find it difficult to believe this would be very effective for a long period, the amount of energy required must be phenominal. Perhaps a layer of piezo electric material that when compressed, uses the energy from the attacking object to harden a layer of magnetic filings using an electromagnet?
one step closer to star trek i suppose but one woudl think being inside that vehicle or near such a powerful EMF might not be good for health, course RPG's are not so healthy a thing to be around either, just remember sometimes the war is won but the soldiers do not necessarily end up OK, agent orange worked but it was not good stuff to be around.
I am thinking that thing is the ultamte Taser! lol
@MrRichardDude hydraulics work on the whole basis of not being able to compress water. besides that, water would make excellent armor without having to be compressed, but how would you use it as armor? sure... you could just have barrels of water surrounding your tank, but those barrels would only be good for one shot, unless you could find a way to keep the water from draining out of a 5 foot in diameter hole.
@MrRichardDude It's a good thought, but the physics just don't work out. Modern small arms accelerate the bullet with10-50k PSI over 12-24 inches. Slowing it down over 1-2 inches is going to take something of substantially higher pressure.
Take a look at 'shear thickening' and other 'non-newtonian fluids'. They, in addition to high tensile strength fibers like kevlar and zylon, can combine to make flexible but effective bullet-resistant products.
Read the Wikipedia post above people. And no, this is NOT explosive reactive armor which has been in use for decades and is useless against kinetic energy penetrators. ERA (Explosive Reactive Armor) disrupts the column of plasma and metal formed by a HEAT round. Penetrators like those fired by 120-125mm tank main guns blow through this armor like it's not there. Electrical reactive armor can disrupt HEAT rounds or partially vaporize kinetic energy penetrators reducing their effectiveness.
@MrRichardDude first of all you can't compress water & then there is the weight issue for any other substance, doesn't matter how much you compress something for density it's not going to make it lighter.
@panzermacher Is ballistic gel compressible ? maybe if you compress it to 15-20 times it's density and give it a skin made of the fancy liquid armor , you may get a good product
@TheKaos90 No, it's no compressible, it is in fact 90% water as it was merely designed to imitate human flesh in ballistic tests, it has no other function or purpose.
What you are proposing is akin to strapping human shields to the outside of the vehicle, personally I don't see anything wrong with that, perhaps the victims would though.
@panzermacher Another stupid idea came in my head was some rotating bars (like propellers) , but rotating at high speed.Wouldn't that deflect projectiles and dampen the explosions from rockets and shells from enemy armor
@lgaremanhashemi ahem, I think you need to learn how RPG's work. In short - The impact of an RPG will not itself penetrate the armour. It explodes and melts a copper cone, that forms a very high pressure jet of molten metal that burns it's way through the armour. Once inside the jet will most likely set fire to the tank, and cook off stowed ammunition.
so, am i right in thinking that it sends a current through the warhead detonating before impact? in that case, wouldn't it give any personnel walking beside it a decent shock?
so, am i right in thinking that it sends a current through the warhead detonating before impact? in that case, wouldn't it give any personnel walking beside it a decent shock?
@KILLERThreeSixNine: No, that is incorrect. Anti-tank rounds puncture armor by use of a pentrator, either shaped charge or kinetic. This is designed to stop shaped charges which send a jet of molten metal into the armor which melts through. These plates are a conduit for electromagnetic energy and when the penetrator hits them it causes a capacitor to release all its energy, which dissipates the molten metal.
@KILLERThreeSixNine "so, am i right in thinking that it sends a current through the warhead detonating before impact? in that case, wouldn't it give any personnel walking beside it a decent shock?"
At this point due to blast and heat of exploding rpg, all personnel outside on the wrong side of the vehicle is already dead.
I think there is a problem with that test. The explosives were detonated against the armor, but not at kinetic speeds. Isn't there still the chance that the warhead will physically penetrate, even if it explodes?
to be honest this is not the best armor i have seen i would bet that in 10-20 years a real forcefield like armor will come out but sure your uh.. armor is great :)
You have to eliminate the crew to fill the space with capacitors and batteries.It would be best armour ever but has the same problem of all electric stuff, electric energy storage.It's much easier to use explosive reactive armour.Besides, i doubt you have enough energy to vaporise a tungsten penetrator even if you fill the tank with batteries.This is going nowhere until a super efficient battery will be out.
WOW, the "top secret UK defence science and technology" develope a armor that the Russians use since decades :-D ... and even the Americans M60A3 from 1978 had ERA ...
It not importent if you use a explosion or a electromagnetic field to stop the enemy hollow-charge warhead. Both are reactive armors, have the same jon, worls after the almost principle and the only advantage of electromagnetic reactive armour is, that it is even effective against tandemhollow-charge warhead.
At the end is electromagnetic reactive armour just a upgrade of the explosive reactive armour, nothing real new ...
@couteau86 This tech does not use an electromagnetic field to stop an enemy warhead. This tech is not comparable to explosive reactive armors beyond comparing effectiveness as the kill mechanisms are completely different in form and function. Electromagnetic armor is not an "upgrade" to ERA in the sense that it's just an improvement on existing tech. It is not based on existing tech, and a more accurate description would be that it's a REPLACEMENT to ERA.
Dumpfbacke, it is a ELECTROMAGNETIC ... and even sorry, both are REACTIVE ARMORS ... only difference, one works with EXPLOSIVE the other with ELECTROMAGNETIC ...
So real sorry, but try it again by a other theme, but you show that you fail ...
@couteau86 You don't seem to realize that there is a big difference between the science and technology behind using explosives, compared to using a high voltage electrical current. As an analogy, you are trying to say something similar to an internal combustion engine having the same principal as an electric motor. Both may do the same job, but how they do it is entirely different. You are getting caught up in the name, and ignoring the function. They are different, but do the same job.
Dumpfbacke, it is electromagnetic, not electrical ... and sorry, i know the working principle of electromacnetic reavtive armors. You shall read someone about it, bevore you shine with semi knowledge ...
@couteau86 They have a major advantage over the old explosive reactive armor though, and that is that they can be recharged. Current rocket launchers that are designed to penetrate explosive reactive armor (such as the Javelin or the RPG-30) would not work against electric armor, since they depend on clearing the explosive armor and then detonating the main warhead- A rechargeable armor would stop both the precursor round AND the main warhead.
I never said something different. And right, electromagnetic reactive armor is designed to stop modern tandem hollow charge weapons like the systems you named. All thing that i know ...
@couteau86 you are thinking of ERA that the Russians invented, that uses an explosive charge to defuse the energy of the penertrator this however uses an electric charge to incinerate the penertrator
@couteau86 i did read it all, and explosive and electric armour do not have the same principle, 1 is ment to defuse the penertrators kenetic energy the other is ment to incinerate the penertrator. not the same principle.
Both are reactive armor who shall stop a enemy hollow charge warhead (not kinetic energy penetrators) a electric reaktive armor is just the upgrade to stop tandem hollow charge warheads ... and sorry, both armors shall stop the penetration by dispel the metal beam of a hollow charge warhead. So, exactly the same principle, just two different "scatterers" ...
@couteau86 "hollow charged warhead" do you mean shaped charge? also the electric reactive armour is made to stop kinetic penetrators also know as sabots, they are still doing research on this to see how effective it is against shaped charges. also with electric reactive armour no "beam" is dispeled. and if you wanted to have an armour that stops tandem projectiles you would mostly go for NERA as its best for this.
@couteau86 Explosive reactive armor or electromagnetic arrmor which one. The Russians have not been using electromagnetic armor for decades that is not true.
@johnyjoe2 True, it has more penetration but less Kinetic energy, you're comparing hollow charges to solid penetrators, that's like comparing apples to oranges.
@alexfakbar999 For the use of electromagnetic radiation as weapon see my channel and homepage. Both still have less visits. Some effects on persons are shown in my english film about the Anneliese Michel case and the 2 films about Jan-Carl Raspe and Ulrike Meinhof.
There are some reports of these techniques having been used during the first gulf war.
Stupid easy idea, but not very effective in reality. I rather prefer using the Russian Electrostatic TESLA approach to detonate the explosive from rocket or ATGM. High amp. and voltage Static current can detonate explosive, like gas inside the combustion engine. Without injuring troops, you may see arcing electrical jolts of 12" long in the metal bird cage. Insulators are not very effective against that approach. Which means, if rocket is protected with rubber, it will still detonate.
@Nickael7 Wrong, the amount of power in the armor would bypass any form of insulation that could be mounted on a missile or projectile.
almost ALL ATGM use shaped charge jets, which this is HIGHLY effective against.
If it were a APFSDS the short generated would potentially vaporize part and/or disrupt the projectile preventing complete armor penetration, but whether it can or not has yet to be released to the public .
@metaleater9 You will never understand it, because it had been classified for many years In fact Tesla technology is very complex. The tungsten superalloy rod will still penetrate the armor with no problem it requires more than 2000 degrees Celsius to melted. The velocity of projectile is fast enough to avoid the inductive heat of the electromagnetic shield. Since it is detonated at very short range vs. vaporizing it at 10 meters range with arcing current that is suddenly discharged by capacitor
IT ONLY WORKS ON ROCKET PROJECTILE THAT POSSESS IRON COMPOUND TO CREATE AN INDUCTION HEAT TO DESTROY IT. ITS NOT THAT COMPLICATED DEAR GOD. THAT ARMOR IS TOTALLY USELESS AGAINST KE PENETRATORS OR MISSILES MADE OF OTHER ALLOYS OTHER THAN STEEL. SHTORA IS BETTER AND REACTIVE ARMOR AS WELL. TUNGSTEN IS WAY TO HARD TO MELT, IT WILL GO THROUGH LIKE SWISS CHEESE. YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN INDUCTION ARMOR WITH COPPER COILS, PUT A VERY HIGH INDUCTIVE CURRENT AND ANYTHING IRON THAT COMES CLOSE MELTS QUICKLY
@Nickael7 you realize that virtually ALL metals conduct electricity? the more resistance the electricity has, the faster and hotter the object becomes.
normal RA is very dangerous for fellow infantry, and both SHTORA and RA weigh a lot.
It doesn't melt the projectile/use induction, it just makes steel slabs on the tank a capacitor to make one CRAZY short circuit. vaporizing the projectile from the extreme energy and a small patch of steel to disrupt the projectile if it wasn't vaporized.
@metaleater9 Do you realize that tungsten sabots is one of the only metals that is quite impossible to melt !!!
Like I say, I prefer the Russian method of using ELECTROSTATIC (Tesla) shield vs. ELECTROGMAGNETIC induction current. The arcing bolts can achieve a range of 10 meters and more. Tesla system uses banks of capacitors as well, but detonation is done far away from tank. The air can be ionized with vaporized electrolytic compound to further up the current range and damage. :-)
@Nickael7 do you realize that it isn't melting the tungsten? and it doesn't have to destroy it to keep the tank safe, it just needs to disrupt the round.
i can't find "Russian Electrostatic TESLA" anywhere so i don't know what you are talking about, and even forgetting that you still seem to gibberish. uses a bank of capacitors? extra weight for what seems to be a very complex thing just waiting to fail, this turns the tank into a capacitors.
@yellowmetalcyborg I don't care what it is commonly used with, or that its rarely used by itself. BY ITSELF, its an element, NOT an alloy. Go back a half dozen pages & read from beginning. They were just giving there view point. I actually agree with panzermacher about the Abrams armour, but don't come onto someone (hismathefirst), insult him & say he's wrong when he's not. I'm only agreeing Its an element. Not about it going 3.2m & that it would penetrate an Abram. RPG7 ,33mm deep on an Abram
@Justmyside Molybdenum is an element #42 with a symbol of Mo with 4 stable isotopes 92, 94, 95, and 96. It's rarely used alone and it's commonly used in alloys to make stailness steel, superalloys and tool steel. You are the one using these terms incorrectly, regardless of what he said.
Yeah, this hyped-up technology, but no application at all, while tanks still get disabled by a couple RPG-7s with the original rounds, half as effective as current one RPG-7 rounds. If only those resistance fighters had RPG-29s, one shot and there's a nice fireworks display.
This really isn't a useful demo without a side by side comparison of the same vehicle system with the electricity tuned off and a way to measure what the crew experiences inside. I suspect this is mostly hype though the idea is cool.
Abrams is not made of uranium it is Steel Cermaic matrix with a layer of Uranium at the front. ERA bricks and cage armor at the rear. This electric armor would make Uk forces invincible to RPG which is waht WW III is all about. RPG anbd IED are the main weapons now.
I would like to see this thing defeat kinetic energy missiles like LOSAT. If ceramic armor of the 1980s could make the tank invulnerable to ATGMs and other AT weapons from the front then maybe this will make KEMs no more effective than your usual array of shaped charge missiles.
I don't know what everyone is bitching about.................DID YA'LL MISS THE PART WHERE THE EXPLOSVIE DIDN'T EVEN HIT THE VEHICLE?!?!?! IT's friggin amazin and ya'll are arguing about time between shots and armor types and thickness............IT'S A FORCEFIELD!!! IT'S FRIGGIN AWESOME!!! I don't care if you were throwing rocks at it...........IT WOULD STILL BE COOL AS HELL!!!
@kronksworld i know eh this is some si-fi shit right here. now imagine this stuff advanced far enough to put on a frigate taking direct hit from cruse missle no scrach. its insane where technology is going.
this wont do shit to an EFP coming . hell the damn tanks keep getting punched thru clean fom one end to another. damn iraqi coffe cans of death! even with that dam frag 6 added.
USA tested how powerfull shaped charges may be ,,, Shaped Charge created and tested Mulydben cone , Penetrated 3.2 Meters of high strenght steel ... used to make Abrams tank ...
@panzermacher Dude there is no reason for calling me a numbnut.I was talking about the liner material which was molybdenum so no offence.Btw the shaped charge penetrated 3,2m of Rha
@panzermacher Abrams doesn't have Chobham armour I don't think. It seems that the armour was a British military secret, but they never told it to anyone, even the Americans, when they asked about it.
RPGs bounce off tanks to begin with, wtf is the purpose of this when normal tank armor already can with stand the blow. Develope and test for something more powerful like a fucking AT-4 round or Javalin...shit.
@BigJoeker Most tank armor can withstand RPG's true, but most APC vehicles can't unless you add a metal birdcage and extra armor to them making them a lot slower and wider. They didn't show it in this video but if you detonate an AT-4 or Javelin early enough it should protect from those as well, so this technology should work on them too, might just need more improvement as i don't know the range of the shape charges on those rockets.
@BigJoeker i dont know what was the age of those RPG rounds that bounced off. faulty fuse would be a prime cause. recent RPG rounds can go through 650mm of steel. that said, the side armor of any tank is still vulnerable. and they are still much cheaper to produce than Javelins. no doubt, Javelin is a good weapon, but its in a differnt class of guded weapons. if u want to compare RPG, do it agains SMAW and 84mm Carl Gustav rifle. they are baiscly similar in the performance.
I believe the future of tanks are unmanned vehicles. You could do away with a lot of the restrictions a crew and its survivability place on its design.
Ok, effective against a 30 year old RPG-7, but what about against modern anti tank missiles or a modern 120 mm SABOT. I sincerely doubt that the shown protection would be that effective.
@AxleMunshine001 its obv going to have normal armour isnt it behind this, and in this day and ages its very unlikly to see anything other then an rpg7 anyway
5)As i said above the shaped charge jet is not molten! It is hot yes. The explosive forces the liner so far past its yield stress and at such high strain rates it acts like a fluid and sort of flows through the armour. The hydrostatic preasure of the impact is what causes large pentrations not the jet 'melting its way through!'
4)The armour in this video acts like a large capacitor. A charged plate and an earthed plate separated by a insulator. When a penatrator hits this it completes the circuit and is supposed to be vaporised or the shaped charge jet disrupted. Because the Armour can be charged like a capacitor it does not require constant battery power as some people are saying.
1)jets in shaped charge warheads are not molten! And the fact that the RPG warhead is not flying is neglible.
2)depleted uranium is mildly radioactive but it is the toxicicty of the material that makes it controversial. Even though tests comparing it with tungsten alloy materials used in KE penetrators show that tungsten compounds are worse for you.
3) Explosive reactive armour and double skinned armour can sometimes shatter KE penetrators before total penetration.
he said it defuses high temperature molten molten metal jet, referring to rpgs.. I would like to see how well it could cope with kinetic energy penetrating rods or sabot warheads
The armor is charged up like a capacitor and doesn't require full time power from a generator. Once it's charged, you can do whatever you want and the recharge time is probably fairly quick.
@panzermacher WELL NO WONDER...the rpg-7 is an antiquated and simple design, something more modern like the rpg-29 the FGM-148 Javelin or the 9M133 Kornet would most likely reduce that armor to piecemeal.
@Goldsteinism what are you yelling at me for, I didn't pick the god damn projectile type!
I'm assuming the RPG-7 was chosen because it is the most numerous RPG round in use by third world & insurgent/guerrilla forces because of it's availability & cheapness on the arms market.
i demand a slow-mo
4d616c65737469636b 2 weeks ago
find it difficult to believe this would be very effective for a long period, the amount of energy required must be phenominal. Perhaps a layer of piezo electric material that when compressed, uses the energy from the attacking object to harden a layer of magnetic filings using an electromagnet?
tank19768 1 month ago
one step closer to star trek i suppose but one woudl think being inside that vehicle or near such a powerful EMF might not be good for health, course RPG's are not so healthy a thing to be around either, just remember sometimes the war is won but the soldiers do not necessarily end up OK, agent orange worked but it was not good stuff to be around.
I am thinking that thing is the ultamte Taser! lol
j2bodydouble 1 month ago
@MrRichardDude hydraulics work on the whole basis of not being able to compress water. besides that, water would make excellent armor without having to be compressed, but how would you use it as armor? sure... you could just have barrels of water surrounding your tank, but those barrels would only be good for one shot, unless you could find a way to keep the water from draining out of a 5 foot in diameter hole.
frosty1433 1 month ago
i think its funny how some of the commenters bellow me actually think they know what their talking about
live2invent 2 months ago
@MrRichardDude It's a good thought, but the physics just don't work out. Modern small arms accelerate the bullet with10-50k PSI over 12-24 inches. Slowing it down over 1-2 inches is going to take something of substantially higher pressure.
Take a look at 'shear thickening' and other 'non-newtonian fluids'. They, in addition to high tensile strength fibers like kevlar and zylon, can combine to make flexible but effective bullet-resistant products.
jcims 2 months ago
I always enjoy watching "top secret" stuff.
MucusFelidae 2 months ago
May The Force be with them......
robin6512 2 months ago
Read the Wikipedia post above people. And no, this is NOT explosive reactive armor which has been in use for decades and is useless against kinetic energy penetrators. ERA (Explosive Reactive Armor) disrupts the column of plasma and metal formed by a HEAT round. Penetrators like those fired by 120-125mm tank main guns blow through this armor like it's not there. Electrical reactive armor can disrupt HEAT rounds or partially vaporize kinetic energy penetrators reducing their effectiveness.
TheSwordGeek 2 months ago
@TheSwordGeek Kontact-5 is ERA and it is quite effective against kinetic energy penetrators.
sg777778 1 month ago
And now once you know the secret, you are all going to DIE!
krbosak 2 months ago
Electromagnetic fields have no influence on hot metal.
Talshet 3 months ago
@Talshet True, but discharging that much energy into hot metal has a good chance of vaporising it, which lessens the impact dramatically
SicDrykEst 2 months ago
@MrRichardDude first of all you can't compress water & then there is the weight issue for any other substance, doesn't matter how much you compress something for density it's not going to make it lighter.
panzermacher 3 months ago 10
@panzermacher Is ballistic gel compressible ? maybe if you compress it to 15-20 times it's density and give it a skin made of the fancy liquid armor , you may get a good product
TheKaos90 4 weeks ago
@TheKaos90 No, it's no compressible, it is in fact 90% water as it was merely designed to imitate human flesh in ballistic tests, it has no other function or purpose.
What you are proposing is akin to strapping human shields to the outside of the vehicle, personally I don't see anything wrong with that, perhaps the victims would though.
panzermacher 4 weeks ago
@panzermacher Another stupid idea came in my head was some rotating bars (like propellers) , but rotating at high speed.Wouldn't that deflect projectiles and dampen the explosions from rockets and shells from enemy armor
TheKaos90 4 weeks ago
@TheKaos90 what are you trying to make a "Steam Punk" Tank?. it's be too heavy, go no where & consume huge amounts of fuel
panzermacher 4 weeks ago
Interesting equipment. I wonder when they going to invent something interesting for civil use. We have so many military technologies but no jobs.
Hashishtani 3 months ago
COMMANDER! SHIELDS ARE AT 50% WE CANNOT STAND MUCH MORE OF THIS KIND OF DAMAGE
UNDERSTOOD, REROUTE ALL AUXILIARY POWER TO FORWARD GENERATORS, WERE GONNA HAVE TO RAM OUR WAY THROUGH.
fludblud 3 months ago
This could be a wonderful weapon to use against those cowardly vagina bearded, diaper wearing sand niggers who won't leave the holy people alone.
darthspeaks 3 months ago
Glad they spend our money on this instead of curing diseases.
AustralianAllTheWay 3 months ago
but is it tested with a live rocket propelled grenade? iv never seen it on the armored vehicles now in battle
smaalle 3 months ago
0:09 sob sob ...
Alkhoren 3 months ago
they need to learn how rpgs work... first there is the impact which goes through tank armor then the blast that blows up inside
lgaremanhashemi 4 months ago
@lgaremanhashemi ahem, I think you need to learn how RPG's work. In short - The impact of an RPG will not itself penetrate the armour. It explodes and melts a copper cone, that forms a very high pressure jet of molten metal that burns it's way through the armour. Once inside the jet will most likely set fire to the tank, and cook off stowed ammunition.
AgCCannonFodder 3 months ago
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so, am i right in thinking that it sends a current through the warhead detonating before impact? in that case, wouldn't it give any personnel walking beside it a decent shock?
KILLERThreeSixNine 4 months ago
so, am i right in thinking that it sends a current through the warhead detonating before impact? in that case, wouldn't it give any personnel walking beside it a decent shock?
KILLERThreeSixNine 4 months ago
@KILLERThreeSixNine: No, that is incorrect. Anti-tank rounds puncture armor by use of a pentrator, either shaped charge or kinetic. This is designed to stop shaped charges which send a jet of molten metal into the armor which melts through. These plates are a conduit for electromagnetic energy and when the penetrator hits them it causes a capacitor to release all its energy, which dissipates the molten metal.
PooPoo2U 4 months ago
@KILLERThreeSixNine Possible, although, I think they will only receive it if they're actually touching the armor plate.
nonibandoni 3 months ago
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@KILLERThreeSixNine "so, am i right in thinking that it sends a current through the warhead detonating before impact? in that case, wouldn't it give any personnel walking beside it a decent shock?"
At this point due to blast and heat of exploding rpg, all personnel outside on the wrong side of the vehicle is already dead.
As in case of any other armor, reactive or not.
krbosak 2 months ago
I think there is a problem with that test. The explosives were detonated against the armor, but not at kinetic speeds. Isn't there still the chance that the warhead will physically penetrate, even if it explodes?
MorteWulfe 4 months ago
this armor useless for WW1 shell =)
RobotN001 4 months ago
@Olengher talk to duracell
saijaiantonio 5 months ago
raise shield! stand by phasers and photon torpedoes! what will they think of next?
nomadnametab 5 months ago
@nomadnametab Ya didn't "enterprise" have polarized hull plating before they developed shields?
astrialkil 5 months ago
How much does this, and all other ERAs/RAs cost? How much does an RPG-100 cost to blow through the frontal ends of a Chally 1? ...
Tyco200 5 months ago
@Tyco200 well considering the uk uses the chally 2 now your point is moot and we all know the rpg-100 has been proved to be ineffective against them
calumknight1984 4 months ago
why aren't we using this in Iraq?
johny260 5 months ago
to be honest this is not the best armor i have seen i would bet that in 10-20 years a real forcefield like armor will come out but sure your uh.. armor is great :)
MrMasiquin 5 months ago
You have to eliminate the crew to fill the space with capacitors and batteries.It would be best armour ever but has the same problem of all electric stuff, electric energy storage.It's much easier to use explosive reactive armour.Besides, i doubt you have enough energy to vaporise a tungsten penetrator even if you fill the tank with batteries.This is going nowhere until a super efficient battery will be out.
Olengher 5 months ago
this wouldn't work at all against kinetic, or HESH rounds.
cr9527 5 months ago
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@cr9527 "this wouldn't work at all against kinetic, or HESH rounds."
it would agains hesh, since the extra armor is a separate plate, far from the body.
it wouldnt work agains APFSDS but for that there is main armor and other types of reactive armors are not particularly good against them either.
krbosak 2 months ago
woohoo phase-shift armor in its making
p51kmustang 6 months ago
@p51kmustang Ha ha ha
U make Kira cry!
davey1622 6 months ago
WOW, the "top secret UK defence science and technology" develope a armor that the Russians use since decades :-D ... and even the Americans M60A3 from 1978 had ERA ...
couteau86 6 months ago
@couteau86 dude, I think you are confusing this with explosive reactive armour
panzermacher 6 months ago 44
@panzermacher
It not importent if you use a explosion or a electromagnetic field to stop the enemy hollow-charge warhead. Both are reactive armors, have the same jon, worls after the almost principle and the only advantage of electromagnetic reactive armour is, that it is even effective against tandemhollow-charge warhead.
At the end is electromagnetic reactive armour just a upgrade of the explosive reactive armour, nothing real new ...
couteau86 6 months ago
@couteau86 This tech does not use an electromagnetic field to stop an enemy warhead. This tech is not comparable to explosive reactive armors beyond comparing effectiveness as the kill mechanisms are completely different in form and function. Electromagnetic armor is not an "upgrade" to ERA in the sense that it's just an improvement on existing tech. It is not based on existing tech, and a more accurate description would be that it's a REPLACEMENT to ERA.
Synthmilk 5 months ago
@Synthmilk
Dumpfbacke, it is a ELECTROMAGNETIC ... and even sorry, both are REACTIVE ARMORS ... only difference, one works with EXPLOSIVE the other with ELECTROMAGNETIC ...
So real sorry, but try it again by a other theme, but you show that you fail ...
couteau86 5 months ago
@couteau86 You don't seem to realize that there is a big difference between the science and technology behind using explosives, compared to using a high voltage electrical current. As an analogy, you are trying to say something similar to an internal combustion engine having the same principal as an electric motor. Both may do the same job, but how they do it is entirely different. You are getting caught up in the name, and ignoring the function. They are different, but do the same job.
Synthmilk 5 months ago
@Synthmilk
Dumpfbacke, it is electromagnetic, not electrical ... and sorry, i know the working principle of electromacnetic reavtive armors. You shall read someone about it, bevore you shine with semi knowledge ...
couteau86 5 months ago
@couteau86 They have a major advantage over the old explosive reactive armor though, and that is that they can be recharged. Current rocket launchers that are designed to penetrate explosive reactive armor (such as the Javelin or the RPG-30) would not work against electric armor, since they depend on clearing the explosive armor and then detonating the main warhead- A rechargeable armor would stop both the precursor round AND the main warhead.
anonimystro12345 5 months ago
@anonimystro12345
I never said something different. And right, electromagnetic reactive armor is designed to stop modern tandem hollow charge weapons like the systems you named. All thing that i know ...
couteau86 5 months ago
@panzermacher he is.
Duckyistrippin 5 months ago
@couteau86 you are thinking of ERA that the Russians invented, that uses an explosive charge to defuse the energy of the penertrator this however uses an electric charge to incinerate the penertrator
HONORGUARD308 4 months ago
@HONORGUARD308
Read all i wrote ... but chort say, if you use explosive or electric, the basic principle is the same ;-)
couteau86 4 months ago
@couteau86 i did read it all, and explosive and electric armour do not have the same principle, 1 is ment to defuse the penertrators kenetic energy the other is ment to incinerate the penertrator. not the same principle.
HONORGUARD308 4 months ago
@HONORGUARD308
Both are reactive armor who shall stop a enemy hollow charge warhead (not kinetic energy penetrators) a electric reaktive armor is just the upgrade to stop tandem hollow charge warheads ... and sorry, both armors shall stop the penetration by dispel the metal beam of a hollow charge warhead. So, exactly the same principle, just two different "scatterers" ...
couteau86 4 months ago
@couteau86 "hollow charged warhead" do you mean shaped charge? also the electric reactive armour is made to stop kinetic penetrators also know as sabots, they are still doing research on this to see how effective it is against shaped charges. also with electric reactive armour no "beam" is dispeled. and if you wanted to have an armour that stops tandem projectiles you would mostly go for NERA as its best for this.
HONORGUARD308 4 months ago
@couteau86 Explosive reactive armor or electromagnetic arrmor which one. The Russians have not been using electromagnetic armor for decades that is not true.
actionmantodiworl123 4 months ago
@actionmantodiworl123
Who i wrote this??? Nowere ;-)
couteau86 4 months ago
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@couteau86 Stop making a fool out of yourself mate :P
oOANKHOo 3 months ago
@couteau86 I don't think you understand the concept dude
shackvan 3 months ago
@coinageboy TRUST ME THAT LITTLE SHAPED CHARGES HAVE MORE PUNCH THAN AN 88 FLACK
johnyjoe2 7 months ago
@johnyjoe2 True, it has more penetration but less Kinetic energy, you're comparing hollow charges to solid penetrators, that's like comparing apples to oranges.
panzermacher 6 months ago
Beh, Electric Armour is crap.
bittemeinrammstein 8 months ago
27 terrorists didnt like this
Ceilaus 8 months ago 7
@coinageboy nah they just toss firecrackers at it.
drawmaster77 8 months ago
26 people would rather prefer to be roast pork ;-)
Bjowolf2 9 months ago
Lol you kind of sound like ThunderFoot
SupremeCommander360 10 months ago
someone has been watching Star Trek Enterprise!
proverb311031 10 months ago
Top secret but 97919 users have seen it!!
alexfakbar999 11 months ago 43
@alexfakbar999 you're 2 years too late.
panzermacher 11 months ago 40
@alexfakbar999 For the use of electromagnetic radiation as weapon see my channel and homepage. Both still have less visits. Some effects on persons are shown in my english film about the Anneliese Michel case and the 2 films about Jan-Carl Raspe and Ulrike Meinhof.
There are some reports of these techniques having been used during the first gulf war.
wwwtotalitaerde 9 months ago
Balloons made of rubber attracts very well static current, so is glass and porcelain. But is useless against electrodynamics.
Nickael7 11 months ago
Stupid easy idea, but not very effective in reality. I rather prefer using the Russian Electrostatic TESLA approach to detonate the explosive from rocket or ATGM. High amp. and voltage Static current can detonate explosive, like gas inside the combustion engine. Without injuring troops, you may see arcing electrical jolts of 12" long in the metal bird cage. Insulators are not very effective against that approach. Which means, if rocket is protected with rubber, it will still detonate.
Nickael7 11 months ago
@Nickael7 Wrong, the amount of power in the armor would bypass any form of insulation that could be mounted on a missile or projectile.
almost ALL ATGM use shaped charge jets, which this is HIGHLY effective against.
If it were a APFSDS the short generated would potentially vaporize part and/or disrupt the projectile preventing complete armor penetration, but whether it can or not has yet to be released to the public .
metaleater9 9 months ago
@metaleater9 You will never understand it, because it had been classified for many years In fact Tesla technology is very complex. The tungsten superalloy rod will still penetrate the armor with no problem it requires more than 2000 degrees Celsius to melted. The velocity of projectile is fast enough to avoid the inductive heat of the electromagnetic shield. Since it is detonated at very short range vs. vaporizing it at 10 meters range with arcing current that is suddenly discharged by capacitor
Nickael7 9 months ago
IT ONLY WORKS ON ROCKET PROJECTILE THAT POSSESS IRON COMPOUND TO CREATE AN INDUCTION HEAT TO DESTROY IT. ITS NOT THAT COMPLICATED DEAR GOD. THAT ARMOR IS TOTALLY USELESS AGAINST KE PENETRATORS OR MISSILES MADE OF OTHER ALLOYS OTHER THAN STEEL. SHTORA IS BETTER AND REACTIVE ARMOR AS WELL. TUNGSTEN IS WAY TO HARD TO MELT, IT WILL GO THROUGH LIKE SWISS CHEESE. YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN INDUCTION ARMOR WITH COPPER COILS, PUT A VERY HIGH INDUCTIVE CURRENT AND ANYTHING IRON THAT COMES CLOSE MELTS QUICKLY
Nickael7 11 months ago
@Nickael7 you realize that virtually ALL metals conduct electricity? the more resistance the electricity has, the faster and hotter the object becomes.
normal RA is very dangerous for fellow infantry, and both SHTORA and RA weigh a lot.
It doesn't melt the projectile/use induction, it just makes steel slabs on the tank a capacitor to make one CRAZY short circuit. vaporizing the projectile from the extreme energy and a small patch of steel to disrupt the projectile if it wasn't vaporized.
metaleater9 9 months ago
@metaleater9 Do you realize that tungsten sabots is one of the only metals that is quite impossible to melt !!!
Like I say, I prefer the Russian method of using ELECTROSTATIC (Tesla) shield vs. ELECTROGMAGNETIC induction current. The arcing bolts can achieve a range of 10 meters and more. Tesla system uses banks of capacitors as well, but detonation is done far away from tank. The air can be ionized with vaporized electrolytic compound to further up the current range and damage. :-)
Nickael7 9 months ago
@Nickael7 do you realize that it isn't melting the tungsten? and it doesn't have to destroy it to keep the tank safe, it just needs to disrupt the round.
i can't find "Russian Electrostatic TESLA" anywhere so i don't know what you are talking about, and even forgetting that you still seem to gibberish. uses a bank of capacitors? extra weight for what seems to be a very complex thing just waiting to fail, this turns the tank into a capacitors.
metaleater9 9 months ago
"At the top secret UK Defence science laboratory at Fort Halstead in Kent"
Not secret anymore.
Tehpolev 11 months ago
Britain inventing the world we live in as usual :-)
dubbsy69 11 months ago
@dubbsy69
It was actually a joint project. The U.S. helped.
Totallyfizzle 10 months ago
@Totallyfizzle what are you sources for that?
MrXclio 9 months ago
@yellowmetalcyborg I don't care what it is commonly used with, or that its rarely used by itself. BY ITSELF, its an element, NOT an alloy. Go back a half dozen pages & read from beginning. They were just giving there view point. I actually agree with panzermacher about the Abrams armour, but don't come onto someone (hismathefirst), insult him & say he's wrong when he's not. I'm only agreeing Its an element. Not about it going 3.2m & that it would penetrate an Abram. RPG7 ,33mm deep on an Abram
Justmyside 11 months ago
@Justmyside Molybdenum is an element #42 with a symbol of Mo with 4 stable isotopes 92, 94, 95, and 96. It's rarely used alone and it's commonly used in alloys to make stailness steel, superalloys and tool steel. You are the one using these terms incorrectly, regardless of what he said.
yellowmetalcyborg 11 months ago
@Justmyside It was used in the context of Rolled Homogeneous Armour "RHS", so don't go & take ME out of context in some lame attempt to look witty.
panzermacher 1 year ago
Hey new fella, grab the hose and wash that fancy looking tank...
kaderoder 1 year ago
...how do they deal with non-electrical conducting bullet?
tanglonghin 1 year ago
Armor lock! :)
PresidentLucario 1 year ago
Not so top secret now
1987Challenger3 1 year ago
@pIMpPinKpAntHeR you heard it from the pink guy im FUCKIN RIGHT QUEERZ.
Goldsteinism 1 year ago
Mr. Sulu, raise the shields....
Waltham1892 1 year ago 2
It might be cool, but imagine how much energy it requires to run, it is good against IED's but, its useless under constant fire.
GunsOfThePhoenix 1 year ago
Armor is obsolete when a few men dressed in rags can construct a device that will punch through a heavy tank.
80439 1 year ago
Hm, now "divert power to front shields" makes sense outside Starwars.
Stover36 1 year ago
A tank crew when hit are instantaneously shredded and incinerated...lovely way to go....
macbrack04 1 year ago
I SENSE POWER ARMOUR
ATGOD 1 year ago
1980 technology. use less.
I actually have came to such idea in biochemistry lesson last year. :)
but soon have found that this will need a very big power source and here i will need a nano technology for a small electrons reactor.
VoLtrex31 1 year ago
Yeah, this hyped-up technology, but no application at all, while tanks still get disabled by a couple RPG-7s with the original rounds, half as effective as current one RPG-7 rounds. If only those resistance fighters had RPG-29s, one shot and there's a nice fireworks display.
GoldenZealot21 1 year ago
This really isn't a useful demo without a side by side comparison of the same vehicle system with the electricity tuned off and a way to measure what the crew experiences inside. I suspect this is mostly hype though the idea is cool.
michalchik 1 year ago
guys this armor is rly effective against explosive shells but does nearly nothing against kinetic penetrators
Mendelevium146 1 year ago
@Mendelevium146 lol true, a sabot oreven a tandem charge would eat through this
blacksoilder10 1 year ago
Abrams is not made of uranium it is Steel Cermaic matrix with a layer of Uranium at the front. ERA bricks and cage armor at the rear. This electric armor would make Uk forces invincible to RPG which is waht WW III is all about. RPG anbd IED are the main weapons now.
NielsShoe 1 year ago
The true test of this thing is not Javelins or Rpg's, the real test is Can This Stop Oprah??? That would really provide freedom to so many...
DamnYourReallyUgly 1 year ago
true, A Javelin would come in from the top...
But!!! Can it stop a simple Cannon Ball from a civil war cannon??? hmm.
DamnYourReallyUgly 1 year ago
0:08 Top secret lab has CRT moniters. THE TECHNOLOGY OF THE FUTURE. Dumb ass red coats.
llamapi3 1 year ago
@llamapi3 don't you just love braindead retard yanks.
shove it up your ass!!!
MrXclio 9 months ago
Impressive.
IanTBlack 1 year ago
Does every "top secret" lab in Britain come equipped with it's own BBC camera crew? lol
ArchNME 1 year ago 3
pretty hard to make the vehicle completely covered ~roof as well
infernalzen 1 year ago
I would like to see this thing defeat kinetic energy missiles like LOSAT. If ceramic armor of the 1980s could make the tank invulnerable to ATGMs and other AT weapons from the front then maybe this will make KEMs no more effective than your usual array of shaped charge missiles.
Breakerchase 1 year ago
I don't know what everyone is bitching about.................DID YA'LL MISS THE PART WHERE THE EXPLOSVIE DIDN'T EVEN HIT THE VEHICLE?!?!?! IT's friggin amazin and ya'll are arguing about time between shots and armor types and thickness............IT'S A FORCEFIELD!!! IT'S FRIGGIN AWESOME!!! I don't care if you were throwing rocks at it...........IT WOULD STILL BE COOL AS HELL!!!
kronksworld 1 year ago 2
@kronksworld i know eh this is some si-fi shit right here. now imagine this stuff advanced far enough to put on a frigate taking direct hit from cruse missle no scrach. its insane where technology is going.
Baseshocks 1 year ago
shield?????
Divinelighte 1 year ago
got to consider this is first gen experimental. just wait until they have masterd it.
sonofhendrix 1 year ago
might have a use aboard ships also
datzfast 1 year ago
this wont do shit to an EFP coming . hell the damn tanks keep getting punched thru clean fom one end to another. damn iraqi coffe cans of death! even with that dam frag 6 added.
MrMexicansteve 1 year ago
i imagine the crew would be more than just beaten up
0ngus 1 year ago
holy shit thank so freakin cool
lizerdguy 1 year ago
wat?
EyeOnTheTV 1 year ago
tesla technology! he made this 100 yrs ago! look it up! plus wireless power too! its important to learn this technology!
boxa888 1 year ago
USA tested how powerfull shaped charges may be ,,, Shaped Charge created and tested Mulydben cone , Penetrated 3.2 Meters of high strenght steel ... used to make Abrams tank ...
aviomaster 1 year ago
@aviomaster do you even know what "Molybdenum" is?, it's a high temperature extremely hard alloy used in Armour Plate production since WWI.
Abrams Armour is a composite of Chobham, Rolled Homogeneous steel & steel encased depleted uranium mesh plating.
so it's pretty hard to believe anything you say.
panzermacher 1 year ago 14
@panzermacher nice comeback!
gingerfrank86 1 year ago
@panzermacher its not an alloy its an element atomic number 42 and yeah he is right 3.2 meters is correct so it would fuck up an abrams with ease.
Hismathefirst 1 year ago
@Hismathefirst Awwwwwwww look Numbnut, everything is a freaking Atomic Element!
Molybdenum is a Transition Metal.
Molybdenum Armour is used today as a Bench Mark for testing Current Armour which has absolutely no REAL World Relevance.
Molybdenum Armour hasn't been used since WWII since it is considered to be THAT poor.
It has as much Relevance as comparing the strength of Molybdenum Armour against Boiler Plate as was the Norm in WWI.
A weapon capable of Penetrating 3.2m of M-A means squat.
panzermacher 1 year ago
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Hismathefirst 1 year ago
@panzermacher Dude there is no reason for calling me a numbnut.I was talking about the liner material which was molybdenum so no offence.Btw the shaped charge penetrated 3,2m of Rha
Hismathefirst 1 year ago
@Hismathefirst Hismathefirst, you just got owned
ATGOD 1 year ago
@panzermacher Abrams doesn't have Chobham armour I don't think. It seems that the armour was a British military secret, but they never told it to anyone, even the Americans, when they asked about it.
Dragon22873 1 year ago
@Dragon22873 LOLWUT
redreaper2020 1 year ago
@panzermacher molybedeneum is the same stuff as my wrenches and sockets are made of.
anywho...brute force can still penetrate anything, just ask the rpg-29
shawnshawn426 10 months ago
@panzermacher Molybdenum is an allow? Silly me I thought it was an element.
Frederf220 7 months ago 2
@aviomaster An Abrams is not made of high strength steel..............it's made of depleted uranium which WAY more dense than steel.
kronksworld 1 year ago
The lab is supposed to be top secret and the guy even said the town :D
gunsrlove 1 year ago
RPGs bounce off tanks to begin with, wtf is the purpose of this when normal tank armor already can with stand the blow. Develope and test for something more powerful like a fucking AT-4 round or Javalin...shit.
BigJoeker 1 year ago
@BigJoeker Most tank armor can withstand RPG's true, but most APC vehicles can't unless you add a metal birdcage and extra armor to them making them a lot slower and wider. They didn't show it in this video but if you detonate an AT-4 or Javelin early enough it should protect from those as well, so this technology should work on them too, might just need more improvement as i don't know the range of the shape charges on those rockets.
GhostInTheShell29 1 year ago
@BigJoeker i dont know what was the age of those RPG rounds that bounced off. faulty fuse would be a prime cause. recent RPG rounds can go through 650mm of steel. that said, the side armor of any tank is still vulnerable. and they are still much cheaper to produce than Javelins. no doubt, Javelin is a good weapon, but its in a differnt class of guded weapons. if u want to compare RPG, do it agains SMAW and 84mm Carl Gustav rifle. they are baiscly similar in the performance.
tbilisicentral 1 year ago
I believe the future of tanks are unmanned vehicles. You could do away with a lot of the restrictions a crew and its survivability place on its design.
AxleMunshine001 1 year ago
Ok, effective against a 30 year old RPG-7, but what about against modern anti tank missiles or a modern 120 mm SABOT. I sincerely doubt that the shown protection would be that effective.
AxleMunshine001 1 year ago 2
@AxleMunshine001 its obv going to have normal armour isnt it behind this, and in this day and ages its very unlikly to see anything other then an rpg7 anyway
wwwNooBcom 1 year ago
if so top secret y is it on youtube??
yaHARmeMATEY 1 year ago
can it shock nearby soilders?
cluegoo69 1 year ago
I imagine that many militaries are developing(or already have) EMP RPG's to counter this type of armor.
AllanRasco 1 year ago
Ahahaha at the top secret defence facility in kent... secret my arse :D
PyroKetchup 1 year ago
how do you switch a emp pulse grenade into a emp permanent shield? better wire? like superconductor wire? quartz/wire combo?
three0234 1 year ago
i've seen invention patents for emp grenade and force shield. is this the force shield or electromagnetic shielding?
three0234 1 year ago
21st century war machines FTW!!
armarpgBlink 1 year ago
the should add some collor to it... would be nice
RijenRijen 1 year ago
i knew that magnetic will be the futur IT WILL!
CrazyMadness23 1 year ago
you mean electric
mcel85 1 year ago
Can't wait to see this on chally 2!
AAMetalXJON 1 year ago
5)As i said above the shaped charge jet is not molten! It is hot yes. The explosive forces the liner so far past its yield stress and at such high strain rates it acts like a fluid and sort of flows through the armour. The hydrostatic preasure of the impact is what causes large pentrations not the jet 'melting its way through!'
just thought i would give my two cents worth
dhennion 1 year ago
4)The armour in this video acts like a large capacitor. A charged plate and an earthed plate separated by a insulator. When a penatrator hits this it completes the circuit and is supposed to be vaporised or the shaped charge jet disrupted. Because the Armour can be charged like a capacitor it does not require constant battery power as some people are saying.
dhennion 1 year ago
1)jets in shaped charge warheads are not molten! And the fact that the RPG warhead is not flying is neglible.
2)depleted uranium is mildly radioactive but it is the toxicicty of the material that makes it controversial. Even though tests comparing it with tungsten alloy materials used in KE penetrators show that tungsten compounds are worse for you.
3) Explosive reactive armour and double skinned armour can sometimes shatter KE penetrators before total penetration.
dhennion 1 year ago
Very interesting! I wonder how much energy it uses tought...
S300V 1 year ago 3
@S300V its dont even exist its fake video
leparditas 1 year ago
he said it defuses high temperature molten molten metal jet, referring to rpgs.. I would like to see how well it could cope with kinetic energy penetrating rods or sabot warheads
Gdaus72 1 year ago
Or uranium bullets.
gun844 1 year ago
Spend all the electric power of the vehicle to power the turret,
or to take it up the ass from RPGs.
Choose...
patrikasLTL 1 year ago
@patrikasLTL install Arena
HappyRoger123 1 year ago
fuckin a
patrikasLTL 1 year ago
The front gun does more damage than the turret.
WootMapler 1 year ago
The armor is charged up like a capacitor and doesn't require full time power from a generator. Once it's charged, you can do whatever you want and the recharge time is probably fairly quick.
junkymagi 1 year ago
1) the warhead was directly attached to the armor ?! no kinetic power?!
2) watch clips about russian Kornet-E ATGM system: three words: two-stage-warhead
pR05t0 2 years ago 2
@pR05t0 PzFaust3 Tandem does the same.
Cougar545x39 2 years ago
poffff pofff hezbollah kick ass of israel in 2006 ehehhehe
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
Son of a bitch must be heavy as fuck nobody is gonna use it.
TheWorkingPart 2 years ago
does someone know, which weapon they used ?
pR05t0 2 years ago
A warhead from an RPG-7
panzermacher 2 years ago
@panzermacher WELL NO WONDER...the rpg-7 is an antiquated and simple design, something more modern like the rpg-29 the FGM-148 Javelin or the 9M133 Kornet would most likely reduce that armor to piecemeal.
Goldsteinism 1 year ago
@Goldsteinism what are you yelling at me for, I didn't pick the god damn projectile type!
I'm assuming the RPG-7 was chosen because it is the most numerous RPG round in use by third world & insurgent/guerrilla forces because of it's availability & cheapness on the arms market.
panzermacher 1 year ago 12