Pyroluria, zinc and B6 deficiency, can cause anxiety and depression, Joan Mathews Larson, PhD

[JubileeGiggles]

Dr. Andrew Saul has an extensive site discussing the enormous impact of vitamins on mental and emotional health. He recommends large doses of certain ones as the only way to get a therapeutic effect, the same thing Dr. Larson is recommending. He also talks a lot about Niacin, or B3, in correcting mental disorders such as schizophrenia. Bill W. of Alcoholics Anonymous highly regarded B3 in the treatment of alcoholism.

[floydfan82]

Do a Google search of biocenterlab . org

[floydfan82]

FOR PYRROLES TEST KITS CALL:

BIO-CENTER LABORATORY

(316) 684-7784

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TEST!!

[supercell42]

Do you know what the recommended dose is of zinc and b6? Is there an upper limit? Thanks.

[larryshobbs]

@supercell42 I would ask Joan Mathews Larson, PhD. She is the expert. Her contact info is in the video description above. (Click on "Show More" above to view the description.) Taking too much zinc can cause a copper deficiency which can cause problems -- joint pain, etc -- so I would be careful about this. You can also search Joan's site for what she says about zinc and B6. Do a Google search for "site:joanmathewslarson[dot]co­m zinc" to find the pages where she talks about zinc. Larry Hobbs

[Kyjo34]

I have a lot of these symptoms but I have a good dream recall. Do you have to have a poor dream reall to have Pyroluria!? I dream every night and can usually remember the last two dreams.

[larryshobbs]

@Kyjo34 I don't know if poor dream recall is absolutely necessary to have pyroluria, but I doubt that it. The only way to know for sure if you have it is to send your urine to BioCenter Lab in Wichita, Kansas and have it tested. An important point is that Dr. Larson does lab tests for everything to prove what is wrong, whereas Psychiatry does NO lab testing, and instead diagnoses everything from a book.Larry Hobbs

[blakkorchyd]

If you're having symptoms that mimic pyroluria you can probably try to supplement for a couple of weeks to see if this is something that may help you. It's what I did, and I'm having pretty good results with it. If I start to feel 'wrong' then I'll stop but as I understand it, taking under 750 mg of B6 a day and 75 mg of zinc (morning and noon) won't kill me. You'd have to take massive amounts to have a health problems with basic nutrients. Luck to all who need the help!

[hokuspokus29]

I have genetical version of pyrroluria, tried supplements, but B6 didn`t change my depression or dream recall. White flecks on nails went away after 3 months with zinc.

Who else have experience?

[FletcherHabit]

@hokuspokus29 I have pyroluria diagnosed 2 years ago and for me its been very important to rebuild my adrenals in order to truly see benefit from the b6/zinc

[Jelloeyessuck]

These disease is the devil! It has killed my soul my whole life! I'm am 21 years old now trying to get my health and life back

[aman00777]

The absolute upper limit was 0.08, my result was 0.08... So I wasnt even under, I was right on the border line! and Anything more is classed as Pyroluria! Thanks

[larryshobbs]

@aman00777 Thanks for the info.

Larry Hobbs

[aman00777]

Hello I just got my results, BIOLAB in UK. Urine Kryptopyrroles: 0.03 (up to 0.08) Kryptopyrroles corrected for osmolality: 0.08 (up to 0.08) My Symptoms • ridges on the nails, • Crowded teeth, • Nervous habits • impatience • Irritability • Avoiding stress and conflict but has a hot temper • Dry skin • Inability to easily remember dreams, • Tendency to hoard, • Procrastination • Tendency to be obsessive • Inability to "turn their mind off” • Frequent insomnia • on edge

[larryshobbs]

@aman00777 I don't know the normal ranges for Kryptopyrroles.

Did the lab tell you what the normal ranges were?

If not, I would contact them and ask.

If you get a chance, let us know.

Thanks.

You can also read about Pyroluria in Joan Mathews Larson's website.

JoanMathewsLarson [DOT] com

Larry Hobbs

[RETIREMESOON]

Wait that's ME !!!!!!!!

since I was 12 in 1972 IBS,anxiety,depression,white spots on nails,extreme inner tension etc. etc.

I am just about to try "TRUE HOPE EMPOWER PLUS " with mega vitamin,minerals and amino acids.

I have been wondering were the deficiency was in the brain.

39 years of suffering may now come to an end. :0)

Self medicating with alcohol,weed,tranquilizers,add­ictions ...and with ....VERY little tollerance for NORMAL stress that life serves up.

[larryshobbs]

@RETIREMESOON Let us know how you do. I encourage you to have your urine tested by Bio-Center Lab so that you have proof. You have to send it overnight in dry ice. Call them to find out the exact details. Bio-Center Lab 3100 North Hillside Wichita, Kansas 67219 (316) 684-7784 phone Jim Jackson, PhD When you get the results, I would also call Dr. Larson to find out exactly how to treat it. Also realize that modern medicine does not recognize this and may tell you it is nonsense Larry Hobbs

[abcarl0s]

Update:

I had the test done with bio-center too & it came back as 6, negative. However 2 be certain I had the test also done at KEAC in the netherlands. They do a slightly different test (vitamin diagnostics also do this test) with measures HPL. In this KEAC HPL test I tested positive. Dr Klinghardt says most pyroluria tests just measure the kyrptopyrroles which are an offshoot of the main HPL compound and around 30% of pyrolurics will test negative in most pyroluria tests. Its all v confusing

[Fattboy26]

How much should one supplement for this?

[abcarl0s]

@Fattboy26 Google "kpu_klinghardt_explore_18-6.p­df" for the article by Scott Forsgren for a protocol (sorry can't post links)

[larryshobbs]

@Fattboy26 I would contact Joan Mathews Larson, PhD and ask about this. Joan Mathews Larson, PhD Health Recovery Center 3255 Hennepin Av S Minneapolis, MN 55408 USA 1-800-554-9155 phone toll-free (612) 827-7800 phone (612) 827-1948 fax joanmathewslarson [DOT] com hrc@healthrecovery [DOT] com -------- Larry Hobbs

[blakkorchyd]

@Fattboy26 Buy her book, Depression Free Naturally, it gives some nitty-gritty basics that you can try. The book only runs around $15. I've read it a couple of times and still refer back to it. Much luck!

[herbal1971]

There's a guy on Youtube (I think it's the 55fix, he calls it). He thinks pyroluria is actually a virus, rather than genetic.

[abcarl0s]

@herbal1971 yeh i heard of it/him, im sceptical myself. there doesnt seem to be anyone who paid the fee and reported if the protocol worked for them or not.

i've seen it suggested the condition could be caused by leaky gut. if ure on facebook search for "Applied Analytical Laboratories" and go to discussions for an article mentioning this.

[herbal1971]

@abcarl0s Thanks. Am not on Facebook (I don't like it) but I'll get an account set up and have a look.

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[abcarl0s]

I live in UK and got my test done through Biolab in london, however they use AU units, does anyone know if there is anyway to convert this into the more common measuring unit used which i beleive is ug/dl? Thanks

[larryshobbs]

@abcarl0s I would contact the lab that did your work and ask them what the conversion is.

You can also contact this lab in the US:

Bio Center Laboratory

Wichita, Kansas, USA

Jim Jackson, PhD

biocenterlab [DOT] org

[abcarl0s]

@larryshobbs 1/2 Thanks for the reply Larry, however I think I'm on my own with this. I contacted biolab initially and they made it clear I would need to ask any questions to my practitioner. They require you do the test via a practitioner. I don't have a practitioner however I did manage to get the test done via one, however I got the impression the practitioner knows little about the test.

Also bio center did not respond when i asked them if they knew of anywhere in the UK

[abcarl0s]

@larryshobbs 2/2 Also Bio Center ignored my first email when I asked if I knew of anywhere in the UK to have the test. They responded to my second enquiry but I suggested I would be having the test done via them. So it seems bio center don't want to help people unless they are having the test done via them.

[larryshobbs]

@abcarl0s I just emailed Bio-Center Lab in the USA and asked what the conversion factor is. When I hear back, I'll let you know.

[abcarl0s]

@larryshobbs Wow larry, I thank you gratefully for doing that, I hope they respond and hopefully the info will also help others in the future.

[larryshobbs]

@abcarl0s You're welcome. I'll post it when I hear back from them.

[SovereignPatriot]

I struggled through school. I had anxiety, very high stress, and many of the other symptoms mentioned on this video. My mother learned about the Health Research Institute in Warrenville, IL. (Saw it on the Donahue Show) I have been treated for Pyroluria almost 20 years now. I can tell you without a doubt, the diagnosis and treatment of Pyroluria has completely changed my life!.You can get more info on where I was treated: Pfeiffer Treatment Center

[larryshobbs]

@SovereignPatriot Thank you very much for sharing your story.

[abcarl0s]

Thanks for the informative vid.

I have a question that I was hoping someone could answer. I'm about to have the test for Pyroluria but I have already been taking zinc and b6. Do I need to stop taking these prior to the test so that I will have an accurate result? Thanks

[larryshobbs]

@abcarl0s Call or email BioCenter Lab and ask them. They can tell you. The phone number and email address are listed above.

[abcarl0s]

@larryshobbs Thankyou, and so other people know, they said 5 days

[OnaTutors]

Thank you for this very informative video. Very kewl. I, also, have been diagnosed with pyroluria. On facebook I just started a group, "Pyroluria Place", anyone is welcome to join. Let's all learn from eachother. Keep those videos and studies coming. I'd love to participate in a Clinical Trial for Pyroluria when there is one. :)

[djadvance22]

Those symptoms are a classic example of casting a wide net. I bet close to everyone relates to at least five.

[larryshobbs]

@djadvance22

Having the symptoms only suggests the possibility of pyroluria.

The only way to know for sure is to have a urine test analyzed by a lab that knows how to test for it, such as BioCenter Lab in Wichita, Kansas.

This is one thing that Joan Mathews Larson does with all of her patients that is different than modern psychiatry. She does lab tests on everybody so you have proof of what is wrong.

Modern psychiatry does NOT diagnose patients based on lab tests, but from a book.

[herbal1971]

Thanks Larry. I'll do that.

[herbal1971]

I hope that other labs do the test correctly, as I live in the UK!

[larryshobbs]

@herbal1971 I would suggest you contact the BioCenter Lab that Dr. Larson uses to find out if they know of a lab in the UK that knows how to test for this. Dr. Larson noted that she tried another lab, but they kept telling her there was no problem, however, they were wrong and did not know how to test for this. BioCenter Lab 3100 N Hillside Wichita, KS 67219 800-494-7785 phone 316-684-7784 phone 316-682-2062 fax brightspot[dot]org biocenterlab[at]brightspot[dot­]org

[scblack17]

help i hate being nervous and having paronoia all the time

[larryshobbs]

@scblack17

I feel sorry for anyone who feels nervous and paranoid.

Dr. Larson's contact information is listed further down in the comments. (YouTube makes it difficult to list phone numbers and website or I would simply list it again.)

Her website is

healthrecovery

D O T

com

[researchfiend]

Thank you for posting this video!

[frydchde88]

This stuff is serious, B6 is making wonders..

[300sooks]

it helped in so many ways I can't tell you, and all the symptoms on here describe me 100%. B6 really helps and I have been on numerous Antideppressants and 2 wks of this made me feel like I was so happy and on ecstasi! i get cramps and etc on my face i take p5p as well which helps. Do you think this is just by chance or do i in fact have it, and If i do is it really that severe. I have probs since childhood and the reall probs started after puberty.

[larryshobbs]

300,

The only way to know if a person has Pyroluria is to have your urine tested by the following lab.

Bio Center Laboratory

Dr. Laron notes that other labs do NOT do the test correctly.

But if you feel better on zinc, B6 and p5p, then I would just keep taking it.

Thanks for the info.

Larry Hobbs

[larryshobbs]

The only way to know if a person has Pyroluria is to have your urine tested by the following lab.

Bio Center Laboratory

3100 N Hillside St

Wichita, KS 67219

(316) 684-7784 phone

Jim Jackson, PhD

biocenterlab DOT org

Dr. Laron notes that other labs do NOT do the test correctly.

[300sooks]

hey, i have an important question or you, and thnxzx for this vid btw. About a year ago i started ZInc suppl. Before that I was riddled with depression and anxiety to a crippling level +acne. The zinc was a miracle drug, within 2 wks i was completely diff. I went to my doc and told him but he didn't believe me and offered no help. I decided to start b6 supp on my own and at first it was bad but over time it my face felt cohesive and my nose felt like it was connected to my face

[larryshobbs]

300,

Thanks for sharing your story.

Very interesting.

I am not surprised that your doctor did not believe you.

Larry Hobbs

[fireiciclespark]

If it's correct pyrroles are a by-product of adrenaline production, is this why pyroluria becomes worse under stress?

[bamptonbred]

I just got my resuilts back and my level was 18, i have heared this is boarder line..

My main symptom is anxiety...

I want to try zinc and b6 to see if my symptoms improve.

Can anyone give me an idea of how much i need to start taking daily

im 31, have heared age can effect dosage

Thanks!

[larryshobbs]

Bamptonbred, Based on her website, it appears that Dr. Larson gives 25-50 mg of Zinc per day 100-500 mg of Vitamin B6 She also gives: 10 mg of Phosphatidal 5 Phosphate 100-3000 mg of Vitamin B3 (niacinamide) 100-1000 mg of Vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid) 5-20 mg of Manganese. Zinc can cause depletion. 350-1000 mg Magnesium -- taking half the dose of vitamin B6 I don't know if age affects the dose required.

[bamptonbred]

Thanks! Looking at the symptoms, im not really sure i have it.. but i will give it ago..

I dont have any white specs on my nails, and my dream recall seems ok..

[bamptonbred]

I hope i aint got it, because of this codex thing, banning all supplement...

You think this will happen?

[larryshobbs]

Dr. Larson also notes on her website:

"Pyrolurics respond very quickly to nutritional treatment. I have observed that within one week there is noticeable relief and often substantial recovery will occur within three to six months. However, the treatment regimen is ongoing, throughout their lives."

[dbztiki]

maybe you should speak to a professional. just don't overdo it on the zinc 50 mg should be fine to start with.

[paq71]

Search PYROLURIA on Facebook to join this group. Discussions, resources and people experiences.

[OnaTutors]

@paq71

I just found the page PYROLURIA on Facebook and joined. Now, I formed a group from that page called PYROLURIA PLACE a place for sharing about pyroluria. Come join us. :)

[lasercat10cc]

What is the music ?

[GazzaBazzaPussyCat]

@lasercat10cc One of the tunes used is a bit of Next Year by Foo Fighters.

[dbztiki]

So what actually causes the pyroluria in the first place?

[larryshobbs]

Here is more of what Bio-Center says:

In normal urine, the amount of pyrroles excreted is small, less than 20 ug/dL.

[They bind with B6 and zinc.]

As large amounts of pyrroles are excreted in the urine, it depletes the blood of B6 and zinc.

[Elevated levels of pyrroles] may be found in the urine of 11% of "normals;" 24% of "disturbed children;" 42% of psychiatric patients, and 52% of schizophrenic patients.

Larry Hobbs

[dbztiki]

Yes but what causes pyroluria to manifest itself? Just like everyone could have cancer but what makes it come out of hiding? My guess it is the diet. We eat all this crap that our genes were never designed to take in causing genetic anomalies. While we were in the womb our childhood. We never really had a choice of what we ate.

[larryshobbs]

dbztiki,

I tried to post this a couple of times, but it would not let me.

It is from the Bio-Center website.

Pyrroles appear in the urine of patients undergoing severe physiological or psychological stress.

The presence of urinary pyrroles was first reported in patients with LSD psychosis.

Later, high levels of pyrroles were found in the urine of schizophrenic patients.

It is also called kryptopyrrole. Kryptos comes from the Greek word "hidden."

Larry Hobbs

[dbztiki]

Thanks for the response.

[larryshobbs]

dbztiki,

You're welcome.

Larry Hobbs

[fireiciclespark]

Larry, may I ask a question?

If pyroluria is a disorder people are born with, how come some people with it don't get depressed with it for many years?

Shouldn't everyone with pyrole disorder be unable to manufacture adequate levels of serotonin from birth?

[larryshobbs]

fireiciclespark,

My impression from what she said is that it tends to get worse as people get older.

Larry Hobbs

[AppleSouffle]

Great question! Pyroluria starts rolling in the middle to late teen years, though I've never read why the body would suddenly crank up production of pyrroles when you're in the 9th grade or so.

I read a story about a teen girl. She spent hours in her room, crying for no apparent reason. She was very depressed. It turned out to be pyroluria.

With zinc and B-6, she gradually improved. It takes at least 2 weeks to notice improvement and several months to feel okay.

[AppleSouffle]

Dbztiki, pyroluria is caused by pyrroles, useless byproducts from making red blood cells.

With most people, the kidneys dump the pyrroles into the urine and you pee them out.

With some people, the body makes way too many pyrroles and they attach to the B-6 and zinc in the blood, then you pee out zinc and B-6.

The thing is to take so much B-6 and zinc that your body still has some after you pee out a bunch.

And arachidonic acid is supposed to help, found in eggs.

[dbztiki]

@AppleSouffle Thanx for the replies. But what I was trying to figure what causes this genetic malfunction in the first. I've been taking b6 and zince for almost 3 months now. Still don't have dream recall but I only take 100mg of b6.

[AppleSouffle]

Oooh, I don't know about the genetics of pyroluria. It probably started because of a mutation. Humans have over 4,000 genetic disorders.

If you do have it, 100 mg of B-6 isn't enough. I take 5, 100 mg capsules, 1 when I get up, the rest spread out through the day until 5:30 or 6 pm.

With many people, if they take B-6 too late in the day, it will keep them awake, no matter how tired they are! So be careful.

First time I took B-6 at 9 pm, I was awake all night long!

Good health to you!

[unityemissions]

@dbztiki

Hey buddy. I have the condition, too. Try adding p5p, the activated form of b6 to your regiment. I'm taking 50mg p5p & 100mg b6 to deal with pyroluria. I now have dream recall.

[300sooks]

Hey, I am almost positive i have had this for a while. I had been suffering with all these symptoms and almost went insane at the turn of puberty, it turned out that everytime i ejaculated i got worse. It turned out i had a zinc defficiency that has been mostly corrected with suppplements, I now realize that this is what i had and i told my doctor about it today and he looked at me like wtf. I don't know what you are talking about. I get really moody and am desperate for a cure

[larryshobbs]

To have your urine tested for pyroluria, call:

Bio Center Laboratory

3100 N Hillside St

Wichita, KS 67219-3904

(316) 684-7784 phone

Jim Jackson, PhD

biocenterlab DOT org

Dr. Laron notes that other labs do NOT do the test correctly.

[larryshobbs]

Also note that Dr. Larson says there are 15 common causes of depression, requiring different treatments.

Psychiatrist Daniel Amen, MD has done 50,000 brain scans and notes there are 7 different brain patterns of depression, and that treating all of them the same invites disaster.

Each one requires a different treatment.

Beware: My impression is that most doctors have never heard of pyroluria, and so are likely to dismiss it as nonsense.

[VeGezus]

Wow, I never thought my depression had anything to do with my zinc defieciency.

If I continue to take calcium magnesium and zinc vitamins along with a high zinc diet, will this cure my depression?

[larryshobbs]

Dr. Larson states that there are at least 12 common causes of depression. Pyroluria, which can be cured with zinc and large doses of vitamin B6, is just one of them. Dr. Larson does specific lab tests to determine if a person has pyroluria. She also uses a specific lab, because another lab she tried, did not do the test correctly. Other causes she talks about are: - low thyroid - food allergies - hypoglycemia - vitamin dependencies - etc You might also read her book Depression Free.

[90sKidSarah]

hi,

i am 15 years old and developed this problem when i was 11.

My mum got me to take zinc and b6 from then on,

It really helped but when i miss a dose my mood goes downhill again, also i think i may be missing some vitamin because my mood still isn't right...

[larryshobbs]

Sarah,

You and your Mom might want to read Dr. Larson's book "Depression-Free, Naturally" to see if you relate to anything else she talks about.

Dr. Larson discusses many things that can cause mood problems such as food allergies such as to wheat and dairy, and chemical sensitivities, as well as vitamin deficiencies.

She also talks hypoglycemia as a cause of mood problems.

Sorry to hear you still experiencing mood problems.

I'm sure you will find the solution if you keep looking.

Thank you

[DefeatADDnow]

Pyroluria can cause secondary deficiencies to zinc and B6 such as deficiencies in manganese,vit C,vit E,omega 6 fatty acids,cysteine.

[DefeatADDnow]

B6 increases gluthione which detoxifies mercury and other toxins. If you were low in B6 in the past you could have accumulated mercury.

[DefeatADDnow]

If you have a silver fillings in your mouth get them out ASAP with a holistic dentist because are you are being exposed to mercury.

[DefeatADDnow]

Mercury causes hypothryoidism and hypothyroidism causes depression.

[DefeatADDnow]

To check for and treat mercury poisoning go to a Defeat Autism Now doctor.

To learn about hypothyroidism go to stopthethyroidmadnessdotcom.

[larryshobbs]

You're very welcome.

In case they gave you a different number, you can also call the International Society for Orthomolecular Medicine and ask them if they know of a doctor who lives near you.

This is probably the same number that Dr. Larson's office gave you.

International Society for Orthomolecular Medicine

16 Florence Avenue

Toronto, Ontario, Canada M2N 1E9

Tel. (416) 733-2117

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I imagine the college health center will think it is nonsense and not be familiar with the test.

[SexyDrBitch]

Ok sorry for writing so much but i called and the secretary gave me a number to call so that i can find a place near me. They are going to either email me or call me back. They took my name, email and number. I am going to contact my college's health center just in case if they can do my testing......i am really desperate for help. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INFO!!!!

[SexyDrBitch]

It is ok for me to start trying out ZINC and B6 without having a proper diagnosis? Seriously i am desperate and i am pretty sure i have it. I have a doc appointment march 12 and i can't wait for that. I need something now because this is really taking over my life. Sometimes i feel like killing myself, and i am always anxious and having to pee. Then this stupid nauseous and seizures and it really bothers me. I also get stitches when i try exercising and i always feel tire...... :(.

[larryshobbs]

I'm sorry you feel so badly.

If it were me, I would go ahead and try it.

I would also call Dr. Larson's clinic to ask for specific advise on how much to take and when to take it.

I believe she uses about 40 mg of zinc and 600 mg of vitamin B6, which she divides into at least 3 doses, so 200 mg three times per day.

There are many other natural supplements that have antianxiety and antidepressant effects. such as 1,000 mg of niacinamide three times per day for a total of 3000 mg per day.

[SexyDrBitch]

ok thank you so much and sorry for bothering you. I am going to give her a call right now thanks.

[larryshobbs]

Large doses of vitamin C also have anti-stress properties.

Here is Dr. Larson's contact information.

I would both call and email them.

Joan Mathews Larson, PhD

Health Recovery Center

3255 Hennepin Av S

Minneapolis, MN 55408 USA

1-800-554-9155 phone toll-free

(612) 827-7800 phone

(612) 827-1948 fax

[larryshobbs]

Dr. Larson also notes that wheat, dairy and sugar can make people feel anxious, depressed and even suicidal.

I would also try eliminating them completely for 3 weeks and see if you notice a difference.

[larryshobbs]

Dr. Jonathan Wright also notes that he has found that about 70 percent of patients with general unexplained fatigued are helped when they go on a bland diet eliminating all common food allergens such as wheat, soy, dairy, corn, citrus fruits, and I forget what else.

Dr. Larson says she has seen the most amazing turn arounds after figuring out what people are allergic to and eliminating it from their diet.

[SexyDrBitch]

Also, i have a question i have all the symptoms of pyroluria. I also PEE A LOT!!!!! I thought i had a bladder problem but they checked and everything is fine. My Urine has a really bad smell!! Also, bad body ordor, very unusual smell although i shower constantly and daily. It does not smell natural, my feet are always cold and sometimes i get this seizure. My body shakes and i get a weird sensation in my brain.

[larryshobbs]

I don't know what the cause is, but I would guess that it is all related to your feeling bad.

[SexyDrBitch]

Ok thanks i am going to call tomorrow.

[larryshobbs]

The Pfeiffer Treatment Center also has an Outreach program where they travel to several places around the country during the year.

It is listed on their website.

Go to their website, then click on "Outreach Clinic Schedule" on the left.

[larryshobbs]

The website for the International Society for Orthomolecular Medicine is:

orthomed DOT org

[larryshobbs]

Sorry, I misread your comment.

I see that you DON'T live close to Illinois.

You can also call the International Society for Orthomolecular Medicine and ask them if their are any doctors near you who practice the same way.

International Society for Orthomolecular Medicine

16 Florence Avenue

Toronto, Ontario, Canada M2N 1E9

Tel. (416) 733-2117

Fax (416) 733-2352

[SexyDrBitch]

Ok thanks, i am going to call them tomorrow.

[larryshobbs]

Their website is

hriptc  DOT org

[larryshobbs]

Carl Pfieffer was a giant in figuring out how to treat people with natural supplements.

Their website has:

- FAQ -- Frequently Asked Questions

- Patient Information Packet

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Carl Pfieffer said that anything a drug can do, there is a natural supplement which can do the same thing.

[larryshobbs]

Pfeiffer Treatment Center

Health Research Institute

4575 Weaver Parkway

Warrenville, IL 60555-4039

866-504-6076 Toll-free phone

630-505-0300 phone

[larryshobbs]

The Pfieffer Treatment Center in Warrenville, Illinois also treats people with natural supplements the same way that Dr. Larson does.

[SexyDrBitch]

I called them but i don't live near Illinois :( i don't know what to do, i feel really bad.