“This, milord, is my family's axe. We have owned it for almost nine hundred years, see. Of course, sometimes it needed a new blade. And sometimes it has required a new handle, new designs on the metalwork, a little refreshing of the ornamentation... but is this not the nine hundred-year-old axe of my family? And because it has changed gently over time, it is still a pretty good axe, y'know. Pretty good.”
We talked about this in science class. The way we thought of it was there's this accident prone guy, and he keeps replacing his body parts, until finally his brain is replaced with a computer. The question is at what point is he just a computer?
Just fyi, you don't currently have any of the cells that you had at birth. Your body is being continuously replaced on a cellular level. The oldest cells that you have won't be older than ten years old. I agree that it's not a new boat if it's done gradually.
Perhaps it is more about the concept of identity rather than boatness. We talk about this tension in philosophy and I haven't found an easy answer that is satisfying. With people, the idea of soul assuming that one believes in one is important to the question as well.
To do with the person thing, our cells are constantly dying and being replaced with new cells. Within a couple months you are a completely new person. But we don't see ourselves as a new person since it was done gradually.
Everything in our body regenerates itself at some point I think every 14 yrs or something is the maximum for anything in our body besides eyes, so what really makes us the same person? Memories, how when our cells change they still take on the same form. So, with the boat, I agree, if you do it all in one go, it's a new boat, but otherwise it's a slowly evolving boat that still upholds all the memories etc...
i say if it stays the same shape and size and it does the same things it would be the same boat but i agree with Kristina if its all done at once it could pass off as a new boat but if its done gradually over time [i wouldn't say a year or two but more like 5-10 years] then it would stay the same boat.
I'd say that if you replace plank by plank, it's never new, only renovated. Like when our cells replace themselves but we're still the same person. However, it's all individual perspective, especially considering our own definitions of "new" or "old." For example, say you were to buy a used boat from somewhere. Even though it isn't "brand new," and has been used many times before, it would be new to you as the buyer, because you've never seen this boat before and don't have any memories of it.
I agree with kristinas first opinion, because as for the outsider view it is similar to a hair cut, if you cut your hair a little bit each time over a year and then the person saw you, they would probably think you got a hair cut even though you were just correcting the over grown parts, if that makes any sense... Maybe not
This reminds me of Platos famous “what is a chair”-question. Maybe you could talk about that next time :D And you should check out (=google) “one and three chairs” by Joseph Kosuth, which is an artwork that raises the same question :)
The boat is only new when the old memories attached to it no longer make sense, because the shape might've changed or maybe because that one wooden plank you stared at every single had to be replaced. Just when it's free of old memories it's a new boat. I don't think that has to do with how much of the material has been replaced..
I think there is a difference between renovation and completely demolishing & starting over. If you just keep adding new parts to the same boat, it always remains as the same boat.
I think that it never becomes a new boat. In the end it will run the same because you haven't replaced the motor. Initially if you change the planks the boat will generally look the same if you use the same type of planks. So the boat is still your "old" boat but refinished.
"Old" and "new" are very subjective words when describing something. If I replaced each plank as needed, I would still see the boat as the same boat, not "new" but more so "improved". If the whole boat is replaced I'd say it was a new boat.
Kristina is made up of cells that have a finite life span. Each cell dies, and is replaced by others. Wait long enough & every cell that makes up Kristina has passed away. Does that make Kristina a new person?
If Kristina buys a house with a 30 year mortgage, but her longest living cell is 15 years, does she have an obligation to continue paying the mortgage after 15 years? Every cell that entered into the contract originally will have died by that time. Can she declare her original self dead?
@hoadlck Well yeah, it could be argued that Kristina is in fact a new person. But I think this gets to a different philosophical question than the one you are trying to make. haha
I think "new" is a matter of perspective. One boat can be seen by two different people as new, and old at the same time, and if the idea of new is an artificial construct then both views are right. I take the zen view that the world is always new.
I could tell around 4:47 that Liz was starting to get tired of being cut off. I know you didn't intend to but it's something to be aware of.
I think your next question should be a response to booshoe37's Veda #13 video (Comments don't allow links)
it's like when you buys a used car. It's your new car but it's the previous owners old car. We're basically just trying to define "new" which is a very subjective concept.
Question of the Universe:In "The Big Bang"the entire universe is rebooted and the Doctor is brought back into existence only from Amy's memory.Now does this mean that prior to this point,the Doctor-in any of his incarnations-did not exist?If so then is Matt Smith now the first doctor?And as the Doctor influenced Amy to remember him when he existed before,then wouldn't that create a paradox?If that is true how does he still have so many secrets,because, obviously,Amy didn't know them all of them.
Why do you think that some people hear themselves think in their head (literally) and some people don't hear anything, it's just a silence that the person can understand?
Things change constantly as time moves forward, everything ages so nothing is exactly the same from one moment to the next. Even if you didn't replace the planks, the boat you have now would be different to the one you have in a years or even just a seconds time because it would age (even if not visibly). New question! Can you prove to me that you are not figments of my imagination?
Another analogy is our body. Over about 7 years, I think, all our cells are replaced. It's like replacing the planks on the boat. Are we then new? I think not. I'm with Kristina on this one.
If there was a child drowning and a child in another country dying from hunger why is it that someone would almost definitely save the drowning child that was infront of them but not necessarily save the child in the other country by sending money or food?
I think there's a difference between new and different. Like, if you replaced all the pieces over time it wouldn't be a new boat, it would just be a boat a different boat than it was before.
we had do discuss this a lot in Buddhist philosophy classes. I like the idea that after the first plank or even after the first plank is removed it becomes a different boat.
A boat is new when it hasn't been used before. I don't think replacing any of the pieces will make it new like if I bought a new part for my computer that wouldn't make it new and by the time I needed to get another parts by the time all the parts were replaced the other parts would be old. So I guess I kind of agree with Kristina hehe
I'm with Liz on this (the whole 50/50 thing). But even then, it's still more of a psychological problem rather than just physically looking and repairing the boat. The more accustomed you become to the new planks, the older it gets. I guess my answer is sometimes new, sometimes old.
This reminded me of a fact that I learned on QI. The cells of the human body are constantly dying and being replaced, and the oldest cells you ever have are about 10 years old.
I feel like its never a new boat. My theory was similar to Kristina's. The boat should be seen as a whole, though. It was originally one boat, but that idea of that specific boat doesn't change with individual pieces. If you bought another boat, then that would be a new boat.
I love this series! Universe questions are intensely awesome.
To answer your question of what a boat is at the end of the video, i give you a quote from Jack Sparrow "Wherever we want to go, we go. That's what a ship is, you know. It's not just a keel and a hull and sails; that's what a ship needs. Not what a ship is. What the Black Pearl really is, is freedom."
It's never a new boat. When the plank is affixed to the boat, it ceases to be a separate piece of property and becomes part of the boat. There is no point, short of the boat being destroyed, at which the boat ceases to exist under the same, original proprietary right. The problem is that you're approaching a legal problem as a philosophical one :)
Also, people are being replaced all the time. There is no cell in your body that is still the same as when you were born.
Well if you go with the theory that at each of the smallest unit of time the universe is being destroyed and created at the same moment then it is always a new boat.
You guys got to the idea of replacing body parts but I'm surprised you didn't note the reality that the cells we are composed of do die and replace themselves with new versions and there are many times in a persons life when they are made up of a completely new set of cells than they were at a previous point in time. However we still quite obviously consider a person to be the same human being despite how they age and grow. I'd argue that if changed over a long period, the boat never becomes new
If you build a time machine, go back in time, then kill your grandfather on your mothers side before your mother was born, causing you to never be born in the first place, who killed your grandfather?
the boat is never new. it is always the same boat. works in the boat example and the person and the elephant. if you are replacing the pieces as they break it doesnt matter if you replace all the pieces because it was the same boat/person/elephant the entire time. and for the person example to work, the parts would have to be coming from a "clone" or being grown for the person because the boat is getting new planks that were bought just to fix it; the planks didnt get taken off another boat
questions: what do babies dream about? if there isn't a word for something- does it exist, or does it have to be labeled to be real? why do good things happen to bad people and vice versa? does Wyoming actually exist? how do you explain melody to a 100% deaf person? why do we shed the bad feelings in our memories the farther we are away from them? and the best question: WHY WAS FIREFLY CANCELLED?
It's not a new boat, it's a refurbished boat. Like say you have a computer and you completely replace the hard drive and such. That's not a new computer, that's a refurbished computer.
It's never a new boat, unless u go out and get a new boat, replacing planks is like replacing bricks in ur house. It's never a knew house, it's the same house. I think anyways :)
I think this question is missing a piece. When does the boat become a new boat to you or someone else? I agree that if I have made repares on my first boat over the course of a year, it's still going to be my first boat with a few new fix-ups, to me at least. But if my friend hasn't seen the boat since I started the repairs, they might see it as a new boat altogether. I think it's a matter of perception.
Also another factor to this question is the actual usage of the boat. Like, lets say you replace the planks of your boat over an entire year yet you didn't use or put much use to your boat. Sure, it took you a while to make your boat, yet it could be considered a new boat based on the amount you've used it. Maybe this question is why we use "remodeled" instead of calling things "new".
It's never a new boat it's a refurbised boat or a restored boat. Like a classic care maybe all the parts are original car parts but came from a different car of the same make and year then it's restored it's not considered new. Or if you crashed your car and had it fixed it's still the same car it's just repaired
But the thing is, about replacing the planks of the boat, you would probably use the same type of wood to replace the planks because you wouldn't want to have different patches different colors so after two years if someone saw your boat it would still look the same. also if you are replacing the planks one by one then the boat would still have the same features and no one would really notice that it had changed at all because after two years would someone really notice small changes like color.
This happens with the pieces of Golden Gate Bridge. Over 50% of the pieces have already been replaced at least once. When will it stop being the Golden Gate Bridge? I don't think so.
(On these RoomVlogs, the most used words are "I don't know..." ;D)
The "thing" is more than the sum of its parts. While the 100 planks are assembled they're "the boat" if you take them all apart they're not "the boat" any more. They're a pile of wood. I think as long as you're working off the old boat, it's still the old boat. If you start from scratch it's a new boat.
Our bodies are actually always replacing cells. so all of the cells in your body are actually less than 8 years old. The main thing is the idea or personality - of the boat or the person. you can still keep the idea/personality of the boat but the physical material of the boat is new but "the boat" as an idea or concept is never new
Kristina, I wanted to let you know that you are the only female on Youtube that I watch. You are so pleasant, authentic, and up beat. I love that you are not afraid to be yourself. Thank you for sharing your life with us. I wish I had a friend like you :)
I don't particularly like having Liz in these videos. She seems kind of ignorant & her personality, excuse the expression, just isn't exactly my cup of tea.
If you fixed your boat with new planks over a period of like a year, you wouldn't at the end of the year say 'I've got a new boat', you'd just say 'I fixed my boat'. It's still 'the same boat'. And with the person thing, it's like when our cells replace ourselves, they're new cells but we're still the same person.
I think, if the boat is a boat due to sentimentality, it becomes a new boat after the last original piece is gone. Even if the boat is all new pieces but one, there will be a level of sentiment attaching the entire boat to the spirit of the original. Once the last piece goes - the connection is gone. There'll be sentiment for the new boat formed while the old boat was being replaced, but the connection to the old boat is gone. So the new boat isn't be brand new, but it still isn't the old boat.
I say if the boat still has some of its original pieces as you replace it, its the same boat. But if you replace ALL of the peices over time or whatever, it becomes a new boats. I Say it depends on the pieces of the boat. :)
I don't think it never can be a new boat if you just replace parts, even if you replace them all. People "replace" their skin and hair when the old cells die, but I wouldn't consider it new. It's still the same skin and hair, even if the particles that build them up are new. So if you draw that parallel to the boat, it's still the same style even if the planks are different. So it's not new it's just renewed/renovated.
My grandpa says that a person is the sum of their life's experiences. So physically, with the person analogy, if you have the same memories, you are the same person. Like with a clone, being genetically identical, the clone would have a different personality and is therefore a different person.
I agree with Kristina in this case. If you do it gradually, the boat has been through all the same stuff.
i think the point kristinas friend was trying to make is that you can´t replace all plancs at once even if you do all replacements in one day, you have to start somewhere. so the question is, while working, after which planc you boat isn´t the old one anymore ?
Lol if u changed little bits of your brain bit by bit you wouldn't be you (depending on which parts you replace) just sayin xD my question is why do zombies like brains??
What makes you a person is not your appearance, it's your personality. It's the things you can't see, that make you truly you. If everyone on earth looked and acted the same, we would essentially be just one person. But if we looked exactly alike and each had a different personality, then we'd be separate people. That's how I think of it in that respect, anyway. Not necessarily about boats, but if we're talking people...
isn't every cell in our body replaced several times? technically we aren't the same person once every cell is regenerated? if we define ourselves as matter i guess we are several people throughout our lives :s
on the topic of getting other people's body parts and brains put into other people, there's this really awesome book called Unwind by neal shusterman that kind of focuses on that whole concept. I really recommend it.
@immaturatycentral52 This book is probably my favorite single book. I mean, I always lean towards book series, so it was unusual for me to like a book so much which had no sequel. It was amazing, is what I'm trying to say.
I'm with the 50/50 thing... And you guys do have different perceptions of new and old.
Yes Kristina, with 50/50 it's keeps getting old, but it's a NEW old boat in the end! Still new!
And even if you redid the boat in a day, wouldn't the inner workings still be old, and isn't that what matters? I mean, our cells regenerate and are replaced, however we still age, right? Proof of that is death. If you did it in one day it would be the same as one by one. Time is just a label to an infinite thing.
Some philosophers say what makes a boat a boat is a combination of functionality and intent. A door will float, but it's not a raft because that's not its intended purpose. In this case, the second the boat can no longer float, and transport people and/or goods, then it is no longer a boat in function, but still in intent. If you repair the boat, it is still the intended boat. I say if you don't change the shape or functionality then it remains the same boat.
I agree with Kristina. If you do it all in one day, it's a new boat. But of you do it over time, by the time you put in the last new plank, the first of the "new" planks is old.
I'm not even gonna try to explain what I think about this topic. The reason is, I can't really put what I'm thinking down on paper (or in this case, the computer screen). Most of my philosophical ideas are feelings and not really words. Like I know exactly what I think about stuff, but I can't find the words to explain it to others.
There will be a part of the boat that is more crucial to the overall boatiness than other parts. Like the keel? I'm not good with boats. The same logic applies to my PC though, if I swap out the RAM chips, the sound card, the gfx card, the processor, the drives even: it's still the same old PC. If the motherboard or case change, then it's new.
As long as you are replacing something on the same boat then it is the same old boat, Even if you have replaced everything at some point it is still your old boat. Would anyone call it their new boat. Most would say it is as good as new but not call it a new boat.
Its a boat if it floats and can keep you out of the water but can be taken out of the water itself and on to a ship. Or at least that is how it is in the navy.
I think that if you replace each piece seperatly, like you take one piece off and then put a new one on then take the next piece off and put on a new one and so on, no matter how long it took you it never becomes a diferent boat.
I think it depends on if there are other pieces to the boat, or if its just made up of the origonal 100 planks. Are you changing the whole boat, or just elements to it?
A street sweeper is awarded a medal for long service to the city. He's been working there for 20 years. He tells the major of the city during his 20 years he has used the same brush the entire time. The major is shocked. How is this possible she asks. Well, he says, I've replaced the handle of the brush 7 times and I've replaced the head 12 times.
This reminds me of something I read about Heraclitus' perpetual change theory .... This pre-Socratic philosopher said "No man ever steps in the same river twice"... which means that nothing is ever the same, due to constant changing. Therefore according to this theory, the boat is new every time you change a plank. But following this theory would cause identity issues... because that would mean that we are always a new person... puzzling! Great question!
I think it's all about perception. What if it were more significant parts instead of just plank by plank? If you had a boat that needed a new motor. You would replace the motor but it would still be your old boat. If you bought a brand new boat: and then had to replace it's motor with the motor from your old boat it doesn't become "your old boat". It's something to think about for sure.
I think it is based on functionality. If you replace all the boats pieces all at the same time or gradually over time it is still the same boat. But when replacing those pieces makes the boat function better then it did when it was new, better streamline, faster engine, then it becomes a new boat. Because it would be different from when the old boat was first purchased or hand built. Improving functionality is a strong indicator of new. If something works better then it used to when it was new.
I think that as soon as you put one new plank in, it becomes a new boat, because it isn't the old boat anymore; it's different, so therefore it's new.
This reminds me of an architect reference, the Ise Grand Shrine in Japan. It is considered the "oldest shrine in Japan", however, they rebuild the entire shrine exactly the same way every 20 years right next to the previous one. It is considered one entity, but in reality it is made of different physical material each time. This question is asked a lot in architecture dealing with preservation and renovation. Is an ancient building which has undergone extreme restoration still the same building?
That is an interesting question. When is the boat new? Tha answer is as soon as the first plank is replaced and I will tell you why. From the moment the first plank is replaced change what the boat was so in the eyes of the universe it is a different boat thus making it new. It may have a similar appearance but it still has been altered and made better.
I think it will always be the 'old boat' because it is still the old boat...unless you literally replace every single part of it...which technically means you are buying a new boat...
heres a question for the universe if you could say any one thing to your yonger self knowing all to well that it could change every thing about your life what would say?
I think it will always be the 'old boat' because it is still the old boat...unless you literally replace every single part of it...which technically means you are buying a new boat...
i don't think it EVER becomes a new boat no matter what because it is just the new version of your old boat, and it only becomes the new version when it is completely finished. in ALL circumstances. but i agree that if someone else was to see it they would say it was your new boat but you personally wouldn't.
This question of the boat sounds like a metaphor for the discussion ppl had a couple years ago of whether the Parselmouths are still the Parselmouths after the members of the band have changed... and we know where Kristina stands on that issue...
My first thought was that if over 50% of the planks were new then in theory the boat would be a new one. But after some thought I'm not sure if even replacing all of the planks would make a new boat at all. I think that it's the definition of 'new' rather than 'boat' which is important in this situation. Or something.
My first thought was that if over 50% of the planks were new then in theory the boat would be a new one. But after some thought I'm not sure if even replacing all of the planks would make a new boat at all. I think that it's the definition of 'new' rather than 'boat' which is important in this situation. Or something.
we studied this is psych when we looked at brain cases. also referring to kristina's 'rebuildingin one day means it's a anew boat' when in that day would you say the boat is new?
Isn't it every 7 years or so all the cells in our body have been replaced with new ones, this means we are not the same people as we were when we were born (thats a lot of W's). To us, though, we're not separate people because we have the same history. However even our memories change and fade, so basically we are 'new' people everyday of our lives and to take it further we can be whoever we want to be because we are always changing.
@Molsipop I far as i know, neural cells dont "regenerate"... they are kinda the same all the time... so you brains are the same as they were, only your body is changing...
I really like what @Molsipop said. We're never really the same person, day by day, are we?
So I think the boat is different the first time you change it. But instead of thinking of it as a new boat, think of it as a different version of the old boat. Still, not the same boat.
“This, milord, is my family's axe. We have owned it for almost nine hundred years, see. Of course, sometimes it needed a new blade. And sometimes it has required a new handle, new designs on the metalwork, a little refreshing of the ornamentation... but is this not the nine hundred-year-old axe of my family? And because it has changed gently over time, it is still a pretty good axe, y'know. Pretty good.”
The wisdom of Terry Pratchett.
jackandjuice 1 week ago
We talked about this in science class. The way we thought of it was there's this accident prone guy, and he keeps replacing his body parts, until finally his brain is replaced with a computer. The question is at what point is he just a computer?
edoll07 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Just fyi, you don't currently have any of the cells that you had at birth. Your body is being continuously replaced on a cellular level. The oldest cells that you have won't be older than ten years old. I agree that it's not a new boat if it's done gradually.
Pixiesoapbox 1 month ago
Perhaps it is more about the concept of identity rather than boatness. We talk about this tension in philosophy and I haven't found an easy answer that is satisfying. With people, the idea of soul assuming that one believes in one is important to the question as well.
skrich2 1 month ago
I think that Ship of Theseus is always an interesting question. Good video!
skrich2 1 month ago
To do with the person thing, our cells are constantly dying and being replaced with new cells. Within a couple months you are a completely new person. But we don't see ourselves as a new person since it was done gradually.
pepperminttoads 1 month ago in playlist Questions of the Universe
Obviously, its a new boat when you've replaced all the planks...
CGStrawberry 1 month ago
This lag is making me crazy. UGH! I hate the lag, it makes it so hard to understand!
cooliopinkprincess 1 month ago in playlist Questions of the Universe
I think the boat is never a new boat because you always fix the old boat. So eventually it is the same old boat but it is fixed.
OneStrangePanda 1 month ago
Everything in our body regenerates itself at some point I think every 14 yrs or something is the maximum for anything in our body besides eyes, so what really makes us the same person? Memories, how when our cells change they still take on the same form. So, with the boat, I agree, if you do it all in one go, it's a new boat, but otherwise it's a slowly evolving boat that still upholds all the memories etc...
ntcssj 1 month ago
when you add the new plank to the boat.. its now a new boat because it is no longer the old boat
ktnursingrl12 1 month ago
Liz has really interesting things to say all the time. I enjoy her guesting on this channel. :)
kira902k 1 month ago in playlist More videos from kristinahorner
I guess it's simply a boat that makes a boat a boat.
flieg93 2 months ago
i say if it stays the same shape and size and it does the same things it would be the same boat but i agree with Kristina if its all done at once it could pass off as a new boat but if its done gradually over time [i wouldn't say a year or two but more like 5-10 years] then it would stay the same boat.
MultiHiphen 2 months ago
I'd say that if you replace plank by plank, it's never new, only renovated. Like when our cells replace themselves but we're still the same person. However, it's all individual perspective, especially considering our own definitions of "new" or "old." For example, say you were to buy a used boat from somewhere. Even though it isn't "brand new," and has been used many times before, it would be new to you as the buyer, because you've never seen this boat before and don't have any memories of it.
TheWhatsitsface 2 months ago 2
KRISTINA it's supposed to snow next week! are you excited!!! :D
apahin1woot 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
It's not a new boat. It's a new plank. Boats don't exsist. Nothing exsists.
purplejoj 2 months ago
I agree with kristinas first opinion, because as for the outsider view it is similar to a hair cut, if you cut your hair a little bit each time over a year and then the person saw you, they would probably think you got a hair cut even though you were just correcting the over grown parts, if that makes any sense... Maybe not
filibusterfirework74 2 months ago
What if one of the "new" planks has to be replaced before the old planks?
froregon 2 months ago
I have a question of the universe
If winter comes can spring be far behind?
nony10102 2 months ago
This reminds me of Platos famous “what is a chair”-question. Maybe you could talk about that next time :D And you should check out (=google) “one and three chairs” by Joseph Kosuth, which is an artwork that raises the same question :)
ragja 2 months ago
The boat becomes new when it no longer elicits memories created on the old boat.
Litheran 2 months ago
The boat is only new when the old memories attached to it no longer make sense, because the shape might've changed or maybe because that one wooden plank you stared at every single had to be replaced. Just when it's free of old memories it's a new boat. I don't think that has to do with how much of the material has been replaced..
AstridIthilwen 2 months ago
Hey Kristina and Liz, can you tell me if there is such a thing as an unselfish good deed?
Shoogoh 2 months ago
I think there is a difference between renovation and completely demolishing & starting over. If you just keep adding new parts to the same boat, it always remains as the same boat.
AllysSuperRad 2 months ago
I think that it never becomes a new boat. In the end it will run the same because you haven't replaced the motor. Initially if you change the planks the boat will generally look the same if you use the same type of planks. So the boat is still your "old" boat but refinished.
redrose561 2 months ago
"Old" and "new" are very subjective words when describing something. If I replaced each plank as needed, I would still see the boat as the same boat, not "new" but more so "improved". If the whole boat is replaced I'd say it was a new boat.
homelessxcat 2 months ago
Kristina is made up of cells that have a finite life span. Each cell dies, and is replaced by others. Wait long enough & every cell that makes up Kristina has passed away. Does that make Kristina a new person?
If Kristina buys a house with a 30 year mortgage, but her longest living cell is 15 years, does she have an obligation to continue paying the mortgage after 15 years? Every cell that entered into the contract originally will have died by that time. Can she declare her original self dead?
hoadlck 2 months ago
@hoadlck Well yeah, it could be argued that Kristina is in fact a new person. But I think this gets to a different philosophical question than the one you are trying to make. haha
jag519 2 months ago
The glass is neither half-empty nor half-full. It is twice as big as it needs to be.
ForeverUpToNoGood 2 months ago
I think "new" is a matter of perspective. One boat can be seen by two different people as new, and old at the same time, and if the idea of new is an artificial construct then both views are right. I take the zen view that the world is always new.
I could tell around 4:47 that Liz was starting to get tired of being cut off. I know you didn't intend to but it's something to be aware of.
I think your next question should be a response to booshoe37's Veda #13 video (Comments don't allow links)
83244genesis 2 months ago
Memories are physical--you can't replace them with a different brain, so I think you would become a different person.
Rithene 2 months ago
it's like when you buys a used car. It's your new car but it's the previous owners old car. We're basically just trying to define "new" which is a very subjective concept.
SurgationNation 2 months ago
What's the answer to life, the universe and everything?
Ppppinkland 2 months ago in playlist Questions of the Universe
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TheJellyfishrule 2 months ago
Question of the Universe:In "The Big Bang"the entire universe is rebooted and the Doctor is brought back into existence only from Amy's memory.Now does this mean that prior to this point,the Doctor-in any of his incarnations-did not exist?If so then is Matt Smith now the first doctor?And as the Doctor influenced Amy to remember him when he existed before,then wouldn't that create a paradox?If that is true how does he still have so many secrets,because, obviously,Amy didn't know them all of them.
thedoctordevon 2 months ago
check or google for "Ship of Theseus.paradox"...!
mhstgt 2 months ago
Why do you think that some people hear themselves think in their head (literally) and some people don't hear anything, it's just a silence that the person can understand?
Cristalmate 2 months ago
Why do English people like tea???????
TreeClimbingDreams 2 months ago
there is no boat
we see and feel the boat because the matrix tells us to
hoblesy 2 months ago
I think we would have to ask the boat.
sarahsoliloquy 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Things change constantly as time moves forward, everything ages so nothing is exactly the same from one moment to the next. Even if you didn't replace the planks, the boat you have now would be different to the one you have in a years or even just a seconds time because it would age (even if not visibly). New question! Can you prove to me that you are not figments of my imagination?
gorrillawoman 2 months ago 16
What makes a boat a boat?
Size.
You can put a boat on a ship. But not a ship on a boat.
tangerinealarm 2 months ago 31
@tangerinealarm So If I had a really big dog, and I put a significantly smaller dog on top of the big dog, the small dog is a boat.
torchick163 1 month ago
It's never a new boat. It's just an upgraded boat.
CharrFrears 2 months ago 2
Another analogy is our body. Over about 7 years, I think, all our cells are replaced. It's like replacing the planks on the boat. Are we then new? I think not. I'm with Kristina on this one.
jullachris90 2 months ago
If there was a child drowning and a child in another country dying from hunger why is it that someone would almost definitely save the drowning child that was infront of them but not necessarily save the child in the other country by sending money or food?
HeyLauraHeyLaura 2 months ago
I think there's a difference between new and different. Like, if you replaced all the pieces over time it wouldn't be a new boat, it would just be a boat a different boat than it was before.
Kouin 2 months ago
But if you took just the parts from the old boat and build a ..boat of it, would it be a new boat?
MsMayonaise 2 months ago
... Is a two-week-old cake the same as a new cake made from two-week-old ingredients?
TheBrentagon 2 months ago
we had do discuss this a lot in Buddhist philosophy classes. I like the idea that after the first plank or even after the first plank is removed it becomes a different boat.
just like people change from moment to moment.
psiangel7 2 months ago
A boat is new when it hasn't been used before. I don't think replacing any of the pieces will make it new like if I bought a new part for my computer that wouldn't make it new and by the time I needed to get another parts by the time all the parts were replaced the other parts would be old. So I guess I kind of agree with Kristina hehe
ammiella 2 months ago
I'm with Liz on this (the whole 50/50 thing). But even then, it's still more of a psychological problem rather than just physically looking and repairing the boat. The more accustomed you become to the new planks, the older it gets. I guess my answer is sometimes new, sometimes old.
Really enjoying these questions of the universe!
thilosaurus 2 months ago
It wouldn't change from being your boat. You wouldn't say "I've got a new boat". Possession makes it old.
This works for a mophead and the handle.
sweetypie000 2 months ago
Kristina spoke exactly what I thought. :D YAY.
Schlongbottom96 2 months ago
RoomVlogs really broaden my horizons.
nelamonster 2 months ago
This reminded me of a fact that I learned on QI. The cells of the human body are constantly dying and being replaced, and the oldest cells you ever have are about 10 years old.
ellievlogs 2 months ago
I feel like its never a new boat. My theory was similar to Kristina's. The boat should be seen as a whole, though. It was originally one boat, but that idea of that specific boat doesn't change with individual pieces. If you bought another boat, then that would be a new boat.
I love this series! Universe questions are intensely awesome.
cfloster 2 months ago
To answer your question of what a boat is at the end of the video, i give you a quote from Jack Sparrow "Wherever we want to go, we go. That's what a ship is, you know. It's not just a keel and a hull and sails; that's what a ship needs. Not what a ship is. What the Black Pearl really is, is freedom."
JMagner92 2 months ago
It's never a new boat. When the plank is affixed to the boat, it ceases to be a separate piece of property and becomes part of the boat. There is no point, short of the boat being destroyed, at which the boat ceases to exist under the same, original proprietary right. The problem is that you're approaching a legal problem as a philosophical one :)
Also, people are being replaced all the time. There is no cell in your body that is still the same as when you were born.
Virini 2 months ago 2
how does a word become a curse word?
Split7Ways 2 months ago
Well if you go with the theory that at each of the smallest unit of time the universe is being destroyed and created at the same moment then it is always a new boat.
APerfectZer0 2 months ago
You guys got to the idea of replacing body parts but I'm surprised you didn't note the reality that the cells we are composed of do die and replace themselves with new versions and there are many times in a persons life when they are made up of a completely new set of cells than they were at a previous point in time. However we still quite obviously consider a person to be the same human being despite how they age and grow. I'd argue that if changed over a long period, the boat never becomes new
pointlessusername23 2 months ago
Does a house "burn down" or "burn up"? Which is more correct? Is there a more correct time to use one rather than the other?
irionchris 2 months ago
If a tree fell in the middle of nowhere where no one could hear would it still make a sound?
Astring3 2 months ago
If you build a time machine, go back in time, then kill your grandfather on your mothers side before your mother was born, causing you to never be born in the first place, who killed your grandfather?
LittleBlackSparrow 2 months ago
the boat is never new. it is always the same boat. works in the boat example and the person and the elephant. if you are replacing the pieces as they break it doesnt matter if you replace all the pieces because it was the same boat/person/elephant the entire time. and for the person example to work, the parts would have to be coming from a "clone" or being grown for the person because the boat is getting new planks that were bought just to fix it; the planks didnt get taken off another boat
envoy2500 2 months ago
Ooooo the Ship of Theseus paradox. Awesome.
AllThingsPenguin 2 months ago
Boats are made out of fiberglass.
kainthaboss 2 months ago
Which came first the chicken or the egg?
Iamdoas 2 months ago
questions: what do babies dream about? if there isn't a word for something- does it exist, or does it have to be labeled to be real? why do good things happen to bad people and vice versa? does Wyoming actually exist? how do you explain melody to a 100% deaf person? why do we shed the bad feelings in our memories the farther we are away from them? and the best question: WHY WAS FIREFLY CANCELLED?
Ubergeek0 2 months ago 2
I went into this thinking the "after 50%" option as well...but I like your idea Kristina, that it's NEVER a "new" boat
agactinggirl 2 months ago
I totally agree with Kristina's theory.
allshalldelight 2 months ago
It's not a new boat, it's a refurbished boat. Like say you have a computer and you completely replace the hard drive and such. That's not a new computer, that's a refurbished computer.
theloonyluna 2 months ago
It's never a new boat, unless u go out and get a new boat, replacing planks is like replacing bricks in ur house. It's never a knew house, it's the same house. I think anyways :)
TheSkillJim 2 months ago
This channel is too much for me sometimes
geofferypmeyers 2 months ago
I think this question is missing a piece. When does the boat become a new boat to you or someone else? I agree that if I have made repares on my first boat over the course of a year, it's still going to be my first boat with a few new fix-ups, to me at least. But if my friend hasn't seen the boat since I started the repairs, they might see it as a new boat altogether. I think it's a matter of perception.
nerdyowl95 2 months ago
@nerdyowl95 They actually did address that. @2:55.
phililili23 2 months ago
Did anyone else think of the SNL Digital Short "On a Boat"?
topher208 2 months ago
Also another factor to this question is the actual usage of the boat. Like, lets say you replace the planks of your boat over an entire year yet you didn't use or put much use to your boat. Sure, it took you a while to make your boat, yet it could be considered a new boat based on the amount you've used it. Maybe this question is why we use "remodeled" instead of calling things "new".
ttlyttylilyt 2 months ago
It's never a new boat it's a refurbised boat or a restored boat. Like a classic care maybe all the parts are original car parts but came from a different car of the same make and year then it's restored it's not considered new. Or if you crashed your car and had it fixed it's still the same car it's just repaired
mosaicat2 2 months ago
But the thing is, about replacing the planks of the boat, you would probably use the same type of wood to replace the planks because you wouldn't want to have different patches different colors so after two years if someone saw your boat it would still look the same. also if you are replacing the planks one by one then the boat would still have the same features and no one would really notice that it had changed at all because after two years would someone really notice small changes like color.
margosavetheday 2 months ago
If you replace all the parts of my car, it will still be an old car.
msellejaysee 2 months ago
Talk about your thoughts and the concept of Schrodinger's cat
thisisnotHolly 2 months ago
This happens with the pieces of Golden Gate Bridge. Over 50% of the pieces have already been replaced at least once. When will it stop being the Golden Gate Bridge? I don't think so.
(On these RoomVlogs, the most used words are "I don't know..." ;D)
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nathifantin 2 months ago
QUESTION: How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
silverarrows13 2 months ago
Question: If a deity exists, would you want to know?
dynamitekatie 2 months ago
Madame Chairman I move that our chapter buy a boat.
TheKhaxbreeAttack 2 months ago
It's still the old boat.
The "thing" is more than the sum of its parts. While the 100 planks are assembled they're "the boat" if you take them all apart they're not "the boat" any more. They're a pile of wood. I think as long as you're working off the old boat, it's still the old boat. If you start from scratch it's a new boat.
VicMorrowsGhost 2 months ago
Our bodies are actually always replacing cells. so all of the cells in your body are actually less than 8 years old. The main thing is the idea or personality - of the boat or the person. you can still keep the idea/personality of the boat but the physical material of the boat is new but "the boat" as an idea or concept is never new
thecanadianDJ 2 months ago
I think that the second that you replace the first plank, it stop being your old boat, but it is not a new boat until the whole process is finished.
rashayley 2 months ago
Question: Schrodinger's cat: dead or alive?
PuffyTIgor 2 months ago
...This was the question I suggested.
*tear comes to eye as I smile contently*
AroShottProductions 2 months ago 54
I love these RoomVlogs :)
yopyopo 2 months ago
I agree with Kristina. I had the exact same thought.
Vgirl0829 2 months ago
I think that it'll always be the old boat since all the new planks at one point are associated with the old planks.
MoFanz 2 months ago
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I don't particularly like having Liz in these videos. She seems kind of ignorant & her personality, excuse the expression, just isn't exactly my cup of tea.
crankdathits 2 months ago
If you fixed your boat with new planks over a period of like a year, you wouldn't at the end of the year say 'I've got a new boat', you'd just say 'I fixed my boat'. It's still 'the same boat'. And with the person thing, it's like when our cells replace ourselves, they're new cells but we're still the same person.
Livasaur 2 months ago
Vsauce tackled this last week. Old news.
animalcollectivity 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I think it's a new boat once the first plank is replaced because then it's a different boat.
antwanjay 2 months ago in playlist Questions of the Universe
I think, if the boat is a boat due to sentimentality, it becomes a new boat after the last original piece is gone. Even if the boat is all new pieces but one, there will be a level of sentiment attaching the entire boat to the spirit of the original. Once the last piece goes - the connection is gone. There'll be sentiment for the new boat formed while the old boat was being replaced, but the connection to the old boat is gone. So the new boat isn't be brand new, but it still isn't the old boat.
pidgeonfish 2 months ago
is questions of the universe a hashtag yet?
ItsStillLoading 2 months ago
I have to agree with Kristina on this one.
TheGingerHermione 2 months ago
I say if the boat still has some of its original pieces as you replace it, its the same boat. But if you replace ALL of the peices over time or whatever, it becomes a new boats. I Say it depends on the pieces of the boat. :)
Blackrose6767 2 months ago
I don't think it never can be a new boat if you just replace parts, even if you replace them all. People "replace" their skin and hair when the old cells die, but I wouldn't consider it new. It's still the same skin and hair, even if the particles that build them up are new. So if you draw that parallel to the boat, it's still the same style even if the planks are different. So it's not new it's just renewed/renovated.
KnasMuuIda 2 months ago
Dolly Parton is still Dolly Parton after getting all of her parts replaced/altered. no? hahaha jk jk
MrChillinwithdillon 2 months ago
kristina = right
other bitch = dumb af
Buttermilkbiscuits 2 months ago
My grandpa says that a person is the sum of their life's experiences. So physically, with the person analogy, if you have the same memories, you are the same person. Like with a clone, being genetically identical, the clone would have a different personality and is therefore a different person.
I agree with Kristina in this case. If you do it gradually, the boat has been through all the same stuff.
creatievzyn 2 months ago
i think the point kristinas friend was trying to make is that you can´t replace all plancs at once even if you do all replacements in one day, you have to start somewhere. so the question is, while working, after which planc you boat isn´t the old one anymore ?
sammylovesparis 2 months ago
Lol if u changed little bits of your brain bit by bit you wouldn't be you (depending on which parts you replace) just sayin xD my question is why do zombies like brains??
Aeryn7Sun 2 months ago
Is ALL CAPS still together? That's a question of the univers
andresmunoz123campos 2 months ago
I like the human analagy, but an interesting view on this is raised in Altered Carbon by Richard Morgan, a good read if antthing
Darvaus 2 months ago
I completely agree with Kristina
AyeTerraFirma 2 months ago
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Peyoboy 2 months ago
Hi second channel Kristina!
haha, so random <3
skyblinkie 2 months ago in playlist Questions of the Universe
This reminds me of NCIS and Gibbs' boats.
What makes you a person is not your appearance, it's your personality. It's the things you can't see, that make you truly you. If everyone on earth looked and acted the same, we would essentially be just one person. But if we looked exactly alike and each had a different personality, then we'd be separate people. That's how I think of it in that respect, anyway. Not necessarily about boats, but if we're talking people...
blynninja 2 months ago
This vlog really reminds me of the book 'Uglies' so much!
EmmaMaryKealey 2 months ago
I SUGGESTED THIS QUESTION!! Well, other people may have as well, but I feel very accomplished :)
AroShottProductions 2 months ago
isn't every cell in our body replaced several times? technically we aren't the same person once every cell is regenerated? if we define ourselves as matter i guess we are several people throughout our lives :s
wbrown6 2 months ago
on the topic of getting other people's body parts and brains put into other people, there's this really awesome book called Unwind by neal shusterman that kind of focuses on that whole concept. I really recommend it.
immaturatycentral52 2 months ago 10
@immaturatycentral52 I've read it! I thought about that a lot actually.
kristinahorner 2 months ago 8
@immaturatycentral52 This book is probably my favorite single book. I mean, I always lean towards book series, so it was unusual for me to like a book so much which had no sequel. It was amazing, is what I'm trying to say.
Sarasince1992 2 months ago
I'm with the 50/50 thing... And you guys do have different perceptions of new and old.
Yes Kristina, with 50/50 it's keeps getting old, but it's a NEW old boat in the end! Still new!
And even if you redid the boat in a day, wouldn't the inner workings still be old, and isn't that what matters? I mean, our cells regenerate and are replaced, however we still age, right? Proof of that is death. If you did it in one day it would be the same as one by one. Time is just a label to an infinite thing.
dannerzme 2 months ago
@dannerzme Awesome vid girls! ^_^ DFTBA #TFIOS
dannerzme 2 months ago
Some philosophers say what makes a boat a boat is a combination of functionality and intent. A door will float, but it's not a raft because that's not its intended purpose. In this case, the second the boat can no longer float, and transport people and/or goods, then it is no longer a boat in function, but still in intent. If you repair the boat, it is still the intended boat. I say if you don't change the shape or functionality then it remains the same boat.
hatorigirl1202 2 months ago
How do you think the first words formed?
Smileyellafant 2 months ago
I agree with Kristina. If you do it all in one day, it's a new boat. But of you do it over time, by the time you put in the last new plank, the first of the "new" planks is old.
jamiepop123 2 months ago
As long as there will not appear a new second boat, it will remain the old boat.
MaartenZuidland 2 months ago
I'm not even gonna try to explain what I think about this topic. The reason is, I can't really put what I'm thinking down on paper (or in this case, the computer screen). Most of my philosophical ideas are feelings and not really words. Like I know exactly what I think about stuff, but I can't find the words to explain it to others.
yoyayoya101 2 months ago
There will be a part of the boat that is more crucial to the overall boatiness than other parts. Like the keel? I'm not good with boats. The same logic applies to my PC though, if I swap out the RAM chips, the sound card, the gfx card, the processor, the drives even: it's still the same old PC. If the motherboard or case change, then it's new.
staticbeast 2 months ago
QUESTION OF THE UNIVERSE: if you had two hearts, and one stopped working, could you depend on the other to keep you alive?
msdizzie6 2 months ago
derp.. i enjoyed this
DrawingArcane 2 months ago
it becomes a new boat when you run it through a chipped and the new one is made of fiberglass,,end of story
Jenna08848 2 months ago
If I had a boat, and 100 planks too. i would build another boat, so I had two boats!
CallumVids 2 months ago
As long as you are replacing something on the same boat then it is the same old boat, Even if you have replaced everything at some point it is still your old boat. Would anyone call it their new boat. Most would say it is as good as new but not call it a new boat.
Its a boat if it floats and can keep you out of the water but can be taken out of the water itself and on to a ship. Or at least that is how it is in the navy.
imkluu 2 months ago
I call on Plato's Theory of Forms for the last question.
Aradion15 2 months ago
I think that if you replace each piece seperatly, like you take one piece off and then put a new one on then take the next piece off and put on a new one and so on, no matter how long it took you it never becomes a diferent boat.
missingthestarlight 2 months ago
I think it depends on if there are other pieces to the boat, or if its just made up of the origonal 100 planks. Are you changing the whole boat, or just elements to it?
Hannarh98 2 months ago
This reminds me of an old british sitcom joke:
A street sweeper is awarded a medal for long service to the city. He's been working there for 20 years. He tells the major of the city during his 20 years he has used the same brush the entire time. The major is shocked. How is this possible she asks. Well, he says, I've replaced the handle of the brush 7 times and I've replaced the head 12 times.
darkeyes247 2 months ago
This reminds me of something I read about Heraclitus' perpetual change theory .... This pre-Socratic philosopher said "No man ever steps in the same river twice"... which means that nothing is ever the same, due to constant changing. Therefore according to this theory, the boat is new every time you change a plank. But following this theory would cause identity issues... because that would mean that we are always a new person... puzzling! Great question!
bibicotebioli 2 months ago
I think it's all about perception. What if it were more significant parts instead of just plank by plank? If you had a boat that needed a new motor. You would replace the motor but it would still be your old boat. If you bought a brand new boat: and then had to replace it's motor with the motor from your old boat it doesn't become "your old boat". It's something to think about for sure.
mrsshikles 2 months ago
I think it is based on functionality. If you replace all the boats pieces all at the same time or gradually over time it is still the same boat. But when replacing those pieces makes the boat function better then it did when it was new, better streamline, faster engine, then it becomes a new boat. Because it would be different from when the old boat was first purchased or hand built. Improving functionality is a strong indicator of new. If something works better then it used to when it was new.
AngelCrystalProduct 2 months ago
I think that as soon as you put one new plank in, it becomes a new boat, because it isn't the old boat anymore; it's different, so therefore it's new.
NobodySawThat 2 months ago
This reminds me of an architect reference, the Ise Grand Shrine in Japan. It is considered the "oldest shrine in Japan", however, they rebuild the entire shrine exactly the same way every 20 years right next to the previous one. It is considered one entity, but in reality it is made of different physical material each time. This question is asked a lot in architecture dealing with preservation and renovation. Is an ancient building which has undergone extreme restoration still the same building?
MintLee364 2 months ago
when over half of it is unused, it is new
LosDTenaces 2 months ago
what makes an art an art? when is some item an art and not some made-in-china item from the supermarket, even if they look alike?
hattivattiensaari 2 months ago
I definitely agree with Kristina.
ISwishAndFlick 2 months ago
That is an interesting question. When is the boat new? Tha answer is as soon as the first plank is replaced and I will tell you why. From the moment the first plank is replaced change what the boat was so in the eyes of the universe it is a different boat thus making it new. It may have a similar appearance but it still has been altered and made better.
BADBOYCH 2 months ago
How did the universe begin and how did we become who we are today? question for you!
skitzyskitzo 2 months ago
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I think it will always be the 'old boat' because it is still the old boat...unless you literally replace every single part of it...which technically means you are buying a new boat...
skitzyskitzo 2 months ago
heres a question for the universe if you could say any one thing to your yonger self knowing all to well that it could change every thing about your life what would say?
TheThedoctor11th 2 months ago
^^ quite the paradox Kristina and friend! keep them coming !
TheThedoctor11th 2 months ago
I think it will always be the 'old boat' because it is still the old boat...unless you literally replace every single part of it...which technically means you are buying a new boat...
skitzyskitzo 2 months ago
you guys are really smart lol and i completely agree with Kristinas answer
Alinaisamazing 2 months ago
Kristina, you voiced exactly what I was thinking.
zazeezoo17 2 months ago
I'm with you Kristina, all at once = new boat.
Spot repairs over a long time = same boat.
mith59 2 months ago 35
i don't think it EVER becomes a new boat no matter what because it is just the new version of your old boat, and it only becomes the new version when it is completely finished. in ALL circumstances. but i agree that if someone else was to see it they would say it was your new boat but you personally wouldn't.
proudtobemuggleborn 2 months ago
This question of the boat sounds like a metaphor for the discussion ppl had a couple years ago of whether the Parselmouths are still the Parselmouths after the members of the band have changed... and we know where Kristina stands on that issue...
chinareds54 2 months ago in playlist Questions of the Universe
@chinareds54 :D
kristinahorner 2 months ago
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My first thought was that if over 50% of the planks were new then in theory the boat would be a new one. But after some thought I'm not sure if even replacing all of the planks would make a new boat at all. I think that it's the definition of 'new' rather than 'boat' which is important in this situation. Or something.
Camilleypow 2 months ago
My first thought was that if over 50% of the planks were new then in theory the boat would be a new one. But after some thought I'm not sure if even replacing all of the planks would make a new boat at all. I think that it's the definition of 'new' rather than 'boat' which is important in this situation. Or something.
Camilleypow 2 months ago
we studied this is psych when we looked at brain cases. also referring to kristina's 'rebuildingin one day means it's a anew boat' when in that day would you say the boat is new?
aziangr1 2 months ago
Isn't it every 7 years or so all the cells in our body have been replaced with new ones, this means we are not the same people as we were when we were born (thats a lot of W's). To us, though, we're not separate people because we have the same history. However even our memories change and fade, so basically we are 'new' people everyday of our lives and to take it further we can be whoever we want to be because we are always changing.
Molsipop 2 months ago 41
@Molsipop I far as i know, neural cells dont "regenerate"... they are kinda the same all the time... so you brains are the same as they were, only your body is changing...
emma16180 2 months ago
@emma16180 actually it's been a while, but i've seen research that shows that they do, just at a muhuch slower rate than many of our other cells.
oforth 2 months ago
I really like what @Molsipop said. We're never really the same person, day by day, are we?
So I think the boat is different the first time you change it. But instead of thinking of it as a new boat, think of it as a different version of the old boat. Still, not the same boat.
oxTeresaxo 2 months ago
I think it's always the same boat. The boat is more than the sum of its planks. So mostly agree with Kristina
dispelll 2 months ago