Why do you hate on Karl Marx? The idea that everything should be shared by everyone is a good idea. It's the greed and hatred of people like Stalin and Kim Jong-il
that give Communism a bad name. I know it'll never work, but that's because people are greedy and selfish. No matter what your religion, or lack of.
1) Then theism have any responsibility for the killings of every theistic religion; 2) There are atheistic and non-theistic religions (raelism, buddhism, unitarian universalism, ...); 3) Theists and deists can be anti-religious (Voltaire,Thomas Paine,Hattrack); 4) Pinochet, for instance, was a catholic communist; 5) There's a Muslim Communist Party and there was a Muslim Socialist Committee of Kazan; 6) I can't confirm most of those quotes you gave (what are the sources?).
I love how atheists love to compare religion to the killings of people. Although I believe that to be true, when it comes to communists killing people they always are like atheists have nothing to do with it. Although they were more political in nature, the atheists still have some sort of responsibility in a way. Also Hitler didn't kill in the name of God, but Fascism.
LOL at the vid. Stalin persecuted religious people because for him, they didn't share the same vision as the state. These two ideologies can't coexist (Marxism and religion). Atheism (the mere lack of belief in a god) can be blamed just as much as Stalin having a moustache can be blamed. Anti-theism has nothing to do with atheism. Me not believing in a god doesn't necessarily make me a murderer of believers. It simply means I'm not as brainwashed or as gullible as you. =)
Marxism is an anti-theist ideology, and atheism is "God does not exist", not "me not believing in God" as you wrongly say it. Militant atheists like Stalin not only deny the existence of God BUT want to use the State to IMPOSE anti-theism (specifically, anti-Christianity) on the people. Kinda like ACLU and other liberal organizations. So get your facts right: marxism has everything to do with atheism.
@MatsPT First of all. Atheism can both mean lack of belief in god or the stance that "God does not exist". No one's denying the fact that marxists are atheists. But that is completely irrelevant. The question is, did they kill BECAUSE of their atheism? The answer is no. They did it because of their quasi-religion called Marxism. They persecuted theists to preserve their ideology because the two doctrines are incompatible. Being an atheist doesn't mean you're necessarily an anti-theist.
religion has killed far more people - and stalin killed people not because he was an atheist but because he was a communist leader and a power monger. Stupid ignorant religious zealot
Communists killed over 20 million people in little less than 100 years. By comparison that is far more than any religious conflicts in a 1000 year time span.
Great video! I don't know how atheists can deny that the atrocities committed by communism were based on the ideals of atheism. They merely attempt to deny this fact by stating "but they didn't do it under the banner of atheism". These quotes clearly point out the position taken by these leaders in respect to religion.
@atheistkyo 1. How is the contenct ""cr-p"? 2. How is the video resorting to "fear"? Is showing the natural consequences of militant atheism resorting to "fear"? 3. What militant atheists did within communism has to do with their hatred of God and religion.
Making same movie to parallel case for Christianity and Nazis/European Fascism? But I suspect the point is to fear-monger against atheism, not historical honesty. Because just as much as all of christianity is not responsible for the Nazi's deranged version of christianity, nor are all atheists responsible for communism and it's deformed consequences.
Most importantly the mandates to the use of force in the communist manifesto were not justified from atheism but from class struggle.
The goal of communism in some of the countries was indeed the removal of religion to replace it with the sole influence of the state. Not only as an organized instution but as a way of thinking. In most cases, this was to remove the old regime entirely and make sure it was stamped out. In the case of the Soviet Union, for example, Tsarism was deeply intertwined with the orthodox church, and so to remove one was to remove the other.
i still don't understand how atheism and communism must go hand in hand. one is an economic model, the other is a response to a claim. neither have any relationship to the other except through history.
@MatsPT so? i could say there is a deep connection between "spurginism" and green rabbits, but that doesn't make it so. what is the connection except by history?
@thespurginator dId you see the video and the words of the atheists in there? What was the conection they made? what's the point in people making a video with the ciations if others won't read them?
@MatsPT yes, i did. but saying that a few communists were atheists does not mean all communists were atheists. many communes(a communist structure) are often religious in nature, so why are communism and atheism connected if the have nothing to do with eachother?
@MatsPT It wasn't "a few communists" who were atheists, but the founders of the ideology, who said that their political enterprise dependet on the propagation of atheism. Were they wrong regarding the political system they themselves created?
Also, even if not believing in invisible sky daddy IS the soul reason why those countries had a lot of death and suffering, it doesn't prove god is real.
But that's the type of logic you christians never understand, so let me ask you this question, why is Sweden, the population with the greatest economic prosperity in the world is also the country with the highest percentage of atheists (who are atheists of their own volition)?
@DeimosSaturn Atheism has nothing to do with Sweden's economic sucess. Atheism has been the dominant force in there for the last 20/30 years, and you think that it's only bkz of those years that they are economically properous
Why is the USA, the most religious nation among the rich ones, the most scientifically advanced nation in the world? Anyone can use this "logic".
@MatsPT "Atheism has nothing to do with Sweden's economic sucess" Yes, just like how atheism has nothing to do with Soviet Russia's or Soviet China's crimes against humanity. And it's funny you attribute the scientifically advance state of the USA to it being the most religious because of the fact that most scientists are actually atheists. Derp!
One more video where some idiot conflates not believing in invisible sky daddies with the Leninist and Maoist personality CULT (note the emphasis on the word "cult") atrocities. I don't worship anyone, don't tell me I worship Lenin.
@MatsPT What you're saying, although correct, has no relevance to anything to the argument and doesn't advance any point you're making about atheism. Atheism is purely the lack of belief in a god.Certain buddhists are atheists. Raelianists are atheists. Certain Scientologists are atheists. There are anarchists, republicans, liberals, democrats, billionaires and homeless people that are atheists. So you see, (cont.)
although the marxists have tried to model a political theory on the strict pragmatism of Naturalistic Atheism, you cannot infer ANYTHING from atheism any more than you can infer anything from not believing in bigfoot. And of course, you neglected me entire point about the nature of personality cults as being the culprit behind the mass killings rather than the mere lack of belief in deities, but you're a christian apologist thus unconcerned with facts.
You aren't seriously going to tell me that christian nations wouldn't commit genocide. Because you would be wrong. Germany killed many people in German South-West Africa, Britain killed aborigines in Australia, and let's not forget America which killed over 15,000 natives with the trail of tears and the Indian removal act. If atheism was the motivation behind the killings in communist countries then surely Christianity was the motivation for the killings in christian nations.
People like Stalin were not motivated to do the things that they did because of atheism. Atheism does not contain any instructions, laws, doctrine or dogma therefore it cannot be responsible for anything. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in god.
@sergiomats AGAIN... ATHEISM DOES NOT EQUAL ANTI-THEISM!
Anti-theism: Opposed to religion/religious people.
Atheist: One who does not believe in a god(s).
The fact that these communist tyrants were also atheists is completely coincidental... Just like the fact that Hitler was a Christian and killed Jews was completely coincidental. The real problem is that people can do terrible things WITHOUT an underlying constant, like religion or lack thereof.
@theirishfrog Being anti-religious is part of being a communist, just like being atheist makes you anti-religious. The diference is only in the method of dealing with such anti-religiousity. Commies of the past liked to kill, Modern day atheists don't do that (yet).
@sergiomats no, religious people like to kill, AHHHH found the connection to religion and communism. Prolly put as much thought about it as you did your video!
@theirishfrog Semantic games. Just look at the record of atheism (or anti-theism as you absurdly put it). Millions of people murdered by atheists. Or am I forgetting all the hospitals, schools, community shelters and humanitarian efforts that atheists have made through history? (crickets) Yep. No wonder atheists are the least trusted group.
All the new atheists or atheist criticising the video didn't catch up the idea. All the communist leaders mention the RELEVANCE of atheism for communism's development. Without atheist, communism would fail in the first attempt. Doctrines such communism are consequences of atheism. I´m not mentioning that all atheists will be communists. But for communist to occur, atheism was necessary.
Yes we know that all them were atheist. But you fail to show how their atheism led them to commit all those atrocites. I think you miss the point completely. Disbelief did not drive their actions it was their beliefs.
@UDamDirtyApes Their hatred of belief drove them to fight and torture theists, christians in particular. Their "desbelief" was not something that made them "neutral", but something that made them AGAINST religion.
@sajfen I see how it works for you, yes. The question is not what works for you but what did the founding fathers of communism said. They had no shame in pointing out that their philosophy relied on being offensive (many times, physically) against theism. That's the only point of the video.
@sajfen The mentality of the people who killed millions of theists is still alive today. There are countless atheist leaders who qualify christianity as a virus. What do we do with viruses? We *fight against it*. We eliminate it. We surpress it. Anyway, the video was aimed at showing how atheism is not free of sins, contrary to popular social mithology.
@sergiomats Atheism has no dogmas, no leaders, no doctrines. It's just a lack of belief in god or gods. I have no clue what you think it is, but you're dead wrong.
@sajfen Atheism has one dogma: "There is no God". Secondly, atheism is not mearly the suspension of belief, but the positive affirmation of the non-existence of God. The thing is, modern atheists have tried to change the definition of the word as means to avoid the burden of proof.
@UDamDirtyApes No, I don't fail to show that. THeir atheism fuled their hatred of religion, and thus the persecuton of religious people. HATRED OF RELIGION is the cause for their persecution of christians, and that hatred was suported by their atheism.
The atrocities committed in the name of Marxism were fueled by a philosophy that incorporated atheism, but were not caused by atheism itself. This argument is akin to pinning acts of Islamic extremism on theists as a whole.
Though there is a small difference. Disbelief alone will not motivate anyone to do anything. The day a genocide happens because of a disbelief in god without any beliefs motivating it, I will concede the point you to make in this video.
@sergiomats And how does that matter today? Yes, Marxism had to discredit religion. Unless you belong to a white supremacist group however, I doubt you know anyone who subscribes to Marxism. Despite your quote, they did not fight religion because they were atheists. They fought it because it stood in the way of their political goals. Their brand of atheism was not based on skepticism as atheism today is. It was based on wanting absolute authority.
@ElNerdoLoco It matters today bkz the hatred commies had for christianity is still around. There are plenty of people who subscribe to variations of Marxism (Obama, etc). Their brand of atheism was bsed on the same shaky foundation as today's atheism, and they, like modern atheists, want total social authority to dictate how others should live their lives. Atheism lives on and we have to know what it is all about.
@sergiomats I get the impression i am talking to someone who received a whole lot of information about atheists from theists. The only thing atheism is, "based on" is the inability for anyone to provide empirical proof that a god exists. Claims that atheism has its roots in philosophies it predated or that it has a social agenda beyond wanting to remove religion from legal or political decisions seem like rhetoric created specifically to vilify the position.
@ElNerdoLoco The point of the video is to show how close atheism and communism are, and how the persecution of religion done by communists can be explained by the atheistic nature of communism.
@sergiomats The persecution of religious individuals can be explained by the fact their philosophy got in the way of the absolute reverence those dictators wanted. They wanted to be the only authority is the lives of their populace. Atheism was a consequence rather than a cause of this desire. The only thing linking atheism and communism is that Marxism incorporated both. They otherwise have nothing in common. They do not even deal with the same issues.
People accuse me of being Communist because i'm atheist. Haha jokes on them because I am Communist.
tracefleeman 2 months ago
Why do you hate on Karl Marx? The idea that everything should be shared by everyone is a good idea. It's the greed and hatred of people like Stalin and Kim Jong-il
that give Communism a bad name. I know it'll never work, but that's because people are greedy and selfish. No matter what your religion, or lack of.
TerryT420 4 months ago
Amazing video! Good job! I shared it.
Juggelo2002 6 months ago
1) Then theism have any responsibility for the killings of every theistic religion; 2) There are atheistic and non-theistic religions (raelism, buddhism, unitarian universalism, ...); 3) Theists and deists can be anti-religious (Voltaire,Thomas Paine,Hattrack); 4) Pinochet, for instance, was a catholic communist; 5) There's a Muslim Communist Party and there was a Muslim Socialist Committee of Kazan; 6) I can't confirm most of those quotes you gave (what are the sources?).
pedroamaralcouto 9 months ago
Actually more like 50 million. By the way whats the song name?
wowpapa 10 months ago
I love how atheists love to compare religion to the killings of people. Although I believe that to be true, when it comes to communists killing people they always are like atheists have nothing to do with it. Although they were more political in nature, the atheists still have some sort of responsibility in a way. Also Hitler didn't kill in the name of God, but Fascism.
wowpapa 10 months ago
LOL at the vid. Stalin persecuted religious people because for him, they didn't share the same vision as the state. These two ideologies can't coexist (Marxism and religion). Atheism (the mere lack of belief in a god) can be blamed just as much as Stalin having a moustache can be blamed. Anti-theism has nothing to do with atheism. Me not believing in a god doesn't necessarily make me a murderer of believers. It simply means I'm not as brainwashed or as gullible as you. =)
TheYipedo 10 months ago
Marxism is an anti-theist ideology, and atheism is "God does not exist", not "me not believing in God" as you wrongly say it. Militant atheists like Stalin not only deny the existence of God BUT want to use the State to IMPOSE anti-theism (specifically, anti-Christianity) on the people. Kinda like ACLU and other liberal organizations. So get your facts right: marxism has everything to do with atheism.
MatsPT 10 months ago
@MatsPT First of all. Atheism can both mean lack of belief in god or the stance that "God does not exist". No one's denying the fact that marxists are atheists. But that is completely irrelevant. The question is, did they kill BECAUSE of their atheism? The answer is no. They did it because of their quasi-religion called Marxism. They persecuted theists to preserve their ideology because the two doctrines are incompatible. Being an atheist doesn't mean you're necessarily an anti-theist.
TheYipedo 10 months ago
Truly Video.
Just1c320 1 year ago
15 atheists are communists! :-D
adalbertofelipe 1 year ago
I wish to point out the obvious point that the cited mass murd cited in this production were completelyvdisjoint from the people quoted.
psistarpsi80 1 year ago
All Christians are child abusers.
IamLiterallyRetarded 1 year ago
religion has killed far more people - and stalin killed people not because he was an atheist but because he was a communist leader and a power monger. Stupid ignorant religious zealot
xn117 1 year ago
@xn117
Communists killed over 20 million people in little less than 100 years. By comparison that is far more than any religious conflicts in a 1000 year time span.
wowpapa 10 months ago
Great video! I don't know how atheists can deny that the atrocities committed by communism were based on the ideals of atheism. They merely attempt to deny this fact by stating "but they didn't do it under the banner of atheism". These quotes clearly point out the position taken by these leaders in respect to religion.
hdregmore 1 year ago
hahaah nice music but the content of the video is complete crap
it's sad how you have to resort to fear to get people agree with you.
Get a life asshole. And a history lesson too. Most of those quotes are crap.
And if they weren't so what communism has nothing to do with god.
atheistkyo 1 year ago
@atheistkyo 1. How is the contenct ""cr-p"? 2. How is the video resorting to "fear"? Is showing the natural consequences of militant atheism resorting to "fear"? 3. What militant atheists did within communism has to do with their hatred of God and religion.
MatsPT 1 year ago
Making same movie to parallel case for Christianity and Nazis/European Fascism? But I suspect the point is to fear-monger against atheism, not historical honesty. Because just as much as all of christianity is not responsible for the Nazi's deranged version of christianity, nor are all atheists responsible for communism and it's deformed consequences.
Most importantly the mandates to the use of force in the communist manifesto were not justified from atheism but from class struggle.
socrates856 1 year ago
The goal of communism in some of the countries was indeed the removal of religion to replace it with the sole influence of the state. Not only as an organized instution but as a way of thinking. In most cases, this was to remove the old regime entirely and make sure it was stamped out. In the case of the Soviet Union, for example, Tsarism was deeply intertwined with the orthodox church, and so to remove one was to remove the other.
Maloc234 1 year ago
i still don't understand how atheism and communism must go hand in hand. one is an economic model, the other is a response to a claim. neither have any relationship to the other except through history.
thespurginator 1 year ago
@thespurginator The founders of communism said that there is a deep conection between the two.
MatsPT 1 year ago
@MatsPT so? i could say there is a deep connection between "spurginism" and green rabbits, but that doesn't make it so. what is the connection except by history?
thespurginator 1 year ago
@thespurginator The atheism in the communism is one of the reasons they were so ferocious in persecuting christians. They said it, not me.
MatsPT 1 year ago
@MatsPT but what is the connection?
thespurginator 1 year ago
@thespurginator dId you see the video and the words of the atheists in there? What was the conection they made? what's the point in people making a video with the ciations if others won't read them?
MatsPT 1 year ago
@MatsPT yes, i did. but saying that a few communists were atheists does not mean all communists were atheists. many communes(a communist structure) are often religious in nature, so why are communism and atheism connected if the have nothing to do with eachother?
thespurginator 1 year ago
@MatsPT It wasn't "a few communists" who were atheists, but the founders of the ideology, who said that their political enterprise dependet on the propagation of atheism. Were they wrong regarding the political system they themselves created?
MatsPT 1 year ago
Also, even if not believing in invisible sky daddy IS the soul reason why those countries had a lot of death and suffering, it doesn't prove god is real.
But that's the type of logic you christians never understand, so let me ask you this question, why is Sweden, the population with the greatest economic prosperity in the world is also the country with the highest percentage of atheists (who are atheists of their own volition)?
DeimosSaturn 1 year ago
@DeimosSaturn Atheism has nothing to do with Sweden's economic sucess. Atheism has been the dominant force in there for the last 20/30 years, and you think that it's only bkz of those years that they are economically properous
Why is the USA, the most religious nation among the rich ones, the most scientifically advanced nation in the world? Anyone can use this "logic".
MatsPT 1 year ago
@MatsPT "Atheism has nothing to do with Sweden's economic sucess" Yes, just like how atheism has nothing to do with Soviet Russia's or Soviet China's crimes against humanity. And it's funny you attribute the scientifically advance state of the USA to it being the most religious because of the fact that most scientists are actually atheists. Derp!
DeimosSaturn 1 year ago
One more video where some idiot conflates not believing in invisible sky daddies with the Leninist and Maoist personality CULT (note the emphasis on the word "cult") atrocities. I don't worship anyone, don't tell me I worship Lenin.
DeimosSaturn 1 year ago
@DeimosSaturn The founders of communism said that their philosophy was closely related with atheism. Where they wrong? No.
MatsPT 1 year ago
@MatsPT What you're saying, although correct, has no relevance to anything to the argument and doesn't advance any point you're making about atheism. Atheism is purely the lack of belief in a god.Certain buddhists are atheists. Raelianists are atheists. Certain Scientologists are atheists. There are anarchists, republicans, liberals, democrats, billionaires and homeless people that are atheists. So you see, (cont.)
DeimosSaturn 1 year ago
although the marxists have tried to model a political theory on the strict pragmatism of Naturalistic Atheism, you cannot infer ANYTHING from atheism any more than you can infer anything from not believing in bigfoot. And of course, you neglected me entire point about the nature of personality cults as being the culprit behind the mass killings rather than the mere lack of belief in deities, but you're a christian apologist thus unconcerned with facts.
DeimosSaturn 1 year ago
You aren't seriously going to tell me that christian nations wouldn't commit genocide. Because you would be wrong. Germany killed many people in German South-West Africa, Britain killed aborigines in Australia, and let's not forget America which killed over 15,000 natives with the trail of tears and the Indian removal act. If atheism was the motivation behind the killings in communist countries then surely Christianity was the motivation for the killings in christian nations.
Nihilist127 1 year ago
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Nihilist127 1 year ago
A non-belief never motivated anyone to do anything let alone kill millions of people.
This is what happens,
1.People from Group A gains power
2.They blame their problems on people in Group B.
3. People from Group A try to solve this problem by killing people in Group B.
Group A could be any religious group or they could be atheists, they could also be any race or political group.
Group B could be any religious group or they could be atheists, they could also be any race or political group.
orygun78 1 year ago
People like Stalin were not motivated to do the things that they did because of atheism. Atheism does not contain any instructions, laws, doctrine or dogma therefore it cannot be responsible for anything. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in god.
RationalConclusion 1 year ago
@sergiomats AGAIN... ATHEISM DOES NOT EQUAL ANTI-THEISM!
Anti-theism: Opposed to religion/religious people.
Atheist: One who does not believe in a god(s).
The fact that these communist tyrants were also atheists is completely coincidental... Just like the fact that Hitler was a Christian and killed Jews was completely coincidental. The real problem is that people can do terrible things WITHOUT an underlying constant, like religion or lack thereof.
Good day to you sir... ^_^
theirishfrog 1 year ago
@sergiomats Glad to hear your own flawed logic is apparent, now. Have a great day! ^_^
theirishfrog 1 year ago
You're an idiot. Being anti-religious has NOTHING to do with Atheism. That's ANTI-THEISM. But I can see how a simple mind can confuse the two.
theirishfrog 1 year ago
@theirishfrog Being anti-religious is part of being a communist, just like being atheist makes you anti-religious. The diference is only in the method of dealing with such anti-religiousity. Commies of the past liked to kill, Modern day atheists don't do that (yet).
sergiomats 1 year ago 5
@sergiomats no, religious people like to kill, AHHHH found the connection to religion and communism. Prolly put as much thought about it as you did your video!
Kanderesraide 1 year ago
@sergiomats
Oh yes they do..North Korea is still an active atheistic communist state. Religion has a hard time there.
THEJJR85 4 months ago
@theirishfrog Semantic games. Just look at the record of atheism (or anti-theism as you absurdly put it). Millions of people murdered by atheists. Or am I forgetting all the hospitals, schools, community shelters and humanitarian efforts that atheists have made through history? (crickets) Yep. No wonder atheists are the least trusted group.
PiltdownSuperman 6 months ago
All the new atheists or atheist criticising the video didn't catch up the idea. All the communist leaders mention the RELEVANCE of atheism for communism's development. Without atheist, communism would fail in the first attempt. Doctrines such communism are consequences of atheism. I´m not mentioning that all atheists will be communists. But for communist to occur, atheism was necessary.
LucianoHenriqueAyan 1 year ago
Yes we know that all them were atheist. But you fail to show how their atheism led them to commit all those atrocites. I think you miss the point completely. Disbelief did not drive their actions it was their beliefs.
UDamDirtyApes 1 year ago
@UDamDirtyApes Their hatred of belief drove them to fight and torture theists, christians in particular. Their "desbelief" was not something that made them "neutral", but something that made them AGAINST religion.
sergiomats 1 year ago
@sergiomats I don't collect stamps, yet I do not hate those who do. See how that works?
sajfen 1 year ago
@sajfen I see how it works for you, yes. The question is not what works for you but what did the founding fathers of communism said. They had no shame in pointing out that their philosophy relied on being offensive (many times, physically) against theism. That's the only point of the video.
sergiomats 1 year ago
@sergiomats so what has that got to do with today's skeptical rationalists that don't subscribe to any gods, unicorns or faeries?
sajfen 1 year ago
@sajfen The mentality of the people who killed millions of theists is still alive today. There are countless atheist leaders who qualify christianity as a virus. What do we do with viruses? We *fight against it*. We eliminate it. We surpress it. Anyway, the video was aimed at showing how atheism is not free of sins, contrary to popular social mithology.
sergiomats 1 year ago
@sergiomats Atheism has no dogmas, no leaders, no doctrines. It's just a lack of belief in god or gods. I have no clue what you think it is, but you're dead wrong.
sajfen 1 year ago
@sajfen Atheism has one dogma: "There is no God". Secondly, atheism is not mearly the suspension of belief, but the positive affirmation of the non-existence of God. The thing is, modern atheists have tried to change the definition of the word as means to avoid the burden of proof.
sergiomats 1 year ago
Atheism has no dogma. It is not the assertion that there is no god. It is simply a lack of belief in god
RationalConclusion 1 year ago
@UDamDirtyApes No, I don't fail to show that. THeir atheism fuled their hatred of religion, and thus the persecuton of religious people. HATRED OF RELIGION is the cause for their persecution of christians, and that hatred was suported by their atheism.
sergiomats 1 year ago
Atheism has no content. It therefore cannot fuel hatred or anything else for that matter.
Hatred of religion is not atheism.
RationalConclusion 1 year ago
Yawn. This is ridiculous. Where's your proof? Evidence? Even a hint of it?
MsCoralline 1 year ago
@MsCoralline The evidence is right there in the video: the citations of ommie atheists.
sergiomats 1 year ago
The atrocities committed in the name of Marxism were fueled by a philosophy that incorporated atheism, but were not caused by atheism itself. This argument is akin to pinning acts of Islamic extremism on theists as a whole.
Though there is a small difference. Disbelief alone will not motivate anyone to do anything. The day a genocide happens because of a disbelief in god without any beliefs motivating it, I will concede the point you to make in this video.
ElNerdoLoco 1 year ago
@ElNerdoLoco But the founders of communim said that they would fight against religion BECAUSE they were atheists.
sergiomats 1 year ago
@sergiomats And how does that matter today? Yes, Marxism had to discredit religion. Unless you belong to a white supremacist group however, I doubt you know anyone who subscribes to Marxism. Despite your quote, they did not fight religion because they were atheists. They fought it because it stood in the way of their political goals. Their brand of atheism was not based on skepticism as atheism today is. It was based on wanting absolute authority.
ElNerdoLoco 1 year ago
@ElNerdoLoco It matters today bkz the hatred commies had for christianity is still around. There are plenty of people who subscribe to variations of Marxism (Obama, etc). Their brand of atheism was bsed on the same shaky foundation as today's atheism, and they, like modern atheists, want total social authority to dictate how others should live their lives. Atheism lives on and we have to know what it is all about.
sergiomats 1 year ago
@sergiomats I get the impression i am talking to someone who received a whole lot of information about atheists from theists. The only thing atheism is, "based on" is the inability for anyone to provide empirical proof that a god exists. Claims that atheism has its roots in philosophies it predated or that it has a social agenda beyond wanting to remove religion from legal or political decisions seem like rhetoric created specifically to vilify the position.
ElNerdoLoco 1 year ago
@ElNerdoLoco The point of the video is to show how close atheism and communism are, and how the persecution of religion done by communists can be explained by the atheistic nature of communism.
sergiomats 1 year ago
@sergiomats The persecution of religious individuals can be explained by the fact their philosophy got in the way of the absolute reverence those dictators wanted. They wanted to be the only authority is the lives of their populace. Atheism was a consequence rather than a cause of this desire. The only thing linking atheism and communism is that Marxism incorporated both. They otherwise have nothing in common. They do not even deal with the same issues.
ElNerdoLoco 1 year ago
Atheism and communism are two completely different things and are not at all related. Atheism is nothing more than a lck of belief in god.
RationalConclusion 1 year ago
pretty damn stupid hate video in my opinion
sethecx 1 year ago
@sethecx "Hate" against who?
sergiomats 1 year ago