Now really, why did they play the concert with Plant in this condition? Could't they just cancel/postpone it? That's why he got all those vocal chords problems. For some damn hours of yelling while he should have been resting in bed and having a hot cup of tea, he got an entire life of problems. And it's frickin February in NY and Plant is sick and half-naked on stage! Fuck this stupid rock-god image thing! I won't be watching this anymore, I'm not that sadistic!
@miki03soimu February in NY? It was in Madison Square Garden...and indoor arena! I have been to many concerts there, in winter, and i always wind up jacket off , short sleeve shirt. Now maybe, he should have cancelled due to illness, but dont blame the NY winter during the show..In NYC, we have something that was invented years ago..its called INDOOR HEATING...makes your indoors very warm and comfortable...check it out
Bonham is the greatest drummer of all time. Hence when he died, the band folded, they knew they could not replace him. Who cares what his vice was, he was a beast and the soul of Zeppelin.
I started playing guitar because of them. Recently I wrote and recorded some songs. If you want to hear how Led Zeppelin-inspired music sounds 2011 style click on wisztrock. I think you'll like it.
you know I am wondering if they allowed this fellow to film ,cause zep was pretty adament about super 8 cameras and such.this guy might have been doing for them for a host of different reasons.he is way too close to the stage to not get yanked from the crowd.
before you idots start to say sth like he has a bad voice look at the description :plant was sick during this concert(he had the flu).I think it explains everything and if you look at other videos he doesnt have it so shut the f¤¤k up he is one of the best singers in rock history
@nazzare79 Lets see you sing 3 hours a show giving it all you got playing 32 shows in 30 days. Talk to me then about vocals. If you can even talk afterwards. Here endeth the lesson.
@s2kx2 yes you're totally right, but Ian Gillan did exactely the same and He even screamed a lot more each night and during the 70's He never had these kind of problems...nowdays both Plant and Gillan are justified due their age and lifestyle...
I started playing guitar because of them. I just finished recording my first demo album of "mini-songs". If you want to know what Led Zeppelin-influenced music sounds like 2010 style click on Wisztrock.
let me clear something up for every one what ur hearing is the raw sound captured on that camera ......... the soundtrack mastered is much better sounding
@wvankley ------ let me clear something up for every one what ur hearing is the raw sound captured on that camera ......... the soundtrack mastered is much better sounding
The reason for Robert's vocals being sub-standard was illness for some of the 1975 tour. He actually sounded much better during this part of the tour than he did at the start. There was a few gigs in 75 {Cleveland, North Carolina and Indy} that were some of the worst gigs the band performed in their career. So if you were fortunate enough to catch any of the New York shows at either the Garden or Nassau Coliseum, you actually saw a solid performance.
If you think he sounds bad all the time, why are you searching the live Zeppelin videos section on YT? It seems that the people who knock Robert Plant are just envious of his massive success am I wrong? You must be fan of the Monkees or Bowie fan.
@Poochyenagirl when he was young 1968-1973 well he still was but his voice was the most powerful and highest and best sounding then and it was in 1979 he just got off surgery in this concert but when he was young he was the best. ROBERT is # 1
Fantastic footage, especially in light of extremely rare visual documentation of this period. You know Robert Plant would have voted to sing when he was in better voice, but as Peter Grant and "they" say, "The show must go on."
Disappointing! Page is on the smack (anorexic looking), Bonzo's Oliver Hardy, Plant's voice is shot. Jones is the only one on. Go back a few years and they were hot. Sad how this was the beginning of the end. Read up on it if u don't believe me. I love the You Tube black/white footage. That was some awesome footage.
I dont believe you. Plant was sick, during the early parts ot the tour in 75 so it took him a while to warm up. Page had hurt his hand as well. By the middle of the tour the band was rolling check out audio from LA or Dallas from that tour for proof.
I'd say 75 was a pretty awesome tour once they got warmed up. It was 77-80 that was really hit and miss. Mostly miss. there are some gems in there though. Have you heard "Listen to this Eddie"?
I was at this show and i am sorry to say the had a bad night(I am being kind)!plant had the flu an jimmy was higher than usual!worst show i ever saw,really sad!
In fact John Bonham warned fellow Swan Song labelmates Bad Company about getting out of line with drugs and alcohol. There were very few others who avoided drugs and/or alcohol like the plague. I'm a Who fan but your stories sound like tall tales. I try to set the record straight after hearing various radio interviews and so forth. You ever meet any of the Pink Floyd guys then like Roger Waters, David Gilmour, the late Rick Wright and Nick Mason. If so, which member was jerk which one friendly.
The Quad Tour 1997 was boring (I can admit bad shows). They made up for it in 2002 when I saw them in Boston right after Entwistle's death and Robert Plant opened. Plant did very well and did some Zep tunes (like Four Sticks, Going to California and Babe I'm Gonna Leave You). Also Pete was back to playing electric like in the old days. The Endless Wire shows weren't bad but once I've seen one Who show I saw them all I suppose.
Floydy, you deluded little bloke, I'll clearly I'll never get you to acknowledge the truth (which is, in the final analysis, subjective anyway, so our whole "conversation" means NOTHING!), so I'll just tolerate your ignorance and attribute it to your youth. I thought the '97 Quadrophenia Tour (my FAVORITE Who album, the one that converted me) was FUCKING OUTSTANDING! Crowds were on their feet for 2+ hours, man. You had to see it to believe it. You stick with Zeppelin, but quit badmouthing Keith!
Keith Moon was a great drummer and one of rock's famous personalities but he was also abusive and destructive. When he wasn't playing drums, he was either partying like he was still a High Schooler or beating his wife/girlfriends to a pulp. I hated the fact Moon beat his wife. I lost respect when I read Tony Fletcher's biography on Moon when revealed that he physically beat Kim to a pulp. Bonzo hated life as rocker and drank to cope with being away from his wife and kids by comparison.
With rock artists, or any artists, dear deluded boy, you have to separate the artist from the person. There were many great artists who were deeply flawed people. It happens. While Moonie was fun to carouse with, especially on the road, he definitely had many demons. But so do a thousand rock artists. It's common to "the life". I detest any "man" who beats up women..or kids. But Moonie THE DRUMMER is a different story. You hate him because of his personal life. But as a drummer, he had no equal.
I've seen better drummers than Moonie (Bonham was who got me into drumming and he did more with one bass drum than Moon could with two). I cannot deny Moonie was great up to 1969/70 but then Neal Boland's death turned him into an abusive and silly drunk and his antics made him almost a Spinal Tap parody. Keith could be lovable, charming without drugs and alcohol but the drugs and alcohol made him miserable, self loathing and so forth.
Footage I've seen of Keith at his home with his family.. outside with their dogs and running and playing, well he sure was a lot more than an alcoholic who happened to be an incredible drummer. Truly. I have to say that I look at Dave Grohl as one of today's best drummer. Anything he does with Queens of the Stone Age is just out of this world. Thoughts?
When the pics weren't taken, Keith Moon regularly abused his first wife Kim (smacked her and broke her nose three times). In fact his abuse was why she and their daughter Mandy left him in '73. In fact Keith's daughter Mandy didn't have a relationship with her dad. Queens of the Stone Age absolutely SUCK! Dave Grohl is a boring drummer. Dave Lombardo would slaughter him in a drumming contest. The NWOBHM was best thing to happen to rock. The New Romantic and punk movements were pretty much shit!
"Partying like he was still a High Schooler" is one thing. With some notable exceptions, like Aerosmith, MOST rockers do exactly that when they're not performing. Are you saying Bonzo didn't "party like he was still a High Schooler"? No, he partied MUCH worse than that. 4 double vodkas FOR BREAKFAST the day he died? What the hell do you call that? Beating up women is something else, but it's a psychiatric flaw needing treatment more than scorn. Keith needed help with many things. So did Bonzo.
Well the members of Pink Floyd, Genesis and Rush led quiet lives by comparison to The Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, The Who, Zeppelin. In fact Aerosmith's wild ways led Rush to quit opening up for Aerosmith as they had zero tolerance for the heavy drug use. Jethro Tull had a well known hatred for drugs. Ian Anderson hated drugs like no tomorrow. Roger Waters avoided drugs sans alcohol and tobacco (he quit the latter in 1975) as he knew they were destructive.
I saw the '97 leg and was somewhat disappointed as opposed to the Princes Trust performance of Quad that I saw here in the States on HBO with David Gilmour in 96. Roger was spot on, the Ox stole the show and Pete was excellent. Best was LROM when Geoff Whitehorn and DG did harmony leads. Only reason DG didn't do Quad tour was Pink Floyd toured in 94 and he and his wife were having child #2 and PF got in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame though Dave Marsh and Jann Wenner whined profusely about it.
Let's see, I have quite a few Zeppelin boots (Earls Court 1975 and Seattle 1977) and from what I have, they owned The Who (especially in the 1973-75 period where Zep owned The Who in concert). The Who whilst good and The Rolling Stones whom are now Spinal Tap didn't have majesty that Zeppelin had. Zeppelin were bigger in the US than The Who, The Who are beloved in the UK whilst still in the shadows compared to The Beatles and Stones for the first British Invasion
What I post comes from life experience, not reading and bootlegs. I've been blessed to have lived my life among rock's royalty. I wouldn't trade my life for anything. Someday, I'll write a book (I HAVE to!)....and you can read it and get the REAL story. I could sell my rock 'n roll memorabilia on eBay for literally hundreds of thousands, no problem. I never will, but I could. But I LOVED Zep, little Floyd, but they NEVER, and I mean NEVER, and CERTAINLY not '73-'75, "owned" The Who in concert.
You put together a "Battle of the Bands" with The Who, Led Zeppelin, The Stones, The Kinks (another LEGENDARY stage act, one of the greats), Cream, Pink Floyd, Tull, and The Beatles (NOBODY could top The Beatles- they set the standard for ALL who followed), but outside of the Boys from Liverpool, The Who would kick the shit out of every one of them live. Majesty? Bullshit! How about straight ahead, in-your-face, pull you out of your seat scream your ass off rock 'n roll? NOBODY topped The Who.
Many critics picked Queen's show at Live Aid (though not one of my favorite Queen gigs personally, I preferred Montreal 1981 and Houston 1977) as the greatest live performance ever. Where was The Who in the list, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND SCHMUCK! The Beatles set the template I know (I'm no fool). I've been to many shows in my life and I prefer the '67 to '72 live period of The Who to later Who tours which was plagued with problems. Did your Britney Spears and Miley Cyrus blowup dolls Jimbob?
"Many critics"..like who...specifically? Name names. I LOVED Queen....but after Freddy, what brought you out of your seat? Brian May was very talented...and virtually immobile. You're great at generalizations but a tad short on specifics, aren't you, mate? You're 33. You were BORN in 1976, for God's sake. You were 1 during Houston in '77 and 5 when they did Montreal in '81. Performance is subjective (look it up). To the pros in rock, nobody ever equalled The Who on stage. I know. I WAS there.
You claim to have been there in your wet dreams. Channel 4 in your homeland and picked by artists and critics alike ran the Ten Greatest Performances and Queen at Live Aid was #1, Hendrix at Woodstock was #2. Also there was Bob Dylan, David Bowie, Bob Marley and Oasis. Nirvana's final UK appearance at the '92 Reading Festival, Brian Wilson's Smile concert at London's Royal Festival Hall in 2004 and The Rolling Stones' Hyde Park gig in July 1969 after the death of the bandmate Brian Jones.
Then I guess I must have been having those wet dreams since 1975, 'cuz I must have 15-20 or more large boxes of rock memorabilia in me attic, including all my laminates from every show I ever went to, so if all those shows were wet dreams, they were bloody realistic ones. More important, ALL PERFORMANCE IS SUBJECTIVE! There is NO absolute best. Can't be done. What's best for you may be #25 for me. And still,1.) you're a 33 y/o baby and 2.) who the fuck made Ch.4 the ultimate bloody rock critic?
"Picked by artists and critics alike", eh? AGAIN, Floydie my young know-it-all puppy, WHICH critics and WHICH artists? For once in your sad little life, NAME NAMES. And even if you can, which I doubt, for every "critic" and "artist" you name, I'll show you 20 others who disagree. You're too young, too stupid and too inexperienced to understand that ALL art is in the eyes of the beholder. You're just a wiseass wannabe punk with a stack of old rock mags and his dick in his hands. Give it up, mate.
I'm no punk rocker, I don't wear safety pin in nostrils jimbob. The BBC issued the list I stated, I disagree with list. IMHO the greatest performances that I've seen on film officially and/or unofficially (In no order) were Pink Floyd The Wall Nassau Coliseum '80, Queen in Houston '77, Genesis Lyceum '80, Rush in Montreal '81, Led Zeppelin Earls Court '75, Judas Priest Memphis '82, Styx Capital Center '81, Iron Maiden Dortmund '80, The Who Woodstock 69 and AC/DC Largo 81.
My personal favorite shows I've seen were Pink Floyd Foxboro, MA (5/19/94), Genesis Boston, MA (9/11/2007), Rush Mansfield, MA (6/23/1997), Judas Priest Mansfield, MA (7/7/2009), The Who Mansfield, MA (7/26/2002), The Rolling Stones Foxboro, MA (9/5/2002), Iron Maiden Mansfield, MA (8/6/2000), Roger Waters, Providence, RI (7/16/2000), AC/DC Boston, MA (5/4/2001) and KISS Boston MA (11/12/1998). Go ahead and berate me Mr Fish and Chips burned out Motley Crue ROADIE!
I was a fanatic for Pink Floyd's Animals album yet it was the most boring concert I have evre seen! It was out of doors at night in Los Angeles and they had their balloon animals and we all got their cynicism fine and such, but it was just so monotonous! After a few songs my friends and I made a circle and talked during the remainder of the show.
When bands toured in the 1970s, it was an excuse for people to party. For Pink Floyd's In the Flesh 1977 Tour they had an inflatable family, refrigerator and Cadillac on Dogs and the pig (which would explode) on Pigs. Plus pyro and films and a light show. The footage I've seen on 8mm VOIO wasn't boring. I was a year old in '77. I personally thought punk (aside The Sex Pistols) was BORING! The Ramones got old. The Clash BORING. Once Judas Priest and AC/DC got big, hard rock and metal resurrected!
Sex Pistols were ridiculous. The Ramones and the NYC scene was incredible. I'm so glad to have been a part of that world, as well as the Led Zepp days. And The Cars! Versatile. I will agree that The Clash were boring and so were the Police. Rob Halford signed my brother's crotch (jeans) and asked him to go do coke in his hotel room. My brother declined. You can't limit the 70s as a time where crowds attended shows as an excuse to party! It's always been a blend of both.
Furthermore Jack, I wasn't impressed with Live Aid from Queen (in fact Queen, Zep and The Who were subpar at the show IMHO, Zep is excusable as they hadn't played for five yearsbut no excuse for The Who nor Queen IMHO, Judas Priest stole the show in my eyes). The best Who gig was Leeds in '70 then The Young Vic '71, then Boston '73 (a month after Moon's collapse and right after fleeing the Montreal police and stuck it to the cops with one of their best shows EVER), Chicago '79 and Toronto '82
Keith Moon's playing went to shit because of drugs and alcohol. By The Who by Numbers in 1975, his drumming was more subdued than on the albums from 1965-73 and he did a solo album where he thought he could sing and instead of doing a drummer's album (which would have rocked) he did a singing album which TANKED! By the time of 1978's Who Are You Moon's playing was ruined by the amount of weight he put on due to excessive drug and alcohol abuse and he was also out of time on his drumming.
Bonzo's playing went to shit for exactly the same reason asshole. Let's look at how Bonham died: On September 25, 1980, Bonham was picked up by Led Zeppelin assistant Rex King (also The Who's tour manager, known as "Sexy Rexy") to attend rehearsals at Bray Studios for an upcoming tour of the U.S.; the band's first since 1977. On the way, Bonham asked to stop for breakfast, where he downed four quadruple vodkas (roughly sixteen shots, amounting to about 1/2 of an imperial quart).
It was September 24, 1980 when John Bonham went to the rehearsal at Bray Studios stupid asshole (oh shit, I pissed off jimbob AGAIN) and drank alot. He died September 25, 1980 at Page's home which was previously owned by actor Michael Caine. A decade later, guitarist "Steaming" Steve Clark of Def Leppard died in January of 1991 from double of what Bonham and Moon drank. I don't drink nor do drugs because of what they did to my heroes and almost killed my father.
He continued to drink heavily at rehearsals. A halt was called to rehearsals late in the evening and the band retired to Page's house in Clewer, Windsor. After midnight, Bonham had fallen asleep and was taken to bed and placed on his side. Benji LeFevre (who had replaced Richard Cole as Zeppelin's tour manager) and John Paul Jones found him dead the next afternoon. Bonham was 32 years old. Weeks later at the coroner's inquest, it emerged that in the 24 hours before he died,
Bonham had consumed at least forty (40) shots of 100 proof vodka, which resulted in pulmonary edema: waterlogging of the lungs caused by inhalation of vomit. What an intelligent bloke. He was WORSE OFF than Moon. Moon had quit drinking and was trying to sober up. Bonham was just a fucking alcohol-addicted mess. At least Keith was making an attempt to get control of his life again. So don't moralize to me about Bonham and demonize Moon. At least Moonie was making an attempt to get his life back.
The only reason Moonie was forced to sober up was that Roger and Pete threatened to FIRE HIS ASS after his subpar playing on the Who Are You album and Shepperton gig in 1978. The Ox was partying himself living the rock life himself. Moonie's mistake was waking up and disregarding the taken under a doctor's care note. The irony is the times Keith was at his worst NOTHING HAPPENED then when he was forced to get his shit together HE DIED like a fool.
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You know, call me back if you ever get any credibility. 1.) Roger and Pete HATED each other in those days and NEVER agreed on ANYTHING (Hell, they almost never even spoke to each other), and 2.) Pete loved Moonie so much he would sooner have cut his fingers off than ask Keith to leave the band. But I suppose you "read all about it" here, too, right? Keith "died like a fool"? He died BY ACCIDENT, you arse, under the care of a new doctor who never told him he had to absolutely quit ALL drinking.
Pete and the guys in The Who all had a love-hate relationship in the band. Most bands were that way sans U2, Rush and Genesis. Shut your stinking Richard Barnes dick sucking hole. Keith Moon was a tormented soul who had either BIPOLAR or Schizophrenia and had a drug and alcohol problem. Hell, Britney Spears (the daughter of Satan himself) is Moon's bubblegum counterpart (not fir for parenting, hard partier, abusive, loves attention and will die while getting her shit together).
Not sure why you are getting so many thumbs-down (not that it matters).. it seems like you have a lot of emotional opinions, yes, but you also seem to have some facts. So Keith died from pills, not alcohol? Not a mixture of the two? I'm curious.. it was so long ago.
He had a pint of beer (which has alcohol in it, the non-alcoholic beer is all bullshit) the night he died (that was all he drank). I watched the Behind the Music on Keith that VH1 here in the US aired in 1998 (The Ox was lone Who member interviewed for it). Then Keith left the party Paul McCartney threw and went home and took pills prescribed by DR and went to sleep. He woke up, ate and took more. Forgotten how many he had taken, his g/f went to sleep on sofa. He died in his sleep.
Fuck you asshole-perhaps you should not moralize history. How do you know Bonzo WASN'T trying to sober up when he died? Fact is, they were both drunks living the rock 'n roll lifestyle.
You're just a hypocritical Who fan with a hard on for Moon...Whatever, you can have him.
@NastyNole1 Bonzo drank because he had the blues and missed his family and his farm whereas alot of other rockstars who succumbed to substances or alcohol were just being selfish and recklessly self-indulgent pricks whose ego (as well as the people surrounding them ) made them believe they were invincible . And for the record , I will take Bonham over any other that I have heard personally .
I read Hammer of the Gods and know what did Bonzo in Sherlock. My point is DRINKING AND DRUGS took many talented and gifted musicians out of the ball game (be it Bon Scott, Moon, Bonzo, The Ox, Janis, Jimi Hendrix (who like an idiot shot up and popped pills like no tomorrow), John Belushi, John Panozzo (who alot of people in rock world called "the American Keith Moon" as he was known as a prankster/wild partier like his British counterpart), Tommy Bolin and I can go on).
yup ,it was completely shot not too long after this,somewhere along the way Plant damaged his vocal chords,too much touring,and the songs were hard to sing in the first place
Who gives a shit what some washed up roadie thinks? Anyone who thinks Zep had no stage presence has no head and is a total ASS. Period...end of story.
Zeppelin had a certain degree of stage presence, especially when Robert Plant could still sing (pre-1973) just because of their great production effects and the immortal quality of their music, but they just weren't in the same league as The Who as a live stage band. Not even close. Period. End of story. Oh, and FYI: I'm not, to quote you, "some washed up roadie". I traveled with The Who strictly as an FOB for 30 years except for the '89 tour, when I WAS hired to do a specific project for them.
The Who added a horn section in 1979 (which featured a certain Dick Parry who is known for work with Pink Floyd (and The Wall shows didn't need horns so Dick sat out that tour as he would the Momentary Lapse tour)) and then The Who On Ice Tour and Quad Tours of 1996/97 had female backing singers, horn sections and so on in later years. Zeppelin didn't need horn players nor female singers. When their drummer died, they broke up and didn't record again.
Zeppelin pussied out, let it beat them, and just quit, like little girls, and for many more reasons than Bonzo's death. Jimmy and Robert came to hate each other and still can hardly stand to be in the same room to this day. The Who always overcame their internal squabbles (and there were many), evolved as all great bands do and kept making great music. Who cares about backing singers and horn sections? It's an artistic choice made by the band. I didn't hear any fans complaining.
Some bands become self parodies as they get older. Pink Floyd broke up to interband squabbles in 1983. They had none once Roger Waters left. David Gilmour in fact rehired Rick Wright when Waters quit (Waters fired Wright) and got Nick Mason playing drums well again. Pink Floyd quit at the top of the mountain (like Zeppelin) whilst The Who is now mainly a nostalgia act like The Rolling Stones pretty much. I've seen The Who four times and each time it was WORSE!
The Who On Ice (as Pete called the 25th anniversary tour) I saw in 1989 when I was 13 (first concert I went to) and enjoyed it. However, when I saw the 1982 Toronto gig on TV later in 1989 I was like The Who were better without all the backing singers, Maraiachi horn players and Steve Bolton. In fact Pete stated on Rockline that David Gilmour was his first choice to play guitar on 1989 tour but DG politely declined because PF embarked on a second European tour in '89 after the 87/88 tour ended.
I'm sure David Gilmour WAS Pete's first choice to play lead on the '89 tour. He was Alan Rogan's (best guitar tech in the biz who's worked for every great guitarist on the planet), too, and I'm sure ONLY a PF conflict kept him away. He and Pete were and are great friends. As far as all the extra musicians, that was a creative decision made mostly by Pete. I wasn't wild about it, either, but he wanted to try it, and he did include Rabbit (Bundrick) on keyboards and Simon Phillips on drums.
Look, Floyd old man, without all the name calling, I agree with you. I don't think Pete and Roger should be touring as "The Who", and I've voiced that strenuously to Pete. Problem is, he disagrees, for whatever reason, and it's his sandbox. I've seen the band,God, I don't even know how many times, and I'm personally of the opinion that The Who died when Keith did, and surely when John did. BTW: I suppose you're now going to tell me John Paul Jones was a better bass player than Entwistle. Please!
John Entwistle is my favorite deceased bass player (with Cliff Burton in a close second) and he was the first bass player to play bass guitar as if it were a regular guitar. Favorite living bass players who are still alive and active are Mike Rutherford, John Deacon (though retired from music after Freddie died and The Ox and Chris Squire were his favorite bass players). My favorite guitarists are David Gilmour then Brian May then Steve Hackett as far as living. Hendrix was a joke by 1969.
Hey jimbob (whatever you call youself hick), Led Zeppelin broke up because they knew John Bonham was irreplaceable. Pink Floyd officially ended with the death of Rick Wright last year. Genesis had their perfect swan song at The Hollywood Bowl in 2007 as Phil Collins officially retired in 2008. Some people didn't accept The Who without Keith and/or John. Can't change them. I'm 33 years old jackoff but I've done homework and you prove you are one whiny, sniffly, piece of trailer park trash!
You, poor boy, are a 33 year old uneducated moron who believes everything he reads (it's amazing you CAN read) with a tenuous grasp of the facts, not to mention reality, and some serious psychiatric issues you need to work on. I on the other hand, am 52 y/o, had unlimited access not only to The Who, but to most every major rock act from 1975 to 2006, and spent most of my life as an FOB of The Who or a guest of any other major act. I've spent time with Robert (Plant) so often I can't even count.
Queen was an excellent live band, but not nearly as good as The Who, despite Freddy Mercury. I've worked in the rock business for over 35 years, and seen everybody, trust me, and there's just no band on earth that was as dynamic on stage as The Who when Keith Moon was still alive, mate. It's just not even close. Zeppelin wasn't even in the top 5. Their music was great, but they had no stage presence at all.
Jimdad, Nick Mason was better than Moonie (watch Pink Floyd at Pompeii on A Saucerful of Secrets and One of These Days (where Nick loses his stick and plays on flawlessly whilst retrieving another). Even Phil Collins was better than Keith Moon who killed himself because he did too many drugs and drank too much. The Who were jealous of Zeppelin in the 1970s as Zeppelin had all but two albums hit #1 in the US (The Who did not ever hit #1 with an album) and played bigger venues than The Who.
floydgenesisnut, not only are you clearly wrong about Mason (who wasn't even close to as good as Keith, who lost or broke sticks during shows every night and not only never missed a beat but incorporated it into the show) and Collins (who was definitely very good but not the pure maniacal talent Moon was), but you're ignorant of rock history. Not only were The Who not jealous of Zeppelin, they were actually very friendly, and they each sold out stadiums, the largest venues available at the time.
A bit of rock history for you, mate: the original planned lineup for Led Zeppelin was Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, John Entwistle and Keith Moon, and it almost happened. Jimmy called John and Keith at a time (and there were many) when Pete and Roger were fighting and Pete had "broken up" The Who. John and Keith, being tired of that shit, went to the meeting, and Keith actually named the band, telling Jimmy that they'd probably "sink like a lead zeppelin". Jimmy took out the "a' and Zep was named.
Pete Townshend on The History of Rock and Roll 1970s Have a Nice Decade episode stated he hated Zeppelin and resented them for their success. Zeppelin were bigger than The Rolling Stones and The Who in the 1970s. Even Pink Floyd got bigger than The Rolling Stones and The Who (The Rolling Stones hated PF (Keith and Mick openly bashed them) and were jealous of PF whilst The Who and PF were always friends and admired each other. Pete and Roger had worked with David Gilmour on numerous occasions).
Friends and admirers of each other or not, on their best day Pink Floyd just didn't even come CLOSE to comparing favorably with The Who as a live stage act. They were a great studio band, but despite The Wall tour, never measured up on stage. It was so not even close that anyone who knew anything about 70s rock wouldn't even bother to try and make the argument. So you've betrayed yourself as a phony, a neophyte, and an idiot.
You are an asskisser. You probably like Avril Lavigne and Britney Spears Jimbob, you sound like a redneck piece of trailer park trash. The Who was at its prime until 1973 then went to crap for two albums partially due to Moonie's drumming deterioration and also Pete's drinking got out of hand. Keep your mouth shut and you got owned by Zeppelin fans and A PINK FLOYD FAN you stupid SON OF A BITCH!
I have many Floyd shows on bootleg and so forth and they had many great shows. They may have had no stage presence but the visuals and props went well with the music. I almost forgot, Pink Floyd sold more tickets and albums than The Who as of 1973 with Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, the underrated Animals and the epic The Wall (you can add A Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell to the list). It's people, not critics nor magazines that like music.
Pete and Roger got over their row a bit later, and The Who were put back together again. Jimmy and Robert then recruited John Paul Jones and Bonzo, and Zeppelin was born. And lad, you've no idea how Keith died. Obviously. He'd actually quit drugs and drinking, for real, and was under a doctor's care, who gave him a prescription called Heminevrin, a sedative to alleviate his alcohol withdrawal symptoms. Moon accidentally took too many, and was found by his girlfriend, Annette Walter-Lax in bed.
I know that but the stupid son of a bitch had a 16 oz bottle of beer the night he went out on town before he died. Annette Walter Lax said he drank at the Paul and Linda McCartney party. Then the biographer of Keith's stated he and Annette went home and Keith took too much Hemineverin and his girlfriend went to sleep on the sofa because of his snoring. Once again Keith took too much pills he knew too little about. The feeling Moon got from pills was same he got from drinking brandy.
I'm not ignorant of rock history. Keith was known for not only drumming but for his crazy man schtick who made other rockers look reserved. Did John Bonham collapse on stage during a gig, no! Did Moonie QUITE A FEW TIMES. The Who dropped Love Reign after the 1973 tour because Keith had difficulty playing 12/8, 6/4 and 3/4 on stage in later years due to excessive drug abuse and lifestyle. In fact, Roger Daltrey KO'd Moonie after Moonie whined about Roger flushing his cocaine down flush.
You ARE ignorant of rock history, mate. I was on every Who tour from 1977 to 2006. Moon collapsed on stage ONCE, on the 1973 Quadrophenia tour, at the Cow Palace in San Francisco. Moon took a large number of tranquilizers and brandy (he said he was dosed and the band believed him). He passed out during "Won't Get Fooled Again" and again in "Magic Bus." Townshend asked the audience, "Can anyone play the drums? - I mean somebody good." A young fan, Scot Halpin, filled in for the rest of the show.
Furthermore, The Who did NOT "drop" Love Reign 'Oer Me from 1973 to 1978, when Keith died, and Moonie never had any trouble playing it, or anything else, whether a Who tune or not. Yes, he certainly had a rep as a hard-partying madman, but that was part of his legend. It NEVER affected his playing on stage (except for that one time in SF, and he maintained to his death that someone did it TO him). You think Bonzo never played drunk or wasted? I have news for you, mate. He did it ALL THE TIME!
And yes, Roger dropped Moonie once during a row in the dressing room after a show after Keith accused him of flushing his blow down the loo and took a swing at him, but 1) Roger was and still is an antisocial, overly aggressive "tough guy" asshole, and is UNIVERSALLY disliked in the rock community (where Keith was absolutely beloved), and 2) it was AFTER the show, you loon, and EVERY band in those days partied backstage after a show. Even Zeppelin, and ESPECIALLY Bonzo, who was given to excess.
The fact that Moonie's drumming and "crazy man schtick" made "other rockers look reserved" was what made him the greatest drummer in the history of rock, greater even than Bonham (which is saying a LOT). Even John (Bonham) said Keith was the best ever. Many times. I heard him say it. Keith's use of his floor toms was unequalled. I asked the Ox (Entwistle) how he possibly kept time with Keith, and he said he watched his feet. Entwistle said Keith's feet always kept absolutely perfect time.
Just to close things out with you, you nutter, Pete says lots of things in print he doesn't really mean. On purpose. He takes great delight in screwing with interviewers (except his best friend from art school and official Who biographer Richard Barnes. He never screwed with Barney). He was quoted once saying that Hendrix "sucked", when in reality, Pete worshipped his playing (who didn't?) and liked Jimi very much personally. When you really know what you're talking about, mate, post again, OK?
The Who and Zeppelin had a great deal of mutual respect, and still do. In a quiet moment, Pete will tell you he thinks Zep songs are "masterpieces". Members of both bands used to hang out backstage at the other's gigs, EVEN IN THE '70S, all the time. I was there. Jimmy and Pete were especially close, and Pete used to muck around with Jimmy's double neck in the dressing room all the time. Jimmy used to laugh like hell at him, and beg him playfully not to smash it just because he couldn't play it!
Hey jimbob, I heard many boots from 73/74 and Moonie's playing went to shit. Love Reign was dropped in 1974/75/76 partially Moon couldn't handle it. Again I own your ass. Moon's drug use ruined his drumming. John Bonham always delivered on stage regardless of how much alcohol and drug intake he had. Moonie collapsed in Boston at the Boston Garden after taking muscle relaxers like the idiot he became once he started abusing drugs like crazy after he accidentally killed his chauffer Neal Boland.
Look, you wanker, you may have heard boots from those shows but I was there, and Keith's playing went anywhere but to shit. He was at the peak of his entire career during that period. So you don't own my bum, but you can certainly kiss it! Bonzo's drumming was as affected by being drunk and wasted on stage as anyone's was. You're some kind of loony wannabe but I know: I saw it. But Bonzo or Moonie drunk was still better than 99% of rock drummers sober, which was how they both got away with it.
You're right about one thing: the Neal Boland incident haunted Keith until the day he died. He loved that guy, and he never forgave himself for what happened. As far as I remember, Keith collapsed ONCE, and that was the famous Cow Palace show in SF. If you can show me reviews or newspaper articles about this supposed Boston Garden collapse, I'll chalk it up to the drugs I was taking in those days. I think you're all talk, and won't be able to come up with a single written account of it. WANKER!
Here's proof of Moon's Boston collapse in '76 and paste v=KMrHaxFHH8k. Read it and WEEP! John Entwistle even talked about the incident on the In The Studio episode of Thirty Years of Maximum R&B aired in '94 and on the Keith Moon Behind the Music where there was proof of the article published in The Boston Globe. Papers cited the flu for his collapse but the band knew otherwise. They rescheduled the show on April 1 and delivered one of their greatest performances.
The Who didn't tour in '77 jackass nor 1978 (apart from shows filmed for The Kids Are Alright which were marred with Keith Moon's subpar drumming (which was overdubbed for the soundtrack album)). In fact, Kenney Jones' replacing Moon saved The Who and gave them their two best albums since Quadrophenia out of Face Dances and It's Hard. You say you worked for The Who, then I worked for Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
Once again you betray your ignorance, jackass. The Who toured the Eastern half of the US in late '76, finishing up with the Spectrum in Philly and MSG in New York, then took the rest of December and most of January off, then came back and did the entire Western US in early to mid '77. If you think otherwise, you've got your head even farther up your bum than I thought. Ask Peter Rudge or Bill Curbishley, their co-managers at the time. Man, you just don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Regarding Kenney Jones, he was Roger's choice. Pete never wanted him but Curbishley did, so Pete gave in. Pete wanted Simon Phillips, who was "his" drummer and drummed on his solo albums, and eventually he got him. Face Dances and It's Hard were The Who's "best" LPs since Quad, you're just an arse. They were the most commercially successful since Who's Next, actually, genius, but the most hated by the record critics and by Who fans. And as far as my being on the tours, want to see the laminates?
Hey, my kids are curious: since you worked for the Easter Bunny and Kris Kringle, will you come by the house in your bunny ears and your white beard and red suit? They're all geared up for it!
You see, I only "worked" for the band once, on the '89 25th Anniversary Tour. I was doing a university research project on the '76-77 tour (you remember - the one that never happened, right?), so I was working that tour, but not for the band. Other than that, I was strictly an FOB. With an All Access Pass.
The Who toured in 75/76. 1977 Pete did his Rough Mix album with Ronnie Lane and Roger made his third solo effort. You also claim Pink Floyd were boring on stage but they helped with The Who in pioneering rock theatrics. The Who had no light show, PF did. Film projections, pyro (exploding/burning gong (Zep did it also), crashing/exploding planes and beds, fireworks and flashpots), inflatables (like the pigs, people, The Wall characters and inflatable Cadillac) and of course erected a wall!
After looking at my laminate, you're right. It WAS '75-'76. Sometimes the years got all blended up back then. I'm big enough to admit when I'm wrong. Are you? And rock theatrics and rock lighting effects are two COMPLETELY different things, nobby. Every band had a light show back then, just not an advanced laser light show. If you think lasers are what makes a great rock show, you really ARE clueless. PF WAS ultra-boring on stage. The Who were the most dynamic stage band in rock history. Period.
Roger on In The Studio with Redbeard said he was dead set against replacing Moon with Jones and likened him to a wheel of a Cadillac on a Rolls Royce. Face Dances was critically praised by some as the best record since Quadrophenia (I read a Boston Globe article and it said so from April of 1981). I personally loved Face Dances (was fourth Who album I ever had, first was The Kids Are Alright Soundtrack then was It's Hard followed by Greatest Hits then FD then WN and so forth).
#1, what Roger says now and what he said then are often two very different things, so I don't care what he said later or says now. I HEARD what he said then. And well, bollix, if a rock authority like the Boston Globe liked Face Dances, that must be it. It's ONE second tier newspaper. Try rock-specific pubs and writers like Rolling Stone, Creem, Crawdaddy, Bomp, Robert Hilburn, Lester Bangs, Mark Shipper, Tom Nolan, etc. They UNIVERSALLY panned Face Dances and It's Hard, and HATED Kenney Jones.
Anyone who puts any stock in anything Roger said or says, now or then, clearly doesn't know Roger very well. Tommy is deemed The Who's best double album (first "rock opera" and such, a term Pete always hated), although I think Quadrophenia's a MUCH better & more mature work, and Who's Next is almost universally considered the best LP they ever made and by many as the greatest rock single album ever, bar none. Face Dances and Its Hard, critically speaking, are so far down the list it's laughable.
Tommy, Who's Next and Quad no mistake are classics BUT NONE reached #1 in the US. In fact The Who did not ever have a #1 album here in America in their own right. Carole King's Tapestry and The Stones' Sticky Fingers kept Who's Next from #1. Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road kept Quad out of #1, the soundtrack to Grease kept Who Are You from #1. Face Dances was held back by Dirty Deeds by AC/DC at #3, Hi Infidelity by REO Speedwagon which was #2 and Paradise Theatre by Styx which was #1.
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I have but one response that The Who never had a #1 LP in the States: WHO CARES? Sales figures were all bullshit in those days anyway, 100% controlled by the flow of money and blow from the record companies to radio music and program directors and particularly to retailers, who just reported (more like invented) their own sales figures and Billboard took them at face value! What a crock of shit, and anyone in the biz knew it. You were still sucking Mommy's tit in those days and so know NOTHING!
Hey asswipe, my mother is dead. You disrespecting my dead mother shows you are a sorry excuse of a human being! Disrespecting dead people shows me you're despicable. Album sales were different in the 1970s as they are to today. The Who were successful and great (don't get me wrong) BUT The Stones, The Eagles, Zeppelin, Jethro Tull, Grand Funk Railroad and Pink Floyd were bigger. The Who didn't play stadiums in the US until later in around '76 (Zep, Grand Funk, PF and Tull beat The Who to it).
@floydgenesisnut: The first time The Who headlined an American stadium was 1970. Tommy certified them worthy of stadiums but they hated them. It wasn't like they couldn't sell them out. The Who's Next tour in 1971 could have been a stadium tour. It just wasn't, simple as that. Quadrophenia proved unworkable in stadiums. It was unworkable in British cinemas for that matter. Too ambitious. Not to mention they toured Quadrophenia in the dead of winter in 1973 making stadiums impossible.
Not to mention others who panned Face Dances and It's Hard: SPIN, Vibe, The Village Voice (Robert Christgau), the legendary UK critic Alan Light, Nigel Sinclair, Glyn Johns, Shel Talmy, Dave Marsh and the most widely recognized Who writer and historian of all time (and Pete's lifelong best friend) Richard (Barney) Barnes, ALL of whom considered, to be generous, Face Dances and It's Hard to be FAR down on the list of the greatest Who records. Maybe you should consider doing some fact checking.
The Who toured the US in 1975 and 1976 jackass. There were NO SHOWS in 1977 as Pete Townshend recorded his solo record with Ronnie Lane called Rough Mix and Roger Daltrey recorded his One of the Boys album. John Entwistle was demoing tracks for Who Are You and Keith Moon was partying like a crazed dog. Then they recorded Who Are You late that year and did the Kilburn show for TKAA that December imbecile.
Poor Robert! He was really sick while singing Sick again
kozmamate9d 1 month ago
Bonzo....the engine who powered the the mighty Zep!!
charger4079 3 months ago
Not earls court because plants voice didn't sound ill in the professional earls court recordings.
Matthew8Iadevaia 5 months ago
Plant flu or not id take Led-Zeppelin over the Who Any Day :D and thats a fact
xxmaxexstreamxx 6 months ago
This is incedible footage!
wedgem 7 months ago in playlist LED ZEPPELIN
Now really, why did they play the concert with Plant in this condition? Could't they just cancel/postpone it? That's why he got all those vocal chords problems. For some damn hours of yelling while he should have been resting in bed and having a hot cup of tea, he got an entire life of problems. And it's frickin February in NY and Plant is sick and half-naked on stage! Fuck this stupid rock-god image thing! I won't be watching this anymore, I'm not that sadistic!
miki03soimu 8 months ago
@miki03soimu February in NY? It was in Madison Square Garden...and indoor arena! I have been to many concerts there, in winter, and i always wind up jacket off , short sleeve shirt. Now maybe, he should have cancelled due to illness, but dont blame the NY winter during the show..In NYC, we have something that was invented years ago..its called INDOOR HEATING...makes your indoors very warm and comfortable...check it out
pmdnyc 7 months ago
@miki03soimu there tour schedule was to hectic. no time to reschedule.
sold out show.commitments are made.Sadly there manager was all about the money.
they were going on no matter what!!! this was the 70's !!!!!
nickfame3021 4 weeks ago
Zep is GREAT.. Plants voice sounds a bit horse hear, but man that singings gotta take it's toll after a while.. Grew up with, absolutely love them
WingThaiJ 9 months ago
Is there more footage of the audience, cause i can see some at 5:35.
ledZep342 9 months ago
Bonham is the greatest drummer of all time. Hence when he died, the band folded, they knew they could not replace him. Who cares what his vice was, he was a beast and the soul of Zeppelin.
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This is incredible! I can't believe all the rediculous banter from you guys, go to 1'38," then just shut your lips and learn.
MarkLevyMusic 10 months ago
This is incredible! I can't believe all the rediculous banter from you guys, go to 1'45," then just shut your lips and learn.
MarkLevyMusic 10 months ago
you know I am wondering if they allowed this fellow to film ,cause zep was pretty adament about super 8 cameras and such.this guy might have been doing for them for a host of different reasons.he is way too close to the stage to not get yanked from the crowd.
sungodrah 11 months ago
@sungodrah Yeah, Peter Grant would've tossed him.
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Wisztrock 11 months ago
before you idots start to say sth like he has a bad voice look at the description :plant was sick during this concert(he had the flu).I think it explains everything and if you look at other videos he doesnt have it so shut the f¤¤k up he is one of the best singers in rock history
boy577 1 year ago 6
Bonzo destroys Moon. It's not even up for debate.
steveponch 1 year ago 2
horrible vocals...
nazzare79 1 year ago
@nazzare79 Lets see you sing 3 hours a show giving it all you got playing 32 shows in 30 days. Talk to me then about vocals. If you can even talk afterwards. Here endeth the lesson.
s2kx2 1 year ago 2
@s2kx2 yes you're totally right, but Ian Gillan did exactely the same and He even screamed a lot more each night and during the 70's He never had these kind of problems...nowdays both Plant and Gillan are justified due their age and lifestyle...
nazzare79 1 year ago
@nazzare79 sing better
Vladymir1916 11 months ago
@Vladymir1916 ?
nazzare79 11 months ago
@nazzare79 you says that the vocal is horrible, I say sing better than him.
Vladymir1916 11 months ago
@Vladymir1916 I just can play drums...sorry...
nazzare79 11 months ago
Does anyone know if this concert is available unedited?
chapmanway81 1 year ago
zeppelins one of those bands that sounds even better live
luckyluciano36420 1 year ago
Plant is all monotone...
sirlordwhitman 1 year ago
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overrated crap
flappospammo 1 year ago
When chasing a Dragon, only one thing is sure... You will inevitably step on it's tail,
and then you will realize, that the Dragon has turned around on you. In the end, you chase the Dragon till he catches you!
StellarBlue1 1 year ago
@StellarBlue1 Profound. Moving. Inspirational.
Not.
Johnny6666 1 year ago
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The show must go on...
MrSistermaryelephant 1 year ago
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Wisztrock 1 year ago
these days a concert would be cancelled if the lead singer was sick. percy sounds horrible- but is a trouper.
0914superss 1 year ago
let me clear something up for every one what ur hearing is the raw sound captured on that camera ......... the soundtrack mastered is much better sounding
Mightyhumungus 1 year ago
plant sounds horrible
wvankley 1 year ago
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@wvankley ------ let me clear something up for every one what ur hearing is the raw sound captured on that camera ......... the soundtrack mastered is much better sounding
Mightyhumungus 1 year ago
@wvankley
The reason for Robert's vocals being sub-standard was illness for some of the 1975 tour. He actually sounded much better during this part of the tour than he did at the start. There was a few gigs in 75 {Cleveland, North Carolina and Indy} that were some of the worst gigs the band performed in their career. So if you were fortunate enough to catch any of the New York shows at either the Garden or Nassau Coliseum, you actually saw a solid performance.
Paneeks~Boston
Paneeks1960 1 year ago
@Paneeks1960 I think he sounds pretty bad all of the time :)
Poochyenagirl 1 year ago
@Poochyenagirl
If you think he sounds bad all the time, why are you searching the live Zeppelin videos section on YT? It seems that the people who knock Robert Plant are just envious of his massive success am I wrong? You must be fan of the Monkees or Bowie fan.
Paneeks/Boston
Paneeks1960 1 year ago 3
@Poochyenagirl when he was young 1968-1973 well he still was but his voice was the most powerful and highest and best sounding then and it was in 1979 he just got off surgery in this concert but when he was young he was the best. ROBERT is # 1
tj4y9 1 year ago
Were concert audiences quieter back then? Don't hear any constant screaming or cheering like you do in today's concerts.
bigtwit 1 year ago
@bigtwit NO, I'd be willing to say they were louder and I've been going to shows since the mid 70's.
da324 1 year ago
1975 is correct, but looking at the lights at the front of the stage I'd have to say this is Earl's Court, not MSG.
kuckoldking 1 year ago
@kuckoldking the costumes are not if they were earls court.
Canadiarockmusic 1 year ago
@kuckoldking nope looks more like Philly , but they say New york
Mightyhumungus 1 year ago
RubHerSou1 i do quite enjoy the most xcellent clockwork orange lingo---and i will scrap anytime you say
rygar75 2 years ago
I remixed Pink Floyd with Led Zeppelin.
On me profile it is.
StingChameleonREMIX 2 years ago
Fantastic footage, especially in light of extremely rare visual documentation of this period. You know Robert Plant would have voted to sing when he was in better voice, but as Peter Grant and "they" say, "The show must go on."
Solpugid 2 years ago
Even great bands suck sometimes...
bappek 2 years ago
Disappointing! Page is on the smack (anorexic looking), Bonzo's Oliver Hardy, Plant's voice is shot. Jones is the only one on. Go back a few years and they were hot. Sad how this was the beginning of the end. Read up on it if u don't believe me. I love the You Tube black/white footage. That was some awesome footage.
RevrendJohnson 2 years ago
I dont believe you. Plant was sick, during the early parts ot the tour in 75 so it took him a while to warm up. Page had hurt his hand as well. By the middle of the tour the band was rolling check out audio from LA or Dallas from that tour for proof.
cmpody 1 year ago
I'd say 75 was a pretty awesome tour once they got warmed up. It was 77-80 that was really hit and miss. Mostly miss. there are some gems in there though. Have you heard "Listen to this Eddie"?
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trixie10121 2 years ago
led zeppelin is amaaaazing
robertplantisamazing 2 years ago
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FireYourJOB 2 years ago
Why You Watchin??
zionsoldman 2 years ago
Wow, how authentic can you get? Better be glad Peter Grant didn't find you, he would've killed you!
DCussen 2 years ago 2
True. What a draq he was.
brianpadraic 2 years ago
I realize its bootleg, but DAMN! I wish there wouldn't have been so many breaks inbetween songs.. I still loved it though.. don't get me wrong.
DenPay 2 years ago
i have a bootleg of their last performance at MSG on this tour and it is kick ass. So they rebounded well.
69chunkylover69 2 years ago
Bonzo looking for a little ultra-violence.. Give a chick the ol in and out.....
bayamrob 2 years ago
haha nice i see you like
clockwork orange ;]
i7692o 2 years ago
@bayamrob Ha ha. Ooby Doob. a bit of a pain in the gulliver. Right right. A true Yobbo.
RubHerSoul1 2 years ago
glad to here from someone who was there.doesnt sound that bad.worst show ever??i think it sounds good considering.just my opinion.
diagreen 2 years ago
I was at this show and i am sorry to say the had a bad night(I am being kind)!plant had the flu an jimmy was higher than usual!worst show i ever saw,really sad!
towncarguy04 2 years ago
LZ hates the pirates :D
eniac111 2 years ago 11
The solo sounds great!
LesPaulGoldTop21 2 years ago
Bonzo was a animal on drums!
meikagirl 2 years ago 2
You are a woman right? If the answer is yes......I will be an animal on you!!
californiaclaybo 2 years ago
If I got a sex change I would be-No thanks!
meikagirl 2 years ago
oops! We'll just forget this little episode! Whats up with the meika GIRL
californiaclaybo 2 years ago
how do u know plant was sick
DaveMustaine1961 2 years ago
English people approach alcoholism from two very different places comparative to Americans.
WeedVulva 2 years ago
oh, Plant was Sick Again
enlightening 2 years ago
In fact John Bonham warned fellow Swan Song labelmates Bad Company about getting out of line with drugs and alcohol. There were very few others who avoided drugs and/or alcohol like the plague. I'm a Who fan but your stories sound like tall tales. I try to set the record straight after hearing various radio interviews and so forth. You ever meet any of the Pink Floyd guys then like Roger Waters, David Gilmour, the late Rick Wright and Nick Mason. If so, which member was jerk which one friendly.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
The Quad Tour 1997 was boring (I can admit bad shows). They made up for it in 2002 when I saw them in Boston right after Entwistle's death and Robert Plant opened. Plant did very well and did some Zep tunes (like Four Sticks, Going to California and Babe I'm Gonna Leave You). Also Pete was back to playing electric like in the old days. The Endless Wire shows weren't bad but once I've seen one Who show I saw them all I suppose.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
Floydy, you deluded little bloke, I'll clearly I'll never get you to acknowledge the truth (which is, in the final analysis, subjective anyway, so our whole "conversation" means NOTHING!), so I'll just tolerate your ignorance and attribute it to your youth. I thought the '97 Quadrophenia Tour (my FAVORITE Who album, the one that converted me) was FUCKING OUTSTANDING! Crowds were on their feet for 2+ hours, man. You had to see it to believe it. You stick with Zeppelin, but quit badmouthing Keith!
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Keith Moon was a great drummer and one of rock's famous personalities but he was also abusive and destructive. When he wasn't playing drums, he was either partying like he was still a High Schooler or beating his wife/girlfriends to a pulp. I hated the fact Moon beat his wife. I lost respect when I read Tony Fletcher's biography on Moon when revealed that he physically beat Kim to a pulp. Bonzo hated life as rocker and drank to cope with being away from his wife and kids by comparison.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
With rock artists, or any artists, dear deluded boy, you have to separate the artist from the person. There were many great artists who were deeply flawed people. It happens. While Moonie was fun to carouse with, especially on the road, he definitely had many demons. But so do a thousand rock artists. It's common to "the life". I detest any "man" who beats up women..or kids. But Moonie THE DRUMMER is a different story. You hate him because of his personal life. But as a drummer, he had no equal.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
I've seen better drummers than Moonie (Bonham was who got me into drumming and he did more with one bass drum than Moon could with two). I cannot deny Moonie was great up to 1969/70 but then Neal Boland's death turned him into an abusive and silly drunk and his antics made him almost a Spinal Tap parody. Keith could be lovable, charming without drugs and alcohol but the drugs and alcohol made him miserable, self loathing and so forth.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago 2
Footage I've seen of Keith at his home with his family.. outside with their dogs and running and playing, well he sure was a lot more than an alcoholic who happened to be an incredible drummer. Truly. I have to say that I look at Dave Grohl as one of today's best drummer. Anything he does with Queens of the Stone Age is just out of this world. Thoughts?
julieswahn 2 years ago
When the pics weren't taken, Keith Moon regularly abused his first wife Kim (smacked her and broke her nose three times). In fact his abuse was why she and their daughter Mandy left him in '73. In fact Keith's daughter Mandy didn't have a relationship with her dad. Queens of the Stone Age absolutely SUCK! Dave Grohl is a boring drummer. Dave Lombardo would slaughter him in a drumming contest. The NWOBHM was best thing to happen to rock. The New Romantic and punk movements were pretty much shit!
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
"Partying like he was still a High Schooler" is one thing. With some notable exceptions, like Aerosmith, MOST rockers do exactly that when they're not performing. Are you saying Bonzo didn't "party like he was still a High Schooler"? No, he partied MUCH worse than that. 4 double vodkas FOR BREAKFAST the day he died? What the hell do you call that? Beating up women is something else, but it's a psychiatric flaw needing treatment more than scorn. Keith needed help with many things. So did Bonzo.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Well the members of Pink Floyd, Genesis and Rush led quiet lives by comparison to The Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, The Who, Zeppelin. In fact Aerosmith's wild ways led Rush to quit opening up for Aerosmith as they had zero tolerance for the heavy drug use. Jethro Tull had a well known hatred for drugs. Ian Anderson hated drugs like no tomorrow. Roger Waters avoided drugs sans alcohol and tobacco (he quit the latter in 1975) as he knew they were destructive.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
I saw the '97 leg and was somewhat disappointed as opposed to the Princes Trust performance of Quad that I saw here in the States on HBO with David Gilmour in 96. Roger was spot on, the Ox stole the show and Pete was excellent. Best was LROM when Geoff Whitehorn and DG did harmony leads. Only reason DG didn't do Quad tour was Pink Floyd toured in 94 and he and his wife were having child #2 and PF got in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame though Dave Marsh and Jann Wenner whined profusely about it.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
Let's see, I have quite a few Zeppelin boots (Earls Court 1975 and Seattle 1977) and from what I have, they owned The Who (especially in the 1973-75 period where Zep owned The Who in concert). The Who whilst good and The Rolling Stones whom are now Spinal Tap didn't have majesty that Zeppelin had. Zeppelin were bigger in the US than The Who, The Who are beloved in the UK whilst still in the shadows compared to The Beatles and Stones for the first British Invasion
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
What I post comes from life experience, not reading and bootlegs. I've been blessed to have lived my life among rock's royalty. I wouldn't trade my life for anything. Someday, I'll write a book (I HAVE to!)....and you can read it and get the REAL story. I could sell my rock 'n roll memorabilia on eBay for literally hundreds of thousands, no problem. I never will, but I could. But I LOVED Zep, little Floyd, but they NEVER, and I mean NEVER, and CERTAINLY not '73-'75, "owned" The Who in concert.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
You put together a "Battle of the Bands" with The Who, Led Zeppelin, The Stones, The Kinks (another LEGENDARY stage act, one of the greats), Cream, Pink Floyd, Tull, and The Beatles (NOBODY could top The Beatles- they set the standard for ALL who followed), but outside of the Boys from Liverpool, The Who would kick the shit out of every one of them live. Majesty? Bullshit! How about straight ahead, in-your-face, pull you out of your seat scream your ass off rock 'n roll? NOBODY topped The Who.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Many critics picked Queen's show at Live Aid (though not one of my favorite Queen gigs personally, I preferred Montreal 1981 and Houston 1977) as the greatest live performance ever. Where was The Who in the list, NOWHERE TO BE FOUND SCHMUCK! The Beatles set the template I know (I'm no fool). I've been to many shows in my life and I prefer the '67 to '72 live period of The Who to later Who tours which was plagued with problems. Did your Britney Spears and Miley Cyrus blowup dolls Jimbob?
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
"Many critics"..like who...specifically? Name names. I LOVED Queen....but after Freddy, what brought you out of your seat? Brian May was very talented...and virtually immobile. You're great at generalizations but a tad short on specifics, aren't you, mate? You're 33. You were BORN in 1976, for God's sake. You were 1 during Houston in '77 and 5 when they did Montreal in '81. Performance is subjective (look it up). To the pros in rock, nobody ever equalled The Who on stage. I know. I WAS there.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
You claim to have been there in your wet dreams. Channel 4 in your homeland and picked by artists and critics alike ran the Ten Greatest Performances and Queen at Live Aid was #1, Hendrix at Woodstock was #2. Also there was Bob Dylan, David Bowie, Bob Marley and Oasis. Nirvana's final UK appearance at the '92 Reading Festival, Brian Wilson's Smile concert at London's Royal Festival Hall in 2004 and The Rolling Stones' Hyde Park gig in July 1969 after the death of the bandmate Brian Jones.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
Then I guess I must have been having those wet dreams since 1975, 'cuz I must have 15-20 or more large boxes of rock memorabilia in me attic, including all my laminates from every show I ever went to, so if all those shows were wet dreams, they were bloody realistic ones. More important, ALL PERFORMANCE IS SUBJECTIVE! There is NO absolute best. Can't be done. What's best for you may be #25 for me. And still,1.) you're a 33 y/o baby and 2.) who the fuck made Ch.4 the ultimate bloody rock critic?
jimdad5883 2 years ago
"Picked by artists and critics alike", eh? AGAIN, Floydie my young know-it-all puppy, WHICH critics and WHICH artists? For once in your sad little life, NAME NAMES. And even if you can, which I doubt, for every "critic" and "artist" you name, I'll show you 20 others who disagree. You're too young, too stupid and too inexperienced to understand that ALL art is in the eyes of the beholder. You're just a wiseass wannabe punk with a stack of old rock mags and his dick in his hands. Give it up, mate.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
I'm no punk rocker, I don't wear safety pin in nostrils jimbob. The BBC issued the list I stated, I disagree with list. IMHO the greatest performances that I've seen on film officially and/or unofficially (In no order) were Pink Floyd The Wall Nassau Coliseum '80, Queen in Houston '77, Genesis Lyceum '80, Rush in Montreal '81, Led Zeppelin Earls Court '75, Judas Priest Memphis '82, Styx Capital Center '81, Iron Maiden Dortmund '80, The Who Woodstock 69 and AC/DC Largo 81.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
My personal favorite shows I've seen were Pink Floyd Foxboro, MA (5/19/94), Genesis Boston, MA (9/11/2007), Rush Mansfield, MA (6/23/1997), Judas Priest Mansfield, MA (7/7/2009), The Who Mansfield, MA (7/26/2002), The Rolling Stones Foxboro, MA (9/5/2002), Iron Maiden Mansfield, MA (8/6/2000), Roger Waters, Providence, RI (7/16/2000), AC/DC Boston, MA (5/4/2001) and KISS Boston MA (11/12/1998). Go ahead and berate me Mr Fish and Chips burned out Motley Crue ROADIE!
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
I was a fanatic for Pink Floyd's Animals album yet it was the most boring concert I have evre seen! It was out of doors at night in Los Angeles and they had their balloon animals and we all got their cynicism fine and such, but it was just so monotonous! After a few songs my friends and I made a circle and talked during the remainder of the show.
julieswahn 2 years ago
When bands toured in the 1970s, it was an excuse for people to party. For Pink Floyd's In the Flesh 1977 Tour they had an inflatable family, refrigerator and Cadillac on Dogs and the pig (which would explode) on Pigs. Plus pyro and films and a light show. The footage I've seen on 8mm VOIO wasn't boring. I was a year old in '77. I personally thought punk (aside The Sex Pistols) was BORING! The Ramones got old. The Clash BORING. Once Judas Priest and AC/DC got big, hard rock and metal resurrected!
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
Sex Pistols were ridiculous. The Ramones and the NYC scene was incredible. I'm so glad to have been a part of that world, as well as the Led Zepp days. And The Cars! Versatile. I will agree that The Clash were boring and so were the Police. Rob Halford signed my brother's crotch (jeans) and asked him to go do coke in his hotel room. My brother declined. You can't limit the 70s as a time where crowds attended shows as an excuse to party! It's always been a blend of both.
julieswahn 2 years ago 2
dude! the clash were not boring! they were amazing!
rockmusicfansonly 2 years ago
Furthermore Jack, I wasn't impressed with Live Aid from Queen (in fact Queen, Zep and The Who were subpar at the show IMHO, Zep is excusable as they hadn't played for five yearsbut no excuse for The Who nor Queen IMHO, Judas Priest stole the show in my eyes). The best Who gig was Leeds in '70 then The Young Vic '71, then Boston '73 (a month after Moon's collapse and right after fleeing the Montreal police and stuck it to the cops with one of their best shows EVER), Chicago '79 and Toronto '82
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
Keith Moon's playing went to shit because of drugs and alcohol. By The Who by Numbers in 1975, his drumming was more subdued than on the albums from 1965-73 and he did a solo album where he thought he could sing and instead of doing a drummer's album (which would have rocked) he did a singing album which TANKED! By the time of 1978's Who Are You Moon's playing was ruined by the amount of weight he put on due to excessive drug and alcohol abuse and he was also out of time on his drumming.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
Bonzo's playing went to shit for exactly the same reason asshole. Let's look at how Bonham died: On September 25, 1980, Bonham was picked up by Led Zeppelin assistant Rex King (also The Who's tour manager, known as "Sexy Rexy") to attend rehearsals at Bray Studios for an upcoming tour of the U.S.; the band's first since 1977. On the way, Bonham asked to stop for breakfast, where he downed four quadruple vodkas (roughly sixteen shots, amounting to about 1/2 of an imperial quart).
jimdad5883 2 years ago
It was September 24, 1980 when John Bonham went to the rehearsal at Bray Studios stupid asshole (oh shit, I pissed off jimbob AGAIN) and drank alot. He died September 25, 1980 at Page's home which was previously owned by actor Michael Caine. A decade later, guitarist "Steaming" Steve Clark of Def Leppard died in January of 1991 from double of what Bonham and Moon drank. I don't drink nor do drugs because of what they did to my heroes and almost killed my father.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
He continued to drink heavily at rehearsals. A halt was called to rehearsals late in the evening and the band retired to Page's house in Clewer, Windsor. After midnight, Bonham had fallen asleep and was taken to bed and placed on his side. Benji LeFevre (who had replaced Richard Cole as Zeppelin's tour manager) and John Paul Jones found him dead the next afternoon. Bonham was 32 years old. Weeks later at the coroner's inquest, it emerged that in the 24 hours before he died,
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Bonham had consumed at least forty (40) shots of 100 proof vodka, which resulted in pulmonary edema: waterlogging of the lungs caused by inhalation of vomit. What an intelligent bloke. He was WORSE OFF than Moon. Moon had quit drinking and was trying to sober up. Bonham was just a fucking alcohol-addicted mess. At least Keith was making an attempt to get control of his life again. So don't moralize to me about Bonham and demonize Moon. At least Moonie was making an attempt to get his life back.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
The only reason Moonie was forced to sober up was that Roger and Pete threatened to FIRE HIS ASS after his subpar playing on the Who Are You album and Shepperton gig in 1978. The Ox was partying himself living the rock life himself. Moonie's mistake was waking up and disregarding the taken under a doctor's care note. The irony is the times Keith was at his worst NOTHING HAPPENED then when he was forced to get his shit together HE DIED like a fool.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
You know, call me back if you ever get any credibility. 1.) Roger and Pete HATED each other in those days and NEVER agreed on ANYTHING (Hell, they almost never even spoke to each other), and 2.) Pete loved Moonie so much he would sooner have cut his fingers off than ask Keith to leave the band. But I suppose you "read all about it" here, too, right? Keith "died like a fool"? He died BY ACCIDENT, you arse, under the care of a new doctor who never told him he had to absolutely quit ALL drinking.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Pete and the guys in The Who all had a love-hate relationship in the band. Most bands were that way sans U2, Rush and Genesis. Shut your stinking Richard Barnes dick sucking hole. Keith Moon was a tormented soul who had either BIPOLAR or Schizophrenia and had a drug and alcohol problem. Hell, Britney Spears (the daughter of Satan himself) is Moon's bubblegum counterpart (not fir for parenting, hard partier, abusive, loves attention and will die while getting her shit together).
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
Not sure why you are getting so many thumbs-down (not that it matters).. it seems like you have a lot of emotional opinions, yes, but you also seem to have some facts. So Keith died from pills, not alcohol? Not a mixture of the two? I'm curious.. it was so long ago.
LettingItAllHangOut 2 years ago
He had a pint of beer (which has alcohol in it, the non-alcoholic beer is all bullshit) the night he died (that was all he drank). I watched the Behind the Music on Keith that VH1 here in the US aired in 1998 (The Ox was lone Who member interviewed for it). Then Keith left the party Paul McCartney threw and went home and took pills prescribed by DR and went to sleep. He woke up, ate and took more. Forgotten how many he had taken, his g/f went to sleep on sofa. He died in his sleep.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
Fuck you asshole-perhaps you should not moralize history. How do you know Bonzo WASN'T trying to sober up when he died? Fact is, they were both drunks living the rock 'n roll lifestyle.
You're just a hypocritical Who fan with a hard on for Moon...Whatever, you can have him.
I'll take Bonzo on my team EVERY DAY.
NastyNole1 2 years ago 22
@NastyNole1 EVERYONE HAS A HARD ON FOR MOON!!!!!!
billheartyface 1 year ago
@NastyNole1 BOnzo, abso-fuckin-definitely.
LordInksworth 1 year ago
@NastyNole1 Bonzo drank because he had the blues and missed his family and his farm whereas alot of other rockstars who succumbed to substances or alcohol were just being selfish and recklessly self-indulgent pricks whose ego (as well as the people surrounding them ) made them believe they were invincible . And for the record , I will take Bonham over any other that I have heard personally .
Tecumseh1812 1 year ago
@NastyNole1 And I'll take Moonie on mine. No-one can surpass the insanity of Moon the Loon. That said, out of the two my favourite band is Led Zep.
DancinJim 1 year ago
I read Hammer of the Gods and know what did Bonzo in Sherlock. My point is DRINKING AND DRUGS took many talented and gifted musicians out of the ball game (be it Bon Scott, Moon, Bonzo, The Ox, Janis, Jimi Hendrix (who like an idiot shot up and popped pills like no tomorrow), John Belushi, John Panozzo (who alot of people in rock world called "the American Keith Moon" as he was known as a prankster/wild partier like his British counterpart), Tommy Bolin and I can go on).
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
Plants voice is blown here :( still rocking though. :)
Alexander87oclock 2 years ago
yup ,it was completely shot not too long after this,somewhere along the way Plant damaged his vocal chords,too much touring,and the songs were hard to sing in the first place
PAULOcbi 2 years ago
Who gives a shit what some washed up roadie thinks? Anyone who thinks Zep had no stage presence has no head and is a total ASS. Period...end of story.
tommars69 2 years ago
Zeppelin had a certain degree of stage presence, especially when Robert Plant could still sing (pre-1973) just because of their great production effects and the immortal quality of their music, but they just weren't in the same league as The Who as a live stage band. Not even close. Period. End of story. Oh, and FYI: I'm not, to quote you, "some washed up roadie". I traveled with The Who strictly as an FOB for 30 years except for the '89 tour, when I WAS hired to do a specific project for them.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
The Who added a horn section in 1979 (which featured a certain Dick Parry who is known for work with Pink Floyd (and The Wall shows didn't need horns so Dick sat out that tour as he would the Momentary Lapse tour)) and then The Who On Ice Tour and Quad Tours of 1996/97 had female backing singers, horn sections and so on in later years. Zeppelin didn't need horn players nor female singers. When their drummer died, they broke up and didn't record again.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
Zeppelin pussied out, let it beat them, and just quit, like little girls, and for many more reasons than Bonzo's death. Jimmy and Robert came to hate each other and still can hardly stand to be in the same room to this day. The Who always overcame their internal squabbles (and there were many), evolved as all great bands do and kept making great music. Who cares about backing singers and horn sections? It's an artistic choice made by the band. I didn't hear any fans complaining.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Some bands become self parodies as they get older. Pink Floyd broke up to interband squabbles in 1983. They had none once Roger Waters left. David Gilmour in fact rehired Rick Wright when Waters quit (Waters fired Wright) and got Nick Mason playing drums well again. Pink Floyd quit at the top of the mountain (like Zeppelin) whilst The Who is now mainly a nostalgia act like The Rolling Stones pretty much. I've seen The Who four times and each time it was WORSE!
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
The Who On Ice (as Pete called the 25th anniversary tour) I saw in 1989 when I was 13 (first concert I went to) and enjoyed it. However, when I saw the 1982 Toronto gig on TV later in 1989 I was like The Who were better without all the backing singers, Maraiachi horn players and Steve Bolton. In fact Pete stated on Rockline that David Gilmour was his first choice to play guitar on 1989 tour but DG politely declined because PF embarked on a second European tour in '89 after the 87/88 tour ended.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
I'm sure David Gilmour WAS Pete's first choice to play lead on the '89 tour. He was Alan Rogan's (best guitar tech in the biz who's worked for every great guitarist on the planet), too, and I'm sure ONLY a PF conflict kept him away. He and Pete were and are great friends. As far as all the extra musicians, that was a creative decision made mostly by Pete. I wasn't wild about it, either, but he wanted to try it, and he did include Rabbit (Bundrick) on keyboards and Simon Phillips on drums.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Look, Floyd old man, without all the name calling, I agree with you. I don't think Pete and Roger should be touring as "The Who", and I've voiced that strenuously to Pete. Problem is, he disagrees, for whatever reason, and it's his sandbox. I've seen the band,God, I don't even know how many times, and I'm personally of the opinion that The Who died when Keith did, and surely when John did. BTW: I suppose you're now going to tell me John Paul Jones was a better bass player than Entwistle. Please!
jimdad5883 2 years ago
John Entwistle is my favorite deceased bass player (with Cliff Burton in a close second) and he was the first bass player to play bass guitar as if it were a regular guitar. Favorite living bass players who are still alive and active are Mike Rutherford, John Deacon (though retired from music after Freddie died and The Ox and Chris Squire were his favorite bass players). My favorite guitarists are David Gilmour then Brian May then Steve Hackett as far as living. Hendrix was a joke by 1969.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
Hey jimbob (whatever you call youself hick), Led Zeppelin broke up because they knew John Bonham was irreplaceable. Pink Floyd officially ended with the death of Rick Wright last year. Genesis had their perfect swan song at The Hollywood Bowl in 2007 as Phil Collins officially retired in 2008. Some people didn't accept The Who without Keith and/or John. Can't change them. I'm 33 years old jackoff but I've done homework and you prove you are one whiny, sniffly, piece of trailer park trash!
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
You, poor boy, are a 33 year old uneducated moron who believes everything he reads (it's amazing you CAN read) with a tenuous grasp of the facts, not to mention reality, and some serious psychiatric issues you need to work on. I on the other hand, am 52 y/o, had unlimited access not only to The Who, but to most every major rock act from 1975 to 2006, and spent most of my life as an FOB of The Who or a guest of any other major act. I've spent time with Robert (Plant) so often I can't even count.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
even when plant is sick he rocks his heart out and neil peart couldnt even do wat bonham did
thelegend123able 2 years ago
Queen was an excellent live band, but not nearly as good as The Who, despite Freddy Mercury. I've worked in the rock business for over 35 years, and seen everybody, trust me, and there's just no band on earth that was as dynamic on stage as The Who when Keith Moon was still alive, mate. It's just not even close. Zeppelin wasn't even in the top 5. Their music was great, but they had no stage presence at all.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Jimdad, Nick Mason was better than Moonie (watch Pink Floyd at Pompeii on A Saucerful of Secrets and One of These Days (where Nick loses his stick and plays on flawlessly whilst retrieving another). Even Phil Collins was better than Keith Moon who killed himself because he did too many drugs and drank too much. The Who were jealous of Zeppelin in the 1970s as Zeppelin had all but two albums hit #1 in the US (The Who did not ever hit #1 with an album) and played bigger venues than The Who.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
floydgenesisnut, not only are you clearly wrong about Mason (who wasn't even close to as good as Keith, who lost or broke sticks during shows every night and not only never missed a beat but incorporated it into the show) and Collins (who was definitely very good but not the pure maniacal talent Moon was), but you're ignorant of rock history. Not only were The Who not jealous of Zeppelin, they were actually very friendly, and they each sold out stadiums, the largest venues available at the time.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
A bit of rock history for you, mate: the original planned lineup for Led Zeppelin was Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, John Entwistle and Keith Moon, and it almost happened. Jimmy called John and Keith at a time (and there were many) when Pete and Roger were fighting and Pete had "broken up" The Who. John and Keith, being tired of that shit, went to the meeting, and Keith actually named the band, telling Jimmy that they'd probably "sink like a lead zeppelin". Jimmy took out the "a' and Zep was named.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Pete Townshend on The History of Rock and Roll 1970s Have a Nice Decade episode stated he hated Zeppelin and resented them for their success. Zeppelin were bigger than The Rolling Stones and The Who in the 1970s. Even Pink Floyd got bigger than The Rolling Stones and The Who (The Rolling Stones hated PF (Keith and Mick openly bashed them) and were jealous of PF whilst The Who and PF were always friends and admired each other. Pete and Roger had worked with David Gilmour on numerous occasions).
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
Friends and admirers of each other or not, on their best day Pink Floyd just didn't even come CLOSE to comparing favorably with The Who as a live stage act. They were a great studio band, but despite The Wall tour, never measured up on stage. It was so not even close that anyone who knew anything about 70s rock wouldn't even bother to try and make the argument. So you've betrayed yourself as a phony, a neophyte, and an idiot.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
You are an asskisser. You probably like Avril Lavigne and Britney Spears Jimbob, you sound like a redneck piece of trailer park trash. The Who was at its prime until 1973 then went to crap for two albums partially due to Moonie's drumming deterioration and also Pete's drinking got out of hand. Keep your mouth shut and you got owned by Zeppelin fans and A PINK FLOYD FAN you stupid SON OF A BITCH!
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
I have many Floyd shows on bootleg and so forth and they had many great shows. They may have had no stage presence but the visuals and props went well with the music. I almost forgot, Pink Floyd sold more tickets and albums than The Who as of 1973 with Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, the underrated Animals and the epic The Wall (you can add A Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell to the list). It's people, not critics nor magazines that like music.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
Pete and Roger got over their row a bit later, and The Who were put back together again. Jimmy and Robert then recruited John Paul Jones and Bonzo, and Zeppelin was born. And lad, you've no idea how Keith died. Obviously. He'd actually quit drugs and drinking, for real, and was under a doctor's care, who gave him a prescription called Heminevrin, a sedative to alleviate his alcohol withdrawal symptoms. Moon accidentally took too many, and was found by his girlfriend, Annette Walter-Lax in bed.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
I know that but the stupid son of a bitch had a 16 oz bottle of beer the night he went out on town before he died. Annette Walter Lax said he drank at the Paul and Linda McCartney party. Then the biographer of Keith's stated he and Annette went home and Keith took too much Hemineverin and his girlfriend went to sleep on the sofa because of his snoring. Once again Keith took too much pills he knew too little about. The feeling Moon got from pills was same he got from drinking brandy.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
I'm not ignorant of rock history. Keith was known for not only drumming but for his crazy man schtick who made other rockers look reserved. Did John Bonham collapse on stage during a gig, no! Did Moonie QUITE A FEW TIMES. The Who dropped Love Reign after the 1973 tour because Keith had difficulty playing 12/8, 6/4 and 3/4 on stage in later years due to excessive drug abuse and lifestyle. In fact, Roger Daltrey KO'd Moonie after Moonie whined about Roger flushing his cocaine down flush.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
You ARE ignorant of rock history, mate. I was on every Who tour from 1977 to 2006. Moon collapsed on stage ONCE, on the 1973 Quadrophenia tour, at the Cow Palace in San Francisco. Moon took a large number of tranquilizers and brandy (he said he was dosed and the band believed him). He passed out during "Won't Get Fooled Again" and again in "Magic Bus." Townshend asked the audience, "Can anyone play the drums? - I mean somebody good." A young fan, Scot Halpin, filled in for the rest of the show.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Furthermore, The Who did NOT "drop" Love Reign 'Oer Me from 1973 to 1978, when Keith died, and Moonie never had any trouble playing it, or anything else, whether a Who tune or not. Yes, he certainly had a rep as a hard-partying madman, but that was part of his legend. It NEVER affected his playing on stage (except for that one time in SF, and he maintained to his death that someone did it TO him). You think Bonzo never played drunk or wasted? I have news for you, mate. He did it ALL THE TIME!
jimdad5883 2 years ago
And yes, Roger dropped Moonie once during a row in the dressing room after a show after Keith accused him of flushing his blow down the loo and took a swing at him, but 1) Roger was and still is an antisocial, overly aggressive "tough guy" asshole, and is UNIVERSALLY disliked in the rock community (where Keith was absolutely beloved), and 2) it was AFTER the show, you loon, and EVERY band in those days partied backstage after a show. Even Zeppelin, and ESPECIALLY Bonzo, who was given to excess.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
The fact that Moonie's drumming and "crazy man schtick" made "other rockers look reserved" was what made him the greatest drummer in the history of rock, greater even than Bonham (which is saying a LOT). Even John (Bonham) said Keith was the best ever. Many times. I heard him say it. Keith's use of his floor toms was unequalled. I asked the Ox (Entwistle) how he possibly kept time with Keith, and he said he watched his feet. Entwistle said Keith's feet always kept absolutely perfect time.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Just to close things out with you, you nutter, Pete says lots of things in print he doesn't really mean. On purpose. He takes great delight in screwing with interviewers (except his best friend from art school and official Who biographer Richard Barnes. He never screwed with Barney). He was quoted once saying that Hendrix "sucked", when in reality, Pete worshipped his playing (who didn't?) and liked Jimi very much personally. When you really know what you're talking about, mate, post again, OK?
jimdad5883 2 years ago
The Who and Zeppelin had a great deal of mutual respect, and still do. In a quiet moment, Pete will tell you he thinks Zep songs are "masterpieces". Members of both bands used to hang out backstage at the other's gigs, EVEN IN THE '70S, all the time. I was there. Jimmy and Pete were especially close, and Pete used to muck around with Jimmy's double neck in the dressing room all the time. Jimmy used to laugh like hell at him, and beg him playfully not to smash it just because he couldn't play it!
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Hey jimbob, I heard many boots from 73/74 and Moonie's playing went to shit. Love Reign was dropped in 1974/75/76 partially Moon couldn't handle it. Again I own your ass. Moon's drug use ruined his drumming. John Bonham always delivered on stage regardless of how much alcohol and drug intake he had. Moonie collapsed in Boston at the Boston Garden after taking muscle relaxers like the idiot he became once he started abusing drugs like crazy after he accidentally killed his chauffer Neal Boland.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
Look, you wanker, you may have heard boots from those shows but I was there, and Keith's playing went anywhere but to shit. He was at the peak of his entire career during that period. So you don't own my bum, but you can certainly kiss it! Bonzo's drumming was as affected by being drunk and wasted on stage as anyone's was. You're some kind of loony wannabe but I know: I saw it. But Bonzo or Moonie drunk was still better than 99% of rock drummers sober, which was how they both got away with it.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
You're right about one thing: the Neal Boland incident haunted Keith until the day he died. He loved that guy, and he never forgave himself for what happened. As far as I remember, Keith collapsed ONCE, and that was the famous Cow Palace show in SF. If you can show me reviews or newspaper articles about this supposed Boston Garden collapse, I'll chalk it up to the drugs I was taking in those days. I think you're all talk, and won't be able to come up with a single written account of it. WANKER!
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Here's proof of Moon's Boston collapse in '76 and paste v=KMrHaxFHH8k. Read it and WEEP! John Entwistle even talked about the incident on the In The Studio episode of Thirty Years of Maximum R&B aired in '94 and on the Keith Moon Behind the Music where there was proof of the article published in The Boston Globe. Papers cited the flu for his collapse but the band knew otherwise. They rescheduled the show on April 1 and delivered one of their greatest performances.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
The Who didn't tour in '77 jackass nor 1978 (apart from shows filmed for The Kids Are Alright which were marred with Keith Moon's subpar drumming (which was overdubbed for the soundtrack album)). In fact, Kenney Jones' replacing Moon saved The Who and gave them their two best albums since Quadrophenia out of Face Dances and It's Hard. You say you worked for The Who, then I worked for Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
Once again you betray your ignorance, jackass. The Who toured the Eastern half of the US in late '76, finishing up with the Spectrum in Philly and MSG in New York, then took the rest of December and most of January off, then came back and did the entire Western US in early to mid '77. If you think otherwise, you've got your head even farther up your bum than I thought. Ask Peter Rudge or Bill Curbishley, their co-managers at the time. Man, you just don't know what the hell you're talking about.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Regarding Kenney Jones, he was Roger's choice. Pete never wanted him but Curbishley did, so Pete gave in. Pete wanted Simon Phillips, who was "his" drummer and drummed on his solo albums, and eventually he got him. Face Dances and It's Hard were The Who's "best" LPs since Quad, you're just an arse. They were the most commercially successful since Who's Next, actually, genius, but the most hated by the record critics and by Who fans. And as far as my being on the tours, want to see the laminates?
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Hey, my kids are curious: since you worked for the Easter Bunny and Kris Kringle, will you come by the house in your bunny ears and your white beard and red suit? They're all geared up for it!
You see, I only "worked" for the band once, on the '89 25th Anniversary Tour. I was doing a university research project on the '76-77 tour (you remember - the one that never happened, right?), so I was working that tour, but not for the band. Other than that, I was strictly an FOB. With an All Access Pass.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
The Who toured in 75/76. 1977 Pete did his Rough Mix album with Ronnie Lane and Roger made his third solo effort. You also claim Pink Floyd were boring on stage but they helped with The Who in pioneering rock theatrics. The Who had no light show, PF did. Film projections, pyro (exploding/burning gong (Zep did it also), crashing/exploding planes and beds, fireworks and flashpots), inflatables (like the pigs, people, The Wall characters and inflatable Cadillac) and of course erected a wall!
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
After looking at my laminate, you're right. It WAS '75-'76. Sometimes the years got all blended up back then. I'm big enough to admit when I'm wrong. Are you? And rock theatrics and rock lighting effects are two COMPLETELY different things, nobby. Every band had a light show back then, just not an advanced laser light show. If you think lasers are what makes a great rock show, you really ARE clueless. PF WAS ultra-boring on stage. The Who were the most dynamic stage band in rock history. Period.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Roger on In The Studio with Redbeard said he was dead set against replacing Moon with Jones and likened him to a wheel of a Cadillac on a Rolls Royce. Face Dances was critically praised by some as the best record since Quadrophenia (I read a Boston Globe article and it said so from April of 1981). I personally loved Face Dances (was fourth Who album I ever had, first was The Kids Are Alright Soundtrack then was It's Hard followed by Greatest Hits then FD then WN and so forth).
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
#1, what Roger says now and what he said then are often two very different things, so I don't care what he said later or says now. I HEARD what he said then. And well, bollix, if a rock authority like the Boston Globe liked Face Dances, that must be it. It's ONE second tier newspaper. Try rock-specific pubs and writers like Rolling Stone, Creem, Crawdaddy, Bomp, Robert Hilburn, Lester Bangs, Mark Shipper, Tom Nolan, etc. They UNIVERSALLY panned Face Dances and It's Hard, and HATED Kenney Jones.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Anyone who puts any stock in anything Roger said or says, now or then, clearly doesn't know Roger very well. Tommy is deemed The Who's best double album (first "rock opera" and such, a term Pete always hated), although I think Quadrophenia's a MUCH better & more mature work, and Who's Next is almost universally considered the best LP they ever made and by many as the greatest rock single album ever, bar none. Face Dances and Its Hard, critically speaking, are so far down the list it's laughable.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Tommy, Who's Next and Quad no mistake are classics BUT NONE reached #1 in the US. In fact The Who did not ever have a #1 album here in America in their own right. Carole King's Tapestry and The Stones' Sticky Fingers kept Who's Next from #1. Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road kept Quad out of #1, the soundtrack to Grease kept Who Are You from #1. Face Dances was held back by Dirty Deeds by AC/DC at #3, Hi Infidelity by REO Speedwagon which was #2 and Paradise Theatre by Styx which was #1.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I have but one response that The Who never had a #1 LP in the States: WHO CARES? Sales figures were all bullshit in those days anyway, 100% controlled by the flow of money and blow from the record companies to radio music and program directors and particularly to retailers, who just reported (more like invented) their own sales figures and Billboard took them at face value! What a crock of shit, and anyone in the biz knew it. You were still sucking Mommy's tit in those days and so know NOTHING!
jimdad5883 2 years ago
Hey asswipe, my mother is dead. You disrespecting my dead mother shows you are a sorry excuse of a human being! Disrespecting dead people shows me you're despicable. Album sales were different in the 1970s as they are to today. The Who were successful and great (don't get me wrong) BUT The Stones, The Eagles, Zeppelin, Jethro Tull, Grand Funk Railroad and Pink Floyd were bigger. The Who didn't play stadiums in the US until later in around '76 (Zep, Grand Funk, PF and Tull beat The Who to it).
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago
@floydgenesisnut: The first time The Who headlined an American stadium was 1970. Tommy certified them worthy of stadiums but they hated them. It wasn't like they couldn't sell them out. The Who's Next tour in 1971 could have been a stadium tour. It just wasn't, simple as that. Quadrophenia proved unworkable in stadiums. It was unworkable in British cinemas for that matter. Too ambitious. Not to mention they toured Quadrophenia in the dead of winter in 1973 making stadiums impossible.
tomthefunky 1 year ago
Not to mention others who panned Face Dances and It's Hard: SPIN, Vibe, The Village Voice (Robert Christgau), the legendary UK critic Alan Light, Nigel Sinclair, Glyn Johns, Shel Talmy, Dave Marsh and the most widely recognized Who writer and historian of all time (and Pete's lifelong best friend) Richard (Barney) Barnes, ALL of whom considered, to be generous, Face Dances and It's Hard to be FAR down on the list of the greatest Who records. Maybe you should consider doing some fact checking.
jimdad5883 2 years ago
The Who toured the US in 1975 and 1976 jackass. There were NO SHOWS in 1977 as Pete Townshend recorded his solo record with Ronnie Lane called Rough Mix and Roger Daltrey recorded his One of the Boys album. John Entwistle was demoing tracks for Who Are You and Keith Moon was partying like a crazed dog. Then they recorded Who Are You late that year and did the Kilburn show for TKAA that December imbecile.
floydgenesisnut 2 years ago