Newsweek Gay Bible - Gay Marriage - On Air Segment

[johnnyforjohnny]

The angry responses to this are predictably ignorant. I wonder if they even listened to the broadcast (or read the Bible in Hebrew and Greek).

[whittle4u]

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them" 

[whittle4u]

A gay Bible is a useless as a Chinese paramedic handbook.

[Metalunique]

The gay lifestyle. Next thing you know, pedophiles want to have the right to have sex with children, crackheads want the right to all the drugs they want, men want multiple wives and rednecks want to have sex with animals and so on and so on!! This madness has to stop!! Homosexuality has nothing to do with love and family but, has everything to do with sex. 90% of gays cheat on their partners anyways so, y get married & make things worse 4 yourself!!!!! SAY NO TO GAY MARRIAGE!!!

[wickedndlovely69]

@Metalunique LoL Really you need to look at the actuals of pedophiles the largest number are hetrosexuals and priests of a church all the way up to the top and why have multiple wives when you cheat on them any how with another woman and in some cases men you need to stop being ignorant and family and love are very mush a part of the gay community the same bible says till death do you part not till divorce do you part practice what you preach with the bible thing dont just choose what fits you.

[Metalunique]

@wickedndlovely69 Ah, hell are you talkin' about?! Your making absolutely no sense at all!

[LikaStarr]

Love the Bigot hate the bigotry!

[tomcamp6023]

Hollywood mocking the bible. Wow go figure. The most corrupt industy in the world. Love the sinner hate the sin and homosexuality is a sin. The bible talks about it throughout the bible. This lady has no clue. Genesis is in the Old testament. You need the Holy spirit in you to understand the real meaning of the bible and you get when you when you ask God to come into your life and realize that Jesus died from our sin. Just because someone is nice doesnt mean they are not held accountabe .

[GodCreatesGays2]

Faux "Christians" who spread intolerance and discrimination in "god's" name are the ones who really mock the Bible and the Lord. There's no rational proof anywhere that being gay is a "sin". God creates homosexuality, and He doesn't make mistakes. Accept His will and follow His lead: love the gays.

[bmacin33]

@GodCreatesGays2 God never created homosexuality, thats like saying God created murders.

[GodCreatesGays2]

@bmacin33, if you seriously cannot comprehend the difference between innate, natural characteristics which God creates, like skin color, sexual orientation, or heighs, and chosen acts of violence like murder (!!!), then I'm afraid you do not have the intellectual capacity to discuss this matter with an authority. Sorry.

[bmacin33]

@GodCreatesGays2 It is interesting that you would call it innate or a natural characterisitic, when the is now science to back that, the is more evidence that it is a choice than a part of ones DNA. God is the same yesterday as he is today, and he would not have Created a species the couldn't reproduce it self. The intellectual capacity to discuss choice over what is natural I am more than able. Read Romans 1:26-28 and 1 Cor 6:9-10

[GodCreatesGays2]

@bmacin33 tries to write a coherent sentence, and this is the result: "It is interesting that you would call it innate or a natural characterisitic, when the is now science to back that, the is more evidence that it is a choice than a part of ones DNA"

If you are trying to say there's any "proof" of homosexuality being a "choice", let me assure you, there's not.

"The intellectual capacity to discuss choice over what is natural I am more than able."

If I see any proof, I'll agree.

[wickedndlovely69]

@tomcamp6023 pick and choose thats what your doing if it fits your needs today then use that part and be held accountable should mean to all not just someone who doesnt believe what you do, It is a fact that you cannot prove that God had anything to do with the same book you are speaking of. Marriage for pro creation give me a break when you are to old to multiply or infertile do you take the rights that are given so freely to hetrosexuals? Plain you try and make yourselves God judging

[mabinogiministries]

i hea a lot of this "god is love" stuff these days so i have a question

WHY THE HELL ARE WE TURNING GOD INTO AN EMOTION

GOD cannot be unjust he made laws that were cerimonial and laws that are eternal

the homosexual laws are eternal. GOD didnt approve of the palygamy of david or soloman and abrahams adultery was a human's idea (his wife oddly) GOD made 1 man AND 1 woman in the beggining. think about it

[ktorch]

@mabinogiministries --- When Adam told his son to go build a city, someone must have been awfully busy!! If you believe Adam and Eve were the beginning of mankind and the human race, . . . . you are a disturbed human being!

[theblood322]

Now we must deny all the tricks of the enemie and serve the Lord but however we suffer the consenques of adam because of this one man we all have to die. So will you be an overcomer or consumed by the lust of your flesh and we aint just talking about sex

[theblood322]

We were all born into sin shapen in inquity and no one has a choice on what issue that they will have to deal whether it be alcholic,cussing,gossiping, spreading discord which is an abomination, adultry,forinication, we all have one of these spirits or another since the list is so long. However our test is can we overcome these obstacle and abstain which is self denial same thing with adam and eve. Satan was already loose in the earth doing his thing because this is his territory.

[EvanTurkFilms]

You can't make a law in America based on Religion alone. You must provide a secular augment/reason for your law. If you have to quote Bible references to make your case, it's absolutely worthless, since it's not a religion everybody shares the same values of!

[malkiFoxX]

This is so horrible. how can anyone be gay? yes eve was made from a rib. if its so hard to believe its because you have not wanted to believe anything that is against the way you live. you dont look for truth. please all you want is sugar coated damnation. Yes i am a talkin to YOU!

[Xmaggot93X]

@malkiFoxX Alright. You honestly believe that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree? And you have the nerve to say we're thinking up myths? Get real.

Gays aren't bothering you, yet you're bothering the gays! You're a fucking pussy.

[malkiFoxX]

@Xmaggot93X pussy. comin from the man behind the computer screen huh. yea. real tough. take your advice and GET REAL.

[Xmaggot93X]

@malkiFoxX I am real. I'm not gay, but I'm standing up for them. Why the hell are you bashing them? Because your Bible told you to? Actually, if you read the Bible, even badly, it doesn't say shit about homosexuality. It's a primitive Christian tradition to bash on gays. And this is coming from the faggots who are sent out to 'spread love and peace'.

And here's a question. What about the Divine Plan? It was in God's plan for them to be gay. By hating the gays, you're hating his plans. Smart.

[bmacin33]

@Xmaggot93X Clearly you don't read the Bible, Leviticus 18:22, 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Cor 6:9-10 are clear in comments about homosexuality. If someone wants to have that lifestyle then cool, but don't try and change the bible to fit your lifestyle.  God divine Plan is that all would repent and live by his word.

[theblood322]

@malkiFoxX God requires that we love each unconditional and not be mean which dosen't serve a purpose. You should know them by the love which they show for one another. Love is very important otherwise it defeats the puropse that God has planned for God so Love the world

[theblood322]

@Xmaggot93X Yo and you're not showing the love christ by using vuglar language toward another person you just defeated the person he said with loving kindness have I drawn you and Love is strong as death so how strong is your love

[Xmaggot93X]

@theblood322 Who said I was a Christian? I have respect for people, it's a neutral feeling that you feel by default. But, if I learn that you hate gays, I'll bash on you.

[dannii5585]

@PuZaH33

I guess if you don´t have children your existence in the Universe is senseless right? It´s plain ignorance to tell me I am wrong to love my boyfriend who I´ve been with for over 6 years now just because your Bible says so. And I mean... please, Eve was created out of a rib???... yes cuz that makes a lot of sense. Bible stories are as real as Superman comics. You choose what to believe in and I choose to believe there is a God who loves me and accepts me and my boyfriend as we are.

[Logan3172]

If you eat pork, shrimp, or rabbit, you go to hell. If you pull out, use a condom, or masturbate, you go to hell. If you kill someone, EVEN IN WAR, you go to hell. So all our brave soldiers who died are in hell now. And 3/4's of america are on their way. Homosexuality isnt the only fucking sin. So focus on your own lives. :)

[MattFrame]

Of course, rational & educated people know that the Bible is man's word, not God's. It's men's myths, stories, & fables, all designed to indoctrinate the masses & control their thoughts. It's been changed, edited, translated, & interpreted many times, so any one particular "message" its readers choose or need to take from it is open to interpretation. In the original texts, there was no word for "homosexuality", and the term homosexual was only inserted into the book in 1946. God's word? Nope.

[RU4CHRIST7]

Paul said homosexuals would not inherit the kingdom of God. And Christ said that in the begging it was one man and one woman.

[KingSalomon4U]

Lisa MIller does not understand the bible.

[shaynebh]

what a joke

[theembracedofgod]

how is this supporting gay rights from the bible?

[mikean72]

1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (New International Version)

8Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers. 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

[smellyfooty]

there is no god.

there's just us. people.

[dannii5585]

Now, it is only natural that HOMOSEXUALITY AS IT WAS KNOWN AT THE TIME was to be forbidden by ¨GOD¨ because homosexuality was specifically related to pagan Gods and rituals, you have to read the bible in context to history as well and you´ll understand that it has nothing to do with commited and loving gay relationships nowadays. I have tons of historical/biblical info on it if you´d like to read. I am not the evil homosexual you think I am and I know the real God loves me as I am.

[dannii5585]

And then Noahs ark, God was concerned about the level of wickedness, violence, and other evil behavior among humans, All of the men, women, youth, children, infants and newborns were to be drowned in a great, world-wide flood. Because Noah was a decent man -- alone as such among the human race -- , the lives of Noah, his three sons (Shem, Ham, and Japheth), and their four wives were to be spared. They were to escape drowning by entering an ark. BIGGEST GENOCIDE EVER, God wouldnt do that!

[BelieveIt1051]

I love how Newsweak (that's right, weak) does not have anyone on to defend the Bible against the lies put forth by these two pro same-sex marriage advocates.

The Bible never endorsed polygamy. It merely documented the existance of it. Jesus Christ also stated that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. He clearly stated that a man will leave his father and mother and will cleave unto his wife, and they twain (meaning TWO) shall be one flesh.

That woman is clearly lying.

[dannii5585]

...Oh Lord... Listen... I don´t even care who you are or what you believe in, that´s your choice, whatever, but back it up the way you want to, use the Bible say whatever you want, but there is NOTHING wrong with 2 people loving each other, fine! don´t call it marriage, but the reality is WE EXIST and deserve respect and equality, I have lived 5 years respecting and loving my couple and as a HUMAN I deserve certain rights and your religion nor anyones should dictate MY life.

[BelieveIt1051]

You are the way you are because you chose to be. You can change at any time. You aren't being denied any rights.

I wasn't using the Bible to argue for anything. I was just pointing out that this woman lied about what the Bible actually says.

[dannii5585]

How would YOU know that I ¨chose¨ to be gay? LOL!!! Yeah, I woke up one morning and I said to myself... I think I wanna be gay from now on! THAT IS JUST RIDICULOUS! When did you decided to be straight? Do you remember? I was borned the way I was borned and the situations in life, IF ANY, that led me to be gay are irrelevant because I AM GAY and that´s it, I exist and I am going nowhere, I am not a pervert, I harm no one, you don´t even know me. Say what you will, HUMAN RIGHTS WILL WIN AGAIN

[BelieveIt1051]

That's a strawman. No one ever claimed that people wake up one day and just decide to be gay. That is usually something that requires a lot of time and contemplation. I decided to be straight when I was about 12 years old. I made this choice based on my wants. I wanted to emulate my parents and have a family of my own. This narrowed the choice down quite a bit, as you might imagine. There were other reasons as well. You claim to be born gay because you are brainwashed and irresponsible.

[dannii5585]

...Now, I will not respond anymore because I wont waste my time on you, you hear no reasons nor logical arguments, you are blinded by I don´t even know how to call it, but one thing I know for sure, next generations will be more open minded and intelligent to accept that gay people are no perverts. I have being loyal and respectful to my partner for 5 years now, a relationship based on love and there is nothing wrong with that. I will live to see equality and acceptance, you too, so prepare.

[BelieveIt1051]

So you reply, then refuse to debate further because you have decided that I don't give proper consideration to your reply BEFORE I have a chance to respond?

The next generations will be more susceptible to the brainwashing you have undergone, and they will be more easily controlled by the deviants. I admit that. However, they will also be much easier to defeat in discussions and debates. None of you know how to argue with logic. You only talk about your feelings and emotions. Pathetic.

[dannii5585]

So FORGET about religious arguments, RELIGION has NOTHING AT ALL to do with this. This is about discrimination and closed minded people. Years ago women couldnt vote nor have any position of empowerment and many people used religious arguments against ti, but HUMAN RIGHTS WON the battle and they vote now. Interracial marriage was not allowed and there were religious arguments against it, but HUMAN RIGHTS won the battle and they cann marry now, HUMAN RIGHTS WILL WIN THE BATTLE AGAIN!

[BelieveIt1051]

No, this is about sexual deviants and their attempts to force society to accept their perverted actions and behaviors. You are not being denied any rights. NONE. No one used Christianity to argue against equal rights for anyone. Any religious argument against them was clearly refuted by the actual words of the Bible. Those who argue against civil rights are just using their own distorted idea of what the Bible says. Christianity is responsible for EVERY civil right in America. Believe it!

[dannii5585]

So please, dont use the Bible, it is ridiculous, a book full of polygamists, God himself gambling with the devil over Job´s life and family (and Job´s family got killed in the process), God himself sends the flood to kill EVRYONE but Noah, Noah spends over 100 years building the arc instead of spreading the word of God so they can be saved... I mean... I could go on. I know there is a God, but the bible sounds more like fairy tales and historical based than actual ¨God all love¨ teachings...

[BelieveIt1051]

No it isn't. It merely documents the fact that polygamy existed in that era. It does not endorse it in any way. It states that marriage is 1 man 1 woman. God didn't gamble with anyone's life. He used Job as an example of what faith in Him should look like. No one would have been saved during the days of Noah. That's why he had to build an ark. The only basis for a belief in God is the Bible. So if you don't believe in it then you have no basis to believe in God.

[dannii5585]

The only basis for a belief in God is the Bible? So ANYONE that believes in something different has no basis to believe in God. Budists, Muslims, etc... they don´t really believe in God because they don´t believe in the Bible? So, what made YOUR religion and your Bible THE ONLY WAY? If you think about it any religion could be THE ONE, they all believe their religion is the right one. I have no religion, I follow no book. I believe in GOD AND HIS LOVE, period. For all I know, u could be wrong

[BelieveIt1051]

Yes, the Bible is the basis for the concept of God. All cultures copied off of what existed of the Old Testament.

God's word is the only way. There is only one God, and His word is truth. It isn't about what I think. I merely accept that truth and believe in it. So it isn't my way exclusively. For all you know. That's the point. Maybe I'm right and you're wrong. So don't you think you should research Christianity and see if it is correct?

[dannii5585]

...Now... the bible never endorsed polygamy right? But don´t you think God could have spoken to his saint holly followers and tell them ¨Son, what you are doing is wrong¨ or say ¨You should only have one wife¨... But no, it is simply overlooked. I am sorry, but I just cant picture a perfect being using this guy ¨Job¨ and his family to teach a lesson to us over his family´s life, gambling with the devil because that´s what he did, if there is a God, and there is, he would never do that.

[BelieveIt1051]

He did. He stated numerous times (and you can hear this referenced in the video, albeit poorly) that a man shall leave his father and mother and shall cleave unto his wife and they twain (meaning two) shall be one flesh. God clearly stated that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. Jesus said the same thing.

God used Job as an example of one who is truly faithful. He did not gamble. In fact, He couldn't gamble because He would already know the outcome.

You're a Biblical illiterate.

[dannii5585]

Finally, I am not a Bible illiterate since my family is very religious and my grandfather is a priest, so I am very familiar to the Bible, and that is the reason why I can´t believe The real God is indeed the Bible´s God, because I read it and makes no sense... And feelings and emotions are not pathetic, that´s what makes us human, if you consider that when I speak about my feelings and emotions I am being pathetic mr. BelieveIt1051, you are indeed a pathetic human being yourself.

[buktomsin]

danni wat makes no sense about it, its simple taking action and actually doing wat it say is also hard for murders theives idolaters adulterers and men who lie with men.its tough for every1 including christians. but if u find some people trying to listen to its counsel then they'll definitly be better off then not! theres no credentials in having a religious family just like hitlers grandsons and mussolines grandchildren. listen to the psalmist and pray to the TRUE god YHWH or 4 english JEHOVAH

[BelieveIt1051]

You reject the parts of the Bible that go against your personal feelings and go against what you enjoy doing. You are a Biblical illiterate.

How can you believe any part of the Bible if you think many other parts of it are flawed?

[dannii5585]

Whatever dude, I see the Bible from a historical point of view because otherwise backing up any argument on the Bible is like using a Harry Potter book to back it up... How is your God any more real than Harry Potter? How is YOUR religion any more real than ANY other religion? You choose to believe in this so your life can actually follow a path and have a meaning, but the fact that YOU believe in something doesn´t make it real or right, try to use some common sense! Anyway... have a great life

[dannii5585]

Now, I gave you ACTUAL parts of the Bible 2 MONTHS AGO that say things that you simply can not explain and you havent, parts where God kills people, where polygamists sit with God in heaven even though God considers it is wrong in other parts of the Bible... My point is, it is a very imperfect Book for a perfect being to have created it and it depicts a good loving forgiving being on one hand but a lying, killing and deceiving being on the other hand, the Bible´s God is not God.

[BelieveIt1051]

God is the giver and taker of life. So what if He killed people? Polygamists don't sit with God in Heaven. Those in Heaven are without sin. So they are no longer polygamists. God is love, but He is also just. In the cases where He lays His wrath upon people, He is being just. Your problem is that you don't understand this because you're a Biblical illiterate.

I know the Bible is true because it has solutions to all of lifes problems, is backed up by science, and provides a connection to God.

[dannii5585]

And you know deep inside everything I told you makes perfect sense! YOU are indeed rejecting, or ignoring parts of the Bible that you simply cant explain. God commanding Abraham to sacrifice his own son to prove his love and then going like ¨just joking!¨, killing everyone on earth with the flood, gambling with Satan over Job´s life, Jesus himself taught that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would sit in the kingdom of heaven even though they were polygamists. And all you do is ignore all this.

[BelieveIt1051]

I accept all parts of the Bible because it is the complete and perfect word of God. There is no flaw in it at all, and no historical or scientific discovery to date has contradicted it. They have only backed it up. God proved a point to Abraham about trusting in Him. Killing a load of wicked people doesn't strike me as odd in the least. God used Job as an example of how trusting we are supposed to be. Jesus said we all will sit in Heaven even though we are sinners too. What's your point?

[dannii5585]

ha ha ha! You are funny... Killing a lot of wicked people doesnt strike me as odd... Yeah, well extreme muslims think we are a bunch of wicked people and that´s why they kill us, does it make it right though? And I bet children and babies were killed in the flood too, were they wicked people? What you are saying is basically it does not matter if God was a mass murderer and delights on gambling with peoples lifes to ¨teach others¨ a lesson, you blindly follow... another religious extremist

[BelieveIt1051]

The difference is that extremist muslims are not God, nor do they follow the word of God. They don't have the ability to know who is wicked, nor do they have the authority to take life. God does, so He did when He flooded the world. Babies and children weren't at the time, but they would have grown up to be, since their parents were wicked. God knew this. So He killed them too knowing full well that He could then welcome those children into Heaven after they died.

God didn't gamble anything.

[dannii5585]

Whatever dude... Killing is not right under any circumstance. Still, your God insnt any more real than the Muslims God or Superman... YOU CHOOSE to believe in it, you CHOOSE to believe in the Bible, but there are as many historical facts to say Alah is real or God is real... I don´t follow ANY religion, cause every single one of them was created to control and brainwash people like you. , But I´ll just keep living my gay life as people become more understanding to others and more equal.

[BelieveIt1051]

So is dying of old age also not right in your view? Because that's how God takes the lives of most people. Is God wrong for that?

And no, God IS real. The mere fact that people choose to believe in Him doesn't make Him any less real. Neither does your choice to believe He isn't real make Him any less real.

And what about your belief? Why is yours the right one? Why is yours not a method of control? What if your belief is nothing more than a way of blinding you to the truth that is God?

[dannii5585]

...How ridiculous your arguments and answers have become... I´m done with you, whatever SEND ME TO HELL BECAUSE I AM GAY! I don´t care to change your mind, it is as pointless as trying to get me to change mine. Anyway the reality is more and more people slowly but surely are realizing homosexuality is just as normal as you being straight and we shouldnt be judged for being who we are since GAY is not all there is to me. The world will be better once we learn to accept and dont judge everyone.

[BelieveIt1051]

You won't go to Hell for being gay, you'll go to Hell for rejecting Christ. That is unless you pray to him realizing you're a sinner, that he died on the cross for your sins and rose again, and ask him to save you from your sins. Doing that will get you to Heaven, even if you still remain gay after praying that prayer.

Not that people's opinions prove fact from fiction, but the reason why few people are believing that being gay is normal is because they're being misinformed by gay activists.

[dannii5585]

In the eyes of other religions YOU are going to hell because you believe in a different God, every religion sends others to hell and evry one cancels each other and we are all goin to hell one way or another in the eyes of someone... religions are stupid! Use your brains and recognize when you discriminate people, when you judge people, when you label people... none of that is good even if your Bible says so... SO PERIOD, I AM DONE WITH U, HAVE A NICE LIFE!

[BelieveIt1051]

Actually no religion describes a "Hell". The closest is Greek mythology which describes Hades, but since that religion is no longer around we know that was wrong. Islam describes a Hell, but since Islam is derived mostly from Jewdism but heavily altered to justify their hatred and political views we also know that is fake. No, most religions believe in a "next life" or a reincarnation. And you're right, religions are stupid, that's why Christianity is a faith and not a religion.

[dannii5585]

There is no other God but God right? And to worship other Gods is a great great sin, so, I don`t understand how I don`t see any christian person protesting against other religions, I guess it should be ilegal to believe in other Gods if you really have such strong beliefs that you will not tolerate a homosexual couple get married because the Bible says it is wrong. Yet we see that there`s so much hypocrisy going on, christians do tolerate other Gods and beliefs but not my lifestyle, why?

[BelieveIt1051]

What we oppose are the efforts of activists to force homosexuality and same-sex marriage on society by codifying them in the law.

We would oppose a similar effort that tried to force any religions on society by codifying them as law.

People are free to be gay in the privacy of their own homes. As they are free to worship false gods. What people are not free to do is force that on society to accept.

[trimmy420]

Matthew 22:34-40 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replies: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

[nezahualcoyotl85]

nothing is for certan some get saved well others get called

for the gays that beilve in god they bealive god is okay with it as much as you beleive its wrong and for the ones that dohnt why? risk love for a power that may not exist or care. i understand you say its wrong but i dohnt undestand why it is

[nezahualcoyotl85]

as for if its natural ebola is natural

dying is natural fuck even snake venom

the real question is doese it hurt others

some one reply if you think it doese.

its okay to base your life on your ancestors teachings just remember that they were no wiser then us

[nezahualcoyotl85]

HEAR THE COYOTE'S CALL

[nezahualcoyotl85]

along as gay love is between 2 equals

then culd this be god? you knowe the tuch of the divine its okay not to be gay and it is good that you love them but saying something and doing something is two difernt things brother. yas got spiret but tou also have free will ask someone close that is like a pasture or church eldder why its wrong to be gay! and distance yourself and see if this what jesus wuld say peace!

[ToffTurban]

The Bible says clearly that to be gay is a sin. I'd rather not interpret what men say, but what God says. God gave us free will not so we could do what we want, but so we could follow Him and give glory to His name.

[ToffTurban]

We are all sinners, and when we die, we will answer to God for those sins, but God doesn't tell us to live the best we can and "get by". He wants wants us to live the best we can sure, but He also wants us to tell others about Him, and to steer them in the right direction! Not say, "well...I know he's sinning, and I know the right thing to do, but hey...it's his life, I hope the best for him."

[nezahualcoyotl85]

i agree if their is a god than we will most surely be juged but id never steer my sister away from her partner becuase its who she is

like people who are autistic tell me if the argument was reversed on it was wrong to be hetrosexual culd you be gay knowing who you are now culd you god if he exists most defintly wuld whant us to know him but theirs many things in the bible that you and i dohnt follow. i just find it hard to belive in a god who wuld punish my sissters

[nezahualcoyotl85]

continued..... for loving someone who loves them back with all their heart.

are you familier with a man named carl sagen

he siad if their is a god then hes to small for one planet. i interpet this as their is many books and songs of faith but one god one god who is more concerened with the biger picture. are you familier with the term two spirets? just curiois please excuse my spelling

[ToffTurban]

Let's say the Bible is correct, and it is the Word of God. Then that would mean God does love us, God does want to spend eternity with us...we ARE IT!...and all He asks of us is that we believe in Him and follow His commandments. Why wouldn't you want to accept His free gift of everlasting life?

...and no, I don't think I'm familiar with the term two spirits. (it sounds kinda familiar,but I'm not sure)

[ToffTurban]

So you're saying a Just God is stupid? It would be better if God just let people do whatever they wanted? That there should be no penalty for your actions?

[nezahualcoyotl85]

a just god is not stupid i just can picture him hurting people who do no harm and are only deferent from others

[nezahualcoyotl85]

i mean cant

[ToffTurban]

Ah, but they are doing harm by using there bodies to commit an action that God has deemed sinful and wicked. Which are acts against God.

[nezahualcoyotl85]

how are they doing harm in what way! WHY DOES GOD THINK ITS WRONG IS NOT THE BIBLE SCRIBED BY MAN A NOT SO PERFECT BIENG. DO PEOPLE DIE BECAUSE OF GAY MARRIAGE

[ToffTurban]

Do people die because people lie?

Or steal?

Or cheat?

[nezahualcoyotl85]

YES SOMETIMES

WHAT ABUOT GAYS DO THEY?

[nezahualcoyotl85]

ggghhhjjj

[nezahualcoyotl85]

if god is the ultimante power and new who we were before the world became to be

than why cerate gays many gay people are born in chriswtian familys not pagan and won of your qoutes stated people comited gay sin do to idol worship. tou and i have been given are sexuality enjoy it and let them enjoy theirs

[ToffTurban]

So really what you're saying is why did God create sin. Well, it all started with Adam and Eve...God gave them a choice, and they chose sin...just like many do today. But God provided a way out of sin through Him...and I'm forever grateful.

[nezahualcoyotl85]

i no of sin

what i asked is why if god exists doese

he cerate people who are gay

[ToffTurban]

You know, you are asking some pretty in depth questions which I'm not sure I'm ready to answer, for fear I might give you the wrong one.

But what I can say is, God is real...and He does love gays, but gays are using themselves wrongly. It's NEVER to late to repent. I just had this conversation with another guy on a different video. He got mad and stormed off. So I thank you for at least taking the time to write me back in a "cool" manner.

[nezahualcoyotl85]

what was the title of the video

any ways i understand if your not ready

it is pretty in depth and all

i thank you as well in writnig back in a good manner. the reason i disagree on this topic is because my sister has shown love for her partner that was more sencere then a lot of straights show and when people try to change her without a reason it really hurts her.

[nezahualcoyotl85]

if god is love then the pain she feels takes away her humanity and sence of a divine in a way.

[ToffTurban]

The title was "Sarah Palin CHOSE to be gay".

[nezahualcoyotl85]

yure a good debater ya whant ta be friends

[ToffTurban]

Sure do! :) Thanks!

[ToffTurban]

We should grab our "brother" (if you will) and help him down the right path, not ignore it and hope for the best. Believe me, if I wasn't 100% sure that being gay was a sin, I wouldn't be trying to make them see the error of their ways.

[ToffTurban]

Listen, I'M A SINNER...I know what it's like. I'm not just angry at them because I have a "god" complex. If someone had stolen something I'd say, "Dude, you're a sinner and you need to repent...not to mention give that thing back." If someone had killed someone I'd say, "Dude, that's murder...you're a sinner, you need to repent...get right with God." If someone lied I'd say, "Dude, you are a liar, you need to repent cause you're a sinner...and tell the truth."

[ToffTurban]

If you're gay...I'd say, "Dude, you're a sinner, you need to repent...and get right with God. No different.

[nezahualcoyotl85]

but if it was wrong to be striagt culd you be gay oh brother culd youm change the fellings you have for women

[ToffTurban]

That is a bad example,(no offense) but it won't happen and frankly couldn't happen.

[nezahualcoyotl85]

and thats exactly what gays say when people whant them to change their sexuality

[ToffTurban]

Men and women are a natural relation.(hence Adam and Eve)

Men and men, and women and women are considered indecent acts...or they were, up until the 1970's. Or an approximation there of.

[dannii5585]

Well, God says in the Bible we should stone homosexuals to death, oh! and also a child that curses his fathers should be put to death! Wait! Well, that´s all part of the old covenant and we are not really suppossed to do that anymore after Christ came, because apparently God´s moral basis changes over time but not enough to accept gay people. The Bible really doesnt sound like it was inspired by a perfect, all love being, there is a God but I am sure the Bible´s one isnt the one, can´t be.

[BelieveIt1051]

God said that to people who lived thousands of years ago because that is how sin was delt with back then. But because Jesus died on the cross for their sins, that means it was his death to take, not theirs. That means gays can be forgiven by accepting Christ, and they do not have to be stoned anymore. God accepts people who are gay, so long as they accept Christ. God does not accept sin though, and homosexuality is a sin.

And as I said before, homosexuality is a choice.

[dannii5585]

Anyone who reads the book of Job can say that was indeed a bet between God and the devil, no question, put it the way you want. Homosexuality is not a choice, but if it was, my choice to be gay should be respected because you are no better than me just because you are straight. And yes the Bible says the ¨shall cleave unto his wife and they twain¨ thing, but out of numerous times God spoke to X guy with many wives he NEVER to him, ¨son, polygamy is bad and wrong¨... did he?

[BelieveIt1051]

Post the verse stating that it was a bet then.

I didn't say I was better than you. I have my own flaws to overcome, just as you have yours. I will not respect your choice, but I will respect your right to make it.

I don't know if He said that directly to any of those who practiced polygamy, but if He did then it would have been between Him and the polygamist. That wouldn't necessarily be documented in the Bible.

But, Deut 17:17 says that the king shall not multiply wives unto himself.

[dannii5585]

And then Jesus himself taught that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would sit in the kingdom of heaven Matthew 8:11, Luke 13:28. So? The Bible is messed up, many things don´t make sense at all! Do you see my point now?

[dannii5585]

Oh God! Open your eyes! Read YOUR BIBLE! Exodus 21:10 preety much says that if a man were to have another wife her food, clothing and marital right were not to be diminished, Deutoronomy 21:15-17 talks about equity of wives and children under plural marriages, ABRAHAM HAD MULTIPLE WIVES Genesis 16:1-11,25:1 , Jacob had multiple wives Genesis 29:28, 30:4,9,26.

[dannii5585]

And regarding Job, I cant post the entire book of Job here, you know that, anyone who wnats to read it they can read it and judge yourselves, but the fact is GOD brought Job up to the devil not the other way around, and GOD gave power over Job and his family to the devil just to prove Job was loyal and teach us a lesson. The devil killed Jobs family but don't worry about the first sevens sons and three daughters who had to die senseless deaths. They'll simply be replaced by new ones!

[dannii5585]

So basically the Bible says one thing, but then it says the complete opposite about the same thing, how could you lose? But how is it that you use this book to tell me I am wrong according to God when the book doesnt even make sense sometimes! IT WAS WRITTEN BY MEN! I know there is a God, and despite what you think I belive in God, but the Bible´s God CAN´T BE GOD, I just can´t picture that God. I gave you solid arguments based on the Bible that directly affect credibility, now what?

[nezahualcoyotl85]

culd not that same hope you feel be what they feel when their with there partner?

[nezahualcoyotl85]

it just seems to me you have some problems with gays because your qoutes arnt very positive you no any how you dohnt have to like them but you do have to respect them and their veiws of marriage live and let live be safe hope for others to be safe and dohnt look at the small details im sory if i came across as a wanker! im just argumentive and sic of people bashing my sisters! peaceout

[nezahualcoyotl85]

good to have some faith beliave me!

but many gay people as well as hetrosexuals like me

but not all! just dohnt give a dam about what the scripture has to say jesus as well as many other prophets im sure were all right guys but when it comes down to it unless their is a seculir reason why to cunsulting adults cant love each other then i dohnt see why they cant marry because ones personal belifs in the supernatrul dosent trump anothers love you dohnt have to be gay

[nezahualcoyotl85]

why isent anyone protesting red lobster or divorce

and oh ya peircing ones ears are wrong to for it destroys the temple of the body and arnt many people in america overwaight and i thought glutony was a deadly sin oh ya i almost forgot a women on the rag should hide her self from men until shes no longer.one word sums this up hypocrites

[nezahualcoyotl85]

look i respect people of faith just not hypocrites also please excuse my spelling

[nezahualcoyotl85]

some one give me a real reason you no secular reason that isent by the fundmentalists becuase we all no that they just love to lie about sceince and confuse it with creationist crap. so can some one give me a real reason why being gay is wrong.

[nezahualcoyotl85]

just wondering why it doesent state in the ten camadments that one shall not marry one of the same sex. hmmmmm! mayby because its between to consulting adults CHILDREN DEAD PEOPLE AND ANIMALS DOHNT GIVE CONSENT! and pologamy is not a sexual orentation its mearly haveing more than one spouse. ha! comparing gays and lesbiens to this is like comparing rocks to diemonds! doesent god say do not judge!

[nezahualcoyotl85]

every one is intitled to free speach

i was mearly utilizing my right

my right to simply state that basing your life around pretend storys is okay as long as you dohnt force it on others. if any one has any real reasons why gay mariage is wrong lets hear it lets have some scientific proof you no real answers. and as for the argument that gay marriage afects your marriage how so! and well were on topic what about reilgions that allow gay marriage weres their rights to their belifs

[ToffTurban]

Forcing??...I'm forcing my beliefs??...All I did was quote scripture! I didn't even give you anything to debate yet and your slamming my faith! Thanks alot.

[nezahualcoyotl85]

its just all this scripture stuff seems negative

[ToffTurban]

What people seem to forget is God is LOVE...all He asks is that we obey and believe in Him.

I personally think that being gay is wrong, however, having said that I still love them and want them to find the same hope I have in Jesus Christ. I don't mean anyone any harm, but there is sin in the world, and I think this is an area where people need to repent from their sin, and get right with God. :)

[nezahualcoyotl85]

your most certanly right their is much sin in this world! but the bible is a big book with many pages how can you be sure that you are interpenting it right no ofense its just many people seem to interpet it deferntly.

[nezahualcoyotl85]

wtf! who the fuck whats to base how they live their life on people who lived thousands of years ago. so what if abraham slept aruond

so what if the aztecs cut peoples hearts out

and wether or not we came from apes the piont is this is the 21th century and times have changed.sure everyone is intitled to thier belifs but when it comes to gay marriage let them mary! its not efecting you

as for the santity of marriage its what you and your partner brings to it.

[ToffTurban]

So because I post scripture on why gay marriage is wrong, and want to see gays come to know the God I know...you want to cuss me out? I thought I was entitled to my beliefs?

[ToffTurban]

30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

[ToffTurban]

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,

[ToffTurban]

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

[ToffTurban]

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

[ToffTurban]

Romans 1:21-32

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

[livingmiracle07]

you do research, its a choice not inherited. I know several people that have ocercome it.

[xothegirlz]

Because you would know what a person other than yourself is thinking, right? Anyone who says he/she was gay, and overcame it is lying. Whether they're lying to themselves or just everyone else, THEY'RE lying. People are born with their sexual orientation.

[svenarvidtadhg]

It is not a choice. I tried to pray away my sexuality for over six years of my life.

It is not a choice.

[atila2009]

Also, I'd rather see people in a married, monogamous relationship than anything else, if that is what they want to do. I'm old-fashioned that way.

[atila2009]

Absolutely, bgbreakdown. I have an extremely hard time believing that if God is supposed to be so loving, he would cast out his own children for loving and wanting to get married.... By not allowing gay marriage, you're saying that certain people that are different from the norm cannot have the same rights. Is that what your god teaches? Because I'd rather not be religious if that's the case.

[bgbreakdown]

We, as humans simply either have to have faith that God is either a cop or a loving father. The Bible is contradictory in its ideas, as you can imagine for something that was written by a whole bunch of different and disperate people in ancient times and then updated by religious leaders and royalty over centuries. Remember that "religion" itself is about controlling people. Don't be religous, atila. If you love people God will love you.

[bgbreakdown]

irongate, you are wrong. Simple as that. You are just bigoted and hide behind the bible. But you have so much company! And as always prejudice seems perfectly OK when you're part of a herd.

Hate is the abomination. Jesus could tell you that if you listened to him!

[livingmiracle07]

Homosexuality is an abomination! Jesus would tell you that too! You all pick apart the bible and hide behind your arrogance. Read Romans 1! God hates people who disobey his word, but if you confess your sins He will forgive you! But you have to be serious. Homosexuality has no place in this world and God will destroy this world. By the way, Homosexuality is not natural. The butt is an exit, not an injection point for a male organ.

[bgbreakdown]

Well, go on livingmiracle. Embrace hate. See how that serves you as you live your life. Your "God is hate" philosophy is quite refreshing, actually. At least you're honest enough to admit that you hate, unlike the mealy mouthed so-called Christians who claim they "love the sinner and hate the sin".

Read and try and understand Jesus' Parable of the Pharisee, son, and try and get your head around that lesson. But don't feel lonely if ya can't. Neither can most Christians from the Pope on down.

[atila2009]

"The butt is an exit, not an injection point for a male organ."

I'm curious, does the bible say that? "Thou shalt not puteth thou organ into another man's holy exit."

On a more serious note, "picking apart" the bible and trying to stand up for our rights and the rights of others is wrong, but it's okay for YOU to shove scripture in our faces? Who's arrogant now?

[svenarvidtadhg]

Jesus wouldn't say that. He didn't even mention it.

Romans 1 uses a Greek word that is not seen in any other historical documents, that probably does not denote homosexuality (and didn't in English until the 1800s).

Homosexuality is not natural? Funny that it happens in nature, then.

Also, we "pick apart the Bible," because you can't look at it and say it's perfect in modern translation. Shame on you for *not* picking apart the Bible. You assume you're correct, so who is arrogant?

[ikinmoore]

BIGOT ! BIGOT ! Go and get an education !

[livingmiracle07]

is that all you can say??? wow, ur public school education did wonders didnt it. grow a vocabulary.

[ikinmoore]

Do you understand what the word bigot means. It means that there are people out there who are so narrowminded to the subject of homosexuality and coming to terms with it !

[irongate777]

It is fully clear that neither newsweek nor homosexual activists know the Word of God at all. They've gotten acceptance in just about every area except the church and God's Word is the same yesterday, today, and FOREVER.

IT IS AN ABOMINATION BEFORE GOD.

[livingmiracle07]

Irongate, I agree with you. This whole thing is just GAY, no appology for the pun. NewsWeek is just another liberal organization that has gotten it all wrong this time.

[atila2009]

Ha! Sarcasm for the win :-D

[svenarvidtadhg]

Go ahead, hide in your prejudice and ignorance.

"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible."