I don't cry at much, music is really the only thing that makes me... VnV nation, this song, as it fades, and beloved are a few that make me cry. This one, is out of sheer, sheer sadness...
First VNV song i ever heard... the background music of a crappy animation someone made for a computer class. took more than a year to finally find the title of the song, and even longer to discover more VNV songs. Now they're my favorite band.
Probably my favourite song on the album, and my favourite VNV album to boot. Except the Futureperfect font had me thinking this song was named "Cargon" for a while...
I love music like this, different from mainstream by the way the sounds create such power and connection; very hard to explain. That is why I love music. I picture being the last person alive in this world.
Wow, I'm just speechless, I can't really find the words to convey my emotions right now. I literally discovered VNV Nation less than 10 minutes ago and I am blown away from what I've heard so far. These are beautiful songs full of so much emotion, I have no complaints. I could listen to this song for hours and it wouldn't lose it's meaning to me.
This was the last great album they made. I don't know what happened to VNV Nation but they are nowhere near as good as they were. Out of all the albums they made since then there's like 3 songs from them that are even decent. And they've never even come close to making something as good as Empires.
Ronin displays so much emotion and observation in everyone of his songs, he is brilliant in every meaning of the word. It's a shame he isn't more publicly known, it's actually a loss.
@loriancrane Music like VNV only appeals to certain people. You need to really listen to it to get his message, and he actually sings about things that matter, rather then women, sex, cars, or whatever idiotic materialistic crap the mainstream music sings about. I am glad he isn't well known.
@LustxFilledxEyesx13 This is going to sound weird, and I'm going to regret saying this, but: Hump the subwoofer. There's a lot of bass in this song, so that's a plus.
they write music about things that the wisest person on earth doesn't know... and people listen to the music for meaning in something we can't understand. they are prophets in a sense.
tears start flowing down my cheeks when I hear the intro. all I need is the slow beat and it makes me think of no longer exisiting and noone other than my daughter remembering me when i die. and when she dies noone will know i ever exsisted
I think this song reminds me of Warfare and Mankind then Climate change. Im not saying it does'nt revolve around Climate Change, It probably does but some of the lyrics does relate to Warfare, Just my opinion of course.
i agree with most of you..it's amazing and eerie. i love what spierler80s said. :) it's just really good music that friggin moves me sooooo much. i love it.
I wouldn't describe this song as deep, it seems very fatalistic and very melodic, which leads you to think about it - but the message is things I hear my sister moan about while applying black nail-polish and describing how different she is while following her own little cloud. I find I listen to this song but all it does is make my mind rebel from it's message.
@Erynnsilver I totally agree. I love the song, I think it's very beautiful, and listening to it puts me in quite a state of mind. But the lyrics lack a bit, just because well, yeah, it's nothing revolutionary, and kind of lacks in metaphorical speech. But it's still a wonderful song to listen to.
Each to their own I guess, but I think the damage we're doing to the planet with our endless thirst for technology, cheap travel and abundant food is a serious issue. Cheers.
@Cazzerpot It will take less than 50 years, should all humanity disapear, for msot traces of us to follow. It will take about 200 for any noticable effect from us being here to be compeltely gone... so no, it's not a huge issue for the planet. Maybe for us. And even then, technology often fixes what misuse of technology causes. Our understanding improves and with it, our ability to negate our damage. Shunning technology does NOT make us less harmful - evidence of that is everywhere.
its not madness, its experience things need to be experienced you can try and label it if you like but I know its just a label for a thing things are often very different to their labels as humans, we must label. the problem is not with the thing but with your label. in fact there is no problem at all, just labels anyone with me on this? fascinating read Viktor Frankl - Man's Search for Meaning read it.
The environmental view is certainly an aspect. For me, it's a bit deeper than that. Less about what we're destroying or -that- we're destroying, but rather calling into question the futility of our insistence. 'What inspires in us this madness that our existence should be defined by a light that can't been seen by anyone?' Why do we live the way we do? What is it, at the core of ourselves and societies that predisposes us to self destruction? Marching us closer to extinction; killing everything.
If you think about it as a song pertaining to belief in a god, it can make sense, particularly for you atheists out there. But, again, much of VNV's stuff is different for everyone. Just another perspective.
But more than likely, an environmental awareness theme is the likely true meaning. My religion perspective doesn't exactly explain why the song is called "Carbon." Meh. Again, just another perspective.
I agree with oden, i would have figured city lights or ashes from a nuke. But thats a very interesting POV... I never would have guessed it as souls. But in my understanding the points of light would be city lights atop skyscrapers. "Monuments in darkness" and "a light that only we can see" describes our advances in technology, our wisdom, legacy,Past, Present, Future because the song asks the question "who will be there after us" very subtely and foreshadows the song "End of days".
If you ask me, it seems like its a warning about our growing levels of pollution and destruction of the environment. I can't see this all as progress... as we continue to "advance" we are really killing off the Earth, and bleeding its resources dry. In 1000 years, what will be our legacy? If we keep going the way we do with pollution, who knows? we may all be dead, and forever marked in history as the ones who destroyed our planet just to make a million points of light that no one can see... -.-
has anyone heard the remixed version has no lyrics... just "instrumental"???? if so can somebody tell me who remixed it??? i'm having a total brain fart and want to make sure i get that version again.
As much as people like to attribute this to global warming, and as much as it applies, lie other VNV Nation songs I believe it more a commentary on the horrors of conflict and war. In this case, the atomic bomb.
In either event its a fitting track for these times, as much as a lot of people may not be comfortable admitting it.
When I hear this song, I picture a cold, grey world.....full of old broken down polluting factories. A complete cement wasteland. It just reminds me of all the damage we are doing to this world like if we have options to live elsewhere. This is bad ass.
I was actually thinking more along the lines of something from Mirror's Edge lol. It would fit in Perfectly with that game, with it's slightly futuristic and vast somber feel.
Just one problem with terraforming mars, we don't have the necessary technology to do so, we would have to add atmosphere to the planet along with significant changes to the martian soil. Not to mention that if we launched a mission this year it probably wouldn't reach mars till then, or even later than then.
Jesus Christ Chris. Your still at this. Why dont you understand Fuck Off. Take it somewhere else. Take it to your mother for all i care. It doesn't belong here. Bugger Off, Fuck Off, Get the fuck outta here. If you're so desperate for attention go find it in a whore house. They'll gladly pay attention to you if you trade your wallet away. Maybe you'll get lucky and find someone who is actually sympathetic.
Chris, if you want to give up, go ahead. But don't let your suffering cause others suffering. If you do, you're no better then the people you think have such a 'horrid nature'. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that doesnt mean they have the right to impose it upon everyone else.
rights are irrelevent, its about interests, and my interest is not to suffer, since this song causes me suffering, i wish it were destroyed. its not enough to simply not listen to it. its mere existence is sick.
Being a whiney little bitch is irrelevent, its about interests, and my interest is not to suffer, since YOU "chrispollock" cause my suffering, i wish YOU was destroyed. its not enough to simply ignore your pathetic self pittying coments on this song. YOUR mere existence is SICK.
see? i'm right. its you and me, we both cause each other suffering by existing, and you wonder why i think this world sucks and why songs that only highlight the suckiness of it should be destroyed in a big bonfire/deleted
of what? death? no. of dying yes. i'd like to die in my sleep for example. maybe i'll get my wish tonight. and from the sound of you guys, your wishes as well
the indian professor didn't tell you HOW you solve your depression WITHIN YOURSELF. that's called vague, and it doesn't help. it also ignores the outside impositions that oppress people like me, the very real harsh things that have nothing to do with my mentality, that make me have less hope. and depression is a mental disease, hence, the idea of curing yourself through inner resolve is a fallacy. and this song is an outside imposition on my mental health, therefore, should be destroyed
Everyone deals with "outside impositions" likely FAR worse than you, and they chose to fight on and deal with it, and not complain and look for meds and sympathy from other people. Youve clearly given in to your weak side, and youre a drag on both society and humanity. Why dont you try and give something back instead of always wanting better, whining about how everyone is to blame for you being a bitch is so pathetic, you need to harden the fuck up Chris. :)
then they must be made of stronger stuff or have psychological barriers that defend them against feeling depressed. its not my fault that i'm weak. if i give in, it isn't my fault, as being weak isn't my fault. i was beaten down by society. humanity is a drag on me, not the opposite. why shouldn't i whine? society needs to soften up, not the other way around. no wonder the world is in the state that its in, where we are expected to "harden" and and deemed pathetic if we don't. shoot me!
Jesus Christ Chris. Your still at this. Why dont you understand Fuck Off. Take it somewhere else. Take it to your mother for all i care. It doesn't belong here. Bugger Off, Fuck Off, Get the fuck outta here. If you're so desperate for attention go find it in a whore house. They'll gladly pay attention to you if you trade your wallet away. Maybe you'll get lucky and find someone who is actually sympathetic.
Incase you have not bothered to take the fucking hint have a good look at these comments...... every visiter is clicking "dislike" on you, so fuck off and cry in someone elses corner, I'm fed up of visiting this song here and seeing you have posted yet more pathetic whineing about it. If you dont like it why are you here? calling on the destruction of art and free expression you soul-less maggot!! fuck off now. F U C K O F F.
this isn't art. this is mopey depressing auditory poison that should be expunged from my memory. i wish i never listened to it. perhaps if it didn't exist, others wouldn't share my fate
Jesus Christ Chris. Your still at this. Why dont you understand Fuck Off. Take it somewhere else. Take it to your mother for all i care. It doesn't belong here. Bugger Off, Fuck Off, Get the fuck outta here. If you're so desperate for attention go find it in a whore house. They'll gladly pay attention to you if you trade your wallet away. Maybe you'll get lucky and find someone who is actually sympathetic.
No offense, chrisP, but if music has that much impact to your wellbeing, maybe you should try amino acids (google Health Recovery Centers) and surf Britney instead of goth
i have been on meds for years, they don't take away the pain of knowing the horrible truth about life and having to experience life. health recovery center is another word for insane asylum where they will intern me forcibly and be treated like an animal, without rights. i do surf happier stuff, but the mere existence of this song aggravates me
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i can't ignore it, i know it exists, and i've heard it, so it still lowers the quality of my life. as for me, i am a coward, i can't do myself in, i need someone else to place the barrel to my brainstem and pull the trigger.
The mere fact youre on youtube when there are people on this earth who die of hunger, thirst or suffer at the hands of others on a daily basis, is what pisses me off. You have a better life than the majority of people, stop looking at things with your depressed attitude, and appriciate what you DO have. Nobodys life is perfect, but even people with nothing can be happy with what they do have, and you should think of that next time you want people to feel sorry for you.
Do not let the mares of the night take your conscience, grasp it on your own and sculpt your future with it. Life isn't perfect, but we can atleast make the best of it... untill we are no more.
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how about take the rational way out and put a bullet to the brainstem of my skull? i truly invite anyone to come to my residence if they have a powerful gun or shotgun, and will comply with my instructions by letting me kneel, facing away from you, and having you place the barrel to my brainstem and fire. quickest way out. this song was one brick in the wall of depression. it should be eliminated
lol, you remind me of that Chinese guy a week ago who wanted to jump onto a freeway, and pussed out. He held up traffic and emergancy services for hours, until eventually some hardcore old feller came along and pushed him off. I want to be that guy for you, but sadly i couldnt take a life unless it was completely justified, and your just not worth the effort bro, sorry...lol, keep it coming tho, you entertain me.
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it is also because of people like you that i suffer, to know that the world is full of those with a lack of understanding and compassion for the mentally weak and depressed. the chinese guy perhaps wanted to die, but he had conflicting emotions, who knows. the old man who pushed him off the building is exactly the type who need to be eliminated along with this song. but indeed, if you have a high powered gun, i invite you to come shoot me in the base of the skull, let me know.
When I travelled Europe, I spoke with an Indian professor who dealt professionaly with depression. He agreed with me, that depressed people, when they give in to that depression, feed off themselves and look to the world for help. The answer is inside of you, it is YOU who needs to change yourself, not medication, not sympathy from others, but YOU, changing your view on things is the only cure.
depression isn't something you choose, i'm aware. but being weak IS a choice, and reveling in it as you seem to is another, even more pathetic one. crying to youtube isn't going to help you. especially on pages of songs you don't like. i advise getting a proper therapist to listen to your whining.
it only took one listen, that was it. i heard the music, the lyrics and boom, it dealt a blow to my emotional health. hence, i wish the song never existed or at least were destroyed all together
I don't mind negative feedback, but half the comments on this video are you whining about the song. Just stop, okay? If it's really hurtful to you, then coming back here won't solve anything. Find some help, listen to happier music, and good luck getting over your depression.
get help? there is no help that can undo the damage this song has done. and i'm glad you admited implicitly that this is not happy music. and indeed, since it isn't, it should be scrapped. good luck getting over depression? its a disease, not a breakup with a gf or something. i'd commit suicide but i'm a coward
This song is showing how destructive the human race has become. When we hurt the planet we hurt ourselves, this is the only world we have. This song is only depressing through a superficial understanding of the lyrics and sound. I believe Ronan wants to raise our consciousness so we can stop our self-destruction and create a better world for all of us.
the human race was always destructive. the planet isn't us, so we hurting ourselves. all this is is a song that depresses the ego, makes things seem hopeless. after all how can you cure a world of anything when existence itself is flawed to begin with. pain is the dominant feeling in life. death is inevitable and we are dragged toward it in fear. we struggle to maintain health and attractiveness, many in vain. gee what a great place. this song doesn't help and thus should be destroyed
You contribute to everything this song is about stopping. Death is inevitable, but we don't have face it through fear. We don't even have to face it. Inevitabiity doesn't mean we have to think about it 24/7. I don't think pain is the dominant feeling. I don't believe any feeling has precedence over another feeling. We experience all feelings. To finish, surely our existence as dialogic beings with the ability to discuss and debate things may help you. This is what Youtube enables us to do.
i fail to see the need for this song to be destroyed. its a beautiful piece of work. not everything that is made has to be destroyed because you do not find it useful. if you feel that you do not care for this song or music similar to it then stop listening, stop coming back; you're simply making a fool of yourself. Let those of us who enjoy the song do so. and about your depression. fall in love, depression disappears. i was dealing with it not weeks ago before i fell in love. its gone now.
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love doesn't exist, brain chemistry does. "love" is a myth. and i don't believe iam capable of being loved by anyone other than say my parents much less a woman, or vice versa
i am more important than the song. so the song needs the destroying, not me. and to the others who say why i keep coming here, go ahead, keep attacking me, it proves my point, that you love free expression until it doesn't sit right with you, then you attack it like vicious beasts. proves to me the horrid nature of human society, and this song. anyone want to come shoot me in the brainstem with a shotgun? talk to me in private. thanks
Jesus Christ Chris. Your still at this. Why dont you understand Fuck Off. Take it somewhere else. Take it to your mother for all i care. It doesn't belong here. Bugger Off, Fuck Off, Get the fuck outta here. If you're so desperate for attention go find it in a whore house. They'll gladly pay attention to you if you trade your wallet away. Maybe you'll get lucky and find someone who is actually sympathetic.
a whore house? they don't exist in usa. besides, that won't destroy the song which is the primary imperative. if something caused you suffering even if you didn't listen to it, i'd say you'd want it erased from existence. and on the whore issue, btw, they want money, not to listen to some other persons problems. but if you're willing to subsidize me, i'll give it a try:) haha. no seriously, kill this song
@pepperpaw if there is a better alternative that does the same thing without the falling, yup. i remember i hated this song a couple years back. i still don't like it but at least now i can detatch myself from it's fatalistic message
Jesus Christ Chris. Your still at this. Why dont you understand Fuck Off. Take it somewhere else. Take it to your mother for all i care. It doesn't belong here. Bugger Off, Fuck Off, Get the fuck outta here. If you're so desperate for attention go find it in a whore house. They'll gladly pay attention to you if you trade your wallet away. Maybe you'll get lucky and find someone who is actually sympathetic.
I'm not in school, so no homework. Lots of time to give my opinion and respond to those that defend a song that contributed to my mental illness. totally reasonable. "We kill everything". Its like, saying that won't change anything, because we do it anyway and won't change so emphasizing the negativity of humanity is destructive and worthy of destruction
obviously if you believe that this song created your sadness and inspired you to take a downward spiral into depression your issues run much deeper than a mere song.
i don't listen to it. i used to and then it aggravated my mental illness, driving into a downward spiral. thats why i'd like to destroy this song, erase it from existence to save myself from the sadness it created for me
reality isn't important. happiness is. that's why this song should be eliminated from existence. after all, it helped lead me to mental illness. so its done harm enough to one person. reason enough for it to be destroyed
Sorry to here you got sick ! But don't blame the tune on which you marched into depression !
I have been there, and I would NEVER blame a song, book, movie, for this ! But let me tell you this, if you feel bad when looking to a movie, reading a book or listening to a song .. STOP DOING THAT ..........
the song DID however trigger a deeper depression than had I not heard it. Every song, book, movie, whatever, either has an effect on how you view life or not. This song did in a big way. A song talking about how humanity is a big fucking mess? I rest my case
That's bull shit. This song has not caused enough harm for it to be destroyed, if you developed a mental illness, it's because your life was fucked up. Quit trying to blame other things. Lowieken's right, although he's a lot nicer than I am.
Exactly. my life was fucked up because of various things including this song, because this song talks about humanity being all fucked up and thats not good for cheering up unhappy people. And if one person can be saved from sadness, the destruction of this song is justified. I don't see why not
but then i'd be denying the truth of this song being part and parcel to help lead to my illness. blaming this song is simply making truth statements.. why should i no longer blame this song? its an abomination
You sir are a fucking tool and a troll. If you don't like the "fatalistic" attitude in one of the best EBM songs in the past 15 years thats fine... but don't sit here and ruin it for everyone else.
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exactly. its fatalistic,mopey music. that was my point. i would go so far as to say this song helped lead me into mental illness. thats how toxic it is
This song didn't make you ill. The Beatles didn't make Charlie Manson into a murderer with Helter Skelter. The Devil didn;t make anyone do it. Quit seeking excuses and take responsibility for your own life.
My life is mostly due to the actions of others, impulses that wrack my nervous system and my own genetics. And if I listened to "She loves you yeah yeah yeah" by the beatles instead of this song, I wouldn't feel sick to my stomach. Showing this song to be worthy of deleting from existence.
i do have mental illness, and this song helped with the downward spiral into that mental state of negativity. counseling is a waste of time. before you enter the room, you are wrong and the counselor is right. society is right and you are wrong. the internet is just how i found this wretched song and i implore anybody with a desire for happiness to not listen to it. if i had the power, i would make this song go away
unless your mental illness is an obsessive compulsive disorder and your "twitch" is repeatedly listening to this song....then just don't. I enjoy the song. I enjoy it's meaning. Some of us intentionally listen to music to experience a certain range of emotion. If that isn't what you want, then don't listen to it.
And don't post drivel to intentionally get people to down on you. Your feelings of depression don't need further validation. You know that.
Trance..trance...trance....omg!!
adrianj54 2 weeks ago
I don't cry at much, music is really the only thing that makes me... VnV nation, this song, as it fades, and beloved are a few that make me cry. This one, is out of sheer, sheer sadness...
kaipakta 2 weeks ago
People are seriously missing out on this band, vnv nation has multiple songs that are just freckin awesome.
TheBeastlyHumanoid 1 month ago
I want to make intense passionate love with someone I hate, to this song.
HeatherNShea 1 month ago
@HeatherNShea I hate you with a burning passion...
spieler80s 3 weeks ago in playlist Carbon
First VNV song i ever heard... the background music of a crappy animation someone made for a computer class. took more than a year to finally find the title of the song, and even longer to discover more VNV songs. Now they're my favorite band.
Yay for crappy animations!
ValekHalfHeart 2 months ago
the ingenuity and sheer perfection of this band cannot be conveyed by the words of a simpleton such as myself
msbeastiful 2 months ago
Probably my favourite song on the album, and my favourite VNV album to boot. Except the Futureperfect font had me thinking this song was named "Cargon" for a while...
emptysoul25 3 months ago
we cut the earth until it bleeds..
we kill everything.....:(
22JaneDoe 4 months ago 7
wow, amazing song.
TheFunNoob 4 months ago 2
This was the song that I fell in love with and prompted me to find all I could by them.
KeebieElf 4 months ago
I love music like this, different from mainstream by the way the sounds create such power and connection; very hard to explain. That is why I love music. I picture being the last person alive in this world.
Kurizu2007 6 months ago
Wow, I'm just speechless, I can't really find the words to convey my emotions right now. I literally discovered VNV Nation less than 10 minutes ago and I am blown away from what I've heard so far. These are beautiful songs full of so much emotion, I have no complaints. I could listen to this song for hours and it wouldn't lose it's meaning to me.
ThatsBumblebee2U 6 months ago 6
This song reminds me of the Fallout games.
XxTodesengelxx 6 months ago in playlist Industrial/Electronica 3
So amazing
loopygirl1980 7 months ago
This song is so sexy ...and even better to fuck to ...hot !
rorexdreadnok 7 months ago
One of their most finely crafted tracks. It just paints a perfect image.
tyhdavis 7 months ago
In a word: Powerful.
This sums up everything VNV is.
MrSatan85 8 months ago
This was the last great album they made. I don't know what happened to VNV Nation but they are nowhere near as good as they were. Out of all the albums they made since then there's like 3 songs from them that are even decent. And they've never even come close to making something as good as Empires.
666dagstein 8 months ago
just when i thought i ran out of vnv songs to obsess over.. i go and listen to this :)
accessandamplify 8 months ago
everytime i hear this song louder and louder!!!!!!!!!
xXxRudBoyxXx 8 months ago 4
i have a picture in my mind:
it's a cold starry night and you can see flak all over the dark sky...
DrYellOwe 10 months ago 2
Ronin displays so much emotion and observation in everyone of his songs, he is brilliant in every meaning of the word. It's a shame he isn't more publicly known, it's actually a loss.
loriancrane 11 months ago 4
@loriancrane Music like VNV only appeals to certain people. You need to really listen to it to get his message, and he actually sings about things that matter, rather then women, sex, cars, or whatever idiotic materialistic crap the mainstream music sings about. I am glad he isn't well known.
XxTodesengelxx 7 months ago 3
Love this song powerful and dark
Kurizu2007 11 months ago
Is it wrong of me to love VNV Nation as much as I do. Honestly, there must be something wrong, If I could hump sound, I would.
LustxFilledxEyesx13 11 months ago 44
@LustxFilledxEyesx13 Not if I'm humping it first...haha
KnightofWhiterrun 1 month ago
@LustxFilledxEyesx13 This is going to sound weird, and I'm going to regret saying this, but: Hump the subwoofer. There's a lot of bass in this song, so that's a plus.
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Samhainne 1 year ago 17
*click click click click click click click click* like! >.<
dragonpsn3 1 year ago
they write music about things that the wisest person on earth doesn't know... and people listen to the music for meaning in something we can't understand. they are prophets in a sense.
dragonpsn3 1 year ago 2
I love the beat in this track. A smooth, heavy, dark beat that really empowers the mood.
Dolgaris 1 year ago
Man I love this song!!!
wdgrain3 1 year ago
VNV Nation is deff by far one of my favourite bands I love VNV Nation so much
Davidcoady85 1 year ago
VNV Nation is officially my favorite band. <3
Deep meaning behind the words. It's calming.
The music fits perfectly.
It opens up my mind, heart, and soul.
To the darkest depths.. and to the lightest spots.
It fills me with so much beauty... I cry.
KisaxVamp127 1 year ago
@KisaxVamp127 those words are like light in the darkness........ simply beautiful....
deathgift07 1 year ago 2
I think this about emptyness and lack of faith..!
SomethingWiley 1 year ago
tears start flowing down my cheeks when I hear the intro. all I need is the slow beat and it makes me think of no longer exisiting and noone other than my daughter remembering me when i die. and when she dies noone will know i ever exsisted
bluegoth 1 year ago
I think this song reminds me of Warfare and Mankind then Climate change. Im not saying it does'nt revolve around Climate Change, It probably does but some of the lyrics does relate to Warfare, Just my opinion of course.
MisterSam1000 1 year ago
i agree with most of you..it's amazing and eerie. i love what spierler80s said. :) it's just really good music that friggin moves me sooooo much. i love it.
VNVgirl 1 year ago
The beat is very hypnotic...the lyrics are very thoughtful as well...
AfroPunkprincess 1 year ago
My favorite song ever by VNV
SangreCrucifixition 1 year ago
Realy nice song but... Isnt it a bit slow?
7ZoXaN7 1 year ago
What inspires in us this madness !?!
ButterflyRomana 1 year ago
i love this song
jadielein 1 year ago
this is humanity in a nutshell..
makes me cry every time. i love it so much..
pisse3000 1 year ago
vnv nation :>
ulmeulme 1 year ago
i like it, too...
DepecheModeMa 1 year ago
The cool thing about vnv nation is their music.
I think the lead singer matches other songs good, but not this one.
electrotech3000 1 year ago
love vnv
mccclarren 1 year ago
Tt's so easy to lose yourself in this song. The lyrics and the music suck you in and don't let go.
mavik 1 year ago
what a song :)
batty1205 1 year ago
One of my favorites off the album. I usually dismiss the softer VNV stuff, but I dig this.
noizyme 1 year ago
I wouldn't describe this song as deep, it seems very fatalistic and very melodic, which leads you to think about it - but the message is things I hear my sister moan about while applying black nail-polish and describing how different she is while following her own little cloud. I find I listen to this song but all it does is make my mind rebel from it's message.
It's still pretty.
Erynnsilver 1 year ago
@Erynnsilver I totally agree. I love the song, I think it's very beautiful, and listening to it puts me in quite a state of mind. But the lyrics lack a bit, just because well, yeah, it's nothing revolutionary, and kind of lacks in metaphorical speech. But it's still a wonderful song to listen to.
frailwinter 1 year ago
@frailwinter You know, not every lyric has to be an idiom. They get the message across bluntly, I think that was the point.
AlexKaptain 1 year ago 3
@Erynnsilver
Each to their own I guess, but I think the damage we're doing to the planet with our endless thirst for technology, cheap travel and abundant food is a serious issue. Cheers.
Cazzerpot 1 year ago
@Cazzerpot It will take less than 50 years, should all humanity disapear, for msot traces of us to follow. It will take about 200 for any noticable effect from us being here to be compeltely gone... so no, it's not a huge issue for the planet. Maybe for us. And even then, technology often fixes what misuse of technology causes. Our understanding improves and with it, our ability to negate our damage. Shunning technology does NOT make us less harmful - evidence of that is everywhere.
Erynnsilver 1 year ago 2
This song is so deep :)
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Loki048 1 year ago
The environmental view is certainly an aspect. For me, it's a bit deeper than that. Less about what we're destroying or -that- we're destroying, but rather calling into question the futility of our insistence. 'What inspires in us this madness that our existence should be defined by a light that can't been seen by anyone?' Why do we live the way we do? What is it, at the core of ourselves and societies that predisposes us to self destruction? Marching us closer to extinction; killing everything.
AletheianAeon 2 years ago
@AletheianAeon was I content with a sandwich i once cherished?
chrispollock 1 year ago
If you think about it as a song pertaining to belief in a god, it can make sense, particularly for you atheists out there. But, again, much of VNV's stuff is different for everyone. Just another perspective.
But more than likely, an environmental awareness theme is the likely true meaning. My religion perspective doesn't exactly explain why the song is called "Carbon." Meh. Again, just another perspective.
ThePTB 2 years ago
i love this fuckin' song
killerkay83 2 years ago 2
damn this song is depressing...
randomnessrules789 2 years ago 4
Very true, every time I listen too it I feel guilty for just living. But I still like its powerfulness.
An eye opening song.
LoboCow 2 years ago 2
@randomnessrules789 i guess that makes two of us
chrispollock 1 year ago
Why did people keep spamming thumbs on MartianMan? He probably likes the song as much as anyone else.
danivenley 2 years ago
i cant figure out what the points of light are. could it possibly be the dead?
StuPierce 2 years ago
City lights
Maybe the detonation of a nuclear weapon
odenskrigare 2 years ago 2
I agree with oden, i would have figured city lights or ashes from a nuke. But thats a very interesting POV... I never would have guessed it as souls. But in my understanding the points of light would be city lights atop skyscrapers. "Monuments in darkness" and "a light that only we can see" describes our advances in technology, our wisdom, legacy,Past, Present, Future because the song asks the question "who will be there after us" very subtely and foreshadows the song "End of days".
Dallows65 2 years ago
If you ask me, it seems like its a warning about our growing levels of pollution and destruction of the environment. I can't see this all as progress... as we continue to "advance" we are really killing off the Earth, and bleeding its resources dry. In 1000 years, what will be our legacy? If we keep going the way we do with pollution, who knows? we may all be dead, and forever marked in history as the ones who destroyed our planet just to make a million points of light that no one can see... -.-
randomnessrules789 2 years ago 4
@randomnessrules789
If I could give you a million thumbs up I honestly would.
Grave187RIP13 2 years ago 2
@randomnessrules789 the earth can't be "killed" by people. it'll still exist
chrispollock 1 year ago
The lyrics to this song are amazing!
lenymo89 2 years ago
So great! Thank you so much for writing such great music! Outstanding synth as well!
psychocandychain 2 years ago
has anyone heard the remixed version has no lyrics... just "instrumental"???? if so can somebody tell me who remixed it??? i'm having a total brain fart and want to make sure i get that version again.
xpurestbluex 2 years ago 2
As much as people like to attribute this to global warming, and as much as it applies, lie other VNV Nation songs I believe it more a commentary on the horrors of conflict and war. In this case, the atomic bomb.
In either event its a fitting track for these times, as much as a lot of people may not be comfortable admitting it.
CaitiVoltaire 2 years ago 2
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this would be amazing wrestling music lol
MartianManhunter1987 2 years ago
/facepalm
KevinLounsberry 2 years ago
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suck a fuck!
Mautiks 2 years ago
@Mautiks
Tell me exactly, how does one suck a fuck?
(DONNIE DARKO reference.)
Grave187RIP13 2 years ago
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ulmeulme 2 years ago
i love this tune!!
ulmeulme 2 years ago
*this is a bad ass song.
spieler80s 2 years ago
When I hear this song, I picture a cold, grey world.....full of old broken down polluting factories. A complete cement wasteland. It just reminds me of all the damage we are doing to this world like if we have options to live elsewhere. This is bad ass.
spieler80s 2 years ago 72
Agreed.
MichalPelc 2 years ago
Kinda like something out of Fallout 3? lol
But no, you're right. You are so very right.
MrTotallyRad 2 years ago 2
I was actually thinking more along the lines of something from Mirror's Edge lol. It would fit in Perfectly with that game, with it's slightly futuristic and vast somber feel.
pumpkins0 2 years ago
@spieler80s we will have options to live elsewhere soon enough we're terraforming mars in 2031
deathgift07 1 year ago
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@deathgift07
Just one problem with terraforming mars, we don't have the necessary technology to do so, we would have to add atmosphere to the planet along with significant changes to the martian soil. Not to mention that if we launched a mission this year it probably wouldn't reach mars till then, or even later than then.
Bunkhouseproductions 11 months ago
@spieler80s The place you're thinking of is called Pittsburgh
DasFuhrerinagstring 6 months ago 3
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AlexUxiro 2 years ago
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thenextdude 2 years ago
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Jesus Christ Chris. Your still at this. Why dont you understand Fuck Off. Take it somewhere else. Take it to your mother for all i care. It doesn't belong here. Bugger Off, Fuck Off, Get the fuck outta here. If you're so desperate for attention go find it in a whore house. They'll gladly pay attention to you if you trade your wallet away. Maybe you'll get lucky and find someone who is actually sympathetic.
StuPierce 2 years ago
Chris, if you want to give up, go ahead. But don't let your suffering cause others suffering. If you do, you're no better then the people you think have such a 'horrid nature'. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that doesnt mean they have the right to impose it upon everyone else.
AlexUxiro 2 years ago 4
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rights are irrelevent, its about interests, and my interest is not to suffer, since this song causes me suffering, i wish it were destroyed. its not enough to simply not listen to it. its mere existence is sick.
chrispollock 2 years ago
Being a whiney little bitch is irrelevent, its about interests, and my interest is not to suffer, since YOU "chrispollock" cause my suffering, i wish YOU was destroyed. its not enough to simply ignore your pathetic self pittying coments on this song. YOUR mere existence is SICK.
thenextdude 2 years ago 4
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see? i'm right. its you and me, we both cause each other suffering by existing, and you wonder why i think this world sucks and why songs that only highlight the suckiness of it should be destroyed in a big bonfire/deleted
chrispollock 2 years ago
why cant you write something more constructive?
MartianManhunter1987 2 years ago
You're scared.
misshypothetical 2 years ago 2
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of what? death? no. of dying yes. i'd like to die in my sleep for example. maybe i'll get my wish tonight. and from the sound of you guys, your wishes as well
chrispollock 2 years ago
God, I love this song...
MadMadamMarlin 2 years ago 22
@MadMadamMarlin God i love this band
Davidcoady85 1 year ago
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the indian professor didn't tell you HOW you solve your depression WITHIN YOURSELF. that's called vague, and it doesn't help. it also ignores the outside impositions that oppress people like me, the very real harsh things that have nothing to do with my mentality, that make me have less hope. and depression is a mental disease, hence, the idea of curing yourself through inner resolve is a fallacy. and this song is an outside imposition on my mental health, therefore, should be destroyed
chrispollock 2 years ago
Everyone deals with "outside impositions" likely FAR worse than you, and they chose to fight on and deal with it, and not complain and look for meds and sympathy from other people. Youve clearly given in to your weak side, and youre a drag on both society and humanity. Why dont you try and give something back instead of always wanting better, whining about how everyone is to blame for you being a bitch is so pathetic, you need to harden the fuck up Chris. :)
boomyster 2 years ago 7
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then they must be made of stronger stuff or have psychological barriers that defend them against feeling depressed. its not my fault that i'm weak. if i give in, it isn't my fault, as being weak isn't my fault. i was beaten down by society. humanity is a drag on me, not the opposite. why shouldn't i whine? society needs to soften up, not the other way around. no wonder the world is in the state that its in, where we are expected to "harden" and and deemed pathetic if we don't. shoot me!
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Jesus Christ Chris. Your still at this. Why dont you understand Fuck Off. Take it somewhere else. Take it to your mother for all i care. It doesn't belong here. Bugger Off, Fuck Off, Get the fuck outta here. If you're so desperate for attention go find it in a whore house. They'll gladly pay attention to you if you trade your wallet away. Maybe you'll get lucky and find someone who is actually sympathetic.
StuPierce 2 years ago
Incase you have not bothered to take the fucking hint have a good look at these comments...... every visiter is clicking "dislike" on you, so fuck off and cry in someone elses corner, I'm fed up of visiting this song here and seeing you have posted yet more pathetic whineing about it. If you dont like it why are you here? calling on the destruction of art and free expression you soul-less maggot!! fuck off now. F U C K O F F.
thenextdude 2 years ago 4
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this isn't art. this is mopey depressing auditory poison that should be expunged from my memory. i wish i never listened to it. perhaps if it didn't exist, others wouldn't share my fate
chrispollock 2 years ago
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Jesus Christ Chris. Your still at this. Why dont you understand Fuck Off. Take it somewhere else. Take it to your mother for all i care. It doesn't belong here. Bugger Off, Fuck Off, Get the fuck outta here. If you're so desperate for attention go find it in a whore house. They'll gladly pay attention to you if you trade your wallet away. Maybe you'll get lucky and find someone who is actually sympathetic.
StuPierce 2 years ago
it's this bollocks "if it hurts, if i don't like it, make it go away" that i hate about people in general.
this song may be dystopic, but it's beautiful, and it's a message they felt needed to be sent. i love it <3.
xbanxsanityx 2 years ago 2
hypocrite. you seek happiness like everyone
chrispollock 2 years ago
i do, but that isn't what makes me a hypocrite. seeking happiness doesn't mean i automatically run away and turn a blind eye to pain and hurt.
xbanxsanityx 2 years ago 2
I only really care for the beginning.
Synchrofool 2 years ago
No offense, chrisP, but if music has that much impact to your wellbeing, maybe you should try amino acids (google Health Recovery Centers) and surf Britney instead of goth
point1415 2 years ago 2
i have been on meds for years, they don't take away the pain of knowing the horrible truth about life and having to experience life. health recovery center is another word for insane asylum where they will intern me forcibly and be treated like an animal, without rights. i do surf happier stuff, but the mere existence of this song aggravates me
chrispollock 2 years ago
simply ignore it then and let it slip out of your life and you out of ours.
StuPierce 2 years ago 3
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i can't ignore it, i know it exists, and i've heard it, so it still lowers the quality of my life. as for me, i am a coward, i can't do myself in, i need someone else to place the barrel to my brainstem and pull the trigger.
chrispollock 2 years ago
The mere fact youre on youtube when there are people on this earth who die of hunger, thirst or suffer at the hands of others on a daily basis, is what pisses me off. You have a better life than the majority of people, stop looking at things with your depressed attitude, and appriciate what you DO have. Nobodys life is perfect, but even people with nothing can be happy with what they do have, and you should think of that next time you want people to feel sorry for you.
boomyster 2 years ago 6
An hero then
pisexy 2 years ago
Do not let the mares of the night take your conscience, grasp it on your own and sculpt your future with it. Life isn't perfect, but we can atleast make the best of it... untill we are no more.
Dallows65 2 years ago 4
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how about take the rational way out and put a bullet to the brainstem of my skull? i truly invite anyone to come to my residence if they have a powerful gun or shotgun, and will comply with my instructions by letting me kneel, facing away from you, and having you place the barrel to my brainstem and fire. quickest way out. this song was one brick in the wall of depression. it should be eliminated
chrispollock 2 years ago
lol, you remind me of that Chinese guy a week ago who wanted to jump onto a freeway, and pussed out. He held up traffic and emergancy services for hours, until eventually some hardcore old feller came along and pushed him off. I want to be that guy for you, but sadly i couldnt take a life unless it was completely justified, and your just not worth the effort bro, sorry...lol, keep it coming tho, you entertain me.
boomyster 2 years ago 4
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it is also because of people like you that i suffer, to know that the world is full of those with a lack of understanding and compassion for the mentally weak and depressed. the chinese guy perhaps wanted to die, but he had conflicting emotions, who knows. the old man who pushed him off the building is exactly the type who need to be eliminated along with this song. but indeed, if you have a high powered gun, i invite you to come shoot me in the base of the skull, let me know.
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boomyster 2 years ago
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When I travelled Europe, I spoke with an Indian professor who dealt professionaly with depression. He agreed with me, that depressed people, when they give in to that depression, feed off themselves and look to the world for help. The answer is inside of you, it is YOU who needs to change yourself, not medication, not sympathy from others, but YOU, changing your view on things is the only cure.
boomyster 2 years ago
depression isn't something you choose, i'm aware. but being weak IS a choice, and reveling in it as you seem to is another, even more pathetic one. crying to youtube isn't going to help you. especially on pages of songs you don't like. i advise getting a proper therapist to listen to your whining.
xbanxsanityx 2 years ago
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it only took one listen, that was it. i heard the music, the lyrics and boom, it dealt a blow to my emotional health. hence, i wish the song never existed or at least were destroyed all together
chrispollock 2 years ago
I don't mind negative feedback, but half the comments on this video are you whining about the song. Just stop, okay? If it's really hurtful to you, then coming back here won't solve anything. Find some help, listen to happier music, and good luck getting over your depression.
Gamer2k4 2 years ago 11
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get help? there is no help that can undo the damage this song has done. and i'm glad you admited implicitly that this is not happy music. and indeed, since it isn't, it should be scrapped. good luck getting over depression? its a disease, not a breakup with a gf or something. i'd commit suicide but i'm a coward
chrispollock 2 years ago
This song is showing how destructive the human race has become. When we hurt the planet we hurt ourselves, this is the only world we have. This song is only depressing through a superficial understanding of the lyrics and sound. I believe Ronan wants to raise our consciousness so we can stop our self-destruction and create a better world for all of us.
PsychoAnalyticalDan 2 years ago 3
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the human race was always destructive. the planet isn't us, so we hurting ourselves. all this is is a song that depresses the ego, makes things seem hopeless. after all how can you cure a world of anything when existence itself is flawed to begin with. pain is the dominant feeling in life. death is inevitable and we are dragged toward it in fear. we struggle to maintain health and attractiveness, many in vain. gee what a great place. this song doesn't help and thus should be destroyed
chrispollock 2 years ago
You contribute to everything this song is about stopping. Death is inevitable, but we don't have face it through fear. We don't even have to face it. Inevitabiity doesn't mean we have to think about it 24/7. I don't think pain is the dominant feeling. I don't believe any feeling has precedence over another feeling. We experience all feelings. To finish, surely our existence as dialogic beings with the ability to discuss and debate things may help you. This is what Youtube enables us to do.
MartianManhunter1987 2 years ago 2
i fail to see the need for this song to be destroyed. its a beautiful piece of work. not everything that is made has to be destroyed because you do not find it useful. if you feel that you do not care for this song or music similar to it then stop listening, stop coming back; you're simply making a fool of yourself. Let those of us who enjoy the song do so. and about your depression. fall in love, depression disappears. i was dealing with it not weeks ago before i fell in love. its gone now.
StuPierce 2 years ago 2
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love doesn't exist, brain chemistry does. "love" is a myth. and i don't believe iam capable of being loved by anyone other than say my parents much less a woman, or vice versa
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thenextdude 2 years ago
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i am more important than the song. so the song needs the destroying, not me. and to the others who say why i keep coming here, go ahead, keep attacking me, it proves my point, that you love free expression until it doesn't sit right with you, then you attack it like vicious beasts. proves to me the horrid nature of human society, and this song. anyone want to come shoot me in the brainstem with a shotgun? talk to me in private. thanks
chrispollock 2 years ago
Jesus Christ Chris. Your still at this. Why dont you understand Fuck Off. Take it somewhere else. Take it to your mother for all i care. It doesn't belong here. Bugger Off, Fuck Off, Get the fuck outta here. If you're so desperate for attention go find it in a whore house. They'll gladly pay attention to you if you trade your wallet away. Maybe you'll get lucky and find someone who is actually sympathetic.
StuPierce 2 years ago
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a whore house? they don't exist in usa. besides, that won't destroy the song which is the primary imperative. if something caused you suffering even if you didn't listen to it, i'd say you'd want it erased from existence. and on the whore issue, btw, they want money, not to listen to some other persons problems. but if you're willing to subsidize me, i'll give it a try:) haha. no seriously, kill this song
chrispollock 2 years ago
Bicycles cause pain when you fall, so should we destroy all of them?
pepperpaw 2 years ago
@pepperpaw if there is a better alternative that does the same thing without the falling, yup. i remember i hated this song a couple years back. i still don't like it but at least now i can detatch myself from it's fatalistic message
chrispollock 1 year ago
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Jesus Christ Chris. Your still at this. Why dont you understand Fuck Off. Take it somewhere else. Take it to your mother for all i care. It doesn't belong here. Bugger Off, Fuck Off, Get the fuck outta here. If you're so desperate for attention go find it in a whore house. They'll gladly pay attention to you if you trade your wallet away. Maybe you'll get lucky and find someone who is actually sympathetic.
StuPierce 2 years ago
@Gamer2k4 Gamer, have I ever told you I love you :). You rock XD.
VampireBaru 1 year ago
"we are no more...."
ddallows 2 years ago 2
'Can someone see our self destruction?'
MissJessSnape 2 years ago 3
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I'm not in school, so no homework. Lots of time to give my opinion and respond to those that defend a song that contributed to my mental illness. totally reasonable. "We kill everything". Its like, saying that won't change anything, because we do it anyway and won't change so emphasizing the negativity of humanity is destructive and worthy of destruction
chrispollock 2 years ago
Umm
obviously if you believe that this song created your sadness and inspired you to take a downward spiral into depression your issues run much deeper than a mere song.
estinski 2 years ago 3
Seriously.
Filthnails 2 years ago
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i don't listen to it. i used to and then it aggravated my mental illness, driving into a downward spiral. thats why i'd like to destroy this song, erase it from existence to save myself from the sadness it created for me
chrispollock 2 years ago
this song is like a drug...its so addicting. I love it!!!
winnryautomail 2 years ago 2
Great lyrics, great song.
BodeVanLot 2 years ago 4
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reality isn't important. happiness is. that's why this song should be eliminated from existence. after all, it helped lead me to mental illness. so its done harm enough to one person. reason enough for it to be destroyed
chrispollock 2 years ago
Sorry to here you got sick ! But don't blame the tune on which you marched into depression !
I have been there, and I would NEVER blame a song, book, movie, for this ! But let me tell you this, if you feel bad when looking to a movie, reading a book or listening to a song .. STOP DOING THAT ..........
Lowieken73 2 years ago 4
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the song DID however trigger a deeper depression than had I not heard it. Every song, book, movie, whatever, either has an effect on how you view life or not. This song did in a big way. A song talking about how humanity is a big fucking mess? I rest my case
chrispollock 2 years ago
That's bull shit. This song has not caused enough harm for it to be destroyed, if you developed a mental illness, it's because your life was fucked up. Quit trying to blame other things. Lowieken's right, although he's a lot nicer than I am.
Sokrias 2 years ago 2
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Exactly. my life was fucked up because of various things including this song, because this song talks about humanity being all fucked up and thats not good for cheering up unhappy people. And if one person can be saved from sadness, the destruction of this song is justified. I don't see why not
chrispollock 2 years ago
do you know justin timberlakes "cry me a river"?
Fyores 2 years ago 4
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yes and its better than this fatalistic garbage
chrispollock 2 years ago
Part of recovering from an illness comes from no longer blaming others for whats inside of you.
No luck for you there I guess.
vorlon1979 2 years ago 4
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but then i'd be denying the truth of this song being part and parcel to help lead to my illness. blaming this song is simply making truth statements.. why should i no longer blame this song? its an abomination
chrispollock 2 years ago
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this song is for mopey people and those who seek to be mopey. i mean, the feel of the song is so fucking depressing and fatalistic
chrispollock 3 years ago
You sir are a fucking tool and a troll. If you don't like the "fatalistic" attitude in one of the best EBM songs in the past 15 years thats fine... but don't sit here and ruin it for everyone else.
Center706 2 years ago 3
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exactly. its fatalistic,mopey music. that was my point. i would go so far as to say this song helped lead me into mental illness. thats how toxic it is
chrispollock 2 years ago
This song didn't make you ill. The Beatles didn't make Charlie Manson into a murderer with Helter Skelter. The Devil didn;t make anyone do it. Quit seeking excuses and take responsibility for your own life.
Nyctophora 2 years ago 2
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My life is mostly due to the actions of others, impulses that wrack my nervous system and my own genetics. And if I listened to "She loves you yeah yeah yeah" by the beatles instead of this song, I wouldn't feel sick to my stomach. Showing this song to be worthy of deleting from existence.
chrispollock 2 years ago
Have you tried antacid tablets? I'd recommend Tums or Settlers. Or counseling. It sounds like you may have digestion and depression confused.
Never mind, as long as you have the Internet at least you get plenty of attention eh?
Nyctophora 2 years ago 2
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i do have mental illness, and this song helped with the downward spiral into that mental state of negativity. counseling is a waste of time. before you enter the room, you are wrong and the counselor is right. society is right and you are wrong. the internet is just how i found this wretched song and i implore anybody with a desire for happiness to not listen to it. if i had the power, i would make this song go away
chrispollock 2 years ago
unless your mental illness is an obsessive compulsive disorder and your "twitch" is repeatedly listening to this song....then just don't. I enjoy the song. I enjoy it's meaning. Some of us intentionally listen to music to experience a certain range of emotion. If that isn't what you want, then don't listen to it.
And don't post drivel to intentionally get people to down on you. Your feelings of depression don't need further validation. You know that.
Don't go where there is pain.
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