CORRECT!!! Jesus was not born on Dec 25!! HOWEVER, Why then do people TODAY celebrate his B-day on Dec 25?? Please don't tell me the nonsense about the Roman Catholics celebrating Pagan holidays only to attract pagans and win them over to Jesus. Thats nonsense
@ctsfinestjon Actually, I've heard the same thing that they chose DEC 25th because it was a Pagan holiday. Is that not true? If not, can you direct me to the proof? Thanks.
@joecane6340 you've clearly misunderstood what i was saying!! Ofcoarse it was pagan. But Christians say that it was nessesary to celebrate Jesus B-day on December 25 in order to attract pagans. But i believe they celebrated it on Dec 25 because they worship the sun god
How obscenely arrogant of you to think that Western views of the world and religion is the "One True" view who the hell knows for sure NOBODY. There are 7 billion people in the world Christians get over yourselves and let people live their lives. Seriously
I'm not sure I understand why Chris White asks for evidence and offers to pay people to provide evidence of Acharya's claims in Zeitgeist. Archarya never intended for her chapter in Zeitgeist to be for scholars. Acharya has written books which do go into detail on sources of her information and I'm sure if she had to provide this via a documentary there would be several documentaries lol
2:59 "if they are wrong the consequences are very dire metaphysically speaking"
realistically speaking you are a lunatic for even believing a book assembled from other books which there are no traces before 300 AD PROVES a person that lived 300 years earlier was the creator of the universe.
Furthermore the "consequences" you speak of only show the CRUELTY of your religion since you believe only members of your religion will be saved and all others will go to hell.
you're saying that they dont have evidence that horus was born on 25th..regardledss of whether he was or wasnt, you're doing the exact same thing believing in jesus chris with absolutely no evidence(and dont say the "bible"). just sit back and think for a second..everything you believe and know is completely you're upbringing. i myself cannot of course say that jesus didnt exist,however i can say that it is extremely improbable.. but of course there is no evidence. just be open-minded and think.
@tobiasravn Doesnt it follow that the creator can do anything with his creation? You're taking soundbites and trying to connect dots that are'nt there. You're misleading-In your words-Nuff said!..lmao pathetic little saying
Even if you put Jesus's birth in September, the idea that Jesus was crucified on the first day and then resurrected on the third day comes from astro-theology. And the Jesus story has a lot of unrealistic elements to it such as Jesus riding into Jerusalem on a donkey and everyone being happy that he was there. Then five days later, they all want to crucify him. If anything, I think that the chief priests would be the ones getting crucified if it were a real historical event.
@LifeIsABigPuzzle Stop being an anti-Christ lemming... The change of events over 5 days (from celebrating His presence versus His punishment / death) seems extreme... A lot of people felt the same way about OJ when he acted the way he did early on... slow police chase and a gun pointed at his head... Ours and Jesus' times are far apart and you expect them to behave just like us... you expect eye witnesses to just whip out documents left and right, knowing "literacy" was still rare in 1800's.
@RayTech70 This reply doesn't make much sense. I believe that people behave similar now to how they did back then only back then, they weren't as civilized as we are now. And I don't think that they still would want to crucify Jesus only five days after they were happy that he came to Jerusalem.
@LifeIsABigPuzzle Okay, so you don't think that if you went to Iran and worked people up until a frenzy to support you in overthrowing the regime that you wouldn't be rounded up and executed? Wow... why don't you just get on a plane then, fly to Iran, and stop this nasty nuclear weapon factory business before it causes a major war... I'm so glad you think that is possible.
@RayTech70 It is unbelievable that the crowd would love him on Sunday and then hate him enough on Friday to want to see him get crucified. Why should they support the chief priests when Jesus was their hero and not them? And I was not saying that I wouldn't get arrested and executed for inciting a revolution in Iran. The crowd's reaction is what is unbelievable and that is why I have a hard time accepting it as history.
@LifeIsABigPuzzle You are missing several points on this: Jesus did not sway 100% of the nation-- if you look, He stuck mainly around the outskirts and the people that celebrated him were those who had witnessed his miracles... Israel at large, however, remained until Jewish law-- it's way things worked back then. Look into this further-- you are treating it like a CNN report which the Bible is not... that's your shortcoming.
@LifeIsABigPuzzle I find it frustrating that atheists (actually anti-theist atheists / anti-Christ atheists particularly) seem to expect God to fit "their picture" of morality when they don't even know what society was like for the people back then. Don't you think Obama might be "booted from the country" if he were to ransack Congress and bitch them out and survive without being impeached? Religion was the law of the land back then and storming the temple and claiming to be God was appalling.
I heard ZERO PROOF. Question "December 25th date?"
I heard - "its been censored, but I dug it up." OK, what did you dig up? Which Source did you dig up? What did it say? Where can I read it? And if you can't produce the evidence because its destroyed how do you know? Your making shit up based on a hieroglyph? Thats it? Thats the big evidence? Thats just a story you made up to support your case! How does that relate to Horus? What a load of bunk. Christianity is a different fairytal
@boblafro oh so youre version of living in nature is the venus project???? a society run by artificial inteligence, a "resource" based economy , who be the lucky few that wil be in charge of that distribution i wonder. im not a christian , and this issue isnot about god, its about truth , just take 30 min out of youre day to check out some of the claims that peter joseph makes in the zeitgeist, start by finding out i mythras had a virgin birth ore if anyone other than jesus was crucified.
Ok, someone tell me that the Federal Reserve is good. That wars actually create peace. That continuing to use oil is good in the long run. That money doesn't create classes and it is instead human laziness. Whether or not Jesus existed doesn't matter next to these issues.
@tgt305 non of that stuff is good ore defendable , and absoultely must be changed , how ever this does not prove anything that zeitgeist says about anything. the way mony is manipulated today doesent do justicie to what we would consider a "free market" so changing the system does not mean changing that part , just geting it work properly , as it should work , zeitgeist might of woken you up to certain things , but there is alot more waking up to do , do some more research! thank you 4 ur time
Rofl you fail to see the point.....Zeitgeist is not about religion. Its about dishonesty in the world. suppression of free will. and wy we (need) the current financial system. im not gonne spend any more time on this video
@notjam3 Also, who ever said Zeitgeist was in the business of "destroying religions"? Instead, it promotes RBE, REGARDLESS of religion. Just because Peter Joseph disagrees with religious dogma, it doesn't mean the entire movement does. That's a huge assumption.
@notjam3 Don't be ridiculous. Religion is the ultimate tool of the illuminati, because it creates fear and obedience. It's is the perfect method of controlling large populations! Don't listen to this guy. He is probably one of them!
The egyptians deified the sun as a trinity of gods -- Osiris, the Father, Horus, the Son, and Ra, the Highest Sun -- each corresponding to at least one of the sun's 3 key positions throughout the day. Osiris represented the *setting* sun, and is reborn as horus, the *rising* sun. Ra, who alone represented the *mid-day* sun completes the trinity as "Ra-Horakty" (translates to "Ra who is Horus of the Two Horizons") the conflation of all three gods and positions of the sun.
1941b "this hour of the morning, of this ---THIRD DAY ----, is come, when thou surely passet on to heaven, together with the stars, the imperishable star"
According to the Ikhernofret Stela (2000 BC) by Richard H. Wilkinson, Osiris' Death and Resurrection was celebrated in a 5 day festival known as the "Passion Plays". He is entombed on the 2nd day, and remains so until the 4th day (3 DAYS) Afterwards, on the 5th day, he is reborn AT DAWN.
This is why Horus represented the sun's *rising* position, whereas Osiris represented the sun's *setting* position; Horus is symbolic of Osiris' resurrection/rebirth.
Second Story of Khamuas Con't: ..."Now when the boy Si-Osiris (son of Osiris) had attained 12 years it came to pass that there was no [good scribe or learned man] that rivalled him in reading and writing that compels."
The problem with Zeitgeist's depiction of Christianity isn't that it's not true, but that it's not the whole truth. Just because one interpretation of the symbols fits, doesn't exclude other interpretations from also fitting. The failure to see this is something which the Zeitgeist film and those who attempt to debunk it have in common. Cultures can appropriate myths w/o "stealing" them. Christ's reality can be figurative, not literal, and yet no less real. "Who has ears to hear, let them hear."
mm nice video. i dont really trust peter joseph. because if somebody starts to tell you that god does not exist. is a person that you dont follow..i am not a religous man. but i believe in god. and everybody has the right to believe or pray in anyway they want.
if he is saying that not believeing in god is better for the future thats not true.. because at the end it is all energy an spirituallity and balance.
@boblafro Why don't you say the same thing Acharya S. and what's his name!!? And why do you all always stoop to name calling?! Zeitgeist needed to be debunked so their lies wouldn't be propagated...
I am follower of the Zeitgeist Movement. I just personally don't listen to that part on Religion and stick with the other philisophical points because I am a Christian. Most of it is great thinking and has great points. The views on the banking system for one. In my opinion if someone blindly follows everything that one man says. I think they need to start thinking for themselves. All of your experiences in life need to make up your beliefs not just one man's movie.
Frankly, I think this is well done, and you actually hear things from the "horse's mouth" so to speak. Not only that, but you're frank and honest with the fact that you have done some video cutting, offered a link to the interview in full and are truthful with your religious background, and not putting on airs.
I have no idea why you are getting so much hate. Ah well. I for one enjoyed this, and I encourage you to keep doing what you're doing!
People will believe what they want to believe. People wanted no God and Jesus, so....Zeitgeist says there's no God or Jesus. Give people what they want. Sheep are sheep. No matter what side of the fence they're on.
I never laughed so hard at a video before. At the end I was like; "So this guy is SERIOUS??? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"
Wow! Zeitgeist moving forward explains in detail with phd professors and numerous resources and technical standpoints on how our earth is going to shit and how we can move in a more sane direction, and this cat brings magical tales from a book to try to somehow PROVE IT ALL WRONG??? HAHAHAHA!!!
You make me wanna go to church again....just for the lulz....
Yah, the Jesus story is very believable. He was murdered, stuck in a cave for 3 days, then came back to life. After 40 days he ascended to heaven in the presence of the 11 Apostles. That's gotta be true
@Someideasandstuff Just because the miracle of a resurrection seems pretty impossible, it doesn't mean that Jesus didn't exist as a historical figure. That's the claim Zeitgeist makes, and it's a very false claim at that.
@boblafro whoa ! Be fair and don't be worked up, that's what Zeitgeist is all about. This video was right on, it was peacefully showing that Peter Joseph and Acharya did not properly answer these questions, and these were legitimate questions. The films made some good points, but a lot of the "Facts" about Jesus were entirely off...
YOU IDIOTS believe anyone in this so called truth movement...THE devil will mimic christ and you fools will be decieved like your wicked hearts desire.
@Drebln893 ZG and TVP don't represent the Truth Movement. They used some truth about 9/11 and Federal Reserve fraud to throw in this garbage. Mostly everyone I know believes that 9/11=inside job, the Fed is robbing us through inflation, but very few of us believe the bs about Christianity in the 1st part. I will be the 1st to admit that ORGANIZED RELIGION is garbage however FAITH is very real. TVP is laughable and a scam. We gotta remove the NWO before we dream of utopias,PJ, JF are shills!
The Book of Gates Chapter 3 also states that these 12 worshippers of Ra/Horus who spread Truth upon Earth on his behalf, ALSO drove away (exorcised) unclean spirits: "They who spoke words of power against Apep (and unclean evil spirit)"
jesus' 12 followers are referred to as "apostles". An apostle is one sent forth as a messenger; one SPREADING TRUTH. According to Matthew 10:1, jesus' apostles also drove away (exorcised) unclean evil spirits
The Book of Gates Chapter 3 also states that these 12 worshippers of Ra/Horus who spread Truth upon Earth on his behalf, ALSO drove away (exorcised) unclean spirits: "They who spoke words of power against Apep (and unclean evil spirit)"
jesus' 12 followers are referred to as "apostles". An apostle is one sent forth as a messenger; one SPREADING TRUTH. According to Matthew 10:1, jesus' apostles also drove away (exorcised) unclean evil spirits
Note: Ra was a solar deity representing the sun's *mid-day* position while Horus represented the sun's *rising* position. By the time of the Book of Gates, Ra had already been merged with Horus to represent all positions.
The Book of Gates states: "The 12 worshippers of Ra/Horus who are at peace..They who praised Ra/Horus upon Earth...they who spoke Truth upon Earth (on Ra/Horus'behalf)"
Note: Ra was a solar deity representing the sun's *mid-day* position while Horus represented the sun's *rising* position. By the time of the Book of Gates, Ra had already been merged with Horus to represent all positions.
The Book of Gates states: "The 12 worshippers of Ra/Horus who are at peace..They who praised Ra/Horus upon Earth...they who spoke Truth upon Earth (on Ra/Horus'behalf)"
Note: Ra was a solar deity representing the sun's *mid-day* position while Horus represented the sun's *rising* position. By the time of the Book of Gates, Ra had already been merged with Horus to represent all positions.
The Book of Gates states: "The 12 worshippers of Ra/Horus who are at peace..They who praised Ra/Horus upon Earth...they who spoke Truth upon Earth (on Ra/Horus'behalf)"
It is a widely known fact that the greek religion is but a mirror of the egyptian religion e.g Dionysis is actually Osiris , Typhon is actually Set, Mercury is actually Thoth, etc. With that said, the glyph for Virgo is a Virgin holding WHEAT (Bread) and CORN (Spica), as Virgo is the constellation of HARVEST, and this is how the Egyptians depicted Isis:
Lady of Green Crops, Lady of Bread, Lady of Abundance..." Egyptian Book of the Dead Con't
1. In a text in the Abydos Temple of Seti I, Isis herself declares:
"I am the great VIRGIN"
2. Found among the glyphs of Denderah, are glyphs depicting the sex between Isis and Osiris. The glyphs show Isis sending out her Bah (spirit), Sothis or Sirius (a hawk), the hawk being seated and inseminated on Osiris' phallus, and then returning back to Isis. The sex between Isis and Osiris was non-physical, therefore leaving her virginity intact.
According to the Ikhernofret Stela (2000BC), Osiris' Death and Resurrection was celebrated in a 5 day festival known as the "Passion Plays". He is entombed on the 2nd day, and remains so until the 4th day (3 DAYS). Afterwards on the 5th day he is reborn at DAWN.
This is why Horus represented the sun's rising position, whereas Osiris represented the sun's *setting*position; Horus is symbolic of Osiris' rebirth /resurrection at DAWN
"Aruru thorugh of Anu. Then she wet her creative fingers, FASHIONED A ROCK, and tossed it as far as she could into the woods. Thus she FATHERED Enkidu."
[Epic of Gilgamesh 2150 BC-2000BC]
This is why Mithra is called "Theos ek Petras" or "God from the Rock" -- he is another version of Enkidu was born from the rock that the Virgin Aruru created
"Aruru thorugh of Anu. Then she wet her creative fingers, FASHIONED A ROCK, and tossed it as far as she could into the woods. Thus she FATHERED Enkidu."
[Epic of Gilgamesh 2150 BC-2000BC]
This is why Mithra is called "Theos ek Petras" or "God from the Rock" -- he is another version of Enkidu was born from the rock that the Virgin Aruru created
Note: Again, in the Book of Gates Ra is Ra-Horakty (Ra who is Horus of the two Horizons: the sun travelling from one horizon to the other.)
The 12 gods say unto Ra/Horus: --"Immerse thyself, O Ra, in the Holy Lake, whereing the lord of the gods immersed himself, whereunto the sould of the dead approach not; this is what thou thyself hast commanded, O KHUTI. "Thier food CONSISTETH BREAD... thier vessels are FILLED WITH WINE.
people who believe all this zeitgeist b.s. are just as stupid as religious folks. they need to know that there is someone in control even if it's nwo instead of god. people can't cope with a random and chaotic universe. noone is in control and noone knows what the hell is going on. just keep lying to yourselves if it makes you feel better.
all you people go off on with TZM is that Peter Joseph explained the fact that Christianity and the image of Jesus was indeed apart of Pagan worship of the sun. THIS IS FACT! btw, Peter Joseph is not the first to say this, there are numerous historians that have said this way before the movie Zeitgeist even began. If you don't believe me, just look at the holiday of Christmas, Christmas is a pagan tradition when on Dec. 25th the ancients would exchange gifts to one another.
I am a Christian. God condemns Usury. God is against debt. God condemns theft. God condemns killing, All of these things cause suffering and all of these things are promoted and practiced by every country which is involved in fractional reserve banking. I disagree with zeitgeist on its views on Christianity, but if you dipshit people could just come together on the fact that we must end our corrupt monetary system, we would ALL be better off. This is the most important point in zeitgeist!
I will settle this dispute. The Venus Project will Deep 666 the Internet or I will DTMF signal their central computer to overload their project's high tech batteries that have been withheld from the general public's use. Youtube search " Zeitgeist Jedi Nite - Destroying the Monetary System NOW! "
As for the Romans allowing the christians to destroy papers... That's a strawman argument and a conscious one - because for sure the poster has heard of the Crusades, the Inquisition, The genocide of native tribes... Man, this 'debunker' is terrible.
@rarosera I was being generous. Allow me to be more explicit, then. You are not using "Strawman argument" in the right context. Therefore, you either made a mental mistake, or you do not know what it means. You are wrong. Better?
@infernocanuck Forgive me for being direct, but you do not understand so I will explain. Strawman argument; "an argument or opponent set up so as to be easily refuted or defeated." In this case the strawman argument is that the Romans would not have allowed 'criminalized' christians to destroy pagan records, where the premise stated that the Holy Inquisition DID destroy such records. Ergo, the former was a strawman argument.
@rarosera You say "The Romans would not have allowed Christians to destroy pagan records" is the Strawman? What about that statement is easy to refute or defeat? How would defeating that -help- the poster's overall premise? If the poster is "setting up a strawman" he would then have to argue against that statement and then come to a conclusion that contradicts what he originally stated. He is not doing that at all, so I reaffirm my statement you are using the term "Strawman" improperly.
@infernocanuck "You say "The Romans would not have allowed Christians to destroy pagan records" is the Strawman? What about that statement is easy to refute or defeat?" Wow... Really? Are you REALLY asking that? Well, the whole premise is easy to refute, hence why I said it was a strawman argument. Are you The Black Knight from Monty Python's 'Search for the Holy Grail?' You ignore this point; the premise was that the Inquisition destroyed the papers, not Christians in Rome. cont...
@rarosera This is a severe waste of my time, but I'll spell it out for you, since you still don't get it. You could have just said "But the Christians did end up destroying pagan records centuries later after the Roman Empire fell" And that would have been the end of it. But wanting to sound smart, you claim "Romans not allowing Christians to destroy pagan records" was a strawman argument made by the poster. That is wrong. You are wrong. I am done. Please take a Logic 101 class. Goodbye
@infernocanuck cont... As the poster can't refute the inquisitions destruction of pagan records he builds the strawman 'Peter Joseph and Acharya S say that the christians in the days of Rome destroyed pagan records' which he then points out as being extremely unlikely aswell as completely absurd. Now you can continue arguing but that doesn't alter the fact that this is exactly what the poster has done and that this is what is commonly known as a strawman argument. QED.
The money made by PJ and Acharya S is nothing compared with what the Vatican makes from their inhuman fraud. This is not because god is on the side of the Vatican and it's paedophiles, but because the church is so completely coercive. "Believe what we tell you to believe or you will burn in Hell."
@rarosera "Believe what we tell you to believe or you will burn in Hell." i agree that the Church, the Vatican, is like that, only, & w/ no offense intended, is not that 'philosophy' or 'idea(l)' based primarily from the bible itself?
creator is so busy that he put jesus at the prayer center to listen to us pray. none of us have ANY credible evidence of anything to study. so drop the study shit. reading material is made by the highest payer. pray to creator and ask what to belive while you got creators attention. and ask if you need a building full of symbolism to better contact. answers will come with or without books, buildings, and a bunch of arguing
She mentions the Inquisition Chris, not during the Roman domination in which Christians were killed. Your refutation that how could Christians destroy papers while Romans were persecuting them. Spanish Inquisition very different than Roman empire
How could anyone see that section and not think "Wow, these guys are full of crap?" Don't attack me for "defending Christianity," being "set in my mindset,"or "refusing to think about it" or something equally no foolish. I'm not. I have done this every single time I have seen this movie. I am attacking the HORRIBLE misinformation. Trying to listen to anything after that rush of lies is like trying to take someone seriously after they spent 10+ min saying craters on the moon came from the Flood.
Alright, not gonna look through all the pages of comments, just gonna say my piece. If it's been said before, I don't care. To everyone who supports the movie Zeitgeist, why? Seriously. I don't care what message they have after the part about the myths. It could be the most profound work ever put to YouTube. However, no one should get past the myths. You should stop the movie, seeing just how horribly lie filled this tripe is, and not take any of it seriously. It's like a 10+ minute Chick tract.
@Siashi Jack Chick combines horrible animations with a heavy-handed, insulting and ignorant Christian Evangelic message. The creator of this video offered a challenge to the makers and historians of Zeitgeist to confirm and explain their claims, and posted commentary alongside audio of the two trying (and failing) to do just that. I don't see how this is a Chick tract at all. I think you're just ignorant.
@infernocanuck Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant the original Zeitgeist movie. I was explaining my feelings when watching the original film's section on myths. THAT is what I was comparing to Chick, I think this debunking is fine, from what I remember. Haven't seen it in two months though.
@Siashi Ah, well then, my apologies for being so hasty, and calling you ignorant! What I posted was quite rude, and I appreciate your calm response. I don't think I would have been so generous if I was in your shoes! :D
@infernocanuck Eh, it's fine. Mistakes happen. But.. if I got upset at every rude comment I got/saw on YouTube... well.. I would be a much more offended person.
@Siashi Ah, well then, my apologies for being so hasty, and calling you ignorant! What I posted was quite rude, and I appreciate your calm response. I don't think I would have been so generous if I was in your shoes! :D
Study the history of the Holy Roman Empire! From Constantine acting as Editor & Chief for the New Testament, to the Inquisition, Conquest of the Americas, Crusades, it has all been about domination and control. All other Christian branches are from this core including the King James version. Those texts that were left out were found in Qumran at the Essene community near the Dead Sea. The doctrines preached by Jesus existed long before he did! Also read the Coptic or Gnostic Nag Hamadi text
and there are literally hundreds upon hundreds of histories of religion and the church and just general cultural histories of the ancient egyptian world thru the rise of the Roman Christianity from other sources than these two who made this film. if you don't like them read other more serious academics. Read Joseph Campbell's Masks Of God series or just the book on Occidental Mythology. Campbell is the single most respected authority and academic on comparative religion.
commonalities amongst myth traditions is GLOBAL because they all seek to answer similar questions. i suppose that the flood and story in the Epic of Gilgamesh that predates the Noah Flood story by a few hundred years is just a "coincidence"?
i suggest that people read Joseph Campbell one of the worlds most respected authorities on comparative religion if you really want to understand how myth is created and evolves.
i don't know how accuate or innacurate every claim in Zeitgeist is. but i do know one thing, i have an advanced degree in Medieval Studies which is in fact mostly a study of the history of the Catholic Church since it was the major influence during the whole period. there is ZERO doubt that the rise of Judaism and subsequently Christianty is nothing more than an evolution of earlier beliefs in the region. both Egyptian and Helenistic. this is a historical FACT.
hey man you sayed it youre self , christianity as we know it isent christian , its roman , i mean catholoscism of course and all of tis branches. yet this has nothing to do wht jesus . jesus message was hijacked ,this has always been pretty clear to me. but the claims they make at the beggining , they are so fake , why lie , wy not use the truth religion has done enough true things to discredit itself . this is DESINFORMATION, externalazation of the hierachy.
so am i going to hell,to burn and burn and burn and burn and burn and burn etc etc, you cannot really believe that rubbish..... there is nothing wrong with going to church,singing etc... my local church is quite and peaceful,i take my dog through there quite often.... but to believe in god is just plain stupid....
I am fully on board for the Zeitgeist movement, but... I wanted my girlfriend to take a look at the films and when she did, she was so turned off by the inaccuracies of the part about religion in Zeitgeist 1, that she refuses to give any more attention to the movement as a whole and will not watch Addendum, which is what I really wanted her to see. Now I've come to see that part of the film as the black sheep of Zeitgeist, and am wary to recommend the film to anyone now because of that :(
why do they keep talking about the winter solstice, december 25th? What does this have to do with Christianity? What does this have to do with the birth of Yahushua? ???????????????????
I call this a big Red Herring of Acharya S
Oh my my, and then there's a big CONSPIRACY. The Encyclopaedia Brittanica is concealing information about the truth. I can't live that paranoid.
It's hilarious how this idiot is so good at creating red herrings to try to debunk truth, The fact remains that Jesus birth is celebrated on the 25th because the church, like every other religion throughout time has combined ideas from other religions in order to keep people in the pews. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MOVIE! ALL religions have stolen ideas from others which came before and then claimed to be unique, and to have THE holy book. Christians are gullible fools,
@MrTruthAddict your calling people when u dont no the whole story? your a MORON
were you a witch ?? no i was , you know that ufos are spirts? no i dont think you do , theres alot more that u dont know , you even told us to read Paul Johnson's "A History of Christianity" hello the guys a mason hes dissinfo! god wouldnt let the church change everything said in the bible.
It's fascinating how Christian Chris White can be so scholarly and precise in dissecting the Zeitgeist explanation of "what is" , but will establish his beliefs upon a centuries old book that is full of myth and half truths , and totally debunkable !
@ 3.15: you assume they both make money off their ideas.
Disappointing claim. Peter Joseph only loses money from his efforts, and originally had no intent of release this movie commercially (which is retailed for $5US)
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For all those people who believe that the info in zeitgeist is unsupported by facts, I urge you to visit the official youtube "Zeitgeist Movie" channel. Not only do they have a 2010 release of zeitgeist but they also include in the description a link for a free downloadable pdf that is a complete source book. It covers all 3 parts of the first zeitgeist movie. If you really care about the sources and facts of where zeitgeist has got their information from, download the pdf and see for yourself.
For all those people who believe that the info in zeitgeist is unsupported by facts, I urge you to visit the official youtube "Zeitgeist Movie" channel. Not only do they have a 2010 release of zeitgeist but they also include in the description a link for a free downloadable pdf that is a complete source book. It covers all 3 parts of the first zeitgeist movie. If you really care about the sources and facts of where zeitgeist has got their information from, download the pdf and see for yourself.
thanks for the truth shared...this will truly strengthened our faith being a christian. yah its true that the luciferians are now doing their best to mislead the world and force it to worship lucifer!
NO WAY! Jesus is the worthy name to be bowed down.
Christian conspiracy? The Christian church absolutely destroyed the writings of other religions! They destroyed writings by CHRISTIANS which they thought were heretical! THAT is a given! She actually DID learn how to read hieroglyphics.
You Christians are so intellectually dishonest, it's disgusting. Anything to cling on to your precious fairy tale.
@MrTruthAddict edit you mean catholic church hello the catholic pagan whore of babylon like the bible calls it is against got ffs they murder christians for 1000s of years and called they witchs.
@truthteller656 uh, yeah, guess what. That book youre reading that you think is gods word? It was edited, interpolated, and manipulated for political reasons for hundreds of years by that "cult." I always thought it was hilarious that you idiots think the catholic church is a cult but you believe THEIR book! LOL, you people are morons!
@MrTruthAddict So Christians BACK THEN knew how to read hieroglyphics because the female author did? You should learn listening skills instead of getting so emotional about it. If all the info was "destroyed" then where did she get it? That she never mentions. anything to cling to your little fairy tale too lol. still searching myself but if someone can't give me sources I'm not to quick to trust their claims.Especially when they dont expose lucifarian ideology, or it's connection with the UN
@william0873 WOW! How you got "Christians BACK THEN knew how to read hieroglyphics" out of my statement is utterly amazing. I can see why you think a book of fairy tales from the bronze age might be true. Wow, just wow.
Luciferian ideology and the UN? Really? LOL, you're cuckoo
@MrTruthAddict look it up instead of imitating an ostrich, it's on record about the UN. Yes I understand that Mithralism corrupted the catholic church but hopefully even you know that isn't the only form of Chrstianity. There's Orthodox n even a few real protestant churches left which the female in the vid doesnt discuss. She fails to "debunk" Muslim beliefs also. Who the hell said I believe everything added to the Bible anyway? It's been corrupted just like most other things in this world
haha, I just realized where you got the idea. You heard the idiot in the video try to use that as a reason not to believe Zeitgeist, LOL. Do you idiots ever have original ideas? Read Paul Johnson's "A History of Christianity" and you will find that the Egyptian culture had a huge influence on the Roman empire and the way Christianity was practiced during the time of Constantine. He himself worshiped Mithra, a sun god. Jesus and Mithra were so similar it was easy to combine the two.
It would be nice if you provided a frame of reference for what the movie claims about Jesus for those you haven't seen it so we could understand the argument here.
You're debunking nothing. They form there opinions through logic and yours through faith. "Dire metsaphisical consequences if they're wrong" Give me a break. You're obviosly terrified of dying so you make these videos to clasp on to your childish beliefs. So maybe they haven't complete concrete evidence to convince you to let go of your absurd historical view but it sure makes a lot more logical sense. Liberate youselves from religious prison.
@petepamf So true. I mean let's be serious people, what kind of LOVING God would cast his creation in eternal fire for eternal pain an anguish as a punishment for their sins. Let's use our brains here, would you do that to your children for breaking some rules that you put in place? If your answer is yes, then you are one hateful and sick Sadomasochism.
@petepamf Now there... be fair... this is off topic. They're debunking them because the claims in the movie about Jesus and the other religions comparisons were completely off... that's just factually where that stands...
@petepamf Not to pick on you but the "Semantics" still don't add up, Zeitgeist was just way off with their religion comparisons and symbolism, it just completely made it up and it's much more obvious then the scripture being completely made up... :/
His point is that they cannot reasonably argue that people are naturally defensive of their worldview without admitting that they are also naturally defensive of their own worldview.
I was looking forward to some real evidence that can really disprove Zeit Giest however was let down tremdously by this video read ancient sumerian translations you will find lots of parallels refering to the old testimate also the book of Enoch which was considered scripture until it clashed with the Christian faith they sought to create by taking the actual story of jusus and borrowing from pagan beliefs in order to bring more people to the new religion. says Paul in The secret Bible
I was looking forward to some real evidence that can really disprove Zeit Giest however was let down tremdously by this video read ancient sumerian translations you will find lots of parallels refering to the old testimate also the book of Enoch which was considered scripture until it clashed with the Christian faith they sought to create by taking the actual story of jusus and borrowing from pagan beliefs in order to bring more people to this religion. THE SECRET BIBLE the Davinci code
ha...hahahaAHHAHAHAHAHAH
MrSkate4weed 3 days ago
CORRECT!!! Jesus was not born on Dec 25!! HOWEVER, Why then do people TODAY celebrate his B-day on Dec 25?? Please don't tell me the nonsense about the Roman Catholics celebrating Pagan holidays only to attract pagans and win them over to Jesus. Thats nonsense
ctsfinestjon 1 month ago
@ctsfinestjon Actually, I've heard the same thing that they chose DEC 25th because it was a Pagan holiday. Is that not true? If not, can you direct me to the proof? Thanks.
joecane6340 2 weeks ago
@joecane6340 you've clearly misunderstood what i was saying!! Ofcoarse it was pagan. But Christians say that it was nessesary to celebrate Jesus B-day on December 25 in order to attract pagans. But i believe they celebrated it on Dec 25 because they worship the sun god
ctsfinestjon 2 weeks ago
@ctsfinestjon I'm sorry. I did misunderstand.
joecane6340 2 weeks ago
How obscenely arrogant of you to think that Western views of the world and religion is the "One True" view who the hell knows for sure NOBODY. There are 7 billion people in the world Christians get over yourselves and let people live their lives. Seriously
Chanellrenae 1 month ago
I'm not sure I understand why Chris White asks for evidence and offers to pay people to provide evidence of Acharya's claims in Zeitgeist. Archarya never intended for her chapter in Zeitgeist to be for scholars. Acharya has written books which do go into detail on sources of her information and I'm sure if she had to provide this via a documentary there would be several documentaries lol
Werelizzard 1 month ago
2:59 "if they are wrong the consequences are very dire metaphysically speaking"
realistically speaking you are a lunatic for even believing a book assembled from other books which there are no traces before 300 AD PROVES a person that lived 300 years earlier was the creator of the universe.
Furthermore the "consequences" you speak of only show the CRUELTY of your religion since you believe only members of your religion will be saved and all others will go to hell.
where will u run now?
Samura1gamer 1 month ago
you're saying that they dont have evidence that horus was born on 25th..regardledss of whether he was or wasnt, you're doing the exact same thing believing in jesus chris with absolutely no evidence(and dont say the "bible"). just sit back and think for a second..everything you believe and know is completely you're upbringing. i myself cannot of course say that jesus didnt exist,however i can say that it is extremely improbable.. but of course there is no evidence. just be open-minded and think.
Noogaiii 2 months ago
This guy belives christ walked on the water.... Nuff said.
tobiasravn 3 months ago
@tobiasravn Doesnt it follow that the creator can do anything with his creation? You're taking soundbites and trying to connect dots that are'nt there. You're misleading-In your words-Nuff said!..lmao pathetic little saying
FlashmoreGash 3 months ago
Here u go
/watch?v=xIJAuuntD84
tobiasravn 3 months ago
Even if you put Jesus's birth in September, the idea that Jesus was crucified on the first day and then resurrected on the third day comes from astro-theology. And the Jesus story has a lot of unrealistic elements to it such as Jesus riding into Jerusalem on a donkey and everyone being happy that he was there. Then five days later, they all want to crucify him. If anything, I think that the chief priests would be the ones getting crucified if it were a real historical event.
LifeIsABigPuzzle 4 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle Stop being an anti-Christ lemming... The change of events over 5 days (from celebrating His presence versus His punishment / death) seems extreme... A lot of people felt the same way about OJ when he acted the way he did early on... slow police chase and a gun pointed at his head... Ours and Jesus' times are far apart and you expect them to behave just like us... you expect eye witnesses to just whip out documents left and right, knowing "literacy" was still rare in 1800's.
RayTech70 4 months ago
@RayTech70 This reply doesn't make much sense. I believe that people behave similar now to how they did back then only back then, they weren't as civilized as we are now. And I don't think that they still would want to crucify Jesus only five days after they were happy that he came to Jerusalem.
LifeIsABigPuzzle 4 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle Okay, so you don't think that if you went to Iran and worked people up until a frenzy to support you in overthrowing the regime that you wouldn't be rounded up and executed? Wow... why don't you just get on a plane then, fly to Iran, and stop this nasty nuclear weapon factory business before it causes a major war... I'm so glad you think that is possible.
RayTech70 4 months ago
@RayTech70 It is unbelievable that the crowd would love him on Sunday and then hate him enough on Friday to want to see him get crucified. Why should they support the chief priests when Jesus was their hero and not them? And I was not saying that I wouldn't get arrested and executed for inciting a revolution in Iran. The crowd's reaction is what is unbelievable and that is why I have a hard time accepting it as history.
LifeIsABigPuzzle 4 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle You are missing several points on this: Jesus did not sway 100% of the nation-- if you look, He stuck mainly around the outskirts and the people that celebrated him were those who had witnessed his miracles... Israel at large, however, remained until Jewish law-- it's way things worked back then. Look into this further-- you are treating it like a CNN report which the Bible is not... that's your shortcoming.
RayTech70 4 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle I find it frustrating that atheists (actually anti-theist atheists / anti-Christ atheists particularly) seem to expect God to fit "their picture" of morality when they don't even know what society was like for the people back then. Don't you think Obama might be "booted from the country" if he were to ransack Congress and bitch them out and survive without being impeached? Religion was the law of the land back then and storming the temple and claiming to be God was appalling.
RayTech70 4 months ago
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I heard ZERO PROOF. Question "December 25th date?"
I heard - "its been censored, but I dug it up." OK, what did you dig up? Which Source did you dig up? What did it say? Where can I read it? And if you can't produce the evidence because its destroyed how do you know? Your making shit up based on a hieroglyph? Thats it? Thats the big evidence? Thats just a story you made up to support your case! How does that relate to Horus? What a load of bunk. Christianity is a different fairytal
LookEvenDeeper 4 months ago
elliot nesch is a bitch.
TruthTheSpeaker 4 months ago
@boblafro oh so youre version of living in nature is the venus project???? a society run by artificial inteligence, a "resource" based economy , who be the lucky few that wil be in charge of that distribution i wonder. im not a christian , and this issue isnot about god, its about truth , just take 30 min out of youre day to check out some of the claims that peter joseph makes in the zeitgeist, start by finding out i mythras had a virgin birth ore if anyone other than jesus was crucified.
matanga69 5 months ago
Ok, someone tell me that the Federal Reserve is good. That wars actually create peace. That continuing to use oil is good in the long run. That money doesn't create classes and it is instead human laziness. Whether or not Jesus existed doesn't matter next to these issues.
tgt305 5 months ago
@tgt305 non of that stuff is good ore defendable , and absoultely must be changed , how ever this does not prove anything that zeitgeist says about anything. the way mony is manipulated today doesent do justicie to what we would consider a "free market" so changing the system does not mean changing that part , just geting it work properly , as it should work , zeitgeist might of woken you up to certain things , but there is alot more waking up to do , do some more research! thank you 4 ur time
matanga69 5 months ago
u mad cause of the mistakes in religious part? oh my.
Realjhad 5 months ago
Rofl you fail to see the point.....Zeitgeist is not about religion. Its about dishonesty in the world. suppression of free will. and wy we (need) the current financial system. im not gonne spend any more time on this video
Crafsmen 5 months ago 2
@Crafsmen that is also the illuminati goal , to destroy the religions , currencies, and gov.s, of the world , to bring about a "nwo"
search for: Zeitgeist addendum is NWO propaganda
search for : 2012 Enlightenment & the World Genocide
search for: Satanic Priest Explains Pop Culture Brainwash
search for: They are Misleading You
search for: Mystery Schools - The Externalization of the Hierarchy
search for: David Icke Debunked
search for : 911:Masonic media agents
notjam3 5 months ago
@notjam3 You have no idea what your talking about. Why would the illumanati want to get rid of a system that takes freedom/power away?
AnimusSolis 5 months ago
@notjam3 Also, who ever said Zeitgeist was in the business of "destroying religions"? Instead, it promotes RBE, REGARDLESS of religion. Just because Peter Joseph disagrees with religious dogma, it doesn't mean the entire movement does. That's a huge assumption.
AnimusSolis 5 months ago
@notjam3 Don't be ridiculous. Religion is the ultimate tool of the illuminati, because it creates fear and obedience. It's is the perfect method of controlling large populations! Don't listen to this guy. He is probably one of them!
FoxOutsideBox 3 months ago
Horus: Anointed One Con't (1)
Utterance 576
1505.a "He is thy see, Osiris, the pointed
In his name of "Horus of the great green"; "Horus of the chief of spirits".
1511a. "He ANOINTS himself with the best ointment'
SoulsOfThePure 6 months ago
Horus: Anointed One
Pyramid Texts Utterance 77
52a. Oil Oil arise open thou; (thou) who art on the forehead of Horus, arise, open thou.
52b. Thou who art on the forehead of Horus, put thyself on the forehead of this N. (pharoah)
52.c Make him sweet with thyself (PERFUMED OIL); glorify him with thyself
SoulsOfThePure 6 months ago
Horus: Trinity
The egyptians deified the sun as a trinity of gods -- Osiris, the Father, Horus, the Son, and Ra, the Highest Sun -- each corresponding to at least one of the sun's 3 key positions throughout the day. Osiris represented the *setting* sun, and is reborn as horus, the *rising* sun. Ra, who alone represented the *mid-day* sun completes the trinity as "Ra-Horakty" (translates to "Ra who is Horus of the Two Horizons") the conflation of all three gods and positions of the sun.
SoulsOfThePure 6 months ago
Utterance 556
1382f "this hour of the ---THIRD DAY--- comes, where the father Osiris will be reborn as horus, at the place where the gods are born..."
SoulsOfThePure 6 months ago
Horus: 3 Day Death and Resurrection Con't (1)
Pyramid Texts Utterance 667
1941b "this hour of the morning, of this ---THIRD DAY ----, is come, when thou surely passet on to heaven, together with the stars, the imperishable star"
SoulsOfThePure 6 months ago
According to the Ikhernofret Stela (2000 BC) by Richard H. Wilkinson, Osiris' Death and Resurrection was celebrated in a 5 day festival known as the "Passion Plays". He is entombed on the 2nd day, and remains so until the 4th day (3 DAYS) Afterwards, on the 5th day, he is reborn AT DAWN.
This is why Horus represented the sun's *rising* position, whereas Osiris represented the sun's *setting* position; Horus is symbolic of Osiris' resurrection/rebirth.
SoulsOfThePure 6 months ago
Horus: Walking on Water
In two official translations of the Pyramid Texts Horus is said to have walked on water or is referred to as "LAKE STRIDER"
The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts, James P. Allen 118, 154
The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts, R. O. Faulkner Pg 192
Horus: 3 Day Death and Resurrection
SoulsOfThePure 6 months ago
Horus: Teacher at Age 12 Con't (1)
Second Story of Khamuas Con't: ..."Now when the boy Si-Osiris (son of Osiris) had attained 12 years it came to pass that there was no [good scribe or learned man] that rivalled him in reading and writing that compels."
SoulsOfThePure 6 months ago
Horus: Teacher at Age 12
The Second Story of Khamuas (Griffith, F. LI, Stories of the High Priests of Memphis; The Sethon of Herodotus and the Demotic Tales of Khamuas)
"Si-Osiris (son of osiris). Numerous are the marvels that he shall do in Egypt.."
"...I would cast my magic up to Egypt that I might cause the people of Egypt to pass three days and nights without seeing light except kiki"
"I will not remove my spell, until you have sworn an oath to me not to return up to Egypt."
SoulsOfThePure 6 months ago
well done keep it up (prays for you) Yeshua rewards the diligent Peace
piqlol 6 months ago
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The problem with Zeitgeist's depiction of Christianity isn't that it's not true, but that it's not the whole truth. Just because one interpretation of the symbols fits, doesn't exclude other interpretations from also fitting. The failure to see this is something which the Zeitgeist film and those who attempt to debunk it have in common. Cultures can appropriate myths w/o "stealing" them. Christ's reality can be figurative, not literal, and yet no less real. "Who has ears to hear, let them hear."
Silenus6 7 months ago
zeit is satanic
TheMessanjah 7 months ago
Zeitgeist is pathetic.
Axxess7777 7 months ago
The bible was written by man therefore is flawed...
stitch39212 8 months ago
mm nice video. i dont really trust peter joseph. because if somebody starts to tell you that god does not exist. is a person that you dont follow..i am not a religous man. but i believe in god. and everybody has the right to believe or pray in anyway they want.
if he is saying that not believeing in god is better for the future thats not true.. because at the end it is all energy an spirituallity and balance.
dongerado 8 months ago
Bottom line religion is irrelevant to our issues. Watch the Zeitgeist federal reserve movie....Its the best film Ive ever seen!
teewilson333 8 months ago
Great job!! Keep on fighting for the truth!!
aguirrmar1 8 months ago
@boblafro Why don't you say the same thing Acharya S. and what's his name!!? And why do you all always stoop to name calling?! Zeitgeist needed to be debunked so their lies wouldn't be propagated...
aguirrmar1 8 months ago
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I am follower of the Zeitgeist Movement. I just personally don't listen to that part on Religion and stick with the other philisophical points because I am a Christian. Most of it is great thinking and has great points. The views on the banking system for one. In my opinion if someone blindly follows everything that one man says. I think they need to start thinking for themselves. All of your experiences in life need to make up your beliefs not just one man's movie.
Nieuws1 8 months ago
Right on!
PtAltmVansanTarr 9 months ago
The image you chose for this piece of trash that you call "debunking" tells me all i want to know about your intelligence ;)
noraalex 9 months ago
@boblafro Hello Kettle, I'd like you to meet Pot. It looks like you have a lot in common.
infernocanuck 9 months ago
Frankly, I think this is well done, and you actually hear things from the "horse's mouth" so to speak. Not only that, but you're frank and honest with the fact that you have done some video cutting, offered a link to the interview in full and are truthful with your religious background, and not putting on airs.
I have no idea why you are getting so much hate. Ah well. I for one enjoyed this, and I encourage you to keep doing what you're doing!
infernocanuck 9 months ago
I just couldn't keep watching beyond 3:28
Agnostic72 9 months ago
@Agnostic72 lmao!!!!!
lorioftheforest 8 months ago
People will believe what they want to believe. People wanted no God and Jesus, so....Zeitgeist says there's no God or Jesus. Give people what they want. Sheep are sheep. No matter what side of the fence they're on.
Bhatch2007 9 months ago
I never laughed so hard at a video before. At the end I was like; "So this guy is SERIOUS??? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"
Wow! Zeitgeist moving forward explains in detail with phd professors and numerous resources and technical standpoints on how our earth is going to shit and how we can move in a more sane direction, and this cat brings magical tales from a book to try to somehow PROVE IT ALL WRONG??? HAHAHAHA!!!
You make me wanna go to church again....just for the lulz....
evilnomad111 10 months ago
@evilnomad111 Yeah, I like it! You hit the nail on the head.
rarosera 9 months ago
@evilnomad111 Ppppppaaaaaagggggaaaaaaaannnnnnnn
009jorge1 9 months ago
So, in "Debunking" Zeigeist almost the first thing you make known is you have "edited" this audio recording- Interesting indeed.
arabhomer 10 months ago
@arabhomer He was honest with it, and offered a link to the interview in full. Move along, no conspiracy here.
infernocanuck 9 months ago
lol, dudde, you still have all the work ahead of you, Dennet, Harris , Dawkins, Hitchens.. evidence is in favor of the Myth word, not Fact word.
rosmer00 10 months ago
Yah, the Jesus story is very believable. He was murdered, stuck in a cave for 3 days, then came back to life. After 40 days he ascended to heaven in the presence of the 11 Apostles. That's gotta be true
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Someideasandstuff 10 months ago
@Someideasandstuff Just because the miracle of a resurrection seems pretty impossible, it doesn't mean that Jesus didn't exist as a historical figure. That's the claim Zeitgeist makes, and it's a very false claim at that.
infernocanuck 9 months ago
@boblafro whoa ! Be fair and don't be worked up, that's what Zeitgeist is all about. This video was right on, it was peacefully showing that Peter Joseph and Acharya did not properly answer these questions, and these were legitimate questions. The films made some good points, but a lot of the "Facts" about Jesus were entirely off...
MikeyB25 10 months ago
Even if Horus was born Dec 25th it does not parallel to the life of Jesus because He was not born Dec 25th.
Boricua4Christ 11 months ago
YOU IDIOTS believe anyone in this so called truth movement...THE devil will mimic christ and you fools will be decieved like your wicked hearts desire.
Drebln893 11 months ago
@Drebln893 ZG and TVP don't represent the Truth Movement. They used some truth about 9/11 and Federal Reserve fraud to throw in this garbage. Mostly everyone I know believes that 9/11=inside job, the Fed is robbing us through inflation, but very few of us believe the bs about Christianity in the 1st part. I will be the 1st to admit that ORGANIZED RELIGION is garbage however FAITH is very real. TVP is laughable and a scam. We gotta remove the NWO before we dream of utopias,PJ, JF are shills!
BigCavone75 10 months ago
@BigCavone75 ..Hi,..Very good points you made.
Drebln893 10 months ago
@Drebln893 Now who's being an idiot? Oh wait.. You're a troll. My bad.
petepamf 10 months ago
@petepamf ...shut up you twat...thats how much of a troll i am mate. nob head.
Drebln893 10 months ago
@Drebln893 Confirmed.
petepamf 10 months ago
@petepamf ...yep, by your mum
Drebln893 10 months ago
@Drebln893 and yet another not needed nail in the coffin.
petepamf 10 months ago
@petepamf ..keep replying noob.
Drebln893 10 months ago
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@Drebln893 Beyond rumbled.
petepamf 10 months ago
@petepamf just keep scrolling through the comments its all there
pistolpete667 10 months ago
chris white disapear scumbag!
pistolpete667 11 months ago
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petepamf 10 months ago
Horus: 12 Apostles Con't (1)
The Book of Gates Chapter 3 also states that these 12 worshippers of Ra/Horus who spread Truth upon Earth on his behalf, ALSO drove away (exorcised) unclean spirits: "They who spoke words of power against Apep (and unclean evil spirit)"
jesus' 12 followers are referred to as "apostles". An apostle is one sent forth as a messenger; one SPREADING TRUTH. According to Matthew 10:1, jesus' apostles also drove away (exorcised) unclean evil spirits
pistolpete667 11 months ago
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Horus: 12 Apostles Con't (1)
The Book of Gates Chapter 3 also states that these 12 worshippers of Ra/Horus who spread Truth upon Earth on his behalf, ALSO drove away (exorcised) unclean spirits: "They who spoke words of power against Apep (and unclean evil spirit)"
jesus' 12 followers are referred to as "apostles". An apostle is one sent forth as a messenger; one SPREADING TRUTH. According to Matthew 10:1, jesus' apostles also drove away (exorcised) unclean evil spirits
pistolpete667 11 months ago
Horus: 12 Apostles
The Book of Gates
Chapter3
The Gate of Saa-Set
The Second Division of Tuat
Note: Ra was a solar deity representing the sun's *mid-day* position while Horus represented the sun's *rising* position. By the time of the Book of Gates, Ra had already been merged with Horus to represent all positions.
The Book of Gates states: "The 12 worshippers of Ra/Horus who are at peace..They who praised Ra/Horus upon Earth...they who spoke Truth upon Earth (on Ra/Horus'behalf)"
pistolpete667 11 months ago
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Horus: 12 Apostles
The Book of Gates
Chapter3
The Gate of Saa-Set
The Second Division of Tuat
Note: Ra was a solar deity representing the sun's *mid-day* position while Horus represented the sun's *rising* position. By the time of the Book of Gates, Ra had already been merged with Horus to represent all positions.
The Book of Gates states: "The 12 worshippers of Ra/Horus who are at peace..They who praised Ra/Horus upon Earth...they who spoke Truth upon Earth (on Ra/Horus'behalf)"
pistolpete667 11 months ago
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Horus: 12 Apostles
The Book of Gates
Chapter3
The Gate of Saa-SetThe Second Division of Tuat
Note: Ra was a solar deity representing the sun's *mid-day* position while Horus represented the sun's *rising* position. By the time of the Book of Gates, Ra had already been merged with Horus to represent all positions.
The Book of Gates states: "The 12 worshippers of Ra/Horus who are at peace..They who praised Ra/Horus upon Earth...they who spoke Truth upon Earth (on Ra/Horus'behalf)"
pistolpete667 11 months ago
Horus: Virgin Mother Con't (2)
Isis/ Virgo depiction: Lady of Green Crops, Lady of Bread, Lady of Abundance..." -- Egyptian Book of the Dead
It is Sirius (Isis) the beloved daughter, who provides the YEARLY SUSTENANCE (flooding of the Nile) for you in her name of "Year" --- Pyramid Text
"Sirius (Isis) is the opener of the Year's flood"
All of the Above depictions of Isis refer to Harvest, which is exactly why the Greeks designated thier constellation of Harvest a VIRGIN GODDESS
pistolpete667 11 months ago
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Horus: Virgin Mother Con't (2)
Isis/ Virgo depiction: Lady of Green Crops, Lady of Bread, Lady of Abundance..." -- Egyptian Book of the Dead
It is Sirius (Isis) the beloved daughter, who provides the YEARLY SUSTENANCE (flooding of the Nile) for you in her name of "Year" --- Pyramid Text
"Sirius (Isis) is the opener of the Year's flood"
All of the Above depictions of Isis refer to Harvest, which is exactly why the Greeks designated thier constellation of Harvest a VIRGIN GODDESS
pistolpete667 11 months ago
Horus: Virgin Mother Con't (1)
It is a widely known fact that the greek religion is but a mirror of the egyptian religion e.g Dionysis is actually Osiris , Typhon is actually Set, Mercury is actually Thoth, etc. With that said, the glyph for Virgo is a Virgin holding WHEAT (Bread) and CORN (Spica), as Virgo is the constellation of HARVEST, and this is how the Egyptians depicted Isis:
Lady of Green Crops, Lady of Bread, Lady of Abundance..." Egyptian Book of the Dead Con't
pistolpete667 11 months ago
Horus: Virgin Mother
1. In a text in the Abydos Temple of Seti I, Isis herself declares:
"I am the great VIRGIN"
2. Found among the glyphs of Denderah, are glyphs depicting the sex between Isis and Osiris. The glyphs show Isis sending out her Bah (spirit), Sothis or Sirius (a hawk), the hawk being seated and inseminated on Osiris' phallus, and then returning back to Isis. The sex between Isis and Osiris was non-physical, therefore leaving her virginity intact.
pistolpete667 11 months ago
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Horus: 3 Day Entombment and Resurrection
According to the Ikhernofret Stela (2000BC), Osiris' Death and Resurrection was celebrated in a 5 day festival known as the "Passion Plays". He is entombed on the 2nd day, and remains so until the 4th day (3 DAYS). Afterwards on the 5th day he is reborn at DAWN.
This is why Horus represented the sun's rising position, whereas Osiris represented the sun's *setting*position; Horus is symbolic of Osiris' rebirth /resurrection at DAWN
pistolpete667 11 months ago
@boblafro I agree with you but just to clarify what you said. Laws of the Universe can't be bypassed, you mean like gravity and light?
gamper33 11 months ago
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Mithra: Virgin Mother
"Aruru thorugh of Anu. Then she wet her creative fingers, FASHIONED A ROCK, and tossed it as far as she could into the woods. Thus she FATHERED Enkidu."
[Epic of Gilgamesh 2150 BC-2000BC]
This is why Mithra is called "Theos ek Petras" or "God from the Rock" -- he is another version of Enkidu was born from the rock that the Virgin Aruru created
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Mithra: Virgin Mother
"Aruru thorugh of Anu. Then she wet her creative fingers, FASHIONED A ROCK, and tossed it as far as she could into the woods. Thus she FATHERED Enkidu."
[Epic of Gilgamesh 2150 BC-2000BC]
This is why Mithra is called "Theos ek Petras" or "God from the Rock" -- he is another version of Enkidu was born from the rock that the Virgin Aruru created
pistolpete667 11 months ago
Horus: Baptism + Eucharist
Book of Gates Chapter 5
Note: Again, in the Book of Gates Ra is Ra-Horakty (Ra who is Horus of the two Horizons: the sun travelling from one horizon to the other.)
The 12 gods say unto Ra/Horus: --"Immerse thyself, O Ra, in the Holy Lake, whereing the lord of the gods immersed himself, whereunto the sould of the dead approach not; this is what thou thyself hast commanded, O KHUTI. "Thier food CONSISTETH BREAD... thier vessels are FILLED WITH WINE.
pistolpete667 11 months ago
@boblafro Thumbs up to this guy pleeeeeaseeee!!!!! :D
vitaminasHM 11 months ago
people who believe all this zeitgeist b.s. are just as stupid as religious folks. they need to know that there is someone in control even if it's nwo instead of god. people can't cope with a random and chaotic universe. noone is in control and noone knows what the hell is going on. just keep lying to yourselves if it makes you feel better.
canibaloxide 11 months ago
search "Christmas Card from an Atheist" that explains how christmas is pagan, also Easter is a Pagan tradition
javonne 11 months ago
all you people go off on with TZM is that Peter Joseph explained the fact that Christianity and the image of Jesus was indeed apart of Pagan worship of the sun. THIS IS FACT! btw, Peter Joseph is not the first to say this, there are numerous historians that have said this way before the movie Zeitgeist even began. If you don't believe me, just look at the holiday of Christmas, Christmas is a pagan tradition when on Dec. 25th the ancients would exchange gifts to one another.
javonne 11 months ago
I am a Christian. God condemns Usury. God is against debt. God condemns theft. God condemns killing, All of these things cause suffering and all of these things are promoted and practiced by every country which is involved in fractional reserve banking. I disagree with zeitgeist on its views on Christianity, but if you dipshit people could just come together on the fact that we must end our corrupt monetary system, we would ALL be better off. This is the most important point in zeitgeist!
thinkertank1 11 months ago
Does zeitgeist promote the book of Enki?? Like Enki from the annunaki?? new religion thing
TheDutchDatabase 11 months ago
@TheDutchDatabase on the website right at 0:37
TheDutchDatabase 11 months ago
I will settle this dispute. The Venus Project will Deep 666 the Internet or I will DTMF signal their central computer to overload their project's high tech batteries that have been withheld from the general public's use. Youtube search " Zeitgeist Jedi Nite - Destroying the Monetary System NOW! "
Yippie101 11 months ago
As for the Romans allowing the christians to destroy papers... That's a strawman argument and a conscious one - because for sure the poster has heard of the Crusades, the Inquisition, The genocide of native tribes... Man, this 'debunker' is terrible.
rarosera 11 months ago
@rarosera I don't think you know what "strawman argument" means.
infernocanuck 9 months ago
@infernocanuck What you think or fail to think is not important.
rarosera 9 months ago
@rarosera I was being generous. Allow me to be more explicit, then. You are not using "Strawman argument" in the right context. Therefore, you either made a mental mistake, or you do not know what it means. You are wrong. Better?
infernocanuck 9 months ago
@infernocanuck Forgive me for being direct, but you do not understand so I will explain. Strawman argument; "an argument or opponent set up so as to be easily refuted or defeated." In this case the strawman argument is that the Romans would not have allowed 'criminalized' christians to destroy pagan records, where the premise stated that the Holy Inquisition DID destroy such records. Ergo, the former was a strawman argument.
rarosera 9 months ago
@rarosera You say "The Romans would not have allowed Christians to destroy pagan records" is the Strawman? What about that statement is easy to refute or defeat? How would defeating that -help- the poster's overall premise? If the poster is "setting up a strawman" he would then have to argue against that statement and then come to a conclusion that contradicts what he originally stated. He is not doing that at all, so I reaffirm my statement you are using the term "Strawman" improperly.
infernocanuck 9 months ago
@infernocanuck "You say "The Romans would not have allowed Christians to destroy pagan records" is the Strawman? What about that statement is easy to refute or defeat?" Wow... Really? Are you REALLY asking that? Well, the whole premise is easy to refute, hence why I said it was a strawman argument. Are you The Black Knight from Monty Python's 'Search for the Holy Grail?' You ignore this point; the premise was that the Inquisition destroyed the papers, not Christians in Rome. cont...
rarosera 9 months ago
@rarosera This is a severe waste of my time, but I'll spell it out for you, since you still don't get it. You could have just said "But the Christians did end up destroying pagan records centuries later after the Roman Empire fell" And that would have been the end of it. But wanting to sound smart, you claim "Romans not allowing Christians to destroy pagan records" was a strawman argument made by the poster. That is wrong. You are wrong. I am done. Please take a Logic 101 class. Goodbye
infernocanuck 9 months ago
@infernocanuck cont... As the poster can't refute the inquisitions destruction of pagan records he builds the strawman 'Peter Joseph and Acharya S say that the christians in the days of Rome destroyed pagan records' which he then points out as being extremely unlikely aswell as completely absurd. Now you can continue arguing but that doesn't alter the fact that this is exactly what the poster has done and that this is what is commonly known as a strawman argument. QED.
rarosera 9 months ago
The money made by PJ and Acharya S is nothing compared with what the Vatican makes from their inhuman fraud. This is not because god is on the side of the Vatican and it's paedophiles, but because the church is so completely coercive. "Believe what we tell you to believe or you will burn in Hell."
rarosera 11 months ago
@rarosera "Believe what we tell you to believe or you will burn in Hell." i agree that the Church, the Vatican, is like that, only, & w/ no offense intended, is not that 'philosophy' or 'idea(l)' based primarily from the bible itself?
asmodeous9 11 months ago
@asmodeous9 Yes, from the old testament - the Torah - but yes, that philosophy does come from the teachings of the babble - I mean bible..
rarosera 11 months ago
@rarosera lol. thx
asmodeous9 11 months ago
creator is so busy that he put jesus at the prayer center to listen to us pray. none of us have ANY credible evidence of anything to study. so drop the study shit. reading material is made by the highest payer. pray to creator and ask what to belive while you got creators attention. and ask if you need a building full of symbolism to better contact. answers will come with or without books, buildings, and a bunch of arguing
MrLarrs72 1 year ago
''There is no god, now stop worrying and enjoy your life''
tardoshi 1 year ago
@tardoshi "There probably is a God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life" See. I can do it too!
infernocanuck 9 months ago
She mentions the Inquisition Chris, not during the Roman domination in which Christians were killed. Your refutation that how could Christians destroy papers while Romans were persecuting them. Spanish Inquisition very different than Roman empire
MrMshannon20 1 year ago
How could anyone see that section and not think "Wow, these guys are full of crap?" Don't attack me for "defending Christianity," being "set in my mindset,"or "refusing to think about it" or something equally no foolish. I'm not. I have done this every single time I have seen this movie. I am attacking the HORRIBLE misinformation. Trying to listen to anything after that rush of lies is like trying to take someone seriously after they spent 10+ min saying craters on the moon came from the Flood.
Siashi 1 year ago
Alright, not gonna look through all the pages of comments, just gonna say my piece. If it's been said before, I don't care. To everyone who supports the movie Zeitgeist, why? Seriously. I don't care what message they have after the part about the myths. It could be the most profound work ever put to YouTube. However, no one should get past the myths. You should stop the movie, seeing just how horribly lie filled this tripe is, and not take any of it seriously. It's like a 10+ minute Chick tract.
Siashi 1 year ago
@Siashi Jack Chick combines horrible animations with a heavy-handed, insulting and ignorant Christian Evangelic message. The creator of this video offered a challenge to the makers and historians of Zeitgeist to confirm and explain their claims, and posted commentary alongside audio of the two trying (and failing) to do just that. I don't see how this is a Chick tract at all. I think you're just ignorant.
infernocanuck 9 months ago
@infernocanuck Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant the original Zeitgeist movie. I was explaining my feelings when watching the original film's section on myths. THAT is what I was comparing to Chick, I think this debunking is fine, from what I remember. Haven't seen it in two months though.
Siashi 9 months ago
@Siashi Ah, well then, my apologies for being so hasty, and calling you ignorant! What I posted was quite rude, and I appreciate your calm response. I don't think I would have been so generous if I was in your shoes! :D
infernocanuck 9 months ago
@infernocanuck Eh, it's fine. Mistakes happen. But.. if I got upset at every rude comment I got/saw on YouTube... well.. I would be a much more offended person.
Siashi 9 months ago
@Siashi Ah, well then, my apologies for being so hasty, and calling you ignorant! What I posted was quite rude, and I appreciate your calm response. I don't think I would have been so generous if I was in your shoes! :D
infernocanuck 9 months ago
You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. . .
---Buckminter fuller.
ALUCA6R6 1 year ago
Chris White!!!! Peter Joesph goes down!!!!
ChildofYeshua777 1 year ago
Study the history of the Holy Roman Empire! From Constantine acting as Editor & Chief for the New Testament, to the Inquisition, Conquest of the Americas, Crusades, it has all been about domination and control. All other Christian branches are from this core including the King James version. Those texts that were left out were found in Qumran at the Essene community near the Dead Sea. The doctrines preached by Jesus existed long before he did! Also read the Coptic or Gnostic Nag Hamadi text
romeoechomike369 1 year ago
and there are literally hundreds upon hundreds of histories of religion and the church and just general cultural histories of the ancient egyptian world thru the rise of the Roman Christianity from other sources than these two who made this film. if you don't like them read other more serious academics. Read Joseph Campbell's Masks Of God series or just the book on Occidental Mythology. Campbell is the single most respected authority and academic on comparative religion.
WhoIsDJGalt 1 year ago
commonalities amongst myth traditions is GLOBAL because they all seek to answer similar questions. i suppose that the flood and story in the Epic of Gilgamesh that predates the Noah Flood story by a few hundred years is just a "coincidence"?
i suggest that people read Joseph Campbell one of the worlds most respected authorities on comparative religion if you really want to understand how myth is created and evolves.
WhoIsDJGalt 1 year ago
i don't know how accuate or innacurate every claim in Zeitgeist is. but i do know one thing, i have an advanced degree in Medieval Studies which is in fact mostly a study of the history of the Catholic Church since it was the major influence during the whole period. there is ZERO doubt that the rise of Judaism and subsequently Christianty is nothing more than an evolution of earlier beliefs in the region. both Egyptian and Helenistic. this is a historical FACT.
WhoIsDJGalt 1 year ago
@WhoIsDJGalt Okay.
athanasiadis24 1 year ago
@WhoIsDJGalt
hey man you sayed it youre self , christianity as we know it isent christian , its roman , i mean catholoscism of course and all of tis branches. yet this has nothing to do wht jesus . jesus message was hijacked ,this has always been pretty clear to me. but the claims they make at the beggining , they are so fake , why lie , wy not use the truth religion has done enough true things to discredit itself . this is DESINFORMATION, externalazation of the hierachy.
matanga69 1 year ago
so am i going to hell,to burn and burn and burn and burn and burn and burn etc etc, you cannot really believe that rubbish..... there is nothing wrong with going to church,singing etc... my local church is quite and peaceful,i take my dog through there quite often.... but to believe in god is just plain stupid....
dribbleist 1 year ago
I am fully on board for the Zeitgeist movement, but... I wanted my girlfriend to take a look at the films and when she did, she was so turned off by the inaccuracies of the part about religion in Zeitgeist 1, that she refuses to give any more attention to the movement as a whole and will not watch Addendum, which is what I really wanted her to see. Now I've come to see that part of the film as the black sheep of Zeitgeist, and am wary to recommend the film to anyone now because of that :(
heysteve84 1 year ago
Thanks for unintentionally promoting The Zeitgeist Movies & Movement. Woo Yoo!
VenusAsABoyFilms 1 year ago
why do they keep talking about the winter solstice, december 25th? What does this have to do with Christianity? What does this have to do with the birth of Yahushua? ???????????????????
I call this a big Red Herring of Acharya S
Oh my my, and then there's a big CONSPIRACY. The Encyclopaedia Brittanica is concealing information about the truth. I can't live that paranoid.
peacewalker7 1 year ago
It's hilarious how this idiot is so good at creating red herrings to try to debunk truth, The fact remains that Jesus birth is celebrated on the 25th because the church, like every other religion throughout time has combined ideas from other religions in order to keep people in the pews. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MOVIE! ALL religions have stolen ideas from others which came before and then claimed to be unique, and to have THE holy book. Christians are gullible fools,
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
@MrTruthAddict your calling people when u dont no the whole story? your a MORON
were you a witch ?? no i was , you know that ufos are spirts? no i dont think you do , theres alot more that u dont know , you even told us to read Paul Johnson's "A History of Christianity" hello the guys a mason hes dissinfo! god wouldnt let the church change everything said in the bible.
truthteller656 1 year ago
It's fascinating how Christian Chris White can be so scholarly and precise in dissecting the Zeitgeist explanation of "what is" , but will establish his beliefs upon a centuries old book that is full of myth and half truths , and totally debunkable !
rolynstone48 1 year ago
@rolynstone48 LOL, exactly
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
@ 3.15: you assume they both make money off their ideas.
Disappointing claim. Peter Joseph only loses money from his efforts, and originally had no intent of release this movie commercially (which is retailed for $5US)
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For all those people who believe that the info in zeitgeist is unsupported by facts, I urge you to visit the official youtube "Zeitgeist Movie" channel. Not only do they have a 2010 release of zeitgeist but they also include in the description a link for a free downloadable pdf that is a complete source book. It covers all 3 parts of the first zeitgeist movie. If you really care about the sources and facts of where zeitgeist has got their information from, download the pdf and see for yourself.
yllierutube 1 year ago
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For all those people who believe that the info in zeitgeist is unsupported by facts, I urge you to visit the official youtube "Zeitgeist Movie" channel. Not only do they have a 2010 release of zeitgeist but they also include in the description a link for a free downloadable pdf that is a complete source book. It covers all 3 parts of the first zeitgeist movie. If you really care about the sources and facts of where zeitgeist has got their information from, download the pdf and see for yourself.
yllierutube 1 year ago
@cdejean22 try to use your own mind to answer your question..that is if you have the right mind.
TheIlluminats 1 year ago
thanks for the truth shared...this will truly strengthened our faith being a christian. yah its true that the luciferians are now doing their best to mislead the world and force it to worship lucifer!
NO WAY! Jesus is the worthy name to be bowed down.
TheIlluminats 1 year ago
@TheIlluminats LOL, no wonder they used to feed you people to the lions. Youre complete idiots.
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
Christian conspiracy? The Christian church absolutely destroyed the writings of other religions! They destroyed writings by CHRISTIANS which they thought were heretical! THAT is a given! She actually DID learn how to read hieroglyphics.
You Christians are so intellectually dishonest, it's disgusting. Anything to cling on to your precious fairy tale.
answers(dot)com/topic/osiris
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
@MrTruthAddict edit you mean catholic church hello the catholic pagan whore of babylon like the bible calls it is against got ffs they murder christians for 1000s of years and called they witchs.
truthteller656 1 year ago
@truthteller656 uh, yeah, guess what. That book youre reading that you think is gods word? It was edited, interpolated, and manipulated for political reasons for hundreds of years by that "cult." I always thought it was hilarious that you idiots think the catholic church is a cult but you believe THEIR book! LOL, you people are morons!
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
@MrTruthAddict So Christians BACK THEN knew how to read hieroglyphics because the female author did? You should learn listening skills instead of getting so emotional about it. If all the info was "destroyed" then where did she get it? That she never mentions. anything to cling to your little fairy tale too lol. still searching myself but if someone can't give me sources I'm not to quick to trust their claims.Especially when they dont expose lucifarian ideology, or it's connection with the UN
william0873 1 year ago
@william0873 WOW! How you got "Christians BACK THEN knew how to read hieroglyphics" out of my statement is utterly amazing. I can see why you think a book of fairy tales from the bronze age might be true. Wow, just wow.
Luciferian ideology and the UN? Really? LOL, you're cuckoo
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
@MrTruthAddict look it up instead of imitating an ostrich, it's on record about the UN. Yes I understand that Mithralism corrupted the catholic church but hopefully even you know that isn't the only form of Chrstianity. There's Orthodox n even a few real protestant churches left which the female in the vid doesnt discuss. She fails to "debunk" Muslim beliefs also. Who the hell said I believe everything added to the Bible anyway? It's been corrupted just like most other things in this world
william0873 1 year ago
haha, I just realized where you got the idea. You heard the idiot in the video try to use that as a reason not to believe Zeitgeist, LOL. Do you idiots ever have original ideas? Read Paul Johnson's "A History of Christianity" and you will find that the Egyptian culture had a huge influence on the Roman empire and the way Christianity was practiced during the time of Constantine. He himself worshiped Mithra, a sun god. Jesus and Mithra were so similar it was easy to combine the two.
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
It would be nice if you provided a frame of reference for what the movie claims about Jesus for those you haven't seen it so we could understand the argument here.
halopa246 1 year ago
You're debunking nothing. They form there opinions through logic and yours through faith. "Dire metsaphisical consequences if they're wrong" Give me a break. You're obviosly terrified of dying so you make these videos to clasp on to your childish beliefs. So maybe they haven't complete concrete evidence to convince you to let go of your absurd historical view but it sure makes a lot more logical sense. Liberate youselves from religious prison.
petepamf 1 year ago 6
@petepamf So true. I mean let's be serious people, what kind of LOVING God would cast his creation in eternal fire for eternal pain an anguish as a punishment for their sins. Let's use our brains here, would you do that to your children for breaking some rules that you put in place? If your answer is yes, then you are one hateful and sick Sadomasochism.
cdejean22 1 year ago
@petepamf Now there... be fair... this is off topic. They're debunking them because the claims in the movie about Jesus and the other religions comparisons were completely off... that's just factually where that stands...
MikeyB25 10 months ago
@MikeyB25 Semantics.
petepamf 10 months ago
@petepamf Not to pick on you but the "Semantics" still don't add up, Zeitgeist was just way off with their religion comparisons and symbolism, it just completely made it up and it's much more obvious then the scripture being completely made up... :/
MikeyB25 10 months ago
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@MikeyB25 I don't feel picked on in the slightest.. Are you referring to zeitgeists loosely using virgin births on other pagan gods?
petepamf 10 months ago
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petepamf 10 months ago
@petepamf
His point is that they cannot reasonably argue that people are naturally defensive of their worldview without admitting that they are also naturally defensive of their own worldview.
dragknuckle 9 months ago
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@Omnicron777 So Jesus lied?
SupremeAmerican 1 year ago
@Omnicron777 So Jesus never existed? Even though 95 percent of scholars say he did? Even the atheists ones say he existed bro.
SupremeAmerican 1 year ago
this is terrible garbage. you suck knowwheretorun1984
pistolpete667 1 year ago
I was looking forward to some real evidence that can really disprove Zeit Giest however was let down tremdously by this video read ancient sumerian translations you will find lots of parallels refering to the old testimate also the book of Enoch which was considered scripture until it clashed with the Christian faith they sought to create by taking the actual story of jusus and borrowing from pagan beliefs in order to bring more people to the new religion. says Paul in The secret Bible
bigvesedog 1 year ago
I was looking forward to some real evidence that can really disprove Zeit Giest however was let down tremdously by this video read ancient sumerian translations you will find lots of parallels refering to the old testimate also the book of Enoch which was considered scripture until it clashed with the Christian faith they sought to create by taking the actual story of jusus and borrowing from pagan beliefs in order to bring more people to this religion. THE SECRET BIBLE the Davinci code
bigvesedog 1 year ago