Controlled Demolition of Wachovia Building Midtown Atlanta

[Themadfarter1976]

Sounds good, thanks for the information.

[Themadfarter1976]

Is it really that cold in September in Atlanta to be wearing sweaters and coats?

[MikeSchinkel]

It was 1 day from October and around 8am in the morning, so yes it was cold.

[Themadfarter1976]

I was only asking because I'm moving there soon, and it sounds good to me that it gets cool that early in the year for the South. It sounds like Atlanta really does have seasons. Which is great!!!!!

[MikeSchinkel]

Seasons? Oh yeah... a lot more than I would like.

We have four full seasons even though some people feel like we don't have winter because we aren't -20F for 2 months. :)

Basically December to February can hover between 40F down to 20F, and dips down to 10F or even 0F. June through August it gets hot. The rest of the year is great.

HTH.

[bubba5000]

I blame Osama Bin Laden.

[pwalpar]

Awesome video, wish I had went up to see it happen.

[mephisto250]

I liked the part where the building fell down.

[ls1z28chris]

1:47 That lady likes to feel a blast, huh...?

[fivebythree]

LOL - 3:07 mary kay!!

[MikeSchinkel]

?!?

[okedoke1234]

w w w (dot) ae911truth (dot) info - Here is the TRUTH about "architects and engineers for 911 truth"!

[flowergirls100]

cool

[okedoke1234]

Hey Mike, here is some good reading. Interested in your thoughts on this.

wtc7lies(dot)googlepages(dot)c­om/Ryan_Mackey_Griffin_NIST_Re­view_1_1.doc

[MikeSchinkel]

That this is 192 pages long! I unfortunately don't have the time to try to consume all that. If it were a 10 page executive summary maybe...

[okedoke1234]

OK. It seems you have an excuse for everything I attempt to present to you. Interesting. Carry on then.

[MikeSchinkel]

Sheesh. I have a life, which includes other things besides fixating on this issue. If I had time I would probably build a website about it all, but I don't have the time; I have to make a living. So please don't insult me.

[okedoke1234]

There you go Mike, you just summed up the CTist movement perfectly. No one has any time to look at anything that might bring into question their theories. They only have time for a 3 minute youtube video, and then they are instant experts! I am saddened by the death of critical thinking in this country.

[ThEpErsOnLiGHts]

sad we have to see other buildings demolished to break out of the programming we had about 9-11, we've been put out of action and can only be dumb or fascinated about the propaganda matrix, if you form a group you'll be infiltrated by intelligencia before you know it, if you protest you'll get beated and no one takes protesting seriously anymore for it had been successfully neutralized in america,

[MikeSchinkel]

@ThEpErsOnLiGHts: Amen.

[okedoke1234]

Well Mike I've tried several times. I'm done here. You have fun here on the woefully inadequate YouTube comment section. Impossible to have a real discussion with a character limit. You know where I'll be, ready to discuss your theories.

[MikeSchinkel]

I understand. Unfortunately I simply don't have time to explore my concerns with a group who have already made up their mind to oppose any such exploration. Too bad, because if the official story is a cover up it's likely to happen again, next time only worse.

[okedoke1234]

Mike- Come on over to the JREF Forums, conspiracy board. Just google JREF Forum. No name calling or obscenity allowed. Just good discussion among a lot of folks about 9/11. And no 500 character limit.

[MikeSchinkel]

Thanks for the invite but I don't think so. I didn't see a anypne arguing against the official story, only lots people congratulating each other over ion of self-styled "debunking" and at few too many comments like "Operation Wingnut Cracker", "the insanity of the "'trooth movement'", etc. to believe they know how to be respectful of others. Discussing 9/11 there would declaring there are no such thing as witches in Salem; no room for an honest analysis and the lynch mob would come out in force.

[okedoke1234]

So now I'm blocked?

Typical.

[MikeSchinkel]

You are blocked? I didn't block you (at least if I did I didn't do on purpose, might have clicked a wrong button.) Why do you think you are blocked?

[okedoke1234]

I was not blocked. My mistake.

[okedoke1234]

No, Mike, it is not evidence and has been debunked. I cannot and will not get into this due to youtube's ridiculous 500 character limit here. Thank you for allowing me to speak, most CTists block you. I ask once more to come to IMDB and have a discussion about it with no character limit. My username there is USAFMXOfficer_2007.

[MikeSchinkel]

@okedoke1234: The various official reports have been debunked too. All we ask for is an independent investigation. Is that too much to ask?

[MikeSchinkel]

Oh, btw, I'm not a "Conspiracy Theorist" which is a phrase used in ad-hominem attacks used to discredit anyone who asks questions rather than address those questions. I'm a rational thinker who has concerns that the official story is not as credible as *some* of what people call "the conspiracy theories." All I want is for an independent investigation to be performed.

[MikeSchinkel]

@okedoke1234: BTW, I just went over to IMDB to check out the discussion but there is far too much disrespectful name-calling for my tastes. I try my best to only engage in respectful debates but it clearly wasn't respectful over at IMDB for this topic so forgive me but I won't be wasting my time over there.

[MikeSchinkel]

@okedoke1234: I don't get the vehemence of the "debunkers." It's as if debunkers take questions about 9/11 as personal attacks. When I see such as an intense emotional response to something that should be analyzed pragmatically it makes me either suspicious or it removes my ability to respect those who react. Continued...

[MikeSchinkel]

...continued. If someone can't dispassionately discuss issues I believe they are either guilty or define their own self-esteem with the issue. For all I know debunkers might be operatives tasked to squelch dissent or more likely their verbal defense of the USA has previously been so vigorous that learning otherwise would eliminate meaning from their lives and be too much to handle emotionally. Otherwise I can't understand why "debunkers" fight so hard to "debunk."

[okedoke1234]

Mike - And this 500 character limit on youtube sucks. If you really want to discuss it with folks that have been looking at this from both sides, for quite awhile, come on over to IMDB dot com, the World Trade Center movie forum.

[okedoke1234]

Mike - WHAT EVIDENCE? There is no valid evidence pointing to a CD. If there were evidence, I would be glad to look it over. Speculation is not evidence. Looking or sounding like something is not evidence.

[MikeSchinkel]

@okedoke1234: What evidence? Did you not read the report? Molten metal flowing and in pools, Sulfidation of the steel, Plume-timing during collapse, early drop of north tower antenna, eyewitness accounts of flashes & explosions, Rapid collapse vs. Conservation of Momentum and Energy, Flames from Jet Fuel lasting only minutes. And that's just a few. Or is this not "evidence" to you? If so, I ask what "evidence" do you need to question the official report?

[okedoke1234]

(...continued) Mike, have you read any portions of the NIST report, Griffin's sorry rebuttal, or Mackey's response? I have. Just because something "looks" like a CD doesn't mean it is. Same theory applies to things that sound like explosions.

[okedoke1234]

(...continued) No Mike, the facts are WTC conspiracy theories are built on lies and wild speculation. Point me to one peer-reviewed valid scientific explanation of the WTC collapses other than the NIST report. Come on over to the IMDB forum for the WTC movie and discuss it with all of us. We'd be glad to have you.

[MikeSchinkel]

@okedoke1234: One peer-reviewed journal is journalof911studies dot com. Wish I could hang out on IMDB but if I thought it would change enough minds I would. But my guess is that if CD is fact (I don't know for sure, that's why I call for an investigation) you and others like you are invested in denying it and are predisposed to never to accept any valid evidence, so why bother wasting my breath any more than here?

[okedoke1234]

Mike - Please present this "evidence" you speak of pointing to a CD. I too am a degreed engineer, I have read large portions of the NIST report, Griffin's response, and Mackey's awesome response to Griffin. Have you? Conspiracy theories are built on wild speculation and nothing more.

[MikeSchinkel]

@okedoke1234: Please review the report by Steven Jones at URL path "25ynar" of tinyurl dot com. It was that report that had me go from a believer in the official story to someone who thinks that CD is likely and that we need an independent review. Please refute point-by-point Jone's report, if you can. I would ask that you consider each point with an open mind.

[jakeknotthead]

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[Izzykrazie]

hm reminds me of 9/11

[bopn]

de ja vu

[MikeSchinkel]

Why did you think I was so interested in filming it, and in seeing this building come down? '-)

[bopn]

Good job bro. Were there many comments on scene?

[Kameelyun]

9/11 was an inside job, no question about it

[bopn]

The question is how many people know.

[Kameelyun]

In august 2006, a Scripps-Howard scientific poll concluded that 16% of Americans, as of then, believed the WTC was felled with explosives. Maybe the number is 20% now.

[bopn]

interesting. 16-20% Know the truth

[Kameelyun]

I also am curious as to whether there were any 9/11 comments upon the demolition of the Wachovia building.

[bopn]

Yes I mean why should there be?!

[omwebb]

How dumb do you have to be to watch this video and not notice how loud the explosions are? And how absent those sounds are from video records of the collapse of the first WTC tower?

[bopn]

How dumb do you have to be to ignore the hundreds of earwitness testimonies from sources such as FDNY, NYPD, Journalists and civilians alike of explosions going off inside the buildings prior to the collapse.

[omwebb]

If they were anywhere near this loud, they would have been captured in video from reporters at the base of the building. As quiet as the reported sounds must have been, I guess they would be more consistent with initial pancaking inside the outer frame, before any noticeable collapsing.

[xdamousex]

you mean the same eyewitnesses who reported that a car bomb blew up in front of the state department in DC? face it, buddy, eyewitness reports in the immdiate aftermath of such an event are notoriously inaccurate

[bopn]

Well obviously not. New York is a long way from DC

[MikeSchinkel]

Which videos are you referring to? Many of the ones I've watched of 9/11 did have loud explosions just before the collapse. See whatreallyhappened (dot) com/IMAGES/wtc_firefighters_ex­plosion.wmv for one of many examples.

[omwebb]

Youtube user Einsteen used to have a video titled "South Tower Collapse" that showed very clearly what I'm talking about, but I pointed it out in the comments and he took the video down.

[MikeSchinkel]

"showed very clearly what I'm talking about"

Showed very clearly what?

[omwebb]

Comments are limited to 500 characters, so you'll have to follow the thread, or see the video from Einsteen I just reposted, "South Tower Collapse", when it finishes processing.

[MikeSchinkel]

I watched your video. The commentator said "A huge explosion, now it's reigning debris on all of us" after a muffled explosion in the background. Note there were several buildings between him and the towers to muffle the sound, in my video there were none.

[omwebb]

"... there were several buildings between him and the towers ..." Okay, well, I would just suggest everyone who reads what you just wrote come look at my video and decide for yourself whether they can clearly see the top of the WTC south tower, where the collapse started, and whether they hear the supposed "muffled detonations". I think the evidence speaks pretty well for itself.

Anyway, good job catching this demolition. I saw it from across the street, but I started recording too late.

[MikeSchinkel]

Sadly, people believe what they want to believe. One of us is being deceived; maybe its me, or maybe its you? If I'm wrong, no big deal. But if you are wrong, consider what future actions might be justified by another "terrorist" attack?

What about YouTube video?: v=PWgSaBT9hNUMaybe

And what about Steven Jone's work? Can you discredit it?

That said, you are in Atlanta? I was there 30 minutes in advance to film, much earlier than I usually rise.

[omwebb]

The same argument is often used to defend specific religions -- "If the atheist is wrong, he goes to hell, but if the Christian is wrong, nothing bad happens to him." That argument might have been reasonable before the Bush administration demonstrated just how costly it can be to life your life on false ideology. Also, you can use it to defend any conspiracy theory, however groundless, so by that logic you should accuse everyone of being behind everything bad. (continued next comment)

[MikeSchinkel]

As someone distrustful of organized religious, I can definitely appreciate that perspective. However, there is a difference between those who say "You just have to have faith" and those who say "The evidence appears to support an alternate conclusion." There *are* kooks who have crazy 9/11 theories, but there is a subset who have very plausible concerns IMO. What that subset is asking for is a truly independent investigation so the facts can be determined once and for all. (continued...)

[MikeSchinkel]

(...continued) There are too many well-credentialed people claiming the official story is not plausible and there are too many facts coming to light that are inconsistent. I don't hold a specific belief related to 9/11 other than there is no other known plausible explanation for all the evidence than controlled demolition. Who did it or why, I can only guess. So what I want is for the questions to be asked and a real independent investigation to occur. (continued...)

[MikeSchinkel]

(...continued) My fears are if 9/11 *was* orchestrated by people in our government to gain support for war in IRAQ they might do it again to gain support for bombing IRAN. There are heavy ideologues in our government who still think they had the right idea to invade and occupy IRAQ, and I don't trust them to realize unilaterally attacking IRAN would be a catastrophe. Worse, they've changed the laws so that they could easily impose martial law in the event of "another 9/11." (continued...)

[MikeSchinkel]

(...continued) I dreadfully hope I'm wrong but I'm half expecting that the USA will "experience another major terrorist attack" somewhere between July and October 2008, this time nuclear, after which Cheney will orchestrate a rise to the presidency, cancel presidential elections, and impose martial law. If this does come to pass, or something even close to it, *then* you can talk about quicksand.

[omwebb]

As for Jones, I'm not going to step any further into the 9/11 quicksand than I already have. I watched the 615 demolition, missed it with my camera and spent much of the rest of that weekend scanning Youtube for other people's shots of it, and that was how I ran into this 9/11 conspiracy stuff, but since I had *just* seen an actual demolition, I was amazed people could draw parallels when the two events just sounded so dramatically different. That's as far as my interest in the subject goes.

[MikeSchinkel]

Respectfully speaking, I'd say you are being willfully ignorant. As a degreed engineer from Ga Tech I don't easily believe "conspiracy theories", especially without evidence. It wasn't until seeing Steven Jones even-handed treatment of the subject that I started researching, and since then I've found orders of magnitude more evidence supporting many of the "conspiracy theories" than the official account.

BTW, I appreciate your respectful discourse versus the name calling so common on YT.

[aussiestormer]

the same 16-20% that only have double digit iqs ?

[bopn]

Thats about right. Reminds me of stories of Germans living during the Reich. Eyes and ears open. Minds asleep.

[omwebb]

Ah, so that's why Bush is at 29% approval now? With all the enormous mistakes he's made on everything he's ever done, even as paranoid as he has been about installing people who are loyal to him rather than to the Constitution, I doubt he could pull off an emergency powers takeover in the event of another terrorist incident.

[bopn]

Check out infowars(.)com

[MikeSchinkel]

You overlook the Project for the New American Century and the fact that others besides Bush are sadly better as executing than he, such as Cheney. Cheney's problem is that ideology has gotten in his way, not his ability to execute a plan.

[Fizznfire12]

they blew up a building... why is everyone so excited?

[MikeSchinkel]

It was a *really* ugly building. ;-)

[Fizznfire12]

ah, ok :)

[stankinlincoln]

you should redo the title: "girls with a.d.d."

nice vid though

[cowman57]

nice sound quality

[MikeSchinkel]

All the way from Toronto! Thanks Dude!