, such as the volcano when it comes out comes out the treasures of the earth and also makes the land fertile volcanic earthquake and also the type of vent to the land of Hatta do not explode and the disease makes the body a horse not being exposed to the body has a second time
The war made ??a major global organizations collected between the world wars and was the invention of penicillin and so it was not the evil of views
Good and evil, one complements the other land is not the Committee,
Cause of evil to exist first, there is evil and there is good in the presence Avatar, whichever is the rule and which one is the exception Health is the rule and the disease is the exception that the earth is a fixed base Hoalasttina devastating earthquake, as well as volcanoes and wars if the rule is good and evil is the exception Evil is not evil, but from all points on one side
people that believe in god have either been brought up to or people looking for something good in this life an answer for it all but thats all god is. NOT REAL!!
Man, see some folks say, "All truth is relative, it just depends on what you believe." You know, "hey man, ain't no way to know for sure who God is or what's really true." But that means you believe your own statement; that there's no way to know what's really true. You're saying that that statement is true. You're killing yourself. If what's true for you is true for you and what's true for me is true for me, what if my truth says your's is a lie? Is it still true? Come on man! god is real!
And what is the absence of food or water? Or the presence of pathogens, like virulent bacteria and viruses? Because those are some of the top killers in this world.
After all, nobody has the same exact expierience of life. Maybe you all should go back to school and take a philosophy course and learn to "think for yourself, and question authority." Timothy Leary.
However, wasn't Einstien who said that if you believe you are right, then you are, and if you believe you are wrong, then you are. This means that god is most likely what you want it to be
Looks like RadiantEclipseBand is listening only to what everyone else tells him a freemason is and has not done any of his own research on the subject. Therefore I would go to say that he is the one who is brain washed.
lol by my view god is real,from your view, he isnt, i got my facts, you go your facts, but one question stays neutra.l do any of you have the answer?if you do, answer it,
When you die you don't exist anymore. The so called "soul" only exist because of advance neurons (brain cells). This is what sets humans apart from animals. This is what let us imagine, dream, think, and etc. When the body die, the neurons die, and your so called "soul" dies. In short, you don't exist. A human being is nothing more than a machine. When the machine runs out of battery, every part of it seize to exist, even the mind aka "soul."
Hi Jon. The proposition that God isn't real does seem the explain very well why the world operates as it does. I'm theistic. I can see why many theists become deistic rationalists. It's often very difficult to support the idea of a personal God. I go out of my way to challenge my long held beliefs. Good video. Be well. Tom
I think that if you believe in a god, you should keep it to yourself. Churches are wastes of money. No one cares about your god besides you. We're born godless and we die godless.
there is more to life then just good, look at ur life and the life of ur family and friends, thier lives are good. everyone can't have a good life because there is both good and evil, since the begining of time there was good and evil. u r ignorant because ur mind is too focused on the bad and not spending enough time looking at the good.
No really, Barack Obama(the 4th horseman in Revelations as recent Bible codes confirm) is here, and now is the time for DEATH on the world; starts this month. You're time on this earth is VERY short my friend, don't be a FOOL.
"No really, Barack Obama(the 4th horseman in Revelations as recent Bible codes confirm) is here..."
The Bible code yields any information you look for (both the affirmative and negative forms)... and when you apply it to any large text (as has been done with Moby Dick) the same results are yielded. Falling for such nonsense is the hallmark of a feeble mind.
"...and now is the time for DEATH on the world; starts this month. You're time on this earth is VERY short my friend..."
How short, my paranoid delusional "friend?" I would like a maximum date by which I can be unambiguously justified in laughing at your childish antics, when I find myself still breathing.
It depends on WHO performs the Codes. Barack Obama is the death, this is evident because of his plan to depopulate America with the deadly H1N1 vaccine and fema concentration camps.
The codes are algorithms. There is no "performance," other than simply running them. And, as algorithms, they yield the same results every time - regardless of who runs them. Again, falling for such nonsense is the hallmark of a feeble mind.
"Barack Obama is the death, [sic] this is evident because of his plan to depopulate America with the deadly H1N1 vaccine and fema concentration camps."
It is pure paranoid speculation as to Obama's and FEMA's intentions, in regards to these specific (already speculative) issues. And the H1N1 vaccine is no different than any other flu vaccine that the responsible among us get each year. It is even more important to get the H1N1 vaccine, since we don't have a natural immunity.
But again, SuperboyXX0018, give me a maximum date by which I must be dead, a maximum date by which FEMA must have created concentration camps, and a maximum date by which the H1N1 vaccine must have killed a minimum of X people (tell me the values of X, as well), so that as those dates come and go, I may laugh at your childish inability to think critically, opting instead to naively believe whatever outlandish fantasy gives your life some perceived excitement and purpose.
I can tell you that in 2009( I THINK late October/early November) martial law will be declared as a result of this H1N1 "pandemic", that is for sure. The vaccine is starting to be given out as of today and it will kill millions, but don't expect your news programs to tell you this. Time is VERY short, its never too late to repent.
Thank you, SuperboyXX0018. I look forward to the inevitable; either your silence, in lieu of a willingness to eat your words, or your backpedaling, when 2010 comes and goes, and your paranoid prediction don't come to pass.
And when I soon take the H1N1 vaccine, it will increase my chance of living to see 23, contrary to you childish drivel.
My next post in this thread will be in 3 months (early January of 2010).
For future reference, the first 2 comments in this thread were posted on 10-04-09, the next 4 comments were posted on 10-05-09, and the remaining comments were posted today, 10-06-09.
Hello, SuperboyXX0018. As was obvious from the start, your paranoid predictions have been proven wrong. You said; "I can tell you that in 2009( I THINK late October/early November) martial law will be declared as a result of this H1N1 "pandemic", that is for sure."
That never happened. You also said; "The vaccine is starting to be given out as of today and it will kill millions, but don't expect your news programs to tell you this."
That never happened either. And when I told you that I took the H1N1 vaccine, you said; "You just sealed yourself then...... good day!"
As promised, I am here today (2/9/2010) to tell you that I am still alive and well (I didn't get any flu this year) and that your paranoia has been exposed for what it is.
The H1N1 staged pandemic failed as it turns out, now Barack Obama is working on something else to get martial law in and he will in 2010......see the Bible code links on my channel. A holocaust is coming to America in 2010.
SuperboyXX0018, you are a typical dishonest bullshitter—when one fabricated prediction fails to come true, maintain that it was legitimate, but failed, and immediately make another one.
Well, the date is 2/9/2010, and I will post my next response that points out your dishonesty in January-February of 2011, when neither "holocaust" nor "martial law" come to pass.
No, it was CLEAR that martial law was coming last fall, but we were wrong because Barack Obama and the government couldn't create the pandemic that they wanted. But martial law WILL come in 2010, and when it does happen, know that the Bible is the TRUTH.
@SuperboyXX0018 regardless of the totalitarian direction the government has been turning. I see no mention of the United States, Martial Law, or any of bullshit your shooting out of your mouth. The bible will be used against u if anything does go happen in the US Romans 13... what a good book you have there. its stock in trade = Submit
"Bible CODES......see the links on the left side of my channel."
SuperboyXX0018, those algorithms yield almost any message (including opposite/mutually exclusive messages), and can be found in any large text (like Moby-Dick). Oh, how gullible so many are.
Here is an interesting video by cdk007 showing these messages (such as "Nazis won world war," "earth flat square," "sky not blue," "rain is God crying," "Earth second planet from sun," "moon made Swiss cheese," "earth made jello," "Harry Potter real," "Loch Ness monster real," "Santa real," and "gravity lie,"):
i have been showing it dumbass. i am called the hellman for a reason. my life was once a life of hell and probly not worh living. but things are looking better know. and who do i have to thank. GOD MY FRIEND.
he will thank me. cause im defending him. if you dont beleave in god thats fine just as long as you keep it to yourself. and im just defending him on videos were pepole worship god and pepole go to that go thier just to post a mean comment about god. but what sort of ignoing jackass would make up a song like this. robbie fulks but be an antichrist or something. other wise he would of kept it to himself.
"he [sic] will thank me. cause [sic] im [sic] defending him."
You think the Christian god wants you to hurl insults at those that insult him? What in the New Testament gives you that impression? And surly you know that you are under the new covenant, so pointing to the Old Testament would be foolish.
"and im just defending him on videos were pepole worship god and pepole go to that go thier just to post a mean comment about god."
Have you already forgotten where you are? You are in my comment section. You have left your hateful comment on a video I edited together set to a third party's song. And if you want to talk about posting "mean comments," there is little meaner than "burn in Hell, Robbie Fulks."
"but [sic] what sort of ignoing [sic] jackass would make up a song like this. [sic] robbie fulks [sic] but be [sic] an antichrist or something. other wise [sic] he would of kept it to himself [sic]."
This song makes him an ignorant jackass, does it? (sorry; I mean "ignoing" jackass) Are you just going to leave your claim unsupported?
what the liveng hell could you possibly know about jesus if your the one insulting him. and your saying voices your opinion. i say fuck your damn opinion. cant have something nice to say dumbass dont say it at all. otherwise a lot of pepole like me are going to get pissed at you. and i bet the last thing you want is a ton of pepole hating you around the world. and thier is nothing meaner than burn in hell. cause thats were hes going to be when he dies!!!
"what [sic] the liveng [sic] hell could you possibly know about jesus [sic] if your the one insulting him."
You are a Christian, and you aren't even aware that the New Testament is the main source of information on Jesus? Or are you not aware that the NT is public access, with millions of copies world-wide?
"cant [sic] have something nice to say dumbass dont [sic] say it at all."
You follow your statement, "fuck your damn opinion," with this? Please stop throwing stone in your glass house, lest you find yourself homeless, hypocrite. And you say Im the "dumbass?" Oh, the irony.
"otherwise [sic] a lot of pepole [sic] like me are going to get pissed at you. and [sic] i [sic] bet the last thing you want is a ton of pepole [sic] hating you around the world."
Says the same hypocrite that said, "burn in Hell, Robbie Fulks."
"and [sic] thier [sic] is nothing meaner than burn in hell. cause [sic] thats [sic] were hes [sic] going to be when he dies!!!"
Have you no concept of context? A reference to something "mean," as in unpleasant has no place in a response to "mean" as in the nature of your hateful proclamations. But by all means; wallow in your own self-detrimental mindset. Just don't be surprised when you reap what you sow.
what the hell is the sic crap? and dude you must learn that science brings us closer to god every day. go to the pepole at nasa. 95% of them are christans. every day we find a new planet every day we discover somthing new. the question gets bigger and bigger. who created all of this? god is the only explanation.
You really couldn't be bothered to look it up? Fine, I'll hand the answer to you on a silver platter. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines 'sic' (adverb) as follows:
Etymology: Latin, so, thus — more at so
Date: circa 1859
: intentionally so written —used after a printed word or passage to indicate that it is intended exactly as printed or to indicate that it exactly reproduces an original
"go [sic] to the pepole [sic] at nasa [sic]. 95% of them are christans [sic]."
You are making that up. What's that old saying? Ahh, yes; you don't need to lie to get by. But by all means, if you actually have any studies to back your claim up, please provide them. Speaking of which, studies conducted from 1914 to 1998 show a consistent decrease in prominent scientist that believe in a god or gods (Table 1)
"Our chosen group of "greater" scientists were members of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS). Disbelief in God and immortality among NAS biological scientists was 65.2% and 69.0%, respectively, and among NAS physical scientists it was 79.0% and 76.3%.
Most of the rest were agnostics on both issues, with few believers. We found the highest percentage of belief among NAS mathematicians (14.3% in God, 15.0% in immortality). Biological scientists had the lowest rate of belief (5.5% in God, 7.1% in immortality), with physicists and astronomers slightly higher (7.5% in God, 7.5% in immortality)."
Leading scientists still reject God. Nature, Vol. 394, No. 6691, p. 313 (1998) Macmillan Publishers Ltd.
"and [sic] dude you must learn that science brings us closer to god every day ... every day [sic] we find a new planet every day we discover somthing [sic] new."
Quite the opposite; as humanity learns more and more of the structure function of this universe, fewer and fewer phenomena are unknown, and thus perceived as explainable only by assuming the supernatural. As our examination has increased, the god hypothesis has decreased in support.
dude god owns heaven and hell. for those that offend him will go thier. those that defend him will go to heaven. as long as im defedning god i can tell you and your song to go eatshit and die for all i care.
i hope hell isnt real. but heaven dude have you looked at the univese. every day we discover somthing new the question gets bigget. what created us? what made this universe? what could make energey appear out of nothing ness. god is the only ansewer.
well if there is heaven then there must be a hell, just like there's a good side and a bad side. but in reality heaven and hell are just made up. the universe makes me feel like if humans are just pathetic pieces of shit living in their own little world. if there were a god wouldn't it have a creator too?
well first of all. how does the universe make you feel like shit. and if thier is a war between heaven and hell heavan is winning. and thats another big question did god have a creator to? well if he did i guess god is carrying on his reputation.
excellent:)... I am a total atheist... to the point that I actually think that any man who has a position of power (political etc) should take a vow to reject religion. It's just not safe. Religions in the government and industry lead to terrible stuff around the world. keep on!
Dumb christians. ZERO proof god id real people! God speaking- "What the..? I just came out of nowhere! Well i guess i should create a bunch of stuff by just saying i want it to be there" Therewe go now i will just sit here and never let anyone know i exist ever" because he doesnt
i am an atheist but i do believe people have a right to faith. i understand that's not what the message of this video is, but rather the fact that people believe in something that gives them false hope
My point was that the message in this video is ironic. I don't care if you or anyone here believes that God created man or man God. I am an agnostic, and as such I realize how absurd such a question is to begin with.
That being said, the more I listen to your inability to grasp the point of my comments, your blanket generalizations, and unverified claims the more I regret engaging you in dialogue to begin with.
Forgive me, but you'll have to go on alone from here.
Technically we are all agnostics. I give each particular supernatural being, mythological creature and god a possibility to exist. But I have to conclude that without sufficient (or indeed any) evidence to support the existence of any such entity, it is reasonable to say that they don't exist. For philosophical accuracy one can add that of course there is a possibility of any thing we can ever imagine to be true.
I agree with you to and would add that if an entity is unknowable and/or undetectable it then shares all characteristics with an non existing entity. There is no way of determining the difference of an undetectable and non existing entity so I'm content to lump both into the same category as non existing until further evidence is discovered.
We need to keep saying this, again and again, and say it loud until everyone listens. Scream it from every rooftop in every town and every city so we may cure all the children, men, and women of this world of this medieval mental virus of religion.
God isn't real... the king of false hopes, false promises and false dreams...god is not real.
Sadly for you, Mr. Lordes, the facts are on my side and not yours. If you would care to peruse the website I linked to Mr. Astronomer, you will find that nearly half of American Christians don't believe that Satan exists.
Also, roughly two-thirds of American Christians believe its is important to maintain active, healthy relationships with people who belong to religious faiths that do not accept the central beliefs of your faith.
Sadly for you, Mr. Lordes, Christians aren't motivated primarily by fear of hell. That may have been the case in the Dark Ages, but Christianity has since moved on. It's time for you to update your critique to fit Christianity as it is today and not as it was over a millenium ago. Until then, have fun fighting a straw man.
"I mean more than that, Mr. Astronomer. In the United States, Christians donate over three times as much to charity per person than non-religious folk."
Then yes, SlyFox616, you do mean ratio; thank you for clarifying. But you have yet to cite your source. Again, I would like to check to see what type of study was conducted that yielded the results you claim, and to see what the sample sizes, demographics, and methods used were, etc.
Upon reading it a second time, they considered donations to church as charitable donations. Nevertheless, if you subtract the church donations from their total donations, you still end up with a much higher donation-per-person with Christians than with the non-religious.
"Upon reading it a second time, they considered donations to church as charitable donations. Nevertheless, if you subtract the church donations from their total donations, you still end up with a much higher donation-per-person with Christians than with the non-religious."
Firstly, SlyFox616, you claim that you "[subtracted] the church donations from their total donations," yet this isn't possible.
The Barna study makes utterly no distinction between donations to non-profit churches and other religious non-profit organizations, and any other non-profit organization, in the areas pertinent to "the non-religious." The terminology used is "all non-profit entities [3]." Based on this study, it is simply not possible to determine whether Christians (even evangelicals) give more to any given type of charity (Ex. aid to reduce starvation in Africa, Asia, etc) than atheists and agnostics do.
Secondly, although it is a mute point; the study you cited was of "a random sample of 1006 adults selected from across the continental United States [3]." Given that the study you cited was asking something as variable as donation amounts, I hardly find such a sample, yielding a sample of ~40 "atheists and agnostics" (~0.0000033% of the total), to accurately represent the donation habits of ~12,125,851 people [1]. (4% of the "303,146,284" people in the United States, as of January 1, 2008 [2])
The study I cited, on the other hand, was of "a representative sample of 35,556 adults living in the continental United States [3]," yielding a sample of ~1422 "atheists and agnostics" (~0.00011% of the total). Not only is that sample is ~33.3 times larger than that of the Barna study, but the U.S. Religious Landscape Survey merely asked which of 35 categories they professed to be in. I find the validity of the Barna study to be comparatively questionable.
Here is an article by a fellow who has done more research than I and studied philanthropy much more than either of us. He cites over a dozen sources that you can have fun analyzing for statistical relevance.
tinyurl(DOT)com/mp25j8
Is it really so hard to believe that the religious give more to charity than the non-religious...given how deeply tithing, zakat, etc are rooted in their respective faiths?
According to the Barna study, "Overall, the three segments of the Christian community averaged donations of $1426... Atheists and agnostics provided an average of $467 to all non-profit organizations."
According to 'Religion & Philanthropy,' by Thomas Jeavons, "If one combines the gifts made by individuals to other types of institutions with religious roots and characteristics - like some colleges, social service agencies, hospitals, and the like - with gifts to congregations and denominations, it appears that religious causes and activities could be the recipients of as much as two-thirds of charitable donations."
One third of $1426 is $475.33. Given the significant margin of error for atheists and agnostics in the Barna study (resulting from the small sample size), this is consistent with atheists and agnostics giving the same amount to non-religious organizations as religious people do.
Thomas Jeavons' sources do indicate that the more active one is in his or her temple (church, synagogue, mosque, etc), the more likely one is to donate more. But this too is consistent with two thirds of donations going to temples and other religious organizations, and does not indicate that atheists and agnostics donate less to non-religious organizations than religious people do.
"Is it really so hard to believe that the religious give more to charity than the non-religious...given how deeply tithing, zakat, etc are rooted in their respective faiths?"
No, it isn't hard for me to believe, for that very reason (as speculative as it is). But that doesn't mean that it should be believed - it only reaches that status if it has sufficient evidence to support it. Thus far, I do not see sufficient evidence; quite the contrary.
I wouldn't be so quick to discount the donation to religious organizations. The Salvation Army qualifies as one such organization. Furthermore, as Mr. Jarvis mentioned, churches themselves are often the largest sources of donations.
"Furthermore, as Mr. Jarvis mentioned, churches themselves are often the largest sources of donations."
If they donate to the church, and then the church donates elsewhere, good on the church for choosing to do so. But that has no bearing on the question of how much individual people donate, themselves.
Yes, GeneticSupremacy, I would definitely question just how altruistic the reasons for donation are in those who believe it is required of them and/or are part of an institution that pressures them to do so, more than I would an atheist or agnostic, without such command or pressure.
I find the 'Religion & Philanthropy' article, by Thomas Jeavons, to support that when it mentions the relationship between church attendance and donation amount.
"The great irony of this poem is that the faithful donate much, much more to charity than secular folk."
SlyFox616, if you mean that the number of people who both profess religious belief and donate to charitable organizations is far greater than the number of those who both profess no religious belief and do so, you are correct.
However, that is obviously due to there being far more people professing religious belief than those professing no religious belief (source cited below). And if that is what you mean, then it is not ironic.
"Atheist, agnostic, and nothing in particular" represents the professed status of 16.1% of the US population, as of 2007:
If, you mean that the ratio of religious who donate to religious who do not donate is greater than the ratio of nonreligious who donate to nonreligious who do not donate, then I hope you won't mind if I ask what your sources are. I would like to check to see what type of study was conducted, what the sample sizes, demographics, and methods used were, etc.
The only flaw with this type of video is that the individuals suffering are not going to get any relief from hearing this.
The writer - amateur poet? - uses these emotional topics to justify his/her opinion, but that makes the whole seem more like self-pity. It's like saying "look at all the sorrow... woe is me world"
"The only flaw with this type of video is that the individuals suffering are not going to get any relief from hearing this."
That isn't a flaw - a poem or song isn't going to eliminate the sources of suffering in anyone's life. And without such action, the suffering will continue. To expect otherwise is unrealistic.
"The writer - amateur poet? - uses these emotional topics to justify his/her opinion..."
The specific god-concept referenced is properly addressed by pointing out human suffering, as it contains statements on the deitys perception of human suffering.
And he is a country singer. These are the spoken lyrics to one of his songs. I also made a video much like this one, set to this song.
"...but that makes the whole seem more like self-pity. It's like saying look at all the sorrow... woe is me world'"
No, there is no self-pity. Where does it mention the suffering of the writer? It doesn't. It focuses on the suffering of others. And yes, general human suffering is of great importance to many humans (myself very much induced).
If we really did remove all scientific benefits from believers (not that we would), how many would de-convert in 24 hours? How many would be left after a week? And in a month there would be just a tiny percentage still clinging to the books, and THEY would be the only TRUE believers. And they probably didn't use "the machines and medicines" in the first place.
It's easy to understand why people would believe in a god. The suffering in the world is so difficult to accept that there's got to be someone powerful to help ease the pain. People just can't handle it.
So, they pray. Prayer is a way to do nothing but feel like you've accomplished something. It helps them sleep at night hoping that "god" has a plan so they don't have to intervene.
1:06 That's my favorite pic that I like to bring out when I'm being told God has a plan for me or I can do anything if I just ask God to help me. I can see what God's plan for that little girl was! God has blessed the vulture.
"Nice Strawman!!! If the bible didn't describe all the suffering in the world, your argument might actually hold water. it really doesn't."
What an interesting assumption, and what an odd reaction to poetry, truevoiceofsanity. But perhaps you could elaborate on this argument you assume I'm making, and on how you think it a strawman.
"The problem is that you're obviously criticizing christianity on emotional grounds."
If you are implying that showing the proposed creator deity to be apathetic, or even malicious, is not an argument against its existence, then I quite agree. However, doing so does have a strong tendency to make the proposition less appealing.
And for those who chose which model to believe most accurately reflects reality based how they think it will benefit them, an unappealing model will likely be shunned. Hopefully, from there, they might adopt a less selfish method.
"Christianity can offer some hope for those who suffer. What does Atheism offer?"
Offer, migkillertwo? When you say Christianity (a sentient mind that created reality) or atheism (no such entity) you are referring to models of reality.
I find the method of choosing which model to believe most accurately reflects reality based how you think it will benefit you, rather than whether or not it likely does reflect reality, to be both a tremendously selfish and a quite unreliable one.
Silly superstitions and bigoted dogma have no place in the 21st century.
dkthg 3 weeks ago
but is a test to take every man his right to take his punishment sinned it works well and takes reward to enter paradise
ThePero20111 2 months ago
, such as the volcano when it comes out comes out the treasures of the earth and also makes the land fertile volcanic earthquake and also the type of vent to the land of Hatta do not explode and the disease makes the body a horse not being exposed to the body has a second time
The war made ??a major global organizations collected between the world wars and was the invention of penicillin and so it was not the evil of views
Good and evil, one complements the other land is not the Committee,
ThePero20111 2 months ago
Cause of evil to exist first, there is evil and there is good in the presence Avatar, whichever is the rule and which one is the exception Health is the rule and the disease is the exception that the earth is a fixed base Hoalasttina devastating earthquake, as well as volcanoes and wars if the rule is good and evil is the exception Evil is not evil, but from all points on one side
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ThePero20111 2 months ago
people that believe in god have either been brought up to or people looking for something good in this life an answer for it all but thats all god is. NOT REAL!!
TheNicko89 2 months ago
shut the h*ll up because god is real
juantamayo99 4 months ago in playlist More videos from SecularAstronomer
Whatever type of a god you may believe in, notice that he/she/it/they = invisible.
Get a clue. Your friend is imaginary.
dimefeet 4 months ago
"God" is a human construct,an anthropomorphic embodiment of 'goodness',an ideal everyone should aim to emulate. But not a real entity.
OldSchoolChinny 6 months ago
god is real
300romio 9 months ago
Its okay to be afraid of something, or even doubt it, just because you do not understand it. Let it go.
scopapa33 1 year ago
Man, see some folks say, "All truth is relative, it just depends on what you believe." You know, "hey man, ain't no way to know for sure who God is or what's really true." But that means you believe your own statement; that there's no way to know what's really true. You're saying that that statement is true. You're killing yourself. If what's true for you is true for you and what's true for me is true for me, what if my truth says your's is a lie? Is it still true? Come on man! god is real!
jumpman11alamo 1 year ago
I feel your pain brother though I would never say it is against The GOD
Very touching and poetic,
JesusRuizII 1 year ago
I feel your pain brother though I would never say it is against The GOD
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valcon128 1 year ago
as darkness is the absence of light and dryness is the absence of water evil is the absence of god
alexmathis1 1 year ago
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And what is the absence of food or water? Or the presence of pathogens, like virulent bacteria and viruses? Because those are some of the top killers in this world.
SecularAstronomer 1 year ago
@SecularAstronomer eviler and evilest... lol
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...no matter how he SHOULD be. "G"od isnt' real
bdbthinker 1 year ago
all i want to know is, who is god?
and why he never reaveals himself?
was there ever any pictures of him?
if he created everything.........
who created him?
one must come from another..........i guess........
if god created the universe , why spit everbody apart
princethe1ne 1 year ago
god is real he does this cause he wants his children to help if they pass away the will go with their father in peace
flameboyx1 1 year ago
May God be with you!
pititos1172 1 year ago
you are a MORON!!!!!
nztexas1 1 year ago
yes video is right
jimmysidhu007 2 years ago
After all, nobody has the same exact expierience of life. Maybe you all should go back to school and take a philosophy course and learn to "think for yourself, and question authority." Timothy Leary.
emtmat76 2 years ago
However, wasn't Einstien who said that if you believe you are right, then you are, and if you believe you are wrong, then you are. This means that god is most likely what you want it to be
emtmat76 2 years ago
Looks like RadiantEclipseBand is listening only to what everyone else tells him a freemason is and has not done any of his own research on the subject. Therefore I would go to say that he is the one who is brain washed.
emtmat76 2 years ago
This video is garbage! Stop being in denial, all you are doing is being nothing but a freemason and trying to brainwash everyone!
I rated this video 1 star, and this even deserved a fight challenge!
RadiantEclipseBand 2 years ago
"This video is garbage!"
Well, we're all entitled to our opinions. Some like it (myself, for instance), and some don't.
"Stop being in denial..."
That isn't remotely persuasive.
"...all you are doing is being nothing but a [Freemason] and trying to brainwash everyone!"
I am 'being' a Freemason? I was unaware one could unintentionally join a group. Interesting. And how is reading a poem 'brainwashing?'
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"I rated this video 1 star..."
Alright.
"...and this even deserved a fight challenge!"
A fight? You are aware this is the internet, aren't you? In any case, I have little tolerance for mindless thugs with violent propensities.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
She accuses you of trying to brainwash people? Then what has religion been doing since it had begun.
R0KURU 2 years ago
GOD IS REAL TASTEY
thejooch 2 years ago
God is so stupid man, i mean come on! I'm 13 and i stoped believing in zombies when i was 5!
Rubiscube69 2 years ago
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seapoopy 2 years ago
Do you have the answers? If you dont SHUT THE FUCK UP you retard troll!
CamboRocker 2 years ago
This video is a disappointment.
AntiHypocrisy 2 years ago
But it's real and true at the same time
mcbowser 2 years ago
lol by my view god is real,from your view, he isnt, i got my facts, you go your facts, but one question stays neutra.l do any of you have the answer?if you do, answer it,
what happens when you die?
13eastification 2 years ago
nobody knows. And there is no proof but a book that haz been changed time and time again
MangleMii 2 years ago
When you die you don't exist anymore. The so called "soul" only exist because of advance neurons (brain cells). This is what sets humans apart from animals. This is what let us imagine, dream, think, and etc. When the body die, the neurons die, and your so called "soul" dies. In short, you don't exist. A human being is nothing more than a machine. When the machine runs out of battery, every part of it seize to exist, even the mind aka "soul."
TheFelix187 2 years ago
God is about as real as unicorns and leprechauns. It's a fairy tale
scottpilgrim88 2 years ago
Hi Jon. The proposition that God isn't real does seem the explain very well why the world operates as it does. I'm theistic. I can see why many theists become deistic rationalists. It's often very difficult to support the idea of a personal God. I go out of my way to challenge my long held beliefs. Good video. Be well. Tom
NeoPsiTom 2 years ago
I think that if you believe in a god, you should keep it to yourself. Churches are wastes of money. No one cares about your god besides you. We're born godless and we die godless.
fr0zeny0gurt 2 years ago
i'll tell you who is god,
i could tell you that.
but who knows?
this is only what i beleave.
god is god is, what is god?
from my point of view it's nature but sure, some people wil deny this and say it's a man.
sure but where does man come from?
zezimashock 2 years ago
I can prove to you that GOD is REAL. Let me know if you would like to engage in the debate. Cheers.
richie7rich7 2 years ago
god isnt real..
scrapesmagepvp 2 years ago
ill engage in this arguement, god is a load of shite.
xROCKxLEGENDx 2 years ago
god gave us the rigth to chose, if u chose to do nothing to help those less lucky than don't blame god for ur laziness
OGSEAMEN 2 years ago
GOD IS REAL.
lovelymissalyssa 2 years ago 2
@lovelymissalyssa prove it...
gothrulz2003 1 year ago
@lovelymissalyssa No he isnt
Gnoma2345 1 year ago
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@lovelymissalyssa said "GOD IS REAL."
Based on what evidence? None.
gods are imaginary.
dimefeet 4 months ago
there is more to life then just good, look at ur life and the life of ur family and friends, thier lives are good. everyone can't have a good life because there is both good and evil, since the begining of time there was good and evil. u r ignorant because ur mind is too focused on the bad and not spending enough time looking at the good.
OGSEAMEN 2 years ago
Sure God is real, and SOON you'll find that out........ we're at the end, this fall and winter is the peak!
SuperboyXX0018 2 years ago
"Sure God is real, and SOON you'll find that out........ we're at the end, this fall and winter is the peak! "
Right, SuperboyXX0018 - just like people have been saying for Millennia, now; "it's the end of the world! ...but for real, this time!"
Get in line. I, my future children, and my children's children will see the dates of your boiler-plate paranoid predictions come and go.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
No really, Barack Obama(the 4th horseman in Revelations as recent Bible codes confirm) is here, and now is the time for DEATH on the world; starts this month. You're time on this earth is VERY short my friend, don't be a FOOL.
SuperboyXX0018 2 years ago
"No really, Barack Obama(the 4th horseman in Revelations as recent Bible codes confirm) is here..."
The Bible code yields any information you look for (both the affirmative and negative forms)... and when you apply it to any large text (as has been done with Moby Dick) the same results are yielded. Falling for such nonsense is the hallmark of a feeble mind.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"...and now is the time for DEATH on the world; starts this month. You're time on this earth is VERY short my friend..."
How short, my paranoid delusional "friend?" I would like a maximum date by which I can be unambiguously justified in laughing at your childish antics, when I find myself still breathing.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"...don't be a FOOL."
Oh, the irony of projection.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
It depends on WHO performs the Codes. Barack Obama is the death, this is evident because of his plan to depopulate America with the deadly H1N1 vaccine and fema concentration camps.
SuperboyXX0018 2 years ago
"It depends on WHO performs the Codes."
The codes are algorithms. There is no "performance," other than simply running them. And, as algorithms, they yield the same results every time - regardless of who runs them. Again, falling for such nonsense is the hallmark of a feeble mind.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"Barack Obama is the death, [sic] this is evident because of his plan to depopulate America with the deadly H1N1 vaccine and fema concentration camps."
It is pure paranoid speculation as to Obama's and FEMA's intentions, in regards to these specific (already speculative) issues. And the H1N1 vaccine is no different than any other flu vaccine that the responsible among us get each year. It is even more important to get the H1N1 vaccine, since we don't have a natural immunity.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
But again, SuperboyXX0018, give me a maximum date by which I must be dead, a maximum date by which FEMA must have created concentration camps, and a maximum date by which the H1N1 vaccine must have killed a minimum of X people (tell me the values of X, as well), so that as those dates come and go, I may laugh at your childish inability to think critically, opting instead to naively believe whatever outlandish fantasy gives your life some perceived excitement and purpose.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
I can tell you that in 2009( I THINK late October/early November) martial law will be declared as a result of this H1N1 "pandemic", that is for sure. The vaccine is starting to be given out as of today and it will kill millions, but don't expect your news programs to tell you this. Time is VERY short, its never too late to repent.
SuperboyXX0018 2 years ago
Thank you, SuperboyXX0018. I look forward to the inevitable; either your silence, in lieu of a willingness to eat your words, or your backpedaling, when 2010 comes and goes, and your paranoid prediction don't come to pass.
And when I soon take the H1N1 vaccine, it will increase my chance of living to see 23, contrary to you childish drivel.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
You just sealed yourself then...... good day!
SuperboyXX0018 2 years ago
My next post in this thread will be in 3 months (early January of 2010).
For future reference, the first 2 comments in this thread were posted on 10-04-09, the next 4 comments were posted on 10-05-09, and the remaining comments were posted today, 10-06-09.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
Hello, SuperboyXX0018. As was obvious from the start, your paranoid predictions have been proven wrong. You said; "I can tell you that in 2009( I THINK late October/early November) martial law will be declared as a result of this H1N1 "pandemic", that is for sure."
That never happened. You also said; "The vaccine is starting to be given out as of today and it will kill millions, but don't expect your news programs to tell you this."
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
That never happened either. And when I told you that I took the H1N1 vaccine, you said; "You just sealed yourself then...... good day!"
As promised, I am here today (2/9/2010) to tell you that I am still alive and well (I didn't get any flu this year) and that your paranoia has been exposed for what it is.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
The H1N1 staged pandemic failed as it turns out, now Barack Obama is working on something else to get martial law in and he will in 2010......see the Bible code links on my channel. A holocaust is coming to America in 2010.
SuperboyXX0018 1 year ago
SuperboyXX0018, you are a typical dishonest bullshitter—when one fabricated prediction fails to come true, maintain that it was legitimate, but failed, and immediately make another one.
Well, the date is 2/9/2010, and I will post my next response that points out your dishonesty in January-February of 2011, when neither "holocaust" nor "martial law" come to pass.
And yah, yah—I know; "This time, it's for real!"
You are the little boy that cried wolf.
SecularAstronomer 1 year ago
No, it was CLEAR that martial law was coming last fall, but we were wrong because Barack Obama and the government couldn't create the pandemic that they wanted. But martial law WILL come in 2010, and when it does happen, know that the Bible is the TRUTH.
SuperboyXX0018 1 year ago
You're just restating what you've already said, SuperboyXX0018.
When you cry wolf, people don't flinch when you cry it again.
I look forward to 2011, where your most recent cry will be seen for what it is... again.
SecularAstronomer 1 year ago
@SuperboyXX0018 regardless of the totalitarian direction the government has been turning. I see no mention of the United States, Martial Law, or any of bullshit your shooting out of your mouth. The bible will be used against u if anything does go happen in the US Romans 13... what a good book you have there. its stock in trade = Submit
ORACLE063 1 year ago
@SuperboyXX0018
lol,where in the Bible does it say "marshall law will be declared in the United States in 2010", must've missed that part
Takua38000 1 year ago
Bible CODES......see the links on the left side of my channel.
SuperboyXX0018 1 year ago
@SuperboyXX0018
you realize that you can find codes like that in every book right?
Takua38000 1 year ago
"Bible CODES......see the links on the left side of my channel."
SuperboyXX0018, those algorithms yield almost any message (including opposite/mutually exclusive messages), and can be found in any large text (like Moby-Dick). Oh, how gullible so many are.
SecularAstronomer 1 year ago
Here is an interesting video by cdk007 showing these messages (such as "Nazis won world war," "earth flat square," "sky not blue," "rain is God crying," "Earth second planet from sun," "moon made Swiss cheese," "earth made jello," "Harry Potter real," "Loch Ness monster real," "Santa real," and "gravity lie,"):
Amazing Bible Code Predictions:
tinyurl(DOT)com/cdk007BibleCode
or
watch?v=T79uaP_Kx6E
SecularAstronomer 1 year ago
You'll see otherwise in some time.....
SuperboyXX0018 1 year ago
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You'll see otherwise in some time.....
SuperboyXX0018 1 year ago
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You'll see otherwise in some time.....
SuperboyXX0018 1 year ago
This guy is amazing
Stupid God followers
haahahha
Makes me smile you still believe in god.
You don't like me?
PROVE TO ME YOUR GOD IS REAL!!
jmd3179 2 years ago
well said
im so happy i dont believe in god
my mind would be so...corrupt
billybobjohn7 2 years ago
GOT AND BURN IN HELL ROBBIE FULKS. god is real no doubt about it.
Thehellman131 2 years ago
and you're so full of love just in His image, right? if God is so real to you show it in your life and in the way you refer to people - hypocrite!
Hyrshau 2 years ago
i have been showing it dumbass. i am called the hellman for a reason. my life was once a life of hell and probly not worh living. but things are looking better know. and who do i have to thank. GOD MY FRIEND.
Thehellman131 2 years ago
Do you also have the creator deity to thank for your arrogance, lack of empathy, and abrasive demeanor, Thehellman131?
Or are you either counting the hits and ignoring the misses, or just outright lacking in appropriate social skills?
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
he will thank me. cause im defending him. if you dont beleave in god thats fine just as long as you keep it to yourself. and im just defending him on videos were pepole worship god and pepole go to that go thier just to post a mean comment about god. but what sort of ignoing jackass would make up a song like this. robbie fulks but be an antichrist or something. other wise he would of kept it to himself.
Thehellman131 2 years ago
"he [sic] will thank me. cause [sic] im [sic] defending him."
You think the Christian god wants you to hurl insults at those that insult him? What in the New Testament gives you that impression? And surly you know that you are under the new covenant, so pointing to the Old Testament would be foolish.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"if [sic] you dont [sic] beleave [sic] in god thats [sic] fine just as long as you keep it to yourself."
No, it's also fine if one voices their opinion.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"and im just defending him on videos were pepole worship god and pepole go to that go thier just to post a mean comment about god."
Have you already forgotten where you are? You are in my comment section. You have left your hateful comment on a video I edited together set to a third party's song. And if you want to talk about posting "mean comments," there is little meaner than "burn in Hell, Robbie Fulks."
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"but [sic] what sort of ignoing [sic] jackass would make up a song like this. [sic] robbie fulks [sic] but be [sic] an antichrist or something. other wise [sic] he would of kept it to himself [sic]."
This song makes him an ignorant jackass, does it? (sorry; I mean "ignoing" jackass) Are you just going to leave your claim unsupported?
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
what the liveng hell could you possibly know about jesus if your the one insulting him. and your saying voices your opinion. i say fuck your damn opinion. cant have something nice to say dumbass dont say it at all. otherwise a lot of pepole like me are going to get pissed at you. and i bet the last thing you want is a ton of pepole hating you around the world. and thier is nothing meaner than burn in hell. cause thats were hes going to be when he dies!!!
Thehellman131 2 years ago
"what [sic] the liveng [sic] hell could you possibly know about jesus [sic] if your the one insulting him."
You are a Christian, and you aren't even aware that the New Testament is the main source of information on Jesus? Or are you not aware that the NT is public access, with millions of copies world-wide?
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"and [sic] your [sic] saying voices [sic] your opinion. I [sic] say fuck your damn opinion."
Of course you do; what else would an angry, abrasive, socially inept, intellectually deficient excuse for an attentive follower of Jesus say?
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"cant [sic] have something nice to say dumbass dont [sic] say it at all."
You follow your statement, "fuck your damn opinion," with this? Please stop throwing stone in your glass house, lest you find yourself homeless, hypocrite. And you say Im the "dumbass?" Oh, the irony.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"otherwise [sic] a lot of pepole [sic] like me are going to get pissed at you. and [sic] i [sic] bet the last thing you want is a ton of pepole [sic] hating you around the world."
Says the same hypocrite that said, "burn in Hell, Robbie Fulks."
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"and [sic] thier [sic] is nothing meaner than burn in hell. cause [sic] thats [sic] were hes [sic] going to be when he dies!!!"
Have you no concept of context? A reference to something "mean," as in unpleasant has no place in a response to "mean" as in the nature of your hateful proclamations. But by all means; wallow in your own self-detrimental mindset. Just don't be surprised when you reap what you sow.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
what the hell is the sic crap? and dude you must learn that science brings us closer to god every day. go to the pepole at nasa. 95% of them are christans. every day we find a new planet every day we discover somthing new. the question gets bigger and bigger. who created all of this? god is the only explanation.
Thehellman131 2 years ago
"what [sic] the hell is the sic crap?"
You really couldn't be bothered to look it up? Fine, I'll hand the answer to you on a silver platter. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines 'sic' (adverb) as follows:
Etymology: Latin, so, thus — more at so
Date: circa 1859
: intentionally so written —used after a printed word or passage to indicate that it is intended exactly as printed or to indicate that it exactly reproduces an original
Ex: "said he seed [sic] it all"
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
If you weren't so inept and/or lazy when it comes to grammar, spelling, and punctuation, I wouldn't need to use 'sic' so often.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"go [sic] to the pepole [sic] at nasa [sic]. 95% of them are christans [sic]."
You are making that up. What's that old saying? Ahh, yes; you don't need to lie to get by. But by all means, if you actually have any studies to back your claim up, please provide them. Speaking of which, studies conducted from 1914 to 1998 show a consistent decrease in prominent scientist that believe in a god or gods (Table 1)
Table 1
tinyurl(DOT)com/ojqhj6
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
And look at the actual figures:
"Our chosen group of "greater" scientists were members of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS). Disbelief in God and immortality among NAS biological scientists was 65.2% and 69.0%, respectively, and among NAS physical scientists it was 79.0% and 76.3%.
[quote continued]
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
[quote continued]
Most of the rest were agnostics on both issues, with few believers. We found the highest percentage of belief among NAS mathematicians (14.3% in God, 15.0% in immortality). Biological scientists had the lowest rate of belief (5.5% in God, 7.1% in immortality), with physicists and astronomers slightly higher (7.5% in God, 7.5% in immortality)."
Leading scientists still reject God. Nature, Vol. 394, No. 6691, p. 313 (1998) Macmillan Publishers Ltd.
tinyurl(DOT)com/qpesuk
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"and [sic] dude you must learn that science brings us closer to god every day ... every day [sic] we find a new planet every day we discover somthing [sic] new."
Quite the opposite; as humanity learns more and more of the structure function of this universe, fewer and fewer phenomena are unknown, and thus perceived as explainable only by assuming the supernatural. As our examination has increased, the god hypothesis has decreased in support.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"the [sic] question gets bigger and bigger. who [sic] created all of this? god [sic] is the only explanation."
The assumption that it is a 'who' is exactly the hypothesis that has become less and less supported.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
I have three tips for you, Thehellman131:
1) The first word in a sentence is always capitalized.
2) Commas typically go where there would be a pause if the sentence was spoken.
3) Spell-check is your friend. (Yes, those red underlines actually mean something.)
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
dude god owns heaven and hell. for those that offend him will go thier. those that defend him will go to heaven. as long as im defedning god i can tell you and your song to go eatshit and die for all i care.
Thehellman131 2 years ago
wat if heaven and hell are not real?
those things are just made up by people, is there any evidence that heaven and hell are real?
iownu412 2 years ago
i hope hell isnt real. but heaven dude have you looked at the univese. every day we discover somthing new the question gets bigget. what created us? what made this universe? what could make energey appear out of nothing ness. god is the only ansewer.
Thehellman131 2 years ago
well if there is heaven then there must be a hell, just like there's a good side and a bad side. but in reality heaven and hell are just made up. the universe makes me feel like if humans are just pathetic pieces of shit living in their own little world. if there were a god wouldn't it have a creator too?
iownu412 2 years ago
well first of all. how does the universe make you feel like shit. and if thier is a war between heaven and hell heavan is winning. and thats another big question did god have a creator to? well if he did i guess god is carrying on his reputation.
Thehellman131 2 years ago
excellent:)... I am a total atheist... to the point that I actually think that any man who has a position of power (political etc) should take a vow to reject religion. It's just not safe. Religions in the government and industry lead to terrible stuff around the world. keep on!
mrnitro30103 2 years ago
Dumb christians. ZERO proof god id real people! God speaking- "What the..? I just came out of nowhere! Well i guess i should create a bunch of stuff by just saying i want it to be there" Therewe go now i will just sit here and never let anyone know i exist ever" because he doesnt
metalhead5557 2 years ago
i am an atheist but i do believe people have a right to faith. i understand that's not what the message of this video is, but rather the fact that people believe in something that gives them false hope
well spoken
xFlaredx 2 years ago
It is easy to look at one side of the coin and determan the existance of God right?
Yes, there is suffuring in the world and within, but does this determine total existance?
What about the good that is done every day.
What about the goodness within yourself for at least caring about the suffering.
This love and compassion comes from somewhere and we Xtians choose to call this God/Jesus.
If you on/y look at one side of the coin you miss the whole other side
U mis Him!
jesuskopp 2 years ago
YES!. i am obsessed with aliens and space. i like ur videos alot man.
and this video is awesome. good job
Ras902 2 years ago
Mr. Lordes,
My point was that the message in this video is ironic. I don't care if you or anyone here believes that God created man or man God. I am an agnostic, and as such I realize how absurd such a question is to begin with.
That being said, the more I listen to your inability to grasp the point of my comments, your blanket generalizations, and unverified claims the more I regret engaging you in dialogue to begin with.
Forgive me, but you'll have to go on alone from here.
SlyFox616 2 years ago
Technically we are all agnostics. I give each particular supernatural being, mythological creature and god a possibility to exist. But I have to conclude that without sufficient (or indeed any) evidence to support the existence of any such entity, it is reasonable to say that they don't exist. For philosophical accuracy one can add that of course there is a possibility of any thing we can ever imagine to be true.
omegavalerius 2 years ago
Mr. Valerius,
If you call yourself an agnostic, then you are a much different kind of agnostic than I.
A consequence of being an unknowable deity is that one has no way of 'knowing' what constitutes evidence for or against its existance to begin with.
SlyFox616 2 years ago
I agree with you to and would add that if an entity is unknowable and/or undetectable it then shares all characteristics with an non existing entity. There is no way of determining the difference of an undetectable and non existing entity so I'm content to lump both into the same category as non existing until further evidence is discovered.
omegavalerius 2 years ago
excellent. Well stated, and well shown!
atreau2k 2 years ago
My only complaint is that, even with my volume turned up to maximum, I can barely hear the video.
Lxndrc 2 years ago
We need to keep saying this, again and again, and say it loud until everyone listens. Scream it from every rooftop in every town and every city so we may cure all the children, men, and women of this world of this medieval mental virus of religion.
God isn't real... the king of false hopes, false promises and false dreams...god is not real.
siciliano29 2 years ago 2
Sadly for you, Mr. Lordes, the facts are on my side and not yours. If you would care to peruse the website I linked to Mr. Astronomer, you will find that nearly half of American Christians don't believe that Satan exists.
Also, roughly two-thirds of American Christians believe its is important to maintain active, healthy relationships with people who belong to religious faiths that do not accept the central beliefs of your faith.
SlyFox616 2 years ago
Sadly for you, Mr. Lordes, Christians aren't motivated primarily by fear of hell. That may have been the case in the Dark Ages, but Christianity has since moved on. It's time for you to update your critique to fit Christianity as it is today and not as it was over a millenium ago. Until then, have fun fighting a straw man.
SlyFox616 2 years ago
"I mean more than that, Mr. Astronomer. In the United States, Christians donate over three times as much to charity per person than non-religious folk."
Then yes, SlyFox616, you do mean ratio; thank you for clarifying. But you have yet to cite your source. Again, I would like to check to see what type of study was conducted that yielded the results you claim, and to see what the sample sizes, demographics, and methods used were, etc.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
After all, I don't find unverified conjecture to be a compelling reason to believe a given claim.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
Here is the link:
tinyurl(DOT)com/cvhdt8
Upon reading it a second time, they considered donations to church as charitable donations. Nevertheless, if you subtract the church donations from their total donations, you still end up with a much higher donation-per-person with Christians than with the non-religious.
SlyFox616 2 years ago
"Upon reading it a second time, they considered donations to church as charitable donations. Nevertheless, if you subtract the church donations from their total donations, you still end up with a much higher donation-per-person with Christians than with the non-religious."
Firstly, SlyFox616, you claim that you "[subtracted] the church donations from their total donations," yet this isn't possible.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
The Barna study makes utterly no distinction between donations to non-profit churches and other religious non-profit organizations, and any other non-profit organization, in the areas pertinent to "the non-religious." The terminology used is "all non-profit entities [3]." Based on this study, it is simply not possible to determine whether Christians (even evangelicals) give more to any given type of charity (Ex. aid to reduce starvation in Africa, Asia, etc) than atheists and agnostics do.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
Secondly, although it is a mute point; the study you cited was of "a random sample of 1006 adults selected from across the continental United States [3]." Given that the study you cited was asking something as variable as donation amounts, I hardly find such a sample, yielding a sample of ~40 "atheists and agnostics" (~0.0000033% of the total), to accurately represent the donation habits of ~12,125,851 people [1]. (4% of the "303,146,284" people in the United States, as of January 1, 2008 [2])
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
The study I cited, on the other hand, was of "a representative sample of 35,556 adults living in the continental United States [3]," yielding a sample of ~1422 "atheists and agnostics" (~0.00011% of the total). Not only is that sample is ~33.3 times larger than that of the Barna study, but the U.S. Religious Landscape Survey merely asked which of 35 categories they professed to be in. I find the validity of the Barna study to be comparatively questionable.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
[1]
U.S. Religious Landscape Survey (2008)
Tinyurl(DOT)com/3cxdxb
[2]
Monthly Population Estimates for the United States: April 1, 2000 to November 1, 2008
tinyurl(DOT)com/m2tcc4
[3]
Study by The Barna Group
tinyurl(DOT)com/cvhdt8
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
Mr. Astronomer,
Here is an article by a fellow who has done more research than I and studied philanthropy much more than either of us. He cites over a dozen sources that you can have fun analyzing for statistical relevance.
tinyurl(DOT)com/mp25j8
Is it really so hard to believe that the religious give more to charity than the non-religious...given how deeply tithing, zakat, etc are rooted in their respective faiths?
SlyFox616 2 years ago
According to the Barna study, "Overall, the three segments of the Christian community averaged donations of $1426... Atheists and agnostics provided an average of $467 to all non-profit organizations."
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
According to 'Religion & Philanthropy,' by Thomas Jeavons, "If one combines the gifts made by individuals to other types of institutions with religious roots and characteristics - like some colleges, social service agencies, hospitals, and the like - with gifts to congregations and denominations, it appears that religious causes and activities could be the recipients of as much as two-thirds of charitable donations."
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
One third of $1426 is $475.33. Given the significant margin of error for atheists and agnostics in the Barna study (resulting from the small sample size), this is consistent with atheists and agnostics giving the same amount to non-religious organizations as religious people do.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
Thomas Jeavons' sources do indicate that the more active one is in his or her temple (church, synagogue, mosque, etc), the more likely one is to donate more. But this too is consistent with two thirds of donations going to temples and other religious organizations, and does not indicate that atheists and agnostics donate less to non-religious organizations than religious people do.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"Is it really so hard to believe that the religious give more to charity than the non-religious...given how deeply tithing, zakat, etc are rooted in their respective faiths?"
No, it isn't hard for me to believe, for that very reason (as speculative as it is). But that doesn't mean that it should be believed - it only reaches that status if it has sufficient evidence to support it. Thus far, I do not see sufficient evidence; quite the contrary.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
Mr. Astronomer,
I wouldn't be so quick to discount the donation to religious organizations. The Salvation Army qualifies as one such organization. Furthermore, as Mr. Jarvis mentioned, churches themselves are often the largest sources of donations.
SlyFox616 2 years ago
"I wouldn't be so quick to discount the donation to religious organizations. The Salvation Army qualifies as one such organization."
That is hardly evidence enough to believe the very sweeping claim that atheists donate less to non-religious organizations than religious people do.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"Furthermore, as Mr. Jarvis mentioned, churches themselves are often the largest sources of donations."
If they donate to the church, and then the church donates elsewhere, good on the church for choosing to do so. But that has no bearing on the question of how much individual people donate, themselves.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
There's a big differences from doing something out of your heart, to trying to buy your way into heaven through charity.
GeneticSupremacy 2 years ago 2
Yes, GeneticSupremacy, I would definitely question just how altruistic the reasons for donation are in those who believe it is required of them and/or are part of an institution that pressures them to do so, more than I would an atheist or agnostic, without such command or pressure.
I find the 'Religion & Philanthropy' article, by Thomas Jeavons, to support that when it mentions the relationship between church attendance and donation amount.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
The great irony of this poem is that the faithful donate much, much more to charity than secular folk.
SlyFox616 2 years ago
"The great irony of this poem is that the faithful donate much, much more to charity than secular folk."
SlyFox616, if you mean that the number of people who both profess religious belief and donate to charitable organizations is far greater than the number of those who both profess no religious belief and do so, you are correct.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
However, that is obviously due to there being far more people professing religious belief than those professing no religious belief (source cited below). And if that is what you mean, then it is not ironic.
"Atheist, agnostic, and nothing in particular" represents the professed status of 16.1% of the US population, as of 2007:
tinyurl(DOT)com/d7aosa
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
If, you mean that the ratio of religious who donate to religious who do not donate is greater than the ratio of nonreligious who donate to nonreligious who do not donate, then I hope you won't mind if I ask what your sources are. I would like to check to see what type of study was conducted, what the sample sizes, demographics, and methods used were, etc.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
I mean more than that, Mr. Astronomer.
In the United States, Christians donate over three times as much to charity per person than non-religious folk.
SlyFox616 2 years ago
that is only if you count out atheist like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros and the late Andrew Carnegie...
Makes no difference!!! regardless that xtians donate money or not... does not prove the existence of their version of gods.
lapiz1969 2 years ago
Very moving poetry and images.
Quite sobering even to a hardened jaded Atheist like me.
StevoDog21 2 years ago
The only flaw with this type of video is that the individuals suffering are not going to get any relief from hearing this.
The writer - amateur poet? - uses these emotional topics to justify his/her opinion, but that makes the whole seem more like self-pity. It's like saying "look at all the sorrow... woe is me world"
zzRider 2 years ago
"The only flaw with this type of video is that the individuals suffering are not going to get any relief from hearing this."
That isn't a flaw - a poem or song isn't going to eliminate the sources of suffering in anyone's life. And without such action, the suffering will continue. To expect otherwise is unrealistic.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"The writer - amateur poet? - uses these emotional topics to justify his/her opinion..."
The specific god-concept referenced is properly addressed by pointing out human suffering, as it contains statements on the deitys perception of human suffering.
And he is a country singer. These are the spoken lyrics to one of his songs. I also made a video much like this one, set to this song.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
"...but that makes the whole seem more like self-pity. It's like saying look at all the sorrow... woe is me world'"
No, there is no self-pity. Where does it mention the suffering of the writer? It doesn't. It focuses on the suffering of others. And yes, general human suffering is of great importance to many humans (myself very much induced).
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
If we really did remove all scientific benefits from believers (not that we would), how many would de-convert in 24 hours? How many would be left after a week? And in a month there would be just a tiny percentage still clinging to the books, and THEY would be the only TRUE believers. And they probably didn't use "the machines and medicines" in the first place.
philhellenes 2 years ago 2
Beautiful and chilling all at once. Keep up the good fight, brother.
SynapticChaos 2 years ago 2
Thanks for the poem and the video.
(although the video was tough to watch)
It's easy to understand why people would believe in a god. The suffering in the world is so difficult to accept that there's got to be someone powerful to help ease the pain. People just can't handle it.
So, they pray. Prayer is a way to do nothing but feel like you've accomplished something. It helps them sleep at night hoping that "god" has a plan so they don't have to intervene.
yo1o2eggs 2 years ago
5 stars
nicanicabad 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this.
1:06 That's my favorite pic that I like to bring out when I'm being told God has a plan for me or I can do anything if I just ask God to help me. I can see what God's plan for that little girl was! God has blessed the vulture.
pmarie2003 2 years ago 2
Nice Strawman!!!
If the bible didn't describe all the suffering in the world, your argument might actually hold water.
it really doesn't.
Note: I don't believe in God per se but I think this atheist argument is a bit weak.
truevoiceofsanity 2 years ago
"Nice Strawman!!! If the bible didn't describe all the suffering in the world, your argument might actually hold water. it really doesn't."
What an interesting assumption, and what an odd reaction to poetry, truevoiceofsanity. But perhaps you could elaborate on this argument you assume I'm making, and on how you think it a strawman.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
Thanks for this.
I've never heard this before.
MeIoco 2 years ago
beautifully spoken
Android369 2 years ago
beautiful
bondfrenchbond 2 years ago
and you're defining beauty as...?
mrkurt13 2 years ago
"to be both a tremendously selfish and a quite unreliable method."
The problem is that you're obviously criticizing christianity on emotional grounds.
But furthermore, how would you respond to someone who holds the pragmatic theory of truth or justification?
migkillertwo 2 years ago
"The problem is that you're obviously criticizing christianity on emotional grounds."
If you are implying that showing the proposed creator deity to be apathetic, or even malicious, is not an argument against its existence, then I quite agree. However, doing so does have a strong tendency to make the proposition less appealing.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
And for those who chose which model to believe most accurately reflects reality based how they think it will benefit them, an unappealing model will likely be shunned. Hopefully, from there, they might adopt a less selfish method.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago
Christianity can offer some hope for those who suffer. What does Atheism offer?
migkillertwo 2 years ago
"Christianity can offer some hope for those who suffer. What does Atheism offer?"
Offer, migkillertwo? When you say Christianity (a sentient mind that created reality) or atheism (no such entity) you are referring to models of reality.
I find the method of choosing which model to believe most accurately reflects reality based how you think it will benefit you, rather than whether or not it likely does reflect reality, to be both a tremendously selfish and a quite unreliable one.
SecularAstronomer 2 years ago