Nihon Heiho Toyama Ryu Battoujutsu Demonstration

[waravengerdm]

He has amazing skills. Im proud to be a Soga like  him. But instead, i live in Brazil.. How old is this video?

[loctos123]

this guys good... but this is not battojutsu...

[curlywolf]

@loctos123 Thanks for the two comments. However you only got one of them right. Thanks!

[loctos123]

@curlywolf which one?

[doggyfishman]

battojutsu is when the sword is unseathed and then an attack in the same movement. still good vid

[theaznkid92]

@doggyfishman incorrect, battoujutsu and iaido both involve unsheathing, but the first cut that you describe is rarely the finishing attack. generally, that strike is to either stun or knock back the opponent, who is then to be finished by a strike, typically the jodan or migi-kesa. please get your facts straight before judging others based on anime.

[AidanDelano]

@theaznkid92 If you're going to advise him not to judge based on anime, do be sure not to judge him in return as he mentioned nothing about anime.

[oOAndrewsOo]

samurais today!the best company for you to get gardening!

[furtifjh]

You told about Kenshin xD

Hitten Mitsurugi ryu ain't so bad. Kenshin could destroy everybody ^^ No ! His Master would.

[Kunstdesfechtens]

When was this done?

[makotomikami]

dontcha think he's a tad old to be cosplaying??

[Devoti]

btw. what is this song?

[Devoti]

i love this video, he is very good :)

[Runermanyoyo]

nice video.

The thing is, its not battoujutsu

Battoujutsu strikes are normally not from above, they usually come implemented in the unsheathing move, so that the unsheathing and slashing come in the same movement.

[curlywolf]

thanks for the comments. i'll be sure to let my sensei know (the one in the video).

[Runermanyoyo]

... well, check out the Ogawa Ryu Battoujutsu video if u dotn believe me.

BTW , my sensei is in the Ogawa ryu video ;)

[curlywolf]

oh no, i believe you. there's no need for me to go check out something as solid as Ogawa Ryu. thanks again!

[Iaazathoth]

@Runermanyoyo Unfortunately Ogawa ryu is made up and cobbled together. There is NO Ogawa Ryu in Japan.

Though some of its practitioners seem skilled in some things. It is easy for someone with koryu training to pick out where they obtained their material and stitched it together.

This is Toyama Ryu Battodo. It has it's verified history. Ogawa ryu does not.

[Runermanyoyo]

@Iaazathoth meh idc .

[KnightlySirJames1]

@Iaazathoth

I always get nervous when someone comments on the history of another persons art. Especially when they say there's no such thing... proving a neg is very difficult, if not impossible.

I know of and believe the legitimacy of Toyama Ryu, so it's not even about a competition between styles. Just a comment on the respect due differing styles. Ogawa Ryu presents its history in vids available on YouTube, so who do we believe? YOU as a critic, or them, when they offer their history?

[sopppa]

thats iaijutsu, the unshealth-strike technique the Battou techiniques are more involved in fluid strikes after the unsheath

[Devoti]

Toyama Ryu is battodo... what you're saying is like saying seitei isn't iaido. I practice battodo that derives from this style >:(

[DikkiSeamen]

WHAT SONG IS THIS??..tell me pls :)

[curlywolf]

go down about 5 comments!!!

[DikkiSeamen]

tnx :)

[ff92345]

I love Rurouni Kenshin. Great show and great movies :D I also love martial arts, and really applying yourself to practicing is a great balance with that 'anime fantasy world.' Soyen Shaku said "Have the fearless attitude of a hero and the loving heart of a child." So a healthy dose of magic, if you will, seems to go hand-in-hand with "ordinary reality," e.g. the discipline and mastery demonstrated here resulting from years of practice and sincere application to the art.

[ff92345]

I'm afraid I'm not making much sense D: This really is a beautiful video, though! Thank you very much for sharing it, and I hope that more and more people can open their eyes to the value behind training in these -- and all -- arts.

Fantasies of being a hero can inspire kids to practice, and that's great; all the better when it's revealed that the magic lies in the state of being you achieve after years of discipline and training. Great, great post; again, thanks for sharing.

[yulyx]

Hello again curlywolf. This time i have a request. What is the name and artist of the song u are using here ?

Thx :)

[curlywolf]

-it's from Yoshida Brothers III:Brian Eno's By This River featuring vocals delivered by former Remy Zero frontman Cinjin Tate.

[yulyx]

Thx alot !

[yulyx]

curlywolf: I'm not sure what u meant on ur last comment but the title of this video is misleading. He is not doing battojutsu... maybe some tameshigiri mixed with some kenjutsu but deffinetly NOT battojutsu. I am a battojutsu practitioner so i know what im talking about.

Anyway nice video all-the-same :)

[curlywolf]

Thanks for your comment and I've changed the name to what my sensei, the man in this video, calls his art. I'll say it again. battojitsu is what all the runoru somethign or other kenshi anime fans have been crying about. but it's also the name attached to a skillset. a name attached to an "art". Toyama Ryu Battodo/Battojitsu is the name of NAkamura Sensei's art. There are two ore more kata demonstrated here from that art. Take care.

[yulyx]

Respect. I know about Nakamura-ha. I'm not talking through the anime perspective...

Battojutsu is made of 2 words: batto (the art of draw and cut) and jutsu (this resembles koryu nujutsu or old style martial art, dating before the meiji restoration and consequently being an art to kill). Bujutsu is a very very strong word in japan. Battojutsu, through the maiji restoration, has become iaido, an art of finding self balance and confidence but not much more.

[yulyx]

That is koryu bujutsu, not nujutsu sry :P

[curlywolf]

yeah at first i thoguht you said ninjitsu! haha

[curlywolf]

yup. i know what battojutsu means. i'm in japan, speak japanese, and the man in the video is my current sensei. and since the meiji restoration, the main people behind Toyama Ryu have tried to make it more iaido-ish. but we're back to just saying the word battojitsu means (dictionary meaning). But i'm not using it in that context. in this case it's being used in the name of an overall -do or -jitsu or system. so the 500 times people have tried to define the word "batto" is not needed.

[yulyx]

My school, Takeda Ryu, incorporates 4 koryu bujutsu the main being Mugai Ryu, founded a long time ago in Aizu.

Btw pls don't take my comment as offensive or preachy. I rly appreciate you posting this video and i might be able to post a video response in the future.

Take care and thx.

[curlywolf]

no offense taken. i have looked into Takeda Ryu because a city i might move to (kisarazu in Chiba) only teaches Takeda Ryu Bujutsu. And I have actually been looking for a Mugai Ryu dojo. And Aizu is an awesome city. i've been there several times. Can you point to any good Takeda Ryu videos on youtube?

[yulyx]

Frankly speaking theres isnt any takeda ryu battojutsu video on youtube. There are some iaido and aikijutsu tho. If you want to find real battojutsu u will have to search alot, and u certainly wont find it on youtube. Masters who teach battojutsu dont put their videos on youtube, and their students know they are not allowed to.

[curlywolf]

oh i see... stay safe and don't break any blood oaths! take it easy.

[tarrker]

the "Scabbard-Skill" is such an elegant form. I've only ever known Iaido, myself. Still; I feel very lucky and privileged to have an uncle that can teach me skills with a Japanese blade.

[A1R3D3E7]

damn... i thought battoujutsu meant you draw your sword at insane speed from its sheat and with one slash cut it up... is there any move like that?

[curlywolf]

yes. in fact i just put up a clip of sensei teaching that cut. but "battojutsu" is deeper than just that one cut contrary to your favorite anime. thanks.

[Cheeta1020]

oh, 8th dan isnt the highest actaully. But nevertheless 8th dan is certaintley someone who knows what they're talking about

[curlywolf]

thanks for the comment. your are right Cheeta1020, it's not the "highest" BUT for all practical purposes it is the "highest" in the modern dan ranking system. Know what I mean? And within this context of "semantics" even a shodan but a native speaker wouldn't be worried too much about it.

[Narmo23]

I always thought battoujutsu was all about quick-drawing -- the act of unsheathing in order to get that needed acceleration for your slash.

Anime, videogames, and other non-real media have the above implication.

Kinda disheartening to see that real battoujutsu is just... ordinary..

P.S. Is that demos supposed to be epic? Because in all the high-level martial art tourneys I've attended, I've seen much more impressive demos than this one in regards to "proper kenjutsu"

[curlywolf]

thanks for your comment. please continue to enjoy high level martial art tourneys.

and once again, the word battojitsu like the word iaido literally refers to the drawing of the sword. the arts of battojitsu  and iaido are much deeper.

thanks again!

[curlywolf]

"Kinda disheartening to see that real battoujutsu is just... ordinary."

Kind of like finding the ugly truth behind the Tooth Fairy...

[curlywolf]

ahhh okk.. i just watched that animation about the sword guy that says battojutsu this and battojutsu that... you guys are funny. now i know what all the whining is about. good one.

[ToyoSupra1991]

u finally watched rurouni kenshin lol

[curlywolf]

yes and have gone a step further. i have some ruroni kenshin movie to watch. i'm excited!

[archillasamurai]

curly wolf you have my respect because both of us likes kenjutsu but i hardly think that was battoujutsu because i already told draw cut get rid of the blood on the blade and seal in less than a second and you cant do that in low speed this is the reason battoujutsu is one of the most dangerous arts to practice ever even the master are esposed to a leg cut or something so that wasn't battoujutsu take care

[ToyoSupra1991]

you dont even know me u fag you've probably never even held a katana so shut up and stop trying to act like you know a lot

[curlywolf]

OK. For the 1000th time. It is battojutsu.

1. Toyama Ryu is called battodo or battojutsu.

Basically, the words are interchangeable.

2. In this video, there are demonstrations of Toyama Ryu kata.

3. Thanks for your comment.

[69Techno69pt]

ahahah he is so fkin weak.

You call that Battoujutsu»? He only does some katas and cut bambu trees.

Even a white belt does that.

epic fail .

[curlywolf]

thanks for the comment.

[ToyoSupra1991]

its not just about how many bamboo trees he cuts its about his technique he is superb and battojutsu or as a matter of fact all kenjutso they dont use belts to determine rank

[69Techno69pt]

dude he takes 3/4 sec to draw his sword you call that battoujutsu? He is slow.

[ToyoSupra1991]

well technically he dosnt do any battoujutsu in this video but yeah he is doing it slow on purpose to show his technique

[69Techno69pt]

Then ask curlywolf to put that on video information. Because people expect something from this video that doesnt exist.

[DJgenesiis]

Yes but a white belt does not have his stance or accuracy or perfection.

[archillasamurai]

another moron

[curlywolf]

OK. For the 1000th time. It is battojutsu.

1. Toyama Ryu is called battodo or battojutsu.

Basically, the words are interchangeable.

2. In this video, there are demonstrations of Toyama Ryu kata.

3. Thanks for your comment.

[ToyoSupra1991]

no problem i just don't like how people argue that its not battojutsu people watch to much rurouni kenshin and think its just taking the sword out the sheath and its much more than that

[Cheeta1020]

I'll admit i'm a ruroni kenshin fan and was a bit confused by this video, but 8th Dan is high as high as a black belt can go if not the highest, it still is proof that this demo was done by 1 of the best REAL battojutsu experts you'll find.

[ToyoSupra1991]

yeah i think 9th dan is the highest

[archillasamurai]

you moron

[curlywolf]

OK. For the 1000th time. It is battojutsu.

1. Toyama Ryu is called battodo or battojutsu.

Basically, the words are interchangeable.

2. In this video, there are demonstrations of Toyama Ryu kata.

3. Thanks for your comment.

[archillasamurai]

you are alright this art means draw cut get rid of the blood of the blade and seal in less than a second

[DoomTritechnique]

2:31 is what you call succession strikes right

[ts00103726]

Excellent cuts! Great concentration Superb Precision and Smooth gyaku noto !

[Reingnus]

Its true... this is not Battojutsu at all, but yes its good tameshigiri, the truly power of a battojutsu is when you slay an opponent in one cut... that is the truly essence of it, and you cant sai I dont know what I talking because I am 3 Dan and I practise whit the sword a truly long time (I start when I have 5 years)

[curlywolf]

yes it is. thanks for the comment. and nobody said you don't know what you are talking about. peace.

[Jebaux]

lol this guy isn't doing a battoujutsu at all. what he is showing is what called "tameshigiri" or the way of cutting. battoujutsu involves the technique where u un-sheath, cut, and sheath a katana from its saya in one attack just what Kenshin Himura in the SamouraiX manga do, using his Hiten Hitsuruugi style.

[curlywolf]

another expert. thanks for the comment. remind me to ask Soga Sensei if he considers battojitsu to be a term that covers his entire art or not. oh that's right, it is and he does. and i'l have to study manga more. thanks.

[Jebaux]

not an expert dude. i am just implying the terms used. I would say that what Soga Sensei demonstrates here is a form of Iaido or Iaijutsu. They are actually interchangeable here in Japan but Iaido concentrates more on the "cutting" techniques (tameshigiri) rather than the sheating/unsheating moves taught by battoujutsu. Check out Ogawa Ryu san Battoujutsu videos, its better, yey!

[curlywolf]

well like i've said many times. only westerners are walking around with their dictionaries. the full name of Soga's art is Nihon Heiho Battojitsu. now if you want to go on and on about it, all native speakers agree, iaido/battodo/iaijitsu/battoji­tsu are pretty much the same things. when you get into koryu and gendai the meanings are different of course. anyway, thanks for the comments.

[69Techno69pt]

so true Jebaux

[macacocabessudo]

1:15 olha a pose do tiozao^^ HAuhsAUHSa ilario.

[cheeseqwer1234]

you spelled kyuushuu wrong

[osembrtlt]

no he didn't, considering it isn't an actual word in english you fag.

[cheeseqwer1234]

thata how you spell it in japanese

no need for such language

[curlywolf]

no, in Japanese you spell it like this 九州　or きゅうしゅう. Kyushu is how it is transliterated in most cases. but thanks for your comment. and just because you were being a little anal is no reason to resort to name calling. i agree.

[busterheihaa]

hmm.. i thought battojutsu was fast drawing.. drawing the sword with fast speed.. well, well

[TheNothingIsAll]

let me guess...you think anime is the real deal....lol

[busterheihaa]

hmm.. maybe.. but i know something that is the real deal.. and that is that i fucked your mom nine months before you were born

[TheNothingIsAll]

wow and you call me a fail kid...thats so 6th grade to use that fucking retarded comment about my mom...as if I dont know who my dad is . go shove an anime convetion sword up your stupid fat lazy dorky anime ass punk ass bitch.

[archillasamurai]

THATS IS A BETTER ONE

[archillasamurai]

JAJAJA A GOOD ONE

[busterheihaa]

oh.. and look here idiot

Battōjutsu (抜刀術?) is a Japanese term meaning techniques for drawing a sword

i guess you're one of the FAIL kids

[TheNothingIsAll]

I like how you have a fuckin ? mark in there...are you sure youre not a "fail kid" anime baby?

[archillasamurai]

BETTER ONE YOU ARE WINNING

[DragonSniper7]

you are right, it is a technique where a swordsmen draws his sword at insane speed.

But dont get it confused with anime, that can delude you to how fast people can actually draw it, theres really nothing "special" with real life lol. you can search around youtube i have seen a video where this guy draws his sword quite fast that it really is almost a blure to the eyes.

[busterheihaa]

yea.. but for people during samurai wars that actually survived a battojutsu attack would of course speak of that the guy that almost killed him is a god rofl...and then the rumours would spread and everyone would be speaking about how awesome that samurai was.. so there are som reality about the battojutsu and "god" like speed :P

[Rafroo]

pfft i can draw beams form my katana as i slash :P

[darkerbatosai]

I for one enjoyed the music very much :), and this was a great display of swordsmanship ^^

[superiorsantateresa]

Beautiful martial art. I love japanese culture.

[TikinhoKun]

what is diferent about battoujutsu relacioned with other techinques?

[MyoushinRyuNinjutsu]

To be safe, let's call it Kenjutsu sahll we? But for me, this is straight down Battoujutsu/Battoudo/Battourij­utsu/Battourido.

[curlywolf]

no, to be safe we do things like practice with wooden and dulled swords! just kidding. i just can't figure out why westerners are so anal about terminology when the people using the native language from an art's country of origin don't give a rat's ass!

[bigjames88]

This isnt a Master of Battoujutsu, just because hes movements are either slowed by the camera (Which I doubt) or he isnt as fast as he needs to be.

[curlywolf]

uhh.. ok. thanks for the insight.

[triggersenjou]

I liked the music, very unique.

曽我先生は三十さいいじょうにはみえませんね。ためしぎりはあい­かわらずじょうずですね。ウルフさんはれんしゅうしていますか。­きちの外人はクラスにきますか。がんばってね。

-Trigger

[curlywolf]

ありがとう。今　私は　れんしゅうしています。曽我先生は　私の　先生です。私は　少し　日本語を話します。

トリガーさんは　いま　曽我先生のでしですか？まえに？

またね！

[triggersenjou]

hai, Sogasensei wa ore no sensei deshita. kichi no naka de sensei ni ninenkan naratte imashita. Kurazushi de sensei ni osushi wo ogorimashita, shashin wo torimashita.

[kingsamuraix]

nigga that wasnt battoujutsu, battoujutsu is the drawing of sword, this was bullshit

[curlywolf]

thanks for the enlightening comment Mr. "play me in halo if u wanna get raped"

you had me at "nigga."

[kingsamuraix]

ur welcome and thanx u

[brokenheartemoninja]

kingsamuraiX u are right batoujutsu is drawing the sword

[curlywolf]

i just can't figure out why westerners are so anal about terminology when the people using the native language from an art's country of origin don't give a rat's ass!

[redins7248]

The emphasis of training in battōjutsu is on cutting with the sword.Iaijutsu focus of training is on drawing the sword.

[llVIU]

aw... I was looking for the legendary battousai's battou justu.. not this ._.

[danuel1]

I was looking for the Amakakeru Ryu No Hirameki xD!

[curlywolf]

(sorry- wikipdeiA) The other day, sensei walked up, took a stance and cut a target. "That was tameshigiri." he said. Next, he casually walked up to a group of three, drew and cut them without pause and resheathed. "That" he said, "was battoujutsu." He always says "Everyone can learn to cut. Just because they can cut, it doesn't mean they are doing battoujutsu." Again, thanks to all for their comments.

[curlywolf]

sorry to happytrails,i accidentally hit Remove instead of Reply.His gist was that the man in this video is not doing battoujutsu.For all of you:I don't know what your sensei taught you(do you even have sensei?)or how many of you or your sensei use Japanese at a native level, or what wikipedie says,but I assure you that the sensei in this video considers this battoujutsu.the literal translation of the word means "The skill of pulling out a sword" but the applications of bj are much more varied.

[lonewolfdw40]

what u google search or read in a book can't give the exp. u'd get training in japan. samurai's and ninja's r 2 different classes. and the point of the music to simplies the mediation before he makes the cut. those trained in swordsmenship whatever ryuu would and should know that"one cut,one kill" (except kendo) other than that good vid of soga sensei

[Seishiro84]

What's the music for?

[curlywolf]

about the music-it's from Yoshida Brothers III:Brian Eno's By This River featuring vocals delivered by former Remy Zero frontman Cinjin Tate.

It's simply background music or as a film prof once called it, commentative music.

Maybe you would have preferred yet more shakuhachi,taiko or even yet another martial art vid to Everybody's Kung-fu Fighting.

This video length happened to match the length to this song (featuring the shamisen) so i put it here.

Thanks for the comments.

[wires0]

hey thanks for upload this clip, impressive display of skill.

ps. regarding the music, I'm on the "rather not" camp. Prefer silence and just the kiai's. anyway, thanks

[8thsinner]

The display is done by an 8th dan sensei, a great one at that but he did not name this video...

Some even of the MUSO styles of iaido use the first motion to block an attack, it's not all completely one draw and one cut stuff.

What I hate is that people call this Tameshigiri, it's not, it's suemonogiri.

Infact in the case of this video it's really neither, It's a display not a test of any sort...

Nice upload anywan man thanks for sharing.

[moesephs]

Well anyone who doesn't really have a clue what tameshigiri really is will do that. They see test cutting and remembers it's called tameshigiri. Then whenever they see a demonstration where someone is cutting a target (not even just tatame omote or bamboo) they automatically assume it's tameshigiri. Either that or they want to try and impress people around them. What's worse is when people untrained in kejjutsu, iaito, battou, etc. will cut "targets" with swords and call it tameshigiri. Morons!

[moesephs]

Yeah, the music is rather lame and pointless.

SP- Iaido

[curlywolf]

Thanks for your comment. I didnt' know you yet to run the choice by you. Maybe next time.

[moesephs]

LOL! Ohhh, I offended the perm wolf. Sorry about that, but it's to be expected on a public venue. It's one of those subjective things. Although logic and taste in my IMHO suggests either no music at all, or a subtle traditional piece. You were right there accept for the guy moaning in the background and the frickin snare drum.

[curlywolf]

well the last few vids i posted used only the shakuhachi, taiko or shamisen so i thought i'd try something a little different, though still with a shamisen. i still think it's a better choice than the Everybody's kung fu fighting that always pops up. also thanks for the warning about public venues. but seriously, thanks for your comments and time.

[moesephs]

Oh BTW spyd3ruu...good attempt for your 1st google search on the subject ;)

[spyd3ruu]

it's rather reckless to strike from the unsheathing motion.. as you are instantly open for any attacks. but yes , Battojutsu is unsheathing and striking in one fluid motion. thus is very hard to do. Battojutsu was mostly used by ninjas cuz the kodachi [ or ninjato , depends on the style they used and hte scool they were trained in ] was shorter .. but the scabbard was full length .. that made the unsheathing faster .. => they used battojutsu more than others. hope this helps

[moesephs]

People...this guy only wants to sound like he knows what he's talking about. There IS NO historical record of a "ninjato" existing. Battles took place with the katana out of it's scabbard(saya). Pretty much only duels is where you would see an attack originate from a sheathed sword. Not to mention the fact that battles were mostly fought with a spear or bow and arrow. "Ninja" and "ninjato" are Hollywood BS.

[Seishiro84]

I agree. The so-called ninjato may have been shorter swords, which are generally still katana or wakizashi.

[spyd3ruu]

have you ever heard of kodachi ? it's like a wakizashi .. but has greater curvature. greater curvature allows faster unsheathing .. ninjato's were pretty usually made out of broken katanas. that's why the curvature of the ninjato was smaller.. the diff. beetween a kodachi/ninjato [ what ninjas used . ninjas existed man ] is the curvature. the kodachi was more curved.

[Seishiro84]

Ninja are silent killers hence it is important that they hold the sword ready when they plan to kill. There's no use alerting the enemy to the click when a sword is being drawn from the scabbard. Sometimes ninja kill with their bare hands.

[spyd3ruu]

they would have been put in the situation of using a sword only rarely .. so they were caught with the sword sheathed .. in confied spaces .. so a shorter sword was needed. = kodachi .. taht was beetween a full length sword and a wakizashi. the kodachi was a fixed length sword.. and it had been able to use by merchants.. cuz it was shorter.

and about ninja's .. you probably only know about the black guys .. that jump from one roof to another .. no! .they were specialized. hope you get the point

[spyd3ruu]

this was intended to be a reply to seishiro84's post about ninjas.

[Summerv3861]

Striking from the draw is an Eishinryu concept. The whole point of Eishinryu is to draw and cut the opponent down in one single fluid motion. That is not the philosophy behind batto-do.

[hikiwaza]

The word Batto refers to the drawing and striking of a sword. Toyama ryu ippon-me first cut is kiriage, nihon-me is yoko-ichimonji giri. 'Philosophy' of batto-do is to draw and strike as one; this is what you learn at the beginning.

I hope that helps.

[Mokujin]

This isn't much of a battoujutsu display. While he is perfectly motioning his draw into a cut, which is an effective result of training in Battoujutsu, he doesn't really encompass the attribute of striking during the draw.

Excellent display from a truly skilled swordsman, nonetheless.

[curlywolf]

hi and thanks for the comment and nice words. what exactly is a battoujutsu display, then? he performs kihon-giri, tameshigiri on bamboo, and several of the kata from Toyama Ryu. what is "striking" during the draw? could you please elaborate? thank you and happy new year!

[Shinsengumi77]

Though I find this video enthralling, mokujin is referring to cutting as you draw from the saya in one motion, rather than drawing and then cutting (in two motions).

[Namiwakiru]

cutting from the draw is only part of battogiri there are only 4 quick cuts possible from traditional stance, so most are draw-block-cut or draw-block-stance-cut

happy cutting

[Devoti]

he's 8th dan, man. i seriously doubt that you know any better.

[curlywolf]

better said than me in my longer winded post.