Well, I still love him on the "Ten Commandments". He was great in that. And I also like him on "Planet Of The Apes" (the original). But around this time, he was having problems with his memory because of Alzheimer's Disease.
Charlton Heston is at the onset of senile dementia in this disgusting clip; he also has Alzheimer's. Not to even mention the spicing of scenes and crafty editing involved. And finally, America isn't even near the top gun related crime country in the world: South Africa, Columbia, Jamaica, Russia, Mexico, Zimbabwe, Ghana, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Brazil, Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania and many more are many more times higher on the list.
The NRA is awsome! Charalton Heston was great! I keep my pistol loaded all the time in the house.If someone breaks in I won't have to worry about loading it.
@TheTdotNig You need to look into the NRA.We are freedom fighters without your gun you are an easy target.The students that were killed at Columbine were unarmed,the students at VT were unarmed.
You don't see Boeing American airlines united airlines have to stop production because they sold tickets to those men who hijacked the planes they didn't know what was going to happen a company shouldn't be screwed from business because some jackasses choose to do something completely stupid tragic yes their fault. No. That's just my opinion
It's a pity that Charlton Heston was a good actor, 'cause he seemed like a really shitty person.
What kind of person actually campaigns for their 'right to bear arms', when the only point of guns is to kill someone / something?! I really can't wrap my head around it. Someone please explain it to me.
@133j0hn Guns make it much easier to kill people. I'm from England, gun crime is unheard of where I live, if we all had guns I'm certain we would hear about it a lot more.
@OTSTRETFORD I'm sure you hear of lots of stabbings where you're from, am I right?
Let's just quote WIKI "of the 839 homicides in England and Wales in 2005, 29% involved sharp instruments including knives, blades and swords. Firearms account for just 9% of murders in Britain"
In Canada where I live some guy went ape shit crazy and sawed some guys head off on a bus for looking at him funny so dont tell me it's easier to kill people with a gun, at least the bad guy will have to stop and reload
@JacobTheButcher Per every 100,000 people. The United Kingdom has 1.4 homicides, where as America, 4.8... Don't tell me that guns don't make it easier to kill people.
Do you see how statistics can prove anything you like? I'm just going to let the whole world keep laughing at America... Keep your guns, it makes our news more interesting.
@OTSTRETFORD Statistics aren't evidence? It's plain to see that you have readily available blades and have a 29%blade to 9%gun homicide rate. You also only have a 61million person population where as the US has a population of 312 million. And since statistics aren't enough for you here's some math... a 5:1 ratio would dictate that if you had the same population as the US you would have an equal or greater rate of homicide per 100 000. Like stated before I live in CANADA so laugh away at the US
@133j0hn That's the point he's making with the film. He brought up the theory that guns were the problem, and discredited it by showing that Canadians own just as many guns as Americans do, and commit far fewer murders. Ending the film with the president of the NRA wasn't to say that guns are the problem - it was to say that people who refuse to consider the motives for owning a gun are the people who will use a gun as a weapon of violence.
It still doesn't explain Moore's bipolar tendencies in this movie, like when he confronts Kmart about selling ammunition. Sure, the kids were shot using Kmart ammunition, but the true culprits were the 2 psycho teenagers at Columbine. Why blame Kmart for having ammunition available for purchase?
@133j0hn Fair enough; K-Mart can't be blamed for the actions of individuals any more than Marilyn Manson can, and I agree that Moore's tactics came across as too accusatory to convey the point that I found interesting - isn't it a bit ludicrous for a department store to be selling bullets? I think that K-Mart's attitude toward ammunition sales reflects the overall attitude toward guns that the film is trying to examine. You're right, though - the tone detracts from the message in this segment.
Yeah, this film just left me feeling quite confused as to Moore's final stance on gun control. I didn't walk out of it with any definitive take-home message, like I thought I would. I completely agree with some parts of this film, while the other parts, albeit jarring, were completely on the other side of the spectrum. I can't help but feel like this documentary was composited in a way that almost resembles someone turning in a persuasive essay without writing a conclusion for it.
I cant believe that america has such a HIGH Homicide rate per year, it is depressing to me, I am thinking about moving to canada or the UK or australia cant decide which one yet. everyone down here is so vicious my thought is that it's all the immigrants coming from mexico and south america that are causing so many problems. not the honest families who are working for shit pay and struggling, but the ones who are involved with the cartels and drug smuggling. kidnapping etc. its not right!
heston seems really dumb....he really doesnt know anything about anything.....why is he even speaking ? damn. its sad to see hes the president of anything....let alone the nra. im sure they need a dumb ass as their president .....i feel bad for literacy. put down the guns man, pick up a history book. christ !
Interesting, I was expecting an anti-gun rally but this movie seems more of a call for a healthier society. I mean he pointed out that Canada has a ton of guns but little gun violence. So it's not just the guns, although well, like Eddie Izzard said "I think the gun helps." But it seems like there's more to it.
In my little country we've had two cases of school shootings now, which makes me wonder about this issue. It's not just America, clearly. Is there something we can do?
@Tuuliska Also, a friend of mine pointed out yesterday that one of our mutual friends, this young white guy, is a classic example of the type of person who end up going on a killing spree. The scary thing is, while I don't believe he would, I honestly couldn't say "no way!" And I just think about all the young people in my country who have nothing to look forward to, who have no future. Our friend probably won't do anything stupid. I hope. But if not him what about those thousands of others?
@tumortim666 He may not have known at the time of filming, but the knowledge was out long before the film was finished editing, and it would have been more ethical to remove this segment, especially since it's been heavily edited (if the time is anything to go by). As someone whose grandmother is suffering from dementia and early Alzheimer's I can tell you that it's very easy to confuse people who have it without meaning to.
@thebearjew825 your a prick look at your username you racist when you are sticking up for the most hated amendment it is hard to speak fluently. you liberal
@patsyd80, yes, I do, and in fact that's the point. You believed that because Moore LED YOU to believe that. The movie was largely DESIGNED to make Heston and the NRA, and to a lesser extent the USA, look as bad as possible.
Earlier on, during the Columbine segment, he shows the reactions of the students, ending on one girl who, crying, says, "And he shot the black kid, just because he was black…" — then immediately fades to black, and fades in on Heston saying, "From my cold, dead hands!"
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@RadarGuidedVermin In 1993, the FBI's Crime in the United States estimated that almost 2 million violent crimes of murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault were reported to the police by citizens. About 582,000 of these reported murders, robberies, and aggravated assaults were committed with firearms. Murder was the crime that most frequently involved firearms; 70% of the 24,526 murders in 1993 were committed with firearms.
@vanillaskynet 2002 data, far more current than 1993, place the murder rate at 16,204, and this figure includes non-firearm related incidences. Compare this with the well over a million annual defensive uses of a firearm and Vanilla-idiot's argument is blown out of the water. Try again, loser.
The simple point being made is criminals wouldn't commit crimes if they didn't have a weapon, if you had a gun wouldn't you be more inclined to commit a crime than not having one at all? guns make it easy for people to go out and commit crimes. I'm not saying without guns there will be no crime, there still will be crimes, but not very high. murder rates will decrease and homicide will decrease.
@vanillaskynet, also, one MAJOR aspect of guns-for-defense doesn't show up in any statistics that I know of: how many crimes never happened (or happened to someone else) BECAUSE the would-be criminal found out that the home occupant or other intended victim owned guns?
It would be interesting indeed to see which of these signs in a yard deters the most criminals:
• "Beware of Dog"
• "This Home Protected by ____® Security Systems"
• "Forget the Dog — Beware of OWNER!" (showing gun)
We kill each other more then Canada because we are just to scared. We are so scared we kill anyone that we think is going to kill us even if they really dident want to kill us
@KingTekins Many Central and South American countries, such as Mexico, effectively ban gun ownership, yet they have FAR, FAR more gun violence than the U.S. POOF! There goes your argument. Try making an intelligent hypothesis next time.
I enjoy the points in this movie but many I don't agree with. A fight to illegalize guns is a fight that truly can't be won. A more effective and logical fight would be a fight against the media exploiting paranoid Americans. And I don't think the girl being shot has anything to do with the ease of legally buying a firearm, it's more about the ease of the boy taking the gun from his uncle's house. If a 1st grader can take a gun from your home and get it to school maybe there's a problem :/
@tirekerist Finally, some who has commented this video who has an educated and balanced view point. I have drawn similar conclusions myself to this documentary - clearly this documentary uncovers some macabre realities within US society...
@Chrisw868 This is not a "documentary," it is a propaganda film full of falsified facts and absurd conclusions. It was designed so that idiots, like you, would make Moore rich in a capitalistic way. You've been duped.
@RadarGuidedVermin Well, thats a nice bit of trivia! I didnt know that and it is truely interesting when looking at the economic and industrial situation in Britain between 1939 and 1945 - but it is clearly irrelevant to this debate. Well, I'm going to stop replying to your monumentally ignorant comments now, based on the fact that clearly you seek nothing other than to affirm you misguided and bias views. I hope you enjoy that because it appears to be all you have... Prick.
So, Charleton Heston is essentially a bigot... :o(
He claims that we have more racial integration than other countries. (not true)
He really has no answer for any of Moore's questions and finally has had enough and walks away. It must be difficult to have to look at yourself in the mirror everyday knowing that after all the blessings you have been given in your life, you turn out to be an extremely shallow character after all...
@dzlaty Charleton Heston marched with Dr. Martin Luther King and fought for the civil liberties of minorities. He has done more for black people then you could ever hope to do. It must be difficult for you to look in the mirror and realize that you're fucking stupid. By the way, his name is spelled "Charlton," dumbass. If you're going to try and insult some one, at least learn how to spell their name correctly. Another idiot DESTROYED.
That picture of the dead girl thing ruined the entire documentary, because its so obviously staged. There are suddenly 2 cameras from different angles, the voice recording of Moore is different and its all so fake. What a shame :(
@likeastarbaby, see my comments on Michael Moore's own upload of the interview portion, uploaded under his very own "mmflint" channel (just 48 hours after Charlton Heston was pronounced dead, ironically enough). There's much, much more wrong with this than just what you pointed out.
And the dead girl's photo was very, very much NOT the only thing staged nor faked nor otherwise deliberately misleading in this documentary.
@COMALiteJ ...I don't care if something else was staged, because this documentary did more good than bad. I don't care if he owned Heston or made him upset, and I don't get why anyone else does, because Heston was some scummy, gun loving cowboy. I hate the whole NRA anyway, the results of gun handling is ultimately the deaths or injury of animals or humans. Sick.
@likeastarbaby, we can debate the pros and cons and history of guns, the Second Amendment, and the NRA, but that's not the point here.
Yes, Moore "owned" Heston, in the sense that I could "own" an Olympic gold medalist sprinter in a race despite being over ½ a century old and with bum knees and never having been athletic, if I get to set the rules. My rules would include that I get to use a police pursuit-model Segway® and the gold medalist has to hop on one foot while wearing high heels.
@likeastarbaby, How much of your negative opinion of Heston is from this movie? Did you hate Heston as much as you apparently do BEFORE you saw it or even heard of it? Be honest, now.
Again: you yourself noticed the staging of the girl's photo thing. Extrapolate that: EVERYTHING IN THIS MOVIE — EVERYTHING you saw and heard — was completely, 100% controlled by one man: Michael Moore. NOTHING got in there that he didn't want in there. This is NOT some interview on a TV talk show.
Charlton Heston is a bastard. Any decent human being would not have shown up immediately after such tragedies and proclaimed the 'right' to own guns. To do that is unspeakably insensitive whether he had the legal right to or not.
I believe the so-called right to own a gun is archaic. In modern society, there needs to be more control and gun ownership should be viewed as a privilege and not a right. FACT: If you have a gun you are more likely to use deadly force, necessary or no.
@wander099: 'Any decent human being would not have shown up immediately after such tragedies and proclaimed the 'right' to own guns."
True, no decent human being would do so. And guess what? Despite what this documentary says, NEITHER CHARLTON HESTON nor the NRA DID ANY SUCH THING! Not in Littleton (which is where Columbine was — NOT DENVER!!), nor in Flint.
See my other posts on these videos where I go into much more detail on what REALLY happened in both cases.
Listen again to what Heston actually said. He said that we had problems with Civil Rights in the 1960s, and he was right. We did, namely, that Civil Rights were being DENIED to a major portion of our population, just because of the color of their skin. BEFORE IT WAS POPULAR TO DO SO, Heston got off his duff and DID something about it. He worked with MLKjr to break down the Hollywood color barrier, and LED his fellow actors in the March on Washington.
As for the comment on ethnicities, again, he's saying the simple truth: historically speaking, multiple ethnicities generally don't tend to get along well when forced in close proximity. This is not a RACIAL thing ("ethnicity" ≠ "race"), but a HUMAN thing. Even among the same "race," even among people that white Americans would be hard-pressed to tell apart, different ethnicities clash. Serbs vs. Croats. Hutus vs. Tutsis. Viets vs. Hmong. Arabs vs. Persians vs. Kurds. Etc. etc. etc.
@AtheismDirect, I strongly suspect that RadarGuidedVermin is actually a left-winger gun-grabber anti-American Michael Moore fan who's trying to make people who really do believe as he pretends to look bad.
Americans say they are lucky to be able to own guns. How fuckin' stupid are they. Its lucky to have free health care, to be able to go into a hospital and not pay. What has the world come to if you have to pay to just stay healthy??
@MrErikOwens, ZOYA09's "TRIPHAZER" uploads have near-perfect synch, but much worse video quality. Also, ZOYA09 blocks people who point out that his beloved Emperor Moore was 100% underdressed. So far as I know, PaddyDX does not (at least, he hasn't blocked ME yet).
michael moore makes me sick. it is just so easy to point out the negative aspects in any situation. i don't like guns, i don't own a gun, but as soon as you take away my right to own one, you have the power to strip me of my free speech, right of religion (if i choose to follow a religion) and any other freedoms i was born with as an American
That guy is such an asshole.. He showed up after Columbine, and the other shooting incident, yelling how good it is all the Americans have the right to carry weapons. Disgusting.
I can't believe how Americans keep saying the gun law is fine, it's NOT 17 year old kids carry guns with them, how is that ok?!
@CaptainP00face: "That guy is such an asshole.. He showed up after Columbine, and the other shooting incident, yelling how good it is all the Americans have the right to carry weapons. Disgusting."
No, he didn't. Not in either case. Read my other posts on the subject, and also go to Michael Moore's own upload of the interview (under his "mmfllint" channel) and read my posts there, which includes time points so you can see exactly how Moore deceived you.
the thing moore did with the picture of that girl was fake and overdramatic. the rest of the documentary was awesome, but that kinda ruined it for me.
@likeastarbaby, Heston was racist!? You do know that he was a MAJOR Civil Rights supporter, right? Worked alongside Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to break down Hollywood's color barrier in the 50s and 60s (and yes, they had one, as much as oh-so-liberal Hollywood would love to forget about it and pretend they didn't — remember Amos 'n' Andy? Steppin' Fetchit? The censored black caricature centaur in "Fantasia"? Hollywood.). HE *LED* the actors' component of the March on Washington!
@COMALiteJ Dude...he said that the reason for the large amount of gun crime was that America has 'more of a mixed ethnicity' than other countries. If thats not racist I don't know what is.
@likeastarbaby, for starters, "ethnicites" ≠ "races". The Hutus & Tutsis are the same "race," but different ethnicities. Ditto the Viets & Hmong, Serbs & Croats, Arabs & Persians & Kurds, etc.
All of those groups of ethnicities, in recent years, have hated each other to the point of outright ethnic warfare.
Heston was simply telling a sad truth: historically speaking, different ethnicities tend not to get along in the same territory. This isn't a racial thing. It's an all too human thing.
@COMALiteJ Omg, get a life. You obviously have some sort of sad vendetta against this documentary and its negative portrayal your bum buddy Heston. If you think, for some obscure reason that that crazed gun man was a good guy, thats your opinion. Why have you spent the last two months replying to everyone that comments on this? People like you irritate me anyway. Why are you getting so caught up in semantics? No-one cares.
@likeastarbaby, because Heston was NOT a cowboy ("scummy, gun-loving" or otherwise), nor a "crazed gun man." He was a very sane, very good actor and man who fought for Civil Rights in Hollywood BEFORE it was popular to do so (indeed, he made a lot of enemies in Hollywood for that very reason [I suspect that Moore's Oscar for this movie was at least partly because of that — the Motion Picture Academy people should easily have noticed the things I've noticed, them being world-class pros at it]).
@likeastarbaby, "Why are you getting so caught up in semantics?"
It's not mere semantics. While Moore was very careful never to actually call Heston a racist, he pulled lots of tricks to make Heston (who LED the other actors in the Civil Rights March on Washington!) LOOK like a racist, so much so that YOU FELL FOR IT YOURSELF.
This is LIBEL. What Moore did was LIBEL the name of a great man, and of the NRA. He used all manner of trickery including BALD-FACED LIES, and I can PROVE it.
@rejecteddefect: "[Heston] said he didn't intentionally schedule a pro-gun rally after the little girl was killed, but he scheduled a pro-gun rally after Columbine. Coincidence? Please. He did it on purpose. It was insensitive."
No, he didn't. That CONVENTION was scheduled YEARS in advance, and it was at DENVER. Denver is NOT LITTLETON. Littleton is where Columbine was.
IF the NRA were to hold a rally right after Columbine just to rub their noses in it, they would've held it in LITTLETON.
@COMALiteJ Also, let's not forget, they held their meeting in a building behind closed doors. It's not like they were having some big rally at the funerals of the murdered victims shoving pro-gun messages in everyone's face. There is so much dishonesty and anything from altered half-truths to flat out lies in this movie, Michael Moore is not a credible source.
@swans1997: "I thought the dead girl photo, was an unfair low blow to Heston."
Oh, it was much, MUCH worse than just that. Guess what? Moore never even actually SHOWED THE PHOTO to Heston! He did NOT ask Heston to look at it WHILE HESTON WAS STILL AROUND AND WITHIN THE SOUND OF HIS VOICE!
He made it LOOK that way through clever editing and staging, but I can PROVE right from this video that that is NOT what ACTUALLY HAPPENED!
Where's the second cameraman? There are TWO CAMERA SHOTS!
@dn821939, yes, it would indeed be insensitive to hold an NRA meet in Flint right after such an awful gun tragedy — but neither Heston nor the NRA did ANY SUCH THING.
That was NOT — repeat: *NOT* — an NRA rally, nor NRA meeting of any kind.
It was NOT — repeat: *NOT* — held in the immediate aftermath of Kayla's death.
Moore cleverly led the viewers to false conclusions, and bald-faced lied about it being "a big gun rally" — it was nothing of the kind.
@drumheed: "Columbine did not occur in isolation but, rather, was the most serious of a cluster of
seven school shootings with large numbers of victims that occurred in a 19-month
period of time in the late 1990s. What are the motives of these killers?"
Is that a rhetorical question, or do you really want the answer? Moore himself finally figured it out. Too bad he didn't sooner — with his skills, he may have been able to bring attention to bear and prevented the Virginia Tech massacre.
@brucet95: "Moore is good,but the NRA guy should blow his brains out with his gun,don't get mad i hve a point,he hosted a NRA convention at colombine a week or so after the shooting"
No. Read what I just posted to PeterBluth: that convention was planned YEARS in advance, and had a MANDATORY meeting (which Heston spoke at) that COULD NOT BE canceled nor its venue changed BY LAW, without TEN DAYS' WRITTEN NOTICE to ALL NRA members.
@kateopal, that's because it really IS a Constitutional right in the USA. Second Amendment, part of the Bill of Rights, and thus part of the Constitution: "A well regulated Militia, necessary for the security of a free State, the Right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
FUCK THE NRA
Kuhnfuze 1 week ago
@Kuhnfuze
fuck the nra? please step away from the crack
USMarineRifleman0311 3 days ago
I love how Americans have slacker gun laws than Canada, yet they still fear their guns being taken away. Lol
MiserableOldGarred 3 weeks ago
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Xcoming2 1 month ago 2
long live voldermort
yousizzle 1 month ago
so basically, heston says that just because america has a history of violence, that violence is ok? WTF?
TruthandPassion 1 month ago
Well, I still love him on the "Ten Commandments". He was great in that. And I also like him on "Planet Of The Apes" (the original). But around this time, he was having problems with his memory because of Alzheimer's Disease.
JoLeana76 2 months ago
5:36 shows moore from the front so a camera must've been in front of him
5:39 camera gives view over moore's shoulder of heston leaving but NOT of the camera that gave us moore's front
In 3 seconds that camera has disappeared
H4rryF 2 months ago
@H4rryF
Thank you
Someone noticed the camera tricks mike uses
He makes Heston to be some sort of monster
I think you should watch "Micheal Moore hates America".
wesleymessly 1 month ago
@wesleymessly It do not think Moore uses camera tricks. the NRA and the political rights are assholes, it has nothing to do with camera tricks.
captain2ahab 4 days ago
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H4rryF 2 months ago
Everything eventually boils down to consumer fear in the end.
483Elle 2 months ago
Charlton Heston is at the onset of senile dementia in this disgusting clip; he also has Alzheimer's. Not to even mention the spicing of scenes and crafty editing involved. And finally, America isn't even near the top gun related crime country in the world: South Africa, Columbia, Jamaica, Russia, Mexico, Zimbabwe, Ghana, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Brazil, Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania and many more are many more times higher on the list.
TheSRV007 2 months ago
i have lost all respect for charlton heston and the NRA, simply exercising the 2nd amendment because they can.
scorpion1ification 2 months ago
"ME (?!?!) APOLOGISE??" lol! He seems delusional.
Danfitz2010 2 months ago
The NRA is awsome! Charalton Heston was great! I keep my pistol loaded all the time in the house.If someone breaks in I won't have to worry about loading it.
616ist 2 months ago
@616ist if you watched from part 1 until now, you wasted your time if you still think positive about the nra
TheTdotNig 2 months ago
@TheTdotNig You need to look into the NRA.We are freedom fighters without your gun you are an easy target.The students that were killed at Columbine were unarmed,the students at VT were unarmed.
616ist 2 months ago
@TheTdotNig your a complete retard wait till someone you know gets robbed or killed by a criminal then youll wish they had a gun to defend themself
123skaterbeast 1 month ago
I never thought I would despise Charlton Heston so much! He was one of my favorite actors
QQQQcathy 3 months ago
You don't see Boeing American airlines united airlines have to stop production because they sold tickets to those men who hijacked the planes they didn't know what was going to happen a company shouldn't be screwed from business because some jackasses choose to do something completely stupid tragic yes their fault. No. That's just my opinion
Ikedaddy2050 3 months ago
It's a pity that Charlton Heston was a good actor, 'cause he seemed like a really shitty person.
What kind of person actually campaigns for their 'right to bear arms', when the only point of guns is to kill someone / something?! I really can't wrap my head around it. Someone please explain it to me.
RoCkYoUrSoCkSoFF1 3 months ago
so it's because of the fear people have of others, that make America have a high rate of gun deaths?
Cryptically 3 months ago
Michael Moore means well, but his logic is deeply flawed.
Guns don't kill people -- people kill people.
133j0hn 3 months ago
@133j0hn Guns make it much easier to kill people. I'm from England, gun crime is unheard of where I live, if we all had guns I'm certain we would hear about it a lot more.
OTSTRETFORD 3 months ago
@OTSTRETFORD I'm sure you hear of lots of stabbings where you're from, am I right?
Let's just quote WIKI "of the 839 homicides in England and Wales in 2005, 29% involved sharp instruments including knives, blades and swords. Firearms account for just 9% of murders in Britain"
In Canada where I live some guy went ape shit crazy and sawed some guys head off on a bus for looking at him funny so dont tell me it's easier to kill people with a gun, at least the bad guy will have to stop and reload
JacobTheButcher 3 months ago
@JacobTheButcher Per every 100,000 people. The United Kingdom has 1.4 homicides, where as America, 4.8... Don't tell me that guns don't make it easier to kill people.
Do you see how statistics can prove anything you like? I'm just going to let the whole world keep laughing at America... Keep your guns, it makes our news more interesting.
OTSTRETFORD 3 months ago
@OTSTRETFORD Statistics aren't evidence? It's plain to see that you have readily available blades and have a 29%blade to 9%gun homicide rate. You also only have a 61million person population where as the US has a population of 312 million. And since statistics aren't enough for you here's some math... a 5:1 ratio would dictate that if you had the same population as the US you would have an equal or greater rate of homicide per 100 000. Like stated before I live in CANADA so laugh away at the US
JacobTheButcher 3 months ago
@133j0hn That's the point he's making with the film. He brought up the theory that guns were the problem, and discredited it by showing that Canadians own just as many guns as Americans do, and commit far fewer murders. Ending the film with the president of the NRA wasn't to say that guns are the problem - it was to say that people who refuse to consider the motives for owning a gun are the people who will use a gun as a weapon of violence.
EmilyKwissa 3 months ago
@EmilyKwissa Well said
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It still doesn't explain Moore's bipolar tendencies in this movie, like when he confronts Kmart about selling ammunition. Sure, the kids were shot using Kmart ammunition, but the true culprits were the 2 psycho teenagers at Columbine. Why blame Kmart for having ammunition available for purchase?
133j0hn 3 months ago
@133j0hn Fair enough; K-Mart can't be blamed for the actions of individuals any more than Marilyn Manson can, and I agree that Moore's tactics came across as too accusatory to convey the point that I found interesting - isn't it a bit ludicrous for a department store to be selling bullets? I think that K-Mart's attitude toward ammunition sales reflects the overall attitude toward guns that the film is trying to examine. You're right, though - the tone detracts from the message in this segment.
EmilyKwissa 3 months ago
@EmilyKwissa
Yeah, this film just left me feeling quite confused as to Moore's final stance on gun control. I didn't walk out of it with any definitive take-home message, like I thought I would. I completely agree with some parts of this film, while the other parts, albeit jarring, were completely on the other side of the spectrum. I can't help but feel like this documentary was composited in a way that almost resembles someone turning in a persuasive essay without writing a conclusion for it.
133j0hn 3 months ago
@133j0hn yeah and they kill those people with guns.
merceditas2009 1 month ago
I cant believe that america has such a HIGH Homicide rate per year, it is depressing to me, I am thinking about moving to canada or the UK or australia cant decide which one yet. everyone down here is so vicious my thought is that it's all the immigrants coming from mexico and south america that are causing so many problems. not the honest families who are working for shit pay and struggling, but the ones who are involved with the cartels and drug smuggling. kidnapping etc. its not right!
SouthernCalifornia69 4 months ago
heston seems really dumb....he really doesnt know anything about anything.....why is he even speaking ? damn. its sad to see hes the president of anything....let alone the nra. im sure they need a dumb ass as their president .....i feel bad for literacy. put down the guns man, pick up a history book. christ !
totorosan428 4 months ago
lol, micheal moore ruined charleton hestons day, hah.
partykrew666 4 months ago
@DrummerBoy93100
Aah, ok
SolidMike84 4 months ago
@DrummerBoy93100
He died in 2008
SolidMike84 4 months ago
@SolidMike84 so he changed his mind afterall.
CzechRiot 4 months ago
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RadarGuidedVermin 4 months ago
Interesting, I was expecting an anti-gun rally but this movie seems more of a call for a healthier society. I mean he pointed out that Canada has a ton of guns but little gun violence. So it's not just the guns, although well, like Eddie Izzard said "I think the gun helps." But it seems like there's more to it.
In my little country we've had two cases of school shootings now, which makes me wonder about this issue. It's not just America, clearly. Is there something we can do?
Tuuliska 4 months ago
@Tuuliska Also, a friend of mine pointed out yesterday that one of our mutual friends, this young white guy, is a classic example of the type of person who end up going on a killing spree. The scary thing is, while I don't believe he would, I honestly couldn't say "no way!" And I just think about all the young people in my country who have nothing to look forward to, who have no future. Our friend probably won't do anything stupid. I hope. But if not him what about those thousands of others?
Tuuliska 4 months ago
@RadarGuidedVermin to both of you , this video was not made for people to argue, but rather come as one. you both disgust me.
chrisbbbbchris 4 months ago
@chrisbbbbchris So the fat man made another propaganda film, big deal. Only idiots take this crap seriously.
RadarGuidedVermin 4 months ago
What a bigot!
Laynieboo15 4 months ago in playlist Movies: Bowling for Columbine, Outfoxed & Zeitgeist
that was a great movie
pieboy72 4 months ago
haha the first reason he gave was ethnicity!? what a fuckwit. some people just deserve to die.
EsoterikSurgery 1 year ago
that nra president is a fucking prick
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RadarGuidedVermin 4 months ago
@thebearjew825 You do know Moore took advantage of the fact that he had alzheimers and shit?
tumortim666 2 months ago
@tumortim666 He may not have known at the time of filming, but the knowledge was out long before the film was finished editing, and it would have been more ethical to remove this segment, especially since it's been heavily edited (if the time is anything to go by). As someone whose grandmother is suffering from dementia and early Alzheimer's I can tell you that it's very easy to confuse people who have it without meaning to.
PajamaLass 3 weeks ago
@thebearjew825 your a prick look at your username you racist when you are sticking up for the most hated amendment it is hard to speak fluently. you liberal
123skaterbeast 1 month ago
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Watch the first 25 mintues of Micheal Moore Hates America and I bet that will change your mind.
wesleymessly 1 month ago
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oh It's Free on Hulu go give it a try
I did agree with some of Micheal's points. I don't think he hates America
but I don't agree to everything he says.
and yes I own guns and I am white.
No I'm not afraid of black or brown people.
but I am a little raciest aren't we all though?
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FUCK YOU MICHEL MOORE
m6dm90 1 year ago
i just feel numb watching that.
its so sad that people can continue to have guns, and that its glorified.
ODAATaaangie 1 year ago
I think the reason Heston is acting like this is because he has alzheimer's...
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@patsyd80, yes, I do, and in fact that's the point. You believed that because Moore LED YOU to believe that. The movie was largely DESIGNED to make Heston and the NRA, and to a lesser extent the USA, look as bad as possible.
Earlier on, during the Columbine segment, he shows the reactions of the students, ending on one girl who, crying, says, "And he shot the black kid, just because he was black…" — then immediately fades to black, and fades in on Heston saying, "From my cold, dead hands!"
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@RadarGuidedVermin cool story bro, i had better things to do than to stay up arguing with a narrow minded person on the internet
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@RadarGuidedVermin thats some bullshit I looked up your facts and they are just not proven STOP MAKING STUFF UP
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finally he is quiet
vanillaskynet 1 year ago
@vanillaskynet I expected more from you. Frankly, you've been a disappointment.
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@RadarGuidedVermin In 1993, the FBI's Crime in the United States estimated that almost 2 million violent crimes of murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault were reported to the police by citizens. About 582,000 of these reported murders, robberies, and aggravated assaults were committed with firearms. Murder was the crime that most frequently involved firearms; 70% of the 24,526 murders in 1993 were committed with firearms.
vanillaskynet 1 year ago
@vanillaskynet 2002 data, far more current than 1993, place the murder rate at 16,204, and this figure includes non-firearm related incidences. Compare this with the well over a million annual defensive uses of a firearm and Vanilla-idiot's argument is blown out of the water. Try again, loser.
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The simple point being made is criminals wouldn't commit crimes if they didn't have a weapon, if you had a gun wouldn't you be more inclined to commit a crime than not having one at all? guns make it easy for people to go out and commit crimes. I'm not saying without guns there will be no crime, there still will be crimes, but not very high. murder rates will decrease and homicide will decrease.
vanillaskynet 1 year ago
@vanillaskynet, also, one MAJOR aspect of guns-for-defense doesn't show up in any statistics that I know of: how many crimes never happened (or happened to someone else) BECAUSE the would-be criminal found out that the home occupant or other intended victim owned guns?
It would be interesting indeed to see which of these signs in a yard deters the most criminals:
• "Beware of Dog"
• "This Home Protected by ____® Security Systems"
• "Forget the Dog — Beware of OWNER!" (showing gun)
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@vanillaskynet If you hurry, you can catch up to the other liberal lemmings before they reach the cliff.
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R.I.P.
Charlton Heston
Nathanamerican27 1 year ago
@RadarGuidedVermin its the social institutions and social pressures that causes people to commit acts of violence. depending on how you look at it.
Cranium10000 1 year ago
I miss the days when the worst thing that could happen is that you get your ass kicked. Now we have to worry about being shot.
xSHADOWxCHILDx 1 year ago
spagett!
4zafan 1 year ago
We kill each other more then Canada because we are just to scared. We are so scared we kill anyone that we think is going to kill us even if they really dident want to kill us
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@RadarGuidedVermin dumbass, if the criminals couldn't get guns so easily then there would be less violence with guns. period.
KingTekins 1 year ago
@KingTekins Many Central and South American countries, such as Mexico, effectively ban gun ownership, yet they have FAR, FAR more gun violence than the U.S. POOF! There goes your argument. Try making an intelligent hypothesis next time.
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I enjoy the points in this movie but many I don't agree with. A fight to illegalize guns is a fight that truly can't be won. A more effective and logical fight would be a fight against the media exploiting paranoid Americans. And I don't think the girl being shot has anything to do with the ease of legally buying a firearm, it's more about the ease of the boy taking the gun from his uncle's house. If a 1st grader can take a gun from your home and get it to school maybe there's a problem :/
tirekerist 1 year ago
@tirekerist Finally, some who has commented this video who has an educated and balanced view point. I have drawn similar conclusions myself to this documentary - clearly this documentary uncovers some macabre realities within US society...
Chrisw868 1 year ago
@Chrisw868 This is not a "documentary," it is a propaganda film full of falsified facts and absurd conclusions. It was designed so that idiots, like you, would make Moore rich in a capitalistic way. You've been duped.
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@RadarGuidedVermin Well, thats a nice bit of trivia! I didnt know that and it is truely interesting when looking at the economic and industrial situation in Britain between 1939 and 1945 - but it is clearly irrelevant to this debate. Well, I'm going to stop replying to your monumentally ignorant comments now, based on the fact that clearly you seek nothing other than to affirm you misguided and bias views. I hope you enjoy that because it appears to be all you have... Prick.
Chrisw868 1 year ago
@Chrisw868 Wrong again, it's not trivial at all. If Americans didn't have guns, Britain would be speaking German. Try again, dipshit.
RadarGuidedVermin 1 year ago
Conservatives are PRO LIFE
They also support GUN OWNERSHIP
wtf?! doesn't it contradict each other?
-they are pro life, yet guns kill people
-They want more freedom (gun ownership such as) and yet they want to limit the freedom of abortion
wangsta25 1 year ago
So, Charleton Heston is essentially a bigot... :o(
He claims that we have more racial integration than other countries. (not true)
He really has no answer for any of Moore's questions and finally has had enough and walks away. It must be difficult to have to look at yourself in the mirror everyday knowing that after all the blessings you have been given in your life, you turn out to be an extremely shallow character after all...
dzlaty 1 year ago
@dzlaty Charleton Heston marched with Dr. Martin Luther King and fought for the civil liberties of minorities. He has done more for black people then you could ever hope to do. It must be difficult for you to look in the mirror and realize that you're fucking stupid. By the way, his name is spelled "Charlton," dumbass. If you're going to try and insult some one, at least learn how to spell their name correctly. Another idiot DESTROYED.
LemonPeppered 1 year ago 3
he got pwned by moore
EnergyPigeon 1 year ago
That picture of the dead girl thing ruined the entire documentary, because its so obviously staged. There are suddenly 2 cameras from different angles, the voice recording of Moore is different and its all so fake. What a shame :(
likeastarbaby 1 year ago
@likeastarbaby, see my comments on Michael Moore's own upload of the interview portion, uploaded under his very own "mmflint" channel (just 48 hours after Charlton Heston was pronounced dead, ironically enough). There's much, much more wrong with this than just what you pointed out.
And the dead girl's photo was very, very much NOT the only thing staged nor faked nor otherwise deliberately misleading in this documentary.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@COMALiteJ ...I don't care if something else was staged, because this documentary did more good than bad. I don't care if he owned Heston or made him upset, and I don't get why anyone else does, because Heston was some scummy, gun loving cowboy. I hate the whole NRA anyway, the results of gun handling is ultimately the deaths or injury of animals or humans. Sick.
likeastarbaby 1 year ago
@likeastarbaby, we can debate the pros and cons and history of guns, the Second Amendment, and the NRA, but that's not the point here.
Yes, Moore "owned" Heston, in the sense that I could "own" an Olympic gold medalist sprinter in a race despite being over ½ a century old and with bum knees and never having been athletic, if I get to set the rules. My rules would include that I get to use a police pursuit-model Segway® and the gold medalist has to hop on one foot while wearing high heels.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@likeastarbaby, How much of your negative opinion of Heston is from this movie? Did you hate Heston as much as you apparently do BEFORE you saw it or even heard of it? Be honest, now.
Again: you yourself noticed the staging of the girl's photo thing. Extrapolate that: EVERYTHING IN THIS MOVIE — EVERYTHING you saw and heard — was completely, 100% controlled by one man: Michael Moore. NOTHING got in there that he didn't want in there. This is NOT some interview on a TV talk show.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
Charlton Heston is a bastard. Any decent human being would not have shown up immediately after such tragedies and proclaimed the 'right' to own guns. To do that is unspeakably insensitive whether he had the legal right to or not.
I believe the so-called right to own a gun is archaic. In modern society, there needs to be more control and gun ownership should be viewed as a privilege and not a right. FACT: If you have a gun you are more likely to use deadly force, necessary or no.
wander099 1 year ago
@wander099: 'Any decent human being would not have shown up immediately after such tragedies and proclaimed the 'right' to own guns."
True, no decent human being would do so. And guess what? Despite what this documentary says, NEITHER CHARLTON HESTON nor the NRA DID ANY SUCH THING! Not in Littleton (which is where Columbine was — NOT DENVER!!), nor in Flint.
See my other posts on these videos where I go into much more detail on what REALLY happened in both cases.
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RadarGuidedVermin 1 year ago
@novoneiro, see my post to @likeastarbaby.
Listen again to what Heston actually said. He said that we had problems with Civil Rights in the 1960s, and he was right. We did, namely, that Civil Rights were being DENIED to a major portion of our population, just because of the color of their skin. BEFORE IT WAS POPULAR TO DO SO, Heston got off his duff and DID something about it. He worked with MLKjr to break down the Hollywood color barrier, and LED his fellow actors in the March on Washington.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
As for the comment on ethnicities, again, he's saying the simple truth: historically speaking, multiple ethnicities generally don't tend to get along well when forced in close proximity. This is not a RACIAL thing ("ethnicity" ≠ "race"), but a HUMAN thing. Even among the same "race," even among people that white Americans would be hard-pressed to tell apart, different ethnicities clash. Serbs vs. Croats. Hutus vs. Tutsis. Viets vs. Hmong. Arabs vs. Persians vs. Kurds. Etc. etc. etc.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@AtheismDirect, I strongly suspect that RadarGuidedVermin is actually a left-winger gun-grabber anti-American Michael Moore fan who's trying to make people who really do believe as he pretends to look bad.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
Canada isn't as f***** up as the U.S.....
sandythebear 1 year ago
I have to say, even though i really like Michael Moore, he was too aggressive for my taste.
shayaan2354 1 year ago
7 million guns in 10 million homes???????
thrasher729 1 year ago
Americans say they are lucky to be able to own guns. How fuckin' stupid are they. Its lucky to have free health care, to be able to go into a hospital and not pay. What has the world come to if you have to pay to just stay healthy??
T4teens 1 year ago
as my interest in the movie went up the audio sync worsened -_-
MrErikOwens 1 year ago
@MrErikOwens, ZOYA09's "TRIPHAZER" uploads have near-perfect synch, but much worse video quality. Also, ZOYA09 blocks people who point out that his beloved Emperor Moore was 100% underdressed. So far as I know, PaddyDX does not (at least, he hasn't blocked ME yet).
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
same here
brooklyn336611 1 year ago
Fear... greed... proffit
amyanda 1 year ago
LOL he walked off like he was fixin' to get his rifle
MrBelldable 1 year ago
michael moore makes me sick. it is just so easy to point out the negative aspects in any situation. i don't like guns, i don't own a gun, but as soon as you take away my right to own one, you have the power to strip me of my free speech, right of religion (if i choose to follow a religion) and any other freedoms i was born with as an American
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i want to thank padyDX for uploading this and it opend my eyes to alot of things but i have always hated guns.
batsy526 1 year ago
This documentary shocked, enraged, and saddened me. Kudos Michael Moore. And I have also never felt so proud to be Canadian.
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RadarGuidedVermin 1 year ago
That guy is such an asshole.. He showed up after Columbine, and the other shooting incident, yelling how good it is all the Americans have the right to carry weapons. Disgusting.
I can't believe how Americans keep saying the gun law is fine, it's NOT 17 year old kids carry guns with them, how is that ok?!
CaptainP00face 1 year ago
@CaptainP00face: "That guy is such an asshole.. He showed up after Columbine, and the other shooting incident, yelling how good it is all the Americans have the right to carry weapons. Disgusting."
No, he didn't. Not in either case. Read my other posts on the subject, and also go to Michael Moore's own upload of the interview (under his "mmfllint" channel) and read my posts there, which includes time points so you can see exactly how Moore deceived you.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@kl0om amen bro im form norway for the win
557011 1 year ago
the old man couldn't face it
557011 1 year ago
6:53 i want that hat!
MileyRocksz9 1 year ago
Heston may be a dick, but he was amazing in the planet of the apes...
kornfakelies 1 year ago
Moore's Point goes to show that it is not the Guns, but the irresponsible parents and idiotic children.
0akabigtuna0 1 year ago
the thing moore did with the picture of that girl was fake and overdramatic. the rest of the documentary was awesome, but that kinda ruined it for me.
likeastarbaby 1 year ago
Pfft, Heston was such a racist, hypocritical fuck. His argument was shit, which is why he walked out.
likeastarbaby 1 year ago
@likeastarbaby, Heston was racist!? You do know that he was a MAJOR Civil Rights supporter, right? Worked alongside Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to break down Hollywood's color barrier in the 50s and 60s (and yes, they had one, as much as oh-so-liberal Hollywood would love to forget about it and pretend they didn't — remember Amos 'n' Andy? Steppin' Fetchit? The censored black caricature centaur in "Fantasia"? Hollywood.). HE *LED* the actors' component of the March on Washington!
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@COMALiteJ Dude...he said that the reason for the large amount of gun crime was that America has 'more of a mixed ethnicity' than other countries. If thats not racist I don't know what is.
likeastarbaby 1 year ago
@likeastarbaby, for starters, "ethnicites" ≠ "races". The Hutus & Tutsis are the same "race," but different ethnicities. Ditto the Viets & Hmong, Serbs & Croats, Arabs & Persians & Kurds, etc.
All of those groups of ethnicities, in recent years, have hated each other to the point of outright ethnic warfare.
Heston was simply telling a sad truth: historically speaking, different ethnicities tend not to get along in the same territory. This isn't a racial thing. It's an all too human thing.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@COMALiteJ Omg, get a life. You obviously have some sort of sad vendetta against this documentary and its negative portrayal your bum buddy Heston. If you think, for some obscure reason that that crazed gun man was a good guy, thats your opinion. Why have you spent the last two months replying to everyone that comments on this? People like you irritate me anyway. Why are you getting so caught up in semantics? No-one cares.
likeastarbaby 1 year ago
@likeastarbaby, because Heston was NOT a cowboy ("scummy, gun-loving" or otherwise), nor a "crazed gun man." He was a very sane, very good actor and man who fought for Civil Rights in Hollywood BEFORE it was popular to do so (indeed, he made a lot of enemies in Hollywood for that very reason [I suspect that Moore's Oscar for this movie was at least partly because of that — the Motion Picture Academy people should easily have noticed the things I've noticed, them being world-class pros at it]).
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@likeastarbaby, "Why are you getting so caught up in semantics?"
It's not mere semantics. While Moore was very careful never to actually call Heston a racist, he pulled lots of tricks to make Heston (who LED the other actors in the Civil Rights March on Washington!) LOOK like a racist, so much so that YOU FELL FOR IT YOURSELF.
This is LIBEL. What Moore did was LIBEL the name of a great man, and of the NRA. He used all manner of trickery including BALD-FACED LIES, and I can PROVE it.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@rejecteddefect: "[Heston] said he didn't intentionally schedule a pro-gun rally after the little girl was killed, but he scheduled a pro-gun rally after Columbine. Coincidence? Please. He did it on purpose. It was insensitive."
No, he didn't. That CONVENTION was scheduled YEARS in advance, and it was at DENVER. Denver is NOT LITTLETON. Littleton is where Columbine was.
IF the NRA were to hold a rally right after Columbine just to rub their noses in it, they would've held it in LITTLETON.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@COMALiteJ Also, let's not forget, they held their meeting in a building behind closed doors. It's not like they were having some big rally at the funerals of the murdered victims shoving pro-gun messages in everyone's face. There is so much dishonesty and anything from altered half-truths to flat out lies in this movie, Michael Moore is not a credible source.
dunkelfier 1 year ago
@swans1997: "I thought the dead girl photo, was an unfair low blow to Heston."
Oh, it was much, MUCH worse than just that. Guess what? Moore never even actually SHOWED THE PHOTO to Heston! He did NOT ask Heston to look at it WHILE HESTON WAS STILL AROUND AND WITHIN THE SOUND OF HIS VOICE!
He made it LOOK that way through clever editing and staging, but I can PROVE right from this video that that is NOT what ACTUALLY HAPPENED!
Where's the second cameraman? There are TWO CAMERA SHOTS!
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@dn821939, yes, it would indeed be insensitive to hold an NRA meet in Flint right after such an awful gun tragedy — but neither Heston nor the NRA did ANY SUCH THING.
That was NOT — repeat: *NOT* — an NRA rally, nor NRA meeting of any kind.
It was NOT — repeat: *NOT* — held in the immediate aftermath of Kayla's death.
Moore cleverly led the viewers to false conclusions, and bald-faced lied about it being "a big gun rally" — it was nothing of the kind.
It was a Bush/Cheney campaign stop.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@drumheed: "Columbine did not occur in isolation but, rather, was the most serious of a cluster of
seven school shootings with large numbers of victims that occurred in a 19-month
period of time in the late 1990s. What are the motives of these killers?"
Is that a rhetorical question, or do you really want the answer? Moore himself finally figured it out. Too bad he didn't sooner — with his skills, he may have been able to bring attention to bear and prevented the Virginia Tech massacre.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@brucet95: "Moore is good,but the NRA guy should blow his brains out with his gun,don't get mad i hve a point,he hosted a NRA convention at colombine a week or so after the shooting"
No. Read what I just posted to PeterBluth: that convention was planned YEARS in advance, and had a MANDATORY meeting (which Heston spoke at) that COULD NOT BE canceled nor its venue changed BY LAW, without TEN DAYS' WRITTEN NOTICE to ALL NRA members.
They DID cancel EVERYTHING THEY COULD!
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
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ryangamv8 1 year ago
@kateopal, that's because it really IS a Constitutional right in the USA. Second Amendment, part of the Bill of Rights, and thus part of the Constitution: "A well regulated Militia, necessary for the security of a free State, the Right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@COMALiteJ that's a bullshit attitude that lets you not take responsibilities for your actions
kateopal 1 year ago