@Dubzoomember well yes but happy isn't precisly the word I'd have used. yes it was bttr than the Nazis winning tho, but at the same time the Allies weren't angels themselves eg the A bomb
@Dubzoomember ehhhh, it sur opinion mate, Im just saying from a historical perspective most fo the people involved didin't see it quite that way. additionally htere is great historical debate over when exactly WWII (and WWI) ended its not exactly the 1939-45 timeline many people think it is, thats frequently used just so ppl can gauge it somehow for essays and stuff
@227060 Yeah WWII didn't end until 1989. The Peace Treaty was with Germany and Germany didn't exist at the time. So, techincally, WWII didn't end until the re-unification of Germany in 1989.
@Dubzoomember for some it never ended like these soldiers who ran off to hide and still thought the war wasgoing on in the 90s. WWI was the same in fact many sorta claim WWI started in 1914 ended in 1945 or even 1989. its called the long twentieth century perspective. regardless the 20thC was (and hopefully shall remain) the bloodiest and most war torn century in Earth history
@Dubzoomember tru we have a contendor. ironically if there were another world war weapons r so advanced we'd never have a war as bloddy cos it'd b ovr so quick, we'd all b dead. HOORAY. Any idea when S6 is starting
@Dubzoomember THREE WEEKS. i remember the days when it'd air in march back in 05. good times. now tho it always airs during exam times, and that esp not cool with use only getting 7 eps in spring. when do the other ones air anyways? U seen the trailers 4 S6?
@Dubzoomember Astronaughts, pirates, cowboys the secret service and NAZIs. I won''t even miss the Daleks this yr altho it'll b weird without them. I heard a rumour we were getting Cybermen as well. u can kinda tell they r trying to break in2 the American market a bit more this series. Im hopin they don't do an area 51 story bcos they've done that already. Wat wud b cool next yr if they split the series is if they air part 2 in Nov + make the xmas ep the finale. Any theories on the Silence?
@Dubzoomember I was always hoping 2 have a story where Cybus Cybermen met Mondas Cybermen, got in2 a bit of a fight then just united together 2 form new Cybermen 4 Moffat's era. there u go Cybermen from both sides of the debate satisfied. I'd like 2 c the Cybermen in a series where the Daleks r absent cos in S2 the latter stole the show really and they r awsome villains. TBH I find them scarier than the Daleks. As 4 the Silence Iv cracked it. Its the Voord obviosuly
@Dubzoomember well hes the brain behind it of course. but the real power behind the whole thing are the Quarks....seriously they might b alright unto themselves, but they tried 2 have those things replace the friggin Daelks. they were boxes on legs...wheras the Daleks where pepperpots on legs, mjor difference
@Dubzoomember ah but hes not human.... i know there r a proportion of fans who say the same about Bonnie Langford, but lets not get mean. May I drag this intot he gutter. Amy Pond, red AND sex on legs. there we go, we r now in2 the darkside of fandom, mind u we went there when we pulled out the Nimons. I thought 4 sure ud b a little confused about who they were but then u hit back with the Myrka, very well played sir. this is probly the most hardcore fannnish xchange iv eva had about anything b4
To be fair, I haven't seen The Horns of Nimon, just heard of the monsters. But if you REALLY want to get into the dark side of fandom, Turlough is also both red and sex on legs, and I'm a straight dude. Your move, sir.
@Dubzoomember Id let Rassilon do me. No not Timothy 'James Bond' Dalton, the bearded guy from the Five Docotors and he doesn't even have 2 bring the rest of his body along either, just the rod of Rassilon. Careful friend we cud end up making a HORRIBLE fanfic here if we aren't careful, I fear every1 else has just stopped posting comments on this vid cos they're scared wat we'll come up with next
@Dubzoomember ohhhhh welll played well played. theres only 1 mmore thing I can say 2 that, an frankly its absolutly in the worst taste I can possibly imagine. let me make it clear I only say this in the spirit of fun, dark drak, horrible fun, but nevertheless I apologise for wat I am about to say, for it cuts deep into the heart of the show and its origins. 3 words:.....
Verity Lambert's corpse. fin. please goad me no longer for christ alone knows where I will go next
@Dubzoomember urealise we r going 2 hell don't u. I only went 4 Lambert cos I she was a prod like Moff, but i'll c ur Hartnell corpse and raise u....Tom Baker's corpse....didn't expect that did u.
No, no I did not. Because he's not dead. You're going to murder him just so you can have sex with his dead body? I think the police are moniterng this thread now. Is there a van parked outside you house?
@227060 Whoh, hold on. I love too, but remember in Children of Earth: Day One whan it was stolen by a load of scum-bags even though it was triple deadlocked? Hooligans prevail where the sonic can't.
@Dubzoomember oh ok dude. so sorry for blowing up at u its just there r SO many ppl who say its just crap either bcos its written by RTD or bcos they've only seen the 1st 2 eps. yes the second episode premise is pretty bad, mind u when there isn't an orgasming alien the ep is alright and then after that it improves
@Dubzoomember tru i mean i don't mind it myself but ppl judge the show off that 1 ep, which isn't fair even if it was 13 ep show let alone 30+ series that it is now. u hear about series 4?
@Dubzoomember is that the tagline. I thik TW have found thier niche in this 5ep week long struc. prob is TW is only eva gonna last a week now instead of 13. Also u kinda gotta wonder who the hell is dealing with the rift now, I mean its still there isn't it
@Dubzoomember I wudn't mind seeing a UNIT spin off series altho u wudn't really have any old characters in it since Martha's gone freelance and the wonderful Mr Courtney has sadly passed away recently. TBH I don't think a UNIT spin off without the Brig cud necesarrily work, now that Iv said it. I'd like 2 see a few novels where Martha and Mickey r a part of Torchwood like it was implied in Joureny's End, mayb see their relationship grow to the point where they will get hitched
@Dubzoomember u mock but I'd watch that for the spectacle. mind u ppl did go a little ape shit over the gay agendering I feel, just roll with it man its the 21st century, i belive we've already talked about Moffat's scottish agendering, who cares. Minf u i'd like 2 see a scot Doc one day, with the accent i mean cos wev already had at least 2 (McCoy and Tennent, dunno about the others)
Dunno, McCoy had a strong enough one. I'm hoping for an Irish Doctor (Aidan Turner!) or Spanish just so he can say 'Hello, my name is the Doctor. You killed my father. Prepare to die.'
@Dubzoomember lol id love 2 c that along with a Jimmy Nesbitt Doctor. I don't think we r gonna get a 35 + Dr now but Stephen Fry cudda done it altho hes mayb 2 well known Apparently an EARLY idea 4 the End of Time wudda involved a body swap of the Doctor and the Master. David Tennent as the Matser/John Simm as the Doctor=WIN. Is it 2 l8 4 Simm 2 b Dr#12? its sci-fi afterall ANd u cud go psychological, the Doc now looks like his archenemy. Id like Phillip Gleinster 2 b in DW 2, just as a guest
Tom Baker said that he'd like to play the Master. That would be AWESOME! Also, do you realise our conversation has taken up more that half of this comments section?
@Dubzoomember I have actually, iv actually forgotten what the video is actually about lol. Tom Baker as the master wud b awsome. Ohh imagine Baker as the master vs simm as the Doctor, thats a movie right there. Actually Iv always thought u cud do a decent Dr WHo movie franchise if u plan it like the James Bond films, stand alone films somewhat based upon certain serials, but seperate canon from the TV show. so u wudn't have the movie version of Tennent's Doctor or anything just its own Doctor
@Dubzoomember Well yeah. I mean Iv seent he movies (the Cushing ones) and the orig stories they were based on. they have a kind of charm 2 them and if u r a die hard fan its kinda cool seeing the Daleks in colour. the basic structure and mechanics of the TV stories is actually relativly accurate, just not the core concepts like the portrayal of the Docotr, the TARDIS or his companions (also Susan obviously doesn't leave) r inaccurate, but they r relativly harmless. + Bernard Cribbins
@Dubzoomember like i say u will only appreciate them if u r REALLY in2 Dr Who and have seen the orig stories they r based on eg the Daleks and the Dalek Invasion of Earth. its a since little alternative 2 the series. the Robomen in the second film look bttr than they do on TV IMO altho arguably less realistic. But i still think a DW film franchise is entirely possible if u stick closer 2 the spirit of the TV seires and its core concepts but have new actors as the Dr and his companions
But why not just make it a continuation of the TV series? It worked well for The X-Files? Also, you should really check out this blog, Adventure with the Wife in Space. It is hilarious.
@Dubzoomember If they made it a continuation of the TV series then urd have ll this continuity from the show the film wud have 2 deal with and the TV series wud have 2 deal with the film's storylines as well. not to mention there r different forces at wrk in a commercial film industry compared 2 the BBC TV industry. its safer 4 the fans and creators 2 seperate the 2 canons plus u cud have more actors try their luck in the role of the Doctor. Also Xfiles didn't have 40+yrs of continuity
@Dubzoomember that'd b awsome but r u talkin about a tv movie or a feature film? wat I'd like 2 c 1 day is a season which goes backwards bcos u cud do that with a time travel show. Also I REALLY wanna c Jenny again, mayb not in a spin off but at least a guest appearance OR have her as a regular compnion. I knowu can't domeseticate the Dr but he had a GRANDDAUGHTER orig + nowdays has married couple on board. Considering Smith's youth giving his dr a daughter cud b interesting
@Dubzoomember OH MY GOD I just looked that up. Holy shit. Thats, thats friggin weird. the 10th Doctor is engaged to his daughter, who is halso the daughter of the 5th Doctor. Its too mindboggling. BUt 2 b fair I don't c why this excludes Jenny's character from ever appearing again, i mean actors have kids and still work all the time. Mayb she'll turn up 4 the 50th anniv too along with her husband Tennent. u can explain her differ appearence by the fact shes had adventures of her own
@Dubzoomember Is that true or a joke? Regardless it'd b funny if thier kid grew up 2 b in the show as well, u wud have a Dr Who dynasty growing, all they'd need was 4 Olive 2 hook up with 1 of the other Doctors' kids lol
@Dubzoomember date and/or get married. Also I thought Tennent wudn't b so cruel 2 give his kid a name like that. I mean I know celeb kids have weird names but thats pushing it
@Dubzoomember OMG FANGASM. Lightsabres in Dr Who wud b too epic. U know back in the day RTD did plan on having a Star Trek crossover. Actually there were alotta Star Wars references back in teh BEast Below. Battlestar Galactica I suppose wud b another interesting x-ovr altho every1 who watches that show seem to rip on DW, which is kinda unfair since they r for differ ages
@Dubzoomember cool dude. I dunno who my 2-11th favs r but Tennent is definitly my fav even tho he wasn't my 1st Dr. Eccelston will b special bcos he holds that distinction. I don't think theres a bad actor among them even tho it might seem that way if u look at the sixth-eighth Drs but Iv heard audio stories starring them and its bcam clear that they were gr8 actors just working with somewat weaker material back in the day. I xpct Smith 2 really wow us as he gets more in2 the role. fav series?
@Dubzoomember C im a bit weird. I love all of the new series, er, series 4 lack of a bttr word. but since I haven't seen the classic series in a seasonal way I can't really comment on which 'season' was the best/my fav. Series 5 was good altho my least fav so far. Series 3 is my prsnl fav cos it was in the middle of it i kinda realised Im probably gonna b a DW fan 4eva. but I feel Series 4 was the best of the revived series so far. but heres hopin it'll go on 4 another 25 yrs. fav companion
@Dubzoomember I like Captain Jack as a character but I think his epicness is itied up with his spin off status. he was a good companion but he wasn't around 4 long enough is wat i mean. Rose is special my 1st companion. but Donna was awsome bcos she was the Dr's best friend + they were ilarious. Amy IMO is the weakest main companion so far, Rory's kinda cool and funny, but Amy, I don't resent her, but I feel like I don't really connect with her character as much as say Rose by this point
I do prefer Rory over Amy, but I don't think Amy is as annoying as other people say. Also, I think there's a good chance Jack will come back. The Moff says he'd love to bring him back but that Barrowman's really busy and Barrowman says he'll drop everything to play him so...
@Dubzoomember I'd love 2 see him again plus its appropriate since it was the Moff's story which introduced him. Mayb he cud show up inbetween TW seasons or even have him in SJA. that'd b funny seeing the guy who'd shag anything on the kids show. I don't really find Amy annoying, just a lil 2 confident in her early eps, kinda cocky and thats fine later on down the line once shes settled in but she shudn't b so relaxed around friggin Daleks and Churchill in the Cabinet War rooms on her 2nd trip
Y'know, there was a line cut from The Stolen Earth where it was implied that Jack fancied Luke. They were never gonna let them put that in but still... that would mean a 2190 year old and a 2 year old (though Sarah keeps saying he's 14).
@Dubzoomember well they're legal now in SJA aren't they ;) ewwww, but seriously thats nothing there was a scene in the EoT Pt2 where the Master flirted with himself and implied he wud shag himself later. now thats creepy
@Dubzoomember Srry I meant it was in an erly draft. EoT orig was just gonna b a 1 45-60 min ep. All that was gonna happen (and it still wudda been good) was that the Dr after the Ood called him was gonna travel EVERYWHERE he cud + eventually c them when he was old and tired. then he was gonna save an ordinary family from death by sacrifiing himself in place of the dad, essentially replicating the scene with Wilf where he got mad. by doing this he somehow wudda created the sun?
Interesting. I like the idea that the Doctor travels EVERYWHERE before he dies... maybe he did! Maybe he did more than the few adventures he described and maybe (always my theory) he's just lying about his age!
@Dubzoomember in all honestly I don't think he was meant 2 travel EVERYWHERE cos, we still got another regeneration 2 go thru he needs storylines too. but yeah i imagine the Dr did ALOT more than what he said inbtwn Waters of Mars and EoT Pt1. that'd make a good book wudn't it, the tenth Dr doing soemthing not out of the goodness of his heart but 2 avoid death, out of selfishness almost. I do wanna c him marry Queen Elizibeth tho. Liz 10 was awsome BTW, i want her as our next monarch
@Dubzoomember lets compromise King Strider I and Queen Liz X. my god the kids wud b bad ass. a fellow(ship hehehehehehe...now im ashamed) LOTR fan r ye?
@Dubzoomember Which 1 was ur fav there r 3 u know. Im gonna wait a whiles,I haven't found time 2 watcht he xtended versions more than once altho when i did it was ll in 1 day...yeah i went blind 4 a while (seriously the credits on each of those films takes a full 5 mins each when u FASt FORWARD x32. DAMN)
@Dubzoomember I hyped my self this morning by watching all the trailers. God bttr Bless America 2nite @ 6, cos thats when SILENCE SHALL FALL (on Nixon hopefully). U gonna c the Elisibeth Sladen Trbute on CBBC. DW fans and the British acting industry really has lost something, maybe she will live on in spin-off media, i hope so. u do realise from a philosophical discussion on WWII we've been exchanging comments all the way up to hours before the new series starts. we shud get medals 4 our stamina
@Dubzoomember well I wanted 2 appear modest but i'd have 2 b wudnt it. I mean we raised the issue of violating Hartnell's skeleton, we r hard core. oh btw...DID YOU SEE THAT FIRST EPISODE!!! OH MY GOD, that had to be the best ep 1 the series has EVER had since it returned. well actually 1 might say its not bcos it isn't self contained but thats just style isn't it. oh also 1 might say it wasn't good bcos it k...no ppl may not have seen it, but wow, just wow
@Dubzoomember It was too awsome man. I liked Series 5 but I felt it cudda been better. The Impossible Astronhaught just blew it outta the water tho. oh man im so hyped 4 nite's episode. part of me wants the resolution of the doctor avoiding death now (cos lets face it its gonna happen and no1 really wants him 2 die 4eva, apart fro Trekkies) but part of me wants 2 wiat til the finale for that in ...septemberish...aw man. btw theres 1 new trailer -and a half for Torchwood. C u l8r 4 2nite ep
I think it was confirmed that the resolution will be in the finale but tonight's episode is meant to be even better than last week's. Where's that Torchwood trailer? I've only seen a small clip with Gwen on a plane.
@Dubzoomember i think u saw that clip as part of a general BBC drama trailer, it had a clip of Dr WHo in it as well featuring the Cybermen. i think it only aired in the USA but its on Youtube. type in Torchwood Miracle Day trailer or something like that, it doesn't show any clips its a teaser really. Looks like the Whoverse is invading the states this year
@Dubzoomember no no word. I reckon someday they'll see the light of day (after all the incomplete DW story Shada is) but whether its sooner or later I dunno. I heard they didn't film the second unit, but i dunno if that means they never finished the series finale. itd b too werid if they don't shw them tho, thent he last episode of SJA ever wud b "Goodbye Sarah Jane Smith" which is both fitting but too creepy and depressing. hopefully the character will live on in spin-off media
@Dubzoomember THERE R A FEW links btwn stories and 'sequels' 2 stories eg I regard the Trickster eps as a trilogy (btw best SJA villain ever, if the show doesn't survive ins ome form bring him ovr 2 Dr Who or Torchwood, man an even darker version of the Trickster wud b shit inducing). im sure they have scripts that aren't gonna b used now so they cud adapt those like they did with (the nonw probably non-canon) Lungburrow (sp?)
Trickster in Torchwood would be EPIC! Those 'sequels' happen across series and it's highly unlikely that they'd make a sequel to a story in the same series.
@Dubzoomember this is true. they did a few Slitheen stories in SJA, altho I wanna c a followup on the villainess from the Series 4 finale. I could genuinly see the Trickster in TW u know, except instead of letting Captain Jack live in a deal, he'd make a deal so Jack could die. or Jack himself could turn up in what I hope shall become a semi continuation of SJA. Of course its was Sladen's show and always will b but they had a big enough cast that it cud potentially go on,
@227060 I mean i wanna c Luke develop a bit bcos I think hes an interesting character and he and the other cast members still have alotta potential. I wudn't mind seeing 1 character bounce between the 3 DW series like Mickey Smith was meant to after Journey's End. they switched him for the Brig in the end and i think it was bttr 4 it
@Dubzoomember K9 is with Luke. they did release a book filling in the Year that never was between the Sound fo Drums and Last of th Time Lords. As iv said b4 they shud do a series of TW books in between Journey's End and Children of Earth wherein Martha and Micky join up as was teased in Journey's End and we can see the two of them hook up. then after see em hunt aliens later on like at the end of the End of Time Part 2
@Dubzoomember true altho i doj't think pairing them up was itself a bad idea, since they hinted at it in TW and really they were both jilted by the ppl they were in love with, those same ppl hapened 2 hook up with each other so there was a connection, along with their travels with the Doctor. But for all that i guarntee there was a a shameful number of ppl calling ti racist cos they r both black
@Dubzoomember i mean ppl accused him of pushing an agenda but i just feel its modern TV and in fact reflects a post-modernism, but in a good way. he is ahead fo the other TV shows where they have a token black character, a gay character etc, its a TV show where they r just there but its not mentioned unless necesarry (eg attitudes of past eras). RTD is gay (if u didn't know) but i don't remember ANY of his DW characters which were defined only on that basis.
@Dubzoomember if thats the case every writer is speciest bcos they kill off humans. Its perfectlly clear 2 me that neither Moff or RTD really care. Homosexuality is just part of RTD's style, if it bothers u then something is up. he wasn't wacking u on the head with it. Moff has done it 2, Canton AND the UBER gay joke in Time Crash. BTW u noticed that after a month of comments we've somehow got back 2 the actual subject of this video lol
No, I had actually completly forgotton about the video. I actually loved Canton (and Nixon) and I hope he comes back. He kind of reminded me of Duggan from City of Death. I loved Nixon's reaction to Canton's gayness.
@Dubzoomember yeah it was priceless. I wanna see more Presidents in DW. JFK (altho hes been referenced a million times, including in Rose, also DW 1st aired right after his death), Lincoln, Washington, Obama, oh wev already had him. I thought Nixon was actually much better portrayed than Churchill was, i mean Churchill looked and sounded the part, it was just his characterisation was abit off 4 me. Canton was awsome i hope hes like an auxillary cast member like River Song and Captain Jack
Me too, I think they tried that with Colonel Mace and just forgot about him. I'd really like to see the return of Jack and the Master next year. A lot of BBC stuff is being co-produced with BBC AMERICA next year and maybe we'll have another Doctor Who/Torchwood crossover set and filmed in the States.
@Dubzoomember I'd wanna see another crossover except this time i'd want 2 c the Doctor in TW since hes appeared in SJA already. Im somewhat frightened for Gwen in TW Series 4 bcos soe1 inevitably dies each series, but i reckon they might kill of Rhys and or his and Gwen's kid, which is sad really bcos Rhys actually has balls since he is completly untrained
RTD doesn't like the idea of the Doctor in Torchwood, because that's putting 'a children's hero in an adult show'. Maybe they'll just kill off one (or more) of the new American characters.
@Dubzoomember hopefully, who wants 2 c Gwen die, and Cap Jack can't die if nothing else bcos hes gonna b the face of Boe. I know TW is adult but surely they cud have a toned down TW ep 4 the Dr. I mean Children of Earth was adult sure, just it wasn't half as gory or 'adult' as series 1 and 2
@Dubzoomember i know I try 2 b clear with my terminologies but nothing means just 1 thing anymore. ppl criticise DW for beiing too childish at times which makes me laugh bcos, its a family show its meant 2 entertain both sides of the audience. SJA can of course b enjoyed 4 an older audience but honeslty its targetted 2wrds younger DW viewrs. ppl frequently tell me that DW was SO much more adult back in the day. it wasn't its about the same but standrds of TV have simply chngd. EoT is adult
So's Season 7. Very adult, not to mention Curse of Fenric. Just to say, SJA can be adult (well, could've been, now, I think) like oh, I dunno.. Day of th Clown?
@Dubzoomember this is tru clowns r shit inducing altho personally that was never my fav SJA story, altho it does debut Rani. the Trickster stories r actually quite adult since they ALL have 2 feature at least 1 death.I need 2 see more of the classic stories I have a load of em on DVD and am slowly getting them all but its just finidng the time isn't it cos i wanna see them in order (er broadcast order, real life chronology will b tricky...but epic). wat were ur fav SJA stories?
I'd like to see a Doctor Who bloodbath episode, where everyone dies, like Horror of Fang Rock or Earthshock. My favorite SJA is Death of the Doctor, but I also love all the Trickter ones and Mona Lisa's Revenge, I don't know why.
@Dubzoomember there have been blodbath eps of the new series but they've been mainly offscreen, mayb we do need at least 1. the Trickster eps r my fav and if i weren't being annalytical i'd say the Wedding was my fav story cos it has my fav Doctor, the Trickster, foreshadowing and, duh, Sarah Jane is getting hitched. Death of the Doctor is my #2 tho. alright wat r ur fav eps in which neither the Doctor NOR the Trickster appear, I amyb shudda specified cos we all love those eps
Well, I love anything with the Slitheen (WAY better suited to SJA than DW) and, of course, Enemy of the Bane, because of the awesomeness of the Brigadier. I also loved those two last year The Empty Planet and Lost in Time (brave putting Nazis and the word 'Negro' in 'kid's show').
@Dubzoomember I thought Lost in Time was a good story (they all r) but it got a little dull 4 me. but Empty Planet was 1 of the best characetr dvlpmnt eps of SJA EVA. I love the eps which really focus directly upon 1 of the main cast s Mark of the Beserker was a powerful story in that sense. Prisoner of the Judoon was a good opener 2 S3 altho the finale cudda been bttr IMO (they shudda had the wedding as the finale). the Nightmare man was pure awsome (i saw it at night as well really added 2 it)
@Dubzoomember hmm mayb not just yet. 1 of those years was a bit of a gap yr so i wudnt count it too highly. I fanything i'd bust him or/and the Master out for the anniversary. actually wev had the Master meet the Cybermen and sorta the Daleks. the Master meets Davros, omg that'd b awsome. Bleach is 1 of the few actors 2 appear in ALL the shows but playing a differ character. imo we ain't really seen the new Daleks properly in action yet so save Davros 4 now
I think he's the ONLY actor to appear in all three shows (except the news reporters). What do you expect from the 50th Anniversary (Eccleston says he won't be back).
@Dubzoomember Well I expect they'll return tennent, altho it might b he meta Crisis 10th Dr. im practically certain it will b a multi Dr story since every decade anniv has been a multi Dr story. the 30th had Dimensions in Time (sadly) and even BF had a pseudo multi-dr story in Zagreus. Id wan 2 c Eccelston bcos he had so little exposure even less than Mcgann since he at least did audio work. I say bring back AS MANY Drs as poss esp Mcgann since 90s mins aint enough
I'd say they'd all want to do it (Eccleston might change his mind if it's for charity). Although a multi-Doctor story would be hard to do, simply because there are SO MANY DOCTORS now. They could still do a multi-Doctor story where they don't all meet, but I think Moffat has a plan for a multi-Doctor story, River said 'I've got pictures of all your faces', maybe THAT's where she got them. Returning Doctors also means returning companions, so... Jack? Donna? ADRIC?
@Dubzoomember YES i forgot that line, well done. Dunno about Adric bcos his death was so imp 2 the mythos. Jack shud b in it altho he and Sarah Jane were in the 45th anniv (Journey's End). the 30th anniv stories didin't have all the drs in them so so long as theres at least 2 (differ) drs in it i'll b happy. Moff might even use it as his (and mayb Smith's) bow out 2 the fans bcos it'd b their 4th series together. I always thought it'dv been weird if Tennent had stayed on under Moff
@Dubzoomember in much the same way I expect, he still wudda brought back the Time Lords. I think it was kinda sad and wonderful at the same time that Davies, Gardner and Tennent all left together (for America no less where DW has headed now) it made it feel like u were properly part of a big bit of DW and TV history. Also EoT wudda been so hard if the Dr wasn't dying/regenerating since death is a major theme in that story. the Dr, the Master, Rassilon, the millionaire,none of them want 2 die
@227060 yet the Dr knows he is GOING 2 die, the Master knows he IS dying and Rassilon knows he is ALREADY dead while the millionaire is concerned with attaining what the time lords essentially have, immortality but on 2 lvls, literally living forver and immortality thru one's children. on top of this u have Wilfred the only 1 (even more than the Dr) who unflinching is ready 2 die and yet he is the only 1 whose life is saved really.
The only reason the whole story is about death is because the main character is going to die. If he wasn't going to die, maybe the story would've been completley different.
@Dubzoomember u r right of course + I don't think RTD eva had any idea of how 2 bow out if Tennent hadn't left bcos I think he always knew Tennent was gonna leave. there was a point where Tennent met with Moff 2 discuss series 5 and c if he wud do it or not but RTD kinda knew Tennent was just having a bit of a wobble on a decision he'd already made
@Dubzoomember ...Cumberbatch as the Master...if he was played against Smith as the Doctor, my god, that'd b awsome. I think when it comes 2 Doctors the best thing 2 do wud b 2 go 4 the ppl who r skilled, and have enough of a body of work behind them but who r aren't very well known bcos if u cast some1 too well known then u wud being seeing them as the actor first and not the character and for a character as larger than life than the Dr that wud hurt him
@Dubzoomember were they REALLY well known tho? I mean its diffic for me 2 say since I, and from your vids im guessing u, unless u look AMAZING for your age, weren't around during the TV era of most of those guys. Eccelston IMO wasn't as well known as Stephen Fry, Jimmy Nesbit or even David Morrissy, who seem 2 b the usual names that crop up wheneva the subject of a new Dr is raised. Tennent was sorta the same ppl knew him from Casanova but that was it really even tho he'd done LOADs b4 that
Well, I only know from looking at documentaries on the DVDs. Davison was very famous, he was one of those 'guys that appear in everything'. Hartnell was famous from his film work. Troughton was a well-respected character actor. Pertwee was famous for his comedy roles. I think Eccleston was famous after he did The Second Coming but, like Tennant, he was in loads of other stuff.
@Dubzoomember I thought their fame was essentially akin to Smith's, experienced but not EVERYONE knew who they were, they didin't have that level of fame. Nowdays Cumberbach does bcos of Holmes and ppl knew John Simm from Life on Mars. I think when I say u shud cast unknoown u shud cast some1 who isn't going 2 remind every1 that they r "that famous actor whoever" or that character they were known 2 have played prev. there r xcptions, Simm was known as Sam Tyler but wen u c him, he IS the Master
He's the highest paid actor on the most expensive British show and he complains that Doctor Who gets too much money. Search 'Trevor Eve Doctor Who' to see how much of an idiot he is.
@Dubzoomember on the one hand Ithink i get what he's saying to an extent, eg its bad EVERYTHING is so money orentated. But he's an asshole being up himself about Dr WHo. yees it was created for children in 1963. didi it never cross hi slittle mind that it might have CHANGED since then. its a family show now and as for its challenging nature, it brings familes together and inspires the imaginations of viewers and makes the uture writers of the future
@227060 I know that might sound idealistic, but ALL of the current writers of DW and god knows how many of the other ppl on that show and in the TV industry today watched and were to different extents inspired by Dr Who. I had an active imagination b4 i watched DW, but its gone in2 overdrive these past few years and DW is a big reason 4 that. on top of that its an INSTITUTION now, to me funding it is about on par with funding the Queen, the Beeb itself, Westminister, Big Ben etc
Doctor Who actually doesn't get more money than any other BBC show. Have you seen those original episode, if this is a kids show, kids shows were dark in the 60s.
@Dubzoomember the furst story features some1's head getting bashed in. the second story introduces mutated space NAZIS who commit genocide on sight and this si a commentary upon the Nazis and nuclear war, for kids (yeah thats not challenging). the second story is mayb the darkest of the orig 3 and often overlooked. the edge of destruction which seems to have some horror movie overtones to me espeically when Susan is holding the scissors
@Dubzoomember how cud u call a kids show THAT bloodthirty not worth funding. on top of that u have 2 think about scale. eg Batman the Animated Series, sompared to alotta other shows its decent but probably average. among all the other shows in its age range it is the best of the best and Dr Who is essentially like that.
How can he say he's a fan of happy endings? Look at his work...
guidinglightismylife 10 months ago
Whenever anyone says that Happy Endigs don't exist or that Good doesn't always win I always cite WW2.
Dubzoomember 1 year ago
@Dubzoomember I guess it depends on who you were rooting for...
tabber87 11 months ago
@tabber87 LOL
Dubzoomember 11 months ago
@Dubzoomember well thats an iffy 1 m8. cud u really say with all those casualites it was a happy ending. let alonw the repercussions eg the Cold War
227060 10 months ago
@227060
Well, it's better than the Nazis winning and (cliché alert) there always has to be a few sacrifices.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember well yes but happy isn't precisly the word I'd have used. yes it was bttr than the Nazis winning tho, but at the same time the Allies weren't angels themselves eg the A bomb
227060 10 months ago
@227060
I'd say Bad Guys Defeated=Happy Ending.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember ehhhh, it sur opinion mate, Im just saying from a historical perspective most fo the people involved didin't see it quite that way. additionally htere is great historical debate over when exactly WWII (and WWI) ended its not exactly the 1939-45 timeline many people think it is, thats frequently used just so ppl can gauge it somehow for essays and stuff
227060 10 months ago
@227060 Yeah WWII didn't end until 1989. The Peace Treaty was with Germany and Germany didn't exist at the time. So, techincally, WWII didn't end until the re-unification of Germany in 1989.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember for some it never ended like these soldiers who ran off to hide and still thought the war wasgoing on in the 90s. WWI was the same in fact many sorta claim WWI started in 1914 ended in 1945 or even 1989. its called the long twentieth century perspective. regardless the 20thC was (and hopefully shall remain) the bloodiest and most war torn century in Earth history
227060 10 months ago
@227060
I don't know, the 21st's off to a great start!
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember tru we have a contendor. ironically if there were another world war weapons r so advanced we'd never have a war as bloddy cos it'd b ovr so quick, we'd all b dead. HOORAY. Any idea when S6 is starting
227060 10 months ago
@227060
Yeah, 23rd of April (only 3 weeks).
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember THREE WEEKS. i remember the days when it'd air in march back in 05. good times. now tho it always airs during exam times, and that esp not cool with use only getting 7 eps in spring. when do the other ones air anyways? U seen the trailers 4 S6?
227060 10 months ago
@227060
The other ones are airing in September and, yes I have seen the trailers. They're AWESOME!
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember Astronaughts, pirates, cowboys the secret service and NAZIs. I won''t even miss the Daleks this yr altho it'll b weird without them. I heard a rumour we were getting Cybermen as well. u can kinda tell they r trying to break in2 the American market a bit more this series. Im hopin they don't do an area 51 story bcos they've done that already. Wat wud b cool next yr if they split the series is if they air part 2 in Nov + make the xmas ep the finale. Any theories on the Silence?
227060 10 months ago
@227060 Yeah, apparently the Cybermen are redesigned Mondas cybermen. As for the Silence, well... they look as scary as hell!
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember I was always hoping 2 have a story where Cybus Cybermen met Mondas Cybermen, got in2 a bit of a fight then just united together 2 form new Cybermen 4 Moffat's era. there u go Cybermen from both sides of the debate satisfied. I'd like 2 c the Cybermen in a series where the Daleks r absent cos in S2 the latter stole the show really and they r awsome villains. TBH I find them scarier than the Daleks. As 4 the Silence Iv cracked it. Its the Voord obviosuly
227060 10 months ago
@227060
Obviously.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember perhaps its another evil alliance. the Voord working witht the Nimons and KANDYMAN
227060 10 months ago
@227060 And the Dreaded Myrka.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember well hes the brain behind it of course. but the real power behind the whole thing are the Quarks....seriously they might b alright unto themselves, but they tried 2 have those things replace the friggin Daelks. they were boxes on legs...wheras the Daleks where pepperpots on legs, mjor difference
227060 10 months ago
@227060 Actually, Daleks are pepper pots, NOT on legs. Then there's Tegan, mouth on legs.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember lol, or Mel, red on legs
227060 10 months ago
@227060
Don't be ridiculous. That's Turlough.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember ah but hes not human.... i know there r a proportion of fans who say the same about Bonnie Langford, but lets not get mean. May I drag this intot he gutter. Amy Pond, red AND sex on legs. there we go, we r now in2 the darkside of fandom, mind u we went there when we pulled out the Nimons. I thought 4 sure ud b a little confused about who they were but then u hit back with the Myrka, very well played sir. this is probly the most hardcore fannnish xchange iv eva had about anything b4
227060 10 months ago
@227060
To be fair, I haven't seen The Horns of Nimon, just heard of the monsters. But if you REALLY want to get into the dark side of fandom, Turlough is also both red and sex on legs, and I'm a straight dude. Your move, sir.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember ...well damn....er....ok, I fancied K9....when he 1st appeared in 06 cos I like my dogs dirty. Check
227060 10 months ago
@227060
Nicley played. I often think about how Davros would have sex. Go.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember why do u think he gave the daleks those plungers. oh, an Iv gone right off K9 once i got a good look at Kamelion. on guard
227060 10 months ago
@227060
I'd like a taste of the Kandyman, go!
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember Iv had a dalek tentacle in my mouth....now im scarring myself
227060 10 months ago
@227060
Borusa is one sexy bastard. Boom.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember Id let Rassilon do me. No not Timothy 'James Bond' Dalton, the bearded guy from the Five Docotors and he doesn't even have 2 bring the rest of his body along either, just the rod of Rassilon. Careful friend we cud end up making a HORRIBLE fanfic here if we aren't careful, I fear every1 else has just stopped posting comments on this vid cos they're scared wat we'll come up with next
227060 10 months ago
@227060
Okay, last one. Steven Moffat, the Scottish sexmaster.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember ohhhhh welll played well played. theres only 1 mmore thing I can say 2 that, an frankly its absolutly in the worst taste I can possibly imagine. let me make it clear I only say this in the spirit of fun, dark drak, horrible fun, but nevertheless I apologise for wat I am about to say, for it cuts deep into the heart of the show and its origins. 3 words:.....
Verity Lambert's corpse. fin. please goad me no longer for christ alone knows where I will go next
227060 10 months ago
@227060
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK! Dude! Seriously? That's it! I was going to give up but you leave me no choice... Hartnell' corpse. Well, skeleton by now.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember urealise we r going 2 hell don't u. I only went 4 Lambert cos I she was a prod like Moff, but i'll c ur Hartnell corpse and raise u....Tom Baker's corpse....didn't expect that did u.
227060 10 months ago
@227060
No, no I did not. Because he's not dead. You're going to murder him just so you can have sex with his dead body? I think the police are moniterng this thread now. Is there a van parked outside you house?
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember no but there is a 4x4 with Torch-something on the side
227060 10 months ago
@227060
Don't worry, it's probably just full of scum-bags.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember hey dude I like TW, sure it was off to a rocky start but it went from strength 2 strength, Children of Earth was pure class
227060 10 months ago
@227060 Whoh, hold on. I love too, but remember in Children of Earth: Day One whan it was stolen by a load of scum-bags even though it was triple deadlocked? Hooligans prevail where the sonic can't.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember oh ok dude. so sorry for blowing up at u its just there r SO many ppl who say its just crap either bcos its written by RTD or bcos they've only seen the 1st 2 eps. yes the second episode premise is pretty bad, mind u when there isn't an orgasming alien the ep is alright and then after that it improves
227060 10 months ago
@227060
I like that episode. It ridiculous, but fun.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember tru i mean i don't mind it myself but ppl judge the show off that 1 ep, which isn't fair even if it was 13 ep show let alone 30+ series that it is now. u hear about series 4?
227060 10 months ago
@227060 Yeah, it sounds awesome. Death is not an option.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember is that the tagline. I thik TW have found thier niche in this 5ep week long struc. prob is TW is only eva gonna last a week now instead of 13. Also u kinda gotta wonder who the hell is dealing with the rift now, I mean its still there isn't it
227060 10 months ago
@227060 Yeah, that's the Tagline. I think UNIT is dealing with the Rift now.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember I wudn't mind seeing a UNIT spin off series altho u wudn't really have any old characters in it since Martha's gone freelance and the wonderful Mr Courtney has sadly passed away recently. TBH I don't think a UNIT spin off without the Brig cud necesarrily work, now that Iv said it. I'd like 2 see a few novels where Martha and Mickey r a part of Torchwood like it was implied in Joureny's End, mayb see their relationship grow to the point where they will get hitched
227060 10 months ago
@227060
Maybe we'll find out one day...
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember ...over the rainbow???
227060 10 months ago
@227060
Only if Russel is up to his 'gay-agendaing' again and pairs Mickey off with, Oooh, I dunno, a Sontaran?
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember u mock but I'd watch that for the spectacle. mind u ppl did go a little ape shit over the gay agendering I feel, just roll with it man its the 21st century, i belive we've already talked about Moffat's scottish agendering, who cares. Minf u i'd like 2 see a scot Doc one day, with the accent i mean cos wev already had at least 2 (McCoy and Tennent, dunno about the others)
227060 10 months ago
@227060
Dunno, McCoy had a strong enough one. I'm hoping for an Irish Doctor (Aidan Turner!) or Spanish just so he can say 'Hello, my name is the Doctor. You killed my father. Prepare to die.'
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember lol id love 2 c that along with a Jimmy Nesbitt Doctor. I don't think we r gonna get a 35 + Dr now but Stephen Fry cudda done it altho hes mayb 2 well known Apparently an EARLY idea 4 the End of Time wudda involved a body swap of the Doctor and the Master. David Tennent as the Matser/John Simm as the Doctor=WIN. Is it 2 l8 4 Simm 2 b Dr#12? its sci-fi afterall ANd u cud go psychological, the Doc now looks like his archenemy. Id like Phillip Gleinster 2 b in DW 2, just as a guest
227060 10 months ago
@227060
Tom Baker said that he'd like to play the Master. That would be AWESOME! Also, do you realise our conversation has taken up more that half of this comments section?
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember I have actually, iv actually forgotten what the video is actually about lol. Tom Baker as the master wud b awsome. Ohh imagine Baker as the master vs simm as the Doctor, thats a movie right there. Actually Iv always thought u cud do a decent Dr WHo movie franchise if u plan it like the James Bond films, stand alone films somewhat based upon certain serials, but seperate canon from the TV show. so u wudn't have the movie version of Tennent's Doctor or anything just its own Doctor
227060 10 months ago
@227060
They tried that before. It didn't work out.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember Well yeah. I mean Iv seent he movies (the Cushing ones) and the orig stories they were based on. they have a kind of charm 2 them and if u r a die hard fan its kinda cool seeing the Daleks in colour. the basic structure and mechanics of the TV stories is actually relativly accurate, just not the core concepts like the portrayal of the Docotr, the TARDIS or his companions (also Susan obviously doesn't leave) r inaccurate, but they r relativly harmless. + Bernard Cribbins
227060 10 months ago
@227060
I haven't seen them but everything I've heard just seems...wrong.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember like i say u will only appreciate them if u r REALLY in2 Dr Who and have seen the orig stories they r based on eg the Daleks and the Dalek Invasion of Earth. its a since little alternative 2 the series. the Robomen in the second film look bttr than they do on TV IMO altho arguably less realistic. But i still think a DW film franchise is entirely possible if u stick closer 2 the spirit of the TV seires and its core concepts but have new actors as the Dr and his companions
227060 10 months ago
@227060
But why not just make it a continuation of the TV series? It worked well for The X-Files? Also, you should really check out this blog, Adventure with the Wife in Space. It is hilarious.
Dubzoomember 10 months ago
@Dubzoomember If they made it a continuation of the TV series then urd have ll this continuity from the show the film wud have 2 deal with and the TV series wud have 2 deal with the film's storylines as well. not to mention there r different forces at wrk in a commercial film industry compared 2 the BBC TV industry. its safer 4 the fans and creators 2 seperate the 2 canons plus u cud have more actors try their luck in the role of the Doctor. Also Xfiles didn't have 40+yrs of continuity
227060 9 months ago
@227060
It'd be good if they did a season long build up to a multi-doctor movie. Maybe they could do that for the 50th anniversary.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember that'd b awsome but r u talkin about a tv movie or a feature film? wat I'd like 2 c 1 day is a season which goes backwards bcos u cud do that with a time travel show. Also I REALLY wanna c Jenny again, mayb not in a spin off but at least a guest appearance OR have her as a regular compnion. I knowu can't domeseticate the Dr but he had a GRANDDAUGHTER orig + nowdays has married couple on board. Considering Smith's youth giving his dr a daughter cud b interesting
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Yeah, I want to see her too, but her actress has a daughter now (David Tennant's child). Yeah. Weird.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember OH MY GOD I just looked that up. Holy shit. Thats, thats friggin weird. the 10th Doctor is engaged to his daughter, who is halso the daughter of the 5th Doctor. Its too mindboggling. BUt 2 b fair I don't c why this excludes Jenny's character from ever appearing again, i mean actors have kids and still work all the time. Mayb she'll turn up 4 the 50th anniv too along with her husband Tennent. u can explain her differ appearence by the fact shes had adventures of her own
227060 9 months ago
@227060
The child is called Olive. It's short for Olivedrevatnalundar.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember Is that true or a joke? Regardless it'd b funny if thier kid grew up 2 b in the show as well, u wud have a Dr Who dynasty growing, all they'd need was 4 Olive 2 hook up with 1 of the other Doctors' kids lol
227060 9 months ago
@227060
It's a joke. Also, what do you mean by 'hook up'?
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember date and/or get married. Also I thought Tennent wudn't b so cruel 2 give his kid a name like that. I mean I know celeb kids have weird names but thats pushing it
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Matt Smith's kid. That would be awesome.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember and then that kid marries Tom Baker's great grandchild. soon all the Docotr's shall form a new royal family mwuhahahahaha
227060 9 months ago
@227060
A Royal Family... OF DOOM!
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember they shall face off against a dynasty of like Star Trek actors 4 supremacy over all sci-fi
227060 9 months ago
@227060
With lightsabers. That are on fire. Cold fire.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember OMG FANGASM. Lightsabres in Dr Who wud b too epic. U know back in the day RTD did plan on having a Star Trek crossover. Actually there were alotta Star Wars references back in teh BEast Below. Battlestar Galactica I suppose wud b another interesting x-ovr altho every1 who watches that show seem to rip on DW, which is kinda unfair since they r for differ ages
227060 9 months ago
@227060
They're just jealous.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember too tru son too tru. u know we've been having this conversation 4 so long and we ain't even done the obvious qus. whose ur fav Dr?
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Tennant. Followed closely by Smith and then Davison. They all blur into more or less the same amount of awesomeness after that.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember cool dude. I dunno who my 2-11th favs r but Tennent is definitly my fav even tho he wasn't my 1st Dr. Eccelston will b special bcos he holds that distinction. I don't think theres a bad actor among them even tho it might seem that way if u look at the sixth-eighth Drs but Iv heard audio stories starring them and its bcam clear that they were gr8 actors just working with somewat weaker material back in the day. I xpct Smith 2 really wow us as he gets more in2 the role. fav series?
227060 9 months ago
@227060
I'm gonna go with 30 (or 4).
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember C im a bit weird. I love all of the new series, er, series 4 lack of a bttr word. but since I haven't seen the classic series in a seasonal way I can't really comment on which 'season' was the best/my fav. Series 5 was good altho my least fav so far. Series 3 is my prsnl fav cos it was in the middle of it i kinda realised Im probably gonna b a DW fan 4eva. but I feel Series 4 was the best of the revived series so far. but heres hopin it'll go on 4 another 25 yrs. fav companion
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Captain Jack, most definitley. Then Donna, at a close second.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember I like Captain Jack as a character but I think his epicness is itied up with his spin off status. he was a good companion but he wasn't around 4 long enough is wat i mean. Rose is special my 1st companion. but Donna was awsome bcos she was the Dr's best friend + they were ilarious. Amy IMO is the weakest main companion so far, Rory's kinda cool and funny, but Amy, I don't resent her, but I feel like I don't really connect with her character as much as say Rose by this point
227060 9 months ago
@227060
I do prefer Rory over Amy, but I don't think Amy is as annoying as other people say. Also, I think there's a good chance Jack will come back. The Moff says he'd love to bring him back but that Barrowman's really busy and Barrowman says he'll drop everything to play him so...
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember I'd love 2 see him again plus its appropriate since it was the Moff's story which introduced him. Mayb he cud show up inbetween TW seasons or even have him in SJA. that'd b funny seeing the guy who'd shag anything on the kids show. I don't really find Amy annoying, just a lil 2 confident in her early eps, kinda cocky and thats fine later on down the line once shes settled in but she shudn't b so relaxed around friggin Daleks and Churchill in the Cabinet War rooms on her 2nd trip
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Y'know, there was a line cut from The Stolen Earth where it was implied that Jack fancied Luke. They were never gonna let them put that in but still... that would mean a 2190 year old and a 2 year old (though Sarah keeps saying he's 14).
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember well they're legal now in SJA aren't they ;) ewwww, but seriously thats nothing there was a scene in the EoT Pt2 where the Master flirted with himself and implied he wud shag himself later. now thats creepy
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Wait, WTF? When was that?
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember Srry I meant it was in an erly draft. EoT orig was just gonna b a 1 45-60 min ep. All that was gonna happen (and it still wudda been good) was that the Dr after the Ood called him was gonna travel EVERYWHERE he cud + eventually c them when he was old and tired. then he was gonna save an ordinary family from death by sacrifiing himself in place of the dad, essentially replicating the scene with Wilf where he got mad. by doing this he somehow wudda created the sun?
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Interesting. I like the idea that the Doctor travels EVERYWHERE before he dies... maybe he did! Maybe he did more than the few adventures he described and maybe (always my theory) he's just lying about his age!
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember in all honestly I don't think he was meant 2 travel EVERYWHERE cos, we still got another regeneration 2 go thru he needs storylines too. but yeah i imagine the Dr did ALOT more than what he said inbtwn Waters of Mars and EoT Pt1. that'd make a good book wudn't it, the tenth Dr doing soemthing not out of the goodness of his heart but 2 avoid death, out of selfishness almost. I do wanna c him marry Queen Elizibeth tho. Liz 10 was awsome BTW, i want her as our next monarch
227060 9 months ago
@227060
YOUR next monarch, not mine. I'd prefer Aragorn.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember lets compromise King Strider I and Queen Liz X. my god the kids wud b bad ass. a fellow(ship hehehehehehe...now im ashamed) LOTR fan r ye?
227060 9 months ago
@227060
It's my favorite film. Mega Super Awesome Extended Edition Blu-Ray Box Set is out in June. I'm definitley getting that.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember Which 1 was ur fav there r 3 u know. Im gonna wait a whiles,I haven't found time 2 watcht he xtended versions more than once altho when i did it was ll in 1 day...yeah i went blind 4 a while (seriously the credits on each of those films takes a full 5 mins each when u FASt FORWARD x32. DAMN)
227060 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember Damn man u c the trailer 4 the Impossible Astronaught?
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Which one? I've seen 'em all!
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember Hi mate. thought i'd drop a message on the eve of the new series. Also, i only just got wind of Lis Sladen. bad, bad times
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Yeah...
Oh, well, The Impossible Astronaut is only FOUR HOURS away!
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember I hyped my self this morning by watching all the trailers. God bttr Bless America 2nite @ 6, cos thats when SILENCE SHALL FALL (on Nixon hopefully). U gonna c the Elisibeth Sladen Trbute on CBBC. DW fans and the British acting industry really has lost something, maybe she will live on in spin-off media, i hope so. u do realise from a philosophical discussion on WWII we've been exchanging comments all the way up to hours before the new series starts. we shud get medals 4 our stamina
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Who'd give it to us, though? Jesus?
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember well I wanted 2 appear modest but i'd have 2 b wudnt it. I mean we raised the issue of violating Hartnell's skeleton, we r hard core. oh btw...DID YOU SEE THAT FIRST EPISODE!!! OH MY GOD, that had to be the best ep 1 the series has EVER had since it returned. well actually 1 might say its not bcos it isn't self contained but thats just style isn't it. oh also 1 might say it wasn't good bcos it k...no ppl may not have seen it, but wow, just wow
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Oh, screw them, it's their own fault if they haven't seen it. THE DOCTOR FUCKING DIED! Properly! We even got an almost-regeneration! It was AWESOME!
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember It was too awsome man. I liked Series 5 but I felt it cudda been better. The Impossible Astronhaught just blew it outta the water tho. oh man im so hyped 4 nite's episode. part of me wants the resolution of the doctor avoiding death now (cos lets face it its gonna happen and no1 really wants him 2 die 4eva, apart fro Trekkies) but part of me wants 2 wiat til the finale for that in ...septemberish...aw man. btw theres 1 new trailer -and a half for Torchwood. C u l8r 4 2nite ep
227060 9 months ago
@227060
I think it was confirmed that the resolution will be in the finale but tonight's episode is meant to be even better than last week's. Where's that Torchwood trailer? I've only seen a small clip with Gwen on a plane.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember i think u saw that clip as part of a general BBC drama trailer, it had a clip of Dr WHo in it as well featuring the Cybermen. i think it only aired in the USA but its on Youtube. type in Torchwood Miracle Day trailer or something like that, it doesn't show any clips its a teaser really. Looks like the Whoverse is invading the states this year
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Did you hear anything about whether they're going to broadcast those final six SJA episodes?
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember no no word. I reckon someday they'll see the light of day (after all the incomplete DW story Shada is) but whether its sooner or later I dunno. I heard they didn't film the second unit, but i dunno if that means they never finished the series finale. itd b too werid if they don't shw them tho, thent he last episode of SJA ever wud b "Goodbye Sarah Jane Smith" which is both fitting but too creepy and depressing. hopefully the character will live on in spin-off media
227060 9 months ago
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I think I heard they filmed episodes 1,2,3,4,11 and 12.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember they cud adapt the missed eps into a comic or a novel or something to fill in the gaps.
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Suppose, but are there any gaps to fill? SJA is mainly self-contained stories.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember THERE R A FEW links btwn stories and 'sequels' 2 stories eg I regard the Trickster eps as a trilogy (btw best SJA villain ever, if the show doesn't survive ins ome form bring him ovr 2 Dr Who or Torchwood, man an even darker version of the Trickster wud b shit inducing). im sure they have scripts that aren't gonna b used now so they cud adapt those like they did with (the nonw probably non-canon) Lungburrow (sp?)
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Trickster in Torchwood would be EPIC! Those 'sequels' happen across series and it's highly unlikely that they'd make a sequel to a story in the same series.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember this is true. they did a few Slitheen stories in SJA, altho I wanna c a followup on the villainess from the Series 4 finale. I could genuinly see the Trickster in TW u know, except instead of letting Captain Jack live in a deal, he'd make a deal so Jack could die. or Jack himself could turn up in what I hope shall become a semi continuation of SJA. Of course its was Sladen's show and always will b but they had a big enough cast that it cud potentially go on,
227060 9 months ago
@227060 I mean i wanna c Luke develop a bit bcos I think hes an interesting character and he and the other cast members still have alotta potential. I wudn't mind seeing 1 character bounce between the 3 DW series like Mickey Smith was meant to after Journey's End. they switched him for the Brig in the end and i think it was bttr 4 it
227060 9 months ago
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How about the Martha Jones Adventures? Also, what happens to K9 now?
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember K9 is with Luke. they did release a book filling in the Year that never was between the Sound fo Drums and Last of th Time Lords. As iv said b4 they shud do a series of TW books in between Journey's End and Children of Earth wherein Martha and Micky join up as was teased in Journey's End and we can see the two of them hook up. then after see em hunt aliens later on like at the end of the End of Time Part 2
227060 9 months ago
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Yeah, it'd be better than the 'Hey, we're randomly married now!' explaination we got.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember true altho i doj't think pairing them up was itself a bad idea, since they hinted at it in TW and really they were both jilted by the ppl they were in love with, those same ppl hapened 2 hook up with each other so there was a connection, along with their travels with the Doctor. But for all that i guarntee there was a a shameful number of ppl calling ti racist cos they r both black
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Calling RTD racist is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. It's like calling him a homophobe when he killed off Ianto. Oh, wait...
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember i mean ppl accused him of pushing an agenda but i just feel its modern TV and in fact reflects a post-modernism, but in a good way. he is ahead fo the other TV shows where they have a token black character, a gay character etc, its a TV show where they r just there but its not mentioned unless necesarry (eg attitudes of past eras). RTD is gay (if u didn't know) but i don't remember ANY of his DW characters which were defined only on that basis.
227060 9 months ago
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That's my point exactly, people called him homophobic after he killed off Ianto and HE IS GAY!
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember if thats the case every writer is speciest bcos they kill off humans. Its perfectlly clear 2 me that neither Moff or RTD really care. Homosexuality is just part of RTD's style, if it bothers u then something is up. he wasn't wacking u on the head with it. Moff has done it 2, Canton AND the UBER gay joke in Time Crash. BTW u noticed that after a month of comments we've somehow got back 2 the actual subject of this video lol
227060 9 months ago
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No, I had actually completly forgotton about the video. I actually loved Canton (and Nixon) and I hope he comes back. He kind of reminded me of Duggan from City of Death. I loved Nixon's reaction to Canton's gayness.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember yeah it was priceless. I wanna see more Presidents in DW. JFK (altho hes been referenced a million times, including in Rose, also DW 1st aired right after his death), Lincoln, Washington, Obama, oh wev already had him. I thought Nixon was actually much better portrayed than Churchill was, i mean Churchill looked and sounded the part, it was just his characterisation was abit off 4 me. Canton was awsome i hope hes like an auxillary cast member like River Song and Captain Jack
227060 9 months ago
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Me too, I think they tried that with Colonel Mace and just forgot about him. I'd really like to see the return of Jack and the Master next year. A lot of BBC stuff is being co-produced with BBC AMERICA next year and maybe we'll have another Doctor Who/Torchwood crossover set and filmed in the States.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember I'd wanna see another crossover except this time i'd want 2 c the Doctor in TW since hes appeared in SJA already. Im somewhat frightened for Gwen in TW Series 4 bcos soe1 inevitably dies each series, but i reckon they might kill of Rhys and or his and Gwen's kid, which is sad really bcos Rhys actually has balls since he is completly untrained
227060 9 months ago
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RTD doesn't like the idea of the Doctor in Torchwood, because that's putting 'a children's hero in an adult show'. Maybe they'll just kill off one (or more) of the new American characters.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember hopefully, who wants 2 c Gwen die, and Cap Jack can't die if nothing else bcos hes gonna b the face of Boe. I know TW is adult but surely they cud have a toned down TW ep 4 the Dr. I mean Children of Earth was adult sure, just it wasn't half as gory or 'adult' as series 1 and 2
227060 9 months ago
@227060
'Adult' is a very easy word to misuse. A lot of Doctor Who stuff could be considered 'adult'.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember i know I try 2 b clear with my terminologies but nothing means just 1 thing anymore. ppl criticise DW for beiing too childish at times which makes me laugh bcos, its a family show its meant 2 entertain both sides of the audience. SJA can of course b enjoyed 4 an older audience but honeslty its targetted 2wrds younger DW viewrs. ppl frequently tell me that DW was SO much more adult back in the day. it wasn't its about the same but standrds of TV have simply chngd. EoT is adult
227060 9 months ago
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So's Season 7. Very adult, not to mention Curse of Fenric. Just to say, SJA can be adult (well, could've been, now, I think) like oh, I dunno.. Day of th Clown?
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember this is tru clowns r shit inducing altho personally that was never my fav SJA story, altho it does debut Rani. the Trickster stories r actually quite adult since they ALL have 2 feature at least 1 death.I need 2 see more of the classic stories I have a load of em on DVD and am slowly getting them all but its just finidng the time isn't it cos i wanna see them in order (er broadcast order, real life chronology will b tricky...but epic). wat were ur fav SJA stories?
227060 9 months ago
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I'd like to see a Doctor Who bloodbath episode, where everyone dies, like Horror of Fang Rock or Earthshock. My favorite SJA is Death of the Doctor, but I also love all the Trickter ones and Mona Lisa's Revenge, I don't know why.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember there have been blodbath eps of the new series but they've been mainly offscreen, mayb we do need at least 1. the Trickster eps r my fav and if i weren't being annalytical i'd say the Wedding was my fav story cos it has my fav Doctor, the Trickster, foreshadowing and, duh, Sarah Jane is getting hitched. Death of the Doctor is my #2 tho. alright wat r ur fav eps in which neither the Doctor NOR the Trickster appear, I amyb shudda specified cos we all love those eps
227060 9 months ago
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Well, I love anything with the Slitheen (WAY better suited to SJA than DW) and, of course, Enemy of the Bane, because of the awesomeness of the Brigadier. I also loved those two last year The Empty Planet and Lost in Time (brave putting Nazis and the word 'Negro' in 'kid's show').
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember I thought Lost in Time was a good story (they all r) but it got a little dull 4 me. but Empty Planet was 1 of the best characetr dvlpmnt eps of SJA EVA. I love the eps which really focus directly upon 1 of the main cast s Mark of the Beserker was a powerful story in that sense. Prisoner of the Judoon was a good opener 2 S3 altho the finale cudda been bttr IMO (they shudda had the wedding as the finale). the Nightmare man was pure awsome (i saw it at night as well really added 2 it)
227060 9 months ago
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Speaking of Julian Bleach characters, it's been three years now. Is it time for Davros to return?
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember hmm mayb not just yet. 1 of those years was a bit of a gap yr so i wudnt count it too highly. I fanything i'd bust him or/and the Master out for the anniversary. actually wev had the Master meet the Cybermen and sorta the Daleks. the Master meets Davros, omg that'd b awsome. Bleach is 1 of the few actors 2 appear in ALL the shows but playing a differ character. imo we ain't really seen the new Daleks properly in action yet so save Davros 4 now
227060 9 months ago
@227060
I think he's the ONLY actor to appear in all three shows (except the news reporters). What do you expect from the 50th Anniversary (Eccleston says he won't be back).
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember Well I expect they'll return tennent, altho it might b he meta Crisis 10th Dr. im practically certain it will b a multi Dr story since every decade anniv has been a multi Dr story. the 30th had Dimensions in Time (sadly) and even BF had a pseudo multi-dr story in Zagreus. Id wan 2 c Eccelston bcos he had so little exposure even less than Mcgann since he at least did audio work. I say bring back AS MANY Drs as poss esp Mcgann since 90s mins aint enough
227060 9 months ago
@227060
I'd say they'd all want to do it (Eccleston might change his mind if it's for charity). Although a multi-Doctor story would be hard to do, simply because there are SO MANY DOCTORS now. They could still do a multi-Doctor story where they don't all meet, but I think Moffat has a plan for a multi-Doctor story, River said 'I've got pictures of all your faces', maybe THAT's where she got them. Returning Doctors also means returning companions, so... Jack? Donna? ADRIC?
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember YES i forgot that line, well done. Dunno about Adric bcos his death was so imp 2 the mythos. Jack shud b in it altho he and Sarah Jane were in the 45th anniv (Journey's End). the 30th anniv stories didin't have all the drs in them so so long as theres at least 2 (differ) drs in it i'll b happy. Moff might even use it as his (and mayb Smith's) bow out 2 the fans bcos it'd b their 4th series together. I always thought it'dv been weird if Tennent had stayed on under Moff
227060 9 months ago
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I'd be more interested to see The End of Time where he didn't die. How would RTD have chosen to bow out then?
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember in much the same way I expect, he still wudda brought back the Time Lords. I think it was kinda sad and wonderful at the same time that Davies, Gardner and Tennent all left together (for America no less where DW has headed now) it made it feel like u were properly part of a big bit of DW and TV history. Also EoT wudda been so hard if the Dr wasn't dying/regenerating since death is a major theme in that story. the Dr, the Master, Rassilon, the millionaire,none of them want 2 die
227060 9 months ago
@227060 yet the Dr knows he is GOING 2 die, the Master knows he IS dying and Rassilon knows he is ALREADY dead while the millionaire is concerned with attaining what the time lords essentially have, immortality but on 2 lvls, literally living forver and immortality thru one's children. on top of this u have Wilfred the only 1 (even more than the Dr) who unflinching is ready 2 die and yet he is the only 1 whose life is saved really.
227060 9 months ago
@227060
The only reason the whole story is about death is because the main character is going to die. If he wasn't going to die, maybe the story would've been completley different.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember u r right of course + I don't think RTD eva had any idea of how 2 bow out if Tennent hadn't left bcos I think he always knew Tennent was gonna leave. there was a point where Tennent met with Moff 2 discuss series 5 and c if he wud do it or not but RTD kinda knew Tennent was just having a bit of a wobble on a decision he'd already made
227060 9 months ago
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Any thoughts on a twelfth Doctor? Please don't say Benedict Cumberbatch. EVERYONE says Benedict Cumberbatch (I'd rather see him as the Master).
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember ...Cumberbatch as the Master...if he was played against Smith as the Doctor, my god, that'd b awsome. I think when it comes 2 Doctors the best thing 2 do wud b 2 go 4 the ppl who r skilled, and have enough of a body of work behind them but who r aren't very well known bcos if u cast some1 too well known then u wud being seeing them as the actor first and not the character and for a character as larger than life than the Dr that wud hurt him
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Dunno, it worked out pretty well for Davison, Hartnell, Pertwee, Eccleston and Troughton.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember were they REALLY well known tho? I mean its diffic for me 2 say since I, and from your vids im guessing u, unless u look AMAZING for your age, weren't around during the TV era of most of those guys. Eccelston IMO wasn't as well known as Stephen Fry, Jimmy Nesbit or even David Morrissy, who seem 2 b the usual names that crop up wheneva the subject of a new Dr is raised. Tennent was sorta the same ppl knew him from Casanova but that was it really even tho he'd done LOADs b4 that
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Well, I only know from looking at documentaries on the DVDs. Davison was very famous, he was one of those 'guys that appear in everything'. Hartnell was famous from his film work. Troughton was a well-respected character actor. Pertwee was famous for his comedy roles. I think Eccleston was famous after he did The Second Coming but, like Tennant, he was in loads of other stuff.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember I thought their fame was essentially akin to Smith's, experienced but not EVERYONE knew who they were, they didin't have that level of fame. Nowdays Cumberbach does bcos of Holmes and ppl knew John Simm from Life on Mars. I think when I say u shud cast unknoown u shud cast some1 who isn't going 2 remind every1 that they r "that famous actor whoever" or that character they were known 2 have played prev. there r xcptions, Simm was known as Sam Tyler but wen u c him, he IS the Master
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Davison was probably the most famous actor on British television when he got the role.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember really? surely that disticntion would have gone to Tom Baker himself
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Maybe. I'd say Davison was known as 'him off of everything' and Baker was known as 'the bloke in the scarf'.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember I guess so altho 2 me it seems like whoever bcoms the Doctor is automatically the biggest British Tv star (McGann is the exception)
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Maybe Trevor Eve?
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember who?
227060 9 months ago
@227060
He's the highest paid actor on the most expensive British show and he complains that Doctor Who gets too much money. Search 'Trevor Eve Doctor Who' to see how much of an idiot he is.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember on the one hand Ithink i get what he's saying to an extent, eg its bad EVERYTHING is so money orentated. But he's an asshole being up himself about Dr WHo. yees it was created for children in 1963. didi it never cross hi slittle mind that it might have CHANGED since then. its a family show now and as for its challenging nature, it brings familes together and inspires the imaginations of viewers and makes the uture writers of the future
227060 9 months ago
@227060 I know that might sound idealistic, but ALL of the current writers of DW and god knows how many of the other ppl on that show and in the TV industry today watched and were to different extents inspired by Dr Who. I had an active imagination b4 i watched DW, but its gone in2 overdrive these past few years and DW is a big reason 4 that. on top of that its an INSTITUTION now, to me funding it is about on par with funding the Queen, the Beeb itself, Westminister, Big Ben etc
227060 9 months ago
@227060
Doctor Who actually doesn't get more money than any other BBC show. Have you seen those original episode, if this is a kids show, kids shows were dark in the 60s.
Dubzoomember 9 months ago
@Dubzoomember the furst story features some1's head getting bashed in. the second story introduces mutated space NAZIS who commit genocide on sight and this si a commentary upon the Nazis and nuclear war, for kids (yeah thats not challenging). the second story is mayb the darkest of the orig 3 and often overlooked. the edge of destruction which seems to have some horror movie overtones to me espeically when Susan is holding the scissors
227060 8 months ago
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Exactly, that kids show was BADASS!
Dubzoomember 8 months ago
@Dubzoomember how cud u call a kids show THAT bloodthirty not worth funding. on top of that u have 2 think about scale. eg Batman the Animated Series, sompared to alotta other shows its decent but probably average. among all the other shows in its age range it is the best of the best and Dr Who is essentially like that.
227060 8 months ago