My computer program generates these patterns "naturally" too. I hadn't programmed it to do it, it evolved to do it in a natural way in optimization. Does it mean that God messed with my computer? :P
at 18 i became an atheist..after watching the "women of the church" fight over carpet colors and window treatments. However, when I read R. Buckminster Fuller's Synergy, I knew a mastermind was behind this madness...math is God's language, God is the greatest physicist, and the entire universe is based on octaves..and closest packing of spheres. Then, on a journey with my manic depressive wife, i saw miracles and supernatural occurences..so watch out..there is more here than meets the eye. G.URU
@lanagual We have live church services at wwwdotkbcliveavdotcom Sundays 10 am to noon EST. We are unable to argue over colors as we meet in an Econo Lodge.
In the Qur'an this issue of Proportionality is related in 13 Chapters starting from Chapter 13(known as Thunder) itself at Verse 8... And in Chapter 55(titled Most Gracious) Allah(swt) start asking questions at Verse 13: Then which of the favors of Your Lord will you deny...!?
The sunflower is certainly an example of a creator. As the seeds grow, the next seed grows straight out from the centre in a direction of about 137.5 degrees of the preceeding seed's direction, giving rise to the spiral patterns of the florets that you see in the sunflower's core. the angle of 137.5 degrees is linked with the golden ratio.
it makes no logical sense to make the connection between omnipotent being/creator and numbers. God is us. Us are god. Good is good and so are you. Well, if you want to be. I agree we have a great symbiotic connection with numbers and patterns in the natural world that surrounds us. No evidence of the omnipotent being though
lol, there are several scientific theories on the golden ratio, and the term "gods fingerprint" is (in standard education) used to show the widespread nature of this phenomenon. Life and nature sharing the similarities with the fibonacci numbers is acctally not to hard to theorise -the future(of developed life and nature) always beeing a product of the past(----"----). Thus, phi as a natural cause of the Fibonacci-sequence acctually sugests evolutional therory beeing probable.
could of god not had evolution in his plan? An all powerful all knowing being that if possible to make everything why not have evolution in his plan. He got board of dinosauors obviously. why not the idea that he wanted some change to adapt how it/he/she/whatever sees fit?
You do not believe in CREATOR. Well, you should ask some questions from yourself.
1.Who created telephone?
2.Who created airplane?
3.Who created atom bomb?
4.Who created man?
If a telephone, airplane or bomb cant be created by bigbang then please explain the possibility of creation of the master piece of all the creations i.e. MAN?
...evolution of the human brain progressing towards logic and understanding physical reality, then gets capable of acknowlegding the structure of our suroundings for the purpose of manipulating them after its interest
ekbarbasebar, that was possibly the most idiotic argument for anything I've ever heard, thank you for my daily laugh lol.
We believe in the ability to create, not a supreme and divine Creator.
Next time read a little more carefully ^_^
btw, man isn't the only thing that creates. Animals create, gravity creates. Hell as Miller and Urey discovered, the building blocks of organic life, Amino Acids, can be created by a cycle of nothing but water being evaporated, exposed to lightning, and cooled
God of Gaps argumentation again.. these are all results of millions of years of evolution and change. The mount insurmountable nature of the physical phenomena you refer to has got another nice gentle slope to the back...
Intelligent design... might aswell say creation theory, not proven and is based 100% on the belief in God, truth genesis you name it, no basis what so ever in reality. The number phi (1.618 not stable) is more based on gravity than a divine power.
there is no proof for creationism ,but the golden ratio ,or the golden mean is real and it fasinates me ,it annoys me when things that are solid like the golden ratio ,get related to religion. its takes away the fabulous truth of how the golden ratio relates everything to each other.
I have always heard the same things about Phi and the Fibonacci numbers,(the partenon,the shells,the flowers,etc,etc)but,got be something else related with this constant,something deeply hiden that explain its inner nature and how is connected with everything else..
what kind of RESEARCH? Just have a look in the friggin bible - tells you all about creation. in fact you´ll never find a proof for creation in nature - sure one might say: "this is so perfectly made - this could only be made by god. Proof!"
NO! It´s not!
I´m not trying to dissuade anyone from his faith.
But what these guys are saying proofes NOTHING, they´re not even arguing.
I've got a riddle that will mess with your heads, theists:Can God make a boulder that even He Himself cannot lift?It's a trick question that proves God is not omnipotent. Simple logic, people, it's all it takes sometimes.
'Elohim' the Hebrew word for God is a plural and means 'Those who come from the sky'. There is a singular of Elohim. It is 'Eloha] and is where the word Allah comes from.
The Elohim have their own planet and would like us to welcome them back to Earth as our parents.
Intelligent design. "Let us make man in OUR own images and after OUR own likeness." Genesis
Idiots!! God isn't interested in beauty! It's function -- what works continues on and replicates itself and what doesn't work dies (that's evolution). Unfortunately, these idiots are allowed to reproduce and their DNA stays in the gene pool. How sad! They have it all backwards!!
only puffed-up mortal fools with their tiny brains, believe in evolution. Go to India find a Sadhu, serve him, humbly, and he might tell u the truth. what lies beyond our intellect,mind and senses is unknown to us, but if we say there's nothing there,then we're arrogant fools. we only know what we are allowed to know, nothing else, Life comes from life. matter cannot create cosciousness, but consciousness CAN create matter, its soooo simple
her's a good one...1st there was nothing/something, it exploded, cooled,hardened, then in some dirty water matter drag itself together and said who am i ? hahahahahahahahahah
Too bad matter does have the power to create consciousness. Our brains have the power to do this. And what are our brains made of AH OMG! matter. However I would love to see a video of you making matter with you consciousness. the only reason you believe that is because its "soooo" simple. Sorry but you have your points backwards.
You don't know that it was proven, you only know what 7th grade level reading material has told you and the rest of the world. Real scholars know that the jury is still out on the whole question. We have so much to learn about nature, science, math, the universe, and creation as it unfolded. Even the greatest of us knows so very little! So slow down with your immature understanding... just saying.
Evolution is unscientific, Albert Einstien,himself said so. no one has ever shown it happening. evolutionary science is BELIEVED-IN, just like Christians believe in God. egg or chicken,until u can answer this question. ..shut up. imperfect beings create imperfect theories,which they later discard for the next imperfect theory. something cant come from nothing. as Sir Isaac Newton said, to believe the solar system was created by chance is insane. Ps i am not a creationist
Evolution, it can be changed, it is a theory. In fact they recently redid a lot of their previously done experiments and the theory changed by a lot. creationism, a theory that is known as fact by the people who research it. the theory can't be changed so they have to find evidence that fits the theory and ignore evidence that proves it wrong. Therefore more open to corruption and forged results. Then they take stuff like this and they say its too beautiful to be created naturally or some bs.
You're uneducated in scientific method. A theory in science is not "Just a theory" - it is a proven hypothesis. Do your homework.
Creationism is not proven, in fact it's just a hypothesis and will remain so indefinately until they come up with any real proof. And they haven't yet - they only try to prove their own hypothesis by trying to find flaws in scientific theories. Creationists get their asses whopped time after time.
You're right about that there isn't complete proof of creationism being wrong. But the point I'm trying to make is that if there ever were complete undeniable proof of creationism being wrong, I can almost guarantee that there would still be people who would ignore it.
There is NO proof at ALL for creationism. Not one single. The only proof the intelligent design movement tries to use is the lack of proof for things in scientific theories. That is, in itself, not any proof at all. They look at a planet and go "oh - this planet spins the wrong way - GOD DID IT!".
God & evolution need not be at odds. Fibonacci spirals in nature are proof positive that evolution is in play with or without intelligent designers. All enduring forms: ideas, art, furniture, plants, bones, etc., require strong proportions. If F spiral is the strongest, in nature, organisms with it pass on their genes, folks. Doesn't mean God does not exist. It's a non-issue. God deserves to be appreciated. But, don't dumb down geometry or biology, please.
Evolutionists have a big problem. All creation follows the laws of physics, but those same laws of physics preclude evolution. So when they must confront the fact that God did it, they just fold their arms like little children and stubbornly shake their heads no,no,no.
Why do you say fact? Physics means there is a God? WTF?!? "This is a problem for evolutionists' like a four leaf clover is a problem for creationists. Humans have evolved with Fibonacci numbers around them, on food, of course we find them appealing! Fibonacci numbers on plant exist because it is the most efficient organization of petals. Evolutionary miracle, or natural efficiency in a growing changing competing ecosystem here on Earth.
religion does poison because it is tradition. but if you really seek and search for God you will find it is everythig but poison. it is no longer tradition it is a life style and a relationship.
No. Religion is poisonous. It contaminates everything it touches.
Just listen to that soundtrack. Religion contaminates the thinking of the man who issues it, with the result his reasoning is completely arse-about-face.
Don't forget ... if this nonsense sounds 'reasonable' to you, then you too have your reasoning hat on back-to-front.
I want facts... not intelligent design. :|
pacheco410222 6 months ago
@pacheco410222 Creationists want real science not your science fiction. ;)
BereanBeacon1 6 months ago
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Neat video! I am an artist on YouTube trying to promote my theory on the dynamics of light and time
Could the Fibonacci numbers and Fractals be formed by the repetition of time forming the geometry of spacetime?
This theory is based on just two simple postulates
1. The first is that the quantum wave particle function represents the forward passage of time itself
2. The second is that Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle is the same uncertainty we have with any future event
nickharvey7 7 months ago
My computer program generates these patterns "naturally" too. I hadn't programmed it to do it, it evolved to do it in a natural way in optimization. Does it mean that God messed with my computer? :P
Saskachewan 10 months ago
at 18 i became an atheist..after watching the "women of the church" fight over carpet colors and window treatments. However, when I read R. Buckminster Fuller's Synergy, I knew a mastermind was behind this madness...math is God's language, God is the greatest physicist, and the entire universe is based on octaves..and closest packing of spheres. Then, on a journey with my manic depressive wife, i saw miracles and supernatural occurences..so watch out..there is more here than meets the eye. G.URU
lanagual 11 months ago
@lanagual We have live church services at wwwdotkbcliveavdotcom Sundays 10 am to noon EST. We are unable to argue over colors as we meet in an Econo Lodge.
BereanBeacon1 11 months ago
In the Qur'an this issue of Proportionality is related in 13 Chapters starting from Chapter 13(known as Thunder) itself at Verse 8... And in Chapter 55(titled Most Gracious) Allah(swt) start asking questions at Verse 13: Then which of the favors of Your Lord will you deny...!?
malinehydara 1 year ago
The sunflower is certainly an example of a creator. As the seeds grow, the next seed grows straight out from the centre in a direction of about 137.5 degrees of the preceeding seed's direction, giving rise to the spiral patterns of the florets that you see in the sunflower's core. the angle of 137.5 degrees is linked with the golden ratio.
AndromedaChao2 1 year ago 2
it makes no logical sense to make the connection between omnipotent being/creator and numbers. God is us. Us are god. Good is good and so are you. Well, if you want to be. I agree we have a great symbiotic connection with numbers and patterns in the natural world that surrounds us. No evidence of the omnipotent being though
noocher84 1 year ago
idiots
BrianOakely 1 year ago
Evolutionary miracle? or the signature of it's creator.
matrxmax 2 years ago
@matrxmax Evolutionary miracle.
BEERandWEED 1 year ago
@BEERandWEED If that is what you believe, you have for faith then me.
matrxmax 1 year ago
I see how this works..
2 +2= God
OK..wrap it up folks. Nothing to see here anymore.
We have it all figured out.
Move along...
mattghtpa 2 years ago
@mattghtpa Yep go back to cartoons.
wlodzio47 1 year ago
@wlodzio47
That is what is commonly called sarcasm.
Uness of course I have say, yep, go back your Bronze Age fairytale?
mattghtpa 1 year ago
Pseudo science to the max!!
geovision 2 years ago
all you guys are so confused
dixiemudnut 2 years ago
lol, there are several scientific theories on the golden ratio, and the term "gods fingerprint" is (in standard education) used to show the widespread nature of this phenomenon. Life and nature sharing the similarities with the fibonacci numbers is acctally not to hard to theorise -the future(of developed life and nature) always beeing a product of the past(----"----). Thus, phi as a natural cause of the Fibonacci-sequence acctually sugests evolutional therory beeing probable.
No offence
chillakis 2 years ago
could of god not had evolution in his plan? An all powerful all knowing being that if possible to make everything why not have evolution in his plan. He got board of dinosauors obviously. why not the idea that he wanted some change to adapt how it/he/she/whatever sees fit?
party489 2 years ago
You do not believe in CREATOR. Well, you should ask some questions from yourself.
1.Who created telephone?
2.Who created airplane?
3.Who created atom bomb?
4.Who created man?
If a telephone, airplane or bomb cant be created by bigbang then please explain the possibility of creation of the master piece of all the creations i.e. MAN?
ekbarbasekbar 2 years ago
...evolution of the human brain progressing towards logic and understanding physical reality, then gets capable of acknowlegding the structure of our suroundings for the purpose of manipulating them after its interest
chillakis 2 years ago
You are soooooo lost my friend, sorry sack of shit walking around sucking oxygen.
77musica 2 years ago
ekbarbasebar, that was possibly the most idiotic argument for anything I've ever heard, thank you for my daily laugh lol.
We believe in the ability to create, not a supreme and divine Creator.
Next time read a little more carefully ^_^
btw, man isn't the only thing that creates. Animals create, gravity creates. Hell as Miller and Urey discovered, the building blocks of organic life, Amino Acids, can be created by a cycle of nothing but water being evaporated, exposed to lightning, and cooled
splib117 2 years ago
Amino acids need to be left handed to prove the evolution shit theory right, but but BUT never has this been accomplished.
77musica 2 years ago
HE has a purpose, profound thoughts that only a few humans are going to understand.
Carry on.
77musica 2 years ago
Learn how to spell idiot. "board"? bored is correct!
Carry on idiota.
77musica 2 years ago
God of Gaps argumentation again.. these are all results of millions of years of evolution and change. The mount insurmountable nature of the physical phenomena you refer to has got another nice gentle slope to the back...
Nickplay 2 years ago
Intelligent design... might aswell say creation theory, not proven and is based 100% on the belief in God, truth genesis you name it, no basis what so ever in reality. The number phi (1.618 not stable) is more based on gravity than a divine power.
tneew 2 years ago
there is no proof for creationism ,but the golden ratio ,or the golden mean is real and it fasinates me ,it annoys me when things that are solid like the golden ratio ,get related to religion. its takes away the fabulous truth of how the golden ratio relates everything to each other.
sheild34 3 years ago
what all do you know about fibonacci and everything with the golden ratio?!
i want to learn but i have no clue where to start? could you help me or direct me to someone who can
thx!
REDXLR8 3 years ago
I have always heard the same things about Phi and the Fibonacci numbers,(the partenon,the shells,the flowers,etc,etc)but,got be something else related with this constant,something deeply hiden that explain its inner nature and how is connected with everything else..
Rangerobert 2 years ago
"institute for creation research"??? WTF???
what kind of RESEARCH? Just have a look in the friggin bible - tells you all about creation. in fact you´ll never find a proof for creation in nature - sure one might say: "this is so perfectly made - this could only be made by god. Proof!"
NO! It´s not!
I´m not trying to dissuade anyone from his faith.
But what these guys are saying proofes NOTHING, they´re not even arguing.
OK?
OK.
SpreadDaFonk 3 years ago
A pattern is by defintion a repetitive action or evolving event; evolutionary circumstance.
oldpython 3 years ago
I've got a riddle that will mess with your heads, theists:Can God make a boulder that even He Himself cannot lift?It's a trick question that proves God is not omnipotent. Simple logic, people, it's all it takes sometimes.
sleepy53466 3 years ago
'Elohim' the Hebrew word for God is a plural and means 'Those who come from the sky'. There is a singular of Elohim. It is 'Eloha] and is where the word Allah comes from.
The Elohim have their own planet and would like us to welcome them back to Earth as our parents.
Intelligent design. "Let us make man in OUR own images and after OUR own likeness." Genesis
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popealice 3 years ago
lol the title says something about evolutionary miracle but they talk about God and stuff. Just wondering who's the culprit.
daveheet 3 years ago
ROFL @ GOD
DanWasHereLol 3 years ago
BLASPHEMY FTW!!!
CharlesWII 3 years ago
Fibonacci spirals is the hair of indigenous people who many people call black, african, negro, colored etc.
Initialspeed7 3 years ago
Idiots!! God isn't interested in beauty! It's function -- what works continues on and replicates itself and what doesn't work dies (that's evolution). Unfortunately, these idiots are allowed to reproduce and their DNA stays in the gene pool. How sad! They have it all backwards!!
7r6iu7gd 3 years ago
Hillarious! hahaha!
Rickskiii 3 years ago
lol @ "God had to do this"
In the past, God had to create gravity, the sun, and life too.
willashland 3 years ago 3
only puffed-up mortal fools with their tiny brains, believe in evolution. Go to India find a Sadhu, serve him, humbly, and he might tell u the truth. what lies beyond our intellect,mind and senses is unknown to us, but if we say there's nothing there,then we're arrogant fools. we only know what we are allowed to know, nothing else, Life comes from life. matter cannot create cosciousness, but consciousness CAN create matter, its soooo simple
madhucando33 3 years ago
her's a good one...1st there was nothing/something, it exploded, cooled,hardened, then in some dirty water matter drag itself together and said who am i ? hahahahahahahahahah
madhucando33 3 years ago
How do you know????
7r6iu7gd 3 years ago
Too bad matter does have the power to create consciousness. Our brains have the power to do this. And what are our brains made of AH OMG! matter. However I would love to see a video of you making matter with you consciousness. the only reason you believe that is because its "soooo" simple. Sorry but you have your points backwards.
WelshieGuy 3 years ago
No one in the whole world can be the final authority on this subject. Will everyone stop being so defensive???
Apolloswan 3 years ago
hurl, barf, puke, vomit, if you can think of a synonym, this video probably made me do it.
savagecatdjk 3 years ago
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evolution is bullshit, its a THEORY that has never been proved....
madhucando33 3 years ago
Do you understand the difference between theory and hypothesis?
eirefrance 3 years ago 7
Theories are NEVER proven. Being "proven" is not what theories actually DO!
This is something creationists just can't understand, for some reason.. (all morons?)
For the sake of creationists everywhere, let it be known that...
Theories are only ever DIS-proven, which happens when a better theory comes along....(one that better explains the facts).
That's exactly what happened to the 6-day creation theory. Evolution comprehensively disproved it, and did so thousands of times over.
effyleven 3 years ago 2
You don't know that it was proven, you only know what 7th grade level reading material has told you and the rest of the world. Real scholars know that the jury is still out on the whole question. We have so much to learn about nature, science, math, the universe, and creation as it unfolded. Even the greatest of us knows so very little! So slow down with your immature understanding... just saying.
menderfire9 3 years ago
Evolution is unscientific, Albert Einstien,himself said so. no one has ever shown it happening. evolutionary science is BELIEVED-IN, just like Christians believe in God. egg or chicken,until u can answer this question. ..shut up. imperfect beings create imperfect theories,which they later discard for the next imperfect theory. something cant come from nothing. as Sir Isaac Newton said, to believe the solar system was created by chance is insane. Ps i am not a creationist
madhucando33 3 years ago
And religion isnt?
Huitzel 3 years ago 3
Evolution, it can be changed, it is a theory. In fact they recently redid a lot of their previously done experiments and the theory changed by a lot. creationism, a theory that is known as fact by the people who research it. the theory can't be changed so they have to find evidence that fits the theory and ignore evidence that proves it wrong. Therefore more open to corruption and forged results. Then they take stuff like this and they say its too beautiful to be created naturally or some bs.
WelshieGuy 3 years ago
Since creation is the truth not a theory, there is no evidence that proves it wrong.
Sophrosyne22 3 years ago
You're uneducated in scientific method. A theory in science is not "Just a theory" - it is a proven hypothesis. Do your homework.
Creationism is not proven, in fact it's just a hypothesis and will remain so indefinately until they come up with any real proof. And they haven't yet - they only try to prove their own hypothesis by trying to find flaws in scientific theories. Creationists get their asses whopped time after time.
mikisenx 3 years ago
You're right about that there isn't complete proof of creationism being wrong. But the point I'm trying to make is that if there ever were complete undeniable proof of creationism being wrong, I can almost guarantee that there would still be people who would ignore it.
WelshieGuy 3 years ago
There is NO proof at ALL for creationism. Not one single. The only proof the intelligent design movement tries to use is the lack of proof for things in scientific theories. That is, in itself, not any proof at all. They look at a planet and go "oh - this planet spins the wrong way - GOD DID IT!".
That's not serious science.
mikisenx 3 years ago
who is this collective they? where are your refernces for changed theories? sounds like the rantings of a stoner
kristopopins 2 years ago
This video made me vomit.
More intellibent design bs.
kidfunkyfryed 3 years ago 2
if you ask me all this crap is just more proof that every living thing evolved from the same organism
masternater0710 4 years ago
i clicked on this link looking for science and math...instead i got an earfull of christ.
lazychump 4 years ago 19
lol
masternater0710 4 years ago 4
I know, right? I was just surfing for science relatd videoss and this shit comes up. IT BURNS US!!!! FAT STUPID CHRISTIANSES!!!!!
infinity2rip 3 years ago
Thanks for this video. If I had known these kinds of things I would have maybe loved math instead of not liking it. :-)
Fascinating!
LoricaLady 4 years ago
the great force or spirit (God) is not the opposite force of physics and science or viceversa. In fact they sustent one onother. think about it ;)
vortexcito 4 years ago
why the crap does thease god haten ppl care so much about Christians believing in god? if you answer this question it will ease my confusion.
ShantiIly 4 years ago
Christians are salt, they are open wounds.
Add salt into open wounds....
The effect is obvious and instant.
blueblue1891 2 years ago
thanks that explaned. God Bless
ShantiIly 2 years ago
God & evolution need not be at odds. Fibonacci spirals in nature are proof positive that evolution is in play with or without intelligent designers. All enduring forms: ideas, art, furniture, plants, bones, etc., require strong proportions. If F spiral is the strongest, in nature, organisms with it pass on their genes, folks. Doesn't mean God does not exist. It's a non-issue. God deserves to be appreciated. But, don't dumb down geometry or biology, please.
marcusbarr 4 years ago
Please post a vlog on the FIVE EONS of time .
CrispyTheCrab 4 years ago
Evolutionists have a big problem. All creation follows the laws of physics, but those same laws of physics preclude evolution. So when they must confront the fact that God did it, they just fold their arms like little children and stubbornly shake their heads no,no,no.
crazy650c 4 years ago
Why do you say fact? Physics means there is a God? WTF?!? "This is a problem for evolutionists' like a four leaf clover is a problem for creationists. Humans have evolved with Fibonacci numbers around them, on food, of course we find them appealing! Fibonacci numbers on plant exist because it is the most efficient organization of petals. Evolutionary miracle, or natural efficiency in a growing changing competing ecosystem here on Earth.
scienceminded 4 years ago
thats right dude..deeply inside they know theres something else than Darwin theory..the world explain it by itself
Rangerobert 2 years ago
THEY!
tyniehawk 2 years ago
????????????????
Rangerobert 2 years ago
How religion poisons everything... :-(
effyleven 4 years ago
religion does poison because it is tradition. but if you really seek and search for God you will find it is everythig but poison. it is no longer tradition it is a life style and a relationship.
speakoflife2000 4 years ago 3
No. Religion is poisonous. It contaminates everything it touches.
Just listen to that soundtrack. Religion contaminates the thinking of the man who issues it, with the result his reasoning is completely arse-about-face.
Don't forget ... if this nonsense sounds 'reasonable' to you, then you too have your reasoning hat on back-to-front.
effyleven 4 years ago
i think that what i said
speakoflife2000 4 years ago
hold up... all we see are the frigging shells?? audio only? ok so bye!
gigimc 4 years ago
Or... the constant of gravity may create this effect.
unclebeen 4 years ago
i just got creationist-rolled
cultusstultus 4 years ago
Hahahaha. Funny, I was just thinking the same thing.
Bledaddiction 4 years ago
what does that mean ???
speakoflife2000 4 years ago
lol nice!
WelshieGuy 3 years ago