The Music of Friedrich Nietzsche - Zigeunertanz

[WateverBr]

download link ?

[oleomilani]

This is something like late romanticism... Interesting, but doesn't get close his qualities as a philosopher...

[composer2510]

I prefer when he writes about music rather than actually writing it....

what a mess °___°

[Hrollief1]

@composer2510 Eat a Dick!



[OroborusFMA]

It's not surprising he had talents other than writing. In the same way, according to legend Plato wanted to be a great writer of tragedy but switched to philosophy.

[SSChapin]

i dont understan why is everyone hating Nietzsche? he is my hero, im the UBERMENSCH!

[jessemaurais]

I read somewhere that Wittgenstein also wrote and played music. But I've never heard his music before. Then again, I had never heard Nietzsche's music before today.

[Vivace214]

@jessemaurais You're right. He was an excellent pianist, and I'd wager his love of music (rejected by the Viennese School as "not meaningful") probably redirected his philosophical thinking towards "meaning" and ultimately, the theory of Language Games.

Also, he used to practice Beethoven sonatas on the train, with an imaginary piano. When he played a wrong note, he'd go back and correct it. Neat.

[hartforest]

@Vivace214 It might have to do more with the fact that Nietzsche's music is too joyful (frohliche), and hence, "vulgar" to "serious" tastes given that the prevalent belief equates musical melancholy with meatiness. You'd think Nietzsche's music would give people a clue regarding his writing: joy. May I suggest to you Clement Rosset's beautiful _Joyful Cruelty_ for illustration. It's a *very* different take on Nietzsche and you may really enjoy it.

[missopan]

Nietzsche is literature-hero, the messiah..

[Tepeloyolohtli]

Tambien componía musica!!! este hombre es la neta celestial!!! algo romántica, pero suena muy muy bien

[tubeuploader]

is there anybody who have the sheet (pdf or whatever it is) of this composition?

thanks?

[Goetterdaemmerung7]

Nietzsche is a bit strange in my opinion, and not so valuable as his compatriot Wagner. But I would like to learn more of the relationship between these two men if anyone can suggest a read?

[ZerstorenAH]

@Goetterdaemmerung7 Not sure if there is a particular book detailing they're relationship, other than Contra Wagner. I know Wagner was insulted when Nietzsche walked out on one of his compositions due to one of his usual health bouts, this led to break between the two. . Nietzsche also may have had an affair with Cosima, although thats unproven. Also they're relationship may have endured strains when faced with ideological differences between the two.

[Goetterdaemmerung7]

@ZerstorenAH Nevertheless thank you, for this information is the type of which I was searching for.

[ZerstorenAH]

@Goetterdaemmerung7 Glad to help then.

[TheMrAmfortas]

@ZerstorenAH i never heared that nietzsche walked out during a wagner composition? where u got that piece of information?

the affair story is unlikely and not seen as a reason either.

nietzsches music was always very bad and he kept nagging richard to help him out. first he did that and soon had friedrich every day at their door. waht they then did was simple: move in another city. friedrich was insulted and they never talked again.



[ZerstorenAH]

@TheMrAmfortas I received the information from two documentaries, and somewhere else i cant recall. And the affair thing I realize that is unlikely, but it is disputed as there is a book published in Nietzsche's name titled "My Sister", where he details a supposed incestuous relationship with his sister and Cosima. Mind the books legitimacey seems hinging upon a thread, and anyone who has read it will tell you the prose seems rather eccentric to be of Nietzsches authorship.

[ZerstorenAH]

@TheMrAmfortas So it is nearly guarenteed he didnt write that book. About the music i dont think anyone considered him bad. But he was an academic, not a composer, although he expressed wishes to be.

[TheMrAmfortas]

@ZerstorenAH If his music was seen as bad or good might have been individualy, but for sure he never got much approval for his musical work. The relation between Wagner and Nietzsche is in most Nietzsche biographies I've read an important point and often classified as a hudge admire towards wagner. (the early) Nietzsche himself often wrote his preambles like 'To Wagner:' and even gave two booktitles wagners name:

"Richard Wagner in Bayreuth", "Der Fall Wagner" and "Nietzsche contra Wagner"

[Vivace214]

@TheMrAmfortas Pardon me, but I think you're somewhat mistaken. Nietzche reportedly felt physically ill on hearing the premier of Wagner's Ring cycle, and walked out of the performance halfway through (he attributed his sickness to the excessively "Christian" undercurrent in the meisterwerke). While their relationship had already been failing, Wagner took this as the last straw and the two parted ways.

[chrish12345]

like a cross between beethoven, schubert and schumann

[AdlejandroP]

He said that one night he was clubbing

[Crunkmastaflexx]

As a serious qustion, how is this the music of friedrich nietzsche? Like did he compose aswell or have a mix tape or something?

[tauwilltriumph]

@Crunkmastaflexx he composed as well

[Srxjer]

Wow I had absolutely no idea he was a composer too, thanks for sharing! :)

[Granualt]

Is this from Nietzsches Musikalishe Nachlasse?

[obiwanobiwan13]

1:20-1:36

Now THAT'S the Nietzsche we know from his writings--listen to that BURST!

That just screams "Will To POWER!" ;)

Nietzsche's my favorite thinker, but remember this, one and all--do not ever be afraid to disagree with him. Too often people side with one thinker so dogmatically they might as well have picked a new God for themselves (see: Dawkins-ites.)

Nietzsche wanted us to think for ourselves.

So sir--I disagree on some things.

But still an Ubermensch! ZARATHUSTRA!

[tiakpark]

@obiwanobiwan13 Only when you have left me shall I return to you-Zarathustra

[darkevan1308]

Hey you could sent d me the songs?

[rawautube]

He composed this? !

[Serinia4melodic]

@rawautube yes

[EtrofOnaip]

Nice & Light &

Who is the pianist ?

[mwpunk182]

Not a fan of most of his Hymn to Friends but this is an all around good piece; the influence of Liszt is readily apparent here.

[samuelmsm]

Sehr Gut!

[ugolinoandhissons]

He should have stuck to writing cute little pieces of music.

[Staticnz]

I think this is a great piece.  Much better than I expected and much better than other ones I've heard from him.

[nirvanozo]

amazing

[pitcalco]

Thanks for posting this. I never knew he was a composer as well. I would have missed out on this side of his personality.

As a younger man, I identified with Nietzsche in some ways though he was clearly a tormented soul and lacked self-distance. I would have liked to heard more of his musical aspirations.

[mognite]

@pitcalco what do you mean he lacked self distance

[pitcalco]

@mognite Well, I read a lot of his philosophy at first and I can appreciate him to an extent. However, after learning about his personal life, I could recognise a bit too much of his own experiences in making general philosophical positions. A certain degree of projection is to be expected, but for instance, taking his own personal unfortune with his love life and then projecting it into the broad generalities about women he does is what I meant by having a lack of self-distance.

[mognite]

@pitcalco maybe, regarding women/love, he was right. The truth is often uglier than what is perceived/hoped. for example, the divorce rate, which does not even count the number of relationships that do not reach marriage, or the number of current unhappy marriages .Alternatively, it is hard to tell his exact position on the matter,it is a complicated topic, evolution plays an absolutely huge role in this, and perhaps he was advocating circumspection and offering a potential warning of the issues

[pitcalco]

@mognite A fair point and you might be right. The topic of love and women was but one of many aspects I noticed seemed to stem from extrapolating his own circumstances onto a general plane. It has been about 12 years since I last read him though. An interesting personality, to be sure.

[mognite]

@pitcalco another consideration regarding the understanding/interpretation of his writings, he often used literary devices, or other devices by which his writings shouldn't be interpreted literally. Because of this, I think -in general- excessively extreme positions are often mistakenly attributed to him, when he actually meant to communicate a different position.

[pitcalco]

@mognite Yes, and I did keep that in mind when first reading him. Nietzsche is one of those personalities from history that most people only know second hand, or have only read or heard evaluations from others.

[mognite]

@pitcalco Whether or not this applies here is hard to say, but in any case, once anyone see how ugly things can get, there may be more agreeableness regarding his position. It is also worth considering that he is offering just one potential way to approach the issues. He never wanted his writings to be consumed by the population at large, indeed he only expected to be read/understood by individuals of a certain "disposition," so the extent to which he was generalizing may in fact be much less...

[hartforest]

@pitcalco Hello. I don't think Nietzsche was making "broad generalizations about women" at all. Remember he was a philologist, and as such, made use of etymologies in his writing. For instance, the German term for woman is "Weib" which, according to the etymology of his day (see Kluge) was related to an idea present in Sanskrit "vip" meaning "inwardly excited, inspired (as in a priest)." This carried over into the related Germanic peoples' veneration of women...

[hartforest]

@pitcalco ...This double movement: the inward excitement of the individual (the priestly) and the outward social veneration (of the priestly) plays, I think, heavily into Nietzsche's writing regarding metaphysical/philosophical "truth," the "ascetic ideal," Christian/Socratic morality, etc. That is, he sees traditional philosophical "truth" as a denial of the fact that one "ego" foist their inspiration (ex: metaphysical assertions) upon a "herd" which venerates that egoistic vision in turn,...

[hartforest]

@pitcalco ...while both the "herd" and "ego" both forget the *perspective* and creative fictionalization, regard it as "objective truth," finally becoming tradition. Nietzsche hints to this on numerous occasions, one example lies in the Preface to BGE. Not only this, I think he is playing with the "feminization" of "truth" (in German "die Wahrheit" the "die" being feminine) and traditional philosophy, where "sophia" became "female." Hope this contributes to your readings of Nietzsche. Cheers!

[hartforest]

@pitcalco Oh yes, and one more thing. In what is arguably the best reading of Nietzschean thought I've come across (Clement Rosset's _Joyful Cruelty_) a point was made that I've entertained in studying Nietzsche: that is, that his philosophy arose out of his music. If the title of N's first work is any hint ("The Birth of Tragedy from the Spirit of Music") one can see this from the outset. I would only add to Rosset's point, that philology is also there in the same "arising" of N's philosophy.

[pitcalco]

@hartforest Thanks for that very exhaustive reply. You clearly have given the matter much more thought that I have. I will certainly keep it in mind if and when I start reading him again, but in fairness and not to be patronising, I put his writing down 12 years ago and I am not sure I will read him again with the same attention that you have. I do feel I am better off for having read him, but at this point I am more interested in his musical endeavours than his philosophical writing

[mognite]

@pitcalco Apologies, I didn't realize you had been responding, until I refreshed the page later. Regarding your initial statement, like you said, a certain amount of projection is expected and perhaps even necessary, whether or not said projection was excessive, and resulted in generalized philosophical positions, I think is very difficult to determine-at the very least, I think the terms/question would have to be qualified further, in order to yield a useful question/answer.

[mognite]

@pitcalco Those complexities aside, what I can say, is that normally I find reading philosophy to be an absolutely frustrating/enraging/annoying experience, because there are always so many things that I don't agree with/don't make sense/aren't reasonable/are stylistically poor, but when I read Nietzsche writings on the various topics, it was the first time when essentially everything I had read resonated within my own thoughts. It was an affirmation of all my values/thoughts.

[dfhzrf]

I actually like it. I like it a lot.

[ZigIsou]

Yeah it really isn't that bad, especially considering he didn't in any way make a name for himself as a musician. Still, I wouldn't ever choose to listen to this music if not for educational purposes. I do believe he would have been a fine musician/composer in all likelihood had he chosen to go that route. A very talented individual

[helgepj]

Gott ist tot - Nietzsche

Nietzsche ist tot - Gott

[v199AGR]

Tote sprechen nicht.

[GassyCoke]

@v199AGR Wie weist du das?Wie weist du das du nicht tot bist?

Vielleicht sind wir alle tot. Und was ist Tot?

[ajhoover83]

@helgepj

You're now speaking for God? How presumptuous.

[pitcalco]

@ajhoover83 Not really. That is just an old joke.

[acdcislaw]

Gott ist Tot

[hyperkeyboard91]

who has played this piece?

[voidforpurpose]

"Gypsy Dance".

Inspired by "Carmen", his favorite by Bizet?

A pity Nietzsche didn't live long enough to develop this side of his talent to the level of his literary and philosophical Art.

All of his music has the feel of "exercises" never quite getting to be embodied Compositions.

A loss.

[CandyCatastrophe]

he's my hero.

[IStehSHIT]

@CandyCatastrophe that's sad on so many levels

[AbyssOfConciousness]

Genius.

1:20 is insane.

God is dead. :)

[ajhoover83]

@AbyssOfConciousness

large wiener package in his pocket

insane

[W2QYVkz789]

I like Nietzsche.

[mjohnsonbcp]

where did you find these songs... i need them...

[omareligion]

Hey you can just download them from youtube o @mjohnsonbcp

[WoundedKite]

This is a brilliant piece, I had no idea Nietzsche was a capable composer too...