Nice point lizard and yea hell is the moral version of prison but if i cant actout againt god in heaven anytime i wanted just because ifelt like it then that would also be a prison to me
Instead, you should be asking yourself;" “what is the purpose of acquiring knowledge about anything, when all knowledge, accomplishments, experiences, everyone, and everything, would be as if you, no one, and nothing had ever existed in the first place, if conscious existence ceases upon death, if God/s does not exist, thus atheism true.?
Your problem is hypothesizing of the Creator of all things existent, whilst attempting to resolve questions by using fallible limited logic, and supposing that said Creator would necessitate conformity and be under subjugation to your mere bleating creature fallible, feeble, limited, and fallacious logic.
The purpose of hell is a place for sinners to worship God. Since those who die in sin reject the idea of a loving Savior, God then allows the sinner to stand in judgement alone and face God for the crimes he or she commited against God. When judgement by God is made, hell will be the place people will spend eternity. God must punish sin and no sinner can be in the presence of God. Those who trust in Jesus Christ have their sins wiped away. Jesus paid their fine.
The purpose of hell is very simple ,it will be a bad suffering for really bad people ,some will come out of it in due time and some will stay in there forever.It is a punishment for bad people in the here after.WHO SAID THAT MUSLIMS DONOT BELIEVE IN JESUS? WE DO ,BELIEVE IN JESUS AND IN BIBLE AND IN HELL AND IN HEAVEN.
@humanistheart Good to hear from you after a long time.Do you want to continue the conversation about God remember ? you never replied to my question that what does the word God means? What about the people who believe in jesus and commit crimes like murders then Quran says that if you murder any person then only hell is the place for you forever.
@humanistheart Your short answer shows you dont want to reply to my question .It is fine if you dont know the meaning of God.This question ,i asked you because you asked me the meaning of Allah.Take an effort to find out the original word used in hebrew bible for God.cuz Allah is the original word in arabic for God ,derived exactly as it is from Quran.There must be something jesus called God in hebrew .That must be known.
OK this guy is completely messed up. You do not go to hell or heaven when you die number one. The bible says the dead know nothing. That is the whole point of jesus coming back duh.... secondly you do not burn forever!!!!!!!!!! You will parish in the lake of fire not burn forever. And the purpose of hell is to rid the earth of sin that is its purpose simply put. i like how he used prison. It is very similar to the death penalty. Those people are a danger to society and hell works the same way.
sorry i couldnt complete it all but it is alot more to it but that is the beginning read Isaiah 14:12-16 ( Its best to read the entire chapter but those verses highlight my point)
Purpose of Hell? I will try and explain it as quick and as best as I can. Hell was created for Lucifer and the fallen angels. So many ppl think Satan was an angel at once. The Truth is Lucifer was the angel that allowed satan ( a spirit that tries to exalt itself above God) to fill his heart ! once satan entered Lucifer he was then cast out of heaven and the other third of the fallen angels. Therefore if we are born in this world we must be Born again! To learn more check out my channel.
Did you read the Matthew 25.41? I'm sure you the type that didn't. Listen here boy..i know the truth..i don't need to convince you. I was trying to help you but you don't want help..you are angry..why i don't know. You sound like the type that's angry and big mouth here on you tube..? You sound like a lost boy who tries to lift himself here..i will pray for you my friend!!
Hell is seperation from God. Gehenna or Sheol is a physical place everyone goes, sinner or saint, upon physical death until eternal judgement upon Yeshua's returns. Either eternally dwelling with Him or eternally seperated from HIm. No literal fire.
@autofill67 There's a heck of a lot of fire mentions for it to be meant metaphorically. And on earth the further removed a country gets from christianity the more prosperous it becomes, so why would it be different in death?
God created hell not for the human race( Matthew 25:41) but sin made it possible. we need a saviour for sin so if you don't accept Jesus then you're sin will mean hell. Now God is Just and that's why he cant go back on his word so you're choice to not accept him will mean Hell whom wasn't created in the first place for you but after sin is a reality. But the loving God gave us a salvation route by coming to earth and dying for our sins so we can be saved.
@MineCraftFish1 It doesn't matter why hell was made? So a being creates a place of eternal torment and threatens people with it, and that doesn't matter to you?
@mosreloaded did god create sin or are you just stupid? God created sin. God made so sin can send u to hell. God created hell. God knows the present past and future, god knows people will go to hell. Can't get anymore clear than that. Everything is God's plan, and nothing goes beyond what god wants. I have scriptural evidence for all of these points. thus he wants people to go to hell. Plain and simple
What you dont realize is that this "hell" is the idea of your evil thoughts and doings. SATAN is the evil inside of you, not some demon sitting in "hell". An all loving god an all perfect god who loves us all, will NOT torture us in this "hell" because that defeats the very purpose of god, and that purpose is to love and to do more for others than yourself. What you do in this life does not matter, what you do to others does.
@humanistheart No, I believe in loving one another, helping one another, and and doing everything we can to preserve life and make this place a good place to live for us. God wants us to thrive in his love and light. I do not believe in religion. God didn't create hate, crime, murder, war...we did.
@lysenko133 "God wants us to thrive in his love and light. " The god of the judeo-christian bible is full of hate. So much hatred. He commits mass infanticide, genocide, allows slavery, child and spousal abuse, and arguably rape. How does one slaughter children lovingly? How does one rape women lovingly?
@BarelyAmerican You are very ignorant and single minded. God does not say what religion you need to be to be accepted. God accepts everyone no matter who or what they are. To be accepted is to call out for God, when you "die" hell is the absence of god, not a place of torture. Looks like you need to read the bible a couple times over.
by the way,,,these questions are not tough,,,the problem is that most people get their christian teaching from tv,,,most people in America are under a false assumption of what Christianity is all about and theyre all going to perish because of it,,,do u think GOD will understand when every person in America has a bible in their home but doesnt read it? these questions are easy its just that tv has warped your ideas ab GOD
the purpose of hell is PUNISHMENT,,,DAMNATION,,,,THIS IS FOREVER,,,BUT ITS ULTIMATE PURPOSE IS TO GLORIFY GOD,,,HE SAVES TO GLORIFY HIMSELF HE DAMNS TO GLORIFY HIMSELF,,,NOTHING IS DONE WITH YOUR HAPPINESS IN MIND,,,THIS IS GOD CENTERED NOT MAN CENTERED,,,YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU THINKEVERYTHING IS FOR MAN OR ABOUT MAN,,,ITS NOT,,,EVERYTHING IS ABOUT GOD AND THATS WHY MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HELL
Hell fits the third reason for punishment yo. There's nothing to be protected from in Heaven because the only things we need "protection" from are in Hell.
@carson01061995 Do something one being doesn't like and be tortured forever isn't merely punishment, it is the single most unethical thing humans have ever dreamed up.
@carson01061995 You're contradicting yourself. You said god doesn't torture people than you said you're own assertion is that god tortures people. Make up your mind there buddy.
@humanistheart *looks back through comments* um....dont think I ever said God tortures people....
And to elaborate on what you said earlier "Do something one being doesn't like and be tortured forever" is a misconception not just by claiming God tortures people. It's not that God went "oh...let me pick and choose whats allowed and screw you if you don't agree". God is the perfect standard for good, aka, Moral Law. Why do you think most of what God forbids is against the law in modern day govs?
@carson01061995 "God torturing people in hell is the assertion brother" Those were your words. You said the assertion is god tortures people. It was right before the comment of mine you're responding to, so I'm not sure how you missed it.
@carson01061995 No, that's a traditional christian theology, it's not my assertion, it's based on christian assertions. And you still never addressed how you think a genocidal, enslaving rapist is the source of 'morality'. Do what I say or else is not morality, it's tyranny.
@humanistheart Lol, okay, I'll give you that one. I personally blame Dante for his detailed (but completely inaccurate) description of hell that's become the base of most of our idea on the place. And to answer your question about genocide, enslaving, and raping, here's the short answer 1)you took it out of context 2)you didn't make the distinction between it being recorded and it being condoned 3)(and this depends on your translation especially King James) bad translation
@carson010 We can agree on that. Dante's inferno was a turning point in the conception of hell in christian theology,
1) No, you might be able to argue about the raping, I agree that is a moot point that we could debate till the cows come home, but the infanticides and genocides are real, well, biblically anyway. Yahweh instructs his people in several instances to destroy entire peoples, men, women, children, sometimes even livestock. That's genocide by definition. There's no wiggle room there
@humanistheart 1) I don't think you quite understood what I was saying. Let me use a metaphor (yay metaphors!!!!) what if I told you a man was cutting off another man's arm, what would you say about the man doing the cutting? You'd say he was a horrible person. Now what if I told you that the man was a doctor and he was cutting off the arm of the man who had gangrene who would have died otherwise? Now you would think the man was agreat person. See? All perspective
@carson01061995 1) Okay then, tell me how in any perspective raping women, killing infants, and committing mass genocide is not a bad thing.
2) Strickly speaking all things attributed to a god are false as there are not gods. But in the context of the biblical scriptures you either have to accept that the character Yahweh did those things are that its just fiction. You can't pick and choose.
@humanistheart First, two things: 1) Can you please tell me where it talks about the rape thing? 2) If I do explain it to you don't cop out in anyway. Just try to look at it from the Bible's perspective and from that tell me what you think of God's actions
@carson01061995 2) Condoned? Their god gives them laws on how to acquire slaves, and orders them to commit genocides. That's not just recording (an inaccurate word to begin with as this is fiction after all) it's condoning.
3) Sometimes translation can make a difference it's true, like thou shalt not murder rather than thou shalt not kill is a big difference, and I agree the KJV is horrible, but no matter how you translate it slavery and genocide are always present in the bibles.
@humanistheart 2) Wasn't talking about that specifically just that, in general, a lot of things attributed to God were not commanded not condoned by Him. 3) Again, wasn't taking about those two things
@humanistheart I'm saying that there are certain things in the Bible where translation changes the meaning but that those two specific things where not part of that.
@carson01061995 Alright this conversations been going for a while and I'm starting to loose track of it. My apologies. Where are we? I remember you saying that slavery wasn't condoned just allowed. I think you've accepted that the god of the bible does condone slavery as there's been no rebuttal, but then you said you were not talking about genocide or slavery. Where are we at?
@humanistheart What we have to realize is that context here is everything. This doesn't contradict God's justice or mercy but rather compliments it, as you'll see in a moment. In your world view, where there is no heaven or hell, Jesus never saved humanity, and the party that had been wiped out were moral cultures that God just said "I don't like you. Time to die." This makes for a god that is to be feared, not loved. But, that is not the case at all.
@humanistheart This context in this Bible is this: That these were a moral depraved people who slaughtered babies and committed rape as simple forms of worship. In addition to this they were completely devoted to the destruction of the Jews. Now, if God had been 'loving' and let them live, then the Jews die, Jesus isn't born, and humanity isn't saved. So His reasons are just. In addition He gave them time to repent and the innocent time to flee. Sometimes up to several centuries.
@carson010619 "This context in this Bible is this: That these were a moral depraved people who slaughtered babies and committed rape as simple forms of worship"
The problem there is that slaughtering babies and rapping women were things that, in the bibles, the hebrew people did at the command or the allowance of Yahweh. So you're saying two wrongs make a right. These people kill and rape, so we'll do it. The context does nothing ot improve the situation, & I odn't know why you thought it would
@humanistheart I think I explained the babies thing. They didn't do that as worship, they did it out of mercy. And again: can you please show me the text where God orders rape?
@humanistheart And in most cases (such as with Jericho) the innocent were spared anyways. In addition, even after all the innocent people had time to escape their fate over the years, they were still given one final offer to live before the Jews began attacking the city. At this point only those who were beyond salvation were left in the city.
@carson01061995 "And in most cases (such as with Jericho) the innocent were spared anyway"
I can, once again, give you several quotes where the hebrews are ordered to kill men women and children. Are you suggesting infants are not innocent? If you're going to say original sin don't bother.
@humanistheart What we don't think about is that if people where marching against your city and you were innocent you wouldn't just stay there and reject their offer to live. You would either A) flee the city or B) go "Yes, I would like to live". If they were either too stubborn or too stupid to do that then...idk
@humanistheart Now you say "But what of the children?" Although it sounds cruel, being killed young and going to heaven was better than growing up in a depraved culture where they would ultimately reject God and send themselves to Hell. So we see from all this that God is just and merciful and took no pleasure in any of this. So what's more moral, a God who lets a depraved culture who wipes out the chance for humanity's salvation live, or the God who wipes them out, and ultimately saves us all?
@carson01061995 "lthough it sounds cruel, being killed young and going to heaven was better than growing up in a depraved culture where they would ultimately reject God"
There are several problems with that argument. First of all, we're discussing the hebrew scripture. You want to discuss context, well in that context there was no heaven. Heaven doesn't get introduced until the NT, it's not part of the Hebrew scriptures or the jewish religions/culture.
@humanistheart But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. In the context of the Bible heaven is a real place and even if it weren't mentioned in the NT is was alluded to or mentioned multiple times in the OT. Just because it isn't mentioned specifically by name doesn't mean it didn't exists or they didn't believe in it.
@carson01061995 Additionally, you're suggesting that a being that you believe is all powerful and all knowing couldn't have found a better way than killing children. You know he could have just made all those people infertile and they would have died out as a people, rather than slaughtering them or children. And that's just off the top of the head of a person who's not all knowing. It's hard to imagine an all knowing being being that stupid isn't it?
@humanistheart I see your point but the result is the same isn't it? And by the time it took those people to die out they could have destroyed or corrupted the Jews.
@carson01061995 And finally, since this god was to have created hell in the first place, you're saying it's good he slaughtered children so he'd spare them the fate you created in the first place. That's hardly logical. There is no intelligence, morality, or mercy to be found there.
@carson01061995 "So what's more moral, a God who lets a depraved culture who wipes out the chance for humanity's salvation live, or the God who wipes them out, and ultimately saves us all?"
Saves us all form the torment he inflicts in the first place? It's like me saying If I don't kill you and you're children I'm going to rape you all for the rest of your lives than expecting thanks and understanding that I gave you the choice of death over rape. That's not good at all.
@carson01061995 Yes, I see you're point of view, I just don't think you've put enough serious thought into it, not when you argue that it's better to kill people to spare them from the torment that the killer created in the first place, when he didn't need to.
@humanistheart Ah, yes. Hell. Somehow it always comes back to this and I think it's because our view of Hell is wrong. First we need to establish that God doesn't have much of a choice concerning Hell. He loves us enough to respect our decision to reject Him. He can't just make us go to Heaven because that would objectify us. He can't give us a second chance because then we choose Him not out of love but out of fear. It has nothing to do with morality. It's simply us wanting to b with Him or not
@humanistheart In addition Hell is punishment but not punishing. Metaphor I like to use is my room. If I don't clean it then my punishment is that it's dirty. I don't want it but I will it by choosing not to clean it. If we reject God then our punishment is that we're no longer in His presence. We don't want it because the torment of Hell is the lack of God, not Him actually torturing us, but we will it by not wanting to be with Him.
@carson01061995 I'd suggest that's a false analogy. The difference is not cleaning a room has the natural result in our reality of remaining dirty. Hell is not a natural state as described in christian literature. Doing something god doesn't like and thus being cast to hell is not a naturally occurring instance, it's something that god decided. I would liken it more to the Nazi Germany of WW2. Choosing to try to help jews, in any capacity, would get a german killed. But is...
@humanistheart God only sends us to hell in the sense that He created a place for us to go to so He can honor our wish of rejecting Him. He doesn't torture nor does he torment anyone. It is the utter separation from Him, the one that we wanted, that makes it so utterly terrible. The pain isn't even physical
@carson01061995 ...being killed a natural result of helping jews? No, it was a man made consequence, just as being sent to hell would be a god made consequence that didn't need to happen, but was chosen to happen by said god. Not wanting to be with a god has nothing to do with being sent to heaven or hell either. And can you blame someone for not wanting to be near such a psychotic entity? If it's even half as evil as what's described in the bibles why would you want to be?
@humanistheart Look man, I think we should just agree to disagree. I've stated my argument as best as I can and you've done the same. My God is not an evil God, but the god you've made Him out to be is. This is just a cyclical and pointless argument and at this point I think we're just gonna repeat ourselves over and over. One of us is wrong, but I'm throwing my lot with the one who claimed to be God in human flesh, the one who created, loved, and saved us, and proved it. God bless bro^_^
@carson01061995 "I think we should just agree to disagree. " As you wish, there is a point where conversation becomes moot and the only mature thing to do is as you say agree to disagree.
"the one who created, loved" Do what I say or suffer is not love, its a threat. At any rate, good luck in your future endeavors.
@carson01061995 omg..there are people out there that actually read and understand what the bible says, Iam very glad I met you sir. I completely agree on what you said. I really was beginning to worry that not a single person actually tries to understand and not just accept what their pastor came up with that day.
@lysenko133 I was gettin a bit uneasy myself^_^ great to meet ya. I had some great friends and leaders in my life who really saved me a lot of time and trouble and helped me to realize you can never take anything people say at face value, ALWAYS go back to the Bible. I've also read more apologetics books than I care to name. Shoot me a message sometime, you sound like the kind of person I'd love to have deep, philosophical discussions with^_^
@carson01061995 "It's not that God went "oh...let me pick and choose whats allowed and screw you if you don't agree"." That I at least agree with, because that would require forethought this nameless thing you call god (calling your god god list like calling your dog dog by the way). No, it's based merely on his whims, which do not seem to have any prior thought to them.
@carson01061995 "God is the perfect standard for good, aka, Moral Law."
No, god based morality is meaningless. I actually have a video on my channel that explains it if you like. Is genocide perfect? Is slaughtering infants perfect? Is enslaving humans and raping women perfect? I would dare so not, and none of those things are legal in any civilized society, so no, god based morality is not perfect, it's nothing more than tyranny.
@humanistheart He doesn't....He's not....you're.....this is pointless. Your just pulling the same argument over and over again. The fact is this: that no logical, sound argument that puts God into a good light will be satisfactory for you because you 1) Don't believe in God 2) Don't want to believe in God. I have an answer for your argument but you would just accuse it of being a cop out so why bother?
@carson01061995 "He doesn't....He's not....you're.....this is pointless." One can only imagine what parts of my posts you were addressing with that.
Have you made anything that puts your nameless god in a good light? *looks back through comments*. No, no you haven't.
Yes, I'm sure you're 'answer' would be something like, well he has a plan! So genocides okay! Or, well, humans do things he doesn't like, so killing children is fine!
@humanistheart Yes, I have put Him in good light, you just won't accept that. Hence: this is pointless. And no, that wasn't what I was going to say. And if it was, at least it takes less faith to believe in the sovereignty of God than it does to believe in spontaneous life, the universe being created out of nothing, and the Moral Law is just a myth.
@carson01061995 "Yes, I have put Him in good light, you just won't accept that. " Name one thing you said that would put your nameless thing in a good light.
"at least it takes less faith to believe in the sovereignty of God than it does to believe in spontaneous life, the universe being created out of nothing, "
Hardly, but since no one here believes in spontaneous life that's irrelevant, and you do believe the universe was created out of nothing, so you contradict yourself.
@humanistheart one thing: He doesn't send people to Hell. And I'm not contradicting myself, you're just making the assertion that God is nothing. Again: this argument is pointless.
"What kind of love is it to allow women to be raped? Or to kill infants? Or to encourage slavery? Is it love to say, I love you but if you do a single thing I don't like I'll have you tortured for all eternity?"
@thedoorsman1 Oh please. Don't take one minor assumption, in which you didn't bother to explain yourself in the first or second place, as a right to now act like you're not simply avoiding the questions asked because you know you have no answers.
@thedoorsman1 In this particular case you might have a point. You said "Once sin takes over a community to such an extent, that it curses the very land of that communities inhabitence, it may well be the best way to deal with the issue." Given that sin is nothing but what this god doesn't care for at the moment, I assumed your claim could only mean that god was the one putting the curse on the land as a result of the sin. So I'll ask you, in what way does 'sin' poison the land to you then?
@thedoorsman1 "The reason why i have come to believe such a thing, besides the arrogant attacks ive recieved on my personal character, its the fact that you have chosen not to believe!. Prove me wrong, and i will answer. bless ya"
That's how. You claimed, now that you're stuck, that you will not give a response because I've 'chosen' to not believe in your god.
@thedoorsman1 sterile and they'd die off on their own. Thus no need to slaughter innocent children that never caused any harm. Or if he's all knowing surely he could come up with some other way that didn't require mass genocide and infanticide.
@thedoorsman1 "Once sin takes over a community to such an extent, that it curses the very land of that communities inhabitence"
Think about what you've said here. You're saying if you do things this god doens't like, he'll poison the land. Well that's in no way the fault of people, that's the result of a petty being you call god having to have everything it's own way like a spoiled child.
Here's a thought, if those cultures really needed to be ended and he's all powerful just make them...
@thedoorsman1 Or, to put it another way, if you only wanted people who agreed with you, or were going to agree with you, go to a church to discuss these things.
@thedoorsman1 Another avoidance of the issue. I'm sorry to be so blunt but how a conversation or debate works is someone says something, the next person responds with something relevant to the previous speaker, than in turn the first person responds to the ladder's comments, again in a RELEVANT fashion. If you didn't want a discussion/debate you should have said so from the beginning (or not have posted here as lets face it that's what the vids are for).
@thedoorsman1 So once again you've decided not to answer. I wonder why you bother to respond since you refuse to address the issues. You say you won't respond because I'm not a believer (actually you said choose to believe, which I assure you is not a choice), but if you didn't wish to express arguments and reason for you're position you wouldn't have come to a video section labeled tough questions for christians. So what's the real reason you wont respond properly? Afraid we're right?
Again, the place your refering 2, Hell, (The Abyss) was designed for Satan, and his demons. 500 Characters will not clear this 1 up, but U are smart, U can see the direction.
Lk. 8:30 Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” “Legion,” he replied,
because many demons had gone into him.
Lk. 8:31 And they begged him repeatedly not to order them to go into
the Abyss.
The worst of demons are imprisoned here, untill the Day of Gods Wrath, and Judgement, which is coming soon.
@thedoorsman1 No offense, but your concept of love is down right perverse. What kind of love is it to allow women to be raped? Or to kill infants? Or to encourage slavery? Is it love to say, I love you but if you do a single thing I don't like I'll have you tortured for all eternity? We must have very different concepts of love.
@thedoorsman1 "We need our carnality here on this planet to operate and to apreciate the good things in life, "
According to your religion your god was the one that made it that way. You say we need our carnality to survive on this planet. He could just as easily have created a planet where that was not the case. Or not created it in the first place and just started people in heaven.
@thedoorsman1 I notice that rather than address the point that atheists have a lower crime rate, particularly in relation to murder and rape, you chose to make a sarcastic joke that. I can only assume then that you did not have a cogent response, and thus you truly know that the further one gets from theistic religions the better their behavior becomes.
@thedoorsman1 That in no way addressed the issue. You'll note that turning to 'his direction' has not, in any way, made Christians better. In fact they have higher criminal rates such as murder and rape. The point you avoided, possibly because you didn't want to think about it, is that you claimed no one would want to rape or cheat or what have you in heaven because the sin nature would be separated there. But if that were true it could just as easily be separated for people on earth.
@thedoorsman1 - apparently he didn't. otherwise, cain would have been without wanting to murder his brother, huh. at least according to what you said earlier
"And no, noone is going to want to kill, rape, steal, cheat and so on, in heaven. "
i said he should have done that from the beginning, you said he did... so... it's all going to happen again once you get to heaven?
@GodsArePeopleToo That's the question I'm trying to get him to address. But oddly enough all he told you was 'he did' which is obviously not true. Perhaps he meant 'perfection' in the garden but if people sinned there it defeats his point.
@humanistheart - exactly. it makes no sense. if people sinned thee because they had free will and heaven doesn't exist in heaven... how can free will? and if free will does exist in heaven but sin doesn't that means people can be sinless. if one has no choice but to be a sinner - no free will, and i can't get anyone to explain WHY god would create humans with a *nature* that causes them to sin if he didn't want people suffering the effects of it - be it as a victim or as a resident of hell
@thedoorsman1 If this god could arrange it so that this 'sin nature' is eliminated in heaven and it didn't interfere with free will there, than he could just as easily do it here, which makes all the pain suffering and 'sinning' of this world pointless.
@humanistheart Which means that this god could end those kind of issues, or never have allowed them in the first place, without infringing on people's free will, because if that can happen in heaven and he's all powerful he could do it here, but chooses not to. So why not? A being that creates beings to suffer for it is hardly 'loving'.
Hell exists to frighten young children into submission when reason proves too difficult at 11pm after a difficult day at work. Like many other things, its taken far too seriously.
I think you are confused about hell because you do not understand what it is. Hell was created for Satan and his angels. Angels are flames of fire (Ps 104:4) so hell was created with the same nature as angels, hense a burning domain. When humans reject God and die, they must go where God is not, or to hell. Further Satan hates God and humans were created in God's image, so it is Satan that will torture humans for eternity. So hell is not a place of correction nor is it to protect others.
@Cloyde100 No, actually in the christian religion hell is where people who didn't believe in and accept jesus will burn, it has nothing inherently to do with wickedness.
Firstly hell cannot be understood as a "place" it is considered a state of existence.
Secondly you ask what is the purpose of hell...Maybe it is best to be understood as the effect of choosing a life knowingly and willingly opposed to God.
In saying this you would conclude that hell only began to exist as someone freely chose against God, making hell not purposeful, simply a necessary state of existence apart from God.
@mflatt11 There are several problems with that. First of all, hell is described in real terms. Second why should choosing to live a good life rather than do evil things like your god wants be considered okay in leading to pain? And last, if your god was all knowing surely it could come up with something better than do what I say or suffer, at least if it wasn't horridly evil.
There is more than three purposes. Another is avenging. But hell is not a human creation so that it be confined to address behavior. Hell is about your soul condition. You must ask yourself are you glad at the coming of the Holy one. If not, then you are in a state that is unholy and you are servant to whom you obey. If you believe and love lies and hate truth then Satan is you leader cause he publishes lies and he hates truth even the truth that he and hell exists he hates.
There is more than three purposes. Another is avenging. But hell is not a human creation so that it be confined to address behavior. Hell is about your soul condition. You must ask yourself are you glad at the coming of the Holy one. If not, then you are in a state that is unholy and you are servant to whom you obey. If you believe and love lies and hate truth then Satan is you leader cause he publishes lies and he hates truth even the truth that he and hell exists he hates.
Everything on earth that is good like air love food stuff like that is of God. Hell is just a place where there is no good where nothing is good for us. All Gods blessings are on earth. Water, Everything in hell is God taking away what we take for granted! There is great consequences rebelling aganst God. If you do not wnt God Hell is what you are left with. Only when it is too late will you realise how much you need him.
Starlin killed millions of people for pretty much nothing. With all the evils in the world would you have done the same thing if you were bought up the same way in the same environment?? Logic would say that you would. In your heart there is evil and you do not see this. Nor do you care. The world as a whole is guilty and rebelious! And deserve hell! All in hell did not care for there soul and justice!
Heavan is God house. Satan has the legal ownership over those who are in sin. God made hell for Satan. Thats Satans house pretty much. So Gods house or Satans house. Choice is yours???? Freewill
The threat of Hell is a tool for fear, domination & control.
Hell is for evil. It is for the followers of the devil. It is the separation from God. If you have an evil heart, that's where you go. If God decides that.
Christians need to get beyond the "fear" of God. If God loves you why should you be afraid of God? I think a fear prevents people from seeing God in all things God does.
Fear is what religions, like the Catholic church, use to control the masses & they play it up but good.
hell was created for the devil and his angels as a place of eternal separation from God. when humanity became separated from God through sin, we were too separated from God.
The purpose is to keep Heaven free from any negative influence, as I understand it. This question is a little tougher than it should be because I don't think we can understand what Hell really is.
sinners go to hell get over it and get saved. it is so easy not to go to hell so so easy exept what christ did for you and go to heavan ge whats so hard about that god made it so easy the jailer said to paul how do i get saved paul said believe in the name to the lord and you shall be saved wow whats so hard why is it worth going to hell for by not doing that gee Christ did all the work if you can't except it well you deserve to go to hell fah....
I just wonder.. Why are you spending so much time trying to prove that God isn't real or good, if you genuinly don't believe that He exists? Isn't that just a waste of your time? I can guarantee you, that you'll never be able to take away the faith from a genuine believer in Christ with your human reasoning. Trying to "figure out" God with our minds just isn't possible. Jesus says that those God has given unto Him, none or nothing will ever be able to snatch them out of His hand.
The "purpose" of Hell, is like the Boogey Man. It is for children to be scared into acting a certain way. Fear is a great motivator, but not the only motivator. Just like the purpose of Heaven is like Santa Clause, a reward for a chid to act a certain way. That's all it is. we eventually grow up and stop believing in Boogey and Clause because we know why we were told these things. Heaven and Hell are the adult versions of the Boogey Man and Santa Clause
Hell was created for Lucifur, & the fallen angels. when they were cast down for Their rebellion against God. When they came down, they furthered Gods anger by taking wives of his humans, & having children. But they also introduced humanity to all the bad things we practice. So again, God lets you,with freewill,sin. If you dont choose to repent & ask for forgiveness of the only one God gives you to receive it from, You go where all who disobey God will go & there, lucifur torments you not,God.
being tortured for eternity for a few moments of insanity is just dumb. i dont think i would have heard myself say it, but even Hitler doesent deserve hell or Stalin or any other person. If theres a good God theres no hell.unless hell is made for pain and time according to what you have done. like our prison.
besides how could i live in heaven thinking about people getting totured. Also why couldnt he tell me that hell existed personally and dont play hide and seek with me?
the purpose of hell is to give people what they've been asking for while they lived on earth. A life without God, If you want to live with God(Heaven) then you can and the bible tells you how to do so. But if you don't then you show him through your actions and words(sin) and you live without him. It is described in such horrible ways because it is trying to describe what life would be like without the Father.
MATTHEW 25:41 IT WAS PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS. The bottom line is we are saved by grace, there is absolutely nothing we can do to deserve to go to heaven, Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. what is the work of God that he requires? to believe in the one he has sent .. Jesus and let him take it from there, if you truly seek God as you do silver and treasure, you will find the knowledge of God.
Even though I may have given you a tough word for Atheist, God still loves you and waiting for you to accept Him. You may forget me but don't forget the Lord Jesus Christ. Accept Him now and pray to Him, then gradually you will observed that your wisdom will gradually increase than you have today.
@TheTotalityForces I just want to express that your tough questions are actually answerable basically. You need to believe in God because it is the truth. So again the purpose of hell is for those who did not qualify to enter heaven, those who did not believe and accept God, and repent of their sins. Because in heaven, no sins can enter there. Simple! An eternal life is a holy (sinless) life. PS please don't fully submit your fate on a human knowledge which doesn't know everything actually.
@Npixelv I think you should look up the definition of 'true'. "Because in heaven, no sins can enter there." Yet you think all are sinners and some will go there, so clearly that's not true.
More importantly think about what you are saying. Sin is nothing but what your god doesn't care for in your beliefs. There is no set standard to that, as this god changes his mind frequently and also does the things he forbids humans to do. A hypocrite has the right to condemn better beings. Not a good call.
This is the weaknesses of Atheist, they are not genuine or at least honest with themselves. When I said, I will borrow your car just for an hour and you let it, then when I drove it, you suddenly called the police Hey! He stole my car. Please don't destroy us Christians like that, and specially don't give any false statement to God. And even though yourself is already your own God, at least be honest with your own self. Don't invent something to destroy or insult us.
No God did not impregnated a teenager with himself. God uses His power by His words. Try to observe how Jesus performs miracles, examples are "Wake up Lazarus! then Lararus ressurected. Get up and pick you mat!, then the leper was healed. Storm! calmed down!, then the sea became peaceful. The angel said that by the power of the Holy Spirit that Mary will conceive. God will never never commit sin and cannot violate His own rules, and also because He is trustworthy.
This is not a tough question for Christians. We told you! we told you! that there is hell for those who reject Lord Jesus Christ. Since they reject Jesus Christ who is the way to Heaven, then those who reject choses hell. This is the principle of eternal life - An eternal life is holy (sinless), so we need to be holy also in order to be eternal like God. You cannot enter heaven if there is a sin in you that you did not repent. Jesus is still waiting for anyone to come to Him.
Hell is the punishment for sin. The soul that sinneth it shall die. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life. The fire is Gods eternal wrath. You will not burn forever and ever you will just be dead for eternity. If Satan is a spirit, how can he burn, if the dead never receive a resurrected body how can they burn or corrupt? Many of Gods teachings have been mixed with fairy tales. The church should have realized this long ago but....don't get me talkin.
This is the basic concept of Heaven, you cannot live in God's kingdom if there is sin in your life unforgiven. Jesus shed His blood for us, so that it is easier for us to be saved by accepting Him trough faith. Our sins is easily forgiven now as compared to the Old Testament time. So those who reject Jesus means those people chooses hell..........simple!
@Npixelvd No one chooses Hell, they don't believe the story. I find it rediculous to believe that the all-powerful creator of the universe impregnated a teen-age girl with himself and sacrificed himself to himself, in order to fulfill a loophole in a law he created which would have otherwise made it impossible for him to simply forgive humans for the crime of not being him... that doesn't mean I "choose" to be tortured. I just don't think the story, or the threat, is credible.
@Npixelvd i been going to church for 2 years now, i stopped when my grandma passed away and just started back up but no matter what i do i cant find jesus truthfully, i try and try every week and nothing, so does that mean since i cant find him and he not showing himself to me does that mean that i deserve to be tortured forever. i believe in god but not necesarily the bible i feel the bible was written for a guideline of living that people should go buy to make the world a better place, i also
Hell is a life sentence without chance for parole. its simply for punishment of sins. christianity teaches that if u live a life contrary 2 God's word, ur not going 2 spend eternity with him & d only other place to go to is hell. its not a correctional facility. its just a place 2 go. if anythin, it is a way to separate the criminals from the civilians not cos God is worried about d safety of d people in heaven but cos he doesnt want d lifestyle of d people in hell 2 b brought into heaven
@sweetdietqueen Just punishment for punishment sake? Thank goodness humans are more kind that God. Humans use punishment to accomplish goals (correct behavior, protection, etc). I guess I should qualify that, historically there have been many tyrants who have tortured people just for the sake of watching them die... so I guess some humans have historically shared God's values.
@azsuperman01 lol if u hated God on earth why should u get to go to heaven (not refering to u). im sure im not the only one who would like to see hitler burn in hell for all eternity lol yes earthly punishment is a lot easier/kinder than eternal one. more reason to be worried. people go out of their way to make sure they're law abiding citizen so they can stay out of the court room but many people dont even care what happens to them after they die
also after d 2nd coming, d anti christ will rule d world 4 some years during which, ppl in hell will bearth with him & they can either choose d antichrist or Christ. if they chose d anti christ, they get 666 printed on their foreheads. if they chose christ then they get 2 live in torture 4 100's of yrs. after which God is finally going 2 get rid of d anti-christ & his 666 followers & those who refused d 666 would get 2 go 2 heavn cos i guess they've proved they're not going back to sin
@flightkiller09 LOL and im the one who's Naive? if u do the crime, u have to do the time. it is what it is, no point arguing, it wont change anything. Your opinion doesnt count, neither does mine
Hell was taken from the name of a Germanic goddess, "Hel". We call her Hella now to differentiate from the Christian twisting. "Hel" is not a place of torture. It is the place for those who did not die in battle to live out in comfort, away from life's fears or troubles.
Why is it that people view worship as a bad thing? They truly have no knowledge or clue of what it is or means. Why is it such a bad thing to Love Christ? Serving God is not a drag like most ppl make it out to be. Even if someone could prove that God didn't exist.....I can tell you Jesus is one person id love to imitate and live like.
Society has screwed up the purpose of why we give people the death penalty. It's no to save other people, it's to take away their rights to live. That's what the death penalties purpose when it first started, but crazy idiotic liberals made it seem as though the government has no right to take away a person's life for a crime.
The actual purpose of hell is to punish Lucifer and his demons, NOT US! The reason people ARE sent to hell is because of their sins and refusal to accept God's forgivness through Christ, what if you commited a crime and told the judge he had no authority over you because you didn't like his system of justice and so on, would that change the fact that you commited a crime or that he DOES have that authority, NO! Hell about punishing sin and DETERING people from it, "23 minutes in Hell" good book!
Why didn't you use any scriptures to back up what you're saying?
spucy 1 week ago
Its not a purpose its a fate that Saturn brought on us. Thats y God redeemed us by dying on the cross.
yuvanrockstar 3 weeks ago
Nice point lizard and yea hell is the moral version of prison but if i cant actout againt god in heaven anytime i wanted just because ifelt like it then that would also be a prison to me
redrumhum 3 weeks ago
@redrumhum "yea hell is the moral version of prison"
Lol, no, neither hell nor heaven has anything to do with morality.
humanistheart 1 week ago
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Instead, you should be asking yourself;" “what is the purpose of acquiring knowledge about anything, when all knowledge, accomplishments, experiences, everyone, and everything, would be as if you, no one, and nothing had ever existed in the first place, if conscious existence ceases upon death, if God/s does not exist, thus atheism true.?
LizardLeaps 1 month ago in playlist Tough Questions For Christians
Your problem is hypothesizing of the Creator of all things existent, whilst attempting to resolve questions by using fallible limited logic, and supposing that said Creator would necessitate conformity and be under subjugation to your mere bleating creature fallible, feeble, limited, and fallacious logic.
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LizardLeaps 1 month ago in playlist Tough Questions For Christians
The purpose of hell is a place for sinners to worship God. Since those who die in sin reject the idea of a loving Savior, God then allows the sinner to stand in judgement alone and face God for the crimes he or she commited against God. When judgement by God is made, hell will be the place people will spend eternity. God must punish sin and no sinner can be in the presence of God. Those who trust in Jesus Christ have their sins wiped away. Jesus paid their fine.
kimkerchner 2 months ago
The purpose of hell is very simple ,it will be a bad suffering for really bad people ,some will come out of it in due time and some will stay in there forever.It is a punishment for bad people in the here after.WHO SAID THAT MUSLIMS DONOT BELIEVE IN JESUS? WE DO ,BELIEVE IN JESUS AND IN BIBLE AND IN HELL AND IN HEAVEN.
xquse18 3 months ago
@xquse18 ",it will be a bad suffering for really bad people "
No in the christian scriptures it has nothing to do with being bad, just not believing in jesus.
humanistheart 1 week ago
@humanistheart Good to hear from you after a long time.Do you want to continue the conversation about God remember ? you never replied to my question that what does the word God means? What about the people who believe in jesus and commit crimes like murders then Quran says that if you murder any person then only hell is the place for you forever.
xquse18 1 week ago
@xquse18 Nothing in your response addressed my post.
humanistheart 1 week ago
@humanistheart Your short answer shows you dont want to reply to my question .It is fine if you dont know the meaning of God.This question ,i asked you because you asked me the meaning of Allah.Take an effort to find out the original word used in hebrew bible for God.cuz Allah is the original word in arabic for God ,derived exactly as it is from Quran.There must be something jesus called God in hebrew .That must be known.
xquse18 6 days ago
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@xquse18 Nothing in your response addressed my post. Why is relevance so difficult for you?
humanistheart 6 days ago
OK this guy is completely messed up. You do not go to hell or heaven when you die number one. The bible says the dead know nothing. That is the whole point of jesus coming back duh.... secondly you do not burn forever!!!!!!!!!! You will parish in the lake of fire not burn forever. And the purpose of hell is to rid the earth of sin that is its purpose simply put. i like how he used prison. It is very similar to the death penalty. Those people are a danger to society and hell works the same way.
madba11er1on1 4 months ago
@madba11er1on1 Then what to you, accounts for all the cultural and theological beliefs that say in that religion people do suffer forever?
humanistheart 4 months ago
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The wages of sin is death.
voldmerot 4 months ago
sorry i couldnt complete it all but it is alot more to it but that is the beginning read Isaiah 14:12-16 ( Its best to read the entire chapter but those verses highlight my point)
MykeWilliam 4 months ago
Purpose of Hell? I will try and explain it as quick and as best as I can. Hell was created for Lucifer and the fallen angels. So many ppl think Satan was an angel at once. The Truth is Lucifer was the angel that allowed satan ( a spirit that tries to exalt itself above God) to fill his heart ! once satan entered Lucifer he was then cast out of heaven and the other third of the fallen angels. Therefore if we are born in this world we must be Born again! To learn more check out my channel.
MykeWilliam 4 months ago
Did you read the Matthew 25.41? I'm sure you the type that didn't. Listen here boy..i know the truth..i don't need to convince you. I was trying to help you but you don't want help..you are angry..why i don't know. You sound like the type that's angry and big mouth here on you tube..? You sound like a lost boy who tries to lift himself here..i will pray for you my friend!!
mosreloaded 5 months ago
Hell is seperation from God. Gehenna or Sheol is a physical place everyone goes, sinner or saint, upon physical death until eternal judgement upon Yeshua's returns. Either eternally dwelling with Him or eternally seperated from HIm. No literal fire.
autofill67 5 months ago
@autofill67 There's a heck of a lot of fire mentions for it to be meant metaphorically. And on earth the further removed a country gets from christianity the more prosperous it becomes, so why would it be different in death?
humanistheart 5 months ago
God created hell not for the human race( Matthew 25:41) but sin made it possible. we need a saviour for sin so if you don't accept Jesus then you're sin will mean hell. Now God is Just and that's why he cant go back on his word so you're choice to not accept him will mean Hell whom wasn't created in the first place for you but after sin is a reality. But the loving God gave us a salvation route by coming to earth and dying for our sins so we can be saved.
mosreloaded 5 months ago
@mosreloaded You're missing the point. It doesn't matter why hell was made, it just matters why we go there. WATCH THE VIDEO.
MineCraftFish1 5 months ago
@MineCraftFish1 It doesn't matter why hell was made? So a being creates a place of eternal torment and threatens people with it, and that doesn't matter to you?
humanistheart 5 months ago
@humanistheart Ok don't get the wrong idea, I'm an atheist too. I just think this dude is missing the point.
MineCraftFish1 5 months ago
@mosreloaded did god create sin or are you just stupid? God created sin. God made so sin can send u to hell. God created hell. God knows the present past and future, god knows people will go to hell. Can't get anymore clear than that. Everything is God's plan, and nothing goes beyond what god wants. I have scriptural evidence for all of these points. thus he wants people to go to hell. Plain and simple
iliveon 5 months ago
@iliveon Yep, seams pretty precise and succinct. It's hard to see how anyone could come to a different conclusion.
humanistheart 5 months ago
What you dont realize is that this "hell" is the idea of your evil thoughts and doings. SATAN is the evil inside of you, not some demon sitting in "hell". An all loving god an all perfect god who loves us all, will NOT torture us in this "hell" because that defeats the very purpose of god, and that purpose is to love and to do more for others than yourself. What you do in this life does not matter, what you do to others does.
lysenko133 6 months ago
@lysenko133 Than you must believe in a different god than that of the judeo-christian bible, if you believe in an all loving god.
humanistheart 5 months ago
@humanistheart No, I believe in loving one another, helping one another, and and doing everything we can to preserve life and make this place a good place to live for us. God wants us to thrive in his love and light. I do not believe in religion. God didn't create hate, crime, murder, war...we did.
lysenko133 5 months ago
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@lysenko133 "God wants us to thrive in his love and light. " The god of the judeo-christian bible is full of hate. So much hatred. He commits mass infanticide, genocide, allows slavery, child and spousal abuse, and arguably rape. How does one slaughter children lovingly? How does one rape women lovingly?
humanistheart 5 months ago
Hell isn't punishment. Its just a place where people who aren't christians go when they die.
BarelyAmerican 6 months ago
@BarelyAmerican You are very ignorant and single minded. God does not say what religion you need to be to be accepted. God accepts everyone no matter who or what they are. To be accepted is to call out for God, when you "die" hell is the absence of god, not a place of torture. Looks like you need to read the bible a couple times over.
lysenko133 6 months ago
by the way,,,these questions are not tough,,,the problem is that most people get their christian teaching from tv,,,most people in America are under a false assumption of what Christianity is all about and theyre all going to perish because of it,,,do u think GOD will understand when every person in America has a bible in their home but doesnt read it? these questions are easy its just that tv has warped your ideas ab GOD
candiceevans1 6 months ago
the purpose of hell is PUNISHMENT,,,DAMNATION,,,,THIS IS FOREVER,,,BUT ITS ULTIMATE PURPOSE IS TO GLORIFY GOD,,,HE SAVES TO GLORIFY HIMSELF HE DAMNS TO GLORIFY HIMSELF,,,NOTHING IS DONE WITH YOUR HAPPINESS IN MIND,,,THIS IS GOD CENTERED NOT MAN CENTERED,,,YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU THINKEVERYTHING IS FOR MAN OR ABOUT MAN,,,ITS NOT,,,EVERYTHING IS ABOUT GOD AND THATS WHY MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HELL
candiceevans1 6 months ago
Hell fits the third reason for punishment yo. There's nothing to be protected from in Heaven because the only things we need "protection" from are in Hell.
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 Do something one being doesn't like and be tortured forever isn't merely punishment, it is the single most unethical thing humans have ever dreamed up.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart God doesn't torture people i think ive make that point already
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 You've tried to, but you've been unable to support that assertion.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart God torturing people in hell is the assertion brother
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 You're contradicting yourself. You said god doesn't torture people than you said you're own assertion is that god tortures people. Make up your mind there buddy.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart *looks back through comments* um....dont think I ever said God tortures people....
And to elaborate on what you said earlier "Do something one being doesn't like and be tortured forever" is a misconception not just by claiming God tortures people. It's not that God went "oh...let me pick and choose whats allowed and screw you if you don't agree". God is the perfect standard for good, aka, Moral Law. Why do you think most of what God forbids is against the law in modern day govs?
carson01061995 6 months ago
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@carson01061995 "God torturing people in hell is the assertion brother" Those were your words. You said the assertion is god tortures people. It was right before the comment of mine you're responding to, so I'm not sure how you missed it.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart That's what YOU were asserting. I'm not sure how you missed that.
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 No, that's a traditional christian theology, it's not my assertion, it's based on christian assertions. And you still never addressed how you think a genocidal, enslaving rapist is the source of 'morality'. Do what I say or else is not morality, it's tyranny.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart Lol, okay, I'll give you that one. I personally blame Dante for his detailed (but completely inaccurate) description of hell that's become the base of most of our idea on the place. And to answer your question about genocide, enslaving, and raping, here's the short answer 1)you took it out of context 2)you didn't make the distinction between it being recorded and it being condoned 3)(and this depends on your translation especially King James) bad translation
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson010 We can agree on that. Dante's inferno was a turning point in the conception of hell in christian theology,
1) No, you might be able to argue about the raping, I agree that is a moot point that we could debate till the cows come home, but the infanticides and genocides are real, well, biblically anyway. Yahweh instructs his people in several instances to destroy entire peoples, men, women, children, sometimes even livestock. That's genocide by definition. There's no wiggle room there
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart 1) I don't think you quite understood what I was saying. Let me use a metaphor (yay metaphors!!!!) what if I told you a man was cutting off another man's arm, what would you say about the man doing the cutting? You'd say he was a horrible person. Now what if I told you that the man was a doctor and he was cutting off the arm of the man who had gangrene who would have died otherwise? Now you would think the man was agreat person. See? All perspective
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 1) Okay then, tell me how in any perspective raping women, killing infants, and committing mass genocide is not a bad thing.
2) Strickly speaking all things attributed to a god are false as there are not gods. But in the context of the biblical scriptures you either have to accept that the character Yahweh did those things are that its just fiction. You can't pick and choose.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart First, two things: 1) Can you please tell me where it talks about the rape thing? 2) If I do explain it to you don't cop out in anyway. Just try to look at it from the Bible's perspective and from that tell me what you think of God's actions
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 2) Condoned? Their god gives them laws on how to acquire slaves, and orders them to commit genocides. That's not just recording (an inaccurate word to begin with as this is fiction after all) it's condoning.
3) Sometimes translation can make a difference it's true, like thou shalt not murder rather than thou shalt not kill is a big difference, and I agree the KJV is horrible, but no matter how you translate it slavery and genocide are always present in the bibles.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart 2) Wasn't talking about that specifically just that, in general, a lot of things attributed to God were not commanded not condoned by Him. 3) Again, wasn't taking about those two things
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 3 Then why'd you bring translation up if you weren't talking about it? You used it in your defense now you're disgarding it.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart I'm saying that there are certain things in the Bible where translation changes the meaning but that those two specific things where not part of that.
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 Which two things?
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart namely genocide though slavery falls in there as well
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 Alright this conversations been going for a while and I'm starting to loose track of it. My apologies. Where are we? I remember you saying that slavery wasn't condoned just allowed. I think you've accepted that the god of the bible does condone slavery as there's been no rebuttal, but then you said you were not talking about genocide or slavery. Where are we at?
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart Okay, let's talk about the genocide real quick and then I'll get to slavery otherwise this is gonna go on for waaaay too long.
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 Good idea.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart What we have to realize is that context here is everything. This doesn't contradict God's justice or mercy but rather compliments it, as you'll see in a moment. In your world view, where there is no heaven or hell, Jesus never saved humanity, and the party that had been wiped out were moral cultures that God just said "I don't like you. Time to die." This makes for a god that is to be feared, not loved. But, that is not the case at all.
carson01061995 6 months ago
@humanistheart This context in this Bible is this: That these were a moral depraved people who slaughtered babies and committed rape as simple forms of worship. In addition to this they were completely devoted to the destruction of the Jews. Now, if God had been 'loving' and let them live, then the Jews die, Jesus isn't born, and humanity isn't saved. So His reasons are just. In addition He gave them time to repent and the innocent time to flee. Sometimes up to several centuries.
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson010619 "This context in this Bible is this: That these were a moral depraved people who slaughtered babies and committed rape as simple forms of worship"
The problem there is that slaughtering babies and rapping women were things that, in the bibles, the hebrew people did at the command or the allowance of Yahweh. So you're saying two wrongs make a right. These people kill and rape, so we'll do it. The context does nothing ot improve the situation, & I odn't know why you thought it would
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart I think I explained the babies thing. They didn't do that as worship, they did it out of mercy. And again: can you please show me the text where God orders rape?
carson01061995 6 months ago
@humanistheart And in most cases (such as with Jericho) the innocent were spared anyways. In addition, even after all the innocent people had time to escape their fate over the years, they were still given one final offer to live before the Jews began attacking the city. At this point only those who were beyond salvation were left in the city.
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 "And in most cases (such as with Jericho) the innocent were spared anyway"
I can, once again, give you several quotes where the hebrews are ordered to kill men women and children. Are you suggesting infants are not innocent? If you're going to say original sin don't bother.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart What we don't think about is that if people where marching against your city and you were innocent you wouldn't just stay there and reject their offer to live. You would either A) flee the city or B) go "Yes, I would like to live". If they were either too stubborn or too stupid to do that then...idk
carson01061995 6 months ago
@humanistheart Now you say "But what of the children?" Although it sounds cruel, being killed young and going to heaven was better than growing up in a depraved culture where they would ultimately reject God and send themselves to Hell. So we see from all this that God is just and merciful and took no pleasure in any of this. So what's more moral, a God who lets a depraved culture who wipes out the chance for humanity's salvation live, or the God who wipes them out, and ultimately saves us all?
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 "lthough it sounds cruel, being killed young and going to heaven was better than growing up in a depraved culture where they would ultimately reject God"
There are several problems with that argument. First of all, we're discussing the hebrew scripture. You want to discuss context, well in that context there was no heaven. Heaven doesn't get introduced until the NT, it's not part of the Hebrew scriptures or the jewish religions/culture.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. In the context of the Bible heaven is a real place and even if it weren't mentioned in the NT is was alluded to or mentioned multiple times in the OT. Just because it isn't mentioned specifically by name doesn't mean it didn't exists or they didn't believe in it.
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 Additionally, you're suggesting that a being that you believe is all powerful and all knowing couldn't have found a better way than killing children. You know he could have just made all those people infertile and they would have died out as a people, rather than slaughtering them or children. And that's just off the top of the head of a person who's not all knowing. It's hard to imagine an all knowing being being that stupid isn't it?
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart I see your point but the result is the same isn't it? And by the time it took those people to die out they could have destroyed or corrupted the Jews.
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 And finally, since this god was to have created hell in the first place, you're saying it's good he slaughtered children so he'd spare them the fate you created in the first place. That's hardly logical. There is no intelligence, morality, or mercy to be found there.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@carson01061995 "So what's more moral, a God who lets a depraved culture who wipes out the chance for humanity's salvation live, or the God who wipes them out, and ultimately saves us all?"
Saves us all form the torment he inflicts in the first place? It's like me saying If I don't kill you and you're children I'm going to rape you all for the rest of your lives than expecting thanks and understanding that I gave you the choice of death over rape. That's not good at all.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart When you look at it through that context then it begins to become a bit more clear. Hope that helped you see my point of view^_^
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 Yes, I see you're point of view, I just don't think you've put enough serious thought into it, not when you argue that it's better to kill people to spare them from the torment that the killer created in the first place, when he didn't need to.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart Ah, yes. Hell. Somehow it always comes back to this and I think it's because our view of Hell is wrong. First we need to establish that God doesn't have much of a choice concerning Hell. He loves us enough to respect our decision to reject Him. He can't just make us go to Heaven because that would objectify us. He can't give us a second chance because then we choose Him not out of love but out of fear. It has nothing to do with morality. It's simply us wanting to b with Him or not
carson01061995 6 months ago
@humanistheart In addition Hell is punishment but not punishing. Metaphor I like to use is my room. If I don't clean it then my punishment is that it's dirty. I don't want it but I will it by choosing not to clean it. If we reject God then our punishment is that we're no longer in His presence. We don't want it because the torment of Hell is the lack of God, not Him actually torturing us, but we will it by not wanting to be with Him.
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 I'd suggest that's a false analogy. The difference is not cleaning a room has the natural result in our reality of remaining dirty. Hell is not a natural state as described in christian literature. Doing something god doesn't like and thus being cast to hell is not a naturally occurring instance, it's something that god decided. I would liken it more to the Nazi Germany of WW2. Choosing to try to help jews, in any capacity, would get a german killed. But is...
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart God only sends us to hell in the sense that He created a place for us to go to so He can honor our wish of rejecting Him. He doesn't torture nor does he torment anyone. It is the utter separation from Him, the one that we wanted, that makes it so utterly terrible. The pain isn't even physical
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 ...being killed a natural result of helping jews? No, it was a man made consequence, just as being sent to hell would be a god made consequence that didn't need to happen, but was chosen to happen by said god. Not wanting to be with a god has nothing to do with being sent to heaven or hell either. And can you blame someone for not wanting to be near such a psychotic entity? If it's even half as evil as what's described in the bibles why would you want to be?
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart Look man, I think we should just agree to disagree. I've stated my argument as best as I can and you've done the same. My God is not an evil God, but the god you've made Him out to be is. This is just a cyclical and pointless argument and at this point I think we're just gonna repeat ourselves over and over. One of us is wrong, but I'm throwing my lot with the one who claimed to be God in human flesh, the one who created, loved, and saved us, and proved it. God bless bro^_^
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 "I think we should just agree to disagree. " As you wish, there is a point where conversation becomes moot and the only mature thing to do is as you say agree to disagree.
"the one who created, loved" Do what I say or suffer is not love, its a threat. At any rate, good luck in your future endeavors.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart I wish the same to you good sir
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 omg..there are people out there that actually read and understand what the bible says, Iam very glad I met you sir. I completely agree on what you said. I really was beginning to worry that not a single person actually tries to understand and not just accept what their pastor came up with that day.
lysenko133 6 months ago
@lysenko133 I was gettin a bit uneasy myself^_^ great to meet ya. I had some great friends and leaders in my life who really saved me a lot of time and trouble and helped me to realize you can never take anything people say at face value, ALWAYS go back to the Bible. I've also read more apologetics books than I care to name. Shoot me a message sometime, you sound like the kind of person I'd love to have deep, philosophical discussions with^_^
Keep believing and God bless
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 "It's not that God went "oh...let me pick and choose whats allowed and screw you if you don't agree"." That I at least agree with, because that would require forethought this nameless thing you call god (calling your god god list like calling your dog dog by the way). No, it's based merely on his whims, which do not seem to have any prior thought to them.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@carson01061995 "God is the perfect standard for good, aka, Moral Law."
No, god based morality is meaningless. I actually have a video on my channel that explains it if you like. Is genocide perfect? Is slaughtering infants perfect? Is enslaving humans and raping women perfect? I would dare so not, and none of those things are legal in any civilized society, so no, god based morality is not perfect, it's nothing more than tyranny.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart He doesn't....He's not....you're.....this is pointless. Your just pulling the same argument over and over again. The fact is this: that no logical, sound argument that puts God into a good light will be satisfactory for you because you 1) Don't believe in God 2) Don't want to believe in God. I have an answer for your argument but you would just accuse it of being a cop out so why bother?
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 "He doesn't....He's not....you're.....this is pointless." One can only imagine what parts of my posts you were addressing with that.
Have you made anything that puts your nameless god in a good light? *looks back through comments*. No, no you haven't.
Yes, I'm sure you're 'answer' would be something like, well he has a plan! So genocides okay! Or, well, humans do things he doesn't like, so killing children is fine!
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart Yes, I have put Him in good light, you just won't accept that. Hence: this is pointless. And no, that wasn't what I was going to say. And if it was, at least it takes less faith to believe in the sovereignty of God than it does to believe in spontaneous life, the universe being created out of nothing, and the Moral Law is just a myth.
P.S. He does have a name. More than 40 of them.
carson01061995 6 months ago
@carson01061995 "Yes, I have put Him in good light, you just won't accept that. " Name one thing you said that would put your nameless thing in a good light.
"at least it takes less faith to believe in the sovereignty of God than it does to believe in spontaneous life, the universe being created out of nothing, "
Hardly, but since no one here believes in spontaneous life that's irrelevant, and you do believe the universe was created out of nothing, so you contradict yourself.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@humanistheart one thing: He doesn't send people to Hell. And I'm not contradicting myself, you're just making the assertion that God is nothing. Again: this argument is pointless.
carson01061995 6 months ago
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@humanistheart btw: how do you think the first life came into existence?
carson01061995 6 months ago
@thedoorsman1 Sure, just keep avoiding the point.
"What kind of love is it to allow women to be raped? Or to kill infants? Or to encourage slavery? Is it love to say, I love you but if you do a single thing I don't like I'll have you tortured for all eternity?"
humanistheart 6 months ago
@thedoorsman1You're being dishonest right now. You're lying about why you wont give a response, because you have none suitable.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@thedoorsman1 Oh please. Don't take one minor assumption, in which you didn't bother to explain yourself in the first or second place, as a right to now act like you're not simply avoiding the questions asked because you know you have no answers.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@thedoorsman1 In this particular case you might have a point. You said "Once sin takes over a community to such an extent, that it curses the very land of that communities inhabitence, it may well be the best way to deal with the issue." Given that sin is nothing but what this god doesn't care for at the moment, I assumed your claim could only mean that god was the one putting the curse on the land as a result of the sin. So I'll ask you, in what way does 'sin' poison the land to you then?
humanistheart 6 months ago
@thedoorsman1 "The reason why i have come to believe such a thing, besides the arrogant attacks ive recieved on my personal character, its the fact that you have chosen not to believe!. Prove me wrong, and i will answer. bless ya"
That's how. You claimed, now that you're stuck, that you will not give a response because I've 'chosen' to not believe in your god.
You're not contemplating, you're avoiding.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@thedoorsman1 sterile and they'd die off on their own. Thus no need to slaughter innocent children that never caused any harm. Or if he's all knowing surely he could come up with some other way that didn't require mass genocide and infanticide.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@thedoorsman1 "Once sin takes over a community to such an extent, that it curses the very land of that communities inhabitence"
Think about what you've said here. You're saying if you do things this god doens't like, he'll poison the land. Well that's in no way the fault of people, that's the result of a petty being you call god having to have everything it's own way like a spoiled child.
Here's a thought, if those cultures really needed to be ended and he's all powerful just make them...
humanistheart 6 months ago
@thedoorsman1 "In what universe does contimplating mean to agree to?. "
What on earth was that response relevant to?
humanistheart 6 months ago
@thedoorsman1 Or, to put it another way, if you only wanted people who agreed with you, or were going to agree with you, go to a church to discuss these things.
humanistheart 6 months ago
@thedoorsman1 Another avoidance of the issue. I'm sorry to be so blunt but how a conversation or debate works is someone says something, the next person responds with something relevant to the previous speaker, than in turn the first person responds to the ladder's comments, again in a RELEVANT fashion. If you didn't want a discussion/debate you should have said so from the beginning (or not have posted here as lets face it that's what the vids are for).
humanistheart 6 months ago
@thedoorsman1 So once again you've decided not to answer. I wonder why you bother to respond since you refuse to address the issues. You say you won't respond because I'm not a believer (actually you said choose to believe, which I assure you is not a choice), but if you didn't wish to express arguments and reason for you're position you wouldn't have come to a video section labeled tough questions for christians. So what's the real reason you wont respond properly? Afraid we're right?
humanistheart 6 months ago
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youneekk 6 months ago
@thedoorsman1 Okay, how does one kill children lovinginly? How does one rape women lovingly? How does one commit genocide lovingly?
humanistheart 6 months ago
@azsuperman01
Again, the place your refering 2, Hell, (The Abyss) was designed for Satan, and his demons. 500 Characters will not clear this 1 up, but U are smart, U can see the direction.
Lk. 8:30 Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” “Legion,” he replied,
because many demons had gone into him.
Lk. 8:31 And they begged him repeatedly not to order them to go into
the Abyss.
The worst of demons are imprisoned here, untill the Day of Gods Wrath, and Judgement, which is coming soon.
Bepps100 6 months ago
@azsuperman01
Re. 9:2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the
smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were
darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.
Re. 9:3 And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and
were given power like that of scorpions of the earth.
Re. 9:11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose
name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.
[Abaddon and Apollyon mean Destroyer.]
Bepps100 6 months ago
@thedoorsman1 No offense, but your concept of love is down right perverse. What kind of love is it to allow women to be raped? Or to kill infants? Or to encourage slavery? Is it love to say, I love you but if you do a single thing I don't like I'll have you tortured for all eternity? We must have very different concepts of love.
humanistheart 7 months ago
@thedoorsman1 "We need our carnality here on this planet to operate and to apreciate the good things in life, "
According to your religion your god was the one that made it that way. You say we need our carnality to survive on this planet. He could just as easily have created a planet where that was not the case. Or not created it in the first place and just started people in heaven.
humanistheart 7 months ago
@thedoorsman1 I notice that rather than address the point that atheists have a lower crime rate, particularly in relation to murder and rape, you chose to make a sarcastic joke that. I can only assume then that you did not have a cogent response, and thus you truly know that the further one gets from theistic religions the better their behavior becomes.
humanistheart 7 months ago
@thedoorsman1 That in no way addressed the issue. You'll note that turning to 'his direction' has not, in any way, made Christians better. In fact they have higher criminal rates such as murder and rape. The point you avoided, possibly because you didn't want to think about it, is that you claimed no one would want to rape or cheat or what have you in heaven because the sin nature would be separated there. But if that were true it could just as easily be separated for people on earth.
humanistheart 7 months ago
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@thedoorsman1 - apparently he didn't. otherwise, cain would have been without wanting to murder his brother, huh. at least according to what you said earlier
"And no, noone is going to want to kill, rape, steal, cheat and so on, in heaven. "
i said he should have done that from the beginning, you said he did... so... it's all going to happen again once you get to heaven?
GodsArePeopleToo 7 months ago
@thedoorsman1 - ahhh so there's no free will NOW. gotcha
so, if no one is going to want to do all that in heaven, i can't help but wonder why yahweh didn't formulate that kinda plan from the beginning
GodsArePeopleToo 7 months ago
@GodsArePeopleToo That's the question I'm trying to get him to address. But oddly enough all he told you was 'he did' which is obviously not true. Perhaps he meant 'perfection' in the garden but if people sinned there it defeats his point.
humanistheart 7 months ago
@humanistheart - exactly. it makes no sense. if people sinned thee because they had free will and heaven doesn't exist in heaven... how can free will? and if free will does exist in heaven but sin doesn't that means people can be sinless. if one has no choice but to be a sinner - no free will, and i can't get anyone to explain WHY god would create humans with a *nature* that causes them to sin if he didn't want people suffering the effects of it - be it as a victim or as a resident of hell
GodsArePeopleToo 7 months ago
@thedoorsman1 If this god could arrange it so that this 'sin nature' is eliminated in heaven and it didn't interfere with free will there, than he could just as easily do it here, which makes all the pain suffering and 'sinning' of this world pointless.
humanistheart 7 months ago
@humanistheart Which means that this god could end those kind of issues, or never have allowed them in the first place, without infringing on people's free will, because if that can happen in heaven and he's all powerful he could do it here, but chooses not to. So why not? A being that creates beings to suffer for it is hardly 'loving'.
humanistheart 7 months ago
@thedoorsman1 - so once one 'goes to heaven' free will ends, right?
GodsArePeopleToo 7 months ago
Hell exists to frighten young children into submission when reason proves too difficult at 11pm after a difficult day at work. Like many other things, its taken far too seriously.
Never3rd 7 months ago
I think you are confused about hell because you do not understand what it is. Hell was created for Satan and his angels. Angels are flames of fire (Ps 104:4) so hell was created with the same nature as angels, hense a burning domain. When humans reject God and die, they must go where God is not, or to hell. Further Satan hates God and humans were created in God's image, so it is Satan that will torture humans for eternity. So hell is not a place of correction nor is it to protect others.
elinikk 7 months ago
Hell is where the wicked will be burned up. It was known as the second death.
Once they are burned up, they won't ever be resurrected again.
Hell is not a place of torture, as people mistakenly think.
Cloyde100 7 months ago
@Cloyde100 - does it make sense to yo uto 'resurrect' someone just to kill them again? why not just 'keep em dead'? lol
GodsArePeopleToo 7 months ago
@Cloyde100 No, actually in the christian religion hell is where people who didn't believe in and accept jesus will burn, it has nothing inherently to do with wickedness.
humanistheart 7 months ago
Firstly hell cannot be understood as a "place" it is considered a state of existence.
Secondly you ask what is the purpose of hell...Maybe it is best to be understood as the effect of choosing a life knowingly and willingly opposed to God.
In saying this you would conclude that hell only began to exist as someone freely chose against God, making hell not purposeful, simply a necessary state of existence apart from God.
mflatt11 7 months ago
@mflatt11 There are several problems with that. First of all, hell is described in real terms. Second why should choosing to live a good life rather than do evil things like your god wants be considered okay in leading to pain? And last, if your god was all knowing surely it could come up with something better than do what I say or suffer, at least if it wasn't horridly evil.
humanistheart 7 months ago
There is more than three purposes. Another is avenging. But hell is not a human creation so that it be confined to address behavior. Hell is about your soul condition. You must ask yourself are you glad at the coming of the Holy one. If not, then you are in a state that is unholy and you are servant to whom you obey. If you believe and love lies and hate truth then Satan is you leader cause he publishes lies and he hates truth even the truth that he and hell exists he hates.
Choose life
leemorethomas 7 months ago
There is more than three purposes. Another is avenging. But hell is not a human creation so that it be confined to address behavior. Hell is about your soul condition. You must ask yourself are you glad at the coming of the Holy one. If not, then you are in a state that is unholy and you are servant to whom you obey. If you believe and love lies and hate truth then Satan is you leader cause he publishes lies and he hates truth even the truth that he and hell exists he hates.
leemorethomas 7 months ago
Everything on earth that is good like air love food stuff like that is of God. Hell is just a place where there is no good where nothing is good for us. All Gods blessings are on earth. Water, Everything in hell is God taking away what we take for granted! There is great consequences rebelling aganst God. If you do not wnt God Hell is what you are left with. Only when it is too late will you realise how much you need him.
MissChaceurz 7 months ago
Starlin killed millions of people for pretty much nothing. With all the evils in the world would you have done the same thing if you were bought up the same way in the same environment?? Logic would say that you would. In your heart there is evil and you do not see this. Nor do you care. The world as a whole is guilty and rebelious! And deserve hell! All in hell did not care for there soul and justice!
MissChaceurz 7 months ago
Heavan is God house. Satan has the legal ownership over those who are in sin. God made hell for Satan. Thats Satans house pretty much. So Gods house or Satans house. Choice is yours???? Freewill
MissChaceurz 8 months ago
The threat of Hell is a tool for fear, domination & control.
Hell is for evil. It is for the followers of the devil. It is the separation from God. If you have an evil heart, that's where you go. If God decides that.
Christians need to get beyond the "fear" of God. If God loves you why should you be afraid of God? I think a fear prevents people from seeing God in all things God does.
Fear is what religions, like the Catholic church, use to control the masses & they play it up but good.
etonks 8 months ago
hell was created for the devil and his angels as a place of eternal separation from God. when humanity became separated from God through sin, we were too separated from God.
blackoutninja 8 months ago
The purpose is to keep Heaven free from any negative influence, as I understand it. This question is a little tougher than it should be because I don't think we can understand what Hell really is.
medic85573 9 months ago
like you lol
MissChaceurz 9 months ago
purpose of hell is for those who rebel against God
MissChaceurz 9 months ago
anyways God created hell for satan and his angels
MissChaceurz 9 months ago
sinners go to hell get over it and get saved. it is so easy not to go to hell so so easy exept what christ did for you and go to heavan ge whats so hard about that god made it so easy the jailer said to paul how do i get saved paul said believe in the name to the lord and you shall be saved wow whats so hard why is it worth going to hell for by not doing that gee Christ did all the work if you can't except it well you deserve to go to hell fah....
MissChaceurz 9 months ago
I just wonder.. Why are you spending so much time trying to prove that God isn't real or good, if you genuinly don't believe that He exists? Isn't that just a waste of your time? I can guarantee you, that you'll never be able to take away the faith from a genuine believer in Christ with your human reasoning. Trying to "figure out" God with our minds just isn't possible. Jesus says that those God has given unto Him, none or nothing will ever be able to snatch them out of His hand.
AlexfromNorway 9 months ago
The "purpose" of Hell, is like the Boogey Man. It is for children to be scared into acting a certain way. Fear is a great motivator, but not the only motivator. Just like the purpose of Heaven is like Santa Clause, a reward for a chid to act a certain way. That's all it is. we eventually grow up and stop believing in Boogey and Clause because we know why we were told these things. Heaven and Hell are the adult versions of the Boogey Man and Santa Clause
Jellogel 9 months ago
Hell was created for Lucifur, & the fallen angels. when they were cast down for Their rebellion against God. When they came down, they furthered Gods anger by taking wives of his humans, & having children. But they also introduced humanity to all the bad things we practice. So again, God lets you,with freewill,sin. If you dont choose to repent & ask for forgiveness of the only one God gives you to receive it from, You go where all who disobey God will go & there, lucifur torments you not,God.
2skullscrushing 9 months ago
being tortured for eternity for a few moments of insanity is just dumb. i dont think i would have heard myself say it, but even Hitler doesent deserve hell or Stalin or any other person. If theres a good God theres no hell.unless hell is made for pain and time according to what you have done. like our prison.
besides how could i live in heaven thinking about people getting totured. Also why couldnt he tell me that hell existed personally and dont play hide and seek with me?
Mrmcroller 9 months ago
the purpose of hell is to give people what they've been asking for while they lived on earth. A life without God, If you want to live with God(Heaven) then you can and the bible tells you how to do so. But if you don't then you show him through your actions and words(sin) and you live without him. It is described in such horrible ways because it is trying to describe what life would be like without the Father.
mtsubabe 9 months ago
MATTHEW 25:41 IT WAS PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS. The bottom line is we are saved by grace, there is absolutely nothing we can do to deserve to go to heaven, Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. what is the work of God that he requires? to believe in the one he has sent .. Jesus and let him take it from there, if you truly seek God as you do silver and treasure, you will find the knowledge of God.
4URIG 9 months ago
Even though I may have given you a tough word for Atheist, God still loves you and waiting for you to accept Him. You may forget me but don't forget the Lord Jesus Christ. Accept Him now and pray to Him, then gradually you will observed that your wisdom will gradually increase than you have today.
Npixelvd 9 months ago
@Npixelvd
so basically your saying i should accept god cuz you tell me to? ... wow good argument
TheTotalityForces 9 months ago
@TheTotalityForces I just want to express that your tough questions are actually answerable basically. You need to believe in God because it is the truth. So again the purpose of hell is for those who did not qualify to enter heaven, those who did not believe and accept God, and repent of their sins. Because in heaven, no sins can enter there. Simple! An eternal life is a holy (sinless) life. PS please don't fully submit your fate on a human knowledge which doesn't know everything actually.
Npixelvd 7 months ago
@Npixelv I think you should look up the definition of 'true'. "Because in heaven, no sins can enter there." Yet you think all are sinners and some will go there, so clearly that's not true.
More importantly think about what you are saying. Sin is nothing but what your god doesn't care for in your beliefs. There is no set standard to that, as this god changes his mind frequently and also does the things he forbids humans to do. A hypocrite has the right to condemn better beings. Not a good call.
humanistheart 7 months ago
This is the weaknesses of Atheist, they are not genuine or at least honest with themselves. When I said, I will borrow your car just for an hour and you let it, then when I drove it, you suddenly called the police Hey! He stole my car. Please don't destroy us Christians like that, and specially don't give any false statement to God. And even though yourself is already your own God, at least be honest with your own self. Don't invent something to destroy or insult us.
Npixelvd 9 months ago
No God did not impregnated a teenager with himself. God uses His power by His words. Try to observe how Jesus performs miracles, examples are "Wake up Lazarus! then Lararus ressurected. Get up and pick you mat!, then the leper was healed. Storm! calmed down!, then the sea became peaceful. The angel said that by the power of the Holy Spirit that Mary will conceive. God will never never commit sin and cannot violate His own rules, and also because He is trustworthy.
Npixelvd 9 months ago
This is not a tough question for Christians. We told you! we told you! that there is hell for those who reject Lord Jesus Christ. Since they reject Jesus Christ who is the way to Heaven, then those who reject choses hell. This is the principle of eternal life - An eternal life is holy (sinless), so we need to be holy also in order to be eternal like God. You cannot enter heaven if there is a sin in you that you did not repent. Jesus is still waiting for anyone to come to Him.
Npixelvd 9 months ago
Hell is the punishment for sin. The soul that sinneth it shall die. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life. The fire is Gods eternal wrath. You will not burn forever and ever you will just be dead for eternity. If Satan is a spirit, how can he burn, if the dead never receive a resurrected body how can they burn or corrupt? Many of Gods teachings have been mixed with fairy tales. The church should have realized this long ago but....don't get me talkin.
TheSkymega 9 months ago
This is the basic concept of Heaven, you cannot live in God's kingdom if there is sin in your life unforgiven. Jesus shed His blood for us, so that it is easier for us to be saved by accepting Him trough faith. Our sins is easily forgiven now as compared to the Old Testament time. So those who reject Jesus means those people chooses hell..........simple!
Npixelvd 10 months ago
@Npixelvd No one chooses Hell, they don't believe the story. I find it rediculous to believe that the all-powerful creator of the universe impregnated a teen-age girl with himself and sacrificed himself to himself, in order to fulfill a loophole in a law he created which would have otherwise made it impossible for him to simply forgive humans for the crime of not being him... that doesn't mean I "choose" to be tortured. I just don't think the story, or the threat, is credible.
azsuperman01 9 months ago
@Npixelvd i been going to church for 2 years now, i stopped when my grandma passed away and just started back up but no matter what i do i cant find jesus truthfully, i try and try every week and nothing, so does that mean since i cant find him and he not showing himself to me does that mean that i deserve to be tortured forever. i believe in god but not necesarily the bible i feel the bible was written for a guideline of living that people should go buy to make the world a better place, i also
sllyfan 9 months ago
Hell is a life sentence without chance for parole. its simply for punishment of sins. christianity teaches that if u live a life contrary 2 God's word, ur not going 2 spend eternity with him & d only other place to go to is hell. its not a correctional facility. its just a place 2 go. if anythin, it is a way to separate the criminals from the civilians not cos God is worried about d safety of d people in heaven but cos he doesnt want d lifestyle of d people in hell 2 b brought into heaven
sweetdietqueen 10 months ago
@sweetdietqueen Just punishment for punishment sake? Thank goodness humans are more kind that God. Humans use punishment to accomplish goals (correct behavior, protection, etc). I guess I should qualify that, historically there have been many tyrants who have tortured people just for the sake of watching them die... so I guess some humans have historically shared God's values.
azsuperman01 9 months ago
@azsuperman01 lol if u hated God on earth why should u get to go to heaven (not refering to u). im sure im not the only one who would like to see hitler burn in hell for all eternity lol yes earthly punishment is a lot easier/kinder than eternal one. more reason to be worried. people go out of their way to make sure they're law abiding citizen so they can stay out of the court room but many people dont even care what happens to them after they die
tbc
sweetdietqueen 9 months ago
cont'd
also after d 2nd coming, d anti christ will rule d world 4 some years during which, ppl in hell will bearth with him & they can either choose d antichrist or Christ. if they chose d anti christ, they get 666 printed on their foreheads. if they chose christ then they get 2 live in torture 4 100's of yrs. after which God is finally going 2 get rid of d anti-christ & his 666 followers & those who refused d 666 would get 2 go 2 heavn cos i guess they've proved they're not going back to sin
sweetdietqueen 9 months ago
@sweetdietqueen You R Naive! Would I torture my enemies forever? NO!
This God is so desperate for our love that he's willing to TORTURE us 4ever!
How Sweet and merciful!
flightkiller09 8 months ago
@flightkiller09 LOL and im the one who's Naive? if u do the crime, u have to do the time. it is what it is, no point arguing, it wont change anything. Your opinion doesnt count, neither does mine
sweetdietqueen 8 months ago
@sweetdietqueen To your God (the bible is Specific): "Disbelief" is the biggest, unforgivable crime".
Anyway: have you ever been afraid of Allah? I know you do not care about the Arab hell.
In Same way it is just "a belief", just like the bible's God.
I don't care about Allah or the bible. Both are "BELIEFS".
flightkiller09 8 months ago
Hell was taken from the name of a Germanic goddess, "Hel". We call her Hella now to differentiate from the Christian twisting. "Hel" is not a place of torture. It is the place for those who did not die in battle to live out in comfort, away from life's fears or troubles.
FollowerOfTheGods 11 months ago
Why is it that people view worship as a bad thing? They truly have no knowledge or clue of what it is or means. Why is it such a bad thing to Love Christ? Serving God is not a drag like most ppl make it out to be. Even if someone could prove that God didn't exist.....I can tell you Jesus is one person id love to imitate and live like.
thewisenashvillestar 11 months ago
Society has screwed up the purpose of why we give people the death penalty. It's no to save other people, it's to take away their rights to live. That's what the death penalties purpose when it first started, but crazy idiotic liberals made it seem as though the government has no right to take away a person's life for a crime.
Indycritic 11 months ago
The actual purpose of hell is to punish Lucifer and his demons, NOT US! The reason people ARE sent to hell is because of their sins and refusal to accept God's forgivness through Christ, what if you commited a crime and told the judge he had no authority over you because you didn't like his system of justice and so on, would that change the fact that you commited a crime or that he DOES have that authority, NO! Hell about punishing sin and DETERING people from it, "23 minutes in Hell" good book!
CommonSense1208 1 year ago