Sinai - Moses' mountain

[convener777]

THIS IS NOT MT SINAI. IF YOU YOUTUBE THE REAL MT SINAI IT IS IN SAUDI ARABIA. I DOUBTED THIS FINDING, BUT REALISED THE AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE PROVED THAT MT SINAI IS IN SAUDI.

[markenssa]

Constantine had a vision that the mountain was in Egypt's penisula. His mother Helen, picked the site. Archaeologists found no evidence and concluded, and hence the Uploader, that the event did not happen. But they all looked in the wrong area, following the vision of the high priest of sun god worship rather than the Biblical record. All evidence points to Saudi Arabia. No Western Archaeologist has been allowed access this area.

[rrriu]

Una imagen de un rostro humano con cuernos aparece excavado en la duras cimas del sur del Sinai en fotos de satélite. Otras fotos inéditas esculpidas en las laderas de la “montaña de Moisés” en mi web:  webspace.webring.com/people/or­/ramonetriu/sinai.html

[rrriu03]

DESCHIPHERED MOSES'S RING I recommended you my last cultural research (in website) about a symbol

for a ring drown in meteoric iron. It was unpublished before me.

webspace.webring.com/people/or­/ramonetriu/moses-ring.html OTHER RRRiu

webspace.webring.com/people/or­/ramonetriu/links2111.html

[rrriu03]

Mt. SINAI in Egypt: New discovery of an human Face (NASA photosatellite)

See, please, a surprising image of human face with two horns.

Also a photo of a very huge human hand sculpted on two rectangles, all of them excavated on the hard rock of the Sinai zone in Egypt.

webspace.webring.com/people/or­/ramonetriu/sinai.html

webspace.webring.com/people/or­/ramonetriu/moises.html

[94WAIPAHUblocc]

is mount sinai same as mount zion?

[moti4love]

did you lern the torah of god befor you decied to beleave to muhamad ?

did you ever ask yourself : why god never reaveld on the arabs and told them to listen to muhamad - as he done with mosses?

did you ever ask yourself : why nobody saw god gave the quran as all of israel saw when he gave the torah?

why god was so silent and never say even one word about muhamad or the quran ?

hint : god dont speak with liers !

[8992mama]

Regardless what scientists say or discover.....God said it and that's final!! :)

[karlkarlkarl1234]

And it will come as an unpleasant shock to many that the God of Israel, Jehovah, had a female consort and that the early Israelite religion adopted monotheism only in the waning period of the monarchy and not at Mount Sinai." - Prof. Ze'ev Herzog, Tel Aviv University

[TheManners112]

the real mt. sinai in the bible is in Saudi Arabia and another thing which backs this claim is in the bible Abrahams wife the bondwoman HAGAR which in Arabic means one who does pilgramage was sent there with ISHMAEL , Abrahams eldest son. You can keep denying ISLAM all you want but who does pilgramage(HAJJ)? TRUTH stands alone , falsehoods perish. Duetronomy 18/18, which prophet is most like MOSES? Brethren of the Isralites , yes it is MOHAMMED pbuh descendant of Ismael.

[orbis2009]

No, Google the article, IS MOUNT SINAI IN SAUDI ARABIA? by Gordon Franz. It's not in Saudi Arabia. Tradition is the memory of a people who did not forget as moderns do---and as the evidence shows.

[jigglyfidda125]

Mount Sinai is the holiest place for Judaism, Christianity and Islam

[wtfpslliks]

@jigglyfidda125 no it isnt... holiest place for judiasm and christianity is jerusalem and islam is mecca...

[suerisk]

Nevertheless, islam4jesus and diegolara, if you look at this video you can see a rock record display the parchment Moses used for a stencil when sending the commandments to Mount Sinai using a miraculous process. The area is probably chosen for the spectacular recorded view of how Moses and people delivered the scriptures in such a grand manner.

[TedNatanael]

Search film - youtube

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Mountain Of Fire - The Search For The True Mount Sinai (Part 1)

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Exodus Revealed part 1

[MsAppleeater]

what a beutiful memories from that wonderful place, I didn't see that pond

[gustus707]

g-d gave the 10 commandments,but the Jewish accepted it, the others didn't,just so you know there was 600,000 Jewish people ,not including those who came with us after they saw the miracles g-d did to us.. so there was millions..if g-d would want to change hes nation,he should do a bigger announce and not whisper to a guy that he offers a new bible..just so u know the same story with islam.. just a copy of the Torah g-d himself gave,and not a man writing like islam and the christian.

[braincrackz]

i just saw the video of wyatt and i think he found the correct site of mt. sinai as what the bible says..i ask my co worker here in saudi arabia coz he is arabi and he said to me that mt.sinai is in egypt but when i saw him the video he was confuse and he said that the video he saw was here in saudi arabia.

[lizazoon]

Generations of scholars tried to locate Mt. Sinai.and the stations of the tribes of Israel in the desert.

Despite all this diligent research not one site was identified that could correspond to the Biblical picture. Professor Ze'ev Herzog of Tel Aviv University.

An Israeli archeologist is drawing fire for claiming that the Biblical history of the Jewish people is probably fiction

Ze'ev Herzog of Tel Aviv University

[DClolocaustmemorial]

to comprehend the phony WW2 holocaust claims one must first comprehend the phony biblical "Exodus" story. Judaism exists only because of the many phony atrocity hoaxes that the jewish planners have invented and spread such as The Exodus, Fall of Jerusalem and The Holocaust. Read online the recent LA Times featured article "Doubting The Story Of The Exodus" in which even prestigious jews such as rabbi David Wolpe and professor Ze'ev Herzog admitted that The Exodus story was only a fantasy.

[noremorse126]

you are an idiot.. to get a true understand one has to go and read the bible. go read the chapter of exodus. this is no phony hoax..

[DoctorX1932]

I'll look forward to seeing the documentary, hopefully they'll be confident enough in their findings to put it under professional scientific scrutiny from an impartial party.

It's exciting to find evidence of what could be from one of the most exciting events in Old Testament history.

[vachief]

....Yes....it should be good....as long as the scientists are not bank rolled by the Vatican. lol

[vachief]

...If the bible says Horeb is in Arabia near Elim and the 12 wells and that area contains artifacts that support a 40 year stay, evidence of abundant water etc. etc. thats tough to counter. This is especially true concidering that the traditional site can niether be authenticated by scripture or physical evidence. Personally, it would appear the case is now solved. I know the church does'nt like it, but they just made a mistake. It seems fairly simple.

[DoctorX1932]

I understand what you are saying and it appears that if the evidence is there, then this must be the correct site, but the problem for me is the small inaccuracies - I believe the Bible is absolutely accurate in what it says, it is man's error when evidence doesn't match up with the Biblical account.

I don't believe in overlooking small details - as in well, perhaps they got it wrong on that point.

[DoctorX1932]

Sorry for going over old points again, but in the video they failed to mention that Saudi Arabia (modern) and Arabia (historical) were different, and covered different amounts of land - to me this got me suspicious - did they know this - or did they choose to cover up this fact?

Moses and the Israelites spent two years in the Mt Sinai area.

I doubt we can come to a scientific resolution on this, and it is personal choice on what you prefer to believe. - peace.

[vachief]

....Yeah.....I agree they probably spent 2 years at Sinia before moving up to Kadesh. Moses' father-in law was the leader of the Midianites....Midian has always been in Arabia...and that is what the bible says. We all have to decide for ourselves...but Wyatt made a believer out of me though. In 2010.. I heard there will be a documentery coming out about all this.....should be interesting. I don't think this is really a matter of science....plain common sense and a little reading should suffice.

[DoctorX1932]

Moses leads the people through the Red Sea in Exodus 14. This is then followed by the song of deliverance.

Then in Exodus 15:22 it says: "So Moses brought Israel from the Red Sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur; and they went three days in the wilderness and found no water. And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter."

[DoctorX1932]

Genesis 16:7

[vachief]

...Gen. 16:7 ?......I'm not following you on this one. lol However I'm now convinced Shur is the north of the penninsula.

[DoctorX1932]

Genesis 16:7 - Hagar has run away from Sarah and Arbraham, she stops at a place called Beer-la-haroi, which we are told in Gen 16:7 is on the way to Shur.

Since Hagar has travelled from Hebron to Beer-la-haroi, in a westerly direction toward Egypt, we estimate that Shur must be in that direction, hence in northern Sinai.

All of the Biblical commentaries agree with this, although most of them were written quite a while ago.

[DoctorX1932]

I was originally convinced that the Arabian theory was entirely wrong, however after some research I am now not entirely sure it is.

I still believe that the Sinai setting fits best with the Biblical account, but there are some pieces of the Arabian theory that do seem to fit with the Biblical account.

The sinai location does not contradict the Biblical account and this is why I agree with that version, even though there is no empirical evidence.

[vachief]

.Shur is only mentioned once in the book of Exodus....but no where does it say they had to cross the Red Sea to get there. Like I was saying before, they walked from Goshen to the wilderness of Shur and on thier way camped near the northern tip of the Red Sea. From a biblical perspective, all the evidence I've seen so far in the last 2 weeks...points to Arabia. Elim and the 12 wells, then working backward and forward. Paul said the mountain of Moses...is in Arabia.

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[vachief]

...I suppose it boils down to either accepting the preponderance of the evidence....or Constantine and his mom. lol. Some people are biased toward Rome so I can understand the reluctance to disregard anything that would controdict that view.

[DoctorX1932]

The Arabian theory sounds really tempting, but it throws up too many problems...Sinai, although lacking physical evidence, fits with the geographical route displayed in the Bible, is accurate according to hundreds of years of biblical criticism and professional geographical analysis and makes more sense in its close proximity to the home of the amelakites.

[DoctorX1932]

I very much doubt that Constantin had the power to change the hearts and minds of Christians who had suffered martyrdom rather than paganism for more than two hundred years.

Christians at the time were very much the same as Christians today, all things had to be verified with the accuracy of the Bible - read the accounts of the early church fathers of the time to see this.

[DoctorX1932]

The Arabian theory points to what may be evidence for the true location of Mount Sinai, but it cannot say conclusively that this is the place.

The petroglyphs in my opinion are obviously from a neolithic people, and it is extremely unlikely that they were created by the Isrealites.

This site so far has gained no professional interest - does this mean that professional historians do not take it seriously.

For a lot of people this come too close to conspiracy theory.

[vachief]

..Rome has an interesting way of obscuring historical facts. Here is an example: While on tour in the city with a professional guide, I was shown Trevi fountain, the Coloseum , the Vatican etc. etc. Later we were shown a statue carved by a rather famous sculpter. It was a statue of "Moses" so the tour guide explained. Upon closer examination we noticed the statue had horns on it's head. lol. We proded the guide for some info, but he did'nt have a thing to say. Very odd.

[vachief]

...I agree....rather than change hearts and minds Constantine enacted religious laws....much easier and less work.

[DoctorX1932]

It is very unlikely that Mt Sinai is in Saudi Arabia, since there are too many contradictions with the Biblical account.

Paul wrote that Mt Sinai was in Arabia. He did not write that it was in Saudi Arabia.

Five minutes research will show you that Arabia 2,000 years ago included the Sinai Peninsula.

The Sinai peninsula is the most authentic location for Mt Sinai according to the Biblical details.

[vachief]

....Go to Arkdiscovery.

[vachief]

....and what biblical details would those be? Maybe you can point that out for us.

[DoctorX1932]

The Book of Exodus. The details are all in there.

We are told that after crossing the red sea Moses led the people through the wilderness of shur. We know that Shur is in the northern part of the Sinai peninsula, and not in the arabian peninsula. (See Genesis account, where God appears to Hagar)

[vachief]

....All maps conferm that Shur is in the northern part of the Sinia near the bitter lakes region....Moses lead his people through there...no question. Maps of the period show the penninsula as part of Egypt as it is today. The bible says Arabia not Egypt. Saud is just a family name of the current rulers.....the house of Saud did'nt exist in the time of Moses. The scriptures are accurate....Wyatt new this...and so should everyone else.

[vachief]

...btw...Constantine and his mother were Pagans at heart....there is no reason to believe thier interpretations. Their supposed conversion to Christianity was more of a political manuver. Interesting history on the intentional corruption of things related to the bible.

[DoctorX1932]

Sinai was not a part of Egypt at the time of Paul's writing in the Bible (Where are you getting your sources?)

The Romans named the region containing the Sinai peninsula Arabia Petrea around a hundred years after Paul's writing, verifying that the Sinai Peninsula was a part of ancient Arabia.

[DoctorX1932]

If you agree that the Wilderness of Shur is in northern Sinai, then how would it be possible for Moses to lead the people across the red sea (and into Saudi Arabia), then miraculously beam over to the wilderness of Shur for three days, before beaming back to find Marah (the location of which remains unsolved)

[vachief]

...There is no need to cross the Red Sea to get from Goshen to the deserts of Shur as the Red Sea is 50 miles south of there. They went from Goshen to Succoth then thorough Shur and the mountains of the central Sinia. From That point on to Etham then down to Nuaba at the beach on the western shore of the Gulf of Aquba. Directly on the other side (Arabia) is the land of Midian were Elim is located (12 wells) the holy mountain is at Jabel el Laws. It's been solved.

[vachief]

..Incidently it is a straight shot north from Jabel El Laws to Canaan. The distance the Isrealites traveled to get to the Red Sea crossing is about 140 miles....the bible says they traveled 6 days and nights. The holy mountain can not be on the Sinia penninsula for dozens of reasons. The logistics don't work as well as being contrary to scripture.

[DoctorX1932]

If you pay attention to the order of the Exodus as presented in the Bible we read that they cross the Red Sea before arriving in the Wilderness of Shur.

For some reason you have them passing through the wilderness of Shur before they cross the Red Sea.

Saudi Arabia is a modern geographic boundary, one thing history teaches us is that geographic boundaries change constantly with time.

Arabia covered a greater area 2000 years ago

[vachief]

...I guess that the map in the NIV must be wrong...and that Shur is indeed not in northern Sinia. Intresting. One thing we do know is that Elim and it's 12 wells,as well as all the other artifacts pertaining to the story, lie on the eastern shore of the Gulf of Aquba....not to mention the Egyptian artifacts found in the water.

[DoctorX1932]

Shur is in northern Sinai according to Genesis. You can't change the facts just because they seem to contradict your theory. There is no tradition of an area called Shur mentioned in connection with Saudi Arabia.

I will agree with you that there are some interesting points with the Saudi Arabia theory, but none of them are conclusive.

The columns found near the Saudi Arabia Mt Sinai site are suspected of being of Nabataean origin by many critics.

[DoctorX1932]

I am not saying that it is impossible that Mt Sinai is in Saudi Arabia, but I am saying that there are MAJOR problems with the theory that render it inconclusive.

What I like about this theory:

The artifacts found in the Gulf of Aqabar (For me this is the most compelling fact, but until further research is undertaken is not sufficient proof - eg where are the hundreds of chariots and human remains?)

Continued...

[DoctorX1932]

I like the fact that the bitter lakes are where the Bible states they are, this is very interesting.

I like the fact that there is what appears to be an altar at the base of the mountain which features petroglyphs of bovine creatures, (something unique) to Saudi Arabia.

Although the petroglyphs are amazingly similar to the hundreds of other petroglyph sites found across Saudi Arabia, which causes suspicion amongst many critics.

[DoctorX1932]

The points I don't like about the theory:

The assumption that the Bible is stating that Mt Sinai is in Saudi Arabia. It is not, it is pointing to Arabia, which we know from the writings of Strabo covered the region of the Sinai Peninsula.

Why were the petroglyphs not destroyed at the same time that the golden calf was destroyed?

Continued...

[DoctorX1932]

What is supposed in this theory to be the altar of moses with the 12 columns or pillars is considered by some critics to be of Nabotaean origin, thus dating no later than 1BC, this is based on similarity with other Nabotaean constructions and the fact that Nabotaean pottery was found at this site.

It is interesting that there are 12 pillars, and the critics could easily be wrong.

The size of the alter is very large, many other altar discoveries of later dates were never this big.

[DoctorX1932]

I don't believe the theory is 100 per cent accurate with the Biblical account, but there are some very interesting points to take into consideration.

Could this be the real Mt Sinai?

It is possible, but it is not certain.

Consider for example, that the Sinai Peninsula is closer to the home land of the Amalekites than Saudi Arabia.

[vachief]

...Yes...that may be so, but were only talking of a distance of 140 miles....this is not a huge area. A million Isrealites could have easily made this journey traveling 6 days and nights. The fact that there is no physical support for the traditional site is what seems to be giving this story legs.

[DoctorX1932]

The chapter and verse in Genesis is Genesis 16:7.

What we know about Arabia at the time of Paul's writings comes mainly from the writings of the historian Strabo, who lived around the time of Paul.

We also have the old Roman accounts regarding the area. At the time of Moses' writing the area was not known as Arabia, this is why he simply calls it a wilderness.

There are some very interesting points regarding this theory and I cannot disprove it, nor can I prove it.

[vachief]

...You could be right about the penninsula....half the maps I googled earlier show it as Egyptian, but some as Arabia. The intresting part is that the land due east has always without question been known as Arabia now called Saudi Arabia, which would jive with the biblical account.

[vachief]

....What I heard is that the petroglyphs are unique to Arabia and that they are Egyptian in design. I think I'm going to buy Wyatts book....I find this whole thing rather intriguing.

[vachief]

.....I can't find anything conclusive that pinpoints Shur.....do you have a chapter and verse? There is so little evidence for the traditional site, I guess that's why the Arabian site seems the most probable.

[Thenicedude3]

mount sinai is located in arabia which is now saudi arabia. paul wrote that in the bible

[hamody6666]

thats wrong

[diegolara]

That's not Mt Sinai. That is the mountain the catholic church chose as Mt. Sinai. Just another deception by the catholic church. The real Mt. Sinai is in Saudi Arabia. This should be common knowledge but its not since there is people with certain interest who don't want the truth to be exposed because then it would prove that the story of Moses and the Bible true.

[tommy3lions]

@diegolara even the new testament itself says that its in Midian, which is in saudi arabia. your right mate.

[MsAppleeater]

@diegolara I'm afraid I wont go to Saudi Arabia any time in my live

[hdiylove7]

You can come to Jesus just as you are, no more long pilgrimages..... He will abundantly pardon and cleanse you from all your sins=)

[onebfb]

Jebal Al-Lawz is it at it is written.

[sifstarr]

i climbed this moutain just 2 days ago, i just had to find a youtube video to reminise...

[lilcazamo]

Wooooooow am so glad to see this video i was there in mount sinai last summer 17.7.2008 i get blessin from God there

[aTruster]

Galatians 4:25

For this A'gar is Mount Si'nai in Ara'bi-a......

Sorry to disappoint all you folks that thought it was in Egypt.

Don't people read the Bible anymore?

Blessings, H.

[soldier9718]

god bless all arab orthodox!

[DoctorX1932]

At the time of writing the Sinai Peninsula was considered part of Arabia:

The Romans named three regions with the prefix "arabia", encompassing a larger area than the current term "Arabian Peninsula": * Arabia Petraea: for the area that is today southern modern Syria, Jordan, the Sinai Peninsula and northwestern Saudi Arabia. It was the only one that became a province with Petra as its capital.

Info taken from Wikipedia

[Jejerian]

Cheers! I've been there a month before!

[islam4jesus]

Sorry to disappoint you Bro, but according to the latest archaeological discovery; The real Mt. Sinai is over in Saudi Arabia other wise known as Jebal Al-Lawz, just as Paul in the Bible said and the Quran of Islam stated ( next to Midian).. check it out on you tube. See the blackened, burned peak, the split rock which Moses struck, and the altar which the golden calf was placed.

[MsAppleeater]

@islam4jesus maybe you should write "a real Mt.Moses is somewhere else" because it sound strange if you say Mt.Sinai is outside of Sinai Penisula

[sandyjane77]

wow..just think God touched this mountian with his finger when he wrote the 10 commandments ...moses was so lucky

[JoWarner]

Moses and his people can never have reached this area in former times! The whole area inside Sinai had no food for these many people and their animals during the long time of passing over. And at no time they were able to cross the deep waters at Gulf of Suez. They have passed in the area of the Bitter Lakes and the direction north to the Mediterranean Sea.

So the story about the 10 commandments on top of this mountain is nice but not true.

[sandyjane77]

what would u know...u don't know God...so i see ur words are definatly false...u just seem to dribble out a load of crap...go figure

[gracebass]

Christians, who are informed, believe that Moses crossed the Gulf of Aqaba on the eastern shore of the Sinai peninsula over to "Jabel Al Laws" in Midian or Saudi Arabia by a land bridge found by satellite typographical cameras underwater. The alter of the Calf was found with the fire mountain & rock that burst forth water for the Israelites.

[IMAKDESSI]

Mr. JoWarner it seems you haven't read the Holy Book, I advise you to start.

The People of Israel Stayed in Sinai for 40 years God was feeding them from heavens...

and from more than 3000 years you don't know how this desert looked like

Regards

[pizza38921111]

your myth is nice but send it to story tellers my friend this is true your free to believe what you want and what religion are you?/

[diegolara]

You are right that Moses and his people could have not made it there and survived....... BECAUSE THAT IS NOT MT SINAI!.. The real MT Sinai is in Saudi Arabia. So stop attacking God by using false locations that aren't even the real places that the Bible speaks about.

[gustus707]

@JoWarner then let me tell you something, all the way jewish people walked in this desert, g-d gave the jewish people food from the sky called "man" and that man was a spaciel food that what ever you want to eat that spaciel food will change in your mouth.. quit saying stuff u know nothing about

[lizazoon]

@gustus707 What a lot of crap. The whole Exodus story is bogus. It never happened. It never can have happened.  It simply is materially IMPOSSIBLE.

[4brynn1]

@sandyjane77 Yes he did!

[blueblue1891]

Galatians 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

[egyegylove]

it's not all sinai go to my country and you will see the best in your life

[wms72]

Thank you for this opportunity to see Sinai.