In Luther's time, he made the Catholic Church the Scapegoat , to label the Pope as the Anti Christ, while Luther himself, sought to ban books from the Bible, including Luther hated the Gospel of John, the Epistles of James and Luther added the word "Alone" in Paul's teaching about Justification by Faith ,making it say "Faith ALONE" Which Martin Luther then claimed he had Messianic Power to actually change the Bible to his doctrine, So who was the Anti Christ, the Pope or Luther ?
@medusa210562 There certainly was times the Pope fled Rome to France , in the midst of the Divine Right Kings Wars over European States. You just scapegoat Catholics as a product of having been propagandized by the haters of Catholics, to bring out the worst things and make huge distortions and lies why those events happened. If I hit you , because you shot me, then you lie and say I am a bad guy for having hit you ??? What kind of Idiot are you !!! Study the real history and learn the Truth
the Vatican is one of the best organizations in the world. One of the most charitable institutions next to America. One can see the Religious Institutions in Iran and Middle East are the worst in the world, not the Catholic. This business about always making the Catholics the bad guy is Sophomoric, Adolescents think that way. Catholics are very good people, including the Pope, he is a kind and gentle Christian man, but maybe you were taught to hate people and thus you are Prejudiced
@CarmineFragione Catholics are good people my grandmother was a good catholic who love the Lord. I believe she was a saint now passes away. But vatican is the antychrist. Historically. I only know of one power that claimes so mush Godly authority and is immoral, totally immoral. And burned millions at the stake. Some humble saitly christian among these: Richard Bayfield, John Cooper, John Huss.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THIS VERY OUTSPOKEN CARMINEFRAGIONE, IF THERE WERE INQUISITIONS WHERE POPES AND BISHOPS PHISICALLY TORTURED PEPLE. IN THE MOST ORRIFIC WAY EVER KNOWN TO MANKIND. AS TO MAKE HITLER LOOK LIKE A LAMB?
The Sons of Hiram, Gentiles of Lebanon, some of them were partly of Jewish Origins, but for the most part, they were Free of Moses Law and Sanctions about Idol Making. So Solomon had the Stones for the Temple cut and dressed in Lebanon, and the Cedar Beams. Then on every Sunday Morning, the Gentiles came to the Temple Mount and erected the House of God, The Jews never built Solomon's Temple. When the Jews built the second Temple, it never rose to the Glory of God and the Jews failed.
Deuteronomy 4:15 The Jews are sanctioned apart from all other nations and tribes , to be denied the cause of making Idols, because they made the Golden Calf for Pharaoh and angered God .But in verse 19 it says " worshiping things the Lord your God HAS APPORTIONED to all the Nations under Heaven." The Gentiles built the Temple of Solomon and made numerous Idols and Carved Images of Saints, Angels and Beasts to place in the Temple of Yahweh. Catholics are the very people who build the Temple
Catholic Faith has no hierarchy with respect to totally committed Love of God, as the Offering in prayer & songs, to all Saints, the Disciples, to the Apostles, to Mary, to Joseph, to Paul and Peter and James,in the exact same manner of Perfect Giving, as one would Worship God who is One, The Church, the Saints the Saved, are now all One in Christ, and any Offering to whom Jesus Loves, is exactly equal to Worship of Jesus, and Worship then of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit 3=1
So the Churches, being Gifted by the Appearing of Christ personally to them, in Signs and Wonders, Miracles and Visitations of the Lord to the Anointing of the few, " Many are called and few are chosen" So the Elevations of Church Fathers, is not by men, but by God, through the Trinity Way, the Word, The Spirit, the Teacher ( Messiah) has to collect in One Place to Anoint the Rulers, and they have Power to Abrogate any Law of Torah to their needs, serving the Many as they serve One
In Two places Jesus makes the Disciples aware, they shall be Lawmakers for the Members of the Church Congregation. He tells Peter what he binds on Earth will be bound in Heaven. Jesus appears in Risen Glory to give the Holy Spirit to His chosen Disciples and they can now forgive sins, as Jesus did Himself. This Transfiguration is what the Jews are fighting against, the Living Authority of Christ in the Church to Rule by Law, in the Congregation. No one man can rule, but the Assemblies can.
In the New Covenant, Jesus closes the case of Moses' Law that sealed it as serving only until He, Messiah came. Once Messiah came, He took the Throne and begins to rescind any law, add any law or abrogate any law, even change the times, stop on Tuesday, and declare by Edict it is now Saturday, remitting the rest of the days as nonexistent to His Rule. So the New Covenant is a Powerful Message of New Laws, being made through the Ministry of the Church which are binding in Heaven by God.
If I sat on the Jury, and the Protestants tell me that the Catholic Church is not of God, then they are telling me they have Evidence, that Christ is not Risen and not Present in the Court Room To Testify, and thus everything about Jesus is Mythical and not worthy of Belief. So the Protestant Case against the Catholic Church is the Equivocation of the Bible as God and that God is only then an Absentee Landlord, and as such , the Authority must go back to the Jewish Rabbinic Tradition. Fail.
The Protestants have fed into the preparatory stages of Judaizing, where one must confess Jesus is not Risen and not here and thus absent, and if absent to the Church , then Jesus is not Messiah , and then all we have is the BIBLE. to Return to the Bible, means keeping the Law of Moses and denying that Jesus rose, and takes the Authority of the Law, to end the Power of Law and Jesus becomes the Law Maker in a New Covenant Way. To deny Jesus rose, means you can attack the Catholic Church
Given the Premise as True, Jesus rose from the dead , to give then His Corporal Power of being a Body or Temple on Earth , distributed to the Disciples in an Act of Communion, by taking the Bread and Wine in His Name, by Jesus appearing in Glory to breathe the Holy Spirit upon them, making them as gods before the people ( Exodus 4:16 "You shall be as God Yahweh to him") Given that, the Catholic Church must be Christ, and Christ must be the Capstone, with all Power to give or take away.
If Jesus is not Risen, then Jesus cannot appear on Earth to those He chooses to lead the Church by His very appearing ,face to face with the Disciples, just and exactly the same as shown in John 20th chapter verses 21-23 .Jesus walks through the wall, appears in Glory, breathes upon the Disciples, He Loves, and Imputes Authority of the Church on Earth to carry on the same Ministry that Jesus, sent by the Father, had done as a man walking on earth. To forgive sins or retain the sins of any.
The Authority of the Church came by flesh and blood Witnesses to the historical Jesus and the sight of the Risen Christ. Christians did not study Torah or Tenach to know Salvation, They were Gentile Proselytes of Jewish Messianic Witnesses, who they themselves, though being Jews, had no professional study of Torah in any Yeshiva. We are talking about God FACE TO FACE with the Apostles and Disciples of Christ, to begin a Tradition of Authoritative Ascension , where Jesus appears Personally.
In the Sixth Century A.D. the Jews imposed Vowel Marks on their reconstructed Hebrew Bible so that certain interpretations that could lend themselves to the teaching of the Divine Messiah, such as in Psalms 110, was misdirected by the adding of Vowel Marks to the Hebrew Consonants Letters, so the Reader would not leaven up the scripture with the actual Hebrew inflections to consider Messiah was as a High Priest, the Incarnation of Adonai to be Yahweh the Personal appearing God Savior on Earth
For the Jews, knowing the Law of Moses, able to memorize and recite every verse, and having a Bible or collection of Sacred Scripture, that in itself is not the Obeying of the Law. The Torah is much like our United States Constitution, which facilitates how the country in it's governance is to be run, and by whom. The Church is not to be run as a Jewish State. The Church is not to follow Judaism in keeping the Law of Moses. It is a Liberated People, whose power comes from the Messiah's Grace.
The Jews never built the Temple of Solomon, For one, in Deuteronomy 4 , the Jews are denied the ability to make any Idols for the Temple, and God specifically says there, that God yet gave the portion of making images and following the stars, to the Nations under Heaven , which meant it is LEGAL for non- Jews to make Idols, and so they did, The Sons of Hiram of Lebanon, hired by Solomon, built the Temple of Yahweh with Idols in it, and no Jews ever built a proper Temple for God. Repent.
How do people in various nations has a civil society where they know it is wrong to kill people or steal another's property ? Paul addressed the Romans with a dialog not about Jewish Law, but about Natural Law. God's Law for the Nations, is not the Sinai Covenant Law that bears also the Ten Commandments. These Ten Laws are easily referenced as guided by Natural Law, which God asserted to the Jew,that the Nations were free before God to live as natural persons in the Earth , without Judaism
The Bible is also the personal and sacred history of an ancient Nation , called Israel. The Nation of Israel fell in 722 B.C. and the Kingdom of Judah , limited to mostly Jewish People, also collapsed and fell in 597 B.C. The Glory of Israel by the Law of the Temple, never regained itself in Harmony with what God Yahweh demanded of the Jews, They lived in Sin and so the Temple that fell in 70 A.D. was a neglected inferior, unacceptable Temple in God's eyes. They did not keep the Law.
Jesus was in the tomb on Friday, half a day, He was in the tomb for two Shabbat or Sabbath Days, in a special week of Passover that was extended as having an eighth day or a repeated Saturday. The Sabbath Rest then was prolonged from 24 hours to 48 hours, repeating the day of rest, waiting for the full moon on the evening before Easter Sunrise. which occurs about every 50 years. Jesus was in the tomb half a day Sunday, So Two Sabbath Days and two half days is 72 hours, or Three Days.
In Jewish times, the day of the week was not in agreement or aligned with the Roman Calendar days of the week. You only supposed that Saturday is the "Seventh Day" or Sabbath, but it never was the counting of days by the Jewish Method of sighting the First Day, on the Vernal Equinox ( Easter) when the Full Moon shines the evening before and the Morning Star of Venus appears several minutes before the Sunrise, on the day of the least possible darkness. due to all this united Illuminations.
When the Bible speaks about the Law, it is not cherry picking out the Ten Commandments, that if you obey those ten rules, that you have satisfied God that you are Obeying His Holy Law and doing everything that Moses said God demanded of the Jews. People today do not even know that this year, the Sabbath Day or Jewish Seventh Day, has been falling on our Roman Calendar day of Tuesdays. because the Jews restart the days of the week from scratch by blowing the Trumpets for the First Day.
this is the incredible fact the Sola Scriptura people cannot fathom, By the Bible, there are 96 curses on the Jews and they are not Atoned For. Only then an outside Act of Mercy proceeding from the Godhead, not from the Bible, which is the source of the Curses, but from God, after the fact of the Bible, God came into the world to Atone and change the course that the Bible itself sets for Israel, that is, Dooms. So Jesus is God contradicting the Curses in the Bible by His Deeds.
So what does all this mean ? You either believe Jesus is God and present with us Emanuel God in the Holy Spirit and in the Eucharist, or you are only a proselyte of the Jews trying to please God by obeying the Law of Moses. which Israel critically failed to so do in any past times and cannot do today and never will. To Judge the Church by the Law is SATANIC ATTACKS , to be ACCUSERS OF THE BRETHREN, to denounce the Church, and thus they serve the Jews and the Devil Himself, Anti Christ
The weapon the Judaizers are using against the Catholic Church is the measure of the demands of Moses' Law, to witness the Catholics are not able to withstand the test of the Law, But neither were the Jews able. But the critical difference, is, the Jews claim to keep the Law but do not and so they are hypocrites. The Catholics are liberated from the Law of Death and Sin , and cannot then by judged by the Law of Moses, for there is One who speaks for the Church, that is Jesus Christ, who is God
Jesus said "You search the scriptures because you believe you have eternal life in them, but they testify of me" So, the Scriptures are a Cursed Story of the Fall of Israel and the Old Man Israel is dead and gone. But God has come down from Heaven ,to undo the 96 Curses God imputed as the Law of Moses against Israel, taking the Curses upon Himself, taking the Death required and Rising up to be then the New Law of Himself, What Jesus says is Liberty , is then the Law Abrogated to the Church
the Bible Alone is totally and utterly worthless. The Bible is just what it is, a Book. The Bible does not prove Jesus is God, God appeared on Earth as Jesus Christ to prove firsthand to witnesses , that Jesus is God and God is then affirming by an agreement to then cause to pass the Bible to be Fulfilled, or made to be the Truth. Jesus causes the Bible to come true, not the other way around. Jesus is here, He is Risen, He is the Church and He is the Capstone of the Church.
Now, if the real Power of God is not the Bible, so that the Bible is one witness to prove God is appearing in the world and rules by His Providence. Then as a Christian, do you look to Jesus Christ to appear to you personally to save you , or do you only agree if you can make a doctrinal study from the Bible ? On the one hand , if God appears to you, that is a challenge of faith to believe it. But if God never appears to you, you have no proof that there is even any God at all.
Say on the one hand Jesus appears to the Saints of the Church to give them Grace, and on the other hand, someone who is a Bible authority is teaching you to stone people to death for their sins, as the Law clearly demands you obey it. Do you obey the Bible as you literally read it, or do you obey Jesus Christ as the Risen Lord and your God, who appears to you to instruct you in the Way. Who do you believe ? Is the Bible "God on Earth" ? Or is the Bible secondary to Christ Himself ?
@CarmineFragione Satan can appear in the from of angles and say what ever he wants. The sola Scriptura is there fro a very good reason. No vision can go against it so that I my not be deceived
What is really the Faith is the Resurrection of Christ to prove God is Truth, and that Jesus is God. Beyond this, to then use the Bible as the Authority , leads to the inescapable conclusion that we do not really believe Jesus is God and rose from the dead. What takes faith is not believing the Bible, but believing Jesus is God and that He rose. If Jesus be Risen, then Jesus is fully God all the time and the Bible is one witness , not a magical book ,but a written witness that Jesus is God
@medusa210562 In the Book of Lamentations, chapter two, The Word of God says the Lord God tore down Jerusalem's walls, the altar of God and ended the Law. Thus the Bible says the Law is ended. The Jews have never restored the Kingdom, nor have the Jews ever kept the Torah Law, they have rationalized parts of the Law to make a modern Religion that is utterly Fake ! And all this contradicts your belief that you can find Salvation by following the Law in the Bible. Repent. Jesus is the Law
@CarmineFragione Does it say ended the law? The ten comandaments never ended. "who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin." Romans 7 25 Faith and obedience must work simmutaneosly, as a responce to Grace. Grace is what Jesus did on the cross. Grace is a gift. Grace is not magic like some other protestant seem to explaine it. But catholic mostly have no openion.
@medusa210562 Yes the Book of Lamentations literally says that as God destroyed Jerusalem, destroyed the Sanctuary and tore down the walls, that in all aspects of the Religion of the Jewish State, the Law of Moses came to the end. The End of the Law means God has interceded to either complete the Law, or suspend the Law , like freezing time in suspension. No man can obey God's Law, because it is not just the Ten Commandments, it is the entire Behavior and Method of the Temple and Sacrifice
@CarmineFragione 1) man cannot obbey the law. Not because it is not just the 10 Commandments. Man just cannot obbey the law. That is why he needs to be covered by grace. 2) Romans 7: is talking about "you shall not covet" that is in the 10 comadamets. 3} the condemnation of the law was done away with not the law. Hebrew and revelation tell us of the hevenly santuary. and yes the 613 earthly garvening laws are not there but the 10 camandaments are. These were indide the ark.
@medusa210562 Pauls letter to the Romans is based on Natural Law, not a intellectual knowledge of the Jewish Religious Law of Moses, for the Romans, the early Christians had no idea about Jewish Religion. So you made an error. Paul speaks about Nature and Natural Affection, being what the Gentiles understood as "God's Law" as respecting "Natural Affections" not the critical knowledge of the Torah Law. which few people ever seen a Bible, never mind understood the Religion of the Jews.
@CarmineFragione The early christians were a continuation of jewdaism. manus the sacrificial law. Collosians 2 proves this. They are celebrating fests which were a a shoddow OF THINGS TO COME. not of things that were to come. And Paul tald them not to worry about people judgning them. Also you can see from the story in acts 10:14 that Peter didn't eat unclean animals. which is unhealthy. And if you study the all story surely he was glad he didn't hav to ever eat unclean animals.
@medusa210562 You are very wrong, the Early Christians had no Bible, not for several centuries. They had some letters, but the Churches were run first hand by Eye Witnesses to the Resurrection of Christ, and what they Orally Taught in the Churches, were their own Doctrines, which came under reproof by the Doctrinal Letters of Paul, Peter ,James ,etc. So the Christian Martyrs had no Scripture at all, of the Torah and Tenanch by which to find Salvation , They had the Witnesses to believe
@CarmineFragione the early church had the old testament, Acts 17:11 And had the writing of the apostle and John. Of course the church of Rome soon became corrupted. It cominated this corruption with the very worst seen in the inquisitions, while true christianity was continued by a few. Do you know even during mussolini in Italy there were protestants in jail. While the catholic church was favored with the pact. "the concordate" il concordato.
@medusa210562 I believe many catholics are saved christian, as they love Jesus according to the knowledge they have. My grandmother was a good catholic, praying day and night. BUT THE VATICAN IS THE MOST EVEL ENTITY ON THIS EARTH. AFTER THE SPIRIT OF DARKNESS OF PRINCE OF DARKNESS.
@medusa210562 You can not betray Peter because of Judith! You do not turn your back on the Church because of a man made mistake outside of the Church. If you go by that then you shouldn't go to Church period.... There are Bad people in every Group, don't think for one minute Just because People become Protestant there perfect, bu no Protestant look at that..
@dirtboy7777 I am not blaming any man no popes no bishops I am a sinner myself. But the catholich churhc claimes a succession of infallible Popes (papacy). How can this infallible papacy have 600 years of heretics inquisitons?
@medusa210562 The Catholic Church has a Right by Faith in Christ to establish Church Law for their own Church, and you have no right as an outsider to deny them that Liberty. You are acting as an outside Accuser of the Brethren, but will not help the Catholics and use them as cannon fodder. The Infallibility of the Pope, is only with the Church Law for those who by their Faith continue with the Church, Read John 6 and see how Jesus abrogated the flesh and blood lesson for those who grumbled.
@CarmineFragione I am not blaming any man no popes no bishops I am a sinner myself. But the catholich churhc claimes a succession of infallible Popes (papacy). How can this infallible papacy have 600 years of heretics inquisitons?
@medusa210562 In John's Gospel, chapter six, Jesus introduces the Divinity of His Flesh and Blood as a Sacrament, but the Jews grumbled and then the Disciples of Christ also grumbled at Him ,saying "who can accept this ?" So to accommodate the lack of faith , Jesus abrogates the lesson to say " The Spirit gives life and the Flesh accounts for nothing" Jesus did this to show His Leverage to vary the teaching from Church to Church, yet some will not believe in Him, Jesus said.
@CarmineFragione Jesus intorduces the Divinity Of His flesh and Blood as a Sacrament. Please stop talking catholic rubish. The catholic church is the only church that relies on the flash and works. The only church tha kept doing what the fareesees invented. Not moses. Flaggillation. Nuns in complite seclution. Filippino catholic nailing their hand at easte. Pennace. the priest used to say to me how many hailmaries I hav to say. As if the number of praiers could make the difference.
@medusa210562 The Inquisition was run by agents of the Catholic Church ,but was done at the behest of the King of Spain ,as a consequence of a long protracted invasion of Islam into Europe, where the old school Jews, the Sephardic Jews were murdered by the new Ashkanazi Jews who brought the Babylonian Talmud into Europe to force upon Jewry, and those new Jews fought with the Islamic Army in a War against Jesus Christ, When will you learn the truth, the Jews are Anti Christ because of the Talmud
@CarmineFragione The word sacrament as used by the catholic church referese to a set of doctrine I call magic. The bible is about the responce of the heart to the Holy Spirit. Sacraments are magic acts. Baptisim of infants. Trambsustatiation, In the Mass the catholics are continuing the sacrifices which the book of hebew says that ended. Why do yo need an alter. Why do you need a Prist. Isn't a pulpit and a pastor good enough. You are still carring on alter sacrifices.
@medusa210562 We still do all that one of the reasons is so my sons will know what we did. Understand? Sacrament is a channel for which got uses to touch u. Now a pulpit is and pastor is not good enough, That makes him center, Jesus Christ is center. its not all about the preachers sermon. its going before the alter and receivingJesus every time, we Catholics give thanks, Jesus didn't say preach in remembrance of me he said take this bread (My body) take this wine (My blood)
@dirtboy7777 I have apostolic succesion, it is spiritual. The church is spiritual and invisible as the catholic cread says. And treu christians grow in knowledge. Apostolic succesion as the Catholic likes it, is complete OPPRESSION OF CONCIENCE. I have apostolic succsion so you cannot think, and you must obbey me. Galileo Galilei was scared to tell the earth moves. THAT IS ENOUGH FOR ME
@medusa210562 In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins;( Part of the Creed!) well if you want to go by the creed now, The creed does not say Apostolic means spiritual. You should actually look up what Apostolic Succession is.You would have to be RC or Greek Orthodox to trace your roots back to the time of Jesus. And I don't obey idiots,,sorry! The Curch was built on men. as the bible says..
@medusa210562 Tit 1:5 - commission for bishops to ordain priests,Jn 15;16 - Jesus chose special men to be his Apostles,Jn 20:21 - Jesus gave the Apostles his own mission ,Lk 22:32, Jn 21:17 - Peter appointed to be chief shepherd,1Tim 3:1, 8; 5:17 - identifies roles of bishops, priests, deacons Eph 4;11 - church leaders are hierarchical,1Tim 3:15 - Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.
@dirtboy7777 It is all very simple, The catholic church would like to stop any kind of freedom of conscience. If I cannot interpret the bible I must submit myself to some sinful man. In this case, the Vatican who would like to burn the heretics, As I said the pope burned people in the inquisition of heretics.
@medusa210562 ( 2Pet 1:20 - no prophecy is a matter of private interpretation ), Its in the Bible You can't interpret the bible by yourself, can you read?
@dirtboy7777 This succesion was based on the spiritual growth of the individuals. The succesion was about trueth. There church of rome became the most corrupted entity in history how do you call that succession.
@medusa210562 Where does it say that where is it in the bible that anyone can interpret the bible? Did you ever hear of Holy orders, I gave you a lot of Bible to back what I say up, but you cant give me nothing besides your own private interpretation..You have to be the dumbest religious guy I spoke with on here.
@dirtboy7777 10And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. ACTS 10:11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. YOU SEE THERE IS NO OPPRESSION OF CONSCIENCE IN THE BIBLE.
2 Chr 19:11 - high priest is over you in everything of Lord's
Mal 2:7 - seek instruction from priest, he is God's messenger
Eph 2:20 - Church built upon foundation of apostles & prophets
Eph 4:11 - God gave some as apostles, others as prophets...1 Cor 12:28-29 - God designated in church: apostles, ...Acts 1:20 - let another take his office
@dirtboy7777 2 Chr 19:11 - high priest is over you in everything of Lord's
Mal 2:7 - seek instruction from priest, he is God's messenger
Eph 2:20 - Church built upon foundation of apostles & prophets
Eph 4:11 - God gave some as apostles, others as prophets...1 Cor 12:28-29 - God designated in church: apostles, ...Acts 1:20 - let another take his office ALL THIS APPLY TO MY CATHOLIC CHURCH. IT COULDN'T POSSIPLY APPLY TO THE CORRUPTED CHURCH OF ROME
1Tim 4:14 - gift conferred with the laying on of hands
1Tim 5:22 - do not lay hands too readily on anyone
Acts 14:23 - they appointed presbyters in each church
2Tim 2:2 - what you heard from me entrust to faithful teachers,Titus 1:5 - appoint presbyters in every town, as I directed ALL THIS APPLYES TO MY PROTESTANT CHURCH.
@dirtboy7777 20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. THE HOLY SPIRIT INTERPRETS PROPHECY FOR US NOT SINFUL CATHOLIC BISHOPS.
@dirtboy7777 As I said Galileo galilei, was scared to say that the eart moves. Oppression of conscience. John Hus was burned at the stake Oppression of conscience. The list goes on and on.
@dirtboy7777 I don't judge man. But the fact remains even one mistake where the all vatican was in agreement, even one protestant reformer burned at the stake when the all vatican was in agreement showes that the papacy is not infallible
@medusa210562 The are and have been infallible when addressing the the body of the church!! If they talk about how they think the economy is outside of the church, yes they can be Fallible. They are sinners just like you and me..No body gets handed a pefect bill of life because the a Pope or Pastor or Minister..Why can't you understand that, I know there were some scum ball Popes, but that doesn't make me turn away from the truth.
@dirtboy7777 The roman church is fallible. I am not judging popes and people I am a sinner too. The inquisitions were wrong. New Catholics like to they don't worship saints. What what did people do when they were on their knees canting the names of saints until their knees were bleeding. People who travel all the world to go to see crying statues. Indulgences for even the dead. when we die our faith is sealed. The omission of the second commandment, exodus 20:4-6.
@medusa210562 20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. THE HOLY SPIRIT INTERPRETS PROPHECY FOR US NOT SINFUL CATHOLIC BISHOPS.
@medusa210562 and do this in remembrance of me, He didn't say this was a symbol of or anything like that, he just said to do it.. The bible also say if you hand hand offends you cut it off, if your eye offends you gouge it out, I bet you don't do that now do ya?
@dirtboy7777 in regard to transubstantiation. The bible is clear. with the new covenant sacrifices finished alters and priest fineshed. therefore the ucarist is not a catholic sacrament. (invention of man) it is the individual excepting the sacrificed boby of Jesus at calvary. there was one sacrifice for ever. It is sacriligious idolatry to still have an alther and carry on a sacrifice.
@dirtboy7777 the old testament law of moses was a theocracy. Yes if we had a religious theocracy I would follow all the law of moses. Now I give to caesar what belongs to caesar. So the Pope did cut of eyes and gouge them out when he practices his theocracy in the dark ages, and he will do it again. I am under governmants. And their laws untill they don't persecute me as the pope would like to do. As he killed many protestant martirs
@CarmineFragione Jesus said "do this in memory of me" If the heart is convicted the Holy Spirit is heard and the heart changes. Non of this magic of the ucarint becaming actual flash. Infants being saved when they don't need to be saved. Prayers for the dead. Indugences even in form of money. Magic Magic Magic
@medusa210562 Yes all of us are sinners agreed.. Here the deal of what Catholics follow. When the Pope addresses the whole body of the Church, he has to speak infaliable without a Mistake,because he is guided by the HolySpirit. Just as your Pastor cant say its ok to smoke weed at your Church and talk fallible, If not going by your own guide line you would not be able to any Church.The churchis made of sinners. The church didnt mess up a person did, Dont betray Peter cause of Judith
@dirtboy7777 When the pastor says it is not ok to smoke weed. All who agree can keep on staying in the church does how don't will not be burned at the stake.
@medusa210562 I would assume you dont belive in Mortal and Beinal sin as ever other Protestant I know, So stealing a piece of Gum is no different then stealing a car, Right? So what make you or your Pastor any different than a bad Pope..Going by You belief..
@dirtboy7777 Stilling a piece of bum in not like stilling a car. But only God knows the heart. In the old testament you got stoned for breaking the Sabbath for killing and for stilling. For catholic not going to church on Sunday will never be a big sin. All this because Catholicism is man made. The theocrasy of the israelites was perfect as it was dectated by God.
@medusa210562 Catholic , belief of not going to church on Sundays is a Mortal sin. Try to figure out what you wrote seems like you must have been on something writing this one
@dirtboy7777 I lived in Italy Even the most fervent catholics go to mass on sunday morning and then go to watch soccer, sunday afternoon. this is a human invention. You can do good on the sabbath. As Jesus thought. But to go and watch soccer. and bet money on it? how come the pope doesn't say anything about it.
@medusa210562 Out of the 12 one of them was the devil, you don't turn your back to the Apostles now do you? You can not criticize Catholic theology when you you don't understand it. My advice to you would be go and find a good catholic that know their faith, Have an open heart and mind. And listen to what we really believe. They say you'll find 100 people who hate the Catholic for what they think it believes and you wont' find 7 who hate it for what the know it believes.
@dirtboy7777 You argue with me but you will never care about (for example) that the catholics are happy with 100 madonnas. they even have a black one.
@medusa210562 I could say that Protestantism Have 500 years of false teaching. There are 38,000+ different denominations of Protestant groups and only one Holy Catholic Church. Jesus knew something was going to happen he pray to God the we become one. How can we become 1 if you guys keep splitting apart? Denomination are not the Church you are a group that denominated away from the Church. The Catholic Church is not a denomination.. You understand that? Its THE CHURCH!
@dirtboy7777 The catholic church has practiced many inquisitions. But the one I would like to talk about in particular is the inquisitions of heretics. In other wards people like me, People who love Jesus.
@medusa210562 People like you are complete idiots, and don't understand or can't grasp the concept of history or the Bible, You just said in another post the Pope can burn at the stake, you are contradictory to Christian Belief, You should be thanking the Catholic Church, because of them You even have a bible..
@medusa210562 Different is against what Jesus wanted, We are to be of one think, He even prayed that we are one. You cant do that if Protestantism keep making new groups..There are 38,000 different catholic Churches and only one Holy Catholic Church that honors the seat of Peter..
@dirtboy7777 I don't ever remember catholic being like one. The catholic church is only concerned with the number of their membership. It doesn't not stop them form worshiping saints.
@medusa210562 are you retarded? Do you even know what the word Catholic means?? It came from two words Kalph Oahlos ,(on the whole), universal, This means anywhere and everywhere if you believe in Jesus its the same way, 1Cor 1:10 - I urge that there be no divisions among you,Phil 2:2 - be of same mind, united in heart thinking one thing,Jn 17:17-23 - I pray that they may be one, as we are one,Rom 12:5 - we, though many, are one body in Christ
@medusa210562 Col 3:15 - the peace into which you were called in one body,( I'm sorry but the only Christian body that was around was Catholic.) Mt 16:18-19 - upon this rock I will build my Church (singular),Mt 18:17 - tell it to THE Church; if he refuses to listen even to THE Church... (must be visible) Jn 10:16 - there will be one fold and one shepherd, And this is a big one,Rom 16:17 - avoid those who create dissensions
@medusa210562 Jesus spoke Aramaic if you looked into history his town he grew up in was mostly Aramaic speaking community, Primacy of Peter Mt 16:18 - upon this rock (Peter) I will build my churchMt 16;19 - give you keys of the kingdom; power to bind & looseLk 22:32 - Peter's faith will strengthen his brethrenJn 21:17 - given Christ's flock as chief shepherdMk 16:7 - angel sent to announce Resurrection to Peter
@medusa210562 what it was written in and what was spoke are two different things, the bible was writing almost 400 years after Christ in 397AD and was compiled by the Catholic Monks, before this there was no bible,, Your welcome!
@dirtboy7777 The bible was the old testament. And every letter as received by small churches from disciples and apostles was the knew testament. As I said some Catholics were saints as they loved Jesus according to what they knew. Not the Vatican that killed millions for reading the bible. And they would like to take it away from me now. by force if they could.
"We know that Jesus spoke Aramaic because some of his words are preserved for us in the Gospels. Look at Matthew 27:46, where he says from the cross, ‘Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?’ That isn’t Greek; it’s Aramaic, and it means, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’
@medusa210562 What’s more," I said, "in Paul’s epistles—four times in Galatians and four times in 1 Corinthians—we have the Aramaic form of Simon’s new name preserved for us. In our English Bibles it comes out as Cephas. That isn’t Greek. That’s a transliteration of the Aramaic word Kepha (rendered as Kephas in its Hellenistic form)
@medusa210562 "And what does Kepha mean? It means a rock, the same as petra. (It doesn’t mean a little stone or a pebble. What Jesus said to Simon in Matthew 16:18 was this: ‘You are Kepha, and on thiskepha I will build my Church.’
@medusa210562 I check my email comments YOU said Jesus is rock. If your agreeing with me now about him him speaking Aramaic, In Aramaic Jesus would have called Peter Kepha which only would mean Rock.Matthew 16:18 was this: ‘You are Kepha, and on this kepha I will build my Church.’ The Bible was done in Greek because it was the popular language, but not what Jesus himself spoke. He gave him the Keys,not the whole world.. Just look at it with 3rd grade grammar and its easy to see
@medusa210562 "When you understand what the Aramaic says, you see that Jesus was equating Simon and the rock; he wasn’t contrasting them. We see this vividly in some modern English translations, which render the verse this way: ‘You are Rock, and upon this rock I will build my church.’ In French one word, pierre, has always been used both for Simon’s new name and for the rock."
@medusa210562 Beyond the grammatical evidence, the structure of the narrative does not allow for a downplaying of Peter’s role in the Church. Look at the way Matthew 16:15-19 is structured. After Peter gives a confession about the identity of Jesus, the Lord does the same in return for Peter. Jesus does not say, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
@medusa210562 And I tell you, you are an insignificant pebble and on this rock I will build my Church. . . . I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven." Jesus is giving Peter a three-fold blessing, including the gift of the keys to the kingdom, not undermining his authority. To say that Jesus is downplaying Peter flies in the face of the context. Jesus is installing Peter as a form of chief steward or prime minister under theKingofKings by giving him the keys tothekingdom.
@medusa210562 As can be seen in Isaiah 22:22, kings in the Old Testament appointed a chief steward to serve under them in a position of great authority to rule over the inhabitants of the kingdom. Jesus quotes almost verbatum from this passage in Isaiah, and so it is clear what he has in mind.
@medusa210562 e is raising Peter up as a father figure to the household of faith (Is. 22:21), to lead them and guide the flock (John 21:15-17). This authority of the prime minister under the king was passed on from one man to another down through the ages by the giving of the keys, which were worn on the shoulder as a sign of authority. Likewise, the authority of Peter has been passed down for 2000 years by means of the papacy.
@medusa210562 Lk 24:34 - risen Jesus first appeared to PeterActs 1:13-26 - headed meeting which elected MatthiasActs 2:14 - led Apostles in preaching on PentecostActs 2:41 - received first convertsActs 3:6-7 - performed first miracle after PentecostActs 5:1-11 - inflicted first punishment: Ananias & SaphiraActs 8:21 - excommunicated first heretic, Simon Magnus
@medusa210562 How does this prove Peter was not Catholic? You can't take one single verse alone.. Peter often, (like Jesus being Baptized) always wanted to be humble and show he with with the people..It doesn't mean that he wasn't head Spiritual Father.
@dirtboy7777 Even if apostolic succession is biblical. I don't believe it is. this succession would not belong to a powerful (scary) political religious power that I believe it the historical Antichrist. I will give you one example of the true church. the Waldensian
@medusa210562 So if your agreeing it is biblical, and I more than showed you enough verses in the bible. I agree that there were some that abused the power in there action out of the Church, but when addressing the church they Matthew 16:18 was this: ‘You are Kepha, and on thiskepha I will build my Church.’ the teachings remained the same. There was a lot of great Popes, If Apostolic succession is biblical and that's really the process that Jesus intended Why does that bother YOU?
@medusa210562 Every Church is filled with people, people whether their Pastors or not Make mistakes. You your self said your a sinner, like the rest of us. No one that is Catholic said the pope was sin free. He is a man, that was appointed threw apostolic succession to teach the faith, It doesn't mean he gets a free pass, Please try and understand what I'm saying. You have to approach this with an open mind.
@dirtboy7777 for goodness sake how many times do I have to tell you I am not judging the pope or the priest or the catholic person. haven't you read what I wrote!!!!!
but the INFALLIBLE ORGANIZATION, PAPACY-VATICAN CALLS ITSELF INFALLIBLE BUT BURNS PEOPLE AT THE STAKE. ESTABLISHES INQUISITIONS FOR THE HERETICS. AND HAS NOT ONE DOCTRINE THAT AGREES WITH THE SCRIPTURES!!!!!!
@medusa210562 I haven't burn anyone at the stake, Niether has my priest or any of the recent Popes that I know of. By what your stating is we all do that, that is inaccurate. When is the last time A Pope burn someone at the stake and I mean the Pope himself.
@medusa210562 I have given you You over 50-70 verses out of the Bible, not counting explaining some of them in great detail, supporting Catholic Beliefs, Catholics are very Scriptural. And you seem to dodge all the main points I make. The only thing you can really say is is Popes are bad..
@medusa210562 The Catholic Church has been Infallible when when addressing the Church in teaching the the Faith. what some of these bad Pope, Bishops, Priests and Catholic people have down outside of the Church was wrong and I agree, but you don't walk away from the truth that Jesus Established. You think everyone in you church group is perfect? You think your perfect? I really don't think you are capable of comprehending the bible at all.
@dirtboy7777 REJECTION OF TRANSUBSTANTIATION WAS MADE A CAPITAL CRIME, This alone tells me that all the texts that you have given me apply spiritually to make honest pastors the succession of the disciples. the succession mast be spiritual Read Acts 20: 29 30 the savage wolves was the church of Rome. THE TRUE CHURCH WAS THE MODEST PERSECUTED CHRISTIANS BURNED AT THE STAKE FOR NOT BELIEVING IN TRANSUBSTANTIATION. Read Acts 20:29-30 carefully
@medusa210562 You have got to Know when Popes, Priest are to speak infallible and when they aren't required to. Till then you are going to beat your self in the head, because to the majority of Christians ( The Catholic Church is the largest ) you sound uneducated about the bible ( Catholic Belief ) period. I can and have shown you scripture supporting Catholic Theology and really really haven't shown me nothing , but your opinion or should I say PRIVATE INTERPRETATION...
1Cor 1:10 - I urge that there be no divisions among you
You are a Division, A denomination, Denomination meaning you would have had to break away from the true church, The Catholic Church is not a Denomination, Its THE CHURCH!
@dirtboy7777 Yes read acts 20:29,30 carefully "wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves. So the people that eventually followed the law that"rejection of transubstantiation was made a capital crime" the catholic church and burned millions for not believing in transubstantiation were the wolves. the people burned the modest minority were the church.
@dirtboy7777 Galatians 1:6 to 9 tells us that if someone preaches a gospel different from the apostles they are "under God’s curse!" AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OPENLY TEACHES NOT SCRIPTURES ALONE, BUT WHAT WE HAVE CONTRIBUTED TRUE TRADITION.
@dirtboy7777 pharisees had reasons to be successors of Moses. Jesus points out the adherence to scripture was what they failed to do. 1 CORINTHIANS 11:20-23 IS AN ABBOMINATION HOW YOU USE IT. HENCE THE DIABOLIC DOCTRINE OF TANBSUSTATIATION. READ HEBREW 10:10 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ ONES AND FOR ALL. Alters and sacrifices are a thing of the past now the accept Christ's sacrifice IN OUR HEART AS A MEMORIAL.
@dirtboy7777 READ HEBREW 10:10 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ ONES AND FOR ALL. Alters and sacrifices are a thing of the past now the accept Christ's sacrifice IN OUR HEARTS AS A MEMORIAL. "do this in remembrance of me" A REMEMBRANCE. THIS IS NOT TRANSUBSTANTIATION.
@dirtboy7777 The church is invisible because even among catholic some are true Christians some are not. That is what I believe. Some popes were saints Some were lost sinners until they died. Only God knows the true church. As far as denomination. the catholic organization is the worst one.
@medusa210562 Now This one proves you don't know what your talking, The church is not invisible, It is a visible body..A denomination is a group that broke away from the original, The Catholic Church is the First,only and oldest Church that dates back to the time of Jesus, It is not a denomination its the original Church. Historical fact! It didn't denominate away from anything, look it up. Historically show me where and who the Catholic Church broke away from, You can't!
@medusa210562 Mt 18:17 - tell it to THE Church; if he refuses to listen even to THE Church... (must be visible) DID you not read this when I sent it before? Does it make sense to you to see it spelled out? Tell it to the Church!!, Listen to the Church!! Find it in the bible where is says the church must be invisible... Then we all shouldn't be going cause it would exist no where...
@dirtboy7777 you are 100% right the church is visible, for goodness sake people are not ghosts. I think it is you who refuses to read what I wrote not the other way around. I repeat what I said the church is invisible. When Jesus returns one bishops will be saved and one will not.
@medusa210562 The mistake right here is you said I don't believe it is,( meaning you) This is private interpretation, Bible says for this not to happen.,
@medusa210562 18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas[a] and stayed with him fifteen days. NIV version, Cephas, which means Rock, no other Apostle got called this.
@medusa210562 We find Paul refers to Peter as Kepha, (ROCK) Jesus gave Gave Peter they Keys to the kingdom.. If Jesus was the Rock as you say, why didn't he keep the keys?? The Church was not built on the confession, it was built on men, (Eph 2:20 - Church built upon foundation of apostles & prophets) It says the apostles and Prophets.. Those are men!!..
@dirtboy7777 KEPHA, sorry the knew testament was written in Greek. It is a well known fact that this was a catholic invention. And what ever keys Jesus gave to peter he gives to me, spiritually Eph 2:20 applies to my protestant church, It couldn't possibly apply to the church that burned john hus. wanted to burn martin luther and the list goes on and on
@medusa210562 Listen, we don't worship saints!! We honor them and ask them to inter-seed for us..Why don't you get that? Its in the bible,om 15:30 - join me by your prayers to God on my behalf
@medusa210562 Through all the Bad Popes, Priests and Bishops, it is still here after 2,000 years because God is in it, it has the Holy Spirit to guide it and it cant' make a mistake, AMEN!, Empire have come and gone, but the Catholic church still stands as the largest Christian group in the world..
@dirtboy7777 I don't judge popes priets and bishops for I am a sinner. But every heretic a single pope burned at the stake, was the burning of a christina by an "infallible" organization. Just study the concordat beteewn the pope and mussolini. And all the protestants that were in jail doring the time. My shepard (Jesus) does not hold hand with a dictator like mussolini.
@medusa210562 The Catholic Church has Head( ONE SHEPARD OVER ONE FOLD) that's how Jesus set it up, You get a body with out a head, that's a dead faith or its crazy!
@medusa210562 The Jews themselves, after the fall of the Second Temple,had no complete Jewish Bible, for centuries, maybe six hundred years the Jews had the Mishnahs, the Talmudic Commentaries and other such non biblical writings, Their Mesorahs or Songs they sung, were memorized fragments of the Torah and Psalms, they sung, and from those bits they later put back together the Hebrew Bible,which also was vowel marked by Rabbis, which made them not Original Intent Scripture, but altered.
In Luther's time, he made the Catholic Church the Scapegoat , to label the Pope as the Anti Christ, while Luther himself, sought to ban books from the Bible, including Luther hated the Gospel of John, the Epistles of James and Luther added the word "Alone" in Paul's teaching about Justification by Faith ,making it say "Faith ALONE" Which Martin Luther then claimed he had Messianic Power to actually change the Bible to his doctrine, So who was the Anti Christ, the Pope or Luther ?
CarmineFragione 3 weeks ago
@CarmineFragione Great Point!! Luther Lucifer sounds kinda close to me..lol!
dirtboy7777 3 weeks ago
@CarmineFragione I don't remember the Pope runnig away from Luther fearing for his life?
medusa210562 3 weeks ago
@medusa210562 There certainly was times the Pope fled Rome to France , in the midst of the Divine Right Kings Wars over European States. You just scapegoat Catholics as a product of having been propagandized by the haters of Catholics, to bring out the worst things and make huge distortions and lies why those events happened. If I hit you , because you shot me, then you lie and say I am a bad guy for having hit you ??? What kind of Idiot are you !!! Study the real history and learn the Truth
CarmineFragione 3 weeks ago
the Vatican is one of the best organizations in the world. One of the most charitable institutions next to America. One can see the Religious Institutions in Iran and Middle East are the worst in the world, not the Catholic. This business about always making the Catholics the bad guy is Sophomoric, Adolescents think that way. Catholics are very good people, including the Pope, he is a kind and gentle Christian man, but maybe you were taught to hate people and thus you are Prejudiced
CarmineFragione 3 weeks ago
@CarmineFragione Catholics are good people my grandmother was a good catholic who love the Lord. I believe she was a saint now passes away. But vatican is the antychrist. Historically. I only know of one power that claimes so mush Godly authority and is immoral, totally immoral. And burned millions at the stake. Some humble saitly christian among these: Richard Bayfield, John Cooper, John Huss.
medusa210562 3 weeks ago
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I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THIS VERY OUTSPOKEN CARMINEFRAGIONE, IF THERE WERE INQUISITIONS WHERE POPES AND BISHOPS PHISICALLY TORTURED PEPLE. IN THE MOST ORRIFIC WAY EVER KNOWN TO MANKIND. AS TO MAKE HITLER LOOK LIKE A LAMB?
medusa210562 3 weeks ago
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medusa210562 3 weeks ago
The Sons of Hiram, Gentiles of Lebanon, some of them were partly of Jewish Origins, but for the most part, they were Free of Moses Law and Sanctions about Idol Making. So Solomon had the Stones for the Temple cut and dressed in Lebanon, and the Cedar Beams. Then on every Sunday Morning, the Gentiles came to the Temple Mount and erected the House of God, The Jews never built Solomon's Temple. When the Jews built the second Temple, it never rose to the Glory of God and the Jews failed.
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
Deuteronomy 4:15 The Jews are sanctioned apart from all other nations and tribes , to be denied the cause of making Idols, because they made the Golden Calf for Pharaoh and angered God .But in verse 19 it says " worshiping things the Lord your God HAS APPORTIONED to all the Nations under Heaven." The Gentiles built the Temple of Solomon and made numerous Idols and Carved Images of Saints, Angels and Beasts to place in the Temple of Yahweh. Catholics are the very people who build the Temple
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
Catholic Faith has no hierarchy with respect to totally committed Love of God, as the Offering in prayer & songs, to all Saints, the Disciples, to the Apostles, to Mary, to Joseph, to Paul and Peter and James,in the exact same manner of Perfect Giving, as one would Worship God who is One, The Church, the Saints the Saved, are now all One in Christ, and any Offering to whom Jesus Loves, is exactly equal to Worship of Jesus, and Worship then of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit 3=1
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
So the Churches, being Gifted by the Appearing of Christ personally to them, in Signs and Wonders, Miracles and Visitations of the Lord to the Anointing of the few, " Many are called and few are chosen" So the Elevations of Church Fathers, is not by men, but by God, through the Trinity Way, the Word, The Spirit, the Teacher ( Messiah) has to collect in One Place to Anoint the Rulers, and they have Power to Abrogate any Law of Torah to their needs, serving the Many as they serve One
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
In Two places Jesus makes the Disciples aware, they shall be Lawmakers for the Members of the Church Congregation. He tells Peter what he binds on Earth will be bound in Heaven. Jesus appears in Risen Glory to give the Holy Spirit to His chosen Disciples and they can now forgive sins, as Jesus did Himself. This Transfiguration is what the Jews are fighting against, the Living Authority of Christ in the Church to Rule by Law, in the Congregation. No one man can rule, but the Assemblies can.
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
In the New Covenant, Jesus closes the case of Moses' Law that sealed it as serving only until He, Messiah came. Once Messiah came, He took the Throne and begins to rescind any law, add any law or abrogate any law, even change the times, stop on Tuesday, and declare by Edict it is now Saturday, remitting the rest of the days as nonexistent to His Rule. So the New Covenant is a Powerful Message of New Laws, being made through the Ministry of the Church which are binding in Heaven by God.
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
If I sat on the Jury, and the Protestants tell me that the Catholic Church is not of God, then they are telling me they have Evidence, that Christ is not Risen and not Present in the Court Room To Testify, and thus everything about Jesus is Mythical and not worthy of Belief. So the Protestant Case against the Catholic Church is the Equivocation of the Bible as God and that God is only then an Absentee Landlord, and as such , the Authority must go back to the Jewish Rabbinic Tradition. Fail.
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
The Protestants have fed into the preparatory stages of Judaizing, where one must confess Jesus is not Risen and not here and thus absent, and if absent to the Church , then Jesus is not Messiah , and then all we have is the BIBLE. to Return to the Bible, means keeping the Law of Moses and denying that Jesus rose, and takes the Authority of the Law, to end the Power of Law and Jesus becomes the Law Maker in a New Covenant Way. To deny Jesus rose, means you can attack the Catholic Church
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
Given the Premise as True, Jesus rose from the dead , to give then His Corporal Power of being a Body or Temple on Earth , distributed to the Disciples in an Act of Communion, by taking the Bread and Wine in His Name, by Jesus appearing in Glory to breathe the Holy Spirit upon them, making them as gods before the people ( Exodus 4:16 "You shall be as God Yahweh to him") Given that, the Catholic Church must be Christ, and Christ must be the Capstone, with all Power to give or take away.
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
If Jesus is not Risen, then Jesus cannot appear on Earth to those He chooses to lead the Church by His very appearing ,face to face with the Disciples, just and exactly the same as shown in John 20th chapter verses 21-23 .Jesus walks through the wall, appears in Glory, breathes upon the Disciples, He Loves, and Imputes Authority of the Church on Earth to carry on the same Ministry that Jesus, sent by the Father, had done as a man walking on earth. To forgive sins or retain the sins of any.
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
The Authority of the Church came by flesh and blood Witnesses to the historical Jesus and the sight of the Risen Christ. Christians did not study Torah or Tenach to know Salvation, They were Gentile Proselytes of Jewish Messianic Witnesses, who they themselves, though being Jews, had no professional study of Torah in any Yeshiva. We are talking about God FACE TO FACE with the Apostles and Disciples of Christ, to begin a Tradition of Authoritative Ascension , where Jesus appears Personally.
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
In the Sixth Century A.D. the Jews imposed Vowel Marks on their reconstructed Hebrew Bible so that certain interpretations that could lend themselves to the teaching of the Divine Messiah, such as in Psalms 110, was misdirected by the adding of Vowel Marks to the Hebrew Consonants Letters, so the Reader would not leaven up the scripture with the actual Hebrew inflections to consider Messiah was as a High Priest, the Incarnation of Adonai to be Yahweh the Personal appearing God Savior on Earth
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
For the Jews, knowing the Law of Moses, able to memorize and recite every verse, and having a Bible or collection of Sacred Scripture, that in itself is not the Obeying of the Law. The Torah is much like our United States Constitution, which facilitates how the country in it's governance is to be run, and by whom. The Church is not to be run as a Jewish State. The Church is not to follow Judaism in keeping the Law of Moses. It is a Liberated People, whose power comes from the Messiah's Grace.
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
The Jews never built the Temple of Solomon, For one, in Deuteronomy 4 , the Jews are denied the ability to make any Idols for the Temple, and God specifically says there, that God yet gave the portion of making images and following the stars, to the Nations under Heaven , which meant it is LEGAL for non- Jews to make Idols, and so they did, The Sons of Hiram of Lebanon, hired by Solomon, built the Temple of Yahweh with Idols in it, and no Jews ever built a proper Temple for God. Repent.
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
How do people in various nations has a civil society where they know it is wrong to kill people or steal another's property ? Paul addressed the Romans with a dialog not about Jewish Law, but about Natural Law. God's Law for the Nations, is not the Sinai Covenant Law that bears also the Ten Commandments. These Ten Laws are easily referenced as guided by Natural Law, which God asserted to the Jew,that the Nations were free before God to live as natural persons in the Earth , without Judaism
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
The Bible is also the personal and sacred history of an ancient Nation , called Israel. The Nation of Israel fell in 722 B.C. and the Kingdom of Judah , limited to mostly Jewish People, also collapsed and fell in 597 B.C. The Glory of Israel by the Law of the Temple, never regained itself in Harmony with what God Yahweh demanded of the Jews, They lived in Sin and so the Temple that fell in 70 A.D. was a neglected inferior, unacceptable Temple in God's eyes. They did not keep the Law.
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
Jesus was in the tomb on Friday, half a day, He was in the tomb for two Shabbat or Sabbath Days, in a special week of Passover that was extended as having an eighth day or a repeated Saturday. The Sabbath Rest then was prolonged from 24 hours to 48 hours, repeating the day of rest, waiting for the full moon on the evening before Easter Sunrise. which occurs about every 50 years. Jesus was in the tomb half a day Sunday, So Two Sabbath Days and two half days is 72 hours, or Three Days.
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
In Jewish times, the day of the week was not in agreement or aligned with the Roman Calendar days of the week. You only supposed that Saturday is the "Seventh Day" or Sabbath, but it never was the counting of days by the Jewish Method of sighting the First Day, on the Vernal Equinox ( Easter) when the Full Moon shines the evening before and the Morning Star of Venus appears several minutes before the Sunrise, on the day of the least possible darkness. due to all this united Illuminations.
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
When the Bible speaks about the Law, it is not cherry picking out the Ten Commandments, that if you obey those ten rules, that you have satisfied God that you are Obeying His Holy Law and doing everything that Moses said God demanded of the Jews. People today do not even know that this year, the Sabbath Day or Jewish Seventh Day, has been falling on our Roman Calendar day of Tuesdays. because the Jews restart the days of the week from scratch by blowing the Trumpets for the First Day.
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
this is the incredible fact the Sola Scriptura people cannot fathom, By the Bible, there are 96 curses on the Jews and they are not Atoned For. Only then an outside Act of Mercy proceeding from the Godhead, not from the Bible, which is the source of the Curses, but from God, after the fact of the Bible, God came into the world to Atone and change the course that the Bible itself sets for Israel, that is, Dooms. So Jesus is God contradicting the Curses in the Bible by His Deeds.
CarmineFragione 1 month ago
So what does all this mean ? You either believe Jesus is God and present with us Emanuel God in the Holy Spirit and in the Eucharist, or you are only a proselyte of the Jews trying to please God by obeying the Law of Moses. which Israel critically failed to so do in any past times and cannot do today and never will. To Judge the Church by the Law is SATANIC ATTACKS , to be ACCUSERS OF THE BRETHREN, to denounce the Church, and thus they serve the Jews and the Devil Himself, Anti Christ
CarmineFragione 1 month ago
The weapon the Judaizers are using against the Catholic Church is the measure of the demands of Moses' Law, to witness the Catholics are not able to withstand the test of the Law, But neither were the Jews able. But the critical difference, is, the Jews claim to keep the Law but do not and so they are hypocrites. The Catholics are liberated from the Law of Death and Sin , and cannot then by judged by the Law of Moses, for there is One who speaks for the Church, that is Jesus Christ, who is God
CarmineFragione 1 month ago
Jesus said "You search the scriptures because you believe you have eternal life in them, but they testify of me" So, the Scriptures are a Cursed Story of the Fall of Israel and the Old Man Israel is dead and gone. But God has come down from Heaven ,to undo the 96 Curses God imputed as the Law of Moses against Israel, taking the Curses upon Himself, taking the Death required and Rising up to be then the New Law of Himself, What Jesus says is Liberty , is then the Law Abrogated to the Church
CarmineFragione 1 month ago
the Bible Alone is totally and utterly worthless. The Bible is just what it is, a Book. The Bible does not prove Jesus is God, God appeared on Earth as Jesus Christ to prove firsthand to witnesses , that Jesus is God and God is then affirming by an agreement to then cause to pass the Bible to be Fulfilled, or made to be the Truth. Jesus causes the Bible to come true, not the other way around. Jesus is here, He is Risen, He is the Church and He is the Capstone of the Church.
CarmineFragione 1 month ago
Now, if the real Power of God is not the Bible, so that the Bible is one witness to prove God is appearing in the world and rules by His Providence. Then as a Christian, do you look to Jesus Christ to appear to you personally to save you , or do you only agree if you can make a doctrinal study from the Bible ? On the one hand , if God appears to you, that is a challenge of faith to believe it. But if God never appears to you, you have no proof that there is even any God at all.
CarmineFragione 1 month ago
Say on the one hand Jesus appears to the Saints of the Church to give them Grace, and on the other hand, someone who is a Bible authority is teaching you to stone people to death for their sins, as the Law clearly demands you obey it. Do you obey the Bible as you literally read it, or do you obey Jesus Christ as the Risen Lord and your God, who appears to you to instruct you in the Way. Who do you believe ? Is the Bible "God on Earth" ? Or is the Bible secondary to Christ Himself ?
CarmineFragione 1 month ago
@CarmineFragione Satan can appear in the from of angles and say what ever he wants. The sola Scriptura is there fro a very good reason. No vision can go against it so that I my not be deceived
medusa210562 1 month ago
What is really the Faith is the Resurrection of Christ to prove God is Truth, and that Jesus is God. Beyond this, to then use the Bible as the Authority , leads to the inescapable conclusion that we do not really believe Jesus is God and rose from the dead. What takes faith is not believing the Bible, but believing Jesus is God and that He rose. If Jesus be Risen, then Jesus is fully God all the time and the Bible is one witness , not a magical book ,but a written witness that Jesus is God
CarmineFragione 1 month ago
@CarmineFragione The bible does not cortradict God. Ever
medusa210562 1 month ago
@medusa210562 In the Book of Lamentations, chapter two, The Word of God says the Lord God tore down Jerusalem's walls, the altar of God and ended the Law. Thus the Bible says the Law is ended. The Jews have never restored the Kingdom, nor have the Jews ever kept the Torah Law, they have rationalized parts of the Law to make a modern Religion that is utterly Fake ! And all this contradicts your belief that you can find Salvation by following the Law in the Bible. Repent. Jesus is the Law
CarmineFragione 1 month ago
@CarmineFragione Does it say ended the law? The ten comandaments never ended. "who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin." Romans 7 25 Faith and obedience must work simmutaneosly, as a responce to Grace. Grace is what Jesus did on the cross. Grace is a gift. Grace is not magic like some other protestant seem to explaine it. But catholic mostly have no openion.
medusa210562 1 month ago
@medusa210562 Yes the Book of Lamentations literally says that as God destroyed Jerusalem, destroyed the Sanctuary and tore down the walls, that in all aspects of the Religion of the Jewish State, the Law of Moses came to the end. The End of the Law means God has interceded to either complete the Law, or suspend the Law , like freezing time in suspension. No man can obey God's Law, because it is not just the Ten Commandments, it is the entire Behavior and Method of the Temple and Sacrifice
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
@CarmineFragione 1) man cannot obbey the law. Not because it is not just the 10 Commandments. Man just cannot obbey the law. That is why he needs to be covered by grace. 2) Romans 7: is talking about "you shall not covet" that is in the 10 comadamets. 3} the condemnation of the law was done away with not the law. Hebrew and revelation tell us of the hevenly santuary. and yes the 613 earthly garvening laws are not there but the 10 camandaments are. These were indide the ark.
medusa210562 4 weeks ago
@CarmineFragione these were inside the ark not outside the ark in the scroll of moses.
medusa210562 4 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Pauls letter to the Romans is based on Natural Law, not a intellectual knowledge of the Jewish Religious Law of Moses, for the Romans, the early Christians had no idea about Jewish Religion. So you made an error. Paul speaks about Nature and Natural Affection, being what the Gentiles understood as "God's Law" as respecting "Natural Affections" not the critical knowledge of the Torah Law. which few people ever seen a Bible, never mind understood the Religion of the Jews.
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
@CarmineFragione The early christians were a continuation of jewdaism. manus the sacrificial law. Collosians 2 proves this. They are celebrating fests which were a a shoddow OF THINGS TO COME. not of things that were to come. And Paul tald them not to worry about people judgning them. Also you can see from the story in acts 10:14 that Peter didn't eat unclean animals. which is unhealthy. And if you study the all story surely he was glad he didn't hav to ever eat unclean animals.
medusa210562 4 weeks ago
@medusa210562 You are very wrong, the Early Christians had no Bible, not for several centuries. They had some letters, but the Churches were run first hand by Eye Witnesses to the Resurrection of Christ, and what they Orally Taught in the Churches, were their own Doctrines, which came under reproof by the Doctrinal Letters of Paul, Peter ,James ,etc. So the Christian Martyrs had no Scripture at all, of the Torah and Tenanch by which to find Salvation , They had the Witnesses to believe
CarmineFragione 4 weeks ago
@CarmineFragione the early church had the old testament, Acts 17:11 And had the writing of the apostle and John. Of course the church of Rome soon became corrupted. It cominated this corruption with the very worst seen in the inquisitions, while true christianity was continued by a few. Do you know even during mussolini in Italy there were protestants in jail. While the catholic church was favored with the pact. "the concordate" il concordato.
medusa210562 3 weeks ago
@medusa210562 I believe many catholics are saved christian, as they love Jesus according to the knowledge they have. My grandmother was a good catholic, praying day and night. BUT THE VATICAN IS THE MOST EVEL ENTITY ON THIS EARTH. AFTER THE SPIRIT OF DARKNESS OF PRINCE OF DARKNESS.
medusa210562 3 weeks ago
@medusa210562 You can not betray Peter because of Judith! You do not turn your back on the Church because of a man made mistake outside of the Church. If you go by that then you shouldn't go to Church period.... There are Bad people in every Group, don't think for one minute Just because People become Protestant there perfect, bu no Protestant look at that..
dirtboy7777 3 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 I am not blaming any man no popes no bishops I am a sinner myself. But the catholich churhc claimes a succession of infallible Popes (papacy). How can this infallible papacy have 600 years of heretics inquisitons?
medusa210562 3 weeks ago
@medusa210562 The Catholic Church has a Right by Faith in Christ to establish Church Law for their own Church, and you have no right as an outsider to deny them that Liberty. You are acting as an outside Accuser of the Brethren, but will not help the Catholics and use them as cannon fodder. The Infallibility of the Pope, is only with the Church Law for those who by their Faith continue with the Church, Read John 6 and see how Jesus abrogated the flesh and blood lesson for those who grumbled.
CarmineFragione 3 weeks ago
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@CarmineFragione I am not blaming any man no popes no bishops I am a sinner myself. But the catholich churhc claimes a succession of infallible Popes (papacy). How can this infallible papacy have 600 years of heretics inquisitons?
medusa210562 3 weeks ago
@medusa210562 In John's Gospel, chapter six, Jesus introduces the Divinity of His Flesh and Blood as a Sacrament, but the Jews grumbled and then the Disciples of Christ also grumbled at Him ,saying "who can accept this ?" So to accommodate the lack of faith , Jesus abrogates the lesson to say " The Spirit gives life and the Flesh accounts for nothing" Jesus did this to show His Leverage to vary the teaching from Church to Church, yet some will not believe in Him, Jesus said.
CarmineFragione 3 weeks ago
@CarmineFragione Jesus intorduces the Divinity Of His flesh and Blood as a Sacrament. Please stop talking catholic rubish. The catholic church is the only church that relies on the flash and works. The only church tha kept doing what the fareesees invented. Not moses. Flaggillation. Nuns in complite seclution. Filippino catholic nailing their hand at easte. Pennace. the priest used to say to me how many hailmaries I hav to say. As if the number of praiers could make the difference.
medusa210562 3 weeks ago
@medusa210562 The Inquisition was run by agents of the Catholic Church ,but was done at the behest of the King of Spain ,as a consequence of a long protracted invasion of Islam into Europe, where the old school Jews, the Sephardic Jews were murdered by the new Ashkanazi Jews who brought the Babylonian Talmud into Europe to force upon Jewry, and those new Jews fought with the Islamic Army in a War against Jesus Christ, When will you learn the truth, the Jews are Anti Christ because of the Talmud
CarmineFragione 3 weeks ago
@CarmineFragione The word sacrament as used by the catholic church referese to a set of doctrine I call magic. The bible is about the responce of the heart to the Holy Spirit. Sacraments are magic acts. Baptisim of infants. Trambsustatiation, In the Mass the catholics are continuing the sacrifices which the book of hebew says that ended. Why do yo need an alter. Why do you need a Prist. Isn't a pulpit and a pastor good enough. You are still carring on alter sacrifices.
medusa210562 3 weeks ago
@medusa210562 We still do all that one of the reasons is so my sons will know what we did. Understand? Sacrament is a channel for which got uses to touch u. Now a pulpit is and pastor is not good enough, That makes him center, Jesus Christ is center. its not all about the preachers sermon. its going before the alter and receivingJesus every time, we Catholics give thanks, Jesus didn't say preach in remembrance of me he said take this bread (My body) take this wine (My blood)
dirtboy7777 3 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 The pastor just spends more time and takes more works on his sholders. But we are ordained by the holy spirits not by sinfull man.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 You are not of apostolic succession, You can't just start giving people ability when you don't have it yourself,
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 I have apostolic succesion, it is spiritual. The church is spiritual and invisible as the catholic cread says. And treu christians grow in knowledge. Apostolic succesion as the Catholic likes it, is complete OPPRESSION OF CONCIENCE. I have apostolic succsion so you cannot think, and you must obbey me. Galileo Galilei was scared to tell the earth moves. THAT IS ENOUGH FOR ME
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 In one holy catholic and apostolic Church; we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins;( Part of the Creed!) well if you want to go by the creed now, The creed does not say Apostolic means spiritual. You should actually look up what Apostolic Succession is.You would have to be RC or Greek Orthodox to trace your roots back to the time of Jesus. And I don't obey idiots,,sorry! The Curch was built on men. as the bible says..
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Tit 1:5 - commission for bishops to ordain priests,Jn 15;16 - Jesus chose special men to be his Apostles,Jn 20:21 - Jesus gave the Apostles his own mission ,Lk 22:32, Jn 21:17 - Peter appointed to be chief shepherd,1Tim 3:1, 8; 5:17 - identifies roles of bishops, priests, deacons Eph 4;11 - church leaders are hierarchical,1Tim 3:15 - Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 It is all very simple, The catholic church would like to stop any kind of freedom of conscience. If I cannot interpret the bible I must submit myself to some sinful man. In this case, the Vatican who would like to burn the heretics, As I said the pope burned people in the inquisition of heretics.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 ( 2Pet 1:20 - no prophecy is a matter of private interpretation ), Its in the Bible You can't interpret the bible by yourself, can you read?
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 This succesion was based on the spiritual growth of the individuals. The succesion was about trueth. There church of rome became the most corrupted entity in history how do you call that succession.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Where does it say that where is it in the bible that anyone can interpret the bible? Did you ever hear of Holy orders, I gave you a lot of Bible to back what I say up, but you cant give me nothing besides your own private interpretation..You have to be the dumbest religious guy I spoke with on here.
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 10And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. ACTS 10:11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. YOU SEE THERE IS NO OPPRESSION OF CONSCIENCE IN THE BIBLE.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Apostolic Succession
2 Chr 19:11 - high priest is over you in everything of Lord's
Mal 2:7 - seek instruction from priest, he is God's messenger
Eph 2:20 - Church built upon foundation of apostles & prophets
Eph 4:11 - God gave some as apostles, others as prophets...1 Cor 12:28-29 - God designated in church: apostles, ...Acts 1:20 - let another take his office
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
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@dirtboy7777 2 Chr 19:11 - high priest is over you in everything of Lord's
Mal 2:7 - seek instruction from priest, he is God's messenger
Eph 2:20 - Church built upon foundation of apostles & prophets
Eph 4:11 - God gave some as apostles, others as prophets...1 Cor 12:28-29 - God designated in church: apostles, ...Acts 1:20 - let another take his office ALL THIS APPLY TO MY CATHOLIC CHURCH. IT COULDN'T POSSIPLY APPLY TO THE CORRUPTED CHURCH OF ROME
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Acts 1:25-26 - Matthias takes Judas' apostolic ministry
1 Tim 3:1, 8; 5:17 - qualifications for: bishops, priests, & deacons
1Tim 4:14 - gift conferred with the laying on of hands
1Tim 5:22 - do not lay hands too readily on anyone
Acts 14:23 - they appointed presbyters in each church
2Tim 2:2 - what you heard from me entrust to faithful teachers,Titus 1:5 - appoint presbyters in every town, as I directed
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
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@dirtboy7777 1 Tim 3:1, 8; 5:17 - qualifications for: bishops, priests, & deacons
1Tim 4:14 - gift conferred with the laying on of hands
1Tim 5:22 - do not lay hands too readily on anyone
Acts 14:23 - they appointed presbyters in each church
2Tim 2:2 - what you heard from me entrust to faithful teachers,Titus 1:5 - appoint presbyters in every town, as I directed ALL THIS APPLYES TO MY PROTESTANT CHURCH.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 You are an idiot, Protestantism wasn't even a thought..
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
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@dirtboy7777 20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. THE HOLY SPIRIT INTERPRETS PROPHECY FOR US NOT SINFUL CATHOLIC BISHOPS.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 Richard Bayfield
John Cooper
John Hooper
John Huss
Hugh Latimer
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 As I said Galileo galilei, was scared to say that the eart moves. Oppression of conscience. John Hus was burned at the stake Oppression of conscience. The list goes on and on.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 I don't judge man. But the fact remains even one mistake where the all vatican was in agreement, even one protestant reformer burned at the stake when the all vatican was in agreement showes that the papacy is not infallible
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 I've explained the pope to you already, I'm not doing it again. I guess all you Protestants are perfect out there..
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 Some popes were good people. but the Vatican or the Papacy as you want to call it is not infallible
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 The are and have been infallible when addressing the the body of the church!! If they talk about how they think the economy is outside of the church, yes they can be Fallible. They are sinners just like you and me..No body gets handed a pefect bill of life because the a Pope or Pastor or Minister..Why can't you understand that, I know there were some scum ball Popes, but that doesn't make me turn away from the truth.
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 The roman church is fallible. I am not judging popes and people I am a sinner too. The inquisitions were wrong. New Catholics like to they don't worship saints. What what did people do when they were on their knees canting the names of saints until their knees were bleeding. People who travel all the world to go to see crying statues. Indulgences for even the dead. when we die our faith is sealed. The omission of the second commandment, exodus 20:4-6.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 .If you went along with what your saying there shouldn't be any churches.
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
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@dirtboy7777 Richard Bayfield John Cooper John Hooper John Huss Hugh Latimer
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. THE HOLY SPIRIT INTERPRETS PROPHECY FOR US NOT SINFUL CATHOLIC BISHOPS.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 and do this in remembrance of me, He didn't say this was a symbol of or anything like that, he just said to do it.. The bible also say if you hand hand offends you cut it off, if your eye offends you gouge it out, I bet you don't do that now do ya?
dirtboy7777 3 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 in regard to transubstantiation. The bible is clear. with the new covenant sacrifices finished alters and priest fineshed. therefore the ucarist is not a catholic sacrament. (invention of man) it is the individual excepting the sacrificed boby of Jesus at calvary. there was one sacrifice for ever. It is sacriligious idolatry to still have an alther and carry on a sacrifice.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Show me Bible..
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 the old testament law of moses was a theocracy. Yes if we had a religious theocracy I would follow all the law of moses. Now I give to caesar what belongs to caesar. So the Pope did cut of eyes and gouge them out when he practices his theocracy in the dark ages, and he will do it again. I am under governmants. And their laws untill they don't persecute me as the pope would like to do. As he killed many protestant martirs
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@CarmineFragione Jesus said "do this in memory of me" If the heart is convicted the Holy Spirit is heard and the heart changes. Non of this magic of the ucarint becaming actual flash. Infants being saved when they don't need to be saved. Prayers for the dead. Indugences even in form of money. Magic Magic Magic
medusa210562 3 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Yes all of us are sinners agreed.. Here the deal of what Catholics follow. When the Pope addresses the whole body of the Church, he has to speak infaliable without a Mistake,because he is guided by the HolySpirit. Just as your Pastor cant say its ok to smoke weed at your Church and talk fallible, If not going by your own guide line you would not be able to any Church.The churchis made of sinners. The church didnt mess up a person did, Dont betray Peter cause of Judith
dirtboy7777 3 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 When the pastor says it is not ok to smoke weed. All who agree can keep on staying in the church does how don't will not be burned at the stake.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 I would assume you dont belive in Mortal and Beinal sin as ever other Protestant I know, So stealing a piece of Gum is no different then stealing a car, Right? So what make you or your Pastor any different than a bad Pope..Going by You belief..
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 Stilling a piece of bum in not like stilling a car. But only God knows the heart. In the old testament you got stoned for breaking the Sabbath for killing and for stilling. For catholic not going to church on Sunday will never be a big sin. All this because Catholicism is man made. The theocrasy of the israelites was perfect as it was dectated by God.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Catholic , belief of not going to church on Sundays is a Mortal sin. Try to figure out what you wrote seems like you must have been on something writing this one
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 I lived in Italy Even the most fervent catholics go to mass on sunday morning and then go to watch soccer, sunday afternoon. this is a human invention. You can do good on the sabbath. As Jesus thought. But to go and watch soccer. and bet money on it? how come the pope doesn't say anything about it.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Out of the 12 one of them was the devil, you don't turn your back to the Apostles now do you? You can not criticize Catholic theology when you you don't understand it. My advice to you would be go and find a good catholic that know their faith, Have an open heart and mind. And listen to what we really believe. They say you'll find 100 people who hate the Catholic for what they think it believes and you wont' find 7 who hate it for what the know it believes.
dirtboy7777 3 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 You argue with me but you will never care about (for example) that the catholics are happy with 100 madonnas. they even have a black one.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 I could say that Protestantism Have 500 years of false teaching. There are 38,000+ different denominations of Protestant groups and only one Holy Catholic Church. Jesus knew something was going to happen he pray to God the we become one. How can we become 1 if you guys keep splitting apart? Denomination are not the Church you are a group that denominated away from the Church. The Catholic Church is not a denomination.. You understand that? Its THE CHURCH!
dirtboy7777 3 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 I ruther have 38000 different denominaions then be burned at the stake for reading the bible.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 You are judging, doesn't it say Thou shall not judge.. Who are you to say if someone burns at the stake?
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 The catholic church has practiced many inquisitions. But the one I would like to talk about in particular is the inquisitions of heretics. In other wards people like me, People who love Jesus.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 People like you are complete idiots, and don't understand or can't grasp the concept of history or the Bible, You just said in another post the Pope can burn at the stake, you are contradictory to Christian Belief, You should be thanking the Catholic Church, because of them You even have a bible..
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Different is against what Jesus wanted, We are to be of one think, He even prayed that we are one. You cant do that if Protestantism keep making new groups..There are 38,000 different catholic Churches and only one Holy Catholic Church that honors the seat of Peter..
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 I don't ever remember catholic being like one. The catholic church is only concerned with the number of their membership. It doesn't not stop them form worshiping saints.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 are you retarded? Do you even know what the word Catholic means?? It came from two words Kalph Oahlos ,(on the whole), universal, This means anywhere and everywhere if you believe in Jesus its the same way, 1Cor 1:10 - I urge that there be no divisions among you,Phil 2:2 - be of same mind, united in heart thinking one thing,Jn 17:17-23 - I pray that they may be one, as we are one,Rom 12:5 - we, though many, are one body in Christ
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Col 3:15 - the peace into which you were called in one body,( I'm sorry but the only Christian body that was around was Catholic.) Mt 16:18-19 - upon this rock I will build my Church (singular),Mt 18:17 - tell it to THE Church; if he refuses to listen even to THE Church... (must be visible) Jn 10:16 - there will be one fold and one shepherd, And this is a big one,Rom 16:17 - avoid those who create dissensions
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 the rock is Jesus.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Jesus spoke Aramaic if you looked into history his town he grew up in was mostly Aramaic speaking community, Primacy of Peter Mt 16:18 - upon this rock (Peter) I will build my churchMt 16;19 - give you keys of the kingdom; power to bind & looseLk 22:32 - Peter's faith will strengthen his brethrenJn 21:17 - given Christ's flock as chief shepherdMk 16:7 - angel sent to announce Resurrection to Peter
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 the new testament was written in Greek not aramaic
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 what it was written in and what was spoke are two different things, the bible was writing almost 400 years after Christ in 397AD and was compiled by the Catholic Monks, before this there was no bible,, Your welcome!
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 The bible was the old testament. And every letter as received by small churches from disciples and apostles was the knew testament. As I said some Catholics were saints as they loved Jesus according to what they knew. Not the Vatican that killed millions for reading the bible. And they would like to take it away from me now. by force if they could.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Aramaic in the New Testament
"We know that Jesus spoke Aramaic because some of his words are preserved for us in the Gospels. Look at Matthew 27:46, where he says from the cross, ‘Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?’ That isn’t Greek; it’s Aramaic, and it means, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 What’s more," I said, "in Paul’s epistles—four times in Galatians and four times in 1 Corinthians—we have the Aramaic form of Simon’s new name preserved for us. In our English Bibles it comes out as Cephas. That isn’t Greek. That’s a transliteration of the Aramaic word Kepha (rendered as Kephas in its Hellenistic form)
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 "And what does Kepha mean? It means a rock, the same as petra. (It doesn’t mean a little stone or a pebble. What Jesus said to Simon in Matthew 16:18 was this: ‘You are Kepha, and on thiskepha I will build my Church.’
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 I didn't say jesus didn't speak aramic. read carefull what I said.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
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@medusa210562 I check my email comments YOU said Jesus is rock. If your agreeing with me now about him him speaking Aramaic, In Aramaic Jesus would have called Peter Kepha which only would mean Rock.Matthew 16:18 was this: ‘You are Kepha, and on this kepha I will build my Church.’ The Bible was done in Greek because it was the popular language, but not what Jesus himself spoke. He gave him the Keys,not the whole world.. Just look at it with 3rd grade grammar and its easy to see
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@medusa210562 "When you understand what the Aramaic says, you see that Jesus was equating Simon and the rock; he wasn’t contrasting them. We see this vividly in some modern English translations, which render the verse this way: ‘You are Rock, and upon this rock I will build my church.’ In French one word, pierre, has always been used both for Simon’s new name and for the rock."
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Beyond the grammatical evidence, the structure of the narrative does not allow for a downplaying of Peter’s role in the Church. Look at the way Matthew 16:15-19 is structured. After Peter gives a confession about the identity of Jesus, the Lord does the same in return for Peter. Jesus does not say, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 And I tell you, you are an insignificant pebble and on this rock I will build my Church. . . . I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven." Jesus is giving Peter a three-fold blessing, including the gift of the keys to the kingdom, not undermining his authority. To say that Jesus is downplaying Peter flies in the face of the context. Jesus is installing Peter as a form of chief steward or prime minister under theKingofKings by giving him the keys tothekingdom.
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 As can be seen in Isaiah 22:22, kings in the Old Testament appointed a chief steward to serve under them in a position of great authority to rule over the inhabitants of the kingdom. Jesus quotes almost verbatum from this passage in Isaiah, and so it is clear what he has in mind.
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 e is raising Peter up as a father figure to the household of faith (Is. 22:21), to lead them and guide the flock (John 21:15-17). This authority of the prime minister under the king was passed on from one man to another down through the ages by the giving of the keys, which were worn on the shoulder as a sign of authority. Likewise, the authority of Peter has been passed down for 2000 years by means of the papacy.
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Lk 24:34 - risen Jesus first appeared to PeterActs 1:13-26 - headed meeting which elected MatthiasActs 2:14 - led Apostles in preaching on PentecostActs 2:41 - received first convertsActs 3:6-7 - performed first miracle after PentecostActs 5:1-11 - inflicted first punishment: Ananias & SaphiraActs 8:21 - excommunicated first heretic, Simon Magnus
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 acts 10:26 proves peter was not catholic
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 How does this prove Peter was not Catholic? You can't take one single verse alone.. Peter often, (like Jesus being Baptized) always wanted to be humble and show he with with the people..It doesn't mean that he wasn't head Spiritual Father.
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 Even if apostolic succession is biblical. I don't believe it is. this succession would not belong to a powerful (scary) political religious power that I believe it the historical Antichrist. I will give you one example of the true church. the Waldensian
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
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@medusa210562 So if your agreeing it is biblical, and I more than showed you enough verses in the bible. I agree that there were some that abused the power in there action out of the Church, but when addressing the church they Matthew 16:18 was this: ‘You are Kepha, and on thiskepha I will build my Church.’ the teachings remained the same. There was a lot of great Popes, If Apostolic succession is biblical and that's really the process that Jesus intended Why does that bother YOU?
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@medusa210562 Every Church is filled with people, people whether their Pastors or not Make mistakes. You your self said your a sinner, like the rest of us. No one that is Catholic said the pope was sin free. He is a man, that was appointed threw apostolic succession to teach the faith, It doesn't mean he gets a free pass, Please try and understand what I'm saying. You have to approach this with an open mind.
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@dirtboy7777 for goodness sake how many times do I have to tell you I am not judging the pope or the priest or the catholic person. haven't you read what I wrote!!!!!
but the INFALLIBLE ORGANIZATION, PAPACY-VATICAN CALLS ITSELF INFALLIBLE BUT BURNS PEOPLE AT THE STAKE. ESTABLISHES INQUISITIONS FOR THE HERETICS. AND HAS NOT ONE DOCTRINE THAT AGREES WITH THE SCRIPTURES!!!!!!
medusa210562 1 week ago
@medusa210562 I haven't burn anyone at the stake, Niether has my priest or any of the recent Popes that I know of. By what your stating is we all do that, that is inaccurate. When is the last time A Pope burn someone at the stake and I mean the Pope himself.
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@medusa210562 I have given you You over 50-70 verses out of the Bible, not counting explaining some of them in great detail, supporting Catholic Beliefs, Catholics are very Scriptural. And you seem to dodge all the main points I make. The only thing you can really say is is Popes are bad..
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@medusa210562 The Catholic Church has been Infallible when when addressing the Church in teaching the the Faith. what some of these bad Pope, Bishops, Priests and Catholic people have down outside of the Church was wrong and I agree, but you don't walk away from the truth that Jesus Established. You think everyone in you church group is perfect? You think your perfect? I really don't think you are capable of comprehending the bible at all.
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@dirtboy7777 REJECTION OF TRANSUBSTANTIATION WAS MADE A CAPITAL CRIME, This alone tells me that all the texts that you have given me apply spiritually to make honest pastors the succession of the disciples. the succession mast be spiritual Read Acts 20: 29 30 the savage wolves was the church of Rome. THE TRUE CHURCH WAS THE MODEST PERSECUTED CHRISTIANS BURNED AT THE STAKE FOR NOT BELIEVING IN TRANSUBSTANTIATION. Read Acts 20:29-30 carefully
medusa210562 1 week ago
@medusa210562 You have got to Know when Popes, Priest are to speak infallible and when they aren't required to. Till then you are going to beat your self in the head, because to the majority of Christians ( The Catholic Church is the largest ) you sound uneducated about the bible ( Catholic Belief ) period. I can and have shown you scripture supporting Catholic Theology and really really haven't shown me nothing , but your opinion or should I say PRIVATE INTERPRETATION...
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@medusa210562 Infallible Church
Jn 16:13 - guided by Holy Spirit into all truth
Jn 14:26 - Holy Spirit to teach & remind them of everything
Lk 10:16 - speak with Christ's own voice
1Tim 3:15 - Church called "pillar and foundation of truth"
1Jn 2:27 - anointing of Holy Spirit remains in you
Acts 15:28 - Apostles speak with voice of Holy Spirit
Mt 28:20 - I am with you
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@medusa210562 Perpetual Church
Is 9:6-7 - of Christ's government there will be no end
Dan 2:44 - God's kingdom shall stand forever
Dan 7:14 - His kingdom shall not be destroyed
Eph 3:21 - to him be glory in the church to all generations for ever & ever
Lk 1:32, 33 - no end to Christ's kingdom
Mt 7:24 - Jesus is like a wise man who built his house on a rock
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@medusa210562 Mt 13:24-30 - let wheat & weeds grow together until harvest
Mt 16:18 - gates of hell will never prevail against Christ's church
Jn 14:16 - Holy Spirit will be with you always
Mt 28:19-20 - I am with you all days
Just some more Bible for ya,
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@medusa210562 Authoritative Church
Mt 28:18-20 - Jesus delegates all power to Apostles
Jn 20:23 - power to forgive sin
1Cor 11:23-24 - power to offer sacrifice (Eucharist)
Lk 10:16 - power to speak with Christ's voice
Mt 18:18 - power to legislate
Mt 18:17 - power to discipline
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@medusa210562 The Church must be one
1Cor 1:10 - I urge that there be no divisions among you
You are a Division, A denomination, Denomination meaning you would have had to break away from the true church, The Catholic Church is not a Denomination, Its THE CHURCH!
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@dirtboy7777 Yes read acts 20:29,30 carefully "wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves. So the people that eventually followed the law that"rejection of transubstantiation was made a capital crime" the catholic church and burned millions for not believing in transubstantiation were the wolves. the people burned the modest minority were the church.
medusa210562 1 week ago
@dirtboy7777 Galatians 1:6 to 9 tells us that if someone preaches a gospel different from the apostles they are "under God’s curse!" AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OPENLY TEACHES NOT SCRIPTURES ALONE, BUT WHAT WE HAVE CONTRIBUTED TRUE TRADITION.
medusa210562 1 week ago
@dirtboy7777 was the church one when people were afraid for their lives?
medusa210562 1 week ago
@medusa210562 Mt 18:17 - tell it to THE Church; if he refuses to listen even to THE Church... (must be visible)
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@dirtboy7777 pharisees had reasons to be successors of Moses. Jesus points out the adherence to scripture was what they failed to do. 1 CORINTHIANS 11:20-23 IS AN ABBOMINATION HOW YOU USE IT. HENCE THE DIABOLIC DOCTRINE OF TANBSUSTATIATION. READ HEBREW 10:10 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ ONES AND FOR ALL. Alters and sacrifices are a thing of the past now the accept Christ's sacrifice IN OUR HEART AS A MEMORIAL.
medusa210562 1 week ago
@dirtboy7777 READ HEBREW 10:10 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ ONES AND FOR ALL. Alters and sacrifices are a thing of the past now the accept Christ's sacrifice IN OUR HEARTS AS A MEMORIAL. "do this in remembrance of me" A REMEMBRANCE. THIS IS NOT TRANSUBSTANTIATION.
medusa210562 1 week ago
@dirtboy7777 The church is invisible because even among catholic some are true Christians some are not. That is what I believe. Some popes were saints Some were lost sinners until they died. Only God knows the true church. As far as denomination. the catholic organization is the worst one.
medusa210562 1 week ago
@medusa210562 Now This one proves you don't know what your talking, The church is not invisible, It is a visible body..A denomination is a group that broke away from the original, The Catholic Church is the First,only and oldest Church that dates back to the time of Jesus, It is not a denomination its the original Church. Historical fact! It didn't denominate away from anything, look it up. Historically show me where and who the Catholic Church broke away from, You can't!
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@medusa210562 Mt 18:17 - tell it to THE Church; if he refuses to listen even to THE Church... (must be visible) DID you not read this when I sent it before? Does it make sense to you to see it spelled out? Tell it to the Church!!, Listen to the Church!! Find it in the bible where is says the church must be invisible... Then we all shouldn't be going cause it would exist no where...
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@dirtboy7777 you are 100% right the church is visible, for goodness sake people are not ghosts. I think it is you who refuses to read what I wrote not the other way around. I repeat what I said the church is invisible. When Jesus returns one bishops will be saved and one will not.
medusa210562 1 week ago
@medusa210562 The mistake right here is you said I don't believe it is,( meaning you) This is private interpretation, Bible says for this not to happen.,
dirtboy7777 1 week ago
@dirtboy7777 I am glad I don't understand you sometimes, cause I am not sure you are honest with yourself.
medusa210562 1 week ago
@medusa210562 Gal 1:18 - after conversion, Paul visits chief Apostle ( PETER)
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 Gal 1:18 - after conversion, Paul visits chief Apostle ( PETER) where does it say chief apostle?
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas[a] and stayed with him fifteen days. NIV version, Cephas, which means Rock, no other Apostle got called this.
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 John 21:17
New King James Version (NKJV)
17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of Jonah,[a] do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?”
And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.”
Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep. ( WHY didn't he say this to the rest of the boys, he only said this to Peter..
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Acts 10:44-46 - received revelation to admit Gentiles into Church
Acts 15:7 - led first council in Jerusalem
Acts 15:19 - pronounces first dogmatic decision
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Peter's name always heads list of Apostles: Mt 10;14; Mk 3:16-19; Lk 6:14-16; Acts 1:13
"Peter and his companions" Lk 9:32; Mk 16:7
Spoke for Apostles - Mt 18:21; Mk 8:29; Lk 8:45; 12:41; Jn 6:69
Peter's name occurs 195 times, more than all the rest put together
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 We find Paul refers to Peter as Kepha, (ROCK) Jesus gave Gave Peter they Keys to the kingdom.. If Jesus was the Rock as you say, why didn't he keep the keys?? The Church was not built on the confession, it was built on men, (Eph 2:20 - Church built upon foundation of apostles & prophets) It says the apostles and Prophets.. Those are men!!..
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 KEPHA, sorry the knew testament was written in Greek. It is a well known fact that this was a catholic invention. And what ever keys Jesus gave to peter he gives to me, spiritually Eph 2:20 applies to my protestant church, It couldn't possibly apply to the church that burned john hus. wanted to burn martin luther and the list goes on and on
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Eph 4:3-6 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Listen, we don't worship saints!! We honor them and ask them to inter-seed for us..Why don't you get that? Its in the bible,om 15:30 - join me by your prayers to God on my behalf
Col 4:3, 1Thess 5:25 - pray for us
2Thess 1:11 - we always pray for you
2Thess 3:1 - finally, brothers, pray for us
Eph 6:18-19 - making supplication for all the saints & for me
dirtboy7777 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Through all the Bad Popes, Priests and Bishops, it is still here after 2,000 years because God is in it, it has the Holy Spirit to guide it and it cant' make a mistake, AMEN!, Empire have come and gone, but the Catholic church still stands as the largest Christian group in the world..
dirtboy7777 3 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 I don't judge popes priets and bishops for I am a sinner. But every heretic a single pope burned at the stake, was the burning of a christina by an "infallible" organization. Just study the concordat beteewn the pope and mussolini. And all the protestants that were in jail doring the time. My shepard (Jesus) does not hold hand with a dictator like mussolini.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 The Catholic Church has Head( ONE SHEPARD OVER ONE FOLD) that's how Jesus set it up, You get a body with out a head, that's a dead faith or its crazy!
dirtboy7777 3 weeks ago
@dirtboy7777 Jesus is my shepard
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 The Jews themselves, after the fall of the Second Temple,had no complete Jewish Bible, for centuries, maybe six hundred years the Jews had the Mishnahs, the Talmudic Commentaries and other such non biblical writings, Their Mesorahs or Songs they sung, were memorized fragments of the Torah and Psalms, they sung, and from those bits they later put back together the Hebrew Bible,which also was vowel marked by Rabbis, which made them not Original Intent Scripture, but altered.
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