I'm an engineer(Software) I honestly think Architecture is a lot harder than Engineering because you need creativity and logic. Engineers use a lot of patterns that very smart people created for us.
This ad is exactly like an architect and a civil engineer in ways. An architect like a mac pretends to be great with actually having very little compatibility with solving problems or running programmes. A civil engineer like a PC does much more, problem solves everything and is compatible with most programmes. IN OTHER WORDs An arhitect is an artist and draws pretty pictures but the civil engineer is responsible for the structural science and physics. the guy who posted this video is a dipshit
@dave3152 architecture is not an art , it is a way of thinking and analyzing those problems youre talking about , in a different way than others , if it was an art why would they call it architecture , they couldve simply called it art , but its not believe me
Engineers and Architects boss labourers around because labourers don't think for themselves. Engineers and Architects have alot of responsibilities when they sign or stamp things. They also deal with huge quantities of money, another huge responsibility. If an engineer screws up, it is his ass and his license to practice that is on the line. Again...responsibility. Labourers just do what they are told, but on that note, anyone who works hard deserves respect.
Engineers and Architects boss labourers around because labourers don't think for themselves. Engineers and Architects have alot of responsibilities when they sign or stamp things. They also deal with huge quantities of money, another huge responsibility. If an engineer screws up, it is his ass and his license to practice that is on the line. Again...responsibility. Labourers just do what they are told, but on that note, anyone who works hard deserves respect.
the problems arhcitects work with cannot be solved by a calculator or text book. engineers can often take the easiest route (for themseves) and often need the issues explained in detail...
@toemas8 How ignorant are u? Structural engineering requires innovation for new buildings that have not been made before and that can't be achieved through reading textbooks. If they took the easiest route they wouldn't mind creating structures that did not blend in with the architects design, they would let it vibrate and sway more (not mind the discomfort that causes) and not mind how to deal with noise and indoor- acoustics, how to make it energy-efficient regarding heating etc
@VicMicable not ignorant I just work in the real world. don't get me wrong I have the utmost respect for engineers, my comments are generalisations in the same way many people on this thread have this idea that architects are 'dreamers'. i actually enjoy working with good engineers and builders ... but have had a bad run of structural engineers of late. the smartest ones are the worst because they often think they know the answers before they really comprehend the problem.
@toemas8 Of course they need more detailed explanations of what is to be done if they are the ones who have to implement it into reality. Then they are the ones who need to understand it the best. Also architects might not have considered all the problems that engineers have which forces them to ask questions. If someone needs lots of explaining it is also a reflection of your own communication skills. The better u are at conveying a message the less questions will arise.
@VicMicable no problem with explaining anything to engineers, in fact working through a solution with a team of professionals is very rewarding. this architects versus engineers thing is a stupid argument its like saying: which is more important air or water? I just think some engineers like everything to to laid infornt of them so they can fill in the gaps conversly some architects don't think through the structure enough to brief the engineer properly.
There are a number of famous architects who studied both disciplines; rendering this debate meaningless.... Muhahhahahah after all why not have a dual boot mac or hackintosh?... Same hardware.. different OS.. Mac's just have the element of... "oooh this one is shinny and white" Same Intel possessors... and ATIi makes Gpu's for both. LOL...
@mhnyl650 If they have studied both disciplines then they are engineers just as much as they are architects. That architect community then labels them architects as to give themselves credit. That doesn't mean that architects can do the same work as engineers. Or that one can't just as well claim that they are engineers that have studied both disciplines. Architectural engineers have studied both disciplines and are considered engineers forth most.
Civil Engineers are always being offered contracts by the government and local businesses, like apartments, commercial buildings, house, schools, etc,than architects, If in the Phillipines. I think.
@yllor345 architects design much more than just houses. they design stadiums, parks, town squares, campuses, buildings,street corners, national parks, play grounds, streets, waterfronts, golf courses, theme parks, environmental reserves, gardens, courtyards, heritage landscapes, historic monuments, botanic and healing gardens, bridges, cities, urban regeneration, the list goes on and on. oh and that's only landscape architecture just wait till you see the others.
an architech once told me that we should put turbines in the rain water down pipes of buildings to generate electricity. great idea really. make a small reservoir on the second floor to act like a pond he said, brilliant, function and design. use the electricity generated to pump the water back up to the top to start the process again he said... **face palm**
What a cliché...Civil engineers are architects... too. We all make functional spaces with archs, and we desing and calculate them, architects use to be more artistic is true, because the client and the society want a beauty in the functional spaces, but engeneers can also be so artistic, and architects so functional and cold and calculetors... too.
@Kirikolatza1 civil engineers are not architects....too. i can't do what an engineer can do, and an engineer can't do what i can. they're mutually exclusive. just because you can create a space doesn't mean that you're the same as an architect. they definitely overlap, but they are completely different.
@rocco4102 Then you don´t know what an architecture is, architecture is a mix of space desing and engenering, aquitecture is construction ! An arquitect is like an orchestra director, he must know everything about construction and has to comand all the actors in it, one important actor is an structure especialist, who is an arquitec that desing and calculate the structures, there are architects who only calculate structures,and engineers that only desing them.
then Engineers Do their part in Architect's Creation.. they are partners . .
But in the philippines Civil eng'rs are has the right to design a buildings and to sign an architectural drawings or design.. yet, then C.E. does not know something on that. . but the court decision(C.E. Law 2011) in the phil, is final..
that's why philippines is Behind 25 yrs from othr countriz.
Let me quote Einstein "imagination is more important than Knowledge; knowledge in limited but imagination encircles the world"; Saying structural engineering is important to architecture; of course it its but so is oxygen and other stuff to the brain but what makes us smarter than a chimp is not our big brains ( both are similar only size diff) but our imagination. now lets see the comments rolling
los ingenieros civiles somos los que volvemos a la realidad a los ilusos arquitectos, es decir, un arquitecto puede querer hacer un edificio muy raro pero el ingeniero le dice si es fisicamente posible (por decirlo asi de simple).el arquitecto puede querer una luz de 10 metros pero el ingeniero le dice que solo es posible una de 8....el ingeniero te hace las cosas necesarias, ECONOMICAS, el arquitecto te hace gastar por un gusto vano,,finalmente el arquitecto es aquel que no ingreso a ing civil.
@yayoperuaqp Jajaja para eso nos preparan a nosotros los arquitectos par usar el conocimiento previo y saber que tanto 'volarnos' y hacerles el trabajo mucho mas sencillo a uds, a sabiendas que nosotros podemos plantear un diseño del cual ni siquiera necesitemos de su ayuda directa, por eso el lado creativo y que todos prefieren es el de la arquitectura y no como vos lo decís, económico y 'funcional' nosotros hacemos todo eso y mejor que una casa cuadrada y bien fea!
@madamaczone quien dice que nosotros no diseñamos?..todos los universitarios pueden diseñar una casa, su OFICIO es una simple FORMALIDAD..........PUM SECO YA PERDISTE SONSITO,,,,
And any sane person would trust a engineer to construct a building without the help of an architect than vice versa. The penalty for an engineer not doing the part of an architect well is that it would be less beautiful, in the opposite scenario the penalty would be collapse.
Also to make things aesthetically pleasing u don't necessarily need to understand what makes it so. But u can go on a hunch which a lot of artist do. In a lot of countries u get to work as an architect without their degree
And any sane person would trust a engineer to construct a building without the help of an architect than vice versa. The penalty for an engineer not doing the part of an architect well is that it would be less beautiful, in the opposite scenario the penalty would be collapse.
Also to make things aesthetically pleasing u don't necessarily need to understand what makes it so. But u can go on a hunch which a lot of artist do. In a lot of countries u get to work as an architect without their degree
Someone argued that architect used to do the job of engineers. This is a stupid argument since it was the same job to be an architect and engineer and u might as well claim that engineers used to do the job of architects. That they where called architects makes no difference. Barbers and doctors where once covered by the same profession and they where called barbers. But any sane person would trust a doctor to cut his hair before trusting a barber to perform surgery on him/her.
Someone argued that architect used to do the job of engineers. This is a stupid argument since it was the same job to be an architect and engineer and u might as well claim that engineers used to do the job of architects. That they where called architects makes no difference. Barbers and doctors where once covered by the same profession and they where called barbers. But any sane person would trust a doctor to cut his hair before trusting a barber to perform surgery on him/her.
It is funny how u architects accuse the civil engineers of not recognizing all of the different elements of your work. All along u have compared your entire work with structural engineering, which is just a sub-disipline within civil engineering (someone else pointed it out), civil engineers can do a lot more: from designing water treatment plants and water-distribution-systems to building roads and conducting environmental remediation. Architects cant come near of doing that.
@VicMicable But you know these two professions come hand in hand, they both have qualities which they both may not have. This is why some Architects/Engineers partner up. You can't just say one is better than the other. They are both well respected professions.
U architects are way of. The truth of the matter is that the only thing an architect can be more proficient is the aesthetic aspects of making a building. One of u argued that: “study of flow and material input; mechanical, electrical disciplines, ventilation, accessibility, fire safety, sanitation, occupancy, and Standards of structural elements are to be coordinated in one”, all of these things an structural engineer has been taught more thoroughly and also to deal with different soils etc...
really, architects design are outlined with this disciplines ,achitectural,structural,sanitary/plumbing,electrical and mechanical but we need to express those in an artistic/aesthetical way, so i can say architects are really more of an artist.
Engrs Are just d' calculators of the Architects.. that's all.. Engrs doesn't mind anything but just the strength and mathematical matter of the Building.. But Architects thinks a lot of solutions for the future problems that may come to the proj. and architects are inventors. . they finding solutions, law abiding, and environmental concerns they follow proper zoning,bldg code, fire code, elect'l code, mech'l code, economic concerns, innovations, site studies, city planning, theories, etc......
@rubioscube Your reasoning is as bad as your English. U don't think that figuring out how to manipulate materials to make a structure hold is finding solutions? Engineers are inventors since they research on new building materials and often have to find new & unorthodox ways to create a structure. Engineers are more proficient at site studies (they study more geology for one thing) and environmentals (they study pollutions, water chemistry, noise, ecology etc.) costs & law +much more
study of flow and material input; mechanical, electrical disciplines, ventilation, accessibility, fire safety, sanitation, occupancy, and Standards of structural elements are to be coordinated in one. So don't think too small friends if you really don't have idea about who architects are!!..search!.
Forms always follows Function. and to let you know in doing some designs architects considers everything, it should be the total package of the bldg. from building orientation, environment, zoning, Standards, specifications, area requirements as per client needs, bldg. plan arrangement scheme (should accommodate clients need),
But an Engineer cant be an Architect, an engineer should have to study more about the trends, business, specifications, versatility not just on building alone but also the environmental aspects, zoning, feasibility studies, building code, fire code, accessibility law, theory, planning, and a lot more. I am just wondering why some people thinks architects are just for aesthetic, of course noh!!..
sad to know that most people were blinded by the fact about the versatility of the Architects. To note Architects can do calculation like an engineering do, can work on site just like civil engineers do. This architects works more and knowledgeable about what was in the building! depending upon what an architect wants to be specialized, for an architect understands about the sustainability not just durability.
I don't discredit their part on building construction but to say we can omit architect's role is just plain stupid. "architects draw engineers erect the bldg" wrong. Masons and carpenters are the ones who build. ce are there to compute and design the stability of the structure. Same thing for mech. and elec'l engr's who will ensure the safety of the users; of course architects are still knowledgeable about their nature of work otherwise they can't plan what are the required spaces
@naborghsoj08 most civil engineers I know are arrogant. they think they can do architect's work. The effect of their presuming knowledge about architecture, after thought spaces, never ending add ons or on site revisions, alien looking buildings, inefficient spaces, poor planning, climatically unresponsive design, ugly color scheme resulting to ugly urban fabric, disproportional massing, lots of wasted space, inaccessible design (for physically challenged users), and so on and so forth..
@naborghsoj08 That is only based on who the Civil Engineer is. Architects and Civil Engineers get into quarrels because they argue about what is possible and what is illogical. EX. One architect wants to make stairs to look like their floating in mid air while the Civil Engineer says that's impossible. Yes Architects know more about the concepts but give Civil Engineers some slack, they have to make the structures physically possible. Its more droll work as a Civil Engineer but they aren't droll
I've always hated these stupid fucking videos ragging on the PC. Let me tell you all something, that goofy fat fuck in this video gets to play alllllll the best, badass PC games, while the "hip, trendy douche with Bieber-hair" is stuck using iTunes and swinging on the decaying cock of Steve Jobs'. So, fuck all of you morons who rag on the PC. Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to Battlefield 3 and Skyrim. You can calculate how much time I spend playing these games, though! :D
@Warghost1000 ummm, they are good commercials that show the difference between OS. Since I switched to Macbook Pro, I've only crashed like maybe 3 times in 4 years, and those were due to bad internet code. 3 times!! When I was on PC, it crashed every month. I also got a virus and had to rewrite the harddrive. Yah so there's more games and a few more apps, but the OS of Mac with Unix as a core kills PC, which is still based on DOS, an outdated and unstable system...
actually DOS hasnt been used since Windows 95/98 (I forget) to me though its more about what i can get from a computer, a Macintosh is a PC so locked down that i can barely get under its hood so my interest in it is not as great as Windows which gives you much more freedom, my personal oppinion.
@diamondcutharvey69 Architect equiv of conductor or command officer. He may not be able to do EVERY job. But understands each and has a command level view, integrating all aspects into a unified whole. Chumps because the true SOURCE of wealth is in their hands, but it's given away to others AND they accept a subservient role rather than running the show. To follow the logic of many an engr here, construction WORKERS are the real star players. They don't NEED engrs or archts to build a building!
Oh Ladies and Gentlemen PLEASE! No offense to either "SIDE". I hope not to sound insulting nor condescending, but this banter is quite revealing of the "CHUMP" status of both architects and engineers. Believe me I know of what I speak. And sadly, I must say that engineers are hands down bigger "CHUMPS" than architects by a country mile. Rather than waking up and smelling the coffee that WE all are being "PLAYED". We settle for the crumbs in the deal. RE brokers get more than us for Christ sake!
Architecture deals with ONE thing, aesthetics. Engineering is about function and ability. Civilization doesn't need an architect, just sometimes wants one, when there is nothing else going on. Civil engineers don't just do buildings. They are the older profession to exist. The most important one though...is the contractor building the dang thing...
@watkins3443 I work at Burns and Mcdonnell. I have a masters in civil engineering and a bachelors degree in architecture. I'm pretty well educated on it. Depending on the firm, the architect will do the subcontracting, but they don't have the certifications to go beyond design, too much liability.
@razorjosh I have a Ba Hons in architecture and have recently started my B-arch. I have worked for a few well established firms so i'm not exactly 'clueless'. I think your company is on a slightly different scale to what I'm familiar with and I'm guessing, yes when you're working on large scale projects it may be slightly different. With your average contract the architect will go far more into each of the stages of the project, far surpassing aesthetics by a long long way.
An architect Does what it says on the tin but a civil engineer can be many different things. There are uncountable different types of civil engineers but most people think a civil engineer is only a structural engineer whereas a structural engineer is only a specific type of engineer who works out the feasibility of a built and makes adjustments to detail according to the clients needs.
A client may choose to appoint a civil engineer to do the designing of his build (may be to save money) but a
Civil engineers are, well, engineers, math, problem solving, etc. Architects are more of an artist, that is why in most countries architecture is not part of the engineering schools and they are not called architect engineer. They are more creative but they wouldn't be missed if they didn't exists. Houses would be built, bridges too. It is a matter of choice, are you creative or a math geek?
@mjolnir1981 i'm an architect & I can't draw so how are u able to label me as an "artist"
years before the "architect" was the person who designed buildings and monitored its structure. Civil engineers didn't exist at that time, however now architects study civil but not as much into detail since they have more to study. We took also some of mechanical and solar energy etc. We coordinate where as the rest are stuck with one. The DND of the projects in my company is an architect
plus i'm also very brilliant in math. A normal architect would only stick with the basics of civil engineering for ex. However a great architect would know how to do it all without the help of a civil engineer. Moreover "architectural engineer" is different than an architect. They are more into the mechanical aspect.
Awkward how many are commenting on the other field whether its arch or CE, when all they know is either their own perspective field or none for that matter. I shake my head more at the ones that say architects go in and study a lot of construction, structure, &'science' to know how everything works when in reality a 9th grader can do the calculations that go into an arch program; i will say that architects don't need CE for relatively simple structures, but who do you think made that possible?
I don't think an architect would be able to tell you how to incorporate seismic design into their structure... designing for gravity loads is usually fairly simple
@GRB20 I agree, I'm an Architect, and I always call up my engineers to inform me what is possible, but if its something I really want, I'll say to them..."Make it Possible"
Architecture deals with making the floor plans of a building and designing the shape of the building. Civil Engineering, working on the same building, would deal with the material used for the building and how to design the building so it can support its own weight. So there's quite a big difference there. Architecture is more like arts. Civil Engineering is more about physics.
@jaanie16 Architects indeed deal with the form and functionality of the building, but actually less complex structures can be designed entirely by them and they do decide what materials and technology is used. They are educated about solving construction problems, but its not as specialised knowledge as what civil engineers get. Architecture is a bit of everything when it comes to buildings, while civil engineering is entirely dedicated to construction. Thats the difference.
@jaanie16 I would tend to agree with you in some aspects, except one...I do select the materials for every building, It needs alot of research sometimes, but its rewarding. I depend on my engineers to let me know what is possible in my complex structures. I did learn simple structural design principles an am completely able to design "smaller" or simpler structures on my own. But mostly I solely depend on the engineers for the structure.
Even when these architects are called on a major job, only one firm is needed. On a major job their are dozens of engineers just on the site alone. Median Salaries for site engineers is much higher than that of architects. To make decent cash as an architect you truly must be one of the best/work for yourself. Civil is the way to go for anyone interested. Structural engineer is much more rewarding than an architect. Unless you think of yourself as an artist.
ARCHITECT has been listed as one of the top 10 majors in the USA with the highest UNEMPLOYMENT rate. Despite learning calculus and structural design their job is to design what the building will look like. They do these classes so they know the building they are drawing is possible. Architects are being called upon less and less as more building are standardised. Also because engineers do not need an architect on project that are not going to be 'grand'
im another one of civil engineer. . nd i don't want anybody has a contemp with us.i'm sure architect's important for building but they can't build it without engineer.i think u should respect to both of it.
@TheSDauncey architects ARE engineers. We study an incredible amount of construction technology, structures, and statics of materials taught by architect-engineers. Many architects are also licensed engineers. Why waste our engineering knowledge if we had to study it in architecture school.. we know how our buildings will be built and what will be possible. Engineers mainly assist and help us find more sustainable and cost-efficient solutions and redesigning structure for specific needs.
An engineer can be an architect but an architect will never be an engineer!! When the recession hit companys kept the engineers and kicked out the architects, All architects designs have to go through engineers aprovals, and the top names on structures like opera house and bridges have the engineers names on top and architects at the bottom. Enough said
@trixakias jajajajaja i am a architect and i do civil work many times.... and its true civil can do the work of an architect. but its very dificult to see good work... but i respect, i know good quality of civil engineers.
maybe they can design a building without an architect, but the plan would probably be typical and the house turns out to be square like. and yes architects cannot build a house without engineers unless it's something reallly simple such as a two story single family house
i am an architect student.. we actually study a lot of construction and science.. we atleast need to have some degree of idea of how to construct our design. I interned in an architectural firm and we also have to sketchup out the structure of the building, beams, plank, plumbing etc.. and then send it to the engineer so they can calculate exactly how thick the beams and other specifications has to be. Civil engineering is mostly working out the details.
@nshfan1 Architects can provide "design-build" services, it means we can design it and we can implement the project but we needs the sign of an engineer for the "structural" design only.
@mischiefz exactly...and I'm a student too on every jury, we have to be clear as to how our design is structurally able as well.... or else we get screwed!! :D
@xXSYCADELICXx For my country, if you want to become a licensed engineer, you at least need the bachelor degree in engineering.. whether or not the university will let you graduate earlier depends if they let you transfer any of the subjects from earlier courses that you took relating to engineering. If you know the basics and never taken any countable courses.. most likely you will have to study it over again to become qualified for graduation..(not sure if its the same for other countries tho)
@mischiefz but i mean you need basic composition algebra speech government types of classes done in order to strt doing calculus physics and other engineering types of classes anyway no?
If you enjoy what you do then good luck to you. Both jobs are respected equally. I am in it for the money and lets face it, what other people think about you DOES matter in the real world. A higher paying job where you are viewed as a man behind the unbelievable number crunching that made the erection of that building possible is awesome. As an 'artist' stuck on an average salary, not so much.
A job site is always growing meaning more engineers are needed to oversee every aspect. Sitting in an office drawing only requires a select amount of skilled people and will never reach a point where somebody says "we need more architects" lol. So would I rather be employed in an industry where promotions, large salaries, huge job opportunities home and abroad and an ever changing environment is certain. God yes. As an architect their is only so much you can do as only one will get credit.
Also in Australia folks the median salary for an architect is around 75k while a civil engineer's median salary is roughly 120k. To make the big bucks as an architect you truly have to be GREAT otherwise you will just wind up like 99 percent of them stuck in an office on the same pay. Engineers pay will always be higher, their will always be thousands of available positions as the demand never ceases, and their is always promotions to construction/site/office management.
This is funny ... yet very silly. Architecture needs collaboration to be effective and good, ie. Architects and Engineers need to work together to produce something of value.
No one is boring in this regard as they both add value into the venture they both get involved in.
Well, i dont get what you really asked. In my university, I must learn about everything in architecture. Structure, aesthetic, vetilation, illumination etc although somethings aren't so much useful and updated.... Then use alls to practise with about 10 projects from small to big buildings function, likes resident, shop, restaurant, stadim ... They're a big hint for you about what you will learn in arch school. Reasons that I suggested you'll find it never boring.
I'm in Year 12 in Australia and I'm tossing up between the two at the moment. I think I have the creative capacity to be an architect and I want to design buildings, but I also like maths and physics and I don't really want to let go of that. My dream degree would be the Civil Engineering with Architecture degree at either UNSW or USyd (only two I know that have them).
@freedybox No degree in engineering is easy. Its easier than some other engineering degrees, but still difficult compared to most other majors. DO NOT MAJOR IN ANY TYPE OF ENGINEERING IF YOU WANT AN EASY DEGREE!!!
An architect is the overseer of a job. The building is ultimately his creation. Although it is no longer you have architects doing the entire job, engineers are not trained in ergonomics and architectural style. Without architecture, all buildings would be horrid. And just because you have a clusterf**k of engineers doesn't mean there isn't an architect at his office or with the client.
los arquitectos no calculan.. ni saben usar la calculadora cientifica solo saben dibujar-- los ingenieros son los que calculan. como hacer los soportes del dibujito que hizo el arkitecto
@XxNiniODeLuxX En la arqitectura se llevan muchas, matematicas, mi primo es arquitecto y es estructuralista y se la pasa haciendo calculos matematicos muy avanzados y complejos. de hecho el da clases de matematicas en una preparatoria.
the damn architects fucked me today. yeah it works, but we need to move this wall. thanks bros.
oC00nz 15 hours ago
civilized
deafat24fps 16 hours ago
Architect women are definitely prettier than civil... :D
CrossTomb 18 hours ago
hah..architects..pffff.
strikey1417 4 days ago
I'm an engineer(Software) I honestly think Architecture is a lot harder than Engineering because you need creativity and logic. Engineers use a lot of patterns that very smart people created for us.
jacf1020 6 days ago
@jacf1020 that´s gay... having creativity is freak!
thecivilpower 4 days ago
This video is a waste of 30.000 seconds
johnlopez123 1 week ago
This ad is exactly like an architect and a civil engineer in ways. An architect like a mac pretends to be great with actually having very little compatibility with solving problems or running programmes. A civil engineer like a PC does much more, problem solves everything and is compatible with most programmes. IN OTHER WORDs An arhitect is an artist and draws pretty pictures but the civil engineer is responsible for the structural science and physics. the guy who posted this video is a dipshit
dave3152 1 week ago
@dave3152 architecture is not an art , it is a way of thinking and analyzing those problems youre talking about , in a different way than others , if it was an art why would they call it architecture , they couldve simply called it art , but its not believe me
sonyjawz 11 hours ago
mmmmmmm...
Food and biotechnology engineering
limplung93 2 weeks ago
I'll.. just stick to Aerospace Engineering
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Engineers and Architects boss labourers around because labourers don't think for themselves. Engineers and Architects have alot of responsibilities when they sign or stamp things. They also deal with huge quantities of money, another huge responsibility. If an engineer screws up, it is his ass and his license to practice that is on the line. Again...responsibility. Labourers just do what they are told, but on that note, anyone who works hard deserves respect.
djbutl87 2 weeks ago
Both architect and civil engineer are just bossing around. The ones deserve respect the most are LABOR WORKER!
GoatLame 2 weeks ago
Engineers and Architects boss labourers around because labourers don't think for themselves. Engineers and Architects have alot of responsibilities when they sign or stamp things. They also deal with huge quantities of money, another huge responsibility. If an engineer screws up, it is his ass and his license to practice that is on the line. Again...responsibility. Labourers just do what they are told, but on that note, anyone who works hard deserves respect.
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Earth, the greatest architect and engineer, we should study that more
witkonamu 2 weeks ago
Engineers are creative to maybe more.
Hamzah41081 3 weeks ago
the problems arhcitects work with cannot be solved by a calculator or text book. engineers can often take the easiest route (for themseves) and often need the issues explained in detail...
toemas8 3 weeks ago
@toemas8 How ignorant are u? Structural engineering requires innovation for new buildings that have not been made before and that can't be achieved through reading textbooks. If they took the easiest route they wouldn't mind creating structures that did not blend in with the architects design, they would let it vibrate and sway more (not mind the discomfort that causes) and not mind how to deal with noise and indoor- acoustics, how to make it energy-efficient regarding heating etc
VicMicable 3 weeks ago
@VicMicable not ignorant I just work in the real world. don't get me wrong I have the utmost respect for engineers, my comments are generalisations in the same way many people on this thread have this idea that architects are 'dreamers'. i actually enjoy working with good engineers and builders ... but have had a bad run of structural engineers of late. the smartest ones are the worst because they often think they know the answers before they really comprehend the problem.
toemas8 2 weeks ago
@toemas8 Of course they need more detailed explanations of what is to be done if they are the ones who have to implement it into reality. Then they are the ones who need to understand it the best. Also architects might not have considered all the problems that engineers have which forces them to ask questions. If someone needs lots of explaining it is also a reflection of your own communication skills. The better u are at conveying a message the less questions will arise.
VicMicable 3 weeks ago
@VicMicable no problem with explaining anything to engineers, in fact working through a solution with a team of professionals is very rewarding. this architects versus engineers thing is a stupid argument its like saying: which is more important air or water? I just think some engineers like everything to to laid infornt of them so they can fill in the gaps conversly some architects don't think through the structure enough to brief the engineer properly.
toemas8 2 weeks ago
There are a number of famous architects who studied both disciplines; rendering this debate meaningless.... Muhahhahahah after all why not have a dual boot mac or hackintosh?... Same hardware.. different OS.. Mac's just have the element of... "oooh this one is shinny and white" Same Intel possessors... and ATIi makes Gpu's for both. LOL...
mhnyl650 4 weeks ago
@mhnyl650 If they have studied both disciplines then they are engineers just as much as they are architects. That architect community then labels them architects as to give themselves credit. That doesn't mean that architects can do the same work as engineers. Or that one can't just as well claim that they are engineers that have studied both disciplines. Architectural engineers have studied both disciplines and are considered engineers forth most.
VicMicable 3 weeks ago
Is that Keenau Reeves?
CeletenteFan223 4 weeks ago
Mechanical Engineer owns both!
MustangGTR2 4 weeks ago 2
Civil Engineers are always being offered contracts by the government and local businesses, like apartments, commercial buildings, house, schools, etc,than architects, If in the Phillipines. I think.
yllor345 1 month ago
Architect vs Civil Engineer??? Architects are just more in designing houses and other stuffs!!!
Unlike Civil Engineers that constructs and designs not just HOUSES but also
BRIDGES, ROADS, WAREHOUSE, SKYSCAPERS, etc. Civil Engineers are even hired as a CITY ENGINEER. So what now??? Architect or Civil Engineer????
yllor345 1 month ago
@yllor345 architects design much more than just houses. they design stadiums, parks, town squares, campuses, buildings,street corners, national parks, play grounds, streets, waterfronts, golf courses, theme parks, environmental reserves, gardens, courtyards, heritage landscapes, historic monuments, botanic and healing gardens, bridges, cities, urban regeneration, the list goes on and on. oh and that's only landscape architecture just wait till you see the others.
prodoman89 3 weeks ago
an architech once told me that we should put turbines in the rain water down pipes of buildings to generate electricity. great idea really. make a small reservoir on the second floor to act like a pond he said, brilliant, function and design. use the electricity generated to pump the water back up to the top to start the process again he said... **face palm**
lostpiro 1 month ago 6
What a cliché...Civil engineers are architects... too. We all make functional spaces with archs, and we desing and calculate them, architects use to be more artistic is true, because the client and the society want a beauty in the functional spaces, but engeneers can also be so artistic, and architects so functional and cold and calculetors... too.
Kirikolatza1 1 month ago
@Kirikolatza1 civil engineers are not architects....too. i can't do what an engineer can do, and an engineer can't do what i can. they're mutually exclusive. just because you can create a space doesn't mean that you're the same as an architect. they definitely overlap, but they are completely different.
rocco4102 1 month ago
@rocco4102 Then you don´t know what an architecture is, architecture is a mix of space desing and engenering, aquitecture is construction ! An arquitect is like an orchestra director, he must know everything about construction and has to comand all the actors in it, one important actor is an structure especialist, who is an arquitec that desing and calculate the structures, there are architects who only calculate structures,and engineers that only desing them.
Kirikolatza1 1 month ago
It is funny how much people lie
TheTumdum 1 month ago
im pretty sure that civil engineers are just as important as architects.
darrinr769 1 month ago 4
Great Buildings Came From a Great Architects. .
then Engineers Do their part in Architect's Creation.. they are partners . .
But in the philippines Civil eng'rs are has the right to design a buildings and to sign an architectural drawings or design.. yet, then C.E. does not know something on that. . but the court decision(C.E. Law 2011) in the phil, is final..
that's why philippines is Behind 25 yrs from othr countriz.
rubioscube 1 month ago
you say engineers can do it better and faster? go ahead, even santiago calatrava studied, finished architecture... tss
benchy06 1 month ago
Let me quote Einstein "imagination is more important than Knowledge; knowledge in limited but imagination encircles the world"; Saying structural engineering is important to architecture; of course it its but so is oxygen and other stuff to the brain but what makes us smarter than a chimp is not our big brains ( both are similar only size diff) but our imagination. now lets see the comments rolling
Shreejay11 1 month ago
los ingenieros civiles somos los que volvemos a la realidad a los ilusos arquitectos, es decir, un arquitecto puede querer hacer un edificio muy raro pero el ingeniero le dice si es fisicamente posible (por decirlo asi de simple).el arquitecto puede querer una luz de 10 metros pero el ingeniero le dice que solo es posible una de 8....el ingeniero te hace las cosas necesarias, ECONOMICAS, el arquitecto te hace gastar por un gusto vano,,finalmente el arquitecto es aquel que no ingreso a ing civil.
yayoperuaqp 1 month ago
@yayoperuaqp Jajaja para eso nos preparan a nosotros los arquitectos par usar el conocimiento previo y saber que tanto 'volarnos' y hacerles el trabajo mucho mas sencillo a uds, a sabiendas que nosotros podemos plantear un diseño del cual ni siquiera necesitemos de su ayuda directa, por eso el lado creativo y que todos prefieren es el de la arquitectura y no como vos lo decís, económico y 'funcional' nosotros hacemos todo eso y mejor que una casa cuadrada y bien fea!
madamaczone 1 month ago
@madamaczone quien dice que nosotros no diseñamos?..todos los universitarios pueden diseñar una casa, su OFICIO es una simple FORMALIDAD..........PUM SECO YA PERDISTE SONSITO,,,,
yayoperuaqp 1 month ago
Most of the comments on this page are from 2 people.
*facepalm*
InvaderWakkoReborn 1 month ago 5
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And any sane person would trust a engineer to construct a building without the help of an architect than vice versa. The penalty for an engineer not doing the part of an architect well is that it would be less beautiful, in the opposite scenario the penalty would be collapse.
Also to make things aesthetically pleasing u don't necessarily need to understand what makes it so. But u can go on a hunch which a lot of artist do. In a lot of countries u get to work as an architect without their degree
VicMicable 1 month ago
And any sane person would trust a engineer to construct a building without the help of an architect than vice versa. The penalty for an engineer not doing the part of an architect well is that it would be less beautiful, in the opposite scenario the penalty would be collapse.
Also to make things aesthetically pleasing u don't necessarily need to understand what makes it so. But u can go on a hunch which a lot of artist do. In a lot of countries u get to work as an architect without their degree
VicMicable 1 month ago
Someone argued that architect used to do the job of engineers. This is a stupid argument since it was the same job to be an architect and engineer and u might as well claim that engineers used to do the job of architects. That they where called architects makes no difference. Barbers and doctors where once covered by the same profession and they where called barbers. But any sane person would trust a doctor to cut his hair before trusting a barber to perform surgery on him/her.
VicMicable 1 month ago
Someone argued that architect used to do the job of engineers. This is a stupid argument since it was the same job to be an architect and engineer and u might as well claim that engineers used to do the job of architects. That they where called architects makes no difference. Barbers and doctors where once covered by the same profession and they where called barbers. But any sane person would trust a doctor to cut his hair before trusting a barber to perform surgery on him/her.
VicMicable 1 month ago
It is funny how u architects accuse the civil engineers of not recognizing all of the different elements of your work. All along u have compared your entire work with structural engineering, which is just a sub-disipline within civil engineering (someone else pointed it out), civil engineers can do a lot more: from designing water treatment plants and water-distribution-systems to building roads and conducting environmental remediation. Architects cant come near of doing that.
VicMicable 1 month ago
@VicMicable But you know these two professions come hand in hand, they both have qualities which they both may not have. This is why some Architects/Engineers partner up. You can't just say one is better than the other. They are both well respected professions.
kyndralae 1 month ago
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U architects are way of. The truth of the matter is that the only thing an architect can be more proficient is the aesthetic aspects of making a building. One of u argued that: “study of flow and material input; mechanical, electrical disciplines, ventilation, accessibility, fire safety, sanitation, occupancy, and Standards of structural elements are to be coordinated in one”, all of these things an structural engineer has been taught more thoroughly and also to deal with different soils etc...
VicMicable 1 month ago
really, architects design are outlined with this disciplines ,achitectural,structural,sanitary/plumbing,electrical and mechanical but we need to express those in an artistic/aesthetical way, so i can say architects are really more of an artist.
proximaism 1 month ago
Engrs Are just d' calculators of the Architects.. that's all.. Engrs doesn't mind anything but just the strength and mathematical matter of the Building.. But Architects thinks a lot of solutions for the future problems that may come to the proj. and architects are inventors. . they finding solutions, law abiding, and environmental concerns they follow proper zoning,bldg code, fire code, elect'l code, mech'l code, economic concerns, innovations, site studies, city planning, theories, etc......
rubioscube 1 month ago
@rubioscube I have studied both and beleive me engineering is harder.
FXnewby 1 month ago 24
@FXnewby
Euhm.. I'm studying both too and I find the workpressure for the architecture part the hardest :s. But I guess it's just oppinion :)
pdeobaer 3 days ago
@rubioscube Your reasoning is as bad as your English. U don't think that figuring out how to manipulate materials to make a structure hold is finding solutions? Engineers are inventors since they research on new building materials and often have to find new & unorthodox ways to create a structure. Engineers are more proficient at site studies (they study more geology for one thing) and environmentals (they study pollutions, water chemistry, noise, ecology etc.) costs & law +much more
VicMicable 1 month ago
do what work you must do and leave what works are for other profession. It is a matter of respecting each others profession and function.
marloncmm07 1 month ago
boring engineer?? they have the intelligence
mblanco31 1 month ago
how is this pro mac... it could go both ways...
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study of flow and material input; mechanical, electrical disciplines, ventilation, accessibility, fire safety, sanitation, occupancy, and Standards of structural elements are to be coordinated in one. So don't think too small friends if you really don't have idea about who architects are!!..search!.
vhevhelai 1 month ago 14
Forms always follows Function. and to let you know in doing some designs architects considers everything, it should be the total package of the bldg. from building orientation, environment, zoning, Standards, specifications, area requirements as per client needs, bldg. plan arrangement scheme (should accommodate clients need),
vhevhelai 1 month ago 4
CONTINUATION..
But an Engineer cant be an Architect, an engineer should have to study more about the trends, business, specifications, versatility not just on building alone but also the environmental aspects, zoning, feasibility studies, building code, fire code, accessibility law, theory, planning, and a lot more. I am just wondering why some people thinks architects are just for aesthetic, of course noh!!..
vhevhelai 1 month ago 3
sad to know that most people were blinded by the fact about the versatility of the Architects. To note Architects can do calculation like an engineering do, can work on site just like civil engineers do. This architects works more and knowledgeable about what was in the building! depending upon what an architect wants to be specialized, for an architect understands about the sustainability not just durability.
vhevhelai 1 month ago 3
I don't discredit their part on building construction but to say we can omit architect's role is just plain stupid. "architects draw engineers erect the bldg" wrong. Masons and carpenters are the ones who build. ce are there to compute and design the stability of the structure. Same thing for mech. and elec'l engr's who will ensure the safety of the users; of course architects are still knowledgeable about their nature of work otherwise they can't plan what are the required spaces
naborghsoj08 2 months ago
@naborghsoj08 most civil engineers I know are arrogant. they think they can do architect's work. The effect of their presuming knowledge about architecture, after thought spaces, never ending add ons or on site revisions, alien looking buildings, inefficient spaces, poor planning, climatically unresponsive design, ugly color scheme resulting to ugly urban fabric, disproportional massing, lots of wasted space, inaccessible design (for physically challenged users), and so on and so forth..
naborghsoj08 2 months ago
@naborghsoj08 That is only based on who the Civil Engineer is. Architects and Civil Engineers get into quarrels because they argue about what is possible and what is illogical. EX. One architect wants to make stairs to look like their floating in mid air while the Civil Engineer says that's impossible. Yes Architects know more about the concepts but give Civil Engineers some slack, they have to make the structures physically possible. Its more droll work as a Civil Engineer but they aren't droll
Metazeos 2 months ago
Young PC looks like Mr. Bean
Choekaas 2 months ago
There's also the paycheck.
TenthSpeedWriter 2 months ago
I've always hated these stupid fucking videos ragging on the PC. Let me tell you all something, that goofy fat fuck in this video gets to play alllllll the best, badass PC games, while the "hip, trendy douche with Bieber-hair" is stuck using iTunes and swinging on the decaying cock of Steve Jobs'. So, fuck all of you morons who rag on the PC. Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to Battlefield 3 and Skyrim. You can calculate how much time I spend playing these games, though! :D
Warghost1000 2 months ago
@Warghost1000 ummm, they are good commercials that show the difference between OS. Since I switched to Macbook Pro, I've only crashed like maybe 3 times in 4 years, and those were due to bad internet code. 3 times!! When I was on PC, it crashed every month. I also got a virus and had to rewrite the harddrive. Yah so there's more games and a few more apps, but the OS of Mac with Unix as a core kills PC, which is still based on DOS, an outdated and unstable system...
masterblend100 2 months ago
@masterblend100
actually DOS hasnt been used since Windows 95/98 (I forget) to me though its more about what i can get from a computer, a Macintosh is a PC so locked down that i can barely get under its hood so my interest in it is not as great as Windows which gives you much more freedom, my personal oppinion.
PhysXProg 2 months ago
@masterblend100 mac is based on unix.. derp derp
RumbleM0NKEY 1 month ago
@RumbleM0NKEY yes exactly, which makes it so much more stable than windows (based on Dos?)
masterblend100 1 month ago
if there isnt any archtitect on the world might build constructions but if there isnt any civil eng. on the world we are going to live in cardboards
prceXtu 2 months ago
I don't get it
diamondcutharvey69 2 months ago
@diamondcutharvey69 Architect equiv of conductor or command officer. He may not be able to do EVERY job. But understands each and has a command level view, integrating all aspects into a unified whole. Chumps because the true SOURCE of wealth is in their hands, but it's given away to others AND they accept a subservient role rather than running the show. To follow the logic of many an engr here, construction WORKERS are the real star players. They don't NEED engrs or archts to build a building!
atgardner2 2 months ago
And I must say that struggling through this ARE process has given me a degree of respect and admiration for architects you can't possibly imagine.
atgardner2 2 months ago
And just FYI. 55 y/o. BS ME/EE. MS CE/Structural. PE and 6/7 ARE 4.0 exams passed.
atgardner2 2 months ago
Oh Ladies and Gentlemen PLEASE! No offense to either "SIDE". I hope not to sound insulting nor condescending, but this banter is quite revealing of the "CHUMP" status of both architects and engineers. Believe me I know of what I speak. And sadly, I must say that engineers are hands down bigger "CHUMPS" than architects by a country mile. Rather than waking up and smelling the coffee that WE all are being "PLAYED". We settle for the crumbs in the deal. RE brokers get more than us for Christ sake!
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watkins3443 2 months ago
In Belgium u can study civil engineer - architect
and that shit is HARD
lolololort 2 months ago
Architects suck. They are just glorified artists.
austinax123 2 months ago
architect - scale, design, structure
civil- structure, water, mining, even infastructures in the water. and lots of calculus,physics, matrix algebra
CelinaBug420 2 months ago
Architecture deals with ONE thing, aesthetics. Engineering is about function and ability. Civilization doesn't need an architect, just sometimes wants one, when there is nothing else going on. Civil engineers don't just do buildings. They are the older profession to exist. The most important one though...is the contractor building the dang thing...
razorjosh 2 months ago
@razorjosh 'Architecture deals with one thing, Aesthetics'. This statement is so un-eductated and far from the truth i actually feel sorry for you.
watkins3443 2 months ago
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razorjosh 2 months ago
@watkins3443 I work at Burns and Mcdonnell. I have a masters in civil engineering and a bachelors degree in architecture. I'm pretty well educated on it. Depending on the firm, the architect will do the subcontracting, but they don't have the certifications to go beyond design, too much liability.
razorjosh 2 months ago
@razorjosh I have a Ba Hons in architecture and have recently started my B-arch. I have worked for a few well established firms so i'm not exactly 'clueless'. I think your company is on a slightly different scale to what I'm familiar with and I'm guessing, yes when you're working on large scale projects it may be slightly different. With your average contract the architect will go far more into each of the stages of the project, far surpassing aesthetics by a long long way.
watkins3443 2 months ago
dumbass
andreluxury 3 months ago
An architect Does what it says on the tin but a civil engineer can be many different things. There are uncountable different types of civil engineers but most people think a civil engineer is only a structural engineer whereas a structural engineer is only a specific type of engineer who works out the feasibility of a built and makes adjustments to detail according to the clients needs.
A client may choose to appoint a civil engineer to do the designing of his build (may be to save money) but a
abdulabase 3 months ago
Civil engineers are, well, engineers, math, problem solving, etc. Architects are more of an artist, that is why in most countries architecture is not part of the engineering schools and they are not called architect engineer. They are more creative but they wouldn't be missed if they didn't exists. Houses would be built, bridges too. It is a matter of choice, are you creative or a math geek?
mjolnir1981 3 months ago
@mjolnir1981 i'm an architect & I can't draw so how are u able to label me as an "artist"
years before the "architect" was the person who designed buildings and monitored its structure. Civil engineers didn't exist at that time, however now architects study civil but not as much into detail since they have more to study. We took also some of mechanical and solar energy etc. We coordinate where as the rest are stuck with one. The DND of the projects in my company is an architect
Badourette 2 months ago
@mjolnir1981 CONTINUED
plus i'm also very brilliant in math. A normal architect would only stick with the basics of civil engineering for ex. However a great architect would know how to do it all without the help of a civil engineer. Moreover "architectural engineer" is different than an architect. They are more into the mechanical aspect.
Badourette 2 months ago
Civil engineering is for those who can actually deal with advanced maths and physics
JoHNSMiTHDiSSeS 3 months ago
Awkward how many are commenting on the other field whether its arch or CE, when all they know is either their own perspective field or none for that matter. I shake my head more at the ones that say architects go in and study a lot of construction, structure, &'science' to know how everything works when in reality a 9th grader can do the calculations that go into an arch program; i will say that architects don't need CE for relatively simple structures, but who do you think made that possible?
certifideballer 3 months ago
well, some people says that a architect can build a building .. and the civil engineer just evaluate it.. LOL WTF.. they don't know.. damn
nice video.. that's how engineers do.. they calculate and know the fact. if it is possible
lovelplants 3 months ago
Who represent the architect and who represent the civil engineer, because I don't know?
Aejae25 3 months ago
I don't think an architect would be able to tell you how to incorporate seismic design into their structure... designing for gravity loads is usually fairly simple
GRB20 3 months ago 3
@GRB20 I agree, I'm an Architect, and I always call up my engineers to inform me what is possible, but if its something I really want, I'll say to them..."Make it Possible"
hugostyles 3 months ago
Architecture deals with making the floor plans of a building and designing the shape of the building. Civil Engineering, working on the same building, would deal with the material used for the building and how to design the building so it can support its own weight. So there's quite a big difference there. Architecture is more like arts. Civil Engineering is more about physics.
jaanie16 3 months ago 3
@jaanie16 Architects indeed deal with the form and functionality of the building, but actually less complex structures can be designed entirely by them and they do decide what materials and technology is used. They are educated about solving construction problems, but its not as specialised knowledge as what civil engineers get. Architecture is a bit of everything when it comes to buildings, while civil engineering is entirely dedicated to construction. Thats the difference.
bart2ozor 3 months ago 2
@bart2ozor Hmmmm, I'm an architect, and i think your answer is very good.
hugostyles 3 months ago
@jaanie16 I would tend to agree with you in some aspects, except one...I do select the materials for every building, It needs alot of research sometimes, but its rewarding. I depend on my engineers to let me know what is possible in my complex structures. I did learn simple structural design principles an am completely able to design "smaller" or simpler structures on my own. But mostly I solely depend on the engineers for the structure.
hugostyles 3 months ago
Even when these architects are called on a major job, only one firm is needed. On a major job their are dozens of engineers just on the site alone. Median Salaries for site engineers is much higher than that of architects. To make decent cash as an architect you truly must be one of the best/work for yourself. Civil is the way to go for anyone interested. Structural engineer is much more rewarding than an architect. Unless you think of yourself as an artist.
lolsillyskop 4 months ago
ARCHITECT has been listed as one of the top 10 majors in the USA with the highest UNEMPLOYMENT rate. Despite learning calculus and structural design their job is to design what the building will look like. They do these classes so they know the building they are drawing is possible. Architects are being called upon less and less as more building are standardised. Also because engineers do not need an architect on project that are not going to be 'grand'
lolsillyskop 4 months ago
@bd886
mate its more than stand up nowadays. sustainable buildings and energy saving programmes are complete a new era for engineers.
Kubil6y 4 months ago 2
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im another one of civil engineer. . nd i don't want anybody has a contemp with us.i'm sure architect's important for building but they can't build it without engineer.i think u should respect to both of it.
fondests 4 months ago
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fondests 4 months ago
arni4000 you re an iretard
Gatecrusherify 4 months ago
A building can be designed WITHOUT an architect but cant be designed without an engineer.
Engineers are so much more important the architects in this day and age
Difference between the two?
Architect - Lets draw a pretty picture of what we want a building to look like (draws big building which has no practical knowledge factored into it)
Engineer - Makes sure that the building wont fail with the chosen materials (eq columns, beams, perlins and such) as well as making it completely safe
TheSDauncey 4 months ago
@TheSDauncey architects ARE engineers. We study an incredible amount of construction technology, structures, and statics of materials taught by architect-engineers. Many architects are also licensed engineers. Why waste our engineering knowledge if we had to study it in architecture school.. we know how our buildings will be built and what will be possible. Engineers mainly assist and help us find more sustainable and cost-efficient solutions and redesigning structure for specific needs.
greenuparch 3 months ago
An engineer can be an architect but an architect will never be an engineer!! When the recession hit companys kept the engineers and kicked out the architects, All architects designs have to go through engineers aprovals, and the top names on structures like opera house and bridges have the engineers names on top and architects at the bottom. Enough said
sohailrameez 4 months ago
@MrKingPin360 architects are artists....
nestor12121212 4 months ago
@nestor12121212
architects are a piece of shit. they waste our time and our money.
civil can do the work of an architect. ARCHITECTS CAN'T!
trixakias 4 months ago
@trixakias jajajajaja i am a architect and i do civil work many times.... and its true civil can do the work of an architect. but its very dificult to see good work... but i respect, i know good quality of civil engineers.
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greenuparch 3 months ago
You know some people like my friend are both.
akkashirei 4 months ago
maybe they can design a building without an architect, but the plan would probably be typical and the house turns out to be square like. and yes architects cannot build a house without engineers unless it's something reallly simple such as a two story single family house
mischiefz 4 months ago
i am an architect student.. we actually study a lot of construction and science.. we atleast need to have some degree of idea of how to construct our design. I interned in an architectural firm and we also have to sketchup out the structure of the building, beams, plank, plumbing etc.. and then send it to the engineer so they can calculate exactly how thick the beams and other specifications has to be. Civil engineering is mostly working out the details.
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alienheadful 4 months ago
@mischiefz
i would not say working out details but making ideas into reality.
alienheadful 4 months ago
@mischiefz the architect creates dreams.... the engineer makes them real
nshfan1 3 months ago 14
please for the sake of professionalism we have to respect both.
proximaism 1 month ago
@nshfan1 Architects can provide "design-build" services, it means we can design it and we can implement the project but we needs the sign of an engineer for the "structural" design only.
proximaism 1 month ago
@mischiefz exactly...and I'm a student too on every jury, we have to be clear as to how our design is structurally able as well.... or else we get screwed!! :D
Ernests11245 3 months ago
@mischiefz i want to start studying engineering but how long does it take to get bachelors if im done with basics already? anyone??
xXSYCADELICXx 3 months ago
@xXSYCADELICXx For my country, if you want to become a licensed engineer, you at least need the bachelor degree in engineering.. whether or not the university will let you graduate earlier depends if they let you transfer any of the subjects from earlier courses that you took relating to engineering. If you know the basics and never taken any countable courses.. most likely you will have to study it over again to become qualified for graduation..(not sure if its the same for other countries tho)
mischiefz 3 months ago
@mischiefz but i mean you need basic composition algebra speech government types of classes done in order to strt doing calculus physics and other engineering types of classes anyway no?
xXSYCADELICXx 3 months ago
@xXSYCADELICXx yes, but don't u learn all that in high school anyways? I think those are prerequisites and not part of the engineering major
mischiefz 3 months ago
@xXSYCADELICXx at least 7 semesters, 8 semesters normally
makanpermen 3 months ago
let me calculate how much of my time you wasted..30 fuken seconds!
khashya786786 5 months ago 44
If you enjoy what you do then good luck to you. Both jobs are respected equally. I am in it for the money and lets face it, what other people think about you DOES matter in the real world. A higher paying job where you are viewed as a man behind the unbelievable number crunching that made the erection of that building possible is awesome. As an 'artist' stuck on an average salary, not so much.
lolsillyskop 5 months ago
A job site is always growing meaning more engineers are needed to oversee every aspect. Sitting in an office drawing only requires a select amount of skilled people and will never reach a point where somebody says "we need more architects" lol. So would I rather be employed in an industry where promotions, large salaries, huge job opportunities home and abroad and an ever changing environment is certain. God yes. As an architect their is only so much you can do as only one will get credit.
lolsillyskop 5 months ago
@lolsillyskop architects work for passion, not salary. Simple as that.
greenuparch 3 months ago
Also in Australia folks the median salary for an architect is around 75k while a civil engineer's median salary is roughly 120k. To make the big bucks as an architect you truly have to be GREAT otherwise you will just wind up like 99 percent of them stuck in an office on the same pay. Engineers pay will always be higher, their will always be thousands of available positions as the demand never ceases, and their is always promotions to construction/site/office management.
lolsillyskop 5 months ago
but isnt a creative architect a bored civil engineer?
woodesroger 5 months ago
30 secs wasted
neosiagroup 5 months ago
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tub99899 5 months ago
noooooo ni idea de lo que suben esto es un promo de mac nada que ver con ing. o arquitectura
juan87funk 5 months ago
let me calculate how much time you've just wasted.... A LOT! how does this even relate to the "Architect vs Civil engineer" i was searching for
fernie349421 5 months ago
i don't understand why you have these problems between you, it's like a mechatronic and a robotic engeneer, nobody is better
jairgismo 6 months ago
i go for engineer rather than architect because an architect draws but an engineer calculates. what is architect without engineer...... nothing.
samathahiroshima 6 months ago
@samathahiroshima that's a little too simplistic... an architect does MORE than just draw... :)
RieVanM 6 months ago
architects are just derps who sit around and draw pictures, get a real profession, important buildings are always designed by engineers.
imsososogreat 6 months ago
@imsososogreat perhaps you could enumerate a few important buildings and tell us who designed them? :|
RieVanM 6 months ago
@RieVanM ALL important buildings
imsososogreat 6 months ago
Architect is an all-rounder while Engineer is a specialist.
kimura3033 6 months ago
This is funny ... yet very silly. Architecture needs collaboration to be effective and good, ie. Architects and Engineers need to work together to produce something of value.
No one is boring in this regard as they both add value into the venture they both get involved in.
ZeeDeveel19 6 months ago
mechanical engineer>civil engineer/architecture
MIGHTYSAMINYOURFACE 6 months ago
Well, i dont get what you really asked. In my university, I must learn about everything in architecture. Structure, aesthetic, vetilation, illumination etc although somethings aren't so much useful and updated.... Then use alls to practise with about 10 projects from small to big buildings function, likes resident, shop, restaurant, stadim ... They're a big hint for you about what you will learn in arch school. Reasons that I suggested you'll find it never boring.
leanhquan 6 months ago
I'm in Year 12 in Australia and I'm tossing up between the two at the moment. I think I have the creative capacity to be an architect and I want to design buildings, but I also like maths and physics and I don't really want to let go of that. My dream degree would be the Civil Engineering with Architecture degree at either UNSW or USyd (only two I know that have them).
DarKnightofCydonia 6 months ago
@DarKnightofCydonia Hi, I'm an architecture student, advise you going on Architecture, believe me, you'll not regret .
leanhquan 6 months ago
@leanhquan What kind of stuff do you do in your degree?
DarKnightofCydonia 6 months ago
@DarKnightofCydonia architecture!
leanhquan 6 months ago
@leanhquan You know what I mean. Specifics. I have no idea.
DarKnightofCydonia 6 months ago
this video has absolutely nothing with your title.
FAIL
GregariousGorilla 6 months ago
LOL me vs. my dad, he's a civil. watch me work by his side one day
abercrombiegal09 7 months ago
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jandusong 7 months ago
The internet just does not understand the concept of friendly competition.
lingojac 7 months ago
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@BrownHippyPant oh but im also indian :)
freedybox 7 months ago
@CreativeSoftDesigns thnx man btw im only 13 :)
freedybox 7 months ago
is bachelors in civil engineering easy please reply please please
freedybox 7 months ago
@freedybox No degree in engineering is easy. Its easier than some other engineering degrees, but still difficult compared to most other majors. DO NOT MAJOR IN ANY TYPE OF ENGINEERING IF YOU WANT AN EASY DEGREE!!!
MrZar90 7 months ago
@elitebro14
An architect is the overseer of a job. The building is ultimately his creation. Although it is no longer you have architects doing the entire job, engineers are not trained in ergonomics and architectural style. Without architecture, all buildings would be horrid. And just because you have a clusterf**k of engineers doesn't mean there isn't an architect at his office or with the client.
notdutchnotmuch 8 months ago
los arquitectos no calculan.. ni saben usar la calculadora cientifica solo saben dibujar-- los ingenieros son los que calculan. como hacer los soportes del dibujito que hizo el arkitecto
XxNiniODeLuxX 8 months ago
@XxNiniODeLuxX En la arqitectura se llevan muchas, matematicas, mi primo es arquitecto y es estructuralista y se la pasa haciendo calculos matematicos muy avanzados y complejos. de hecho el da clases de matematicas en una preparatoria.
KRATOSPOWER1000 3 months ago
@KRATOSPOWER1000 Ademas de asesorias de matematicas en el CONAMAT
KRATOSPOWER1000 3 months ago
This is the more stupid video I have ever seen
abicelo 8 months ago
I don't get it, so who's the architect again?
Dorklyy 8 months ago