I cant make a normal match on PES 2011 is just full of bugs..I want the tricks to be like in FIFA is it so hard??? I think that they ruin the game...Why the **** the newer game is shit compare to PES 5 or 6?!?!?
I can make an example of FIFA series. FIFA 2011 is better than 2010 is better than 2009 and so on..
PES need total new trick and dribbling sistem... The backdrag and all tricks like this, close control tricks must be doing with R2 +DPad, other difficult tricks like 360 Roulete and ect must be on Right Analog stick. Total new, rebiuld of online mode.. now online mode is STUPID and unusable.. we need to can chat with ALL when we want , better response and control... ahh there so much thing need to fix.. :X Konami cant do that i dont belive any more it's possible to be maded quality game ...
I hate it when you are close to scoring a goal, the fans are singing the same nonsense over and over again, in FIFA 11 they get really hyped start screaming, if u miss, they shut up.
Your doing a good job but it will fall on deaf ears,take it from me ive worked for konami and know how seabass thinks.
All this pr bull is lip service to the fans,konami put there bottom line and profits before they do there fans.Plus they dont really care about the western market.If they can shift a few hundred units in japan and overseas there happy,there not interested in spending millions on tech that would actually bring the series in-line with the physics and ai that games now have.
Nice video spooky,but a word of advice,find a different game to spend your free time trying to change.Pes2012 will be no better then the last three years i guarantee it.
The biggest problem is pes2011 technically is about 2 generations behind most other games on the market.Konami just keep window dressing a tired and broken formula.
Theres a interesting article on IGN about the state of japanese game development which kind of sums up why pes and many other japanese ips are so far behind the west .
Sometimes you have to invest early in a current generational technology,not wait five years before taking the ps3 and xbox seriously.
@solarcircles1 You are obviously over reacting, They totally redid the ''broken formula'' and in fact, they try to make it user friendly, it is still one of the best sold games in japan and with the smallness of the studio they have I think they do a brilliant job, Its way too easy to talk about things. Sometimes people like to say one thing : DO IT YOURSELF! XD
Its not really that different from any other pes,its just a re-moulding of the same scripted and contrived formula that uses paper,scissor,stone mechanics and is totally stat driven,contrived and scripted sharing very little in common with real football.
Im not over-reacting or being a troll,you just have to much blind faith in a develper based on probably two good games in its lifetime(pes5/6).
If you and thousands of others can see the flaws do you not think konami can.
@solarcircles1 The game is 100x different, and its a great game, im enjoying it still 2/3 hours a day. can you imagine what a redo would do, if you think out of the box. but there is actually a totally new base. and this needs to be stretched forward to make it even better.
Spooky - nice video, I agree with most of them (I never used fake shot so I don't know enough to agree with that one).
One thing - your bicycle kick category should be side-volleys or scissors kicks. They're not bicycle kicks. Bicycle kicks are reverse overhead volleys with the player's back to goal.
1. old pes fake shot was an exploit and too effective, 3, the game gets harder depending on tactics and especially time length, 12, again its about tactics and 21, i feel there's a big enough difference already. apart from that, spot on, hope to see more
@nocternalD 1. In pes2009 it was an exploit all of the sudden, they slid into you every single time and you could easily fake shot all the time, but in PES6 this was otherwise, also while doing it the ball should get more away from you loosing a bit control, 3. You should be able to use your best tactics and even on lower teams it is to easy for people like me, also CL mode. and it shouldn't do any harm to add some harder difficulty level? its not like your difficulty levels change,
@SpoOky1611 (nocternald is my other account) ok, thats cool, just remember on PES 6 the fake shot being over effective, 2009 was a horror show but it was too automated! As for the difficulty what i meant was if you played 25-30 minute matches the game is harder than on 15 and especially 10! You can't create a fair AI to challenge you on 10 minute matches! I just had a 25 minute match vs a Barcelona using custom tactics and lost 7-1 :( (just pes thread)
@SpoOky1611 nah, we have to consider what is possible and what isn't, We have to think, how can we have an AI which is smart enough to outplay us fairly in 10 minutes without excessively cheating? It's not possible unless the Ai cheats like it did in PES 5,6 etc.. the AI has always cheated since there isn't the AI available, i believe 10 minutes is too short for realsim, so PES 5 will always remain the king in that respect. i have a post about it on evo web :)
@klashman69 True, But defenders not even pressuring you properly when you can dribble without any tricks around them way too easily is just not how it should be, In PES5 you had much less freedom and the fake shot was implented properly. it wasn't over effective. In PES2009 it was over effective for AI players.
@SpoOky1611 hmm, that was an issue in the beginning,it's less so after the patch but i only ever play 10 minute games with MLO or online so. It's true like with fifa 10 especially, the more freedom you have, the easier it is, compared to PES5! Thats why i think on 10 minutes it needs to be like PES 5 was, it's fine though on longer halfs! On Evo web i have a whole topic about how many minutes you play pes for.
@rptimao Why don´t you first look there before you write something, This video has been sent straigh to konami and jon murphy by ADAM from wenb which i thank him for.
Only talking about gameplay... I posted a lot o video responses here
PES needs a new 360º control system, see 3:38, the PSV player, I think you know what I'm talking about. There was one shot animation in PES6, 2007 until 2010 that was very realistic.
Messi and CR7 could have their own running and shooting animations (not the PES 2011 star dribbling, the ball closer to the player's feet). Very good video
I want to be able to make shoes and in become a legend on a corner kick and if it gets cleared to outside the penalty box they always take bicycle kicks and kick it too high over the goal
As for gameplay, the old all manual cursor switch has to return. The tricks system has to be reconfigured for some moves like the elastico (look at FIFA) and add some more tricks. The chipped thru-ball very often never passes the first defender. The regular cross into the box is all too random and often overhit. Shooting needs tweaking for example in the slightest bit of pressure can result in a soft lolipop shot. Players emotionless expression after scoring needs to be looked at.
I want a more difficult Master League offline mode like in PES 2010 where money was tight and it was hard to buy superstar players plus the menus where unique and much more cool looking. Bring back Umbro P.T.C training of PES2 where you had different challenges like placing freekicks in the top corners or dribbling around cones mazes. For online, give us the option to back out if the other players keeps choosing Barca in the team select menu. Let us use our BAL player in ML offline.
There should be a self-contained UEFA Europe League-mode, and - of course - more licenses. I know that they're given over years and not yearly new, but a complete original Bundesliga would still be worth a lot for the germans.
@FM09Freak1 Aren't we, The fans, all kind off developers by having our say too the cons and pro of the game? They make it, they try to add as many ideas and please everyone, we can only help!
@SpoOky1611 Yeah you're right, and there's even been a survey on prorevo.de about wishes for the next part and critics of the current one. But I guess someone who's been playing PES since his birth (approximately) like you is more eligible than any IT-expert
first of all: great video! really love it. could you do a video about what improved from pes 2010 to pes 2011? or even things konami shouldnt change in pes 2012? thanks
@RMCFutbol That is one thing i do want to make a video off! What NOT to change. Because every year features are left out that were cool and shouldn't be left out of the game!
stumbling when a player does a 3 secound stumble then leans fowards and stands for a secound its very annoying basicly cut it down, not 20 times a game when you pass the ball in BAL your player will stand still for 1 secound also annoying, also the game needs life such as atmosphre and crowrds rival teams booing players all that and players moving like faces hair kits and kits getting dirty so many things that i can say but i havent got the space on here
@breslin123 Since when is all that last part gameplay style? ha! I only ask for gameplay today, graphics will come later. all the little extra's like you call there are in the list. i have a 20 page list ;)
I hate it when you make a soft volley when someone holds your guy, it just lands inside the hands of the keeper while normally it would be just a (hard) shot.
@1234dragonsky I am a pc player? :O It is just a usual term since PES3 when it were still playstation buttons on PC. Lets say the R2 shooting is just the aimed shooting.
@1234dragonsky I said that i played on PC and the OLD pes always had PS buttons, the NEW Pes have Xbox buttons, But i'm still thinking like PS buttons.
oh my god im first (look its me first commenting !:D) uhm first i would like to thank my mom, my dad ehh... my sister ofcourse aaaaand.. my dog and my cat and all u guys's support! thx byeee
I cant make a normal match on PES 2011 is just full of bugs..I want the tricks to be like in FIFA is it so hard??? I think that they ruin the game...Why the **** the newer game is shit compare to PES 5 or 6?!?!?
I can make an example of FIFA series. FIFA 2011 is better than 2010 is better than 2009 and so on..
In PES is the opposite!!!
iliatilev 7 months ago
Geezus i thought i was an ok player.....you play so well that it looks like i got zero skills
mikestonecold 10 months ago
what camera are using at 1:34 if custom what are the setting angle etc
shumpe24 10 months ago
Sort out the magnet ball physics.
1) Rebounds and loose balls keep going to the opposition who does not have to move.
2) Pass interceptions are just perfect passes to the CPU player.
3) Loose passes always go to the side the CPU is challenging your receiving player on.
4) Heading clearances will go to the nearest CPU player.
5) 9 out of 10 CPU goals come from rebounds off the goalie, yet 9 out of 10 rebounds off the CPU goalie goes to the CPU defenders.
LucifersUncle 10 months ago
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LucifersUncle 10 months ago
More licences and better game play
LewisJones28 10 months ago
PES need total new trick and dribbling sistem... The backdrag and all tricks like this, close control tricks must be doing with R2 +DPad, other difficult tricks like 360 Roulete and ect must be on Right Analog stick. Total new, rebiuld of online mode.. now online mode is STUPID and unusable.. we need to can chat with ALL when we want , better response and control... ahh there so much thing need to fix.. :X Konami cant do that i dont belive any more it's possible to be maded quality game ...
AntrAcsA 1 year ago
I play Pro Evolution Soccer since PES6
but i think 2011 is the best
i hope konami don't change the gameplay
they just need improve that
especially for the AI to be more difficult
TheFallconz 1 year ago
I play Pro Evolution Soccer since PES6
but i think 2011 is the best
i hope konami don't change the gameplay
they just need improve that
especially for the AI to be more difficult
TheFallconz 1 year ago
I hate it when you are close to scoring a goal, the fans are singing the same nonsense over and over again, in FIFA 11 they get really hyped start screaming, if u miss, they shut up.
krhysthy22 1 year ago
Your doing a good job but it will fall on deaf ears,take it from me ive worked for konami and know how seabass thinks.
All this pr bull is lip service to the fans,konami put there bottom line and profits before they do there fans.Plus they dont really care about the western market.If they can shift a few hundred units in japan and overseas there happy,there not interested in spending millions on tech that would actually bring the series in-line with the physics and ai that games now have.
solarcircles1 1 year ago
BAL=utter shit, I don't think I have to say more...
Diving headers are nonsence.
BlueACFC 1 year ago
I admire you and many others for sticking with this game.The very thought of pes2011 makes me feel sick.
Pes needs to be re-branded,its reputation has been totally destroyed over the last 4 years.
solarcircles1 1 year ago
Nice video spooky,but a word of advice,find a different game to spend your free time trying to change.Pes2012 will be no better then the last three years i guarantee it.
solarcircles1 1 year ago
@solarcircles1 Well PES2011 is enjoyable for the first time in 4 years, but it could be much better. :)
So KONAMI needs a plan to get it together some more.
SpoOky1611 1 year ago 4
@SpoOky1611
The biggest problem is pes2011 technically is about 2 generations behind most other games on the market.Konami just keep window dressing a tired and broken formula.
Theres a interesting article on IGN about the state of japanese game development which kind of sums up why pes and many other japanese ips are so far behind the west .
Sometimes you have to invest early in a current generational technology,not wait five years before taking the ps3 and xbox seriously.
solarcircles1 1 year ago
@solarcircles1 You are obviously over reacting, They totally redid the ''broken formula'' and in fact, they try to make it user friendly, it is still one of the best sold games in japan and with the smallness of the studio they have I think they do a brilliant job, Its way too easy to talk about things. Sometimes people like to say one thing : DO IT YOURSELF! XD
SpoOky1611 1 year ago
@SpoOky1611
Its not really that different from any other pes,its just a re-moulding of the same scripted and contrived formula that uses paper,scissor,stone mechanics and is totally stat driven,contrived and scripted sharing very little in common with real football.
Im not over-reacting or being a troll,you just have to much blind faith in a develper based on probably two good games in its lifetime(pes5/6).
If you and thousands of others can see the flaws do you not think konami can.
solarcircles1 1 year ago
@solarcircles1 The game is 100x different, and its a great game, im enjoying it still 2/3 hours a day. can you imagine what a redo would do, if you think out of the box. but there is actually a totally new base. and this needs to be stretched forward to make it even better.
SpoOky1611 1 year ago
4 things that could change in PES ..
1 - The cursor should not change so often, especially when played by a duo or more players.
2 - The names that are on top of the computer players, should be removed.
3 - When the ball takes the hand of the player, must be marked missing.
4 - The advantage rule should be more or less equally from Fifa, as in fifa is great.
Thx
bidudois 1 year ago
4 things that could change in PES ..
1 - The cursor should not change so often, especially when played by a duo or more players.
2 - The names that are on top of the computer players, should be removed.
3 - When the ball takes the hand of the player, must be marked faults.
4 - The advantage rule should be more or less equally from Fifa, as in fifa is great.
Thx
bidudois 1 year ago
4 things that could change in PES ..
1 - The cursor should not change so often, especially when played by a duo or more players.
2 - The names that are on top of the computer players, should be removed.
3 - When the ball takes the hand of the player, must be marked faults.
4 - The advantage rule should be more or less equally from Fifa, as in fifa is great.
Thx
bidudois 1 year ago 5
C'mon more tricks like'' RABONA PASS''
Zompopo17 1 year ago
When we can expect a new video related to animations?
mzivhotmail 1 year ago
@mzivhotmail Next week hopefully m8.
SpoOky1611 1 year ago
nice vid spooky. i feel funny doing feints with the right stick!! thanks for notice!
fatimapalacios1 1 year ago
Spooky - nice video, I agree with most of them (I never used fake shot so I don't know enough to agree with that one).
One thing - your bicycle kick category should be side-volleys or scissors kicks. They're not bicycle kicks. Bicycle kicks are reverse overhead volleys with the player's back to goal.
GregDowns 1 year ago
@GregDowns Yeh sorry, thanks for noticing, But with the clip I showed in this video I think everyone would understand what I tried to say with it :P
SpoOky1611 1 year ago
great video, just a few things
1. old pes fake shot was an exploit and too effective, 3, the game gets harder depending on tactics and especially time length, 12, again its about tactics and 21, i feel there's a big enough difference already. apart from that, spot on, hope to see more
nocternalD 1 year ago
@nocternalD 1. In pes2009 it was an exploit all of the sudden, they slid into you every single time and you could easily fake shot all the time, but in PES6 this was otherwise, also while doing it the ball should get more away from you loosing a bit control, 3. You should be able to use your best tactics and even on lower teams it is to easy for people like me, also CL mode. and it shouldn't do any harm to add some harder difficulty level? its not like your difficulty levels change,
SpoOky1611 1 year ago
@SpoOky1611 (nocternald is my other account) ok, thats cool, just remember on PES 6 the fake shot being over effective, 2009 was a horror show but it was too automated! As for the difficulty what i meant was if you played 25-30 minute matches the game is harder than on 15 and especially 10! You can't create a fair AI to challenge you on 10 minute matches! I just had a 25 minute match vs a Barcelona using custom tactics and lost 7-1 :( (just pes thread)
klashman69 1 year ago
@klashman69 Well. It should be as challenging on 10 minutes :)
Don't change yourself to the game. that is the wrong way too think IMO
SpoOky1611 1 year ago
@SpoOky1611 nah, we have to consider what is possible and what isn't, We have to think, how can we have an AI which is smart enough to outplay us fairly in 10 minutes without excessively cheating? It's not possible unless the Ai cheats like it did in PES 5,6 etc.. the AI has always cheated since there isn't the AI available, i believe 10 minutes is too short for realsim, so PES 5 will always remain the king in that respect. i have a post about it on evo web :)
klashman69 1 year ago
@klashman69 True, But defenders not even pressuring you properly when you can dribble without any tricks around them way too easily is just not how it should be, In PES5 you had much less freedom and the fake shot was implented properly. it wasn't over effective. In PES2009 it was over effective for AI players.
SpoOky1611 1 year ago
@SpoOky1611 hmm, that was an issue in the beginning,it's less so after the patch but i only ever play 10 minute games with MLO or online so. It's true like with fifa 10 especially, the more freedom you have, the easier it is, compared to PES5! Thats why i think on 10 minutes it needs to be like PES 5 was, it's fine though on longer halfs! On Evo web i have a whole topic about how many minutes you play pes for.
klashman69 1 year ago
@nocternalD 21. that is just a opinion, but I just noticed that on the old Pro evolution Soccer it was much more full of delight.
SpoOky1611 1 year ago
Spooky, why don't you post this video in PESFan Have your say page and WENB Official Feedback Zone? Both are watched by KONAMI
rptimao 1 year ago
@rptimao Why don´t you first look there before you write something, This video has been sent straigh to konami and jon murphy by ADAM from wenb which i thank him for.
SpoOky1611 1 year ago
@SpoOky1611 I haven't seen that, sorry
rptimao 1 year ago
Only talking about gameplay... I posted a lot o video responses here
PES needs a new 360º control system, see 3:38, the PSV player, I think you know what I'm talking about. There was one shot animation in PES6, 2007 until 2010 that was very realistic.
Messi and CR7 could have their own running and shooting animations (not the PES 2011 star dribbling, the ball closer to the player's feet). Very good video
rptimao 1 year ago
@rptimao That's got nothing to do with the 360º control system.
0heyjc 1 year ago
Hopelijk komt ook weer de international challenge terug, dat was één van de leukste dingen bij PES6
Ajax4life1610 1 year ago
I want to be able to make shoes and in become a legend on a corner kick and if it gets cleared to outside the penalty box they always take bicycle kicks and kick it too high over the goal
1M8U7F8C 1 year ago
They should bring back create a boot, I loved that on the old PES games <3
CAU5ONI92I 1 year ago
man, send this video to the developers
daftpablo 1 year ago
As for gameplay, the old all manual cursor switch has to return. The tricks system has to be reconfigured for some moves like the elastico (look at FIFA) and add some more tricks. The chipped thru-ball very often never passes the first defender. The regular cross into the box is all too random and often overhit. Shooting needs tweaking for example in the slightest bit of pressure can result in a soft lolipop shot. Players emotionless expression after scoring needs to be looked at.
bkmelendez 1 year ago
I want a more difficult Master League offline mode like in PES 2010 where money was tight and it was hard to buy superstar players plus the menus where unique and much more cool looking. Bring back Umbro P.T.C training of PES2 where you had different challenges like placing freekicks in the top corners or dribbling around cones mazes. For online, give us the option to back out if the other players keeps choosing Barca in the team select menu. Let us use our BAL player in ML offline.
bkmelendez 1 year ago
I did 20 videos "PES 2012 suggestions", see them ;D
rptimao 1 year ago
There should be a self-contained UEFA Europe League-mode, and - of course - more licenses. I know that they're given over years and not yearly new, but a complete original Bundesliga would still be worth a lot for the germans.
FM09Freak1 1 year ago
Fantastic video as usual :) Seabass should have this video on his Favorites.
0heyjc 1 year ago
SpoOky1611 IN Seabass OUT! Great video.
mzivhotmail 1 year ago
You're really deep into that stuff. Why aren't you involved in the development team of PES 2012?^^
FM09Freak1 1 year ago
@FM09Freak1 Aren't we, The fans, all kind off developers by having our say too the cons and pro of the game? They make it, they try to add as many ideas and please everyone, we can only help!
SpoOky1611 1 year ago
@SpoOky1611 Yeah you're right, and there's even been a survey on prorevo.de about wishes for the next part and critics of the current one. But I guess someone who's been playing PES since his birth (approximately) like you is more eligible than any IT-expert
FM09Freak1 1 year ago
first of all: great video! really love it. could you do a video about what improved from pes 2010 to pes 2011? or even things konami shouldnt change in pes 2012? thanks
RMCFutbol 1 year ago
@RMCFutbol That is one thing i do want to make a video off! What NOT to change. Because every year features are left out that were cool and shouldn't be left out of the game!
SpoOky1611 1 year ago 8
and so i chooce Fifa
jim1998118 1 year ago
Setpieces are so damn annoying,, they never know how to cross
27samu 1 year ago
great video! hope they will listen to the community
CF415Productions 1 year ago
Hopelijk kijken ze van Konami ook jouw filmpjes, dan zien ze hoe mooi het spel is en hoe het nog mooier kan worden, goede ideeën.
Ajax4life1610 1 year ago
Good video on pointing out the crucial things :) Looking forward to the animation.
Rahan08 1 year ago
stumbling when a player does a 3 secound stumble then leans fowards and stands for a secound its very annoying basicly cut it down, not 20 times a game when you pass the ball in BAL your player will stand still for 1 secound also annoying, also the game needs life such as atmosphre and crowrds rival teams booing players all that and players moving like faces hair kits and kits getting dirty so many things that i can say but i havent got the space on here
breslin123 1 year ago
@breslin123 Since when is all that last part gameplay style? ha! I only ask for gameplay today, graphics will come later. all the little extra's like you call there are in the list. i have a 20 page list ;)
SpoOky1611 1 year ago
@SpoOky1611 sorry i got carried away in the moment of writing
breslin123 1 year ago
I hate it when you make a soft volley when someone holds your guy, it just lands inside the hands of the keeper while normally it would be just a (hard) shot.
Nielsspeler 1 year ago
R2??? i tought u were PC player
1234dragonsky 1 year ago
@1234dragonsky I am a pc player? :O It is just a usual term since PES3 when it were still playstation buttons on PC. Lets say the R2 shooting is just the aimed shooting.
SpoOky1611 1 year ago
@SpoOky1611 i had no idea what is R2 but u said that u are PC player that u play on PC and PES11 still have PS buttons
1234dragonsky 1 year ago
@1234dragonsky I said that i played on PC and the OLD pes always had PS buttons, the NEW Pes have Xbox buttons, But i'm still thinking like PS buttons.
SpoOky1611 1 year ago
Nice Video this should send to Konami
MrBVBsimon 1 year ago
oh my god im first (look its me first commenting !:D) uhm first i would like to thank my mom, my dad ehh... my sister ofcourse aaaaand.. my dog and my cat and all u guys's support! thx byeee
kingofdead066 1 year ago
do more of these!:D
kingofdead066 1 year ago