Niten Ichi Ryu demonstration

[Peekingduck]

3:36 ... looks painful.. he lands on his hip-bone...

Great clip.

Thanks for uploading

[L3sl131995]

@Peekingduck he rolls

[Jabbawokeez4]

Very cool. I want to learn this someday.

[blackcerberus79]

@Jabbawokeez4

"Someday" is a dangerous word, you can watch your whole life go by. Start now. Learn from this guy, he seems to know what he is talking about:  nitoichiryu com

[nicostormUK]

@Jabbawokeez4 Where abouts in Canada are you, this school is taught in Canada

[Jabbawokeez4]

British Columbia

[nicostormUK]

@Jabbawokeez4 argh, wrong side really, I think the closest to you is Calgary!

[sharky168]

I was waiting for the dragon twister.

[Antellus1]

You would enjoy my book A BOOK OF FIVE RINGS: A Practical Guide to Strategy by Miyamoto Musashi. In it, I discuss Musashi's life and death. He passed his skills to his pupil and scribe Teruo Nabonojo, who passed it on to his students. I read the books he wrote from the translation by Harris and retranslated them into more modern language. He hated the other fencing schools and self-promoted heavily, so stop arguing about it.

[FUTAKE28]

Merci a eux de nous avoir montrer cet art, ce fut un honneur.

[kenjutsukata1o1]

All of this arguing is rather amusing. Musashi lived over four hundred years ago and reportedly never formally passed on his teachings. It is likely that the modern day style was developed by one of Musashi's students who felt the desire to carry on his master's legacy, which is commendable. But stop using Musashi's 'history' to argue about him. What is fact and what is fiction is highly debatable. It is unlikely that Shishido Baiken or even the Yoshioka brothers even existed.

[wRisingphoenixw]

@kenjutsukata1o1 What did he teach his students if not his own style? Didn't he establish at least two fencing schools?

[gerardrbain1972]

Miyamoto Musashi is the greatest individual warrior to ever pick up a weapon.

[maxgunn555]

@gerardrbain1972 actually i am. 

[nicostormUK]

haha, pot-kettle-black, I said I studied this school (ie ryu), not that I studied at the video posters dojo. If you notice the video itself was shot in France, during a annual European seminar, which was, and is attended by people from across Europe, and led by the head of the ryu and his students from Japan. There are main European practice groups in France, Finland, and low and behold the UK (among others).

[LordCinderWalk]

Furthermore, the only way to receive formal education in Niten ichi ryu is to go find a descendent of his teachings... so none of these people in any of these videos have formal training in the style. I have formal training in Iai-do and Ken-jutsu, but there is no formal training in niten-ichi without going to the house of Kiyochi Yoshimochi himself. and he does not take students.

[nicostormUK]

@LordCinderWalk Oh dear, Its starting to sound as if someone spends more time reading facts about Musashi from Vagabond, mixing it with translations of the go rin no sho, and cutting bottles of water in their back garden rather than spending anytime actually in the dojo. Good luck with not killing yourself in your pursuit of the Musashi within.

[LordCinderWalk]

@nicostormUK would like to see what you can do. you post video games.

Seems like you know everything about swordsmanship, dont'you?

i welcome you to my classroom for a duel. you know nothing.

who do you think you are?

i don't think much of you. before you spit in my face, i urge you to read his works.

from what i see? youre just a little kid posting bullshit comments to someone that knows what he's doing.

my 26 years of study vs your nintendo controller.

grow up, kid.

[nicostormUK]

@LordCinderWalk Oh I dont know everything, but I study this school properly, as part of the school with the head of the school, seen here in this video. Once you've stopped pretending to understand Musashi from simply reading his, badly translated on the whole, works, then maybe you could seek proper tuition yourself, although I suspect that will never happen, have fun.

[LordCinderWalk]

@nicostormUK a used teabag like i see from the demonstrations in this video, i am the head of my own kenjutsu school, based off the teachings this man left behind. Three you dishonor him by simply waiting for your turn to speak. my input was placed here for your information, ( IF YOU RUN A SCHOOL )

your bullshit comments would be out of place.

read what i said again, and consider the thoughts i have given you.. and in the future, stop being a pompus asshole brit know it all fuck.

[nicostormUK]

@LordCinderWalk I think I'll trust and stick with the teachings of the lineage of the school, rather than trying to make it up based on the go rin no sho.

[LordCinderWalk]

@nicostormUK the gorin no sho was not the only book musashi wrote, just to be fair, if you didn't know that i think it might benefit you to find his three other books written prior to gorin no sho and after.

they detail almost eighty techniques aside from the water and fire scrolls in the gorin no sho.

these are the books i base my teachings off of. please don't be upset, be humble and accept advice when you hear it. You are very welcome for this information. life then was different.

[LordCinderWalk]

@nicostormUK stop bullshitting me, you live in UK, not finland.

[nicostormUK]

@LordCinderWalk Who said anything about finland?

[LordCinderWalk]

@nicostormUK logic states, the poster of this video lives in finland. you live in the UK, so you're definately lying to benefit yourself, but it's not working on me, so you can simply shut up and stop trolling unless you have something educated and worthwhile to say. From this point forward, you are considered a fool, not only for not listening, but for not keeping an open mind which is what the Hyôhô Niten Ichi is all about.

in live swordfights, you use what means you can to survive and win.

[nicostormUK]

@LordCinderWalk Hahaha, you're funny, seriously, I almost choked on my tea! Awesome, I look forward to more crap from your keyboard!

[LordCinderWalk]

@nicostormUK drown in your teacup, little worm.

[LordCinderWalk]

in the battle between yoshioka and musashi, he wasn't using his swortsword, he was using two longswords that he had reaped in the course of his battle.

it is taken for granted that because a samurai wears two swords, that it is customary in niten ichi-ryu to use the wakizashi.. it is not, however. the entire body of the technique relies on two longswords. Granted the shortsword may be effective, but only after you've lost your longsword and have yet to stick your weapon and find another.

[nicostormUK]

@LordCinderWalk And you know this do you? Im assuming you have formal training in the school?

[LordCinderWalk]

@nicostormUK Actually, Yes, i do. and Actually, Yes I do, Any more pompous questions you'd care to ask?

Musashi developed a series of techniques for shuriken-jutsu involving throwing the wakizashi and the tanto at his opponent.. maybe if you'd studied him closer you might learn more ( than the stylized rituals that his bunkai have become) And you might glimpse the core of his technique, as i said, relies on claiming the sword of your enemy, if your own is stuck in an enemy, take his.

in

[nicostormUK]

@LordCinderWalk Intersting, so who is your niten ichi-ryu teacher?

[LordCinderWalk]

@nicostormUK A man by the name of Bennosuke :)

[LordCinderWalk]

@nicostormUK Did musashi have a teacher? The trees and the rivers, the mountains in which he lived gave him the enlightenment necessary to create the strongest sword school in history.. and I claim him as my teacher.

to claim anyone else as my teacher would be denying this man his legacy, and the honor he deserves for it.

go ahead. i dare you to say something negative. He left behind a legacy, in several pieces of literature.. i have learned well from his teachings, and i teach Proudly.

[guilemaster147]

Basically the pinnacle of Japanese dueling style.

[Kimsoderlund]

Intense display of cordination and skill. Would love to have seen the entire show.

[Rafahil]

The most badass functional sword style.

[2008emitan]

本来日本の文化は切れ味があってミニマルで洗練されていたのに。­今やＢ級カルチャーばかりが主流になってしまって嘆かわしい。

日本人の誇り高い精神性を呼び起こしてくれる動画だと思う。

[darthteej1]

You can see why this was meant to fight many opponents, with all of those stabs against a basic slash.

[pwnageAAXAApker]

Why is the guy with one sword holding his hands so close? There is supposed to be some distance put between them to increase power and control of the swing.

[Katsujinken03]

@pwnageAAXAApker In fact, for example in Shinkendo we use high Jodan to give power, more ur high more u have power, but in Niten Ichi Ryu (I study it too) u have to act lke if u have a helmet and u can't do a Jodan so u need to sacrifice the power to give a faster hit what I like in Niten Ichi Ryu is the timming ''get out or receive a hit'

I wish it's answer ur question

[Katsujinken03]

@pwnageAAXAApker In fact, for example in Shinkendo we use high Jodan to give power, more ur high more u have power, but in Niten Ichi Ryu (I study it too) u have to act lke if u have a helmet and u can't do a Jodan so u need to sacrifice the power to give a faster hit what I like in Niten Ichi Ryu is the timming ''get out or receive a hit'

I wish it's answer ur question

[rottunpunk]

@pwnageAAXAApker

that guy holding only one sword is the soke. In kendo the hands are far apart, this makes it harder to get good reach and control over the sword. Like in many iai styles the space should be about 2 finger widths.

but then a sword or bokuto is very different than a shinai

also, it is the hara that makes the power, not the hands

[KuroiJigoku]

How come that most of the videos on YouTube result in quarrels?

Just watch/ enjoy the video and stop writing immature nonsense...

[legendaryrurouni]

Whats the music called? Great technique. perfect vid.

[HappyBirthdaySANTA]

does any1 know the instrumen being played & the artist or artist with that style... it would be greatly appreciated.

[solnegrolunaroja]

@HappyBirthdaySANTA I don't know who the artist is nor his/her school, but the instrument is a shakuhachi, a bamboo endlblown traditional flute. View wikipedia, they have a good article about it; here are some videos too

[Sovarius]

@HappyBirthdaySANTA dude... it's in the opening credits. 1:22 musique = music. Tajima Tadashi.

[grebf]

ＢＧＭで銅鑼が鳴ってるあたりは、Chineseと混同してます­な。

[MalkavianMarine]

What about a straight iai sneak attack ? Instead of raising the sword to strike but a grab and upward slash ?

[tubetubetube]

Musashi is a fraud. Any pro MMA BJJ fighter could kick his ass.

[bgcorporation]

>_> MMA and Sword Fighting is totally different. Also, an MMA fighter fights to just...win a cage Match. Musashi fought to stay alive. There is a difference between Cage Match and fighting as if your life depended on it. Also do some research before opening your mouth. Many of the advanced techniques of Martial Arts are banned from MMA, and MMA fighters learn the more non killing techniques.

[lolinternetslol]

Are you kidding? There are plenty of things in judo, BJJ etc. that most pro MMA fighters know that are banned in competition. Just because they don't use them doesn't mean they don't train them.

[bgcorporation]

Umm Judo actually isn't used for hand to hand competition. Judo is actually taught as a competition like sport. Like Wushu. So they really wouldn't know the more dangerous techniques that were removed from Judo. BJJ, I hate to tell you this but most BJJ fighters don't really like to perform in the streets because god knows what can be found, nails, glass. Hard Concrete. Western training is way different then Eastern training.

[lolinternetslol]

Dude, they still train techniques that aren't allowed in competition most judo places. Hell, a lot of the time you really don't get to use newaza a whole lot, but you still practice it.

[Sovarius]

@bgcorporation Hang on... Musashi traveled the lands searching for opponents to duel because he had to stay alive? He fought to win. Retard. Speaking of doing reaserch before you open your mouth... Jeez.

[bgcorporation]

@Sovarius <_< I know he fought to win. He fought to stay alive, he trained as the best. ..no where anywhere did I say anything against Musashi.

[Kunstdesfechtens]

Bringing BJJ to a swordfight is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Weapons change everything... taking even a knife fighter to the ground is a bad idea. Interestingly enough, Mushashi was reputed in some sources to have been an excellent jujutsu practicioner as well. Not surprising, considering the close coorelation between swordsmanship and grappling.

[JCLeSinge]

@Kunstdesfechtens: On taking a knife-fighter to the ground... if you mean in the sense of tackling him with a view to ground-fighting... yes, you're right; bad move, good way to die. If you're attempting a takedown on a knife-fighter, you want to break his knife-arm in the process; to do that deliberately, you'd need a style with a much greater emphasis either on striking, wrist-locks, or both. Jujutsu would work; very useful in a weapons encounter.

[Kunstdesfechtens]

@JCLeSinge @JCLeSinge Yes, that's to what I was referring. While I do practice HNIR, I also do medieval German martial arts, and their methods of dealing with daggers are mostly identical with many types of Koryu jujutsu. There are takedowns, and the few that involve both fighters going to the ground are when the knife arm is isolated, locked and broken during the takedown. (con't)

[Kunstdesfechtens]

(con't)@JCLeSinge The only exception is armoured kampfringen which often involves groundfighting with daggers as that is one of the only ways to finish an armoured opponent (pin him and stick him in the visor, for example. It is essentially equivalent to Kumi Uchi.

[JCLeSinge]

@Kunstdesfechtens: I know what you mean; I've done some English medieval martial arts, and there's a strong similarity to some Kobudo techniques; sword and dagger is almost interchangeable with sword and jitte. Look also at the similarity of European two-handed sword to Katana techniques.

I've not done any armoured fighting, but I understand the theory behind dropping on your opponent with the dagger; gravity and body weight provide enough power to drive through weaker points in the armour.

[beenthesun]

03:15 What a sneaky guy... lol

[jaffijaffer]

the book of five rings says you never use nitoryu against one oponent.

[Stethacanthus]

I actually practice this with an instructor, so this is astounding to me. I wish I was that good at it.

[nicostormUK]

where do you practice?

[Stethacanthus]

Up until just recently a Sports Center near where I live, but my instructor had to return home for family reasons.

[roseyroundtheedges]

The way that dud got thrown after he tried a sneak attack was cool!

[B3l3x4r]

Musashi is and always will be my favourite japanese warrior. I hope someday i will master his technique

[Kunstdesfechtens]

Which dojo do you train at?

[jeounghh87]

good luck

[Cadavu]

It is an honor to see the style of the Great Miyamoto Musashi.

[Crim15]

2:02, Breaking the timing, a pretty fun tactic..

[darksorrow4]

2:27 gesture after disarming just made me a day :d

[hanaman1]

i thought that niten ichi ryu was only nitojutsu. but now i see also normal kenjutsu and aikido. guess i judged it for what it was most famous for.

[Kunstdesfechtens]

HNIR isn't actually about "two swords". The fundamentals are taught with a single sword (used mostly two handed), and that's the biggest focus of training. Other techniques are for short sword, staff, jutte, knife and empty hand. The important thing to realize is that it's the principles that are important, which are not confined to the weapon used to display the principle in any given HNIR waza.

[Tracers4lyf]

It's sad that the true bloodline of this art died with its creator. Musashi never really passed on any full knowledge and instructed his students to do what they will with the knowledge he imparted on them. :/ Still, it doesn't make it any less sweet :P

[abstractn360]

That's not the case at all, Musashi passed a comprehensive curriculum down, not just a philosophy.

[Jinkiro]

From what I've learned, Musashi did in fact have a form of curriculum he passed on to his chosen successors. The Go Rin No Sho is something that would not really have been publicized if not for the efforts of one of them, who made copies of it. Besides this fact, I think people put WAY too much emphasis on the "bloodline" of any art as if not inheriting skills from a mentor means you have no chance. Musashi is living proof that this is not the case. All things with no teacher. Remember that.

[Nebelung13]

There are advantages and disadvantages with having pedigree in martial arts,

1-allows for higher specialisation and diversity.

2-sometimes might be a little snob, or even lose a bit of that "jack of all trades" characteristic that made many martial arts succeed.

all in all, i think its a question of taste. I myself prefer a school that as a defined orientation, that way im assured there to be no confusions.

[nicostormUK]

There's a difference between a man who lived during a period where technique could be developed on daily basis in real life situations, with real feedback as to what works and what didn't, and people hundreds of years later trying to do the same without any real knowledge of what they are doing. Learning from an experienced teacher, who has in turn received proper instruction, and so on, is imperative when it comes to Koryu JSA.

[JustMeNoOther]

@Tracers4lyf ... Is not sad, is so wise, what Musashi developed is not for modern mids, We need to learn and live with what he believed was only the best. Those who try to learn this arts is for elevate the spirit, not for competition, arrogance demostrations or to reach a sport trophy. Greentings.

[StigmaNYC]

Awesome

[CommanderC0D]

the art of the double sword...

[Peekingduck]

There is only 5 sets of kata using both swords, I believe.

Still, really interesting school

[kogai]

5 sets? No, only five *kata*, I'm afraid. However, there may be a few extra nito kata among the secret techniques.

[Peekingduck]

Sets of kata='Uke side and tori side"...

Funny, the person that demonstrated at Meiji last time seemed to think that there was only 5.

[aqumiya]

not exactly, wot ur thinking is nito-ryu...

this is niten ichi-ryu which means two heavens as one... long short and short which all samurai carried. not exactly ddouble short in modern terms think a guy with a m4 and m9

[nexusdb]

lol. that fat white guy seemed a bit out of place.

[octotango]

thats watkin sensei

[Crim15]

Yaku Sensei Colin Watkin. Taught in our Dojo a while back..

[YondaimeNamikaze]

Musashi never lost a duel, and Muso Gonnosuke never won, that version u tell doesnt even relate be far on the Niten ki or the Koijo Monogatari.

[yangSaiBattoX1]

in the research done by the martial artist enthusiast, early tokugawa shogunate era expert and feudal japanese translator, william scott wilson, the most likely out come of the second duel between gonnosuke and musashi was a draw

[vishreda]

musashi was beaten by gonnosuke, because he longing his mother.

when duel gonnosuke's mother shout loud at gonno, and musashi lost his concentration.

that's why he adore gonnosuke so much.

lately, gonnosuke call musashi as a "sensei"

[FredDude27]

That is Eiji Yoshikawa novel you are referring to. Its totally fiction.

[Peekingduck]

That's the 'Novel story' and not a true account of the story...

[Shibumi1979]

There is no jujutsu in Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu. It's a modern creation of Iwami Toshio.

[HaMoOhAhA]

Poor menkyo Watkin-sensei! No footage of him at all.

[OOFUJISAN]

Everyone is a critic. Funny that great part isn't a master or hanged a sword against.

[yama800]

What give you the right to discredit their teaching and skill?

[SuperSpoonishNess]

Freedom of speach.

[LordCinderWalk]

@yama800 musashi would be rolling in his grave if he saw what his school had become.

in his day, people hit eachother with bokken or live blades. this is a dance... it's horrible to see.

and i'm sure that Musashi sensei would agree. i'm not discrediting the demonstration, if anyone should, it would be Musashi himself.. his teachings were aggressive. it wasn't until he was wounded in the yoshioka fight that he started wielding his blade from a stillness..

[nii87]

Cool, I watched this video again today and just noticed the slight reactive shifts at 1:25 onwards.

[gery0fox0org]

do you konw where to buy books or videos of this style? i think it might help the litte swordsmen skills i have. (2 years of kendo, (3 years mma/shotokan and 2 of the lame kenjustu at the bujinkan dont count) and 8 months under ronald dukin(at the time of this posting).) plz tell me if you know any books or vids. thank you.

[basilolo]

You can get "Book of five rings" by Musashi Miyamoto. Search for it at online stores ;) For movei you can try out japanesesword (dot) net in category "MISC." "Others".

Hope it helps ;)

Greetings!

[lolinternetslol]

Don't bother with books, get legitimate instruction, you'll only train bad habits that will have to be corrected later.

[OOFUJISAN]

Yeah, that's right. Otherwise, you might become one of the two guys upthere, in the video.

[lolinternetslol]

Not sure if that comment was directed at me, but those two guys had live instructors who knew what they were doing instead of a book that can't correct your mistakes.

[OOFUJISAN]

... Yeah, that's right.

[yangSaiBattoX1]

i know that this comment is old, but a book that helped me greatly with my sword play was the hieho kadensho(life-giving sword) written by yagyu munenori.

[nittenichiryu]

you should also read "The Unfettered Mind" by the same author (i think..) =)

[IshiYamaRyuSeattle]

Absolutely beautiful. I'm exited to see Iwami Soke perform in Seattle this year.

[MouseInTheField]

Just to say that I participated to this event as a student. It was a workshop organised by Nguyen Thanh Thien at that time student of Iwami sohke. The teaching and demonstration was held in my hometown Saint Brice sous Foret, France. It was supported by the townhall and local authorities. The crest appearing on screen was created by Nguyen Thanh Thien for the event and is now the crest of his school. We like to say: WDW (who did what). :-)

More of the program to be published.

[rottunpunk]

ah i cant wait to see more clips of this event. especially the embu. hope you upload some soon

:p

[maenonine]

sorry, I don't mean this in an insulting way, but I think you just missed the whole point of this demonstration.

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[HARMONICO101]

Does not matter whether it is cool looking or not. They are essentially techniques designed to preserve your life at the expense of your attacker's life. There is no glorifying the act of killing another human being.

[HARMONICO101]

Excellant demonstration. Very interesting.

[sanosuke1010]

I don't think Musashi ever thought about using two swords (against one or several opponents). When he was cornered he just happened to be using both of them, as an extension of his body and soul, as the sword is meant to be used.

[CH3MIS7RY]

don't think musashi-sensei was into fighting with both blades when facing just one opponent...but...maybe he has become more fictional...more legend with the passing years...over centuries...who knows how much is true about the author of the book of five rings.

[HARMONICO101]

Indeed there is lot of legend that has been created about Musashi. But this authentic stuff right here. There are a host of reasons to use two swords against.

[Spitterkat]

and martial arts is reduced to circus acts again..

[shijinshogun]

nice~ wished there were more high quality niten ichi ryu videos on youtube :)

[Peekingduck]

Very interesting.

Music very tastefully picked.

Thanks

[yama800]

Very nice video thanks for posting

[rottunpunk]

excellent vid. thanks for sharing

do you have anymore?

[MrMelf]

Was that Colin Hyakutake there at the end of the first segment? Interesting!

[nii87]

Looks like it. He's a very intimidating looking bloke =P

[HARMONICO101]

He's intimidating when doing martial arts, but having had beer with him a few times, I can say that he is a very friendly, entertaining guy. A total fountain of knowledge as well.

[nii87]

And is somehow a regular at pretty much every martial arts forum I've been to =P

[HARMONICO101]

Yes, very true! If it's related to martial arts or swords, I gurantee he has an account there.

[thatpersonagain]

(or were you refering to the trolls in the thread)

[thatpersonagain]

what are they ignorant about? i don't study the ryu (not yet, but hopefully soon).. could you explain further abstractn360 please?

[abstractn360]

you both are ignorant.

[santosBR79]

Shidachi misses the first strike in Moji Gamae (01:57)

[Peekingduck]

Nice!

Thanks!

[jhxa]

these techniques are not effective at all, there isn´t combat experience

[Yarios]

these techniques were made from the best swordsman that has lived Miyamoto Musashi he fught countless duels and never lost one. search on google you will see I speak the truth.

[jhxa]

OK, I know Musashi very well, more that could think, he´s a dear friend mine, and belive, If he saw what you did with his techniques, he would vomit and die

[nii87]

You must be a very old man.

[Yarios]

umm Musashi died in 1645

[Shniva]

Musashi actually lost a couple of duels when he was younger. Early late teens to early 20s hehe.

But yes, his swordsmanship was legend.

[Turigamot]

Did he now? What evidence do you have. Only one person is ever acknowledged as POSSIBLY (its debated quite a bit) beating Musashi, and that is Muso Gonnosuke.

[HaMoOhAhA]

How do you know? Have you been sword fighting people?

[nii87]

Strange... I don't recall HNIR ever having Jujutsu as part of its curriculum (I had a small oppurtunity to study it once). But those people are definitely HNIR people so I guess I was mistaken.

[santosBR79]

There are no Jujutsu taught traditionally in Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu. Only Kenjutsu (Tachi Seiho, Kodachi Seiho and Nito Seiho) and Bojutsu (20 katas, 13 bo against sword and 7 bo against bo) .

I believe that this Jujutsu is a modern addition, taught only inside this group.

[nii87]

Thought so. The HNIR teacher I studied from specifically mentioned there were no jujutsu in the ryu.

[otakukaishaku]

Sorry fella, you are wrong. There is a LOT more after the bojutsu. All of it koryu, none modern.

[santosBR79]

Not exactly. There were jitte and aikuchi, added generations after Miyamoto Musashi, but this techniques didn't reached our time. They were lost sometime before Aoki Soke, because at the 9th generation the content were the traditional kenjutsu and bojutsu set only.

That's what were passed to Imai Soke by Shihan Gosho Motoharu when Kiyonaga soke died.

[santosBR79]

My better guess is that Imai Soke or Iwami Toshio researched and revamped these sets, perhaps based in the other sets and densho. but it's only my supposition, for sure I just know that these techniques were not taught by the 8th Soke.

[FredDude27]

Imai Soke started his training with the 8th Soke and later with the 9th soke.

[blayral]

that was enjoyable

[Tengu05]

Thank you kindly for this movie :)

[kogai]

You're welcome. :)