I agree that HTML5 is better because its open, but there is't any good tools for creating animations in HTML5 and similar technologies. Thats why HTML5 isn't succseeding. As long as there are no tools for non-programmers to use, apple should support viewing flash on their devices atleast outside the webbrowser as an app.
HTML5 does not save CPU in streaming videos VS flash (search for "Flash, HTML5 comparison finds neither has performance advantage" on apple insider).
@fkeopfkeop HTML5 isn't a proprietary vendor platform, it's an open specification. So no, it's not functionally equivalent to Flash, nor is it aiming to be. Its point was to facilitate open web servers, tools and clients that don't need a plugin like Flash or Silverlight (why Apple & Google supported it and Adobe & Microsoft resisted it until they had no chance of winning).
The article you cite is based on bad information. Any tech Adobe can deliver for Flash it can also for HTML5.
@thehighconcept You’re contradicting yourself and your very ignorant, did you even read the article I cited? It was not about tech, but preformance. I have yet to see vector manipulation like shape tween in HTML5/CSS3/JS/Canvas/SVG, can you show an animation in in HTML5 doing this?
Well here is the thing, html5 has a lot to offer, but still at it starting stage. Flash also has a lot to offer, but has been their for a while and their is a lot more videos, games, etc in flash then html5
@aw1133t Yes, resisting bad but well entrenched standards is a choice.
It's how Eastern Europe got rid of Communism and how Macs took back market share from Windows. You can't have options if you can't choose anything but the monopoly and some phony choices erected by the monopolist.
@azel6 Wow, two years later. Then Google ships Android 4.0 ICS and Adobe doesn't have a version of Flash available for it. That's what you want? The web in the hands of one incompetent vendor that can't be replaced because it has established a monopoly on a critical infrastructure link?
Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, calling SHENANIGANS on this. As a professional designer/developer ... you can't just ignore something.... which is exactly what apple did. Adobe tried to meet apple half way with flash lite. But yet, apple decided that their products don't need flash, so obviously you don't since they know what is better for you.
But most importantly >> it is narrowing the ways for designers to express themselves on the web.
@ExileOC No, Adobe did not have a version of Flash capable of a) running on mobile devices well and b) capable of running desktop PC browser Flash content. It continued to be unable to deliver this until late 2010, when it started release its first betas for Android. That was THREE YEARS TOO LATE for iPhone. Good thing Apple didn't wait around. "Flash Lite" was a completely different platform that leverages the Flash brand name. It is not compatible with Flash content users might want to view.
@danielerandilger - No they support jQuery and that's it. What apple is doing is hamstringing interactive media by being 1st out the gate... and stubborn. And as you can see in the iPhone development, they opted out of involving features like flash when others were able to eventually do it, they just decide to tell everyone that they didn't need it anyway. Thus the ipad, they could of spent time working on this "problem." Meanwhile more advance (and cheaper) devices are currently being made.
@ExileOC iPhone shipped in 2007. in 2011 you can say that "others were able to eventually do it," by which I'm assuming you mean that Adobe finally got around to delivering a somewhat workable 10.1 version of Flash for Android (and even it is not above complaint). Apple sold millions of iOS devices between 2007 and 2010. Was it supposed to wait around for chips powerful enough to run Adobe Flash? That's nonsense. Flash sucks and iOS is fine without it. It just means Flash devs have to new things
@danielerandilger - no the smart thing to do for apple would of been to support it, in whatever state it was in. Thus the blame falls entirely on adobe to get their act together + failing to meet apple half way.
You think flash sucks? News flash (no pun intended), right click on this video... see that... flash....
@ExileOC You don't seem to understand that there was nothing to "support." There was no Flash capable of running on ARM. Apple didn't need to "meet Adobe half way."
Also, the example you give of YouTube using Flash is an example of Apple working to build alternatives to the problem of Flash not working well for mobile devices. Apple convinced Google to add HTML5 support for iOS devices. Everyone is doing that now. It was much "smarter" to change the world rather than to dick around waiting.
@danielerandilger - there was plenty to support, flash was the standard of the web, you mean Apple, the innovators of this generation, couldn't figure something out? So why bail on flash? Retain control over app distribution and design with their App Store. Years later, their excuse... you don't need it. Well others can do it, its a selling point over apple, it is desired. And if flash is only now able to run on mobile devices, why doesn't apple patch up? It contradicts their previous stance.
Good Grief...A holy war causing Facebook Games not to play on the iPad???? Really, regardless of all the reasons various companies like Apple and Adobe want to control the market, there are LOTS of legacy applications and games that do not support HTML5. Because folks purchased an iPad or iPhone previously does not speak to the fact that these same users are now discovering this gap.
Someone please provide an easy way for the large library of flash specific videos and games to run on the Ipad
I bought the Ipad 2 when it came out. I didn't know it didn't have flash. As a result, I could not find any use for it. I sold it like a month after I bought it.
Jobs is just pissed that Flash is better than QuickTime. Anyway, nowadays, Jobs' complaint about one version of flash only being available on desktops is now irrelevant. Windows 8 runs on both tablets and desktops. It's a dual-system OS and can run flash in tablet mode. Many other tablets (except for the iPad) can run flash, too, and it does quite a bit more than Jobs let on.
My HTC Evo 4G uses full flash. I'd like an iPad 2 or 3..I know there's tons of hacks to get flash on iPad..Apple needs to open up and allow flash from the factory. What do they have to lose?
Doesn't the Skyfire app convert Flash to HTML5?? So, problem solved for videos right? Haven't tried it personally but let me know if you have. I also think the MouseOver problem can be resolved with the touch screen sensor simply sensing when your finger is over a certain area, they are already doing this.
really well done video, But personally the only thing that stops me from getting an i pad2 is the lack of flash support as there is still a lot of videos sites that I need access to that still use flash
This is unbelievable. Last week i got this link ipad2reward (dot) info from my friend. Normally i don't believe any of this shit. Just participate in some kind of iPad2 Test program and get iPad2 for free. The word "Free" doesn't really exist in this world. The day after i tried give my email their and joined the program. And you know what! A Brand New iPad2 is in my hand now. I can't really believe this. And you don't have to believe me. But 3 friends of mine even got that thing before me.
I LOVE my Ipad 2 =) Yesterday I received a free ipad 2 for testing I'm so happy.. didn't believe thats real when i saw the testing offer at ipad2reward (dot) info .. I contacted the owner he said they still got a few to give away 4freeee =)
It's just Jobs pride getting in the way of Flash being supported on mobile iDevices. Jobs only claims to support open standards when it's convenient not because he has this higher dedication to open standards.
What's the percentage of website that use Flash right now? What's the percentage of HTML 5 sites? If Jobs truly cared more about his customers than his pride he would support Flash and leave it to his customers to turn it on or off.
3:35 to 3:45 its really a lie according to your own data. How could Flash compete with Quicktime if it didn't have video capabilities until 2001?Quicktime was the main app for video. Microsoft had its own WMV to compete with QT. From 1994 to 1999 Macromedia flash had no competition, in 1999 Adobe pushed SVG to compete against flash which failed until they finally aquired Macromedia in 2005. Before that Adobe and Apple used to sleep in the same bed. Now looks more like a divorce battle.
Oh and how the hell is FORCING open standards and specifications give the consumer choice? You might think it is better fore the consumer but it has nothing to do with consumer choice and the choice is not only for consumers but for developers. Flash is incredibly much easier to develop for when it comes to certain types of applications. Apples choices regarding flash is good for apple and not really any one else. And I don't even think it's such a big deal.
@agtheking first of all let me start by saying it is giving the consumer a choice because another company like flash could come out due to open standards and hence a consumer will possibly have more choices because people could develop new options. Why would you be so ignorant and miss this and want to nit pick at this guy for promoting open standards, it seems as though you have something against open standards... open standards allow you to pick the company for your fukin video card.
@Rasta4LIF I love open standard but they do have to compete with private alternatives. "because another company like flash could come out due to open standards" What does that mean?
I'm saying that it's stupid to claim that they are giving consumers choice by taking it away. It might very well be good for the consumer but it's not consumer choice.
And closed standards(direct3d) has produced a better product giving consumers cheaper games(for example) with better graphics over opengl.
I reinstalled my PC a couple of weeks ago. Took be 30 minutes of surfing before I realized flash wasn't installed because I couldn't view a website that was based on it. For real surfing I don't think ipad can compete because of the lack of flash. If you only use the bigger sites then sure you won't have much of a problem any more.
@jscottupton i understand, but apples devices are well mad and offer a good UI and have easy to manage applications and is a very powerful tool if you have Root access to it ex jailbreaking
great review. and for those commentators who are looking to become an iPad 2 testers and put their hands on this awesome gadget before it's even out, simply go to the testers info site: freeipad2giveaway.info
My 17 years old son just received one not long ago and I couldn't believe my eyes.
I think jobs problem comes from how crap flash is on OSX. You can by the cheapest windows laptop (apart from netbooks) and flash plays fine with hardly an hit on the cpu. My macbook which has a decent 2Ghz dual core cpu goes into overdrive at the nearest hint of flash. VLC player on the mac can play 780p videos fine, so why can't flash?. The lack of flash surely means less crappy ads which is never a bad thing
It also needs a USB port, just one, so I can transfer pics to it from my camera instead of having to transfer them from my camera to my imac, then the ipad (if I had one).
Plus if they added a USB port you could plug in external hard-drives. At 64gigs I can't even fit 10% of my music/movies on it, there's no way in hell I'd pay $500+ when I can get a netbook that does much more for half the price and only slightly larger.
Not to be a fan boy but steve jobs had a very compelling argument about flash! I have had an iPhone since the 2nd one and after hearing that I don't want flash! As a matter of fact the way I see it is if a website doesn't go html5 then I'm not interested in seeing it, apple is amongst the most profitable companies in the world for a reason make your comments and be happy with the pennies you make, because apple is the largest wireless provider there is when it comes to customer satisfaction and
flash is a must. and its the reason i am waiting on the Iphone and ipads. . . no flash, no use.
also, to equate apple with open standards is misleading - no other system from quicktime to mac os, is more closed and controled then mac. This is shown in mac products having less compatability in terms of open source media products as well as games. So that is a poor argument m8.
The reason mac does not use flash is because it cannot control its use and market (profit from it)
flash is a must. and its the reason i am waiting on the Iphone and ipads. . . no flash, no use.
also, to equate apple with open standards is misleading - no other system from quicktime to mac os, is more closed and controled then mac. This is shown in mac products having less compatability in terms of open source media products as well as games. So that is a poor argument m8.
The reason mac does not use flash is because it cannot control its use and market (profit from it)
I disagree. All the arguments you bring up are rather technical, but you fail to look at reality. While it's true that watching YouTube won't be an issue, it is an issue on a lot of other sites and all the non-technical users will see is a video that doesn't play, period.
You are talking like a lawyer. You say that Flash wasnt designed to be touch UI. Well~ HTML 4 wasnt either. To improve on flash performance on iOS is to enable Flash. Adobe will not ignore iOS Flash. Also HTML 5 won't be in play for another decade. Why? IE is still the dominant browser and for very long time... They'll use IE7/8... Some still use 6.... So web developers are forced to use HTML 4 for very long time. Apparently your mind is living in a lala land.
Although HTML5 can produce the same compelling experience as Flash, the productivity and cost of development are much higher than Flash. Also, HTML5 cannot access the external hardware like webcam and microphone, and not likely capable of building a large volume video streaming and multi-user game room. I do use both Flash and HTML5, but the compatibility of different browsers is still a major concern.
By the way - Android is now the biggest operating system for mobile devices - why ? Because people wanted a full web experience - Apple has had their market share SMASHED because of this single issue. This is also highly apparent in the sales of tablets.
The company's history is irrelevant. Also, HTML5 is all but irrelevant now. Flash will be the multimedia standard on the web until everyone converts to HTML5, which won't be for a while. This is all well and good about flash being phased out, which I won't deny, but blocking flash on the OS is indeed limiting consumer choice, no matter how much more open HTML5 is. It's unfortunate to see that Apple is reverting to the same business model that almost put them out of business many years ago.
NEEDS FLASH!! my ass for everybody that this tablet dont need flash!! and 1 more thing SUPPORT HD MOVIE!! i have tried to run HD movie 720p and its laggy AS HELL!! you need to redesign it, you need flash because HTML5 is a JOKE!
the main reason Ipad doesnt support flash is because it CANT handle HD video..!!
@dikajenny It CAN handle 720p video, particularly H.264 formats.
Are you a flash developer? Because I am! I use flash much more than you do and Flash in the iPad is unnecessary.
If you have a 4 core processor, Flash can only utilize 1 core and it lags like sh*t cause it uses much too many resources!
Try to run the iTunes movie you mentioned earlier in the Movies.app and NOT VLC PLAYER. It's just a 3rd party application that is NOT developed by Apple.
@asianspark oh really? 720p that you download directly from the Ipad is different with blueray version.. If i can use Apple's video player to run it then i will not use 3rd party to play it.. because why?? because its MKV format.. u are the one that should think 1st before u write.. HTML5 is really unnecessary because every device can handle it it just like a new "language" for internet!! you're probably 1 of apple fan boy.. 85-90% web using flash IDIOT!!
Coming from someone who had an IPad I will say it needs flash you wouldn't buy a pc without it...remember the whole point is having all content available to you right on your lap...I bought the iPad before knowing it didn't have flash....what a waste of money.
@asianspark the reason Ipad doesnt support flash is because it cant handle HD video.. the format of HD movie that you download from Itunes is a Joke, I have tried to run it HD movie using VLC player from Ipad and it runs laggy as hell.. HTML5 is really stupid you need to open other application player to play/run video..
Ohh so Apple is actually freeing and not restricting the consumers by not including flash? How silly of me to think that flash was needed... come on man I don't know who you are working for but from a sheer consumer point of view I think its rediculous not to include flash in a device as big as the i-pad! Phones are a different story but with such a screen I want to have full web experience on the go and would like to decide for myself wether it is needed or not!
apple also said that multitasking was not needed on the iphone and was also a battery hog. Now we have multitasking and custom wallpapers thanks to ios 4.
EVERYONE LISTEN UP! YOU DON'T NEED INTEGRATED FLASH! THERE IS A WEB BROWSER APP THAT COMES WITH IT! ITS CALLED "CLOUDBROWSE" SEARCH IT IN THE APP STORE !!!!!!!!!! GOD @#^%! IT HAS FLASH! SO STOP SAYIGN SAFARI HAS TO HAVE FLASH!
Using action script 2 does not means it is inferior. Yes it is old, but let me make this analogy: iOS is written in Objective C, which is created by Steve Jobs over 20 years ago. In fact all apple products are written in Objective C, so I guess they all sucks then.
Flash is old that's why it will drain battery so fast from mobile devices I mean who wants a device that has 3-4 hrs because we want 75% of the full web, if I want to see the full web I can use my PC, if u can the full web on the go just get a fukin laptop with 3G its that simple, mobile touchscreen devices aren't meant to handle Flash period mayb in tue future when battery is more efficient
Hello he just explained that its not necessary for Apple devices to have flash since flash isn't a good idea on touchscreen devices since it's ok'd technology and needs a pointer mouse not touch screen optimized, flash is old news so 2005 and we need to move on into HTML5 by next year, YouTube already tooked that step, yeah YouTube ur the best that's why we can now watch HQ videos in seconds not minutes so it's battery saving
Quicktime 2.0 wasn't even free of charge "back then". But if we start with "FREE", we begin comparing QT2.5 (free) with FP2 in 1998. FYI, residential Internet connections used 56k modems at the time.
Get your facts right:
1) The FP2 plugin was only 190k to download (Quicktime 2.5 was 5.7mb)
2) FP2 did VECTOR animation (QT did not).
3) Macromedia made anim tools for both PC and Mac.
Fallacious? I think you're out of your mind... Flash 10.1 is on froyo. Google and adobe is working their butts off to bring desktop content onto mobile devices as desktop content are more encompassing. I used iphones, i hate it when i get those stupid blue boxes. Don't hate flash because you support iphone.
Make a simple HTML5 game in canvas that's half as good as a simple Flash game and I'll believe what you say.
Seriously, try it. You will laugh at how impossible it is to make anything complex and/or animated in Canvas. Canvas was not designed for what Steve Jobs wants you to use it for.
If Adobe made a decent flash player for the iPad that works as well as the Quicktime play back then it'd have it. That's why Apple didn't use it. It isn't because they hate Adobe or hate Flash, it's because Flash is so poorly written and unoptimised that it'd totally ruin the user experience on the device it's on. It's bad enough on the Mac (not much better on Windows either). My MBP battery drops a good hour or so when I play Flash on it. Stop and it shoots back up. Only Adobe can fix this.
Ipad Needs Flash to run the internet to its full scale, the internet works well, but some websites are missing information and videos due to the need of flash. But that's if you can get the internet, as you HAVE to use wireless, you can't plug in a Ethernet Cable!
I bought a Nexus One to replace my iPhone 3GS because of the developer agreement changes and Apple's stand on Flash. As Google's Vic Gundotra stated "It turns out on the Internet, people use Flash". There are large players that have stated they will not be switching from Flash, and without 100%, the iPhone and iPad will ultimately display less of the web than Android and the others. My main Flash "like" is for photographic displays which are almost always Flash and allow full screen views.
@ScottFBarnes As time goes on, less and less websites will use Flash. Many sites will require large amounts of time and money to be spent on them to redo them without Flash, so it'll likely be done when they get to their next redesign stage, but eventually Flash will become less and less relevant. This may take years, but it'll eventually happen.
incidentally, have you even seen redbullsoapbox racer dot com? That is a great example of how html 5/ canvas is 10 years behind where flash is right now, and flash shows no sign of stopping.
@mrrealtime HTML5 isn't supposed to outright REPLACE Flash. It's supposed to replace Flash for those things that aren't really needed to be done in Flash. A lot of websites used Flash for very VERY simple image transitions for example, when that can be easily done with jQuery and CSS. When Flash is used properly to its full potential it's brilliant, but 99% of the places it's used in it simply isn't used properly.
(I know I might be posting a lot, but you've pushed so much misinformation out there it requires a lot of rebuttal, and 1 paragraph at a time just isnt enough to respond to all the misinformation in this video)
When adobe characterizes HTML 5 as "not ready for another 10 years" [sic], the intent isnt to wrongfully denigrate html 5, Adobe already makes the #1 professional html tool on the market: Dreamweaver. What it means is, given the vast complexity of the flash platform, developer base, and capabilities, there is a massive gulf between what you can do with HTML / Canvas/Webkit and the flash platform, and by the time other technologies catch up, flash that much further ahead.
I ran a flash website on the iPad using cloudbrowse, and even with all that overhead, flash worked very well. It proved that if Apple gave hardware access to flash, flash would kick Canvas/Webkit's ass in terms of performance just like it does on the PC.
@mrrealtime Apple WANT Flash to use hardware acceleration. That was one of their main gripes with Adobe, they simply refused to do it. All the GUI elements in iOS are handled by the GPU, which is why it runs so smoothly and you get good battery life. Apple suggested that Adobe take this same approach with Flash but Adobe said no. Flash runs almost entirely on the CPU which is why it's such a resource hog and kills battery life. Only Adobe can fix this, nobody else.
Im not entirely sure what you gain by putting down flash and spreading misinformation about it, and I certainly have nothing against the iPad. Its a great device. Not having flash is Apple's choice and the market will decide whether that matters or not. That said, HTML 5 is not a direct competitor to flash - they can actually work together, flash can be programmed to work with multitouch, and Canvas is not as open as Adobe SVG, which is a truly DOM exposed vector tag set.
Canvas/WebKit is based on Objective C, a 1980's language that is largely outdated but still heavily relied on by apple. Again, once mobile processors can handle it, flash will explode on all mobile devices. If the iPad maintains its anti flash stance, it will simply fade. Flash technology is truly open. Webkit/Apple is not open source, it is intellectual property of Apple. HTML 5 is not either, but it supports both. H.264 is also Apple property.
@mrrealtime WebKit is not base on Obj-C. WebCore is C++, and WebKit is an Obj-C abstraction that also supports C++. Canvas uses JavaScript, just like Flash (well, Adobe's proprietary version of JavaScript). You are very uninformed and ignorant, so you needn't post more of your ideas.
@mrrealtime WebKit is not based on Obj-C. WebCore is C++, and WebKit is an Obj-C abstraction that also supports C++. Canvas uses JavaScript, just like Flash (well, Adobe's proprietary version of JavaScript). You are very uninformed and ignorant, so you needn't post more of your ideas.
@RoughlyDraftedVideo Actually Actionscript is the leader among ECMA scripting languages like javascript and C#. And sure, lots of actionscript is inspired by Javascript, thats called evolution. It is an "improvement" rather than sticking with the past. HTML 5 canvas is a big step backward in terms of capability and technology. Steve Jobs has it all wrong. SWF is actually more open than Webkit, and you can make flash content for any platform without fear of licensing issues in the future.
@mrrealtime WebKit is open source under a BSD license and is implemented by lots of companies. SWF is a documented filetype that is completely owned (propriety to) Adobe . Comparing the two is absurdly moronic, just like the rest of your posts.
@RoughlyDraftedVideo You're right, webkit is open source. My characterization of it is incorrect and I apologize for that. That said, it is incorrect to characterize swf as a closed, proprietary format, when it is, in fact, open in the practical sense. Any company can make an swf generating product without restriction. H.264 is similar but does have more limits and threats of litigation (see h.264 vs On6/mozilla) that Adobe has not attempted (yet)
@mrrealtime It looks more and more likely that HTML5 will support H.264 as well as On6 and so on. Some browsers already support more than one media codec for this reason. I believe Chrome is one of them. Right now though H.264 is clearly the superior (from a technical standpoint) choice, it uses less bandwidth and provides a much better quality stream than other options for the bandwidth it uses. Until something can compete or beat this that's totally open source then this looks to stick.
@P4INKiller How is Apple creating a monopoly by supporting and pushing a FULL OPEN STANDARD that's controlled by OPEN STANDARDS bodies? Surely it's Adobe with the monopoly here? Flash is owned by Adobe. Nobody BUT Adobe is legally allowed to change anything about Flash and the way it works. It's controlled by ONE company rather than many. THAT is a monopoly. Apple want HTML5 to win so EVERYONE can access the same content on any device that supports it without needing to licence anything.
@mrrealtime C is even older, but it's still the primary language used for application development. Just because something is old doesn't mean it's bad. Objective-C along with other versions of C and other languages don't just stay still after they appear. How many versions of Action Script have their been? Using your argument it'd seem like it hasn't improved or changed since 1998, which as you know is NOT true. Same goes for Obj-C.
@RainSavage um, yes, it remains closed to the flash platform strictly for business reasons and at the expense of millions of consumers and developers, making up ridiculous excuses that try to blame flash, when really its the buggy rushed software that the iOS is made up of that is to blame. Fortunately they have all the shiny parts working so most consumers don't see the bugs.
h.264 is not "free and open" . ON2 VP6 is, and firefox has refused to support h.264 because it is closed, and proprietary, owned largely by Apple and Microsoft, and subject to fees. On2 VP6/8 is not subject to fees and is completely open.
Flash WILL be important on mobile devices when they become capable of handling the technology. Canvas/webkit/objective C is at least 10 years behind the capabilities of the flash platform, and will likely never catch up to flash
@mrrealtime H.264 is not "largely owned by Apple and Microsoft." Those two companies added very little to the ISO MPEG patent pool for H.264. VP6 simply takes H.264 tech without paying for it, and will soon require licensing because that's not going to last long.
Your comments that Canvas, WebKit and Obj C are "at least ten years" behind Flash are equally hilarious and ridiculous.
@RoughlyDraftedVideo Objective C appeared in 1986. Actionscript first appeared in 1998. A quick google search will reveal that. The only thing that prevents flash from exploding on mobile devices is the processing power currently available. When that changes, flash will dominate as it does currently on the desktop PC for UI, rich internet application development, and gaming. You might not be familiar with the "rich internet application" but suffice it to say, its the future, not web-pages.
Your characterization of HTML 5 is incorrect. HTML 5 does not do anything flash does, a canvas tag <canvas> is all it supports. Apple Webkit/javascript/Objective C(unchanged since the 1980's) is required to replicate some of the features of flash, but they do not even come close to replicating the complexity of the flash platform even in the most ambitious specifications that are only theoretically proposed and have no target date for deployment according to the W3.
@mrrealtime No you are wrong. HTML5 is not a proprietary plugin like Flash, nor is it designed to be "like Flash," but it does do the same things Flash is currently used for: embedding audio and video, adding dynamic interactivity and animation into web pages. It just does it within the browser using open specifications anyone can implement, rather than a closed, insecure and poorly performing anti-html environment implemented as a proprietary plugin. You are full of ignorant FUD.
@RoughlyDraftedVideo Actually, it is apparently you who are ignorant. Flash provides a mechanism to display Vector graphics and animate them with script. The only way to do this in HTML 5 is to make use of the Canvas element, which is the only tag exposed to the Document Object Model or "DOM". This is proprietary javascript code based on WebKit, an Apple product they have retained intellectual property rights over. SVG is, in fact, the only similar technology fully exposed to the DOM.
@mrrealtime Apple created canvas, and then made it an open source free-to-use-and-implement element of HTML5, just like they created WebKit and made that open source so anybody who wishes to use it, can, without needing to licence it.
@RoughlyDraftedVideo Um, I never said HTML 5 was a plugin, or suggested it was designed to be "like flash". Quite the opposite. HTML 5 is not flash at all, in fact, it works well with flash as do all previous versions of html. Webkit and H.264 are controlled by Apple and Co. and are not as "open" as the .swf format, and not exposed to the DOM like SVG is. The only competitor with Adobe is Apple, not the W3 or ECMA open standards.
@mrrealtime No, you suggested that HTML5 is trying to compete against Flash. It's not. Flash is trying to find a reason to exist now that HTML doesn't need a plugin patch just to display video or show dynamic content.
HTML was also not seeking to replace AOL and MSN in the mid 90s, but it did, just like today's HTML will obsolesce Flash. Deal with it Flash developer
What it really comes down to is that mobile devices simply cant handle the processor requirements of flash, or any other advanced visual rendering software yet. So, saying they support flash or not is moot, because none can right now anyway. Mobile devices (including the iPad) are currently where desktop pcs were about 5 years ago in terms of capabilities.
ROFL @ all the debate over whether flash is good or not... Mac evangelists are ridiculous. The question is not if flash is good or not, the real question is, are ipad, ipod, iphone users allowed to use other web plugins? What if tomorrow the new thing is bangaloo plugin? How about java? Java plugins? How about the customer using the plugin they "want" on the system they purchased?
I believe the fact that iDevices supporting open standards like HTML5, Javascript, and CSS will lessen the need for web plugins like Flash and Silverlight that can limit the web experience for users. Like RDV said, Flash is a trap, but its more like a dead-end and you lose all your choices in the future. Besides, Apple isn't preventing you or anyone from buying a non-Apple mobile device to run their favorite web plugins, are they?
@Coraxuss You'd be hard-pressed to find a modern device that doesn't support Javascript/CSS. In what way is Flash limiting the experience, except for the people who willingly buy devices that doesn't support it?
I really believe in html5 and want it to succeed, because i feel that is is much lighter and more integrated into the web than flash. For example, try changing the volume in a regular flash youtube video, then immediately trying to scroll down the page. It won't work. You have to click outside of the flash content and THEN you can scroll. It's not part of the page! I tried this with an html5 youtube video, and I didn't have to click out of the content to control what was around the content.
Flash -is- very useful for mobile devices... Android 2.2 will have proper support. I have run into -many- occasions on my iPhone where I had to -stop- my web browsing experience when I hit a flash page. I have no need for an iPad and it can't be my choice for web browsing. I dismissed it expecting it to come my iPhone, obviously Steve is an jerk and making false statements of openness and against middleware. Apple has always been restrictive, that's there defining historical feature.
I lot of people say the ipad is a toy, but I beg to differ. Since I had the pad, I have downloaded my text book, create my homework in iworks and send them to my instructors, yes using my iPad. I have not touch my laptop in two weeks. I think what it boils down to, if you just want to play games, then the ipad is just a toy, but you use it for school purposes, it takes on a whole different meaning
Apple forces me to install Quicktime today when I buy an iPod. No other way to get get "your entire music collection in your pocket". They dont dare tie iPods to MacOS, even now, although they would love to! Anyway by what definition is Quicktime or h264 more "open" in comparison to Flash? If Apple supports Theora and HTML5 for the sake of "openness" you may start to have a point. Microsoft, Apple, Adobe they all try to bind the world into their business by riding on their ONE succesful product.
@javajumpy Apple "forces" you to install QuickTime because it's used by iTunes for handling media. There is no real comparison between QT and Flash unless you're thinking that it's 1996 and you need the QT plugin to play media in your web browser, and Microsoft has disabled it from working properly in IE.
Theora and Flash are garbage. There's a difference between technical superiority that uses patented technology (H264), and bad technology that competes with open standards (Flash).
1. Quicktime and iTunes is arguably the buggiest and resource hungry piece of plugin/software on a PC. That is why we use "alternatives" in our PC world.
2. All my browsers.. firefox, opera, chrome have a tough time playing quicktime video.. you can see the memory usage and processor usage shoot up. Comparatively, flash on youtube, hulu etc. works like clockwork.
4. Safari.. the"world's best browser" in your mac-bubble is PATHETIC compared to Firefox, Opera etc.
+1 to all the three points...I've had more crashes with quickttime plugin than flash. I've a mac and I use iTunes only for synching music to my iPod. For all my media playing, I use VLC, and safari is so inferior compared to firefox.
ontopic: the major promise of iPad is "complete web experience" right now not in future not after some time when HTML5 is being adapted by every website. So till that time, it can't deliver full web experience unless it supports the "present" flash
@RoughlyDraftedVideo Well theora does lack polish. I think if Apple really wanted to support something open they would support webm not h.264. God. H.264 while being a good technology is too proprietary. If the web were to adopt h.264 and switch from flash it would be nightmare Firefox and Opera users would be left without video streaming. Also keep in mind Apple only allows html5 video in H.264 which Apple just happens to make money html5 is the future but flash is now.
Well I guess apple made fools out of all these people. My iPad and iPhone do everything I want and more! Easy Money in the bank is the proof.
Laidoutbug 1 month ago
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wermasnastu 2 months ago
Also HTML5 does not have advanced animation tools like shape-tweening.
fkeopfkeop 3 months ago
I agree that HTML5 is better because its open, but there is't any good tools for creating animations in HTML5 and similar technologies. Thats why HTML5 isn't succseeding. As long as there are no tools for non-programmers to use, apple should support viewing flash on their devices atleast outside the webbrowser as an app.
HTML5 does not save CPU in streaming videos VS flash (search for "Flash, HTML5 comparison finds neither has performance advantage" on apple insider).
fkeopfkeop 3 months ago
@fkeopfkeop HTML5 isn't a proprietary vendor platform, it's an open specification. So no, it's not functionally equivalent to Flash, nor is it aiming to be. Its point was to facilitate open web servers, tools and clients that don't need a plugin like Flash or Silverlight (why Apple & Google supported it and Adobe & Microsoft resisted it until they had no chance of winning).
The article you cite is based on bad information. Any tech Adobe can deliver for Flash it can also for HTML5.
thehighconcept 4 weeks ago
@thehighconcept You’re contradicting yourself and your very ignorant, did you even read the article I cited? It was not about tech, but preformance. I have yet to see vector manipulation like shape tween in HTML5/CSS3/JS/Canvas/SVG, can you show an animation in in HTML5 doing this?
fkeopfkeop 3 weeks ago
Well here is the thing, html5 has a lot to offer, but still at it starting stage. Flash also has a lot to offer, but has been their for a while and their is a lot more videos, games, etc in flash then html5
Fristerce 3 months ago
So let me understand...by NOT adopting the single most popular standard enhances choice? Do they pay you to drink Apple''s Kool-Aid?
aw1133t 4 months ago
@aw1133t Yes, resisting bad but well entrenched standards is a choice.
It's how Eastern Europe got rid of Communism and how Macs took back market share from Windows. You can't have options if you can't choose anything but the monopoly and some phony choices erected by the monopolist.
thehighconcept 4 weeks ago
Go try flash on Android now specially on sgs2 ..it runs like if it was on pc .
azel6 5 months ago
@azel6 Wow, two years later. Then Google ships Android 4.0 ICS and Adobe doesn't have a version of Flash available for it. That's what you want? The web in the hands of one incompetent vendor that can't be replaced because it has established a monopoly on a critical infrastructure link?
thehighconcept 4 weeks ago
Flash games must be so funny on the ishitpad.
deadmeh 5 months ago
Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, calling SHENANIGANS on this. As a professional designer/developer ... you can't just ignore something.... which is exactly what apple did. Adobe tried to meet apple half way with flash lite. But yet, apple decided that their products don't need flash, so obviously you don't since they know what is better for you.
But most importantly >> it is narrowing the ways for designers to express themselves on the web.
ExileOC 5 months ago
@ExileOC No, Adobe did not have a version of Flash capable of a) running on mobile devices well and b) capable of running desktop PC browser Flash content. It continued to be unable to deliver this until late 2010, when it started release its first betas for Android. That was THREE YEARS TOO LATE for iPhone. Good thing Apple didn't wait around. "Flash Lite" was a completely different platform that leverages the Flash brand name. It is not compatible with Flash content users might want to view.
danielerandilger 5 months ago
@danielerandilger - No they support jQuery and that's it. What apple is doing is hamstringing interactive media by being 1st out the gate... and stubborn. And as you can see in the iPhone development, they opted out of involving features like flash when others were able to eventually do it, they just decide to tell everyone that they didn't need it anyway. Thus the ipad, they could of spent time working on this "problem." Meanwhile more advance (and cheaper) devices are currently being made.
ExileOC 5 months ago
@ExileOC iPhone shipped in 2007. in 2011 you can say that "others were able to eventually do it," by which I'm assuming you mean that Adobe finally got around to delivering a somewhat workable 10.1 version of Flash for Android (and even it is not above complaint). Apple sold millions of iOS devices between 2007 and 2010. Was it supposed to wait around for chips powerful enough to run Adobe Flash? That's nonsense. Flash sucks and iOS is fine without it. It just means Flash devs have to new things
danielerandilger 5 months ago
@danielerandilger - no the smart thing to do for apple would of been to support it, in whatever state it was in. Thus the blame falls entirely on adobe to get their act together + failing to meet apple half way.
You think flash sucks? News flash (no pun intended), right click on this video... see that... flash....
ExileOC 5 months ago
@ExileOC You don't seem to understand that there was nothing to "support." There was no Flash capable of running on ARM. Apple didn't need to "meet Adobe half way."
Also, the example you give of YouTube using Flash is an example of Apple working to build alternatives to the problem of Flash not working well for mobile devices. Apple convinced Google to add HTML5 support for iOS devices. Everyone is doing that now. It was much "smarter" to change the world rather than to dick around waiting.
danielerandilger 5 months ago
@danielerandilger - there was plenty to support, flash was the standard of the web, you mean Apple, the innovators of this generation, couldn't figure something out? So why bail on flash? Retain control over app distribution and design with their App Store. Years later, their excuse... you don't need it. Well others can do it, its a selling point over apple, it is desired. And if flash is only now able to run on mobile devices, why doesn't apple patch up? It contradicts their previous stance.
ExileOC 5 months ago
Im not buying an ipad simply because of its lack of flash support.
treysparker 6 months ago
Good Grief...A holy war causing Facebook Games not to play on the iPad???? Really, regardless of all the reasons various companies like Apple and Adobe want to control the market, there are LOTS of legacy applications and games that do not support HTML5. Because folks purchased an iPad or iPhone previously does not speak to the fact that these same users are now discovering this gap.
Someone please provide an easy way for the large library of flash specific videos and games to run on the Ipad
johnflaxman 6 months ago
I bought the Ipad 2 when it came out. I didn't know it didn't have flash. As a result, I could not find any use for it. I sold it like a month after I bought it.
getemhi 6 months ago
Jobs is just pissed that Flash is better than QuickTime. Anyway, nowadays, Jobs' complaint about one version of flash only being available on desktops is now irrelevant. Windows 8 runs on both tablets and desktops. It's a dual-system OS and can run flash in tablet mode. Many other tablets (except for the iPad) can run flash, too, and it does quite a bit more than Jobs let on.
ucanttuchdis5678 6 months ago
Look at the iSheep bleating to his shepherd. "Steve says I don't need Flash, so I don't."
dertdamb 7 months ago 3
My HTC Evo 4G uses full flash. I'd like an iPad 2 or 3..I know there's tons of hacks to get flash on iPad..Apple needs to open up and allow flash from the factory. What do they have to lose?
SearchAndBuild 7 months ago
Really articulate explanation clears alot up cheers
magiclion 7 months ago
Fair but I still think we should have the option to enable or disable Flash.
autogear 7 months ago
You are King on this Topic. Very detailed oriented! Thanks for putting it in words.
AZERILA24 7 months ago 3
You are King!
AZERILA24 7 months ago
When html5 comes out flash will be obsolete anyhow.
Washu1973 8 months ago
Doesn't the Skyfire app convert Flash to HTML5?? So, problem solved for videos right? Haven't tried it personally but let me know if you have. I also think the MouseOver problem can be resolved with the touch screen sensor simply sensing when your finger is over a certain area, they are already doing this.
RawPowda 8 months ago
really well done video, But personally the only thing that stops me from getting an i pad2 is the lack of flash support as there is still a lot of videos sites that I need access to that still use flash
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finickyweapon241258 9 months ago
you're smoking something... Flash has been out. longer than this article on the mobile platforms.
p3rrypm 9 months ago
I disagree with almost every point this guy makes.
wakeupfist 10 months ago
the new nook color will have a full flash update in april
watchvidss 10 months ago
Steve jobs is thinking outside the box
Heraldiii 10 months ago
It's just Jobs pride getting in the way of Flash being supported on mobile iDevices. Jobs only claims to support open standards when it's convenient not because he has this higher dedication to open standards.
What's the percentage of website that use Flash right now? What's the percentage of HTML 5 sites? If Jobs truly cared more about his customers than his pride he would support Flash and leave it to his customers to turn it on or off.
Please, he's a hypocrite.
theexmann 10 months ago
3:35 to 3:45 its really a lie according to your own data. How could Flash compete with Quicktime if it didn't have video capabilities until 2001?Quicktime was the main app for video. Microsoft had its own WMV to compete with QT. From 1994 to 1999 Macromedia flash had no competition, in 1999 Adobe pushed SVG to compete against flash which failed until they finally aquired Macromedia in 2005. Before that Adobe and Apple used to sleep in the same bed. Now looks more like a divorce battle.
BadIdeaBearCub 10 months ago
LOL another web hero pining for flash... write a petition to Apple for your Flash wishes...
ThexBorg 10 months ago
Employer: I think we forgot to put something on the ipad 2...
Steve Jobs: Nah, thing is perfect!
Employer: Well, i believe you..
The day after the release!
Employer: Sir, we forgot flash!
Steve Jobs: .... oh not again!
Snaavelstopic 10 months ago
Oh and how the hell is FORCING open standards and specifications give the consumer choice? You might think it is better fore the consumer but it has nothing to do with consumer choice and the choice is not only for consumers but for developers. Flash is incredibly much easier to develop for when it comes to certain types of applications. Apples choices regarding flash is good for apple and not really any one else. And I don't even think it's such a big deal.
agtheking 10 months ago
@agtheking first of all let me start by saying it is giving the consumer a choice because another company like flash could come out due to open standards and hence a consumer will possibly have more choices because people could develop new options. Why would you be so ignorant and miss this and want to nit pick at this guy for promoting open standards, it seems as though you have something against open standards... open standards allow you to pick the company for your fukin video card.
Rasta4LIF 10 months ago
@Rasta4LIF I love open standard but they do have to compete with private alternatives. "because another company like flash could come out due to open standards" What does that mean?
I'm saying that it's stupid to claim that they are giving consumers choice by taking it away. It might very well be good for the consumer but it's not consumer choice.
And closed standards(direct3d) has produced a better product giving consumers cheaper games(for example) with better graphics over opengl.
agtheking 10 months ago
I reinstalled my PC a couple of weeks ago. Took be 30 minutes of surfing before I realized flash wasn't installed because I couldn't view a website that was based on it. For real surfing I don't think ipad can compete because of the lack of flash. If you only use the bigger sites then sure you won't have much of a problem any more.
agtheking 10 months ago
And I don't need an ipad. For the same money I can buy three Netbooks on ebay.
jscottupton 10 months ago
@jscottupton i understand, but apples devices are well mad and offer a good UI and have easy to manage applications and is a very powerful tool if you have Root access to it ex jailbreaking
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realestate2111 10 months ago
I think jobs problem comes from how crap flash is on OSX. You can by the cheapest windows laptop (apart from netbooks) and flash plays fine with hardly an hit on the cpu. My macbook which has a decent 2Ghz dual core cpu goes into overdrive at the nearest hint of flash. VLC player on the mac can play 780p videos fine, so why can't flash?. The lack of flash surely means less crappy ads which is never a bad thing
angrywhenroused 10 months ago
And the iPad2 can still not do CSS2 (1998) position: fixed correctly.
pyalot 10 months ago
jailbreak it then go on cydia and get flash there
michael9594 10 months ago
Is flash adobe flash player or a flash on the camera?
tet9301 10 months ago 2
Read Steve Jobs entry on Apple about Flash. You will realise why it's not on devices.
Toedoog 10 months ago
Yes we know that MAC isent Personal Computer.
Flash is must, no flash no use. You apple users fail. buy the same thing every other year whit a small new thing..... smart as hell..
Andrrtaker 10 months ago
wow, very informative... thanks...
sujeevgomi 11 months ago
@MonteChristoAU So in other words it's not ok for Microsoft to be restricting, but it's perfectly fine for Apple to :P
willmck12 11 months ago
It also needs a USB port, just one, so I can transfer pics to it from my camera instead of having to transfer them from my camera to my imac, then the ipad (if I had one).
Plus if they added a USB port you could plug in external hard-drives. At 64gigs I can't even fit 10% of my music/movies on it, there's no way in hell I'd pay $500+ when I can get a netbook that does much more for half the price and only slightly larger.
willmck12 11 months ago
Not to be a fan boy but steve jobs had a very compelling argument about flash! I have had an iPhone since the 2nd one and after hearing that I don't want flash! As a matter of fact the way I see it is if a website doesn't go html5 then I'm not interested in seeing it, apple is amongst the most profitable companies in the world for a reason make your comments and be happy with the pennies you make, because apple is the largest wireless provider there is when it comes to customer satisfaction and
Shiverman45 11 months ago
flash is a must. and its the reason i am waiting on the Iphone and ipads. . . no flash, no use.
also, to equate apple with open standards is misleading - no other system from quicktime to mac os, is more closed and controled then mac. This is shown in mac products having less compatability in terms of open source media products as well as games. So that is a poor argument m8.
The reason mac does not use flash is because it cannot control its use and market (profit from it)
existentialvoid 11 months ago 2
flash is a must. and its the reason i am waiting on the Iphone and ipads. . . no flash, no use.
also, to equate apple with open standards is misleading - no other system from quicktime to mac os, is more closed and controled then mac. This is shown in mac products having less compatability in terms of open source media products as well as games. So that is a poor argument m8.
The reason mac does not use flash is because it cannot control its use and market (profit from it)
existentialvoid 11 months ago
flash is a must. and its the reason i am waiting on the Iphone and ipads. . . no flash, no use.
existentialvoid 11 months ago
"Ten Myths of Apple's iPad: 2. It needs Flash"
I disagree. All the arguments you bring up are rather technical, but you fail to look at reality. While it's true that watching YouTube won't be an issue, it is an issue on a lot of other sites and all the non-technical users will see is a video that doesn't play, period.
jomnz 11 months ago
You are talking like a lawyer. You say that Flash wasnt designed to be touch UI. Well~ HTML 4 wasnt either. To improve on flash performance on iOS is to enable Flash. Adobe will not ignore iOS Flash. Also HTML 5 won't be in play for another decade. Why? IE is still the dominant browser and for very long time... They'll use IE7/8... Some still use 6.... So web developers are forced to use HTML 4 for very long time. Apparently your mind is living in a lala land.
sealone777 11 months ago
It NEEDS flash if HTML5 is not used in most sites for games and video. Otherwise, the internet isn't worth much.
zabimaru1000 11 months ago
not having flash is a dealbreaker for me
lancsFrogger 11 months ago 2
Although HTML5 can produce the same compelling experience as Flash, the productivity and cost of development are much higher than Flash. Also, HTML5 cannot access the external hardware like webcam and microphone, and not likely capable of building a large volume video streaming and multi-user game room. I do use both Flash and HTML5, but the compatibility of different browsers is still a major concern.
devalmighty 11 months ago
By the way - Android is now the biggest operating system for mobile devices - why ? Because people wanted a full web experience - Apple has had their market share SMASHED because of this single issue. This is also highly apparent in the sales of tablets.
audas 11 months ago
Pretty much every new mobile has flash - full flash - along with every tablet on the market - so the ONLY thing which does not have flash is Apple.
Absolute losers.
audas 11 months ago
The company's history is irrelevant. Also, HTML5 is all but irrelevant now. Flash will be the multimedia standard on the web until everyone converts to HTML5, which won't be for a while. This is all well and good about flash being phased out, which I won't deny, but blocking flash on the OS is indeed limiting consumer choice, no matter how much more open HTML5 is. It's unfortunate to see that Apple is reverting to the same business model that almost put them out of business many years ago.
menschmaschine5 11 months ago
@UserFriendlyStudios HOW DO YOU USE IT! I hate flash, 1 youtube video and my fans on high. HOW DO I WATCH YOUTUBE IN HTML 5?
waytomuchsparetime 11 months ago
Excellent, someone with a sense of logic and reason; a great educational video. I tip my hat to you, sir.
fpsBeaTt 1 year ago
APPLE is just being an arrogant bully.
DJTEVAdotCOM 1 year ago
flash is total bull
v4lkyr 1 year ago
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benniboi60 1 year ago
you are one boring fucker
0151pri88 1 year ago
@0151pri88 why say that?
doisneau 1 year ago
@0151pri88 did you make a video?
doisneau 1 year ago
i know a secret... the new ipad is coming on february and it will have a camera :)
LoveHateFashion 1 year ago
doesnt need flash...flash slows shit down!
EdMagician 1 year ago
NEEDS FLASH!! my ass for everybody that this tablet dont need flash!! and 1 more thing SUPPORT HD MOVIE!! i have tried to run HD movie 720p and its laggy AS HELL!! you need to redesign it, you need flash because HTML5 is a JOKE!
the main reason Ipad doesnt support flash is because it CANT handle HD video..!!
dikajenny 1 year ago
@dikajenny It CAN handle 720p video, particularly H.264 formats.
Are you a flash developer? Because I am! I use flash much more than you do and Flash in the iPad is unnecessary.
If you have a 4 core processor, Flash can only utilize 1 core and it lags like sh*t cause it uses much too many resources!
Try to run the iTunes movie you mentioned earlier in the Movies.app and NOT VLC PLAYER. It's just a 3rd party application that is NOT developed by Apple.
asianspark 1 year ago
@dikajenny HTML5 is becoming a WEB STANDARD and YOU are a JOKE.
If you compare HTML5 and Flash, and yet say Flash wins, you are a BIG IDIOT.
Even that I'm developing with Flash, I use HTML5 too.
Try to RESEARCH and THINK before you write.
asianspark 1 year ago
@asianspark oh really? 720p that you download directly from the Ipad is different with blueray version.. If i can use Apple's video player to run it then i will not use 3rd party to play it.. because why?? because its MKV format.. u are the one that should think 1st before u write.. HTML5 is really unnecessary because every device can handle it it just like a new "language" for internet!! you're probably 1 of apple fan boy.. 85-90% web using flash IDIOT!!
dikajenny 1 year ago
ipad needs a complete redesign. it needs flash
a usb port
a proper os
a cd drive would be nice
front/rear facing camera
memory car slots
basically it needs to be more like a computer. its just a fat ipod touch
menor95 1 year ago
@menor95 If you want an iPad to look like a computer, just go buy a Macbook or a PC. Nuff' said.
asianspark 1 year ago
@menor95 they will not have usb ports because the tremendous ammount of people that would share music and not buy it. but yes cd drive would be sexy
thedickbutt101 1 year ago
Coming from someone who had an IPad I will say it needs flash you wouldn't buy a pc without it...remember the whole point is having all content available to you right on your lap...I bought the iPad before knowing it didn't have flash....what a waste of money.
romes2dam 1 year ago
@romes2dam If that is the case, you can just give me the iPad and I can live without Flash on the iPad.
You can now go get an Android, load a flash-based website and experience the resource hog.
Or, you can get a crappy,laggy NETBOOK and be happy.
asianspark 1 year ago
@romes2dam Flash is designed initially for PCs with mouses. Not iOS Devices with awesome-multi-touch screens.
Even if Flash works, what about onMouseOver events in Flash? There's no MOUSE in multitouch devices.
asianspark 1 year ago
@asianspark the reason Ipad doesnt support flash is because it cant handle HD video.. the format of HD movie that you download from Itunes is a Joke, I have tried to run it HD movie using VLC player from Ipad and it runs laggy as hell.. HTML5 is really stupid you need to open other application player to play/run video..
dikajenny 1 year ago
@dikajenny It doesnt OPEN other applications to play the movie in Safari. It plays right from Safari and it's a PLUGIN.
If you clicked a video and it opens an application, that's called a YOUTUBE video and not a HTML5 VIDEO, RESEARCH BEFORE YOU TALK.
asianspark 1 year ago
Ohh so Apple is actually freeing and not restricting the consumers by not including flash? How silly of me to think that flash was needed... come on man I don't know who you are working for but from a sheer consumer point of view I think its rediculous not to include flash in a device as big as the i-pad! Phones are a different story but with such a screen I want to have full web experience on the go and would like to decide for myself wether it is needed or not!
23KarlKoch23 1 year ago
If you thinking the iPad needs flash you are wrong! The iPad doesnt need flash!
marktunzi 1 year ago
No it doesn't need flash
nintendonick 1 year ago 21
@nintendonick Flash doesn't need such a restricted and poorly designed technology that shits on developers and customers.
deadmeh 5 months ago
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jamesromuald 1 year ago
apple also said that multitasking was not needed on the iphone and was also a battery hog. Now we have multitasking and custom wallpapers thanks to ios 4.
TheYou444 1 year ago
I think the ipad 2 should have a string, like the wiimote, that goes on your wrist instead of gay cases, or iballz
Stinkeyfeet678 1 year ago
EVERYONE LISTEN UP! YOU DON'T NEED INTEGRATED FLASH! THERE IS A WEB BROWSER APP THAT COMES WITH IT! ITS CALLED "CLOUDBROWSE" SEARCH IT IN THE APP STORE !!!!!!!!!! GOD @#^%! IT HAS FLASH! SO STOP SAYIGN SAFARI HAS TO HAVE FLASH!
ipodkid4g 1 year ago
wow... keeping sucking apple's dick and buying over-priced, underpowered technology. seriously, you're such a mac user
limosince2007 1 year ago
Using action script 2 does not means it is inferior. Yes it is old, but let me make this analogy: iOS is written in Objective C, which is created by Steve Jobs over 20 years ago. In fact all apple products are written in Objective C, so I guess they all sucks then.
lightblade007 1 year ago
What's with your face?
bierbuik 1 year ago
its funny how they removed flash from the first ipad, because it slowed it down. haha
Dune1884 1 year ago
Flash is old that's why it will drain battery so fast from mobile devices I mean who wants a device that has 3-4 hrs because we want 75% of the full web, if I want to see the full web I can use my PC, if u can the full web on the go just get a fukin laptop with 3G its that simple, mobile touchscreen devices aren't meant to handle Flash period mayb in tue future when battery is more efficient
kazper333 1 year ago
Hello he just explained that its not necessary for Apple devices to have flash since flash isn't a good idea on touchscreen devices since it's ok'd technology and needs a pointer mouse not touch screen optimized, flash is old news so 2005 and we need to move on into HTML5 by next year, YouTube already tooked that step, yeah YouTube ur the best that's why we can now watch HQ videos in seconds not minutes so it's battery saving
kazper333 1 year ago
oh yes! ipad 2 needs flash very hard!
julianixtheking 1 year ago
Apple, OPEN? lol.
Quicktime 2.0 wasn't even free of charge "back then". But if we start with "FREE", we begin comparing QT2.5 (free) with FP2 in 1998. FYI, residential Internet connections used 56k modems at the time.
Get your facts right:
1) The FP2 plugin was only 190k to download (Quicktime 2.5 was 5.7mb)
2) FP2 did VECTOR animation (QT did not).
3) Macromedia made anim tools for both PC and Mac.
and more, but I have to keep this short.
FP2 to 5 NEVER did video playback so, stfu.
fuego96 1 year ago
Fallacious? I think you're out of your mind... Flash 10.1 is on froyo. Google and adobe is working their butts off to bring desktop content onto mobile devices as desktop content are more encompassing. I used iphones, i hate it when i get those stupid blue boxes. Don't hate flash because you support iphone.
Youpartyte 1 year ago
what about hulu!!!
Iamdanielg 1 year ago
@RoughlyDraftedVideo
Make a simple HTML5 game in canvas that's half as good as a simple Flash game and I'll believe what you say.
Seriously, try it. You will laugh at how impossible it is to make anything complex and/or animated in Canvas. Canvas was not designed for what Steve Jobs wants you to use it for.
TheRealUncleNinja 1 year ago
Watching this on an iPad. Try it and you will understand why this needs flash. Having to open a new app just to watch an embedded video is no fun
the7awakening 1 year ago
If Adobe made a decent flash player for the iPad that works as well as the Quicktime play back then it'd have it. That's why Apple didn't use it. It isn't because they hate Adobe or hate Flash, it's because Flash is so poorly written and unoptimised that it'd totally ruin the user experience on the device it's on. It's bad enough on the Mac (not much better on Windows either). My MBP battery drops a good hour or so when I play Flash on it. Stop and it shoots back up. Only Adobe can fix this.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
you look like mr. bean...
asyed1996 1 year ago
ipod, iphone, and ipad do have flash. you just get the app called cloud browse.
WOMBIEvsZOMBIE 1 year ago
To sum out the 8:56 of time in this video:
Ipad Needs Flash to run the internet to its full scale, the internet works well, but some websites are missing information and videos due to the need of flash. But that's if you can get the internet, as you HAVE to use wireless, you can't plug in a Ethernet Cable!
sparktransmitter 1 year ago
I bought a Nexus One to replace my iPhone 3GS because of the developer agreement changes and Apple's stand on Flash. As Google's Vic Gundotra stated "It turns out on the Internet, people use Flash". There are large players that have stated they will not be switching from Flash, and without 100%, the iPhone and iPad will ultimately display less of the web than Android and the others. My main Flash "like" is for photographic displays which are almost always Flash and allow full screen views.
ScottFBarnes 1 year ago
@ScottFBarnes As time goes on, less and less websites will use Flash. Many sites will require large amounts of time and money to be spent on them to redo them without Flash, so it'll likely be done when they get to their next redesign stage, but eventually Flash will become less and less relevant. This may take years, but it'll eventually happen.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
incidentally, have you even seen redbullsoapbox racer dot com? That is a great example of how html 5/ canvas is 10 years behind where flash is right now, and flash shows no sign of stopping.
mrrealtime 1 year ago
@mrrealtime HTML5 isn't supposed to outright REPLACE Flash. It's supposed to replace Flash for those things that aren't really needed to be done in Flash. A lot of websites used Flash for very VERY simple image transitions for example, when that can be easily done with jQuery and CSS. When Flash is used properly to its full potential it's brilliant, but 99% of the places it's used in it simply isn't used properly.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
(I know I might be posting a lot, but you've pushed so much misinformation out there it requires a lot of rebuttal, and 1 paragraph at a time just isnt enough to respond to all the misinformation in this video)
mrrealtime 1 year ago
When adobe characterizes HTML 5 as "not ready for another 10 years" [sic], the intent isnt to wrongfully denigrate html 5, Adobe already makes the #1 professional html tool on the market: Dreamweaver. What it means is, given the vast complexity of the flash platform, developer base, and capabilities, there is a massive gulf between what you can do with HTML / Canvas/Webkit and the flash platform, and by the time other technologies catch up, flash that much further ahead.
mrrealtime 1 year ago
I ran a flash website on the iPad using cloudbrowse, and even with all that overhead, flash worked very well. It proved that if Apple gave hardware access to flash, flash would kick Canvas/Webkit's ass in terms of performance just like it does on the PC.
mrrealtime 1 year ago
@mrrealtime Apple WANT Flash to use hardware acceleration. That was one of their main gripes with Adobe, they simply refused to do it. All the GUI elements in iOS are handled by the GPU, which is why it runs so smoothly and you get good battery life. Apple suggested that Adobe take this same approach with Flash but Adobe said no. Flash runs almost entirely on the CPU which is why it's such a resource hog and kills battery life. Only Adobe can fix this, nobody else.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
Im not entirely sure what you gain by putting down flash and spreading misinformation about it, and I certainly have nothing against the iPad. Its a great device. Not having flash is Apple's choice and the market will decide whether that matters or not. That said, HTML 5 is not a direct competitor to flash - they can actually work together, flash can be programmed to work with multitouch, and Canvas is not as open as Adobe SVG, which is a truly DOM exposed vector tag set.
mrrealtime 1 year ago
Canvas/WebKit is based on Objective C, a 1980's language that is largely outdated but still heavily relied on by apple. Again, once mobile processors can handle it, flash will explode on all mobile devices. If the iPad maintains its anti flash stance, it will simply fade. Flash technology is truly open. Webkit/Apple is not open source, it is intellectual property of Apple. HTML 5 is not either, but it supports both. H.264 is also Apple property.
mrrealtime 1 year ago
@mrrealtime WebKit is not base on Obj-C. WebCore is C++, and WebKit is an Obj-C abstraction that also supports C++. Canvas uses JavaScript, just like Flash (well, Adobe's proprietary version of JavaScript). You are very uninformed and ignorant, so you needn't post more of your ideas.
RoughlyDraftedVideo 1 year ago
@mrrealtime WebKit is not based on Obj-C. WebCore is C++, and WebKit is an Obj-C abstraction that also supports C++. Canvas uses JavaScript, just like Flash (well, Adobe's proprietary version of JavaScript). You are very uninformed and ignorant, so you needn't post more of your ideas.
RoughlyDraftedVideo 1 year ago 6
@RoughlyDraftedVideo Actually Actionscript is the leader among ECMA scripting languages like javascript and C#. And sure, lots of actionscript is inspired by Javascript, thats called evolution. It is an "improvement" rather than sticking with the past. HTML 5 canvas is a big step backward in terms of capability and technology. Steve Jobs has it all wrong. SWF is actually more open than Webkit, and you can make flash content for any platform without fear of licensing issues in the future.
mrrealtime 1 year ago
@mrrealtime WebKit is open source under a BSD license and is implemented by lots of companies. SWF is a documented filetype that is completely owned (propriety to) Adobe . Comparing the two is absurdly moronic, just like the rest of your posts.
RoughlyDraftedVideo 1 year ago 8
@RoughlyDraftedVideo You're right, webkit is open source. My characterization of it is incorrect and I apologize for that. That said, it is incorrect to characterize swf as a closed, proprietary format, when it is, in fact, open in the practical sense. Any company can make an swf generating product without restriction. H.264 is similar but does have more limits and threats of litigation (see h.264 vs On6/mozilla) that Adobe has not attempted (yet)
mrrealtime 1 year ago
@mrrealtime It looks more and more likely that HTML5 will support H.264 as well as On6 and so on. Some browsers already support more than one media codec for this reason. I believe Chrome is one of them. Right now though H.264 is clearly the superior (from a technical standpoint) choice, it uses less bandwidth and provides a much better quality stream than other options for the bandwidth it uses. Until something can compete or beat this that's totally open source then this looks to stick.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
@RoughlyDraftedVideo
Good job, keep calling people morons.
Why do you feel the need to be such an asshole?
Calling people ignorant and saying things like "Deal with it Flash developer" won't make you popular, and it only serves to show your own ignorance.
Have you considered existing flash applications and content?
Suddenly it's not about the iPad having the edge, rather, it's about Apple wanting monopoly over what content to present to its users.
P4INKiller 1 year ago
@P4INKiller How is Apple creating a monopoly by supporting and pushing a FULL OPEN STANDARD that's controlled by OPEN STANDARDS bodies? Surely it's Adobe with the monopoly here? Flash is owned by Adobe. Nobody BUT Adobe is legally allowed to change anything about Flash and the way it works. It's controlled by ONE company rather than many. THAT is a monopoly. Apple want HTML5 to win so EVERYONE can access the same content on any device that supports it without needing to licence anything.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
@RoughlyDraftedVideo Exactly.
Zubirrex 1 year ago
@RoughlyDraftedVideo yeah, tech win!
donutsprinkles99 1 year ago
@mrrealtime C is even older, but it's still the primary language used for application development. Just because something is old doesn't mean it's bad. Objective-C along with other versions of C and other languages don't just stay still after they appear. How many versions of Action Script have their been? Using your argument it'd seem like it hasn't improved or changed since 1998, which as you know is NOT true. Same goes for Obj-C.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
@mrrealtime lol so your still thinking your stance on ipad is the same???
RainSavage 10 months ago
@RainSavage um, yes, it remains closed to the flash platform strictly for business reasons and at the expense of millions of consumers and developers, making up ridiculous excuses that try to blame flash, when really its the buggy rushed software that the iOS is made up of that is to blame. Fortunately they have all the shiny parts working so most consumers don't see the bugs.
mrrealtime 10 months ago
h.264 is not "free and open" . ON2 VP6 is, and firefox has refused to support h.264 because it is closed, and proprietary, owned largely by Apple and Microsoft, and subject to fees. On2 VP6/8 is not subject to fees and is completely open.
Flash WILL be important on mobile devices when they become capable of handling the technology. Canvas/webkit/objective C is at least 10 years behind the capabilities of the flash platform, and will likely never catch up to flash
mrrealtime 1 year ago
@mrrealtime H.264 is not "largely owned by Apple and Microsoft." Those two companies added very little to the ISO MPEG patent pool for H.264. VP6 simply takes H.264 tech without paying for it, and will soon require licensing because that's not going to last long.
Your comments that Canvas, WebKit and Obj C are "at least ten years" behind Flash are equally hilarious and ridiculous.
RoughlyDraftedVideo 1 year ago
@RoughlyDraftedVideo Objective C appeared in 1986. Actionscript first appeared in 1998. A quick google search will reveal that. The only thing that prevents flash from exploding on mobile devices is the processing power currently available. When that changes, flash will dominate as it does currently on the desktop PC for UI, rich internet application development, and gaming. You might not be familiar with the "rich internet application" but suffice it to say, its the future, not web-pages.
mrrealtime 1 year ago
Your characterization of HTML 5 is incorrect. HTML 5 does not do anything flash does, a canvas tag <canvas> is all it supports. Apple Webkit/javascript/Objective C(unchanged since the 1980's) is required to replicate some of the features of flash, but they do not even come close to replicating the complexity of the flash platform even in the most ambitious specifications that are only theoretically proposed and have no target date for deployment according to the W3.
mrrealtime 1 year ago
@mrrealtime No you are wrong. HTML5 is not a proprietary plugin like Flash, nor is it designed to be "like Flash," but it does do the same things Flash is currently used for: embedding audio and video, adding dynamic interactivity and animation into web pages. It just does it within the browser using open specifications anyone can implement, rather than a closed, insecure and poorly performing anti-html environment implemented as a proprietary plugin. You are full of ignorant FUD.
RoughlyDraftedVideo 1 year ago
@RoughlyDraftedVideo Actually, it is apparently you who are ignorant. Flash provides a mechanism to display Vector graphics and animate them with script. The only way to do this in HTML 5 is to make use of the Canvas element, which is the only tag exposed to the Document Object Model or "DOM". This is proprietary javascript code based on WebKit, an Apple product they have retained intellectual property rights over. SVG is, in fact, the only similar technology fully exposed to the DOM.
mrrealtime 1 year ago
@mrrealtime Apple created canvas, and then made it an open source free-to-use-and-implement element of HTML5, just like they created WebKit and made that open source so anybody who wishes to use it, can, without needing to licence it.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
@TalesOfWar Bullshit. Apple did not create WebKit. Webkit is a fork of KHTML from the Konqueror browser.
JamesFosterGB 1 year ago
@RoughlyDraftedVideo Um, I never said HTML 5 was a plugin, or suggested it was designed to be "like flash". Quite the opposite. HTML 5 is not flash at all, in fact, it works well with flash as do all previous versions of html. Webkit and H.264 are controlled by Apple and Co. and are not as "open" as the .swf format, and not exposed to the DOM like SVG is. The only competitor with Adobe is Apple, not the W3 or ECMA open standards.
mrrealtime 1 year ago
@mrrealtime No, you suggested that HTML5 is trying to compete against Flash. It's not. Flash is trying to find a reason to exist now that HTML doesn't need a plugin patch just to display video or show dynamic content.
HTML was also not seeking to replace AOL and MSN in the mid 90s, but it did, just like today's HTML will obsolesce Flash. Deal with it Flash developer
RoughlyDraftedVideo 1 year ago
What it really comes down to is that mobile devices simply cant handle the processor requirements of flash, or any other advanced visual rendering software yet. So, saying they support flash or not is moot, because none can right now anyway. Mobile devices (including the iPad) are currently where desktop pcs were about 5 years ago in terms of capabilities.
mrrealtime 1 year ago
ROFL @ all the debate over whether flash is good or not... Mac evangelists are ridiculous. The question is not if flash is good or not, the real question is, are ipad, ipod, iphone users allowed to use other web plugins? What if tomorrow the new thing is bangaloo plugin? How about java? Java plugins? How about the customer using the plugin they "want" on the system they purchased?
BoudahXL 1 year ago 2
@BoudahXL
I believe the fact that iDevices supporting open standards like HTML5, Javascript, and CSS will lessen the need for web plugins like Flash and Silverlight that can limit the web experience for users. Like RDV said, Flash is a trap, but its more like a dead-end and you lose all your choices in the future. Besides, Apple isn't preventing you or anyone from buying a non-Apple mobile device to run their favorite web plugins, are they?
Coraxuss 1 year ago
@Coraxuss You'd be hard-pressed to find a modern device that doesn't support Javascript/CSS. In what way is Flash limiting the experience, except for the people who willingly buy devices that doesn't support it?
hamstaman 4 weeks ago
If you had edited this Adobe Premiere your video would of been much better.
dans15 1 year ago
@dans15 If you had typed this comment on a Mac you probably wouldn't have forgotten to type the word "on".
PioneerCinema 1 year ago
no widescreen....
BASSAROVER 1 year ago
iPad does not need flash. HTML 5 FTW
DauntlessEagle1 1 year ago
WE NEED FLASSSHHH
loubaad 1 year ago
I really believe in html5 and want it to succeed, because i feel that is is much lighter and more integrated into the web than flash. For example, try changing the volume in a regular flash youtube video, then immediately trying to scroll down the page. It won't work. You have to click outside of the flash content and THEN you can scroll. It's not part of the page! I tried this with an html5 youtube video, and I didn't have to click out of the content to control what was around the content.
adrianomelette 1 year ago
Flash -is- very useful for mobile devices... Android 2.2 will have proper support. I have run into -many- occasions on my iPhone where I had to -stop- my web browsing experience when I hit a flash page. I have no need for an iPad and it can't be my choice for web browsing. I dismissed it expecting it to come my iPhone, obviously Steve is an jerk and making false statements of openness and against middleware. Apple has always been restrictive, that's there defining historical feature.
MattKingTutLangley 1 year ago 3
I lot of people say the ipad is a toy, but I beg to differ. Since I had the pad, I have downloaded my text book, create my homework in iworks and send them to my instructors, yes using my iPad. I have not touch my laptop in two weeks. I think what it boils down to, if you just want to play games, then the ipad is just a toy, but you use it for school purposes, it takes on a whole different meaning
dynamite2T 1 year ago
Good job Daniel.. Keep 'em coming. However, could you have someone else on with you to argue with you and liven things up, please.
lennylenape 1 year ago
Apple forces me to install Quicktime today when I buy an iPod. No other way to get get "your entire music collection in your pocket". They dont dare tie iPods to MacOS, even now, although they would love to! Anyway by what definition is Quicktime or h264 more "open" in comparison to Flash? If Apple supports Theora and HTML5 for the sake of "openness" you may start to have a point. Microsoft, Apple, Adobe they all try to bind the world into their business by riding on their ONE succesful product.
javajumpy 1 year ago
@javajumpy Apple "forces" you to install QuickTime because it's used by iTunes for handling media. There is no real comparison between QT and Flash unless you're thinking that it's 1996 and you need the QT plugin to play media in your web browser, and Microsoft has disabled it from working properly in IE.
Theora and Flash are garbage. There's a difference between technical superiority that uses patented technology (H264), and bad technology that competes with open standards (Flash).
RoughlyDraftedVideo 1 year ago
@RoughlyDraftedVideo
1. Quicktime and iTunes is arguably the buggiest and resource hungry piece of plugin/software on a PC. That is why we use "alternatives" in our PC world.
2. All my browsers.. firefox, opera, chrome have a tough time playing quicktime video.. you can see the memory usage and processor usage shoot up. Comparatively, flash on youtube, hulu etc. works like clockwork.
4. Safari.. the"world's best browser" in your mac-bubble is PATHETIC compared to Firefox, Opera etc.
BestestMoron 1 year ago
@BestestMoron
+1 to all the three points...I've had more crashes with quickttime plugin than flash. I've a mac and I use iTunes only for synching music to my iPod. For all my media playing, I use VLC, and safari is so inferior compared to firefox.
ontopic: the major promise of iPad is "complete web experience" right now not in future not after some time when HTML5 is being adapted by every website. So till that time, it can't deliver full web experience unless it supports the "present" flash
f4350 1 year ago
@RoughlyDraftedVideo Well theora does lack polish. I think if Apple really wanted to support something open they would support webm not h.264. God. H.264 while being a good technology is too proprietary. If the web were to adopt h.264 and switch from flash it would be nightmare Firefox and Opera users would be left without video streaming. Also keep in mind Apple only allows html5 video in H.264 which Apple just happens to make money html5 is the future but flash is now.
Railroadmaster 1 year ago