@flimflamracin Honestly, that is probably the DUMBEST pro-choice argument ever, and I hear it ALL the time. The "don't like abortion, don't get one," statement only makes sense to other pro-choicers, so it's not something that pro-lifers feel the need to respond to or discredit. When you say that to a pro-lifer, to them you're saying, "don't like murder, don't murder," so they would naturally respond, "abortion is murder." This just brings us back to the center of the debate and gets us nowhere.
@gracehi88 Yea well,it's you anti-choice zealots that are trying to force your agenda on everyone else...I say the choice is between the woman and her doctor....not government.
Hitler was only against abortions of "Aryan" people... he was all for them if the baby was black or disabled etc. Remind you of someone? like the founder of PP?!
@EasyEs The fact remains that they did ban abortions, as you correctly point out. It's quite likely they "didn't enforce the ban" because they were too busy fighting a war to make it a priority.
Nor is it strange that they would allow abortions in countries they were attempting to ethnically cleanse.
Abortion is routinely banned by totalitarian governments but is available to people in advanced democracies. And the people yelling "Nazi" on this thread are the anti-abortion zealots, not me.
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Lies, lies and more lies, Live Action has 11 more videos like this at different locations. Just whose payroll are you on Media Matters? Abortion is a business which exploits women. Young women who are sexually abused, Planned Parenthood protects pimps and hurts young women.
One expert who spoke at the United Nations estimates that up to 200 million women and girls are missing worldwide because of sex-selective abortion and female infanticide.
Well most of us are smarter than a 5th grader and learned from the past that you can NEVER trust FOX sources. The Acorn video was PROVED to be completley bogus..why would anyone think this one would be authentic..and again a pimp? HAHA..Uh..hello? Acorn video after being viewed unedited even showed that punk "whats his name" actually wearing a nice dress shirt when visiting Acorn office..not the ridiculous Pimp outfit...FOX is a joke to everybody but those who ONLY watch FOX.!
This is ACORN all over again, folks. Weren't they targeted with the same accusations as planned parenthood is now? (Supposed human trafficking?) I wonder if that wanker Breitbart has anything to do with this shit?
@ProfMTH That's exactly why I suspect the same people are behind it. In any case I think its high time we stand up and stage a nationwide protest. Not just for Planned Parenthood, but for pretty much everything these know-nothing, ass-backward conservatives have spent millions of dollars to destroy.
I don't see how this proves anything. Clearly Live Action edited the video, but it seems to me that they simply edited out parts of the conversation that were irrelivent. It certainly doesn't prove that the nurse only appeared to be assisting the pimp in getting abortions for underage prostitutes because of how it was edited.
@gracehi88 editing implies cutting they cut audio and replaced it to fit what they wanted it to look like, seriously you don't know the difference? You can edit an interview to make it shorter you cannot replace the audio version just because you want it to fit your agenda, its like explaining things to a 5 year old.
@gracehi88 I am assuming you did not listen to the differences or notice the time stamps. If you listen to the dialogue the subject mater being discussed is completely different. Also editing out would have affected the time stamp.
@SephieRothe How do we know the maker of THIS video didn't edit his video to make it look as though the time stamp was different in the original with the dialogue? He could have done that very easilly considering that you can't see the people's faces in this video. THINK, my friend. Think...
Did I miss it? How did the creators of this vid get the original tape? It's important. Someone has altered a tape, but to judge who we need the provenance of the two versions. (Also why the ominous final questions? If you *have* the original video then you *know* what else Live Action is hiding. Why not say?) Something's fishy. I'm inclined to blame Live Action. But how am I to know who actually has the original tape. Anyone can alter tape and post it - we don't see her, can't read her lips...
@ThePeaceableKingdom Think about this. Who have you heard mention anything about this except MM?????
CBS reproted the tape but no discrepancies. Why not? MAybe they didn't think it was credible...the alterations I mean. MM has had things like this before and guess what.........nobody else talked about it then either.
@drhu After Dan Rather CBS may be over-sensitive regarding accusations of fraud and tampered evidence...??
Live Action has an agenda: to stop abortion. Media Matters for America has an agenda: to make sure the facts are made public (most especially those that benefit leftist causes). Knowing nothing more than that would lead one to find MM4A slightly more credible here. But presumably we *could* know much more than that - if we knew the provenance of the tapes, where these tapes came from, etc.
@drhu They could think it's credible and still not worth the effort... but give Rachel Maddow a couple of weeks before you say...
(From their websites) LA is "dedicated to building a culture of life and ending abortion". MM is "dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation". Which could achieve their mission by altering tapes? I suppose either could if they were unethical. But we needn't speculate, we could know for sure... all facts in the open.
Not sure what is going on...if there is a YT glitch, or if people are typing "@kenfo" at the top of their posts and NOT replying to me. I have not gotten any notices of replies. Don't worry though, you irrational doofs: I'll get around to each and every one of you cowards.
It only gives you one comment in your inbox per video you raging retard. So anytime anyone replies to you here, it replaces the last thing. How stupid do you have to be to not know that? Just in case it isn't sinking into your thick head, this comment is replacing the other reply I made to you. Eating paint chips as a child and then getting a lobotomy was probably a bad idea you know. It's a wonder you can type messages without drowning in your own drool.
@sonnygll "It only gives you one comment in your inbox per video you raging retard." Uh, no. A typical, uneducated libtard, you state bullshit with authority. Every time someone responds to a comment you make, you get an email. I'll look through the rest of your retarded nonsense and embarrass you further at a later time. In the mean time, you should think about how stupid, yet loud you are.
I didn't say anything about e-mail, I said comments. You're not too good with reading comprehension either apparently. It's also not that I set out to liberal, that just tends to be what happens when you go with reality. You have yet to address any points I have argued, so I don't think it's going to happen. I'm also many magnitudes more educated and intelligent than you....Of course even the average barnyard animal is smarter than you.....
@drhu Pro choice movement does not advocate abortion, it advocates the right for an individual to choose with out pressures from either side. You will never hear pro choicer suggesting what's best for the pregnant woman. I am on the left and I have 2 children. I advocate choice, not abortion.
Oops, burned down your strawman. Sorry about that.
On that note, as a parent, I would hate to have abortion illegal or unaffordable and my daughter in desperation using primitive tools.
@drhu Someone who advocated abortion would be pro death, and pro abortion.
Pro choicers support the woman's right to choose what she wants. That's it. There are no pro choicers who would advocate abortion, because they inherently wouldn't be supporting choice now would they?
Calling a someone who is pro choice an "Abortion advocate" is misrepresenting the pro choice position in order for it to be easier for you to attack it. <- Definition of a strawman.
@ReignbowSmite You don't know what you think you know about people. I'm not misrepresenting the position i just know people are people and you may know many that think like you but there are many many more who don't.
@drhu Oh, of course.. it's a CONSPIRACY! *rolls eyes*
Regardless of what you or any anti choicer feels about someone elses decision is irrelevant. A fetus is not a human life until it develops a brain. Terry Schaivo was dead. Her brain was dead. Your decision to take away choice will cause girls to go under ground and wind up really hurt or dead.
@ReignbowSmite I didn't say conspiracy. I was giving you marks for being more human than some of your compadres. That's all. I'm not deciding anything. Anything at all. I have no problem with choice but when folks break the law they break the law. Think what you want about when life starts.
He's very against a womans choice. He wants the government to tell a woman what to do. Otherwise known as a huge hypocrite because he always says he wants government out of our lives.
In the end that lady was still fired and planned parenthood was doing its best to save face. I guess PP and the news outlets are just stupid and fall for "doctored" videos. Or maybe this video is doctored? :I
@kenfo0 I don't believe in abortion. But since I have a penis much like yourself I see myself as having no say in the matter of a woman's reproductive system. By your logic it would be okay for a woman to tell me to castrate myself
@bigkon420 you penis-less wonder: murdering a baby and castration have no relation to one another. No one is saying "women must be sterilized against their will". You proved yourself a dumbass. now zip it, tard.
He's so cute. I can smell the burning strawmen from here. Anyone else wish kenfo0's mom's abortion hadn't failed? LET'S ALL GO MURDER SOME BABIES PEOPLE, IT'S SO MUCH FUN.
@kenfo0 LMAO you are so unhinged it's actually fun pulling your string to watch you spin around the room.
My post wasn't a "viewpoint", it was facts pulled from Reuters News Service.
Your posts are rambling nonsense about things no one even said, frosted with the usual spam about teh socialism and teh leftist and teh communism. Oh, and teh athiest...
Which exposes your agenda right there. You are merely another religious extremist trying to force your agenda on us all.
@getplaning nice try loser. you didn't post one fact in this last post, just like any other. you ramble, while claiming I ramble. THE VAST MAJORITY OF ABORTIONS ARE OF CONVENIENCE. That is known as a "fact". AS SOON AS A HUMAN EGG IS FERTILIZED BY HUMAN SPERM, WHAT RESULTS IS ALWAYS A HUMAN, NEVER A COCONUT OR ANT OR DOG. This is known as "fact". Your "facts": "yer dumm an goe two hell". WOW! what intellect. You are a scumbag and loser.
@getplaning Wow, umm no they didn't ban abortions. They made laws which they never enforced which tried to prevent Aryan women from having abortions and baned women who were involved in the Liebensborn program to breed race pure German citizens from having them. Also they tried to put a ban in place in 1943 that was not enforced.
Stranage how they introduced legal abortion to Poland once they took over..
But yeah keep yelling Nazi and people will gravitate to your rational arguments.
There wasnt anything fake about that Richmond Pimp guy getting help @ Planned Parenthood.
Time is near that this scourge on decent society that is abortion will be vanquished from the U.S. Life has no meaning anymore. Another baby today was found in a toilet in New Jersey, that Philadelphia doctor who performed over 100 late term abortions arrested a few weeks ago with babies literally thrown in zip lock backs and mothers left to bleed out on his couch while recovering.
@GuardianAngel5150 Excuse me, but you do realise that if you ban abortion you will get a lot more of such stories right...
The number of women in my country who suffered from various internal damage or even died because of illegally performed abortions was staggering before abortion was made legal and free.
Today?
To few to even be able to count.
And to use people committing illegal acts as an argument for abolishing the legal abortions?
@auritone But the argument is nonsensical. It follows that "burglars get hurt because they have to climb in second story windows and sometimes fall, so you should leave your door unlocked or make burglary legal.". here's a novel idea: don't have an abortion. the only real debate would revolve around rape/incest/health of mother, which account for less than 1%, and so is NOT to be the basis for a rule.
@kenfo0 Did you know that it requires DNA testing to tell the difference between zygotes of various viviparous vertebrates in order to distinguish them apart.
You looked just like a fish did in its appropriate stage in development.
If a human zygote is a actual "human being", but yet indistinguishable from any other viviparous vertebrate animals zygote, why are you not trying to preserve those animals before they are born?
Why is it okay to kill the adult but not the zygote?
@Xen and yet, if you know as much about biology and genetics as you purport, you know what you just said does not matter and that I am correct: once a human egg is fertilized by a human sperm, it has the entire human genome. What develops is NEVER some OTHER vertebrate, or a coconut or a chicken. The phenomenon you are quoting in your post is called "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny". It does not change what I said at all. I never said it was ok for individuals to arbitrarily kill adults.
@kenfo0 I could scrape some skin off my ass and grow that into a person too; after all, it has all the DNA. Does that mean it should be against the law for anybody to wipe their ass in case we accidently flush a few cells? Is a diseased blastula really so much more important to you than a living woman with living children that we need to make blanket laws concerning abortion? Because THAT is killing adults, even if it's passive as fuck.
@Bar Your reply is that of an insolent, uneducated child. You think you are brilliant, but are not. "Scraping skin off your ass" NEVER results in a human being. Sorry loser. You have failed MISERABLY. "Is a diseased blastula..."....who said anything about diseased blastulae? No one. How is the "living woman" in any danger? You are vague and emotional because you cannot construct a logical argument. YOU are the one who supports "blanket laws"...you want abortion on demand for ANY reason.
@Bardlettt You irrational leftists are all the same: you take 1/2 or 1% and pretend that is the common circumstance. Every law has caveats, and abortion laws may need them too. Instead, you rant irrationally and pretend the exception is the rule. Lastly "that is killing adults...": I am not aware that in modern society, pregnancy is a death sentence. Cancer isn't even a death sentence any more, making your argument all the more absurd. Why can't you just be honest in your debate?
An acorn contains the oak tree genome. Yet it isn't an oak tree. Any cell has the genome in it. So stop using this silly straw man that we are saying it's from another species when that isn't the case, and you know it.
Stop trying to conflate every stage of development with a baby that can survive outside the mother. Furthermore it's not the government's job to enforce your opinion.
@sonnygll Sorry, not a strawman at all. It is not immoral to kill an oak tree....we do it every day for heat, shelter, furniture, etc. Nice strawmen, nancy.
Morality has nothing to do with it. That's just an analogy. If it does not have the brain development to have any chance of being sentient, it's not a person. It's also not the governments business to criminalize something based on the opinions of a bunch of superstitious savages.
I guess this is why Planned Parenthood announced today that they launching a national retraining program of all of their staff so that all of them will be obeying the law as well as guidelines that PP agreed to as a condition of rec. federal tax dollars .
This is not common at all*(acts in video that is, the first wasnt ok, the rest are actually great), the training is probably a guy to come in for one hour to reinforce rules and regulations, all companies do this at some point after one employee is bad.
Perhaps it is "convenient for the mother" to terminate a pregnancy the complications of which might just kill her so she can live to try again. You idiots think this is a decision made on a whim. Fuck you, and fuck everyone who thinks like you.
@Wrenchbender412i I have never known anyone who was in a predicament like that. Nor have I ever heard that from anyone I know. That is always the trumpet call of the left.
@Wrenchbender412i He thinks he's an authority on everything, typical drooling wingnut.
Regressive morons like him are dying out, the younger generations have far less backward thinking and know how bad for humanity and the planet right wing corporatism is.
drhu is a coward and a troll, he's told many to grow up lately, but he's got the mentality of a four year old.
Resident troll coward, he supports right wing domestic terrorist that kill abortion doctors, he's a birther and a Bircher as well!
@Neoconhater You see Neo here doesn't like my generation because WE REMEMBER. So no matter how he tries to repaint history there will be those of us who know better. He really wants us to shut up but he will have to arrange a hit to get that to happen.
He and others here were licking their lips watching Egypt. Progressives hit the streets with Code Pink calling for revolution like in Egypt.
@Pangolinx1 Ref. doctor and edit audio This is a complete bare assertion. You are claiming these people quote mined. Prove your claim that this was a QUOTE MINE! Pretty please, with sugar on top, show where this happened. We all understand your response will be mere *crickets. No quote mining happened here. She ACTUALLY said those things IN CONTEXT.
Are you saying bugging people are wrong? You're argument is with the Patriot Act then. Your government is criminal. Go Live Action!! Go Wikileaks!
Now check: liveaction blog richmond-virginia-planned-parenthood-clinic-shows-willingness-to-aid-and-abet-sexual-exploitation-of-minors at time 9:44 and 10:54
Ok, lets examine this. Please, no appeals to emotion or straw man arguments. Just state why abortion should be criminalized and why your opinion on the beginning of life is more valid than other people's opinions. Also tell me what you think the penalty should be for a woman getting an abortion and if there are any exceptions. Let's give your theory a fair shake.
I offered this sort of thing to 2 people who declined. This is open to all.
@sonnygll I am not looking to penalize anyone. Why on earth? What purpose would it serve?
Roe v Wade became law in 1973 and the very woman it centered around regrets aborting her child and having anything to do with the law. I have had the argument given to me that we MUST have abortions because we can't feed everyone. My viewpoint is you could well abort the person with the eventual solution. One of the things that made me realize I was not liberal is I have NEVER agreed with the practice.
You don't want to penalize anyone? Do you even want to criminalize it then?
Those arguments are ridiculous. Nothing but a straw man. We can feed everyone, and abortion is NEVER done for that reason and no liberal thinks so.
I think a woman has a right to do with her body as she wishes. It also is none of the governments business. Furthermore black markets cause nothing but problems.
Women abort unintentional pregnancies, and for medical reasons. THAT IS IT. No other reason.
I don't care what some moron told you. At least half of people are dumb as a box of rocks. Intelligence does skew to the left, but there are PLENTY of liberals that are really dumb too. Every group has idiots in it.
The fact remains that those aren't valid arguments, and I would tell anyone who used them they are stupid.
This isn't the government's business. It's as simple as that.
I agree. It's never pleasant. That's why we need to reduce unintended pregnancy.
Note you said "developing child". It's not a child yet. That's the difference. You know it's different too. That's why you wouldn't want to try them for murder. You know that wouldn't be right.
I think you actually agree with me. I think the problem is, that you think we enjoy killing fetuses or some crazy thing like that. That's just no so. Reduction through prevention is the key.
@sonnygll No..see it's this.....I go off my F-----ing rocker with splitting hairs over the development. It will be a child. Most of the characters here have none and won't for a bit. You can tell by their conversation. It's like prohibition. People are people and will do it. Try to get the left to do abstinence and that's when the Christian Taliban crap starts.
Because you know...it's party time...and you know they have been taught the are just monkeys so who cares right? Education.
The development of the brain is not splitting heirs.
Abstinence does not work. It just leads to higher pregnancy rates because people eventually have sex and use no protection. Where as comprehensive education is much more effective.
We certainly are not monkeys. We are in an entirely different part of the primate family. We are hominids, to be exact.
@sonnygll I don't do this subject well because I don't like wasting life in the manner many want. Just as much as I get called "Christian Taliban" I find their attitudes towards people and whether their offspring of value HIGHLY offensive. That is using ethnic and class judgements that also put lie to the compassionate liberal.
@sonnygll See by my viewpoint the heartless ones are the ones who act as though none of them matter. They don't think past the end of their sexual organ. And there are those who don't want you trying to convince them otherwise either.
No that is not it. Nobody takes it lightly or thinks it doesn't matter. Other peoples reproductive system just aren't something anyone elses opinion applies to. That's all there is to it.
I imagine you believe in a soul, so sentience doesn't matter to you. Some people believe the soul happens at birth. I have seen no such evidence and therefore have no reason to believe that.
Nothing wrong with responsibility. Other than not using racial insults, political correctness is stupid. Only the authoritarian left has any use for that.
See if you don't want to put anyone in jail, then you think it is different too. Which is one point I was trying to get at.
@drhu But you agree with the practice of killing doctors.
Typical delusional drooling wingnut.
Hypocrites like you are the base of the tea bagger republican party. You hate abortion, claim you love life, but cheerlead for the murder of doctors and all sorts of right wing domestic terror.
@Makaeff No where I am aware of have I advocated killing abortion doctors. I suggest you show the place I did that. Otherwise you are a balloon juice dealer.
@drhu "No where I am aware of have I advocated killing abortion doctors."
Are you sure? If we tax abortion-doctors to pay for the care of DS people, we are thereby killing abortion-doctors. See: w w w. phyast. pitt. edu/~blc/book/chapter8. html "Another aspect of understanding risk is to consider what we are doing — or deciding not to do — to reduce our risks. Surely it is unreasonable to spend a lot of money to reduce one risk if we can much more cheaply reduce a greater risk"
It's not. For the same reason an Acorn isn't an oak tree.
No it starts out as a single cell, it keeps dividing over a period of time. First it's a zygote, then an embryo and then a fetus. By the time a fetus has the brain development to have any possibility of self awareness, it is beginning the third trimester. At this point there ARE NO ELECTIVE ABORTIONS. It's always for medical reasons. Sometimes it's done only because the baby died and they have to remove the body.
@sonnygll Abortion should be legal up until the appropriate term would be caesarean. Later in medical cases threatening maternal morbidity.
A woman who does not want to harbor a fetus should not; period. No exceptions.
If a prematurely removed fetus is viable the state could choose to take on the burden of care; at it's own expense.
Early violent termination of a pregnancy by a third party could have criminal penalties but not, murder or manslaughter as those are reserved for born persons.
@electango An outright ban on abortion in Nicaragua has caused the deaths of at least 89 women per month since it was imposed in September 2006. In Mexico, the numbers are even greater. Your argument against abortion is a political one, laced with references to Marxism and George Soros. You are just another irrational dittohead with nothing better to do than interfere in the lives of the grown-ups. Go away.
These right wing trolls just regurgitate whatever the Faux fast food 'news' talking heads tell them to think each week. One week it's bullshit about Acorn, another week it's Tides foundation, this week it's Credo mobile and Planned Parenthood.
Indeed, any organisation that actually does good in this country is under attack by the right wing.
I'm surprised these gun nuts aren't all running around with GLock 9s taking out the targets they've been instructed to remove.
@getplaning YOUR viewpoint is irrational. "If someone doesn't want a baby, they shouldn't have to have one.". So if someone runs up huge debts then says "I don't feel like paying.", you advocate they have no responsibility. It is EXACTLY the same issue. "But...but they don't have the resources to pay!". So? Don't run up the debt. Same with sex/abortion. You are simply trying to move downstream from your immoral position that everyone, at any age, should have sex and NOT be responsible.
@kenfo0 Why is it your business, to be involved in someone else's personal situation? How does the personal decision of another person affect you in any way?
@MrROLLO70 Again, irrational, and your argument flies in the face of reality. Why is it anyones business if someone tells their children they are worthless and will never amount to anything? We call it "child abuse" in decent society, and yet it really is none of your business. We have laws against people chopping off their own body parts. Again, none of your business. And yet reasonable, decent people know it IS our business. Protecting life is a responsibility. To you, it is a nuisance.
@kenfo0 What are you talking about? WHY IS IT YOUR BUSINESS, TO BE INVOLVED IN SOMEONE ELSE'S PERSONAL SITUATION? HOW DOES THE PERSONAL DECISION OF ANOTHER PERSON AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY? Why won't you answer those 2 questions?
@kenfo0 Yeah, you heard him girls, if your grandpapa puts his debt in you, it's your debt now, so you better pay for what your twelve year old self let him do! And older ladies with debt -if one debt is going to kill you before you can pay it off, regardless of the three other little debts you have at home already paid and living with you, you better hang on to that debt and keep paying it until you die or you're evil. Wait...are we still talking about the same issue?
@Bardlettt Out of the MILLIONS of abortions on demand, give everyone the number from rape. You can't. You are a jackass and loser who throws out cute sound bites as if an argument. You've made no argument. We don't make rules in society based on the tiniest minority of circumstances. We don't say "it's ok to shoot someone if you think they MIGHT hurt you, because 1/1000% of interactions end in rape or murder". Grow up you ass. The issue is responsiblity...hard for a whiny leftist to grasp.
@kenfo0 I PM'd it to you, but I'll post it here as well. 32,000 a year. 4.5%. And those are just the ones who aren't too ashamed or terrified to report it. I find it interesting that your replies seem to disappear. Maybe it's a lefty conspiracy, because you seem to think any supporting data given to you on the subject is "leftist" or "atheist" propaganda. I'll tell you what, let me know where you live and I'm going to implant a fetus in you while you sleep. Asshole.
@Bardlettt Hi, stupid bitch. you didn't "pm" anything, nor did you respond to what I wrote, making you a liar. shocking? hardly. you haven't supplied ANY "supporting data", dumbass. You've simply stated something as fact w/o reference to a impartial, non-politicized source, then pretended the data MUST be more extreme. LYou have proven your case: your case being you are an immoral, arrogantly stupid asshole. Well done, you pig.
@kenfo0 Worst troll ever. Reaaallllly wish your mother had aborted you. Is "liar" "liberal" "asshole" and "pig" your idea of an argument? My data came from the US census. Where exactly are your references? Remember, Jesus doesn't count. Why don't you stay the fuck away from my uterus. You have no place imposing legislature on my body. Thanks, have a nice day.
@Bardlettt You've not presented reasoned "argument". You've stated opinion as fact. You've failed in basic logic and analogy exercises. You are a mean-spirited, black-hearted whore. "wish your mother aborted you"....this shows your black soul. As much as I think you despicable, I would not wish you harm. That is the difference btwn moral and immoral, me an you. You're data does NOT come from the census. Your data is leftist B.S. I want nothing to do with your putrid, filthy, diseased uterus.
@kenfo0 You know nothing of me, but your more than willing to assume I'm leftist and for all abortion. You have no data of your own, yet demand it from others. I don't have a soul, because the soul does not exist, it's merely something arrogant assholes like yourself make up so that you can feel important. You want nothing to do with my uterus, you can stop making laws telling me what I can and cannot do with it. Feel free to call me some more names, I'm done with your trolling.
@Bardlettt You've stated, unequivocally, through YOUR words, your opinion of abortion. You have LIED, pretending to be responding to something I wrote, when you know that is a lie. You pull stats out of you azz, then claim "yer dumm if u doughnt baleve". You've had an insolent, nasty tone from the very beginning. You have shown you can't follow a simple analogy. You've said "f-u" and "a-hole" before I got nasty. YOU mentioned your stinking, filthy, scummy uterus. (cont)
@Bardlettt (cont) I wouldn't let my worst enemy touch it with a ten foot pole. I HAVE posted FACT: the VAST MAJORITY of abortions are for "convenience", not "rape". As I said before, in plain English, you uneducated whore, that there are LOTS of laws 'on our bodies" in a civilized world. The fact you WANT to murder babies proves you UN-civilized and a disgusting pig. I return to you, what YOU have put forth, filthy bitch. You'll remember this when you are forty, saddened by your murders.
@kenfo0 ~~> LMAO... Quite the judgemental one arn't we... My question is, why do you care what someone elce does with thier unwanted child?? Are you going to raise it?? Are you a awelfare supporter?? Do you foster aids & crack babies?? What about all the starving children in Africa?? Are you sending your green to feed them?? Its as simple as this... MY BODY MY BUSINESS... I am the one who must stand before my maker to be judged... Judgement is not your sayith tha Lord...
@kenfo0 Pop Quiz! When you call someone an "uneducated whore," you have: a) made plain the quality of your character, b) conceded that you have no real argument to make, c) demonstrated that you are sexist, or d) all of the above. Folks - I think we have a real gem here.
@M0US3P0T4TO He's already made the point he's sexist, though not through name-calling. Apparently, one is either for ALL abortion, or against all abortion, and I'm a filthy whore for thinking raped children and ectopic pregnancies should have an exception. Apparently the majority is all that matters, and this person has no idea what being an American means. So it's more important to protect every clump of cells, but grown women should die.
@M0US funny you don't apply the same "value system" to 'bardlettt', isn't it? She advocates murdering babies for convenience sake while pretending most abortions are because of rape, which is patently absurd. I've made a clear, concise, factual argument. Had you read my posts on this page you'd know that. Instead, like most empty, immaturely emotive, uneducated leftists, you do not consider anything that has not been spoon fed to you by other leftists, and think your comment "witty".
@Bardlettt You simply continue you prove yourself an ass. Your comment is not witty or interesting, although you clearly think it is the height of intellectualism. You have nothing to say, other than "my morality is based upon my convenience", which is bankrupt. You can keep replying as you did above, proving yourself a dolt. Doesn't bother me. You can keep pretending that the tiniest exception makes it ok to murder babies for "convenience's sake". That's all you've written...
@kenfo0 32,000 a year is tiny? And WOW GLAD YOU PICKED UP ON MY BEING AN ASS. I was doing it on purpose, because trying to explain a position between all abortions and no abortions to you is like pounding my head against a brick wall. We get it, since a lot of women have abortions because they fucked up with birth control or WHATEVER, you think 32,000 women should have to birth rapist babies, and more should die from pregnancy complications. They're not your babies, you're not a woman, so STFU.
@M0US3P0T4TO sexist? nice try, loser. just like you leftists to toss out the vague, unsupportable insults. disagree with President Obama's policies? RACIST!!! Disagree with leftists shouting down public speakers? NAZI!!! How pathetic. -I think we have a real gem here.
@kenfo0 I have never met a real life telepathic person before - I am in awe of your ability to read minds over the internet(s off).You have assumed all manner of things about me based on my rebuttal to the rude, factually inaccurate, and just plain stupid things you said/. It sounds to me like you are the one interested in shouting down opinions which do not concur with your own. I shan't be wasting any more of my time on an obvious troll. Enjoy your willful ignorance and blatant hypocrisy.
@Bardlettt Why do you continue? You have failed miserably and shown your ugly nature. This last post in particular shows you have nothing to say and cannot respond to clear, concise FACTS I've posted, such as you base your advocacy on the tiniest exceptional event, not on the reality that THE VAST MAJORITY OF ABORTIONS ARE FOR 'CONVENIENCE'. You will regret your actions when you get older, and you will remember this conversation, I assure you.
@Bar awwww....that's all the stupid, immoral little leftist can say :"WAAAH! I can't respond to fact, so like the typical leftist scumbag, I say "yer uh ass an stoopid an awl....". I'm still waiting, you black-souled bitch, how (it's not true, but we'll use your lie) 4.5% of abortions make the rest moral? In other words, abortion on demand is ok because 4.5 in 100 are related to rape. This makes you at best a moron, at worst, an evil scumbag. Perhaps you can respond w/more illogical chants?
@kenfo0 Where did I say it makes the rest moral? Where? Oh right, nowhere. You're the immoral fuck who's saying because two dumb bitches abort their babies for "no good reason" a ten year old has to birth her granddaddy's baby. Read my fucking comments before you get on your knees and beg me to respond.
@Wrongstatementsclear you are a stalker and queer, lujustice1. figures an immoral, psycho retard like you would be here demanding the murder of babies, you scumbag. Don't you have some "brayne serjury" to do today? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (i'm laughing AT you, not WITH you).
@kenfo0 My viewpoint is factual. Yours is a rambling ejaculation of nonsense about debts, morality, and, as another poster put it, sticking your nose where it doesn't belong.
It is intrusive, judgemental, pious people like you who are the nuisance. Go away.
Turns out Live Action isn't hiding anything. They've released the full footage of this video. Nice try, though ;)
gracehi88 3 months ago
LOL I like how you say there is no wrongdoing yet you feel compelled to reply
USFISTER 8 months ago
@jfabproductions No, it just makes you a troll.
getplaning 9 months ago
@DochasachHopeful Actually, no.
Wrenchbender412i 10 months ago
Lets settle it..if you don't want an abortion ,don't get one
flimflamracin 10 months ago 2
@flimflamracin Honestly, that is probably the DUMBEST pro-choice argument ever, and I hear it ALL the time. The "don't like abortion, don't get one," statement only makes sense to other pro-choicers, so it's not something that pro-lifers feel the need to respond to or discredit. When you say that to a pro-lifer, to them you're saying, "don't like murder, don't murder," so they would naturally respond, "abortion is murder." This just brings us back to the center of the debate and gets us nowhere.
gracehi88 3 months ago
@gracehi88 Yea well,it's you anti-choice zealots that are trying to force your agenda on everyone else...I say the choice is between the woman and her doctor....not government.
flimflamracin 3 months ago
@flimflamracin Yeah, we're such zealots to believe that children have a right to live.
gracehi88 3 months ago
@gracehi88 Umm, they doctored the audio ya daft ponce...
nanaforiod 1 month ago
Hitler was only against abortions of "Aryan" people... he was all for them if the baby was black or disabled etc. Remind you of someone? like the founder of PP?!
DochasachHopeful 10 months ago 3
@EasyEs The fact remains that they did ban abortions, as you correctly point out. It's quite likely they "didn't enforce the ban" because they were too busy fighting a war to make it a priority.
Nor is it strange that they would allow abortions in countries they were attempting to ethnically cleanse.
Abortion is routinely banned by totalitarian governments but is available to people in advanced democracies. And the people yelling "Nazi" on this thread are the anti-abortion zealots, not me.
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Lies, lies and more lies, Live Action has 11 more videos like this at different locations. Just whose payroll are you on Media Matters? Abortion is a business which exploits women. Young women who are sexually abused, Planned Parenthood protects pimps and hurts young women.
leticiavelasquez 11 months ago
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Lies, lies and more lies, Live Action has 11 more videos like this at different locations. Just whose payroll are you on Media Matters?
leticiavelasquez 11 months ago
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One expert who spoke at the United Nations estimates that up to 200 million women and girls are missing worldwide because of sex-selective abortion and female infanticide.
Feminism's Triumph: Exterminating Girls
by Joseph A. D'Agostino
IRONY, wouldn't ya say?!
teton99 11 months ago
Well most of us are smarter than a 5th grader and learned from the past that you can NEVER trust FOX sources. The Acorn video was PROVED to be completley bogus..why would anyone think this one would be authentic..and again a pimp? HAHA..Uh..hello? Acorn video after being viewed unedited even showed that punk "whats his name" actually wearing a nice dress shirt when visiting Acorn office..not the ridiculous Pimp outfit...FOX is a joke to everybody but those who ONLY watch FOX.!
peasantgirl1 1 year ago 4
This is ACORN all over again, folks. Weren't they targeted with the same accusations as planned parenthood is now? (Supposed human trafficking?) I wonder if that wanker Breitbart has anything to do with this shit?
Homer177 1 year ago 2
@Homer177 "This is ACORN all over again...."
Indeed. Same bullshit tactics.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH That's exactly why I suspect the same people are behind it. In any case I think its high time we stand up and stage a nationwide protest. Not just for Planned Parenthood, but for pretty much everything these know-nothing, ass-backward conservatives have spent millions of dollars to destroy.
Homer177 1 year ago
I don't see how this proves anything. Clearly Live Action edited the video, but it seems to me that they simply edited out parts of the conversation that were irrelivent. It certainly doesn't prove that the nurse only appeared to be assisting the pimp in getting abortions for underage prostitutes because of how it was edited.
gracehi88 1 year ago
@gracehi88 editing implies cutting they cut audio and replaced it to fit what they wanted it to look like, seriously you don't know the difference? You can edit an interview to make it shorter you cannot replace the audio version just because you want it to fit your agenda, its like explaining things to a 5 year old.
Verto9999 1 year ago 2
@Verto9999 How did the way they altered it fit their agenda better? It didn't change the substance of the conversation.
gracehi88 1 year ago
@gracehi88 I am assuming you did not listen to the differences or notice the time stamps. If you listen to the dialogue the subject mater being discussed is completely different. Also editing out would have affected the time stamp.
SephieRothe 1 year ago
@SephieRothe How do we know the maker of THIS video didn't edit his video to make it look as though the time stamp was different in the original with the dialogue? He could have done that very easilly considering that you can't see the people's faces in this video. THINK, my friend. Think...
gracehi88 11 months ago
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gracehi88 1 year ago
Did I miss it? How did the creators of this vid get the original tape? It's important. Someone has altered a tape, but to judge who we need the provenance of the two versions. (Also why the ominous final questions? If you *have* the original video then you *know* what else Live Action is hiding. Why not say?) Something's fishy. I'm inclined to blame Live Action. But how am I to know who actually has the original tape. Anyone can alter tape and post it - we don't see her, can't read her lips...
ThePeaceableKingdom 1 year ago
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@ThePeaceableKingdom Think about this. Who have you heard mention anything about this except MM?????
CBS reproted the tape but no discrepancies. Why not? MAybe they didn't think it was credible...the alterations I mean. MM has had things like this before and guess what.........nobody else talked about it then either.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu After Dan Rather CBS may be over-sensitive regarding accusations of fraud and tampered evidence...??
Live Action has an agenda: to stop abortion. Media Matters for America has an agenda: to make sure the facts are made public (most especially those that benefit leftist causes). Knowing nothing more than that would lead one to find MM4A slightly more credible here. But presumably we *could* know much more than that - if we knew the provenance of the tapes, where these tapes came from, etc.
ThePeaceableKingdom 1 year ago
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@ThePeaceableKingdom Yeah...I'm think it's safe to say MM has an agenda that goes beyond fact finding.
CBS may be gun shy but MSNBC? ABC? CNN?
Nah....they just don't think it's credible and worth the effort.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu They could think it's credible and still not worth the effort... but give Rachel Maddow a couple of weeks before you say...
(From their websites) LA is "dedicated to building a culture of life and ending abortion". MM is "dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation". Which could achieve their mission by altering tapes? I suppose either could if they were unethical. But we needn't speculate, we could know for sure... all facts in the open.
ThePeaceableKingdom 1 year ago
At some point comparing people to the Nazi's has got to lose it's appeal right? Hitler blah blah blah!! STFU!!!!!
kidlargo1 1 year ago
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Not sure what is going on...if there is a YT glitch, or if people are typing "@kenfo" at the top of their posts and NOT replying to me. I have not gotten any notices of replies. Don't worry though, you irrational doofs: I'll get around to each and every one of you cowards.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 Probably something they are doing on purpose. Hang in there man..you are not alone.
drhu 1 year ago
@kenfo0
It only gives you one comment in your inbox per video you raging retard. So anytime anyone replies to you here, it replaces the last thing. How stupid do you have to be to not know that? Just in case it isn't sinking into your thick head, this comment is replacing the other reply I made to you. Eating paint chips as a child and then getting a lobotomy was probably a bad idea you know. It's a wonder you can type messages without drowning in your own drool.
sonnygll 1 year ago 2
@sonnygll "It only gives you one comment in your inbox per video you raging retard." Uh, no. A typical, uneducated libtard, you state bullshit with authority. Every time someone responds to a comment you make, you get an email. I'll look through the rest of your retarded nonsense and embarrass you further at a later time. In the mean time, you should think about how stupid, yet loud you are.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0
I didn't say anything about e-mail, I said comments. You're not too good with reading comprehension either apparently. It's also not that I set out to liberal, that just tends to be what happens when you go with reality. You have yet to address any points I have argued, so I don't think it's going to happen. I'm also many magnitudes more educated and intelligent than you....Of course even the average barnyard animal is smarter than you.....
sonnygll 1 year ago 2
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Apparently no one on the left who posts on this topic has children. or at least none will admit it.
Do you not want them or just simply can't face the idea that you are advocating abortion when you didn't abort your own.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu Pro choice movement does not advocate abortion, it advocates the right for an individual to choose with out pressures from either side. You will never hear pro choicer suggesting what's best for the pregnant woman. I am on the left and I have 2 children. I advocate choice, not abortion.
Oops, burned down your strawman. Sorry about that.
On that note, as a parent, I would hate to have abortion illegal or unaffordable and my daughter in desperation using primitive tools.
ReignbowSmite 1 year ago
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@ReignbowSmite You didn't burn anything down you are just the only honest individual from the left commenting here.
I salute you for that.
Please realize all those who consider themselves pro choice do not share all your points. Just sayin'
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu Someone who advocated abortion would be pro death, and pro abortion.
Pro choicers support the woman's right to choose what she wants. That's it. There are no pro choicers who would advocate abortion, because they inherently wouldn't be supporting choice now would they?
Calling a someone who is pro choice an "Abortion advocate" is misrepresenting the pro choice position in order for it to be easier for you to attack it. <- Definition of a strawman.
ReignbowSmite 1 year ago 4
@ReignbowSmite *advocates
ReignbowSmite 1 year ago
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@ReignbowSmite You don't know what you think you know about people. I'm not misrepresenting the position i just know people are people and you may know many that think like you but there are many many more who don't.
Just sayin....
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu Oh, of course.. it's a CONSPIRACY! *rolls eyes*
Regardless of what you or any anti choicer feels about someone elses decision is irrelevant. A fetus is not a human life until it develops a brain. Terry Schaivo was dead. Her brain was dead. Your decision to take away choice will cause girls to go under ground and wind up really hurt or dead.
ReignbowSmite 1 year ago 4
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@ReignbowSmite I didn't say conspiracy. I was giving you marks for being more human than some of your compadres. That's all. I'm not deciding anything. Anything at all. I have no problem with choice but when folks break the law they break the law. Think what you want about when life starts.
drhu 1 year ago
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@ReignbowSmite To understand what I mean you should scroll down through the text here and see the conversation i had with a young man here.
i certainly hope you don't subscribe to this views because they don't sound like what you described.
drhu 1 year ago
@ReignbowSmite drhu lies.
He's very against a womans choice. He wants the government to tell a woman what to do. Otherwise known as a huge hypocrite because he always says he wants government out of our lives.
drhu is a paid troll, ignore the tool.
Neoconhater 1 year ago 5
@ReignbowSmite "Pro choice movement does not advocate abortion [...] You will never hear pro choicer suggesting what's best for the pregnant woman."
Really? How does the movement vet and censor its members?: google. com/search?q="i+am+pro+abortion"
487,000 hits, including this one: "I am Pro-abortion for rape"
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...Not very well?
hitssquad 1 year ago
In the end that lady was still fired and planned parenthood was doing its best to save face. I guess PP and the news outlets are just stupid and fall for "doctored" videos. Or maybe this video is doctored? :I
Rben20 1 year ago
@kenfo0 I don't believe in abortion. But since I have a penis much like yourself I see myself as having no say in the matter of a woman's reproductive system. By your logic it would be okay for a woman to tell me to castrate myself
bigkon420 1 year ago
@bigkon420 you penis-less wonder: murdering a baby and castration have no relation to one another. No one is saying "women must be sterilized against their will". You proved yourself a dumbass. now zip it, tard.
kenfo0 8 months ago
He's so cute. I can smell the burning strawmen from here. Anyone else wish kenfo0's mom's abortion hadn't failed? LET'S ALL GO MURDER SOME BABIES PEOPLE, IT'S SO MUCH FUN.
Bardlettt 1 year ago
What an absolute load of shit. Have these people NOTHING meaningful to do with their pitiful existence? SMH
M0US3P0T4TO 1 year ago 2
Thanks for this info. Faved and subbed.
phenixwryter 1 year ago
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I expect somebody thought this was damning? so far all I can tell is that they didn't want to bore you with the full video.
AnimatedSteve 1 year ago
OMG I fucking love you!
Divinity33372 1 year ago
Abortion is supported in the bible. There is even instructions on how to do it. Numbers 5:12-28. Check it out. Gods cool with abortion.
Richardisdorky 1 year ago
@kenfo0 LMAO you are so unhinged it's actually fun pulling your string to watch you spin around the room.
My post wasn't a "viewpoint", it was facts pulled from Reuters News Service.
Your posts are rambling nonsense about things no one even said, frosted with the usual spam about teh socialism and teh leftist and teh communism. Oh, and teh athiest...
Which exposes your agenda right there. You are merely another religious extremist trying to force your agenda on us all.
Go to hell.
getplaning 1 year ago 3
@getplaning nice try loser. you didn't post one fact in this last post, just like any other. you ramble, while claiming I ramble. THE VAST MAJORITY OF ABORTIONS ARE OF CONVENIENCE. That is known as a "fact". AS SOON AS A HUMAN EGG IS FERTILIZED BY HUMAN SPERM, WHAT RESULTS IS ALWAYS A HUMAN, NEVER A COCONUT OR ANT OR DOG. This is known as "fact". Your "facts": "yer dumm an goe two hell". WOW! what intellect. You are a scumbag and loser.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 Here's a fact for you, asshole...Hitler banned abortions, which makes you the Nazi, not us.
getplaning 1 year ago 30
@getplaning Except certain ones...
drhu 1 year ago
@getplaning metacafe(dot)com/watch/3200794/abortion_nazi_ideology_of_lebensunwertes_leben_life_unworthy_of_life_video/
drhu 1 year ago
@getplaning Wow, umm no they didn't ban abortions. They made laws which they never enforced which tried to prevent Aryan women from having abortions and baned women who were involved in the Liebensborn program to breed race pure German citizens from having them. Also they tried to put a ban in place in 1943 that was not enforced.
Stranage how they introduced legal abortion to Poland once they took over..
But yeah keep yelling Nazi and people will gravitate to your rational arguments.
EasyEs 10 months ago
@getplaning Hitler banned abortions....oh well then that makes up for all that nasty stuff he did then eh!
davidn87 10 months ago
@getplaning so what you are saying is if say i like tasty cakes and apparently Hitler liked tastey cakes that makes me a Nazi
jfabproductions 9 months ago
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Live Action says it has an unedited version for you to see on their site. How many have checked it out?
kenfo0 1 year ago
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There wasnt anything fake about that Richmond Pimp guy getting help @ Planned Parenthood.
Time is near that this scourge on decent society that is abortion will be vanquished from the U.S. Life has no meaning anymore. Another baby today was found in a toilet in New Jersey, that Philadelphia doctor who performed over 100 late term abortions arrested a few weeks ago with babies literally thrown in zip lock backs and mothers left to bleed out on his couch while recovering.
That is Choice?
GuardianAngel5150 1 year ago
@GuardianAngel5150 Excuse me, but you do realise that if you ban abortion you will get a lot more of such stories right...
The number of women in my country who suffered from various internal damage or even died because of illegally performed abortions was staggering before abortion was made legal and free.
Today?
To few to even be able to count.
And to use people committing illegal acts as an argument for abolishing the legal abortions?
That argument is simply nonsens!
auritone 1 year ago 3
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@auritone But the argument is nonsensical. It follows that "burglars get hurt because they have to climb in second story windows and sometimes fall, so you should leave your door unlocked or make burglary legal.". here's a novel idea: don't have an abortion. the only real debate would revolve around rape/incest/health of mother, which account for less than 1%, and so is NOT to be the basis for a rule.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 Did you know that it requires DNA testing to tell the difference between zygotes of various viviparous vertebrates in order to distinguish them apart.
You looked just like a fish did in its appropriate stage in development.
If a human zygote is a actual "human being", but yet indistinguishable from any other viviparous vertebrate animals zygote, why are you not trying to preserve those animals before they are born?
Why is it okay to kill the adult but not the zygote?
XenMonkey13 1 year ago
@Xen and yet, if you know as much about biology and genetics as you purport, you know what you just said does not matter and that I am correct: once a human egg is fertilized by a human sperm, it has the entire human genome. What develops is NEVER some OTHER vertebrate, or a coconut or a chicken. The phenomenon you are quoting in your post is called "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny". It does not change what I said at all. I never said it was ok for individuals to arbitrarily kill adults.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 I could scrape some skin off my ass and grow that into a person too; after all, it has all the DNA. Does that mean it should be against the law for anybody to wipe their ass in case we accidently flush a few cells? Is a diseased blastula really so much more important to you than a living woman with living children that we need to make blanket laws concerning abortion? Because THAT is killing adults, even if it's passive as fuck.
Bardlettt 1 year ago
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@Bar Your reply is that of an insolent, uneducated child. You think you are brilliant, but are not. "Scraping skin off your ass" NEVER results in a human being. Sorry loser. You have failed MISERABLY. "Is a diseased blastula..."....who said anything about diseased blastulae? No one. How is the "living woman" in any danger? You are vague and emotional because you cannot construct a logical argument. YOU are the one who supports "blanket laws"...you want abortion on demand for ANY reason.
kenfo0 1 year ago
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@Bardlettt You irrational leftists are all the same: you take 1/2 or 1% and pretend that is the common circumstance. Every law has caveats, and abortion laws may need them too. Instead, you rant irrationally and pretend the exception is the rule. Lastly "that is killing adults...": I am not aware that in modern society, pregnancy is a death sentence. Cancer isn't even a death sentence any more, making your argument all the more absurd. Why can't you just be honest in your debate?
kenfo0 1 year ago
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@Bardlettt , who said "I could scrape some skin off my ass and grow that into a person too;"
Isn't that how you were born?
tinnitischannel 1 year ago
@kenfo0
An acorn contains the oak tree genome. Yet it isn't an oak tree. Any cell has the genome in it. So stop using this silly straw man that we are saying it's from another species when that isn't the case, and you know it.
Stop trying to conflate every stage of development with a baby that can survive outside the mother. Furthermore it's not the government's job to enforce your opinion.
sonnygll 1 year ago 2
@sonnygll Sorry, not a strawman at all. It is not immoral to kill an oak tree....we do it every day for heat, shelter, furniture, etc. Nice strawmen, nancy.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0
Morality has nothing to do with it. That's just an analogy. If it does not have the brain development to have any chance of being sentient, it's not a person. It's also not the governments business to criminalize something based on the opinions of a bunch of superstitious savages.
sonnygll 1 year ago 3
@kenfo0 You made a coment to my answer to GuardianAngel5150 - though it's nowhere to be seen now, I will answer it anyway.
Actually, saying that people should just stop having abortions is simply closing your eyes to reality.
And, really, the burglar parallel is exactly what you argue for if illegal abortions is used as reasoning for abolishing legal abortions.
Would you abolish car-ownership in general because some people drive drunk?
No, it doesn't make sense!
auritone 1 year ago 2
I guess this is why Planned Parenthood announced today that they launching a national retraining program of all of their staff so that all of them will be obeying the law as well as guidelines that PP agreed to as a condition of rec. federal tax dollars .
These are not isolated incidents .
spacepete2000 1 year ago
@spacepete2000
This is not common at all*(acts in video that is, the first wasnt ok, the rest are actually great), the training is probably a guy to come in for one hour to reinforce rules and regulations, all companies do this at some point after one employee is bad.
eatbetter 1 year ago
Perhaps it is "convenient for the mother" to terminate a pregnancy the complications of which might just kill her so she can live to try again. You idiots think this is a decision made on a whim. Fuck you, and fuck everyone who thinks like you.
Wrenchbender412i 1 year ago 9
@Wrenchbender412i I have never known anyone who was in a predicament like that. Nor have I ever heard that from anyone I know. That is always the trumpet call of the left.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu Even though you have never known anyone who was in this predicament, you think you are some kind or authority on it?
This is always the clarion call of the right. "I don't know a damn thing, but I still want to tell YOU how to act."
I'm glad you people are dying out, but the day you are finally gone can't come soon enough.
Wrenchbender412i 1 year ago 24
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@Wrenchbender412i Nobody dying out son.
You have been fed a load of shit and you are making sandwiches. with chocolate milk.
Grow up and get some life experience.
drhu 1 year ago
@Wrenchbender412i He thinks he's an authority on everything, typical drooling wingnut.
Regressive morons like him are dying out, the younger generations have far less backward thinking and know how bad for humanity and the planet right wing corporatism is.
drhu is a coward and a troll, he's told many to grow up lately, but he's got the mentality of a four year old.
Resident troll coward, he supports right wing domestic terrorist that kill abortion doctors, he's a birther and a Bircher as well!
Neoconhater 1 year ago 8
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@Neoconhater You see Neo here doesn't like my generation because WE REMEMBER. So no matter how he tries to repaint history there will be those of us who know better. He really wants us to shut up but he will have to arrange a hit to get that to happen.
He and others here were licking their lips watching Egypt. Progressives hit the streets with Code Pink calling for revolution like in Egypt.
Remember 1979 in Iran? I do.
drhu 1 year ago
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@Wrenchbender412i Nobody is dying otu son.
You have been fed a bunch of shit and you are making sandwiches.
Hope you gain some life experience soon.
drhu 1 year ago
@Wrenchbender412i how are the prolifers dying out when it's the prochoicers having the abortions?
dawnmarie0817 11 months ago
@electango Then tell us what caused the deaths of so many pregnant women following the ban on abortions...
getplaning 1 year ago 9
@Pangolinx1 Ref. doctor and edit audio This is a complete bare assertion. You are claiming these people quote mined. Prove your claim that this was a QUOTE MINE! Pretty please, with sugar on top, show where this happened. We all understand your response will be mere *crickets. No quote mining happened here. She ACTUALLY said those things IN CONTEXT.
Are you saying bugging people are wrong? You're argument is with the Patriot Act then. Your government is criminal. Go Live Action!! Go Wikileaks!
dmarvin811 1 year ago
Check out what really happens:
youtube video o5nL2j2B9W0 at time 2:20
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The in picture video are different.
Now check: liveaction blog richmond-virginia-planned-parenthood-clinic-shows-willingness-to-aid-and-abet-sexual-exploitation-of-minors at time 9:44 and 10:54
Let me know what you think
bkuehlhorn 1 year ago
Ok, lets examine this. Please, no appeals to emotion or straw man arguments. Just state why abortion should be criminalized and why your opinion on the beginning of life is more valid than other people's opinions. Also tell me what you think the penalty should be for a woman getting an abortion and if there are any exceptions. Let's give your theory a fair shake.
I offered this sort of thing to 2 people who declined. This is open to all.
sonnygll 1 year ago 2
@sonnygll I haven't DECLINEd I have a life. When I get a minute I will reply.
drhu 1 year ago
@sonnygll I am not looking to penalize anyone. Why on earth? What purpose would it serve?
Roe v Wade became law in 1973 and the very woman it centered around regrets aborting her child and having anything to do with the law. I have had the argument given to me that we MUST have abortions because we can't feed everyone. My viewpoint is you could well abort the person with the eventual solution. One of the things that made me realize I was not liberal is I have NEVER agreed with the practice.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu
You don't want to penalize anyone? Do you even want to criminalize it then?
Those arguments are ridiculous. Nothing but a straw man. We can feed everyone, and abortion is NEVER done for that reason and no liberal thinks so.
I think a woman has a right to do with her body as she wishes. It also is none of the governments business. Furthermore black markets cause nothing but problems.
Women abort unintentional pregnancies, and for medical reasons. THAT IS IT. No other reason.
sonnygll 1 year ago
@sonnygll You need to look back through and see the conxersation earlier. I most certainly was told all that.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu
I don't care what some moron told you. At least half of people are dumb as a box of rocks. Intelligence does skew to the left, but there are PLENTY of liberals that are really dumb too. Every group has idiots in it.
The fact remains that those aren't valid arguments, and I would tell anyone who used them they are stupid.
This isn't the government's business. It's as simple as that.
sonnygll 1 year ago
@sonnygll Aborting a child is punishment enough. Ask someone who has done so.
All the technical discussions in the world don't alter the fact that a fetus is a developing child.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu
I agree. It's never pleasant. That's why we need to reduce unintended pregnancy.
Note you said "developing child". It's not a child yet. That's the difference. You know it's different too. That's why you wouldn't want to try them for murder. You know that wouldn't be right.
I think you actually agree with me. I think the problem is, that you think we enjoy killing fetuses or some crazy thing like that. That's just no so. Reduction through prevention is the key.
sonnygll 1 year ago
@sonnygll No..see it's this.....I go off my F-----ing rocker with splitting hairs over the development. It will be a child. Most of the characters here have none and won't for a bit. You can tell by their conversation. It's like prohibition. People are people and will do it. Try to get the left to do abstinence and that's when the Christian Taliban crap starts.
Because you know...it's party time...and you know they have been taught the are just monkeys so who cares right? Education.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu
The development of the brain is not splitting heirs.
Abstinence does not work. It just leads to higher pregnancy rates because people eventually have sex and use no protection. Where as comprehensive education is much more effective.
We certainly are not monkeys. We are in an entirely different part of the primate family. We are hominids, to be exact.
sonnygll 1 year ago
@sonnygll I don't do this subject well because I don't like wasting life in the manner many want. Just as much as I get called "Christian Taliban" I find their attitudes towards people and whether their offspring of value HIGHLY offensive. That is using ethnic and class judgements that also put lie to the compassionate liberal.
drhu 1 year ago
@sonnygll See by my viewpoint the heartless ones are the ones who act as though none of them matter. They don't think past the end of their sexual organ. And there are those who don't want you trying to convince them otherwise either.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu
No that is not it. Nobody takes it lightly or thinks it doesn't matter. Other peoples reproductive system just aren't something anyone elses opinion applies to. That's all there is to it.
sonnygll 1 year ago
@sonnygll I don't give a damn about thier genitalia. i give a damn about their juvenile(and that encouraged)attitude towards the results.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu
genitals are only part of the reproductive system. To be more specific, the uterus is nobody elses concern.
sonnygll 1 year ago
@sonnygll Ok you like to get real technical when I am very certain you know what I mean and why.
And you know I don't want to put anyone in jail. A little education in responsibility would be great but of course that' politically incorrect.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu
I imagine you believe in a soul, so sentience doesn't matter to you. Some people believe the soul happens at birth. I have seen no such evidence and therefore have no reason to believe that.
Nothing wrong with responsibility. Other than not using racial insults, political correctness is stupid. Only the authoritarian left has any use for that.
See if you don't want to put anyone in jail, then you think it is different too. Which is one point I was trying to get at.
sonnygll 1 year ago
@drhu Norma McCorvey aka Jane Roe never had an abortion.
GuinnessGrrl 1 year ago
@GuinnessGrrl Misspoke. She did however attempt to.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu But you agree with the practice of killing doctors.
Typical delusional drooling wingnut.
Hypocrites like you are the base of the tea bagger republican party. You hate abortion, claim you love life, but cheerlead for the murder of doctors and all sorts of right wing domestic terror.
Makaeff 1 year ago 2
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@Makaeff No where I am aware of have I advocated killing abortion doctors. I suggest you show the place I did that. Otherwise you are a balloon juice dealer.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu "No where I am aware of have I advocated killing abortion doctors."
Are you sure? If we tax abortion-doctors to pay for the care of DS people, we are thereby killing abortion-doctors. See: w w w. phyast. pitt. edu/~blc/book/chapter8. html "Another aspect of understanding risk is to consider what we are doing — or deciding not to do — to reduce our risks. Surely it is unreasonable to spend a lot of money to reduce one risk if we can much more cheaply reduce a greater risk"
hitssquad 1 year ago
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@hitssquad Congratulations....you just hit the idiot zone.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu You have defended all your right wing domestic terrorist pals that have murdered doctors repeatedly.
Makaeff 1 year ago 3
@Makaeff drhu has been jumping for joy when another abortion doctor is murdered.
He lies when he claims otherwise. And then he throws out insults and wonders why everyone thinks he's a jerk.
drhu was here saying Tiller needed to be killed just like all his heroes at Fox.
Neoconhater 1 year ago 3
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@Neoconhater Another?? All I ever here about is Tiller. Which other?
drhu 1 year ago
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@Makaeff Where? Direct us to it.
drhu 1 year ago
@sonnygll It seems to insult the intelligence to suggest that the union of sperm and egg is not a human.
What is it...a rock....a bird? Yes I know the term is fetus.
Try killing an animal fetus and see where you wind up.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu "Try killing an animal fetus and see where you wind up."
Usually at breakfast. I get naturally raised eggs. Occasionally you'll see the little blood spot.
Pangolinx1 1 year ago
@Pangolinx1 That's not what I meant and you know it.
drhu 1 year ago
@drhu
It's not. For the same reason an Acorn isn't an oak tree.
No it starts out as a single cell, it keeps dividing over a period of time. First it's a zygote, then an embryo and then a fetus. By the time a fetus has the brain development to have any possibility of self awareness, it is beginning the third trimester. At this point there ARE NO ELECTIVE ABORTIONS. It's always for medical reasons. Sometimes it's done only because the baby died and they have to remove the body.
sonnygll 1 year ago
@sonnygll Abortion should be legal up until the appropriate term would be caesarean. Later in medical cases threatening maternal morbidity.
A woman who does not want to harbor a fetus should not; period. No exceptions.
If a prematurely removed fetus is viable the state could choose to take on the burden of care; at it's own expense.
Early violent termination of a pregnancy by a third party could have criminal penalties but not, murder or manslaughter as those are reserved for born persons.
Pangolinx1 1 year ago
@Pangolinx1
That's the same position I hold. I agree with all of the above. Now if only the other side could lay there's out in the same manner.......
sonnygll 1 year ago
@electango An outright ban on abortion in Nicaragua has caused the deaths of at least 89 women per month since it was imposed in September 2006. In Mexico, the numbers are even greater. Your argument against abortion is a political one, laced with references to Marxism and George Soros. You are just another irrational dittohead with nothing better to do than interfere in the lives of the grown-ups. Go away.
getplaning 1 year ago 22
@getplaning
These right wing trolls just regurgitate whatever the Faux fast food 'news' talking heads tell them to think each week. One week it's bullshit about Acorn, another week it's Tides foundation, this week it's Credo mobile and Planned Parenthood.
Indeed, any organisation that actually does good in this country is under attack by the right wing.
I'm surprised these gun nuts aren't all running around with GLock 9s taking out the targets they've been instructed to remove.
geffel 1 year ago 2
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@geffel Neo how many accounts do you have?
drhu 1 year ago
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@getplaning The ban on Nicaragua abortions did not cause the deaths of any women. Quit lying.
electango 1 year ago
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@getplaning YOUR viewpoint is irrational. "If someone doesn't want a baby, they shouldn't have to have one.". So if someone runs up huge debts then says "I don't feel like paying.", you advocate they have no responsibility. It is EXACTLY the same issue. "But...but they don't have the resources to pay!". So? Don't run up the debt. Same with sex/abortion. You are simply trying to move downstream from your immoral position that everyone, at any age, should have sex and NOT be responsible.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 Why is it your business, to be involved in someone else's personal situation? How does the personal decision of another person affect you in any way?
MrROLLO70 1 year ago
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@MrROLLO70 Again, irrational, and your argument flies in the face of reality. Why is it anyones business if someone tells their children they are worthless and will never amount to anything? We call it "child abuse" in decent society, and yet it really is none of your business. We have laws against people chopping off their own body parts. Again, none of your business. And yet reasonable, decent people know it IS our business. Protecting life is a responsibility. To you, it is a nuisance.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 What are you talking about? WHY IS IT YOUR BUSINESS, TO BE INVOLVED IN SOMEONE ELSE'S PERSONAL SITUATION? HOW DOES THE PERSONAL DECISION OF ANOTHER PERSON AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY? Why won't you answer those 2 questions?
MrROLLO70 1 year ago
@kenfo0 Yeah, you heard him girls, if your grandpapa puts his debt in you, it's your debt now, so you better pay for what your twelve year old self let him do! And older ladies with debt -if one debt is going to kill you before you can pay it off, regardless of the three other little debts you have at home already paid and living with you, you better hang on to that debt and keep paying it until you die or you're evil. Wait...are we still talking about the same issue?
Bardlettt 1 year ago
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@Bardlettt Out of the MILLIONS of abortions on demand, give everyone the number from rape. You can't. You are a jackass and loser who throws out cute sound bites as if an argument. You've made no argument. We don't make rules in society based on the tiniest minority of circumstances. We don't say "it's ok to shoot someone if you think they MIGHT hurt you, because 1/1000% of interactions end in rape or murder". Grow up you ass. The issue is responsiblity...hard for a whiny leftist to grasp.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 I PM'd it to you, but I'll post it here as well. 32,000 a year. 4.5%. And those are just the ones who aren't too ashamed or terrified to report it. I find it interesting that your replies seem to disappear. Maybe it's a lefty conspiracy, because you seem to think any supporting data given to you on the subject is "leftist" or "atheist" propaganda. I'll tell you what, let me know where you live and I'm going to implant a fetus in you while you sleep. Asshole.
Bardlettt 1 year ago 3
@Bardlettt Hi, stupid bitch. you didn't "pm" anything, nor did you respond to what I wrote, making you a liar. shocking? hardly. you haven't supplied ANY "supporting data", dumbass. You've simply stated something as fact w/o reference to a impartial, non-politicized source, then pretended the data MUST be more extreme. LYou have proven your case: your case being you are an immoral, arrogantly stupid asshole. Well done, you pig.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 Worst troll ever. Reaaallllly wish your mother had aborted you. Is "liar" "liberal" "asshole" and "pig" your idea of an argument? My data came from the US census. Where exactly are your references? Remember, Jesus doesn't count. Why don't you stay the fuck away from my uterus. You have no place imposing legislature on my body. Thanks, have a nice day.
Bardlettt 1 year ago
@Bardlettt You've not presented reasoned "argument". You've stated opinion as fact. You've failed in basic logic and analogy exercises. You are a mean-spirited, black-hearted whore. "wish your mother aborted you"....this shows your black soul. As much as I think you despicable, I would not wish you harm. That is the difference btwn moral and immoral, me an you. You're data does NOT come from the census. Your data is leftist B.S. I want nothing to do with your putrid, filthy, diseased uterus.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 You know nothing of me, but your more than willing to assume I'm leftist and for all abortion. You have no data of your own, yet demand it from others. I don't have a soul, because the soul does not exist, it's merely something arrogant assholes like yourself make up so that you can feel important. You want nothing to do with my uterus, you can stop making laws telling me what I can and cannot do with it. Feel free to call me some more names, I'm done with your trolling.
Bardlettt 1 year ago
@Bardlettt You've stated, unequivocally, through YOUR words, your opinion of abortion. You have LIED, pretending to be responding to something I wrote, when you know that is a lie. You pull stats out of you azz, then claim "yer dumm if u doughnt baleve". You've had an insolent, nasty tone from the very beginning. You have shown you can't follow a simple analogy. You've said "f-u" and "a-hole" before I got nasty. YOU mentioned your stinking, filthy, scummy uterus. (cont)
kenfo0 1 year ago
@Bardlettt (cont) I wouldn't let my worst enemy touch it with a ten foot pole. I HAVE posted FACT: the VAST MAJORITY of abortions are for "convenience", not "rape". As I said before, in plain English, you uneducated whore, that there are LOTS of laws 'on our bodies" in a civilized world. The fact you WANT to murder babies proves you UN-civilized and a disgusting pig. I return to you, what YOU have put forth, filthy bitch. You'll remember this when you are forty, saddened by your murders.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 ~~> LMAO... Quite the judgemental one arn't we... My question is, why do you care what someone elce does with thier unwanted child?? Are you going to raise it?? Are you a awelfare supporter?? Do you foster aids & crack babies?? What about all the starving children in Africa?? Are you sending your green to feed them?? Its as simple as this... MY BODY MY BUSINESS... I am the one who must stand before my maker to be judged... Judgement is not your sayith tha Lord...
sparkyj99 1 year ago
@kenfo0 Pop Quiz! When you call someone an "uneducated whore," you have: a) made plain the quality of your character, b) conceded that you have no real argument to make, c) demonstrated that you are sexist, or d) all of the above. Folks - I think we have a real gem here.
M0US3P0T4TO 1 year ago
@M0US3P0T4TO He's already made the point he's sexist, though not through name-calling. Apparently, one is either for ALL abortion, or against all abortion, and I'm a filthy whore for thinking raped children and ectopic pregnancies should have an exception. Apparently the majority is all that matters, and this person has no idea what being an American means. So it's more important to protect every clump of cells, but grown women should die.
Bardlettt 1 year ago
@M0US funny you don't apply the same "value system" to 'bardlettt', isn't it? She advocates murdering babies for convenience sake while pretending most abortions are because of rape, which is patently absurd. I've made a clear, concise, factual argument. Had you read my posts on this page you'd know that. Instead, like most empty, immaturely emotive, uneducated leftists, you do not consider anything that has not been spoon fed to you by other leftists, and think your comment "witty".
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 I'm aborting one right now! YAY I LOVE BEING A LIBERAL!
Bardlettt 1 year ago
@Bardlettt You simply continue you prove yourself an ass. Your comment is not witty or interesting, although you clearly think it is the height of intellectualism. You have nothing to say, other than "my morality is based upon my convenience", which is bankrupt. You can keep replying as you did above, proving yourself a dolt. Doesn't bother me. You can keep pretending that the tiniest exception makes it ok to murder babies for "convenience's sake". That's all you've written...
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 32,000 a year is tiny? And WOW GLAD YOU PICKED UP ON MY BEING AN ASS. I was doing it on purpose, because trying to explain a position between all abortions and no abortions to you is like pounding my head against a brick wall. We get it, since a lot of women have abortions because they fucked up with birth control or WHATEVER, you think 32,000 women should have to birth rapist babies, and more should die from pregnancy complications. They're not your babies, you're not a woman, so STFU.
Bardlettt 1 year ago
@M0US3P0T4TO sexist? nice try, loser. just like you leftists to toss out the vague, unsupportable insults. disagree with President Obama's policies? RACIST!!! Disagree with leftists shouting down public speakers? NAZI!!! How pathetic. -I think we have a real gem here.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 I have never met a real life telepathic person before - I am in awe of your ability to read minds over the internet(s off).You have assumed all manner of things about me based on my rebuttal to the rude, factually inaccurate, and just plain stupid things you said/. It sounds to me like you are the one interested in shouting down opinions which do not concur with your own. I shan't be wasting any more of my time on an obvious troll. Enjoy your willful ignorance and blatant hypocrisy.
M0US3P0T4TO 1 year ago
@kenfo0 Are you still talking? Come back when you have a valid opinion.
Bardlettt 1 year ago
@Bardlettt Why do you continue? You have failed miserably and shown your ugly nature. This last post in particular shows you have nothing to say and cannot respond to clear, concise FACTS I've posted, such as you base your advocacy on the tiniest exceptional event, not on the reality that THE VAST MAJORITY OF ABORTIONS ARE FOR 'CONVENIENCE'. You will regret your actions when you get older, and you will remember this conversation, I assure you.
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Get raped!
Bardlettt 1 year ago 9
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@Bar awwww....that's all the stupid, immoral little leftist can say :"WAAAH! I can't respond to fact, so like the typical leftist scumbag, I say "yer uh ass an stoopid an awl....". I'm still waiting, you black-souled bitch, how (it's not true, but we'll use your lie) 4.5% of abortions make the rest moral? In other words, abortion on demand is ok because 4.5 in 100 are related to rape. This makes you at best a moron, at worst, an evil scumbag. Perhaps you can respond w/more illogical chants?
kenfo0 1 year ago
@kenfo0 Where did I say it makes the rest moral? Where? Oh right, nowhere. You're the immoral fuck who's saying because two dumb bitches abort their babies for "no good reason" a ten year old has to birth her granddaddy's baby. Read my fucking comments before you get on your knees and beg me to respond.
Bardlettt 1 year ago 4
@kenfo0 Oh god damn it, i just stamble thru youtube and then i find you Fuck again!
Wrongstatementsclear 8 months ago
@Wrongstatementsclear you are a stalker and queer, lujustice1. figures an immoral, psycho retard like you would be here demanding the murder of babies, you scumbag. Don't you have some "brayne serjury" to do today? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (i'm laughing AT you, not WITH you).
kenfo0 8 months ago
@kenfo0 Neurosurgeants do brain Surgery you Fag.
Wrongstatementsclear 8 months ago
@kenfo0 My viewpoint is factual. Yours is a rambling ejaculation of nonsense about debts, morality, and, as another poster put it, sticking your nose where it doesn't belong.
It is intrusive, judgemental, pious people like you who are the nuisance. Go away.
getplaning 1 year ago 3