22 OK, so here is my final response on this subject. You said that Families are forever is not mentioned anywhere in scripture. I gave you the references and it's up to you to figure it out. Remember that this mortal existence we are in is all about faith not proof. Good luck in your endeavors.
Your ignorance is not an excuse when it comes to what Jesus taught about marriage. I can not even begin to teach you as it will be casting pearls to the swine... literally. But I'm sure you know some of the greek/hebrew root words of those things that do not agree with you in the (English) bible so you can prove your point with deception.
The fact that there is no marriage in heaven implies at least two other things: 1) There will be no procreation in heaven; the number of the redeemed is set, and, with no death, there will be no need to propagate the race. 2) There will be no sexual intercourse in heaven. The appetites and desires of this world will give way to higher and infinitely more gratifying delights in the world to come.
It actually only says we do not marry in heaven... as in get married while in heaven... But it is not that simple to translate... the meanings get lost.
@angelcollector22 Does it say that you will be engaging in marital relations (SEX) and having babies anywhere in the Bible?
Your wishes are ones of mortality... are you not getting any sex and think that your god will give you many partners to do with what you want in the afterlife?
Remember... LDS believe we are eternal... so why would sex be needed if we have always existed? You need to get a bit more knowledge before you make stoopid statements like that.
@Sk8er408 "Your wishes are ones of mortality... are you not getting any sex and think that your god will give you many partners to do with what you want in the afterlife?"
God is not man. Though your church teaches that in theory.
He is God.
God has other things in store for us in Heaven.
"the two shall become one flesh"
Yes, God joins man and woman as one flesh in marriage.
Of note: you still do not have anything in the Bible that states that marriage and procreation is part of eternity -- and you have Jesus saying that there won't be...
Yes, "becoming" the Bible says that we "will become" the sons of God through adoption. Whether you think it is a metaphor or not, it was not written in the past tense like LDS would like to believe...it says "become" it does not say "you became in a premortal life"
It says we are his offspring and his children... You lack hard core context when it comes to why adoption was used. Adoption was used when writing to the Romans... yet the letters to the Jews they used children... do you or can you even begin to understand the importance of this small difference? You think every thing is literal yet have no context nor can you understand the cultures behind the sayings.
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
υἱοθεσία-
adoption, adoption as sons-the nature and condition of the true disciples in Christ, who BY RECEIVING the Spirit of God into their souls BECOME sons of God.
Thats what the Greek translation of that verse means.....
You don't quite get it. Adoption was used to teach the Romans not the Jews about becoming the Children of G-d because their tradition of Adoption and laws behind it are different. That is why when the Jews are being taught it talks about being Born Again their traditions was all about blood. In Roman law you could not disown an adopted child. You read things with a modern English view of it. You do this and miss out on the meaning behind what was meant.
"You read things with a modern English view of it. "
No, I got that definition from the strongs exhaustive concordance that breaks down NT Greek (in context) to give you the meaning from the NT Greek not the "modern English view of it"
And also the Bible says "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the children of God, even to them that believe on his name"
"as many as received him" is open to all who will receive him regardless of Roman or Jewish tradition.
You should understand that NT Greek is NT Greek...I learned that from the little exposure I got from taking a NT Greek class.
At any rate, the passage is more likely to mean that when we come to Christ in faith, surrender our lives to Him and repent, Jesus "accepts us into the beloved" (Ephesians 1:6) then any passage in the Bible means that we are literal offspring of God and his wife.
If you say something is bad, you mean it is not good.
When the Bible says "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." (Gal 3:26), it means that we are children of God by faith in Christ Jesus, NOT by any other means.
There is a difference between a church telling you what to believe and a church the teaches from the Bible.
For instance, my pastor has been teaching Acts for the last year and a half. We are on chapter 13. He teaches what it says, what he thinks, and what the historical backdrop was. Now, with my church, you can go online get a copy of the pastors notes and study on your own...and we study the same thing that week during in home Bible study..
Each church that teaches the bible gives their opinion & understanding of it. In affect they are telling U what to believe about the bible. Ur stance of church verses bible is erroneous.
Yes he teaches U what he thinks. Anything other then quoting form the bible is adding to & taking away from it.
U church does say??? What does the bible say about staying away from evil? Yes all things negative are evil. All U need is the scriptures right?
So what don’t U agree with that the LDS prophet has said in our time? The Proclamation to the World? Again I do not see the reason for anyone to study any topic from a negative point. Teaching someone with fear, hate, lies & half truths is not they way G-d teaches us. 100% of all anti uses these principals.
LDS modern day prophet presents himself to the world as politcally correct as possible (with the exception of prop 8) so that LDS can appear "mainstream"...its what they DON'T say that disturbs me.
It seems it when all u talk about is “biblical christianity” like that carries any weight The thing is I can show u where u r wrong in the bible & all u do is claim that I dont understand the bible
The bible is not his word Even the bible knows that
1Kings12:22 How can a book go2 any1 & say anything? You grossly distort things The tradition of not saying YHWH was 1 of respect Now u name a book ur god instead of understand that the word only comes by the Spirit
Scripture is given by inspiration of God, according to the Bible...therefore, I believe the Bible is Gods inspired word..It is okay if you choose to not believe that. But, "my" believing that does not mean that I worship a book above God..it only means that I worship the God of the Bible and I love the truth that He inspired within the Bible. I don't love the ink, or the paper, or the onion leaf pages, or the leather binding..I love Gods "truth."
Politically correct as possible? Mainstream? They have stated that they dont follow the mainstream Christian movement & Im sure u have used the statement that they dont believe in the same Jesus as the mainstream does Your prop 8 exception is weak They dont give their athletes a bye when it comes 2 standards They get kicked out of BYU U think u embody the image the LDS does because u want to be the standard yet beholden to none with your non-denom claim.
I don't want to be the standard. I don't want the church to be the standard. The Bible is the standard I go by. It is okay that you do not believe that the Bible is the standard or the word of God. I believe it is. Because I believe it is, I will weigh all beliefs against it.
Even LDS believes the Bible is the word of God. They just believe there is more besides the Bible and that it is okay if their works contradict the message within the Bible.
I never said that they were mainstream..I said that they were trying to be mainstream..but, they never can be because , as I said, its what they don't say that disturbs me.
Yes, their Jesus is very different.
I never meant prop 8 comment to be weak or strong.
LDS hides and sneaks around their crittical doctrines, making half the world think they are Christian...they are not. Christians do not strive to God their own planets and be worshiped by its inhabitants.
When have I ever said the bible is not the inspired of G-d? Your ability to lie about fluidly shows you are a liar at heart. You deceive only yourself.
Let’s test your worship of the bible. What is the sole source of truth that guides you?
So you admit that a book is your standard… Your god. Thanks for being honest. I do not believe the bible is the standard. The bible teaches that the Comforter is. You believe wrongly by putting your faith in a work of man just like the Israelites put their faith in a golden calf ( A symbol of their G-d like a cross would be today).
How can you weight all beliefs against it when all beliefs come from it?
Again… they are not mainstream not do they try to be. If they tried to be mainstream they would not have supported Prop 8 or hold to their standards.
Yes you mean to claim that besides the prop 8 they were trying to be mainstream… You were belittlingly their effort in supporting it. Your tactics are purely propaganda in nature.
Your understanding of the LDS is so wrong it is laughable. They do not strive to “god their own planets” nor be “worshiped by its inhabitants” You need to stop listening to the propaganda your pastor feeds you. It seems that ring is set deep in that big nose of yours.
The LDS church does not tell U want to believe any more then the next. They teach correct principals & let the members govern themselves. The only stance they have taken that can be construed as telling them what to believe is their support of Prop 8. They have an AoF that talks about letting people worship how and what they may.
Actually according to Revelation, there will be harps in Heaven, though it does not indicate that we will be the ones playing them...I know we will be singing a new song to God.
First my Biblical understanding is from a scholarly point of view unlike your faith point that makes you blind to the truth behind what was written and you just put your own context to it to fit your personal opinion.
Your comment about JS just shows you have no argument had have to revert to slander to make any kind of point.
My comment about JS was very much an argument....everything about him says "liar liar pants on fire"..so there is really nothing to believe about the start of his religion.
I never said my intellect changes the words of G-d. Your ignorance means you do not know what that is... his words. Arrogant...no.. I think you are a lemming to think that you can follow a book and replace your god with it.
okay Matthew 16:16-19 so first, Simon Peter says Jesus is the Christ the son of the living God.
Yes, I agree........ literal son by sexual relations?, I disagree. Thats sick and unbiblical. John 8:58 Jesus calls Himself "I am" Exodus 3:14 God calls Himself "I am" Matt 1:22 "He shall be called Immanuel... which means God with us" (not "a" god, but "God") Isaiah 7:14 "the virgin will be with child....call him Immanuel." CONT.
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.
why would the Messiah, Jesus, be called EVERLASTING FATHER?
why would the Messiah, Jesus, be called MIGHTY GOD?
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
"This is what the Lord says - your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb; I am the Lord, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself... "
"BY MYSELF"???
ohh ..ooops...thats not the LDS way!
Too bad you can't say that the book of Isaiah was corrupted because the book of Isaiah was before your imagined apostasy....and those words are in the dead sea scrolls....
"You understand that in Genesis G-d is refereed to in the plural right? "
You understand that the Bible, the whole Bible is Gods inspired word and as Gods inspired word, you read it as a whole.
Since you and I have crossed paths plenty of times, I know I have quoted (and just quoted) all the plethora of verses that show that there is DEFINITELY only ONE GOD. If you choose to ignore all those MANY passages, then you can make up any doctrine you want based on 1 or 2 verses
For instance, the Westboro Baptist church takes a couple of verses from the Bible and they think that since "God hated Esau" then they have free license to picket dead soldiers funerals...and use a couple of verses to say that the rest of the world is going to Hell.
Ever heard of the children of God??? (now called Family International) They use the book of Song of Solomon for their doctrine that Jesus wants sex with all his followers.
then of course there is John 1 and as many times as I have quoted it in the past, guess I need to again:
John 1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
"The same was in the beginning with God." "ALL things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
The Bible in the book of John says that God is a Spirit...the old testament says that "God is not a man"...yet your church teaches that he has flesh and bone.....yet you say that everything you are taught is blbical
@angelcollector22 You seem to have all the answers, so which is the ONE and only TRUE Church. There is only one God, so there can only be one church. Please tell me. Thanks,
Heres the thing that always strikes me....you churches that claim "we are the only true church" don't seem to grasp that God does not care about our rigid church institutions, he cares about our hearts...
Heres the thing......you have people now today in communistic countries where going to ANY church is ILLEGAL..but, these people, they accepted the sacrifice for sin and are living their lives everyday for Christ under intense persecution....but, they still belong to Jesus
LDS came up with the "parts and passions" lingo...that lingo is not even in the Bible.....God is God, Spirit, eternal, never had a beginning...created everything, including MATTER
Jesus speaks of His bride, the bride of Christ...the church.....I can be his church..in the New Testament, His church is described as "believers" not an institution made by man...going to church is important...being a member of any church institution is not what makes you part of Christs church anymore than going to a pet store makes you a cat.
@angelcollector22 I'm going to bed now. Got to get up and go to church in the morning and worship our Heavenly Father. Goodnight. Fear not, I will pray for you.
The link did not work, but I went on the official LDS website and found the written speech. Jesus Christ is mentioned in brief twice in his talk. Never was Jesus linked to what he was talking about. The title of his message was "How firm a foundation". Now if my Christian church preached a message with that title, there would be no hesitation with the whole message being centered around "the chief cornerstone", Christ Jesus.
@angelcollector22 you would have to put the h t t p internet characters before the rest of the URL. Youtube wouldn't allow me to post the whole URL. Obviously you don't understand that the foundation is Christ. And without a testimony of Christ you have no foundation.
Even when God is referenced in that message, He is portrayed as the Father in a premortal existence.......reading in between the lines, we can return someday to this god of yours who has a penis, gets an erection, pleasures women, ejaculates sperm, and a goddess Mother who gives birth to children who are then sent here to work on being worthy....one way they work on that is (as the message said), to work on your "foundation" which is NOT Christ, but is your "testimony"
This is my testimony! I'm all teary eyed right now, feeling quite emotional with a burning in my busom that the church of jesus christ of latter day saints is not true, & that Joseph Smith is a true deciever & charlatin of the 33rd degree masonic lodge.
P.S. So this is what a preacher sounds like when there's no annointing?
the reason i disliked this was because this is saying that Mormons aren't Christian which is incorrect because we believe in Christ the Messiah and the book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. Just read the titles completely.
@ctxx007 Who is God to you as a Mormon ? I'm just wondering what you hold to as gospel. You say you believe in Christ the Messiah, but do you believe His Word? You claim a living prophet. I claim a living God that upholds His Word from the begining to end. ALPHA OMEGA ! Bible VS Joesph Smith compares Biblical and B.O.M prophets and prophacies, compares evidences for both sides.
@qortwalk Let me see, I could just shut my mouth and let people say things with no basis in fact. Let them go unchallenged. Let them twist things and be quiet, so I don't offend anyone, Right? But it's ok for their missionaries to go door to door telling people lies calling all other religon an abomination in God eyes? But you know that's just what Satan would want me to do. So what's your point ? Why is keeping the Bible in context hateful? Why is using the Bible to defend the Bible hate?
Prophets have been ridiculed since Adam. The wicked take the truth to be hard, and lash out at the very men who Christ Himself chose to lead the world back to our Heavenly Father. You sir edited this video to deceive men, President Monson is a true prophet of the Living God, Jesus Christ. Contention and stone throwing is dangerous, especially when thrown from glass houses. The same men that condemn the true prophets today, were the men who would have crucified the Savior in days past. Be kind.
@jmansky1861 : Firstly, we ALL crucified Christ. Because all have sinned, Christ had to atone for sin. So it is all who put Christ on the cross, not some. Second, If you are going to say that Monson is a "true" prophet of God, you now have a burden of proof to prove that he is in fact a true prophet. Since I already know you can't prove he is as much a true prophet then the prophet mohammad is, I think its clear your mormonism is a deception and a disgusting false religion.
@MrSB1274 Disgusting....? Dont you think you are a little over dramatic! Sure you might not agree with this faith and their teachings, but come on, do you really feel that this video shows the spawn of satan. This man seems to have true love for Christ and the people he is testifying to. Why would this video lead to say what you have said. Its called Bigotry!! Look it up
@qortwalk: If I'm a bigot for thinking monson is a false prophet and mormonism is a false religion then so is Jesus. Mormonism and mad made religion put people into bondage. We are saved by GRACE, THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE. We are not saved by our faith in joseph smith, thomas monson, the temple recommend or ANY MAN or MANMADE INSTITUTION. JESUS ALONE IS SAVIOR. So yes it is disgusting. Teaching that you need to believe in a church or a false prophet to be saved is disgusting.
You know what? Doesn't he sound like the dark emperor from starwars? "Join the darrrrrrk sideeeee of christianity unleassssssh your hatred of logiccccccccccc"
Saying you believe in Christ and actually following HIM, not man, is different. This church excommunicates anyone that doesnt believe in Mormon Doctrine. Excommunication is a clear sign of condemnation and unforgiveness. A massive division of the family. Completely opposite Gospel of Christ. You can say ifs, ands and buts all day about the church, but it is NOT blessed in Gods eyes. Perverted love, is what you will get there.
They're saying that Mormons arent Christians? Wow. People must have not used their heads well. Mormons ARE Christian. Their church is called The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints. Notice how I capitalized Jesus Christ. Mormons DO believe in Christ. They are Christians.
@mszliyuwanTV I guess the difference is in Mormons believe if you use capital letters. It's Ok to ignore what Christ taught, make him your bro include Satan in on the good news. And becomes gods for your disobiedence. A Christian believes that all are justified on the single ground of faith in the shed blood of Christ, and that only by God's grace through faith alone are we saved (John 3:16-19; 5:24, Romans 3:23; 5:8-9, Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5).
Is this guy mis-guided or what???
MrRocknroll2012 12 hours ago
Lugubrious drudge bore.
minhali 2 days ago
cont 4
When did the LDS church claim they R without error? The double standard U hold is astounding. Since the LDS church claims to be the only church on earth that has the authority of Christ U hold it to a standard that U do not hold Ur own church.
Peter denied Christ 3 times yet U still believe he was a leader in the Church. Im not sure how U can hold a double standard that allows 4 those in the bible to have sins&make mistakes but not those today that make the same claim as Jesus’ apostles
Sk8er408 4 days ago
This man is a real idiot
max10wonderboy 3 weeks ago
This is a truly deceived man,you can see the far away look in his eyes.
CBALLEN 3 weeks ago
I love Thomas Monson. What a wonderful leader he is.
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
From the sounds of it, he is more concerned with "our testimonies-- that is our strong foundation"....Jesus is our foundation (for those born again)...as the Bible says Jesus is "the chief cornerstone" "our rock" "the foundation".
I agree with the video's description..."where is Christ?"
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 Maybe you ought to listen to the ENTIRE talk instead of just an edited segment.
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
Yes, I understood that it was clips from the whole sermon...
Direct me to the entire talk and I will listen.
In turn, if you are LDS, then, you should take your own advise and listen to ALL the LDS history, ALL the statements that your prophets have said since the inception of your church.....instead of being the typical mormon who pretends that things are not there or did not happen, or that your church "really never taught that"
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 Here ya go
lds.org/general-conference/2006/10/how-firm-a-foundation?lang=eng Let's both of us study history and start off with the Nicene Creed when a group of people democratically voted on what the true nature of God is. Let's stay on subject and when you have watched the entire talk let me know what your critique is.
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
I will watch the video.
My concern is not what the Nicene creed decided. My concern is what the Bible says. Every time that you mention the creeds of men, I will bring the focus back to the Bible, Gods word.
Period...
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 And remember that God's Word has no end even to this day.
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
I know you will dismiss this passage, because its the "mormons way", but here:
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time PAST unto the fathers by the PROPHETS, Hath in THESE LAST DAYS spoken unto us by [his] SON, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds Hebrews !:1-2
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 So do you dismiss Amos 3:7? Just asking
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
In regards to Amos..of course I do not dismiss it. It is in the Bible, I accept it. Do you understand that there were prophets of old and then in Hebrews we are told that they are PAST and the SON is PRESENT and God speaks through His son now. NOT through prophets...and again, if God were to speak again through a Prophet, it would not contradict what God already said.
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 So when you pray does God answer you? If he isn't speaking now why bother praying?
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
I never said God isn't speaking now.....I said that He is not speaking through prophets...when Christ died and the veil was torn that caused all men who accept Christ to go to God directly through the perfect sacrifice.
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
And yes, I have heard God speak....without a prophet, without laying on of hands, without temple endowments, church tithing, or LDS baptism.
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 so all of the churches differ from each other, so which is the one you worship at? I believe in all the ordinances that the church teaches us. They are all supported by scripture. You can believe as you wish, but I know what is correct.
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angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 Indeed I do. I believe that families are forever. Good night
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
good night.....I understand that you believe families are forever.....just understand Jesus said "no"
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
FYI.....I go to a church that teaches only biblical truth...its the mark of a church that Jesus would approve....
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angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
Families are forever concept is not in the Bible or in the book of Mormon.
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 KJV Matt 16:16-19 Matt 19:5-6 Matt 22:23-30 Mark 12:19-27 Luke 20:28-36 1 Cor 11:11-12 1 Peter 3:7
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
What would be your point with the verses you posted?
I have read all of those verses several thousand times in my lifetime.
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 Being the bright young lady you are, Pray on it and figure it out. I can't give you all the answers.
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
lol
YOU are funny!
I really am not trying to mean. You seem very nice.
But, reading the scriptures and praying on it is something I have always done.
You think by me praying again that it will make your unbiblical teaching biblical somehow? Or that it will make things that your church has done or has stood for go away.
Your teachings are false.
I come into this discussion with you ALREADY knowing that.
I have been extensively studying the differences of LDS for YEARS
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
Lets see you be honest and give a real difference between the LDS and the bible?
Sk8er408 3 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
awwwww how kind of you Sk8er to come and join us.
I have missed you!!!!!! and LDS still lies lol
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
You can not be honest about anything. You try to put asunder what G-d has joined and LDS lie?
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
Put asunder what God has joined?
wow
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 Put asunder what God has joined? wow
I know simple logic baffles you. I'm not surprised in the least.
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
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@Sk8er408
"I know simple logic baffles you. I'm not surprised in the least."
Oh I know....why would I be baffled that you LDS think you will be having sex for eternity and spitting out babies left and right for the purpose of Lording your own planet.
Makes perfect LOGICAL sense.
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 OK, so here is my final response on this subject. You said that Families are forever is not mentioned anywhere in scripture. I gave you the references and it's up to you to figure it out. Remember that this mortal existence we are in is all about faith not proof. Good luck in your endeavors.
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
My point was that Jesus himself said there is no marriage in the afterlife. Why would you not believe Him?
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
What is your take on these verses?
1 Corinthians 11:11, Mark 10:8-9
More so where is the err as in "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures"? Were does it teach that marriage is not a heavenly principal?
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
1 Corinthians 11:11
Men need women and women need men. God ordained it that way. Thats my take on that.
Now since the Bible is Gods revelation to man, we read it as a whole.
Jesus taught that there is no marriage in Heaven. That is what He said. He said what He said.
cont
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
Your ignorance is not an excuse when it comes to what Jesus taught about marriage. I can not even begin to teach you as it will be casting pearls to the swine... literally. But I'm sure you know some of the greek/hebrew root words of those things that do not agree with you in the (English) bible so you can prove your point with deception.
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
The fact that there is no marriage in heaven implies at least two other things: 1) There will be no procreation in heaven; the number of the redeemed is set, and, with no death, there will be no need to propagate the race. 2) There will be no sexual intercourse in heaven. The appetites and desires of this world will give way to higher and infinitely more gratifying delights in the world to come.
We will worship and serve our Creator.
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
It actually only says we do not marry in heaven... as in get married while in heaven... But it is not that simple to translate... the meanings get lost.
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
"It actually only says we do not marry in heaven... as in get married while in heaven"
Does it say that you will be engaging in marital relations (SEX) and having babies anywhere in the Bible?
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 Does it say that you will be engaging in marital relations (SEX) and having babies anywhere in the Bible?
Your wishes are ones of mortality... are you not getting any sex and think that your god will give you many partners to do with what you want in the afterlife?
Remember... LDS believe we are eternal... so why would sex be needed if we have always existed? You need to get a bit more knowledge before you make stoopid statements like that.
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
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@Sk8er408 "Your wishes are ones of mortality... are you not getting any sex and think that your god will give you many partners to do with what you want in the afterlife?"
you mistaken me for LDS
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
"LDS believe we are eternal."
so your spirits never had a beginning? Why do you have a Heavenly Father if you are eternal?
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
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@angelcollector22
so your spirits never had a beginning?
Nope.
Why do you have a Heavenly Father if you are eternal?
Why would you not?
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
Mark 10:8-9
Yes, those verses say "let not man put asunder"
God is not man. Though your church teaches that in theory.
He is God.
God has other things in store for us in Heaven.
"the two shall become one flesh"
Yes, God joins man and woman as one flesh in marriage.
Of note: you still do not have anything in the Bible that states that marriage and procreation is part of eternity -- and you have Jesus saying that there won't be...
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
No LDS. and the LDS does not teach that G-d is man but that we are his offspring (just like the bible does BTW)
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
"and the LDS does not teach that G-d is man but that we are his offspring"
How do we become his offspring??
According to LDS, through his "manhood" (ie GODS penis).
duh!
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
We are his offspring... there is no becoming. born again and adoption are metaphors.
Your ignorance with the gods penis shows you are diluted by propaganda based on bigotry.
I would call you a crusader... out to kill anyone that will not lock step with your view of the world... and i'm arrogant right?
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
'We are his offspring... there is no becoming'
Yes, "becoming" the Bible says that we "will become" the sons of God through adoption. Whether you think it is a metaphor or not, it was not written in the past tense like LDS would like to believe...it says "become" it does not say "you became in a premortal life"
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
It says we are his offspring and his children... You lack hard core context when it comes to why adoption was used. Adoption was used when writing to the Romans... yet the letters to the Jews they used children... do you or can you even begin to understand the importance of this small difference? You think every thing is literal yet have no context nor can you understand the cultures behind the sayings.
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.
υἱοθεσία-
adoption, adoption as sons-the nature and condition of the true disciples in Christ, who BY RECEIVING the Spirit of God into their souls BECOME sons of God.
Thats what the Greek translation of that verse means.....
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
You don't quite get it. Adoption was used to teach the Romans not the Jews about becoming the Children of G-d because their tradition of Adoption and laws behind it are different. That is why when the Jews are being taught it talks about being Born Again their traditions was all about blood. In Roman law you could not disown an adopted child. You read things with a modern English view of it. You do this and miss out on the meaning behind what was meant.
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
"You read things with a modern English view of it. "
No, I got that definition from the strongs exhaustive concordance that breaks down NT Greek (in context) to give you the meaning from the NT Greek not the "modern English view of it"
And also the Bible says "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the children of God, even to them that believe on his name"
"as many as received him" is open to all who will receive him regardless of Roman or Jewish tradition.
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
In his context.
THere is so much more then just words... there is the culture behind it.
Example... what does it mean if I say something is bad?
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
You should understand that NT Greek is NT Greek...I learned that from the little exposure I got from taking a NT Greek class.
At any rate, the passage is more likely to mean that when we come to Christ in faith, surrender our lives to Him and repent, Jesus "accepts us into the beloved" (Ephesians 1:6) then any passage in the Bible means that we are literal offspring of God and his wife.
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 You should understand that NT Greek is NT Greek...I learned that from the little exposure I got from taking a NT Greek class.
You should understand that the NT original language is not Greek but Hebrew.
Sk8er408 1 week ago
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@Sk8er408
"You should understand that the NT original language is not Greek but Hebrew."
That is up for debate.
3 of the 4 gospels were written in Greek as their audience was Greek speaking. The gospel of Matthew possibly was written in Hebrew.
At any rate...Not one book of the New Testament has been preserved in Hebrew -- only in Greek.
But, changing the subject back.....even if it were written in Hebrew...it still does not say that we are literal offspring of God and a wife.
angelcollector22 1 week ago
@Sk8er408
If you say something is bad, you mean it is not good.
When the Bible says "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." (Gal 3:26), it means that we are children of God by faith in Christ Jesus, NOT by any other means.
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 If you say something is bad, you mean it is not good.
That is not always the case.
Sk8er408 1 week ago
@Sk8er408
That is not always the case.
ok
angelcollector22 1 week ago
@angelcollector22
For the gospels it is.
Sk8er408 1 week ago
@Sk8er408
"For the gospels it is."
No, it is not.
angelcollector22 1 week ago
@angelcollector22
You don't know much except for what your church believes and wants you to believe.
Sk8er408 1 week ago
@Sk8er408
What makes you think my church tells me what to believe?
angelcollector22 1 week ago
@angelcollector22
What church doesn't?
Sk8er408 6 days ago
@Sk8er408
There is a difference between a church telling you what to believe and a church the teaches from the Bible.
For instance, my pastor has been teaching Acts for the last year and a half. We are on chapter 13. He teaches what it says, what he thinks, and what the historical backdrop was. Now, with my church, you can go online get a copy of the pastors notes and study on your own...and we study the same thing that week during in home Bible study..
cont
angelcollector22 5 days ago
My church does not tell me to stay away from "anti" sites.
The LDS church says that what the prophet says goes..they tell its people to stay away from anti sites and anti literature.
so, no, I don't agree that all churches "tell you what to believe"
My church teaches me what they believe, but never once do they tell me or imply that I have to believe what they teach is without error.
Every pastor, priest, Prophet in this world is with error and not always right.
I
angelcollector22 5 days ago
@angelcollector22
Each church that teaches the bible gives their opinion & understanding of it. In affect they are telling U what to believe about the bible. Ur stance of church verses bible is erroneous.
Yes he teaches U what he thinks. Anything other then quoting form the bible is adding to & taking away from it.
U church does say??? What does the bible say about staying away from evil? Yes all things negative are evil. All U need is the scriptures right?
cont.
Sk8er408 4 days ago
@Sk8er408
I never said that all I need was the scriptures.
Thats what you like to think or say when me or anyone like me tries to show you from the Bible why LDS teaching is not the same as Biblical teaching.
I don't pray to a Bible. I don't sing to a Bible. I don't raise my hands to a Bible. I don't kneel to a Bible.
I worship God and along with that worship is study of His word.
angelcollector22 4 days ago
@angelcollector22
cont 2
So what don’t U agree with that the LDS prophet has said in our time? The Proclamation to the World? Again I do not see the reason for anyone to study any topic from a negative point. Teaching someone with fear, hate, lies & half truths is not they way G-d teaches us. 100% of all anti uses these principals.
Sk8er408 4 days ago
@Sk8er408
"LDS prophet has said in our time?"
LDS modern day prophet presents himself to the world as politcally correct as possible (with the exception of prop 8) so that LDS can appear "mainstream"...its what they DON'T say that disturbs me.
angelcollector22 4 days ago
@angelcollector22
It seems it when all u talk about is “biblical christianity” like that carries any weight The thing is I can show u where u r wrong in the bible & all u do is claim that I dont understand the bible
The bible is not his word Even the bible knows that
1Kings12:22 How can a book go2 any1 & say anything? You grossly distort things The tradition of not saying YHWH was 1 of respect Now u name a book ur god instead of understand that the word only comes by the Spirit
Sk8er408 3 days ago
@Sk8er408
Scripture is given by inspiration of God, according to the Bible...therefore, I believe the Bible is Gods inspired word..It is okay if you choose to not believe that. But, "my" believing that does not mean that I worship a book above God..it only means that I worship the God of the Bible and I love the truth that He inspired within the Bible. I don't love the ink, or the paper, or the onion leaf pages, or the leather binding..I love Gods "truth."
angelcollector22 3 days ago
@angelcollector22
Politically correct as possible? Mainstream? They have stated that they dont follow the mainstream Christian movement & Im sure u have used the statement that they dont believe in the same Jesus as the mainstream does Your prop 8 exception is weak They dont give their athletes a bye when it comes 2 standards They get kicked out of BYU U think u embody the image the LDS does because u want to be the standard yet beholden to none with your non-denom claim.
Sk8er408 3 days ago
"because u want to be the standard"
I don't want to be the standard. I don't want the church to be the standard. The Bible is the standard I go by. It is okay that you do not believe that the Bible is the standard or the word of God. I believe it is. Because I believe it is, I will weigh all beliefs against it.
Even LDS believes the Bible is the word of God. They just believe there is more besides the Bible and that it is okay if their works contradict the message within the Bible.
angelcollector22 3 days ago
@Sk8er408
I never said that they were mainstream..I said that they were trying to be mainstream..but, they never can be because , as I said, its what they don't say that disturbs me.
Yes, their Jesus is very different.
I never meant prop 8 comment to be weak or strong.
LDS hides and sneaks around their crittical doctrines, making half the world think they are Christian...they are not. Christians do not strive to God their own planets and be worshiped by its inhabitants.
angelcollector22 3 days ago
@angelcollector22
When have I ever said the bible is not the inspired of G-d? Your ability to lie about fluidly shows you are a liar at heart. You deceive only yourself.
Let’s test your worship of the bible. What is the sole source of truth that guides you?
A. a book
B. G-d
C. a pastor
D. yourself
FYI G-ds truth only comes from the Comforter.
Sk8er408 15 hours ago
@angelcollector22
“The Bible is the standard I go by”
So you admit that a book is your standard… Your god. Thanks for being honest. I do not believe the bible is the standard. The bible teaches that the Comforter is. You believe wrongly by putting your faith in a work of man just like the Israelites put their faith in a golden calf ( A symbol of their G-d like a cross would be today).
How can you weight all beliefs against it when all beliefs come from it?
Sk8er408 15 hours ago
@angelcollector22
Yes the LDS believe the bible is G-ds word to man but not that it is G-ds living word like most believe.
Why would there not be more then the bible? Do you believe that G-ds word is dead? Do you believe that G-d is bound to a book?
Please show me what contradicts the bible if you would.
Sk8er408 15 hours ago
@angelcollector22
Again… they are not mainstream not do they try to be. If they tried to be mainstream they would not have supported Prop 8 or hold to their standards.
Yes you mean to claim that besides the prop 8 they were trying to be mainstream… You were belittlingly their effort in supporting it. Your tactics are purely propaganda in nature.
Sk8er408 15 hours ago
@angelcollector22
Your understanding of the LDS is so wrong it is laughable. They do not strive to “god their own planets” nor be “worshiped by its inhabitants” You need to stop listening to the propaganda your pastor feeds you. It seems that ring is set deep in that big nose of yours.
Sk8er408 15 hours ago
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The LDS church does not tell U want to believe any more then the next. They teach correct principals & let the members govern themselves. The only stance they have taken that can be construed as telling them what to believe is their support of Prop 8. They have an AoF that talks about letting people worship how and what they may.
Sk8er408 4 days ago
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@angelcollector22 it means that we are children of God by faith in Christ Jesus, NOT by any other means.
Faith without works is dead... so yes... there are other means that are involved. faith only is dead.
Sk8er408 1 week ago
@Sk8er408
"Your ignorance with the gods penis "
so how did God have offspring?
So, you are eternal, but God had offspring?
If I got that wrong, enlighten me how that works exactly...
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
"I would call you a crusader... out to kill anyone that will not lock step with your view of the world.."
out to kill?
lol....I could never shoot someone like JS did.
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 God has other things in store for us in Heaven.
Like playing a harp?
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
Actually according to Revelation, there will be harps in Heaven, though it does not indicate that we will be the ones playing them...I know we will be singing a new song to God.
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
So you will sing... that is what eternity holds for you? Singing? I how you have a good voice.
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
"that is what eternity holds for you? Singing?"
I never said that is all that we would be doing. I mentioned singing because you mentioned harps.
Read your Bible
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 I never said that is all that we would be doing. I mentioned singing because you mentioned harps.
and you take it literal... LOL
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
all you have is extrabiblical teaching from a prophet that cheats on his wives, marries 14 year olds, and writes fiction.
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
Your ignorance reeks of bigotry.
First my Biblical understanding is from a scholarly point of view unlike your faith point that makes you blind to the truth behind what was written and you just put your own context to it to fit your personal opinion.
Your comment about JS just shows you have no argument had have to revert to slander to make any kind of point.
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
My comment about JS was very much an argument....everything about him says "liar liar pants on fire"..so there is really nothing to believe about the start of his religion.
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
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@angelcollector22 everything about him says "liar liar pants on fire"
As did everything with Jesus... yet you blindly follow a book.
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
I could care less that you are some type of scholar...you think your intellect changes the words of God? Kind of arrogant, don't you think?
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
I never said my intellect changes the words of G-d. Your ignorance means you do not know what that is... his words. Arrogant...no.. I think you are a lemming to think that you can follow a book and replace your god with it.
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
"you can follow a book and replace your god with it."
How so?
Because I believe what was God had written in it?
So do LDS "as far as it is translated correctly"
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
G-d did not write the bible...
The LDS do not put the bible or BoM before G-d.
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
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@Sk8er408
"The LDS do not put the bible or BoM before G-d."
The only reason that you say that about me is that I believe what the Bible says and don't believe what the LDS has to say.
My relationship with Christ is a personal one and Bible reading/defending is only a part of that relationship.
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
"G-d did not write the bible..."
My statement was "what God had written in it". (meaning God directed what should be written)
That statement does not say that God took a pen and sat down and wrote it.
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
G-d wrote nothing in it.
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
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@Sk8er408
"G-d wrote nothing in it."
You, of course, are entitled to your feelings on that.
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@Sk8er408
I am putting faith in the words of the Bible (how is that not in essence a scholarly approach?)
I have a VERY large Strongs concordance I inherited...not all that difficult to read and study.
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 OK, just one final thing...you remind me of the people in the great and spacious building: 1 Nephi 8
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
I remind you of characters in a building from a fictional story book...?
okay
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
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angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
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@mdha
okay Matthew 16:16-19 so first, Simon Peter says Jesus is the Christ the son of the living God.
Yes, I agree........ literal son by sexual relations?, I disagree. Thats sick and unbiblical. John 8:58 Jesus calls Himself "I am" Exodus 3:14 God calls Himself "I am" Matt 1:22 "He shall be called Immanuel... which means God with us" (not "a" god, but "God") Isaiah 7:14 "the virgin will be with child....call him Immanuel." CONT.
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.
why would the Messiah, Jesus, be called EVERLASTING FATHER?
why would the Messiah, Jesus, be called MIGHTY GOD?
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
In Revelation AND Isaiah, BOTH Jesus and God are referred to as "Alpha and Omega" "First and Last" King of Kings and Lord of Lords"
why?
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
In Revelation 1:7-8, the Lord God states He is the Alpha and Omega. Yet in that same verse the speaker, God, says He was pierced.
In Revelation Both God, Jehovah, and Jesus are described as "coming soon".
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
(John 14:9)
"Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father." John 14:9
Why would Joseph Smith have a reason to have God appear in light of the above?
There is no reason.. Jesus just said that if you have seen Him you have seen the Father anyway.
Besides God said to Moses:
"But", he said (God speaking to Moses), "You cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
(Colossians 1:15-17)
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
What?
Jesus created all things???
ALL?
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
"This is what the Lord says - your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb; I am the Lord, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself... "
"BY MYSELF"???
ohh ..ooops...thats not the LDS way!
Too bad you can't say that the book of Isaiah was corrupted because the book of Isaiah was before your imagined apostasy....and those words are in the dead sea scrolls....
hmmm
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
(Genesis 1:1)
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Clearly in Genesis, we are told God is the Creator. However in Colossians, clearly Jesus is identified as the Creator.
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22
You understand that in Genesis G-d is refereed to in the plural right? And not just the plural form with singular meaning...
Sk8er408 2 weeks ago
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@Sk8er408
"You understand that in Genesis G-d is refereed to in the plural right? "
You understand that the Bible, the whole Bible is Gods inspired word and as Gods inspired word, you read it as a whole.
Since you and I have crossed paths plenty of times, I know I have quoted (and just quoted) all the plethora of verses that show that there is DEFINITELY only ONE GOD. If you choose to ignore all those MANY passages, then you can make up any doctrine you want based on 1 or 2 verses
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@Sk8e
For instance, the Westboro Baptist church takes a couple of verses from the Bible and they think that since "God hated Esau" then they have free license to picket dead soldiers funerals...and use a couple of verses to say that the rest of the world is going to Hell.
Ever heard of the children of God??? (now called Family International) They use the book of Song of Solomon for their doctrine that Jesus wants sex with all his followers.
Its dangerous to pick and choose verses.
angelcollector22 2 weeks ago
@mdha
then of course there is John 1 and as many times as I have quoted it in the past, guess I need to again:
John 1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
"The same was in the beginning with God." "ALL things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
so, thats is only a tiny quotable portion of the whole Bible...
Now, you find me one verse that is as clear as that that says that Jesus is a literal son of God by means of procreation.
Thanks!
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
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@mdhampto
I had to repost this and add the word "NO"
so Jesus said that there is NO marriage in the afterlife, yet if you are a faithful LDS, you believe that teaching
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
I have studied this...there is also over 100 offshoots of your church...your denomination is not exempt from that.
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
The Bible in the book of John says that God is a Spirit...the old testament says that "God is not a man"...yet your church teaches that he has flesh and bone.....yet you say that everything you are taught is blbical
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
Furthermore, even if God were to speak now, it would NEVER contradict what He has already said.
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 You seem to have all the answers, so which is the ONE and only TRUE Church. There is only one God, so there can only be one church. Please tell me. Thanks,
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
Heres the thing that always strikes me....you churches that claim "we are the only true church" don't seem to grasp that God does not care about our rigid church institutions, he cares about our hearts...
Heres the thing......you have people now today in communistic countries where going to ANY church is ILLEGAL..but, these people, they accepted the sacrifice for sin and are living their lives everyday for Christ under intense persecution....but, they still belong to Jesus
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 I know I belong to the the only true church.
So did Jesus tell you this church institutions?
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
The Bible is very clear that God does not reside in temples made with hands. He resides in the believer. His Holy Spirit.
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 Does God have body parts and passions?
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
LDS came up with the "parts and passions" lingo...that lingo is not even in the Bible.....God is God, Spirit, eternal, never had a beginning...created everything, including MATTER
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
Jesus speaks of His bride, the bride of Christ...the church.....I can be his church..in the New Testament, His church is described as "believers" not an institution made by man...going to church is important...being a member of any church institution is not what makes you part of Christs church anymore than going to a pet store makes you a cat.
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 Well I'm going to bed.
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 I'm going to bed now. Got to get up and go to church in the morning and worship our Heavenly Father. Goodnight. Fear not, I will pray for you.
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
why do you say there is only one God when your religion is polytheistic?
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
And, by the way....I am not afraid...The Lord is my rock and shield, In Him will I put my trust.
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 Excellent, as do I.
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampt
The link did not work, but I went on the official LDS website and found the written speech. Jesus Christ is mentioned in brief twice in his talk. Never was Jesus linked to what he was talking about. The title of his message was "How firm a foundation". Now if my Christian church preached a message with that title, there would be no hesitation with the whole message being centered around "the chief cornerstone", Christ Jesus.
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 you would have to put the h t t p internet characters before the rest of the URL. Youtube wouldn't allow me to post the whole URL. Obviously you don't understand that the foundation is Christ. And without a testimony of Christ you have no foundation.
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
Even when God is referenced in that message, He is portrayed as the Father in a premortal existence.......reading in between the lines, we can return someday to this god of yours who has a penis, gets an erection, pleasures women, ejaculates sperm, and a goddess Mother who gives birth to children who are then sent here to work on being worthy....one way they work on that is (as the message said), to work on your "foundation" which is NOT Christ, but is your "testimony"
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 Do you have an infatuation with sex? You silly little boy.
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
I am a girl....43 years old lol.....sex is how your premortal spirit was made, so it warrants mentioning
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
@angelcollector22 ok, so you're a silly little girl
mdhampto 3 weeks ago
@mdhampto
"Let's both of us study history"
I have a big fascination with LDS history....how about the 1830's to present?
angelcollector22 3 weeks ago
Bible VS Joesph Smith compares Biblical and B.O.M prophets and prophacies, compares factual evidences for both sides. @sourceflix
pappyforyou 3 weeks ago
This is my testimony! I'm all teary eyed right now, feeling quite emotional with a burning in my busom that the church of jesus christ of latter day saints is not true, & that Joseph Smith is a true deciever & charlatin of the 33rd degree masonic lodge.
P.S. So this is what a preacher sounds like when there's no annointing?
desertdoggz 4 weeks ago
the reason i disliked this was because this is saying that Mormons aren't Christian which is incorrect because we believe in Christ the Messiah and the book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ. Just read the titles completely.
ctxx007 1 month ago
@ctxx007 You hold Joseph Smith at a higher esteem.
HanginAbout 1 month ago
@ctxx007 Who is God to you as a Mormon ? I'm just wondering what you hold to as gospel. You say you believe in Christ the Messiah, but do you believe His Word? You claim a living prophet. I claim a living God that upholds His Word from the begining to end. ALPHA OMEGA ! Bible VS Joesph Smith compares Biblical and B.O.M prophets and prophacies, compares evidences for both sides.
pappyforyou 4 weeks ago
@pappyforyou
Please do share with me and give some substance to your obvious hate. People that have beliefs that differ from yours seem to enrage you.
qortwalk 3 weeks ago
@qortwalk Let me see, I could just shut my mouth and let people say things with no basis in fact. Let them go unchallenged. Let them twist things and be quiet, so I don't offend anyone, Right? But it's ok for their missionaries to go door to door telling people lies calling all other religon an abomination in God eyes? But you know that's just what Satan would want me to do. So what's your point ? Why is keeping the Bible in context hateful? Why is using the Bible to defend the Bible hate?
pappyforyou 3 weeks ago
Prophets have been ridiculed since Adam. The wicked take the truth to be hard, and lash out at the very men who Christ Himself chose to lead the world back to our Heavenly Father. You sir edited this video to deceive men, President Monson is a true prophet of the Living God, Jesus Christ. Contention and stone throwing is dangerous, especially when thrown from glass houses. The same men that condemn the true prophets today, were the men who would have crucified the Savior in days past. Be kind.
jmansky1861 1 month ago
@jmansky1861 : Firstly, we ALL crucified Christ. Because all have sinned, Christ had to atone for sin. So it is all who put Christ on the cross, not some. Second, If you are going to say that Monson is a "true" prophet of God, you now have a burden of proof to prove that he is in fact a true prophet. Since I already know you can't prove he is as much a true prophet then the prophet mohammad is, I think its clear your mormonism is a deception and a disgusting false religion.
MrSB1274 1 month ago
@MrSB1274 Disgusting....? Dont you think you are a little over dramatic! Sure you might not agree with this faith and their teachings, but come on, do you really feel that this video shows the spawn of satan. This man seems to have true love for Christ and the people he is testifying to. Why would this video lead to say what you have said. Its called Bigotry!! Look it up
qortwalk 3 weeks ago
@qortwalk: If I'm a bigot for thinking monson is a false prophet and mormonism is a false religion then so is Jesus. Mormonism and mad made religion put people into bondage. We are saved by GRACE, THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE. We are not saved by our faith in joseph smith, thomas monson, the temple recommend or ANY MAN or MANMADE INSTITUTION. JESUS ALONE IS SAVIOR. So yes it is disgusting. Teaching that you need to believe in a church or a false prophet to be saved is disgusting.
MrSB1274 3 weeks ago
You know what? Doesn't he sound like the dark emperor from starwars? "Join the darrrrrrk sideeeee of christianity unleassssssh your hatred of logiccccccccccc"
somcomm 1 month ago
Saying you believe in Christ and actually following HIM, not man, is different. This church excommunicates anyone that doesnt believe in Mormon Doctrine. Excommunication is a clear sign of condemnation and unforgiveness. A massive division of the family. Completely opposite Gospel of Christ. You can say ifs, ands and buts all day about the church, but it is NOT blessed in Gods eyes. Perverted love, is what you will get there.
TheSoulamore 1 month ago
They're saying that Mormons arent Christians? Wow. People must have not used their heads well. Mormons ARE Christian. Their church is called The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints. Notice how I capitalized Jesus Christ. Mormons DO believe in Christ. They are Christians.
mszliyuwanTV 1 month ago
@mszliyuwanTV I guess the difference is in Mormons believe if you use capital letters. It's Ok to ignore what Christ taught, make him your bro include Satan in on the good news. And becomes gods for your disobiedence. A Christian believes that all are justified on the single ground of faith in the shed blood of Christ, and that only by God's grace through faith alone are we saved (John 3:16-19; 5:24, Romans 3:23; 5:8-9, Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:5).
Christians I think not!
pappyforyou 4 weeks ago