If only 36,000 are raptured from each of the 4 groups ,and in verse 22 where it states :But for the sake of the elect,those days shall be shortened , and "the elect" in which you believe are the converted jews , well, that means ONLY 36,000 people from the other three groups will be saved whether or not they go through the tribulation . Am I correct in this ? Please correct me if I've misunderstood . 144,000 is not many ...even 144,000 churches (worldwide) would still be very few
@mikeysback70 There are 144,000 from EACH of the four groups: 144,000 raptured Protestants (Rev 14:3), 144,000 converted Jews (Rev. 7:4) and 144,000 holy martyrs (Rev 14:1). St. John does not enumerate the number of protected Catholics but undoubtedly it is also 144,000.
Now i have a question i always wanted to know. what will happen to the children during these end times? will all the children be raptured so they wont be here during the tribulation? i always wanted to know about children during these end times
h20ENTHUSIAST, -- The Rosary is NOT vain repitition, in Matt. 6:7 it uses the word ''VAIN''..........denoting babbling or speaking without thinking, read 1 Kings 18: 26-29 for a good understanding then read Eccl. 5:2.......We are to be reverential and think of the weight and magnitude of our prayers. That is why Catholics CONTEMPLATE when praying the Rosary.
Prayer can take many forms and one of these is praise. In fact, if you check the Wiki definition of prayer, "praise" is the FIRST definition. Jesus said "do not repeat your prayers like the HEATHEN". Jesus actually commended the persistent widow who kept appealing to the judge until he finally said "I will grant her request otherwise she will wear me out." Most people will admit that if they ever get into a really serious spot they will repeat a prayer over and over such as "Jesus help me."
Rev 3:21 KJV) To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
the entire CHURCH is not RAPTUREd at once... and the MARRIAGE SUPPER of the LAMB is during the milennial reign.
Why three groups of people in the PARABLE of the HARVEST that all recieve the same reward? Because there is three groups of people. WHY teach people how to BE one of the groups to suffer tribulation? KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!
Only a tiny fraction of the Church will be raptured (144,000). 99.9 per cent must go through the tribulation. The marriage supper of the Lamb occurs in heaven DURING the tribulation, and then these raptured Protestants, along with the holy martyrs, will return with Jesus and join with the protected Catholics at the battle of Armageddon.
WRONG!.... THE BRIDE of CHRIST is REPRESENTED as the 4 angels in heaven with 4 heads or whatever.... The bridesmaids are the CHURCH RAPTURED... and MARTYRS AND that get rewards for being "overcomer" and the REWARDS are crown of life... so on and so forth there are 5 of them i think.
converted JEWs before tribulation and BEFORE antichrist revealed at 3.5 are JEWS but OF THE CHURCH that GET INTO the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. SAVE THIER SOULS not by GRACE but by good works through FAITH.
5. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Those who are in the BOOK OF LIFE aren't merely saved spiritually but their souls are saved BY GOOD WORKS THROUGH FAITH... HOWEVER those WHO DO GOOD WORKS BUT ARE NOT FAITHFULLY AWAITING CHRISTS RETURN ARE LEFT TO EXPERIENCE TRIBULATION that they may be TRIED AS IF BY FIRE!
(Rev 12 KJV) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: {2} And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. {3} And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron:and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
exalt yourself and be humbled humble yourself and be exalted....
I hope to be important and useful in the EYES of JESUS but I do not claim it.
Think of everyone as better than yourself. You obviously have studied and know more than I do..... But I will not be hoping for "mother mary's" protection... if you cannot give me a scriptural verse for doing so....
Let me be clear, I am not smarter than anyone else. I have had ZERO theological training. My role as the Co-Prophet of the End Times is a gift from the Holy Spirit. I give God all the edit. When I retired as an Engineer from the Ethan Allen furniture company in 2002, I fully expected to enjoy my retirement bass fishing. I cannot explain Mary's role in defeating the Antichrist any better than I already have. The 555 pattern in verses 27-41 is extremely important. They signify THE ROSARY.
The woman does not represent Mary, Christ or the Church. The description of the woman is an allusion to Genesis 37:9-11, where these heavenly bodies represent Jacob and Rachael as the father and mother of the nation of Israel, and the eleven stars represent the eleven brothers of Joseph. The crown of 12 stars represents the rule over the nation of Israel through the patriarchs of the 12 tribes of Israel.
In the Old Testament, Israel is often represented as the wife of Jehovah, and she is represented as an unfaithful wife. Here the woman represents the godly remnant of Israel who is faithful to God. This remnant of faithful Jews was the mother to the Church when it was established at the time of Christ, and it will be closely associated with the Church during the first half of the tribulation period.
The Woman "clothed with the sun" cannot possibly be Israel because her "seed" (spiritual children) have the "testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. 12-17). Not one person in Israel for 2000 years has the "testimony of Jesus Christ". No one in Israel today has the "testimony of Jesus Christ". For 2000 years the Catholic Church has labored to bring Christ to the world, not Israel. No one in Israel even CLAIMS to be The Woman. How can Israel be The Woman if they do not even WANT the honor?
Isreal REJECTED Christ... therefore Jesus came also for the Gentiles... ISREALS SEED is the CHURCH. If ISREAL had not been GOD's CHOSEN people then the CHURCH age would have never happened... hence the church would have never GROWN to be the PROUD TREE from the humble MUSTARD seed BUSH.... you ever heard of a MUSTARD TREE? and ISREAL will have the TESTIMONY of JESUS CHRIST 144,000 to be exact at the MAIN harvest Rapture (midtrib) not FIRST FRUITS PRETRIB or SHEEP GOATS POSTTRIB!!
For 2000 years the Catholic Church has brought Jesus to the world through the Eucharist and the Gospel! The 144,000 converted Jews will indeed have the testimony of Jesus Christ, but not the rest of Israel. Also, the converted Jews will NOT be raptured. The remnant Protestants will be raptured, the remnant Catholics will be protected in the desert, and the converted Jews will flee to the mountains. I agree, the Woman DOES represent CONVERTED Jews, from the early Church Fathers to these last.
I will explain Blasphemy for you. Nothing the CHURCH does is without the FATHER. So to give the CHURCH the glory for "bringing JESUS" to the world is blasphemy. FOR GOD SO LOVED THE world that 'HE' (meaning GOD) Gave his only begotten son that whosoever beliefeth in him might not perish but have eternal life.
The 144,000 Jews will be SEALED up in their foreheads.. and the WRATH of GOD does not COMMENCE until this is SO (exactly midtrib when antichrist is reveled to the JEWS! abomination of DESOLATION). Any JEW converted after midtrib that Becomes a MARTYR becomes a PART of the CHURCH..any JEW THAT CONVERTS and SURVIVES (is saved) then enters the EARTHLY portion of KINGDOM of GOD and recieves a reward based on the POUNDS (not talents) given him. SEE parable of RIGHTEOUS LORD who Pays workers the SAME!
I can't disagree with you on this statement because you are right on, except to add that the conversion of the Jews begins at the START of the 7 years of tribulation with the return of Enoch and Elijah and continues for 3 1/2 years until they are assassinated in Jerusalem. Please note that 144,000 Jews represent only a TINY FRACTION of Israel. The nation of Israel itself will WELCOME the Antichrist and his abomination of desolation. Israel will NOT be invaded, as the false prophets claim.
The point is...666 is number of MAN. 7 of COmpletion. 555 whether it be a roseary or any other such thing of MARY... (albeit number of woman?)IS of little consequence. What you teach about the rosary is misleading and it is due to the fact that you have judged others as "false prophets"... Now repent. Your FAITH is in the LORD JESUS CHRIST not in PrAYER BEADS. And the BIBLE says that those who do not OVERCOME the catholic CHURCH must endure TRIBULATION!
In fact the CHURCH at THYATIRA is the WOMAN who LEAVENS (false doctrine)WHICH i thought you already UNDERSTOOD as I have already POSTED IT. The catholic church took the "3" measures of MEAL message of the TRINITY and CORRUPTED IT! Enduring to the END is holding on to the DOCTRINE that you were GIVEN... OVERCOMING which is BETTER is learning the DECEPTION that you have been subject to.Overcomers get REWARDED.. simply enduring.. makes you a servant who was NOT watching for CHRIST RETURN FAITHFULLY
Mat 24:50-51 (KJV) The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, (i.e., separate him) and appoint him his portion (i.e., measured amount) with the hypocrites (i.e., those who pretend to be more spiritual than they are): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
It's really amazing that St. John the Apostle could foresee this great division in Christianity between Catholic and Protestant nearly 2000 years ago. He also prophesies that a remnant from BOTH groups will reign during the millennium along with the holy martyrs and the converted Jews. I'm not asking you to pray the Rosary, but, by the same token, please don't ask me to stop. Regarding the false prophets, Jesus warned there would be MANY in these end times. We must TEST the spirits.
Prayer beads ARE for COUNTING PRAYERS and FOR saying a prayer a GIVEN number of times and too keep count so as not to forget where you are in your PRAYERS....
BUT THE BIBLE SAYS DO NOT REPEAT YOUR PRAYERS OVER AND OVER LIKE THE HEATHENS DO.... BUT KNOW THAT YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN HEARS YOU...
If repetition of prayer is so bad, why do the angels in heaven sing "holy, holy, holy"? Or why does Jesus commend the poor widow who the judge finally listens to only because she REPEATS her petition over and over until she "wears him out". In this oratorio "Messiah", the great composer Handel repeats the phrase "Halleujah" at least 50 times. No one has ever accused Handel of being a "heathen". The HAIL MARY does come from God through the archangel Gabriel spoken to Mary at the Annunciation.
That is the widow who is seperated at the rapture... one becomes bride of christ... the other is seperated like a foolish virgin... AGAIN you teach people how to "hold fast" but your message is twisted with a hidden leaven that will force you to have to GO through tribultion in order for your prayers to "wear him out". You dont teach Catholics how to "overcome".... The poor widow wouln't be in that condition if she'd heeded.
The HAIL MARY IS PRAISE and the most amazing prayer in the Bible because the PRAISE comes FROM GOD TO MARY: HAIL MARY, FULL OF GRACE, THE LORD IS WITH YOU, BLESSED ARE YOU AMONG WOMEN, AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF YOUR WOMB. Jesus worked his very first miracle through Mary's intercession. It may be humbling to praise a woman, but if God can do it, so can I.
Since we started this dialogue, h20, one thing has become obvious to me: the Blessed Mother is after your heart. STOP KICKING AGAINST THE GOAD. If you don't like repetition, I dare you: say ONE Hail Mary every day and let Mary do the rest. Regarding scripture, Jesus explains some things in parables rather than commands, such as His story of the persistent widow. Jesus also said, "Unless you become as little children you cannot enter heaven". No child asks his father for something just once!
Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
The parable of the leaven runs parallel with the message to the church of Thyatira in Revelation 2:18-29. Leaven in the Scriptures is always used symbolically to represent evil, sin and false doctrine. Leaven is never used for anything good in the Bible. One in a TENthousand women I HAVE NOT FOUND!
salvation of the SPIRIT is by the sanctification that is in Christ JESUS and is NOT of WORKS lest any man should BOAST.
HOWEVER salvation of the SOUL is worked out through fear and trembling.
Faith without WORKS is DEAD.
There is no reason to GLORIFY MARY mother of Jesus... because JESUS fullfilled every jot and tittle. which means HE HONORED his mother.. We are not to HONOR institutions either. THE CHURCH whether it be "catholic" or any other denomination. JESUS CHRIST IS LORD!
I think the WOMAN clothed with the SON would more likely be the true-CHURCH (bride) who leaves behind a SEED during the TRIBULATION. WHy not make WAR with the WOMAN??? maybe because the woman is already GONE? Do not PUT faith in any other but JESUS christ and if he is the HEAD of TWO MADE ONE (mary) since CHRIST BEGAT himself... then you will have MARY covered as well... You still havn't given me a reference for believing that MARY will protect you.... stop calling others false prophets...
The Woman is NOT gone! The Raptured ARE gone! TWO SEPARATE GROUPS!!! BOTH keep the Commandments. I call them "Catholic" and "Protestant" for lack of better terms. Jesus warned about MANY false prophets in the end times. ANYONE who claims that the "Woman clothed with the sun" represents "Israel" is a false prophet. Mary's protection is under HIDDEN symbolism (555 vs 666). Women must ALWAYS be mysterious. That's why our decadent western culture keeps trying to strip women naked!
no our western culture is allowing women more AUTHORITY than they should have BECAUSE they CHOOSE to GET naked for that trade of authority...... I was asking you WHY the DRAGON WAS WROTH with the WOMAN (and her absence) and ATTACKED HER SEED INSTEAD OF HER? It makes more sense to attack her than the seed.... but since the woman is already taken waring with the SEEDis the only option left...
The virgin mary is the PROTECTOR? do you have some biblical reference for that? She was chosen as the BRIDE "microcosmally" but explain to me this because it sound eerily deceptive.
In Revelation chapter 12, the "Woman clothed with the sun" is Mary, and, by extension, the Catholic Church (her seed). In 12:17, the Dragon (Satan) makes war with the "remnant of her seed which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ". This means that some Catholics will be protected with Mary in the desert, some will continue to battle the Antichrist, while still others will undoubtedly die as martyrs. All this while 144,000 Protestants will be raptured in heaven.
I was to understand that some that endure to the END are to be JOINT-heirs with christ that being said... Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of many... that being said her SEED isn't the CATCHOLIC church but the REBORN SONS OF MAN. Why would the REMNANT that gets LEFT in the TRIBULATION be the ones who were keeping the COMMANDMENTS else they would have been caught up in the RAPTURE... provided being CAUGHT up isn't actually being GATHERED as a TARE.
how are we to question the POTTER? I am NOT NOR have I EVER been in charge of my life (although I was decieved)... Jesus directs my paths... and he always has.... EVERY knee shall BOW and EVERY tongue confess... THEN HELL will be destroyed... EVEN YOU WHO ARE WICKED know how to give good things to your children then what of your HOLY FATHER? (GOD=IAM=JESUS=LOVE) Jesus BEGAT himself... YOU UNDERSTAND? JESUS IS THE CONSUMING FIRE... know what the significance of BRIMSTONE (SULFER) is>??!!!!!!!!
well those on the HOUSE that were caught up in (apostsia or RAPTURE?) they experienced the first six verses of TRIBULATION did they not? So you advocate a MID-TRIB?
Arn't the TARES supposed to be gathered first for burning?
Doesn't it say that those who endure to the END are to be saved?
Ten thousand to one side and the other side or something like that?
Why does the idea of RAPTURE intrigue everyone... isn't it selfish to not want to suffer for his name sake so that every last one is saved
actually JESUS said he was the I AM of moses burning bush... so in essence he did require animal sacrifice.... even if it were only to forshadow his coming as baby Jesus.
If only 36,000 are raptured from each of the 4 groups ,and in verse 22 where it states :But for the sake of the elect,those days shall be shortened , and "the elect" in which you believe are the converted jews , well, that means ONLY 36,000 people from the other three groups will be saved whether or not they go through the tribulation . Am I correct in this ? Please correct me if I've misunderstood . 144,000 is not many ...even 144,000 churches (worldwide) would still be very few
mikeysback70 1 year ago
@mikeysback70 There are 144,000 from EACH of the four groups: 144,000 raptured Protestants (Rev 14:3), 144,000 converted Jews (Rev. 7:4) and 144,000 holy martyrs (Rev 14:1). St. John does not enumerate the number of protected Catholics but undoubtedly it is also 144,000.
thirdeaglebooks 1 year ago
the abomination of desolation is the beast statue in the holy place.
megaman2160 2 years ago
Now i have a question i always wanted to know. what will happen to the children during these end times? will all the children be raptured so they wont be here during the tribulation? i always wanted to know about children during these end times
megaman2160 2 years ago
I've never found any differentiation between children and adults in Daniel, Revelation or the Olivet Discourse.
thirdeaglebooks 2 years ago
h20ENTHUSIAST, -- The Rosary is NOT vain repitition, in Matt. 6:7 it uses the word ''VAIN''..........denoting babbling or speaking without thinking, read 1 Kings 18: 26-29 for a good understanding then read Eccl. 5:2.......We are to be reverential and think of the weight and magnitude of our prayers. That is why Catholics CONTEMPLATE when praying the Rosary.
camelhawk 2 years ago
where in the bible does it tell you to repeat prayer?
when the angels sing holy holy holy I would say this is praising not praying.
so where does it say to repeat prayer?
fg1fg 2 years ago
Prayer can take many forms and one of these is praise. In fact, if you check the Wiki definition of prayer, "praise" is the FIRST definition. Jesus said "do not repeat your prayers like the HEATHEN". Jesus actually commended the persistent widow who kept appealing to the judge until he finally said "I will grant her request otherwise she will wear me out." Most people will admit that if they ever get into a really serious spot they will repeat a prayer over and over such as "Jesus help me."
thirdeaglebooks 2 years ago
Rev 3:21 KJV) To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
the entire CHURCH is not RAPTUREd at once... and the MARRIAGE SUPPER of the LAMB is during the milennial reign.
Why three groups of people in the PARABLE of the HARVEST that all recieve the same reward? Because there is three groups of people. WHY teach people how to BE one of the groups to suffer tribulation? KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
Only a tiny fraction of the Church will be raptured (144,000). 99.9 per cent must go through the tribulation. The marriage supper of the Lamb occurs in heaven DURING the tribulation, and then these raptured Protestants, along with the holy martyrs, will return with Jesus and join with the protected Catholics at the battle of Armageddon.
thirdeaglebooks 3 years ago
WRONG!.... THE BRIDE of CHRIST is REPRESENTED as the 4 angels in heaven with 4 heads or whatever.... The bridesmaids are the CHURCH RAPTURED... and MARTYRS AND that get rewards for being "overcomer" and the REWARDS are crown of life... so on and so forth there are 5 of them i think.
converted JEWs before tribulation and BEFORE antichrist revealed at 3.5 are JEWS but OF THE CHURCH that GET INTO the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. SAVE THIER SOULS not by GRACE but by good works through FAITH.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
5. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Those who are in the BOOK OF LIFE aren't merely saved spiritually but their souls are saved BY GOOD WORKS THROUGH FAITH... HOWEVER those WHO DO GOOD WORKS BUT ARE NOT FAITHFULLY AWAITING CHRISTS RETURN ARE LEFT TO EXPERIENCE TRIBULATION that they may be TRIED AS IF BY FIRE!
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
I believe even the nation of ISLAM has a role to play... albeit one that involves much humility.
They Reject Christ the same as the JEWS. But it is JUST as BAD to ADD diety where it doesn't belong By the Catholic Church.!
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
(Rev 12 KJV) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: {2} And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. {3} And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron:and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
The moon under her feet probably signifies her power and authority of the REBELLIOUS ASSES that were ISHMEALs Descendants....
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
exalt yourself and be humbled humble yourself and be exalted....
I hope to be important and useful in the EYES of JESUS but I do not claim it.
Think of everyone as better than yourself. You obviously have studied and know more than I do..... But I will not be hoping for "mother mary's" protection... if you cannot give me a scriptural verse for doing so....
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
Let me be clear, I am not smarter than anyone else. I have had ZERO theological training. My role as the Co-Prophet of the End Times is a gift from the Holy Spirit. I give God all the edit. When I retired as an Engineer from the Ethan Allen furniture company in 2002, I fully expected to enjoy my retirement bass fishing. I cannot explain Mary's role in defeating the Antichrist any better than I already have. The 555 pattern in verses 27-41 is extremely important. They signify THE ROSARY.
thirdeaglebooks 3 years ago
The woman does not represent Mary, Christ or the Church. The description of the woman is an allusion to Genesis 37:9-11, where these heavenly bodies represent Jacob and Rachael as the father and mother of the nation of Israel, and the eleven stars represent the eleven brothers of Joseph. The crown of 12 stars represents the rule over the nation of Israel through the patriarchs of the 12 tribes of Israel.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
In the Old Testament, Israel is often represented as the wife of Jehovah, and she is represented as an unfaithful wife. Here the woman represents the godly remnant of Israel who is faithful to God. This remnant of faithful Jews was the mother to the Church when it was established at the time of Christ, and it will be closely associated with the Church during the first half of the tribulation period.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
The Woman "clothed with the sun" cannot possibly be Israel because her "seed" (spiritual children) have the "testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. 12-17). Not one person in Israel for 2000 years has the "testimony of Jesus Christ". No one in Israel today has the "testimony of Jesus Christ". For 2000 years the Catholic Church has labored to bring Christ to the world, not Israel. No one in Israel even CLAIMS to be The Woman. How can Israel be The Woman if they do not even WANT the honor?
thirdeaglebooks 3 years ago
Isreal REJECTED Christ... therefore Jesus came also for the Gentiles... ISREALS SEED is the CHURCH. If ISREAL had not been GOD's CHOSEN people then the CHURCH age would have never happened... hence the church would have never GROWN to be the PROUD TREE from the humble MUSTARD seed BUSH.... you ever heard of a MUSTARD TREE? and ISREAL will have the TESTIMONY of JESUS CHRIST 144,000 to be exact at the MAIN harvest Rapture (midtrib) not FIRST FRUITS PRETRIB or SHEEP GOATS POSTTRIB!!
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
The CATHOLIC CHURCH does not labor to bring CHRIST to the WORLD.CHRIST LABORED TO BRING HIMSELF TO THE WORLD. BLASPHEMY.
MARY LABORED TO BRING CHRIST INTO THE WORLD, but SHE is A SERVANT she is NOT to be glorified..
Or here is wisdom..... Every bit of GLORY you GIVE to the BRIDE of CHRIST... or to MARY will be rejected by them and GIVEN to JESUS ANYWAY...
IT IS FUTILE to PUT YOUR TRUST into anything other than JESUS CHRIST.
What you speak of is putting a stumbling BLOCK in front of saints.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
For 2000 years the Catholic Church has brought Jesus to the world through the Eucharist and the Gospel! The 144,000 converted Jews will indeed have the testimony of Jesus Christ, but not the rest of Israel. Also, the converted Jews will NOT be raptured. The remnant Protestants will be raptured, the remnant Catholics will be protected in the desert, and the converted Jews will flee to the mountains. I agree, the Woman DOES represent CONVERTED Jews, from the early Church Fathers to these last.
thirdeaglebooks 3 years ago
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I will explain Blasphemy for you. Nothing the CHURCH does is without the FATHER. So to give the CHURCH the glory for "bringing JESUS" to the world is blasphemy. FOR GOD SO LOVED THE world that 'HE' (meaning GOD) Gave his only begotten son that whosoever beliefeth in him might not perish but have eternal life.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
ALL OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS IS OF FILTHY RAGS and NO ONE is HIS OWN... NOR does anybody do anything outside the SOVREIGNITY of GOD! ISAIAH 45:7
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
The 144,000 Jews will be SEALED up in their foreheads.. and the WRATH of GOD does not COMMENCE until this is SO (exactly midtrib when antichrist is reveled to the JEWS! abomination of DESOLATION). Any JEW converted after midtrib that Becomes a MARTYR becomes a PART of the CHURCH..any JEW THAT CONVERTS and SURVIVES (is saved) then enters the EARTHLY portion of KINGDOM of GOD and recieves a reward based on the POUNDS (not talents) given him. SEE parable of RIGHTEOUS LORD who Pays workers the SAME!
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
I can't disagree with you on this statement because you are right on, except to add that the conversion of the Jews begins at the START of the 7 years of tribulation with the return of Enoch and Elijah and continues for 3 1/2 years until they are assassinated in Jerusalem. Please note that 144,000 Jews represent only a TINY FRACTION of Israel. The nation of Israel itself will WELCOME the Antichrist and his abomination of desolation. Israel will NOT be invaded, as the false prophets claim.
thirdeaglebooks 3 years ago
Welcom at the beginning of 7 years... and the ones to become MARTYRS will reject at 3.5 years....
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
The point is...666 is number of MAN. 7 of COmpletion. 555 whether it be a roseary or any other such thing of MARY... (albeit number of woman?)IS of little consequence. What you teach about the rosary is misleading and it is due to the fact that you have judged others as "false prophets"... Now repent. Your FAITH is in the LORD JESUS CHRIST not in PrAYER BEADS. And the BIBLE says that those who do not OVERCOME the catholic CHURCH must endure TRIBULATION!
Thyatira 606-End Papal, corrupt, ritual
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
In fact the CHURCH at THYATIRA is the WOMAN who LEAVENS (false doctrine)WHICH i thought you already UNDERSTOOD as I have already POSTED IT. The catholic church took the "3" measures of MEAL message of the TRINITY and CORRUPTED IT! Enduring to the END is holding on to the DOCTRINE that you were GIVEN... OVERCOMING which is BETTER is learning the DECEPTION that you have been subject to.Overcomers get REWARDED.. simply enduring.. makes you a servant who was NOT watching for CHRIST RETURN FAITHFULLY
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
Mat 24:50-51 (KJV) The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51 And shall cut him asunder, (i.e., separate him) and appoint him his portion (i.e., measured amount) with the hypocrites (i.e., those who pretend to be more spiritual than they are): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
It's really amazing that St. John the Apostle could foresee this great division in Christianity between Catholic and Protestant nearly 2000 years ago. He also prophesies that a remnant from BOTH groups will reign during the millennium along with the holy martyrs and the converted Jews. I'm not asking you to pray the Rosary, but, by the same token, please don't ask me to stop. Regarding the false prophets, Jesus warned there would be MANY in these end times. We must TEST the spirits.
thirdeaglebooks 3 years ago
Prayer beads ARE for COUNTING PRAYERS and FOR saying a prayer a GIVEN number of times and too keep count so as not to forget where you are in your PRAYERS....
BUT THE BIBLE SAYS DO NOT REPEAT YOUR PRAYERS OVER AND OVER LIKE THE HEATHENS DO.... BUT KNOW THAT YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN HEARS YOU...
MATTHEW 6:7
The ROSERY is NOT OF GOD.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
If repetition of prayer is so bad, why do the angels in heaven sing "holy, holy, holy"? Or why does Jesus commend the poor widow who the judge finally listens to only because she REPEATS her petition over and over until she "wears him out". In this oratorio "Messiah", the great composer Handel repeats the phrase "Halleujah" at least 50 times. No one has ever accused Handel of being a "heathen". The HAIL MARY does come from God through the archangel Gabriel spoken to Mary at the Annunciation.
thirdeaglebooks 3 years ago
Praise is different than praise.
What is the scripture then?
That is the widow who is seperated at the rapture... one becomes bride of christ... the other is seperated like a foolish virgin... AGAIN you teach people how to "hold fast" but your message is twisted with a hidden leaven that will force you to have to GO through tribultion in order for your prayers to "wear him out". You dont teach Catholics how to "overcome".... The poor widow wouln't be in that condition if she'd heeded.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
Praise is different that PRAYER... excuse me.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
The HAIL MARY IS PRAISE and the most amazing prayer in the Bible because the PRAISE comes FROM GOD TO MARY: HAIL MARY, FULL OF GRACE, THE LORD IS WITH YOU, BLESSED ARE YOU AMONG WOMEN, AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF YOUR WOMB. Jesus worked his very first miracle through Mary's intercession. It may be humbling to praise a woman, but if God can do it, so can I.
thirdeaglebooks 3 years ago
I asked for the scripture.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
Since we started this dialogue, h20, one thing has become obvious to me: the Blessed Mother is after your heart. STOP KICKING AGAINST THE GOAD. If you don't like repetition, I dare you: say ONE Hail Mary every day and let Mary do the rest. Regarding scripture, Jesus explains some things in parables rather than commands, such as His story of the persistent widow. Jesus also said, "Unless you become as little children you cannot enter heaven". No child asks his father for something just once!
thirdeaglebooks 3 years ago
the obedient child asks only once and accepts the answer.
the father knows best... and his ability to give whatever is asked...
and in the Hail MARY who are you speaking to?
WHat are you asking for?
Because YOU should be asking the father.... not mary.
THE scriptures say you are not to be repeatitious... NOT ME!!!!!!!
get over yourself.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
AND WHAT IS THE SCRIPTURE!
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
Give me the scripture that says you SHOULD repeat your prayers over and over again like a heathen?
Because I have already given you one that disagrees.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
The parable of the leaven runs parallel with the message to the church of Thyatira in Revelation 2:18-29. Leaven in the Scriptures is always used symbolically to represent evil, sin and false doctrine. Leaven is never used for anything good in the Bible. One in a TENthousand women I HAVE NOT FOUND!
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
salvation of the SPIRIT is by the sanctification that is in Christ JESUS and is NOT of WORKS lest any man should BOAST.
HOWEVER salvation of the SOUL is worked out through fear and trembling.
Faith without WORKS is DEAD.
There is no reason to GLORIFY MARY mother of Jesus... because JESUS fullfilled every jot and tittle. which means HE HONORED his mother.. We are not to HONOR institutions either. THE CHURCH whether it be "catholic" or any other denomination. JESUS CHRIST IS LORD!
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
Else you will be judged by the same measure.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
I think the WOMAN clothed with the SON would more likely be the true-CHURCH (bride) who leaves behind a SEED during the TRIBULATION. WHy not make WAR with the WOMAN??? maybe because the woman is already GONE? Do not PUT faith in any other but JESUS christ and if he is the HEAD of TWO MADE ONE (mary) since CHRIST BEGAT himself... then you will have MARY covered as well... You still havn't given me a reference for believing that MARY will protect you.... stop calling others false prophets...
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
The Woman is NOT gone! The Raptured ARE gone! TWO SEPARATE GROUPS!!! BOTH keep the Commandments. I call them "Catholic" and "Protestant" for lack of better terms. Jesus warned about MANY false prophets in the end times. ANYONE who claims that the "Woman clothed with the sun" represents "Israel" is a false prophet. Mary's protection is under HIDDEN symbolism (555 vs 666). Women must ALWAYS be mysterious. That's why our decadent western culture keeps trying to strip women naked!
thirdeaglebooks 3 years ago
no our western culture is allowing women more AUTHORITY than they should have BECAUSE they CHOOSE to GET naked for that trade of authority...... I was asking you WHY the DRAGON WAS WROTH with the WOMAN (and her absence) and ATTACKED HER SEED INSTEAD OF HER? It makes more sense to attack her than the seed.... but since the woman is already taken waring with the SEEDis the only option left...
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
The virgin mary is the PROTECTOR? do you have some biblical reference for that? She was chosen as the BRIDE "microcosmally" but explain to me this because it sound eerily deceptive.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
In Revelation chapter 12, the "Woman clothed with the sun" is Mary, and, by extension, the Catholic Church (her seed). In 12:17, the Dragon (Satan) makes war with the "remnant of her seed which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ". This means that some Catholics will be protected with Mary in the desert, some will continue to battle the Antichrist, while still others will undoubtedly die as martyrs. All this while 144,000 Protestants will be raptured in heaven.
thirdeaglebooks 3 years ago
I was to understand that some that endure to the END are to be JOINT-heirs with christ that being said... Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of many... that being said her SEED isn't the CATCHOLIC church but the REBORN SONS OF MAN. Why would the REMNANT that gets LEFT in the TRIBULATION be the ones who were keeping the COMMANDMENTS else they would have been caught up in the RAPTURE... provided being CAUGHT up isn't actually being GATHERED as a TARE.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
how are we to question the POTTER? I am NOT NOR have I EVER been in charge of my life (although I was decieved)... Jesus directs my paths... and he always has.... EVERY knee shall BOW and EVERY tongue confess... THEN HELL will be destroyed... EVEN YOU WHO ARE WICKED know how to give good things to your children then what of your HOLY FATHER? (GOD=IAM=JESUS=LOVE) Jesus BEGAT himself... YOU UNDERSTAND? JESUS IS THE CONSUMING FIRE... know what the significance of BRIMSTONE (SULFER) is>??!!!!!!!!
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
well those on the HOUSE that were caught up in (apostsia or RAPTURE?) they experienced the first six verses of TRIBULATION did they not? So you advocate a MID-TRIB?
Arn't the TARES supposed to be gathered first for burning?
Doesn't it say that those who endure to the END are to be saved?
Ten thousand to one side and the other side or something like that?
Why does the idea of RAPTURE intrigue everyone... isn't it selfish to not want to suffer for his name sake so that every last one is saved
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago
actually JESUS said he was the I AM of moses burning bush... so in essence he did require animal sacrifice.... even if it were only to forshadow his coming as baby Jesus.
h20Enthusiast 3 years ago