Katey on Bill C-391 to kill Canada's Gun Registry

[defiantnoise]

You want to immediately toss people in jail for not following a new law? The registry needed to be phased in.

[hardman476]

katey you changed ?

[chance1476]

As far as ignatieff is concerned there is a quote for that. That that do, do those that cannot teach. Where is Ignatieff now.... Teaching. Says it all.

[QCprepper]

Thank god iggy lost his seat, was fired, and harper got a majority and promised to get rid of this registry

[ChromeArty]

@QCprepper I agree. But I guarantee like every other politician, Harper is a liar and won't change a thing.... guaranteed. He lied about a whole bunch o shit last time he was elected. Unfortunately for us, all politicians are power hungry, lying, rich, criminals who could give a shit about all of us.

[CJC1295DAC]

I love you Katie. I've never said that to a woman on youtube before. Ever. You are the absolute bomb! I would love to meet you in person. Wow.

[sonic2277]

Pfff you suck Katie, who said democracy was all about killing people?

[HoboZombie]

I'm from Texas, and it simply blows my mind that peaceful citizens would have to register their firearms so that the government could unilaterally seize them if one day in the future they decide that you don't have the right to own them.

Good luck peaceful Canadians with undoing these ridiculous and unnecessary regulations.

[CrazyCanuck129]

@HoboZombie Thank you sir for knowing that it is the government, not the Canadian people who put this law into power. I have visited Texas, and I love both the land and it's people!

[brianl890]

By political meddling and manipulation, the British people have given up their rights. Why should we as Canadians walk down this path like lemmings. Cameras on every corner and a society unable to defend itself.

What a wonderful concept that is to control freak bureaucracies that just want to legitimize themselves. A utopia for tyrants and thugs.

All we have to do is look at what has happened in Australia and England. Remember the Magna Carta folks. Those across the pond.

[FranzAntonMesmer]

Whoa, Katey's really chubbed up.

[hockeyslade]

Umm, I'm not sure you know this but its not about keeping you safe or about registry really. Its about making law abiding people of Canada sheep like the Jews in Germany. They want ALL your guns so you can be treated like your from China or North Korea. And when that happens, just remember to bow down and kiss the shoe of your beloved queen and be a good slave ok. While us Americans will pull through and save our brothers and sisters from Canada.  Theyll get my gun Barrel first with a bang.

[hockeyslade]

Umm, I'm not sure you know this but its not about keeping you safe or about registry really. Its about making law abiding people of Canada sheep like the Jews in Germany. They want ALL your guns so you can be treated like your from China or North Korea. And when that happens, just remember to bow down and kiss the show of your beloved queen and be a good slave ok. While us Americans will pull through and save our brothers and sisters from Canada. Theyll get my gun Barrel first with a bang.

[avenuePad]

This is great. What I mean is that it is hilariously awful.

The gun registry isn't necessarily supposed to stop crime. That's a false argument. Do you feel like a criminal because you have to register your car, or your dog? The registry doesn't cost billions every year. The initial costs were over-the-top, but it only costs about 60 million per year now.

Canada doesn't have a Second Amendment, and thank god. Some of these comments here are proof we need a registry.

[sixinafour]

@avenuePad

Remember this MORON !

GOVERNMENT,EVEN IN ITS BEST STATE,IS BUT A

NECESSARY EVIL;IN ITS WORST,AN INTOLERABLE ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!

Thomas Paine

[defiantnoise]

@avenuePad It only costs 1-4million per year to maintain. In comparision, harper's G20 party cost about 2 billion.

[axle00]

Katey I think you're awesome and I love what you're doing. I am also a law-abiding gun owner and we all need to stand up for our rights, and repeal these ridiculous laws! The long gun registry is completely useless, and does nothing to stop criminals.

[sixinafour]

THE PRICE OF LIBERTY.....

IS ETERNAL VIGILANCE !!!

[MisterLemonde]

Give up your tea party wet dream, toots.

[icoholic]

The first point of this video is a lie. It doesn't cost billions to run. It cost billions to set up. The money is already spent, so why lie?

No one whines they have to register their cars, why do we allow rednecks to cry about registering a gun?

Idiots.

[SilverstoneZED]

@icoholic How about the lie that the registry would cost 119 million to implement, and it has actually cost 2 billion?

[jmc350]

@icoholic there is a difference in car/gun registry. the biggest being automatic criminal charges. Imagine if you were ever given a speeding/parking ticket, or couldnt provide proof of ownership or insurance. you would be instantly charged criminally, aswell as served with a "prohibition notice"(meaning all your cars are taken away. and your right to buy then in the future) ... does that sound like a fair execution of law under a registry?

[icoholic]

@jmc350 The Liberals do not want first time offenders criminally charged. So it would be identical to registering a car initially.

Both of my firearms and all three of my vehicles are registered, and you know what? It hasn't affected my life one bit.

[jmc350]

@icoholic search "the lying left" the liberals dont seem to care too much on keeping there word or upholding there respect for democracy... so i would'nt count on what they say... the registration is notoriously in accurate with guns been registered to more than one owner and licenses and registrations being inaccuratly executed. it puts law abiding citzens on the firing line..

[defiantnoise]

@jmc350 You really think you'd be allowed to drive home if you were stopped with an unregistered and uninsured car by the police?

[SCROGY]

@defiantnoise Don't even dare to compare guns and cars. The two have little in common.

[jmc350]

@icoholic and when you don't know the facts you make inane and childish comments. like....."idiots" ......"rednecks!"... you know things that have no support in an arguement in anyway meaningful way... (:just my opinion:) i am not necessarily against gun registry.. just its current incarnation. which is soft on criminals and tuff on law abiding citizens. check out this video on the real bad guys "Crown letting go unlawful use of guns, while targeting lawful use"

youtube search that

[icoholic]

@jmc350 thanks for letting me know. Consider me a supporter of your point of view.

[mrryencoke]

When half of the potential Voters in this country dont even show up to the polling booths, let this be a lesson. To all you Firearms Owners, Military Supporters, People sick of being gouged by taxation... etc. Next Federal Election..... PLEASE make an effort to vote! Every bit counts! I doubt its even an issue of the NDP or Liberals even winning their ridings..... its just a matter of they had a better voter turnout at the polls!

[StanMangler]

Iggy is a joke, a bad joke. I say deport him back to the US. Hussein Obama could use a useful idiot like him.

[BladeRunner4Hire]

bravo...well said

[Colinpark]

Good vid, I laugh at the comments saying registering a gun is like registering a car. Hello get your facts right, you can have a car and not register it, try that with a rifle and you are a criminal. If the registry is such a good idea then lets register cars like we do guns, of course everyone born after 1995 can not own a sports car, ever and 4x4 will require a special permit and can only be driven at pre-approved places, plus everyone will have to join a AA club.

[Gillhoolee]

Get your facts straight & stop trying to mislead people. Intially the Program cost Billions but that money will not be 'saved' by sh*tcanning the Program.

If a Computer crossreferences any name with the Registry 11000 times per day, it serves it's function even if no weapon is located.

Registering a Firearm insures accountability- just like an automobile. Neither one prevent crime only aid in investigation & perhaps limit the frequency & scope of the offences.

[warzer0]

@Gillhoolee

The 11,000 requests per day is a bit misleading. ANY police database query makes a lookup to the registry, but NO information is transmitted between the querying officer and the registry database unless the information is expressly called for. They're essentially pinging the registry for connectivity, nothing more.

In truth, officers may use it about 20 times per day across Canada at most.

[Gillhoolee]

With what Harper spent on the G20 you could run the Registry for 25 YEARS,

Keep drinking the Kool Aid.

[viper10011]

hay does anyone know if there taking the gun registration out I cant find out from anyone.

[viper10011]

micheal Ignatief why don't you get a map and look at what country your in ffs we are a nation build on hunting. Hunting the beaver is what thrived the canadian economy when people first came to this country. 1 in 5 canadians own a gun dude your going to never ever get elected because you have allready lost 20 percent of canada's vote with just that one topic.

[stainless1911]

this isnt katey.

[bleedozz]

please marry me

agree 110% !

[cultivator23]

ahhh, u cut your hair. Grow you hair back Kate, it looks much prettier :)

[livewire322]

Live*

[livewire322]

I love in burnaby BC and was wondering if my MP is in favor of bill c-391

[kateysfirearmsfacts]

@livewire322 email me your postal code to katey @ kateysfirearmsfacts . com and I'll figure it out. Your postal code will tell me what riding your in. Katey

[viper10011]

@kateysfirearmsfacts fuck it didnt pass we still got gun registration why why why why why why why why why why why why tell me why why why

[ufloetz]

@viper10011 Simple, too many people vote liberal, NDP, and green and they all want to take them away. why? hmmmm.

[viper10011]

@ufloetz I vote conservative.

[grannman]

We in New Zealand scrapped our lemon of a gun registry back in 1983. You guys need to catch up. Gun registration spends big bucks on monitoring the good people who register their guns. The money could far better spent actually saving lives in the health system or genuine crime fighting.

[FotoZ4FX]

I can only say this: Kate is one of a few intelligent citizens in Canada who have the intestinal fortitude to stand up and speak out against stupid government interventions that effectively disarm ONLY the law abiding.

Deuce... you are part of the problem... you don't even listen.

[TheGear321]

From my cold dead hands is what I have to say to all people against me or any other competent person owning firearms you want them come and take them.

[Deuce044]

@TheGear321 And for the record, I am a gun owner, I oppose registration and I have a serious problem with those who think they can walk all over MY rights because they don't like a certain kind of object.

The Qu'ran says that to murder one person is to murder the world. The same applies to civil rights: to stand for ONE person to lose ONE freedom is to stand for EVERYONE to lose ALL of theirs.

[TheGear321]

@Deuce044 Well I wish you luck in your countries endeavor but you are dealing with something bigger than the both of us. These "politicians" want nothing more than to make money; they care not who they trample over or kill. Crooked cops, gun registries and politicians who would just assume to have you and your entire family killed just for a little money now tell me do you fight for the people of you nation or the federal government? Canada is well on their way to being a police state.

[Nightshift10000]

No offense to any Canadians on here but it's shit like this that really makes Me wish The United States had taken the British Revolutionary War offer to have the Canadian Territories as well as our Land that We occupy today. If that were the case the Canadian Peoples today would have the Constitutional Second Amendement Statutes to defend themselves, especially from bullshit like the Canadian Firearms Registry. Actually that's what Canada needs is a Second Amendment Like America's.

[johnmaylivesv]

@Nightshift10000 You have guns, go get one

[SniperViper1000]

@Nightshift10000 Yeah but we'd have Bush then. THAT'S A BIG NO-NO!

[Nightshift10000]

@SniperViper1000 I can promise You Bush was nothing compared to obama bin laden, but point well taking the Canadian's would have obam hussein to deal with if that had been the case.

[viper10011]

@Nightshift10000 except if obama has his way you won't have one that right anymore that guys as dumb as mikelignatief.

[Nightshift10000]

@viper10011 Hey No Arguement there. Frankly if You ask Me America needs another Revolution (Either By The Ballots Or The Gun), George Washington was definately right when he said "The Time Is Coming When Americans (And Hopefully Canadians) Will Have To Choose To Be Free Men Or Slaves." And so was Thomas Jefferson when He Said "Every Generation Needs A New Revolution."

[ufloetz]

@Nightshift10000 The difference is Americans are Civillians, and in Canada we are Subjects (very little rights) but they still let us vote right, we all see how well that is treeating western Canada.

[Billiamtwa]

@ufloetz Correction; The Yanks are not civilians, they're Citizens, or at least a sizeable portion are.

[FranzAntonMesmer]

@Nightshift10000

That would make you a Republican traitor.

[mwmwmwmwmmdw]

@Nightshift10000

while i agree with you on gun rights i would much rather keep my free healthcare than be come eaten by the u.s

[AmyLeesPetWookiee]

It's always refreshing to see girls, or anyone for that matter who realize that firearm bans harm the good people, while enabling the wicked to do whatever they want.

Thumbs up Katey, take care of yourself.

[MakinUthink]

Plain and simple.........FREEDOM...... I am free to own and do what I want and when I want so lone as it doesn't hurt anyone....... Michael Ignatief, you do not understand the meaning of freedom and should not be allow to represent me or anyone else.

Here is an idea, Let's licence people to be MP and MPP. I don't think you should be allowed to say this or that is good until you can prove to me that your looking out for the interest's of the many.

Hunting and firearms are apart of our history

[Deuce044]

@MakinUthink Damn right. And maybe there should also be consequences for MP's who openly show support to criminals and/or terrorists, such as Mark Holland and Karyganis who actually SPOKE at a memorial for a senior leader of the Tamil Tigers who got smoked in 2007...

[marpoq]

it looks like you're super skinny at the... stomach? idk good stuff though. i hope you canadians beat the firearms registry

[kampuskop]

Katey looks different.

[stainless1911]

the "whats your plan" video is my favorite.

[MaxAntihero11]

dear Katey. please keep up the good work. I have been following this story from before your father was attacked by the government and criminalized. I wish you, and your family all the best in these troubling times, and i sincerely hope that at the cery least, your family is successful in resoring the ownership of the family home from the evil Ontario Government, which abused the "proceeds of crime provisio" to seize it, We all know that law was ONLY suppose to be applied to organized crime.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

Gangs can always find a way to get guns but people who are nuts may lack the connections. In other words gun registry doesin't help with gangs that much (they just pay more) but could prevent school shootings. Of course it is mismanaged but having no registry would lead to greater violent crimes.

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 Tell me, how is a database that's so full of mistakes that the information contained in it isn't even admissible in court going to prevent a mass shooting? How is a slip of paper in a gun owner's range bag going to prevent someone from opening up in some crowded place?

In fact, gun control makes these crimes even worse. All it does is give the maniac a government guarantee that his victims will all be unarmed and defenceless against him.

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 Also, you are confusing licensing with registration. It is with licensing that would-be gun owners go through background checks, including mental health and some very disturbing and intrusive question about their sexual lives that even the MILITARY doesn't ask when issuing a security clearance.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 Your theory that ordinary people can use guns to defend themselves is false. In one second the person is killed, plus most people are untrained. As for the database when has the government ever given out lisenses without keeping track of who got them. You need it to know if someone is supposed to have a gun.

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 What is it that makes cops or soldiers so special that THEY can handle guns for defensive purposes while other people can't? Regular civilians can be trained as well, and most target shooters I know can actually outshoot most of my fellow soldiers. In fact, I have been in the military my whole adult life and I get better training with pistols on my own time with my privately-owned handguns. When I take my uniform off, I'm just "ordinary people" too, you know.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 People who love guns will shoot better than those trained but ordinary people who just buy a gun for protection and never practice won't stand a chance. As for authority figures they need to be competitive with those they are trying to get to obey the law. In Britain so few people own a gun that police have no need to carry them. Soldiers will always have guns though!

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 @zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 Laws are only obeyed by the law-abiding. Criminals will not. As such, the general population of the UK is largely unarmed. And when their guns are not in use, they are subject to storage requirements that are far more stringent than ours. As such, the average gun owner in the UK is kept disarmed even if he does own a gun.

However, the criminals ARE heavily armed, with guns that are ILLEGAL in the UK. How are UNARMED cops supposed to deal with that?

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 Ask United Kingdom, if police are dealing with people who have guns they should have them. Police are also trained to use restraint, this decreases inapropriate use.

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 And look at the US where concealed-carry pistols are widespread. The crime rates where gun control is more severe is through the roof, whereas in other jurisdictions it's actually below the national average.

As for who is supposed to have a gun, once again, is licensing. And I can BORROW a non-restricted firearm without it ever being registered to me. All I need is a copy of the registration slip from the person I'm borrowing it from to remain legal.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 The places where guns are banned are more violent because thats where people are afraid!

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 Well, we can at least agree on one thing: people with guns and no training might as well be unarmed. At least we've go some common ground. However, cops and soldiers, we're just ordinary people too. We just have a skillset that's not the most common. I am just a regular guy.

But your analysis of the requirement for guns is flaws. Look at the mass-shooting in Cumbria. The cops who were first responding were UNARMED. There is no way they could have stopped the shooter.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 " As for authority figures they need to be competitive with those they are trying to get to obey the law" I am quoting myself.

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 And do you know what you call a country where the law-abiding citizens are unarmed and the government has the monopoly on guns? You call it a police state. Look it up.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 Why would you need guns if you have votes?

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 And what is a vote worth when the government decides to forego the next election? Or to do things their way despite the will of the people (the Liberal Party of Canada comes to mind here...)? A vote is a statement of strength, an expression of your will. But by itself, without the means to back it up or to hold the government accountable (good fucking luck in Canada!), it's just words. And words are basically NOTHING without the ability to follow up with DEEDS.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 People could always stop taying taxes and other non violent means, it has been done before.

[SniperViper1000]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 Yeah but what about all of Canada's elderly? They'd get no healthcare so they'd be FUCKED. While Canada gets major declinege in the population.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@SniperViper1000 Do elderly do well in a country full of guns? If elderly do well anywhere in the world it is because of saving/pensions. A poor elderly person with no potential is pretty much out of luck everywhere, in all time periods.

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 And people have a reason to be afraid where gun control measures keep them disarmed!

Why? Because the GOVERNMENT is giving criminals a GUARANTEE that their victims will be unarmed and unable to meet the level of force deployed against them. That means that the criminals KNOW they can operate in a safe environment, where they generally don't have to worry about their victims being more than they can handle.

Gun control is only helping criminals, not public safety.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 My statement said that communities become afraid and vote against people having guns, they have already lost. Fear is powerful. Secrecy also helps criminals, western governments haven't used information to get the innocent in over 50 years. Even knowing the location of people over time can direct police in the right direction.

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 Bullshit. The Registry has been used to seize firearms, without compensation, from their owners many times. In 2003, 585000 guns were seized after the RCMP unilaterally decided to change their status to prohibited. Their owners, who never intended harm to anyone, had to turn in those guns or become criminals. And they had to do so without expecting a single red cent in compensation for the hundreds (thousands?) they had paid for that gun in the first place.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 If your criminalising something then you have to take what was legally there, I am not sure how the RCMP can decide on legality of guns. Why couldin't the owners just sell their guns if they knew the government wanted to take them and why can't they sue the police.

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 You know what? I'm not sure either how the RCMP can do that, but they still do! And why couldn't the owners sell the guns? Who's going to BUY them? Nobody in Canada because all those guns, they're headed to the smelter. And why can't we sue? Because in Canada we have no property rights. The government could leave you naked, penniless and homeless on the curb if they wanted to because you have no RIGHT to your money, your house or even your clothes.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 Sell them to Americans on EBAY or native Americans or black market of course.

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 So to get fair value out of a gun that's to be confiscated with no compensation, you're saying a gun owner who's getting railroaded should become a criminal himself? Do you even consider what you're writing?

[blanckepi]

@Deuce044 - This is why I have long considered Canada to be an actual socialist country. It seems like the government in Canada can just make up or take away whatever rights Canadian citizens have as they go along, and whenever it suits whoever is holding the reins of power at the time.

[SniperViper1000]

@Deuce044 The RCMP doesn't like the law either dude. But there rule is to enforce the law or there spendings and earnings get pulled by the goverment.

[Deuce044]

@SniperViper1000 Well, someone should tell that to the RCMP brass. They're pretty well along the very slippery slope between "we enforce the law" to "we are the law".

[banjer4u]

@Deuce044 This is so true. A friend of mine was hunting on his Metis reserve in northern Alberta. He had borrowed a .22 from a friend on the reserve. Out in the bush 200 miles north of Grande Prarie he met a rookie cop on the road who asked to see the rifle. The cop siezed the rifle because it wasn't registered, and the owner was never compensated. They were hunting FOR FOOD ON THEIR OWN RESERVE 200 miles from the nearest city! This bullshit law has got to go.

[FranzAntonMesmer]

@Deuce044

Yawn, whatever, I think your mom's calling you.

[ChromeArty]

@Deuce044 Well officers, I was bringing them in just now. My tailgate must have become unlatched and the box I was transporting them in must have fallen off the truck!

I guess all those crazy bad guys have them by now! oh no!

I'm gonna go home now, bye ;)

I hate our bullshit laws!!!

[thetruthergirls]

great job. registries do nothing to prevent crime and only serve to pick pockets and make gun confiscation easier.

[hibraisil]

I feel like I've watched you grow up. You always make good videos with good points. I wonder, have you ever noticed that most PRO gun control videos turn off commenting, rating or both? Makes you wonder if they're afraid of an open, honest debate.

[mascar33]

good work

[DesertLaser]

Oh, BTW, Canada ROCKS. I've been to Canada many times and enjoyed each visit.

[DesertLaser]

2nd amendment FTW, and I scored 86 on the Canadian immigration test.

I hope all unfolds for the best for law abiding Canadian firearm owners.

[pmalveda02]

Wow Katey, Your a grown girl now. Where have you been? :)

[Rafflersauce]

You are awesome!

[Nightshift10000]

Wow Katey, You've really grown up.

[LoneWolf228]

move to texas!

[CleanHappyGlock]

Canada sounds like California, that sucks.

[blackquiver]

@CleanHappyGlock .......it is like california

[Gezab]

@CleanHappyGlock

Besides the lack of open carry, Canada actually has better laws than california does

[CleanHappyGlock]

@Gezab don't worry, in Ca we're about to lose open carry.

[stainless1911]

@CleanHappyGlock If youre losing open carry in Kalifornia, its because you havent been fighting hard enough to keep it. Kalifornisa problem with open carry is because of the unloaded requirement, no one wants to carry an unloaded firearm.

[haha48]

@Gezab just carry a rifle around... you could get away with it... but not a restricted rifle.. that should be the protest gun owners just walking around with a gun on there back :P

[Brantoc]

It's more important, to Mr Ignatiaf, to do whatever you can to prevent as many people as possible from owning firearms. In the USA we have people like this here, fortunately we have a right in our constitution to own firearms. Arizona, has what is called "Constitutional Carry" law, which goes by the words in the constitution "The right of the people to keep AND BEAR arms shall not be infringed. Possible Texas, and Oklahoma are looking at that type of law.

It does articulate KEEP and BEAR.

[blackquiver]

@Brantoc ...here its not a right..its a perivlage....but we r strong and we will fight

[ECTBWHO]

So true

[Bauholzwolf]

It's too bad that even the most diehard believers of gun rights in Canada will still just sit on their asses and bitch about it in private forums, gun stores, and other venues outside of the public eye. Canadians aren't motivated. Taking freedoms from Canadians is like taking candy from a baby.

[blackquiver]

good vid..form a canadain

[ammosmith]

Thumbs up!

[Deuce044]

Katey, as an addition to "hunters and target shooters being much easier to catch", maybe you might want to add that unlike real criminals, the law-abiding gun owners don't open fire on cops.

And unlike criminals, law-abiding gun owners DO have something to lose and to fear from the courts and therefore we're that much more likely to obey the law...

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 In the United States though legal gun owners sell guns to gangs so they can be a problem as well.

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 That's called a straw-man purchase. And that is hardly legal. All it means is that the original buyer has managed not to get caught committing any criminal offences, which means he can still legally buy guns in most States.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 So your system relies on police catching every criminal on his first act and getting every gang member wanabee to follow the law. Good Luck!

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 That's not my system. That's the US system where being convicted of a felony crime disqualifies you from legally owning a gun for life. In our system, because of the hoops that legal gun owners have to jump through and the background checks and the like, the people who actually do jump through those hoops and are so checked and vetted aren't the ones who are inclined to committing crimes or becoming straw-man purchasers.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 If you restict who can buy a gun and keep track of those that do what you may find is one person who buys dozens of guns while other buy a few. Using this analisis you know who to look at for straw man purchases, this is how you detect crime.

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 However, unless my collection is mysteriously reported stolen or lost shortly thereafter, that "indication" was just a false hit, an aberration, a one-of. One element NEVER constitutes evidence by itself, let alone proof.

Information and indications in context, that's evidence. Multiple pieces of evidence, supported by facts, that can be used to constitute proof. A guy who buys 50 guns and then they all "get lost", now that would warrant the cops asking a few questions.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 Your right that's how analitics works it can't stop all but limit impact of those who use the system. Of course if guns and reported stolen right after cops investigate that doesin't help the persons case!

[JDGWRedneck]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 I trying to fathom where all your expertise on this subject manner comes from. My guess is nowhere. Try reading some information that comes from research that is not biased. Start with "More guns, Less Crime" by John Lott and go from there.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@JDGWRedneck Nobody has time for sources just look at the world around you and try to explain. Even if you get one wrong in ten you have 8 more correct then those who research (they don't have time).

[JDGWRedneck]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 Oh, I see, you prefer to remain ignorant of facts and just blurt whatever gibberish comes to mind. Well, you're certainly within your rights to do that. You're in good company with most of the other left wing types you seem to agree with.  Easily led and ignorant. Please don't pretend anything you say is your own educated opinion though. Attribute it to regurgitating whatever you see or hear on TV or wherever you get your information. Thanks.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@JDGWRedneck Well I had some ideas and you did as well. You have decided not to listen to take mine seriosly because I don't spend time in the area and don't have sources etc. You should realise that is elitist, nobody is brain deficent but everyone is time deficent. Gun owners dominate the debate because the majority are not as interested. The few are trying to get their way again! Where are your facts and where is my gibberish.

[JDGWRedneck]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 "Time deficient" is an excuse. Everybody has the right to an opinion. No one has the right to be wrong about facts. This is not "elitist", it's common sense. If you don't have the "time" to seek out facts about a topic, don't be so quick to offer an opinion on it. Whatever it is. You seem to have the time to spend on here. It's not about "getting anybody's way" it's about facts pure and simple. No one has the right to infringe another's freedom.

[Deuce044]

@JDGWRedneck A common trend with anti-anything folks is that they have absolutely no problems with people's rights and freedoms being trampled or stripped from them. So long as it's not their own.

Little do they realize that to stand for ONE person to lose ONE right or freedom is the same as standing for EVERYONE to lose ALL right and ALL freedoms.

[JDGWRedneck]

@Deuce044 Agreed on that. We also have to take into account that some people make points or argue just for the sake of doing so. zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1seems to be one of these. No really intelligent or cogent arguments, just words.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@JDGWRedneck I have made plenty of arguments, if you want word look at the house of commons.

[JDGWRedneck]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 I said "intelligent or cogent arguments", any child can run their mouth. Get some education and life experience and then we can have debate. This has become pointless. Done with the debate as it is only one sided.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@JDGWRedneck If it's one sided than one we are either on the same side or someone has proven the other person wrong. I have stoped this from being one sided!

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 You can't give everyone everything, ever heard of economics. A loophole to fairly help one is used by thousands who take advantage, that's what happens in the tax system. There are plenty of freedoms that need to be stopped like leting a man marry two wives etc.

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 Here is a thought for you. Ever heard of libertarianism? It's a system in which the government does just that: governs. They are administrators, not rulers. Also, in a Libertarian society, the laws are few and simple, and largely aimed at preventing one from harming another. You want to drive 160 km/h? Sure. But if you hit someone, you're going to hang. It puts the emphasis on personal responsibility. I guess that concept can be very scary to the nanny-statists.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 I really do believe in simple laws but here's an issue where your clearly wrong. Many people are overconfident when they drive and drive faster to avoid being rear ended. By the time they hit someone, somebody dies it's too costly. You should note that speeding tickets are rarely given on 401 etc yet people somewhat follow the system anyway.

[SniperViper1000]

@Deuce044 If Canada can live like the honest, true coutnry we liberated the Netherlands SIGN ME THE FUCK UP!

The US also has to get back theri Seperation of Church and STATE back!

Religion SHOULD NEVER HOLD POLITICAL POWER! Look at Iraq, Look at Iran *gasp* LOOK AT BUSH, TEXAS & THE BIBLE BELT!

[stainless1911]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 legal gun owners do not sell their guns to criminals. This is almost too ridiculous to respond to.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@stainless1911 Anytime you are unlikely to get caught and can make money a few people try it.

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 You are wrong about the straw-man purchases. So, I win the jackpot and I decide to legally buy every gun I ever wanted in the span of a week and it totals up, say, to twenty guns. Do you think I should have the cops kicking my door down as a gun runner based on that when I never did anything wrong? Your idea of analysis is flawed. I am a soldier and I work in Intelligence. What you're describing isn't analysis. Large numbers of guns bought are an indicator, not evidence.

[zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1]

@Deuce044 I never said they should break your door down, there are other means. Your in intellegence tell ME what the other strategies used!

[Deuce044]

@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 Well guess what? The odds between my door being kicked down and a civilized conversation with a cop are pretty much even in Ontario.

I can't go into a whole lot of detail, but there is something called link analysis and contact chaining. Basically, you find out who your suspected gun runner talks to, then who those people talk to and so forth. That's generally a good way of finding out if he has any criminal ties and could be one of those straw men. And that's just 1 way.

[TheGear321]

@Deuce044 You know what I have no idea if you are LE or soemhting in the same field but I wouldn't want anyone like yourself to have any form of authority in ANY country. People such as yourself are the kind who don't care what happens to other people as long as YOU come out on top. There are people who stand ready to fight back against people like you treading over ANYBODY is wrong PERIOD.

[Deuce044]

@TheGear321 I am a Canadian soldier. And what I described is one of the most basic investigation techniques there are, which is who your person of interest is talking to and going from there. And one of the reasons I am in the service is because of a desire to SERVE something BIGGER than myself. And civil liberties for everyone, including gun owners, qualify as something bigger.

[luisetb]

Keep the good work. 

[stefanmckinley]

Yay Canada, Glad to see there's good people up North!

[Arelak]

Reminds me too much of here in the USA, ban guns for legal folks and give massive thousand dollar plus handouts to gangs... Who then buy armaments from outside the USA to blow up downtown USA every weekend.

Either kick thumbuphisass their or abolish that law, better yet do both. Best of luck to you Canadians in throwing their asses out.

[specialforces99]

Great Video! Keep up your good work! 

[gunnz23]

Awsome, GREAT JOB. Come on everybody don't sit and wait till it's too late!!!! do it.

Make our voices heard and end these senless and overly restrictive firearms laws.

[inbutnotofit]

So that's how you pronounce Iggy!