im muslim and what this girl is saying is true . but in her case i dont trust this pastor she with . she met his onlline . and im sure he told her to run away. i think he have dirty thoughts in his head about this young girl. and he brainwash her to believe her father will hurt her this man wants her for himself. later we will hear he married her or had sex with her this not the end of this story. she is a beautiful girl and he is a dirty man. and i bet he paid for her bus ticket.
@lagros000 Didn't happen did it? Perverted thinking. 4 women - 3 were beautiful teenage girls, honor killed in Canada by their mother, father & brother - she's not over-reacting. Google Shafia murders. The girls were too western-infidels & all infidels must convert or die. The girls told the authorities & they thought they were overacting & now they're all dead. Shame & honor is all - good or evil is irrelevant to Muslims from these sects. Your attitude is why these young women are dead.
She just wanted attention many Muslims and Christians marry muslims won't kill there children if they convert I'm Christian and I luv Islamics there good people there people of the book we just need piece!
That Stupid girl! piece of shit ! Muslims loves Christians .. Most .. Killing Christians is not allowed in Islam . We marry Christians and Jews .. That stupid piece of shit knows nothing about beauty of real Islam . 70% of fake Muslims knows nothing about islam. Dame these people they make Muslims like dogs
@OMGitsnatalieNnicole 4 women, including 3 beautiful teenage girls, were honor killed in Canada by their mother, father & brother - she's not over-reacting. Google Shafia murders. The girls were too western-infidels & all infidels must convert or die. The girls told the authorities & they thought they were overacting & now they're all dead. Shame & honor is all - good or evil is irrelevant to Muslims from these sects. Your attitude is why these young women are dead.
Lord Jesus, the one true living God, we call on you to intervene and protect your servants that are in the land dominated by this sinister belief system that wants to harm all your servants everywhere. Protect them and give the means to get away from their Islamic/Muslim persecutors. Open the eyes of the world leaders to see Islamic/Muslim belief system for what it is oh God. Help us oh Jesus to over come this tool of satan. In your blessed name we pray, all glory and honour to Jesus.
this poor girl was brainwashed by christians to lie, her parents and another male relative (brother i think) was interviewed and say they never wanted to kill her and love her , muslim or not!
these cheap headed christians just going to make a drama scene against islam, in the years of lack of conversion of other religion to christian they find and tought a good idea of preventing people to revert to islam and that is what they are doing from 9/11 they do blasphamous of islam culture and scripture and we wont asume it as a truth because it is a drama, to make people hatred about islam sham on you !!!!
@khanzakhail we don't need to "make people hatred about Islam." It does a perfectly good job on its own. It's a bullshit ideology based on delusion and illogic. The only thing I agree with you is that the Christians are using this as a media stunt against Islam, but that's nothing new. All religions is a disease that needs to be purged if we have any hope of maintaining a stable future.
And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers (QS. ALI IMRON 3, verse 85)
This is what she gets for lying so much about her parents. Her parents are so innocent, she called her parents extremist, abuser(which they never did) ...etc. She wants to stay away from parents and have boyfriends. thats all, but guess what she is Diagnosed With UTERINE CANCER. She is not ok mentally and physically. also she wants to be a prophet according to her personal writings. here watch(about prophet): watch?v=IRh7qplSfEE
One can get the death penalty for converting a muslim to Christianity and the same holds true for one who leaves that false religion of darkness and gravitates towards the light. The only true liars are the ones who propagate the religion of islam. I only use capital letters for true religions like Christianity and Judaism.
@RapMasterCid Yeah right! I actually said that because I know the media is full of dog crap, she is a liar and as soon as she cried wolf the media was all over it. Because off course Muslims are terrorist. We all know this......But there soon will be a big shocker when people ordinary U.S.citizens are put on a terrorist list in the future because of so and so......wait and see. nice assumption though.
@azbilab Or maybe she converted because she found the truth, think about that. " I am the way, the truth and the life, no one gets to the father except through me " John 14:6 No offense, but all i see is hate and war in your religion, some muslims are taught to hate Christians. but when you follow Jesus he gives you free will to choose to follow him, if your a muslim and you convert to Christianity you are hated. just sayin. The only reason it got to media is because she ran away to a pastor
@RapMasterCid I am very aware of Christianity, I have no hatred towards Christians or any other religion, in spite of what you may think you know or believe. I don't get caught up in what the media puts out. Do you realize that the media you like to believe in, is in the process of destroying Christianity. Stop wasting time trying to convince people and take a close look at what's going on with your religion that you love. You have no idea who I am, you assume, but I appreciate your thoughts.
@azbilab Oh, i know that the media destroys, and that's why our music industry is run by satan and he is trying to have war with GOD. but i have to keep telling people about my faith, it's what i enjoy doing.
@RapMasterCid that sounds nice when you say i am the truth and the lite ,, yeah we accept that , but let me say you some truth that every messanger was the truth the way and life , in every revalation there was a mesage we agree that the time of ibraham he was the T , L , and way, the time of adam he was the T, L, and way, and now the time of muhammad is the truth the life and the way,, no one commet to almighty god but trough them but every revalation had a particular period and every message
@RapMasterCid and every message was for a particular group of people , but as the time were coming to end every revalation has the end and even evry prophet has fulfil the prophecy eccept for jesus(peace be upon him) that he was taken alive to the heaven by god , if u qourt me just a single vers aldough i have knowlege of bible i can qourt you thousands of verses in quran where jesus christ by himself said that my people were strayed and remind of everything but u r negelicted by the churchs
Poor girl. They think she was just being dramatic, but if the father didn't kill her, he disobeyed his religion. They talk about her mental issues..... yeah, if i was threatened with death for being an apostate, I would have some anxiety issues, possibly worse than hers.
@spartacandream But even if (on some but not all interpretations) Islam demands death for apostates, it doesn't require FATHERS to do the killing. Only the Bible does that: "If your brother, your mother's son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods' . . . you shall surely kill him" (Deuteronomy 13:6-9). Maybe Rifqa has confused the Qur'an with the Bible.
@spartacandream It's unlikely that she got it from the hadith herself. She doesn't seem like the scholarly type. Undoubtedly, the idea came from her preacher, who was just repeating something he heard about Islam. Where we agree is that she didn't get the idea from her father, who by all accounts (including the child welfare investigators assigned to the case) isn't the fundamentalist monster she makes him out to be. The real child abuse is how she's been made a pawn of Christian zealots.
We don't agree that she didn't get the idea from her father, as I think that it's possible. I didn't know you know her personally though, where did you meet her? Or did you see a video i didn't? As how would you know if she was the scholarly type? Or what about your judgement of the preacher? While I agree that they can be manipulative and try to cast other religions and lack thereof in a negative light, that's not always the case, what if he was just being a kind stranger?
@spartacandream I'm sorry that I misunderstood you. When you said that she got it from a hadith, etc., it sounded like you were dismissing her claim that she heard it from her father. But you ask good questions, which is more than can be said for the many people who unthinkingly believe anything that supports their own prejudices about Islam. Here's one crucial piece of evidence: her accusations were made only after she had spent two weeks with the preacher. That's seems pretty suspicious to me.
What I said is that they need to take a hard look into her claims and the surrounding circumstances, without doing such, I can't really make any claim. It's all good, it can be easy to misunderstand people sometimes. Its good you can admit that!
Though don't assume that its prejudice against islam. As even people who dislike Islam arent prejudiced against it. They are against it on its merits which isnt prejudice.
@spartacandream The fact is that this smear campaign against the Bary family and the Islamic community in Ohio is being mounted by Christian fundamentalists and others who espouse an openly anti-Islamic agenda. It's their agenda and not the merits of the case that's driving them. Those have taken a good hard look at the evidence—such as the child welfare authorities in Florida and Ohio—have found no merit to Rifqa's accusations. To an unbiased observer, it sure looks like she's being used.
I will acknowledge that there are christian anti-islamic agendas in the works, but to assume that every case against Islam is just that is wrong. As I pointed out and you continually ignore, there is merit to the claim she made, that Islam says that she is to be killed for being an apostate. That said, the authorities had to look into it, and weren't originally going to.
Let's not forget that the hadith I showed you does say it. I already posted that it did, its islamic/sharia law.
@spartacandream No one is saying that every accusation against Muslims is driven by prejudice and ignorance, only that this one is. As for your claim that her accusation has merit because "Islam says that she is to killed for being an apostate," the fact is that Islam (as interpreted by many Muslims) says no such thing. Many Muslims deny that those hadith apply in modern times, just as many Christians wisely ignore Deut. 13:6-9. Do Muslims have no right to interpret their own scriptures?
I already gave you the hadith that says what and where Islam talks about what to do with apostates, its not good to play dumb, especially when its clear how intelligent you are. You're very intelligent. Indeed christians chose to ignore by and large the old testament, but that's mainly because of what jesus said, that he brought the new law (even though he also said he wasn't changing the new one). You have the right to interpret, as does anyone else.
in the hadith, has merit, as it is islamic law as she says. While I don't understand what she's saying about hilal, it's not uncommon when under stress, fear and anxiety to stretch the truth. That's why I said to look into her claim. Though what's implied in looking into her claim, is to not dismiss her claim, but don't assume she's right and that her father is going to kill her. Aside from what it seems like you are thinking I'm saying. I'm just saying to take a hard look .
@spartacandream Good grief! How many times do I have to tell you this? (1) Hadith is not the same thing as law. It is one source of law. (2) Not all scholars believe that the hadith in question require killing all living apostates. (3) Even if it did, the sentence would have to be carried out by a legitimate authority, not by her father. Her claims have no merit.
To actually be able to understand what is going on, and what should be done. And not to assume either way. If you don't disagree with me on that, then okay we don't disagree. but I don't get what else we are disagreeing on.
@spartacandream A common misconception among non-Muslims is that the hadith and Qur'an alone constitute the Sharia or "Islamic law." In fact, they are only two sources of Sharia, along with community consensus, the public good, and canonical forms of reasoning. To make claims about Sharia, you need to quote a respected Muslim jurist, not just uninterpreted hadith. Moreover, not all jurists and schools of law are in agreement, so any blanket statement about what "Islam says" is very problematic.
Misconception or not, it's still in the hadith as a law under sharia law, is it not? And I'd love to know what if any muslim jurists (why you need one to interpret a plain and clear passage I don't know) would say otherwise? It says what it says. You can offer an alternative from a "respected muslim jurist", but I'll find one that sees the verse for what it is, and just read the verse for what it says of al-bakhari.
@spartacandream No, as I explained, hadith are only one source that jurists consult when making rulings. A single, out of context hadith is not law. The way moderate jurists interpret the hadith in question is to say that the death penalty applies only in cases of treason or only during the life of the Prophet, since apostasy at that time really meant taking the side of the military foes of the Muslims. Is that's the "correct" interpretation? As non-Muslims, it's not really our business to say.
What is the proper context? If I took the hadith out of context, what is the proper context of it? Not just because I didn't take it out of context, but because if I did, I want to know because I don't want to make the same error.
As for it only applying in Muhammad's lifetime or that it refers to treason is just wrong. It's obviously not about treason, that isn't even worth suggesting for obvious reasons. And it's obvious how sharia law was meant to be viewed, as the current law.
@spartacandream All I can do is repeat what I've already said, that some take the context to be the war between the Muslims and the Meccans, a setting in which apostasy would in fact be tantamount to treason. As for your claim that that's obviously not how "sharia law was meant to be viewed," all I can do is remind you that hadith is not Sharia. And "meant" by whom? Who's the authority here? You? Are you a Muslim legal scholar? When did you get the right to determine what's lawful for Muslims?
Yeah it was during a time of war in the first quote of the hadith, but not in the second it wasn't. Look closer. The context is obvious. Like I said. Muhammad, you know as well as I do, that he believed that once you were in Islam, you had no more excuses, and that is the context. So if you leave islam, you are without excuse, that is the context. And since you became an apostate, after no longer being in "ignorance" but in In Islam, the prophet says (I know this because the prior
The prior verse confirms it, as well as what follows from the Quran. There could be no mistake as to the context. Yet you have yet to offer another context. Though I will continue. It's sharia by Muhammad, the guy who narrated was Ikrima in Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57
I encourage anyone who reads and wishes to respond to read for yourselves.
@spartacandream I'm not the one to whom you need to make these arguments. If you really believe that many medieval and modern Muslim jurists were wrong to believe that Sharia does not require the death penalty for apostates, then take it up with them. Perhaps you can also help them understand why, according to other hadith, Muhammad himself sometimes let apostates go in peace. I'm sure they'll appreciate your insights.
And you know that as well as I do, so don't play dumb. As it's the perfect law of which Allah sent to the messenger, who is supposed to be a role model for all mankind. Sharia is seen as the perfect law. Don't play jurists for a new interpretation or a pretend one. As I'm just not willing to buy what people say. Whether they agree with me, are on my side, or not, it has nothing to do with Islam, that's just the way I am.
@spartacandream No, iMuslims do not claim that Sharia wasn't sent in its present form to the Prophet. First of all, there are several schools of law, which differ with each other on a number of points. Did God send all of them to the Prophet at the same time? Of course not. They evolved over time out of differing interpretations and applications of what was believed to be God's will as discerned in the Qur'an and hadith. There is no single, universally accepted codification of Sharia.
You keep creating strawmen and knocking them down, I never made a mention as to how sharia was sent to Muhammad and I never said they were all unified, though I did ask for a differing view if you had one, which implied I already knew that. Though at least you seem to accept that it is a view of sharia law now, a big leap from earlier. I'm done discussing this with you if you refuse to be honest. You don't have to lie to defend Islam, especially when Islam isn't on trial,
@spartacandream Concerning Sharia, you said it is "the perfect law of which Allah sent to the messenger," so I'm not creating a strawman when I point out that you're wrong. And I'm not lying about anything, nor am I trying to "defend" Islam. I'm only pointing out your errors.
The issue isn't whether or not its universally accepted as sharia law, as this isn't about Islam as much as its about the fact that like she said, one of Islam's laws state, whether universally accepted or not, to kill the apostates. As I said, I don't want the courts to assume anything either way, just look into the matter, like they do in every other case that comes before them. See whats the truth and act accordingly, do you disagree with that stance? As thats my only arguement
@spartacandream You say that "one of Islam's laws state . . . to kill the apostates." Would you also say that "one of Islam's laws state . . . to let apostates live," since that's the policy of many or most Muslims? And, of course, we could ascribe both "laws" to Christians and Jews as well. Perfectly true statements, but not in the least informative. However, regardless of the religion, authorities must investigate claims of abuse. In Rifqa's case, they found no supporting evidence.
@fritferret You want to paint this as a conspiracy against Islam, when in reality, it's less to do with Islam than it is to do with a law written in a hadith, that has this girl scared out of her wits, regardless of whether or not her father or even her mosque even believes in the law or not. If not or if so, her fears are justified by the fact that it's in the hadith, I showed it to you twice now. However, that doesn't mean her life is under threat, it just means there is a reasonable fear
@spartacandream No, it's a conspiracy against Islam. The reason this girl is scared out of her wits is because of the fears that these Christian fundamentalists have instilled in her. And, once again, isolated hadith are not the same thing as law. How many times does that need to be explained to you? It's like talking to a wall.
@spartacandream Subjectively, she may feel that her fears are justified, but that's not the same thing as saying that they actually are justified by what she may or may not have read in the hadith. But you seem to be missing the point. Who was it that convinced her that she was in danger? It was the Christians. And why did they do that? To use her as a pawn in their campaign against Islam. You may disagree, but can you offer a better explanation that's consistent with all the known facts?
@fritferret Like with a child afraid of monsters in his closet, which is a reasonable fear based on instinct, there may not be a monster in there, but if not, showing the child that and not just being dismissive will help the child build, as well as confirm that there isnt a monster in his closet. But of somehow there was a monster in there, and it came after your child, you'd feel pretty bad you didnt look into his claim, though rediculous sounding. Except hers isnt rediculous, but based
@fritferret on the hadith. So a court looking into it will either find no reason to worry or a reason to be concerned. Either way, I'm for them coming to the just decision, which is whatever is best for Rifqah's safety. If there is no threat, then that means back to her parents. If there is, that means in child protective services unfortunately.
@spartacandream Assuming Rifqa even knows of those hadith, it's doubtful that she read them before she fell into the hands of those Christian fundamentalists. Her fears would be reasonable if there was anything in her home to suggest that her father was a murderous monster. But two separated investigations have arrived at the same conclusion: there's nothing to her accusations. Where then did she acquire her unreasonable fears? From Christian fundamentalists who are using her as their pawn.
@fritferret unreasonable fears? i know for a fact that yall muslims practice these killings more often than wat ppl say. from the hadith and quran there have laws about killing the non muslims and especially the 1s who converted to other religions just becuz ppl dont agree with your ideas doesn't mean they should be put to death but obviously you ppl disagree and that's a shame it really is
@spartacandream But let’s not lose sight of the issue. Do a couple hadith make it reasonable for Rifqa to accuse her father of wanting to murder her? No, since, as I’ve already explained, Muslims don’t look directly to hadith for guidance, but to the Sharia, which is the product of long traditions of legal reasoning that take many factors into account. By the way, how much do you know about Islam? Have you had a university class? Read any scholarly books? What’s the source of your information?
I understand that about sharia, though you miss the point that muslims, all muslims, do look at the hadiths, at least in part, for guidance. Or you're just trying to play dumb about the fact, which is both common and useless, and it only turns up in the debate everytime it is done.
Let's not change the subject, but yeah I've done alot of reading on it, mostly from islamic sources, though one wasn't from one. the site was religionofpeace. While right, the site is hypocritical i know
@spartacandream I don;t doubt that you've done some reading, but I have to wonder how complete your education is since you don't really seem to understand the complex relationship between the hadith, legal reasoning, and the Sharia. You also seem ignorant of the existence of competing schools of Islamic jurisprudence. But I applaud you for at least making an effort to educate yourself. That puts you head and shoulders above most people whose opinions are woefully ignorant. Don't stop learning.
Get off your high horse, I never once made the claims you're making up, they're all strawmen. You may be intelligent, but don't let that get to your head.
@spartacandream I think "strawman" must be your favorite word. It sure seems like it. But if I'm setting up strawmen and knocking them down, it's not on purpose. I'm certainly not trying to saddle you with views that you don't really hold. Maybe I just don't get what you're saying. I sure get the feeling sometimes that you don't understand a word I've been saying to you. *Sigh.*
I can't find your comment, but I didn't make a claim as to whether or not that hadith should be accepted as law. All I said was that it is viewed by many muslims as such, enough so that its implemented as state law in many islamic countries. And that the court should look into the matter. I'm done discussing this with you, as you're clearly just playing games, and want to turn this into a conspiracy against Islam
@spartacandream It sure seemed like you were arguing that many Muslim jurists simply don't understand their own law when they claim that it doesn't require putting apostates to death. What a relief to hear that you weren't!
I'm not going to look for the comment, i'll just quickly answer it. Her fears are justified not by whether or not its law. She read the hadith, and whether or not its law, thinks it is law. As an apostate, as a result she is afraid. It's a reasonable fear if you are afraid you're going to be killed, regardless of whether or not you are going to be, or whether or not you get the info right. Though if she is wrong, well she'll be corrected and will breathe a sigh of relief.
This kind of judgment and lack of analysis of anything but the surface is what originally put her in danger by them wanting to send her directly to her father. They need to look into things. He may want to disobey Islam and not kill his apostate daughter, that may be the case, but they should look into that and not make groundless assumptions. And Muslims can be every bit as manipulative as christians, as well as every bit of honest and dishonest.
@spartacandream Look at the history of the case and you'll see that child welfare authorities in both Florida and Ohio have investigated and found no substance to her charges. But there's a more basic misunderstanding: Unlike the Bible (Deut 13:6-9), Islam doesn't require FATHERS to kill apostate daughters. Mr. Bary wouldn't be disobeying Islam if HE didn't kill Rifqa. Anyway, he is by all accounts a moderate Muslim and they don't believe that Islam requires apostates to be killed at all.
Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Bukhari (84:57) - "[In the words of] Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
That is what his religion says about his daughter (or anyone) being an apostate. Let's not play dumb, which you are no better than a christian doing the same. How does what the Bible says reflect negatively on me? not talking about it
@spartacandream Let's begin with the Bible. You wouldn't automatically believe a child's accusation that her Jewish or Christian father was plotting to kill her just because she could quote Deut. 13:6-9. So why believe Rifqa in the absence of any other evidence? Further, the hadith are unlike the Bible in that they don't require the father to carry out the death sentence himself. So, even if he were a fundamentalist, Mr. Bary wouldn't necessarily be disobeying Islam if he didn't kill Rifqa.
No, the Bible is irrelevant. We know its in the Bible, but that doesn't take away the claim that its in the hadith as I showed you. It doesn't matter who carries it out, the fact that it orders it to be carried out is enough. It doesn't matter who by. Who really cares what the Bible in this instance says?
If the father didn't, yeah, regardless of whether it was him personally who did it or not. It says in the hadith as I showed you, to kill the apostate, stop playing semantics game
@spartacandream Of course, the Bible is relevant, since it points out a major flaw in your reasoning. Jewish and Christian parents typically disregard the Bible's command to kill apostate daughters. What makes you think Muslim fathers are any different? And you're wrong to think that Islam doesn't care who carries out the sentence. Imagine the chaos if anyone with a grudge could accuse someone of apostasy and kill him on the spot. Sharia has never worked this way, as a little research will show.
No, what the Bible says doesn't point out any flaw in my reasoning. And you reply to me just saying what I already said, that the father may disregard his religion to not kill her, but of course that was way back when you said "it doesn't have to be the father". I didn't say they were different, I actually said it was similar, though like with the Bible, there are those that stick to it 100% and do end up killing their children, so you look into such claims and go from there.
@spartacandream Let me explain. You argue that since a command to kill apostates appears in the hadith, we should expect Muslims to follow it. Your tacit assumption is that modern religions follow to the letter all of the commandments of their ancient prophets. But that premise is refuted by the practice of almost all modern Christians and Jews, many of whom no doubt think they're nonetheless sticking to their religion 100%.. That's the flaw in your reasoning.
That isn't my arguement, my arguement says that since her fears are based on that, look into it, and don't make ANY assumptions against ANYONE, not even her father. You either misunderstand me even after I told you my stance, or your are deliberately playing dumb. The second is likely. There is no flaw in my thinking, just strawmen you put up
@spartacandream What you've been saying over and over again is not just that her allegations should be investigated (of course they should) but also that "her fears are reasonable" because of a couple hadith. That's what I'm attacking, not a strawman. Your belief in the reasonableness of her fears would appear to be based on the erroneous assumption that I identified.
@spartacandream Of course she's an apostate, that is, someone who abandons one religion in favor of another. I'm not sure why you even bring that up, since it's not in dispute.
Regardless of who would do the killing, is that not a reasonable reason to fear? If you know that the punishment for apostasy is death, I think so. I never said that her father would, and it doesn't matter who by, it she fears it would happen, and its a reasonable fear given the Hadith.
As I showed you, she didn't get it from the Bible, the Bible is another subject, not this one.
@spartacandream Rifqa says that it's her father who's planning to kill her, and you yourself said that "if the father didn't kill her, he disobeyed his religion." I take it you now admit that you were wrong. Still, you insist she has "a reasonable reason to fear" since "the punishment for apostasy is death." Then why don't Christians kill their apostates, as their Bible commands? Whatever your answer, it's probably the same reason the Islamic community in Ohio has no plans to kill Rifqa.
My saying it was a reasonable fear, is because its based on the fact that her family is muslim, and the hadith's laws are sharia law. Those laws in the hadith say to kill apostates. That's why I said her fear was reasonable. it's possible that no one wanted nor will kill her, but its also possible they might, thats why I said to look into the claim and not to dismiss it.
@spartacandream No, once again, hadith is not law. It is one of several sources of the Sharia, but the hadith itself is not a law book and an isolated hadith is not automatically a law. I'm not sure how many times I need to explain that.
I'm not sure how many times you need to needlessly explain things to me I already know, but I wish you would just get that since I am quoting it to you, that I already have at least some ground knowledge. Obviously there's you more to it than that. Though the law I pointed out IS Sharia law, and if you aren't willing to discuss this honestly, I'm done with this discussion. I said where I stand, the court shouldn't make a ruling until they've looked fully into the matter.
@spartacandream Well, you're wrong. It isn't Sharia law, at least not on every interpretation of Sharia. That's the honest truth. As for court "rulings," an investigation has been conducted by child welfare authorities in both Florida and Ohio. They've turned up nothing that supports Rifqa's allegations. In fact, they've uncovered quite a few holes in her story. I'm not sure what else you want them to do.
She says "my blood is halal." Does she even know what that word means? You'd think that she would if her family was as devoutly Muslim as she claims, but her use of the word makes no sense at all in that context. (Look it up: it's primary use has to do with dietary regulations. Is she saying her father is planning to eat her?) Something's not right here.
@spartacandream Very true. A lot of Christian fundamentalists have no clue what's really in the Bible. I suspect Rifqa's one of them. (Has she read Deut 13:6-9?) But Rifqa's family aren't Muslim fundamentalist: her father attended a Catholic school, his best friend is a Christian, he rarely attends services at the local mosque, and, most telling, he allowed Rifqa to join a cheerleading squad. Rifqa seems to have derived all her "knowledge" of Islam from her Christian fundamentalist handlers.
@litefogg Who cares about the news? She wants to go to heaven right? If her father kills her she'll be in heaven with JEEBUS. OOGHA BOOGAH JEEBUS OOGAH BOOGAH JEEBUS.
My name is Anthony Coleman and I am 18 years old. I really want to become a preacher and start my own church. I was watching your video when you were preaching on the streets and I was wondering if you did that often? and if you did, I was wondering if I could join you in spreading the Good News? God bless you.
Halal means good or permitted, not bad. Please tell me I'm not the only one that caught that. She's clearly lying. Her father sees this as his daughter running away with a grown married man she met on the internet. Try on somebody else's shoes before you start lynching people, please!!!
Well if they kill you, you get to join your precious JEEBUS in heaven as a saint! What are you waiting for?!? Go home, get killed for Christ and you'll be at his heavenly throne before you know it. oogah boogah jeebus oogah boogah jeebus LOL!
@litefogg Religion is a tool the wealthy and powerful have used to keep people like you in line for milennia. When you wake up from believing in fairydust, Santa, and angels, you will then be a grown up. You are going to die one day and that will be that. If you want to be immortal, be a good father.
don't take anything for granted what a moslim says.. they are allowed to lie if it's for the benefit of their religion.. Christians do not lie, nor do they need to lie.
it does not mean kill innocent ppl of other religions living peacefuly in society. The Quran also said in the same chapter if your enemy wants peace during the war make peace with him & take him to a safe place. Now you ppl tell me which person wud even think about doin that- This is wot islam teaches us.
this girl is so bludy fake. you can just see it in her acting and fake none-tears. and If you study the quran yourself ppl it says "treat others how u would like to be treated and live in peace with them"- the kill the unbelivers part is always taken out of its context when it was revealed during a war between the muslims and unbelivers. obviously if some1 who comes to kill u during a war, you would have to kill them in order to defend yourself
More Murder Rape (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD hands it 2 u, KILL every man in town. But keep for yrselves the women, KIDS, livestock ETCr. You enjoy the spoils of yr enemies LORD has given you
So explain to me the Christian martyrs going on around the world
Explain to me why a Muslim thinks martyrdom is blowing himself up while a Christian see's it as not denying his faith even in death
Christian churches being bombed
If Islam is so good then why does it walks around with shit hanging out its own ass? Why dont you speak up against these fascist pigs and wipe your own ass before you preach to others.., why dont you denounce them?
Look, You Obviously Don't Get The Point I'm Trying To Make, There Are A Few Blackships In Every Religion...Lol...The Last Time I Heard Of A Church Being Bombed Was The 16th Street Baptist Church Bombing & That Was By The KKK, So Your Tripping Over Your Own Bullshit...
If Islam Promotes Terrorism & All That Bullshit That You Claim Without Any Logical Understanding, The Explain To Me Why It Is The Fastest Growing Religion In AMERICA & The UNITED KINGDOM?
More Murder Rape (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD hands it 2 u, KILL every man in town. But keep for yrselves the women, KIDS, livestock ETCr. You enjoy the spoils of yr enemies LORD has given you
This is because the Israelites were so easily influenced with pagan gods and idols, God was directing their paths to the land He was giving them, and If the pagans were not killed the chosen ppl would fall into their idol worship.
The only way to get christian convert is to kidnap minors, and teach her how to lie. The pastor made up everything. The father of Rifqa has sent his daughter to sheer leader group wearing short skirtin 2008, what honor killing ?
If I was a parent and my daughter met a "50 yr old hag on the internet " who she only knew for 3 wks n she went missing, I would fucking go crazy. Can you imagine that? If your daughter went missing after meeting a grown man on the web? Is this guy a molester? He is raping the teenage girl? Imagine what the parents r thinking? Any parent, christian, jew, hindu, would freak out if their daughter was taken away by a grown man. Rifqa is not a christian or amuslim, she is a stupid runaway
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.
In 2005, 1,181 women were murdered by an intimate partner.1 That's an average of three women every day. Of all the women murdered in the U.S., about one-third were killed by an intimate partner.2
I dont think anybody here has a right to say anything bad about any religion.The Quran says that we should respect all the religions.. and being honest, i think this girl she just want show herself, she doesnt look like she is really convected of her beliefs, and the news loved couse every body likes to judge islam, is very easy u judge others religion when you don't know how it is.."Words from a muslim girl, who really know what means RESPECT, something that many people here dont have"
Why do men decieve themselves & love lies, why should he admit when he knows it is against American law? But all who pretend not to know the truth decieve themselves & abide in lies & falsehood. Multitudes of lies cannot cover the truth that has already given 100% probability. Everyone knows the truth in their heart & spirit so ur consciences will be your judge even if you don't think that God is. Nice man, but put him on a lie detector & let him deny not saying he said what he daughter says.
As an atheist, I think religion is for head hunters, pedophiles, suicide bombers and slave masters because they all want to abuse us. But, what the girl said early in this clip proved this to be fake. She said her blood was now considered halal. If she was really raised muslim she would have said haram because haram means bad, halal is good or permitted. Loving SCIENCE, I will have to battle you oogah boogah fucking sun worshippers one day, So I study your retatrded fairytale books.
Go do the research, its not fake. There is a huge trail court going on right now in Florida because of it. just search Rifqa Bary cases.
And by your ignorance in you actually thinking Zeitgeist to be reliable, then hey, its obviously you dont care AT ALL for truth.
its sad Atheists like you dont care for truth. You dont seek it out at all. You just convince yourself its impossible, in your mind but hey if god created, he can do anything.
Its true its not a threat teens are being spiritually and physically violently hurt my their own family
Fbarragan14 2 weeks ago
That pastor just got one more bitch :P
vAcatIONALComMentREZ 2 months ago
fake
zubairkhans11 3 months ago
im muslim and what this girl is saying is true . but in her case i dont trust this pastor she with . she met his onlline . and im sure he told her to run away. i think he have dirty thoughts in his head about this young girl. and he brainwash her to believe her father will hurt her this man wants her for himself. later we will hear he married her or had sex with her this not the end of this story. she is a beautiful girl and he is a dirty man. and i bet he paid for her bus ticket.
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@lagros000 Didn't happen did it? Perverted thinking. 4 women - 3 were beautiful teenage girls, honor killed in Canada by their mother, father & brother - she's not over-reacting. Google Shafia murders. The girls were too western-infidels & all infidels must convert or die. The girls told the authorities & they thought they were overacting & now they're all dead. Shame & honor is all - good or evil is irrelevant to Muslims from these sects. Your attitude is why these young women are dead.
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DOES GOD GIVE THEM THE POWER TO KILL IF THEY CONVERT TO ANY OTHER RELIGION????
WHEN YOU KILL FOR RELIGION ISSUES IS AGAINST GOD
NO MAN IN THIS WORLD HAS THE POWER TO KILL JUST FOR CONVERTING TO ANOTHER RELIGION
they are so many religions and each of them they say THIS IS THE ONE
666nightwolf1 7 months ago
yeah thats slightly over acting...this looks proper fake...more faker than pamela anderson.
05yousufm 9 months ago
this is media business and she is acting up, are you serious!! even the stupids knows that she is acting!!!!
TheVamphell 10 months ago
Just another way to make people hate muslims.. There will come a day when the truth comes..
JayJaychook 10 months ago
She just wanted attention many Muslims and Christians marry muslims won't kill there children if they convert I'm Christian and I luv Islamics there good people there people of the book we just need piece!
twalena 10 months ago
That Stupid girl! piece of shit ! Muslims loves Christians .. Most .. Killing Christians is not allowed in Islam . We marry Christians and Jews .. That stupid piece of shit knows nothing about beauty of real Islam . 70% of fake Muslims knows nothing about islam. Dame these people they make Muslims like dogs
Haidarooze 11 months ago
@Haidarooze i agree i have many christian friends ! so do my parents . Christians are very kind but , shes overreacting .
OMGitsnatalieNnicole 8 months ago
@OMGitsnatalieNnicole 4 women, including 3 beautiful teenage girls, were honor killed in Canada by their mother, father & brother - she's not over-reacting. Google Shafia murders. The girls were too western-infidels & all infidels must convert or die. The girls told the authorities & they thought they were overacting & now they're all dead. Shame & honor is all - good or evil is irrelevant to Muslims from these sects. Your attitude is why these young women are dead.
crossedmymind2 3 weeks ago
this STORY IS CRAZY !!! 4 UR INFORMATION THIS GIRL IS GOING HELL ! and we will c !! that !!
curlygurly357 11 months ago
Lord Jesus, the one true living God, we call on you to intervene and protect your servants that are in the land dominated by this sinister belief system that wants to harm all your servants everywhere. Protect them and give the means to get away from their Islamic/Muslim persecutors. Open the eyes of the world leaders to see Islamic/Muslim belief system for what it is oh God. Help us oh Jesus to over come this tool of satan. In your blessed name we pray, all glory and honour to Jesus.
GTCism 1 year ago
Holy fuck this story is bullshit. Chalkj one up for the MEDIA idiots lmao
RamseesTheGreat1 1 year ago
this poor girl was brainwashed by christians to lie, her parents and another male relative (brother i think) was interviewed and say they never wanted to kill her and love her , muslim or not!
trinidadparaminman 1 year ago
well how knew that facebook would save a life.
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lol she said her blood is now halal i think she means her blood is now haram.
09sadia 1 year ago
these cheap headed christians just going to make a drama scene against islam, in the years of lack of conversion of other religion to christian they find and tought a good idea of preventing people to revert to islam and that is what they are doing from 9/11 they do blasphamous of islam culture and scripture and we wont asume it as a truth because it is a drama, to make people hatred about islam sham on you !!!!
khanzakhail 1 year ago
@khanzakhail we don't need to "make people hatred about Islam." It does a perfectly good job on its own. It's a bullshit ideology based on delusion and illogic. The only thing I agree with you is that the Christians are using this as a media stunt against Islam, but that's nothing new. All religions is a disease that needs to be purged if we have any hope of maintaining a stable future.
batmanpronz 1 year ago
Save children from pisslam.
moonshineinsummer1 1 year ago
,,,this is truth...this is just a cheap circus..... ...
2gabitza 1 year ago
A religious war is like children fighting over who has the strongest imaginary friend.
dodgeman4242 1 year ago 2
And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers (QS. ALI IMRON 3, verse 85)
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This is what she gets for lying so much about her parents. Her parents are so innocent, she called her parents extremist, abuser(which they never did) ...etc. She wants to stay away from parents and have boyfriends. thats all, but guess what she is Diagnosed With UTERINE CANCER. She is not ok mentally and physically. also she wants to be a prophet according to her personal writings. here watch(about prophet): watch?v=IRh7qplSfEE
watch cancer: watch?v=6OtYwxwWtP4
TheLoonWatch 1 year ago
One can get the death penalty for converting a muslim to Christianity and the same holds true for one who leaves that false religion of darkness and gravitates towards the light. The only true liars are the ones who propagate the religion of islam. I only use capital letters for true religions like Christianity and Judaism.
pmoyer50 1 year ago
She is a BIG FAT LIAR!!!!
azbilab 1 year ago
@azbilab lol your just saying that because your muslim.
RapMasterCid 1 year ago
@RapMasterCid Yeah right! I actually said that because I know the media is full of dog crap, she is a liar and as soon as she cried wolf the media was all over it. Because off course Muslims are terrorist. We all know this......But there soon will be a big shocker when people ordinary U.S.citizens are put on a terrorist list in the future because of so and so......wait and see. nice assumption though.
azbilab 1 year ago
@azbilab Or maybe she converted because she found the truth, think about that. " I am the way, the truth and the life, no one gets to the father except through me " John 14:6 No offense, but all i see is hate and war in your religion, some muslims are taught to hate Christians. but when you follow Jesus he gives you free will to choose to follow him, if your a muslim and you convert to Christianity you are hated. just sayin. The only reason it got to media is because she ran away to a pastor
RapMasterCid 1 year ago
@RapMasterCid I am very aware of Christianity, I have no hatred towards Christians or any other religion, in spite of what you may think you know or believe. I don't get caught up in what the media puts out. Do you realize that the media you like to believe in, is in the process of destroying Christianity. Stop wasting time trying to convince people and take a close look at what's going on with your religion that you love. You have no idea who I am, you assume, but I appreciate your thoughts.
azbilab 1 year ago
@azbilab Oh, i know that the media destroys, and that's why our music industry is run by satan and he is trying to have war with GOD. but i have to keep telling people about my faith, it's what i enjoy doing.
RapMasterCid 1 year ago
@RapMasterCid Well that's good and I wish you the best.
azbilab 1 year ago
@RapMasterCid that sounds nice when you say i am the truth and the lite ,, yeah we accept that , but let me say you some truth that every messanger was the truth the way and life , in every revalation there was a mesage we agree that the time of ibraham he was the T , L , and way, the time of adam he was the T, L, and way, and now the time of muhammad is the truth the life and the way,, no one commet to almighty god but trough them but every revalation had a particular period and every message
khanzakhail 1 year ago
@RapMasterCid and every message was for a particular group of people , but as the time were coming to end every revalation has the end and even evry prophet has fulfil the prophecy eccept for jesus(peace be upon him) that he was taken alive to the heaven by god , if u qourt me just a single vers aldough i have knowlege of bible i can qourt you thousands of verses in quran where jesus christ by himself said that my people were strayed and remind of everything but u r negelicted by the churchs
khanzakhail 1 year ago
every one has the right to follow what ever religion one like.Period
raazs35 1 year ago
so if the parents killed the daughter ,will they go to heaven or hell?
sudanesgal 1 year ago
this girl turneed to christianity only for the sake of this WORLD...
tajsalman 1 year ago
fake
kasim8t3 1 year ago
Poor girl. They think she was just being dramatic, but if the father didn't kill her, he disobeyed his religion. They talk about her mental issues..... yeah, if i was threatened with death for being an apostate, I would have some anxiety issues, possibly worse than hers.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream But even if (on some but not all interpretations) Islam demands death for apostates, it doesn't require FATHERS to do the killing. Only the Bible does that: "If your brother, your mother's son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods' . . . you shall surely kill him" (Deuteronomy 13:6-9). Maybe Rifqa has confused the Qur'an with the Bible.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
Actually, she either derived it from the hadith, or the christian preacher got it from the hadith, or from someone who got it from a hadith.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream It's unlikely that she got it from the hadith herself. She doesn't seem like the scholarly type. Undoubtedly, the idea came from her preacher, who was just repeating something he heard about Islam. Where we agree is that she didn't get the idea from her father, who by all accounts (including the child welfare investigators assigned to the case) isn't the fundamentalist monster she makes him out to be. The real child abuse is how she's been made a pawn of Christian zealots.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
We don't agree that she didn't get the idea from her father, as I think that it's possible. I didn't know you know her personally though, where did you meet her? Or did you see a video i didn't? As how would you know if she was the scholarly type? Or what about your judgement of the preacher? While I agree that they can be manipulative and try to cast other religions and lack thereof in a negative light, that's not always the case, what if he was just being a kind stranger?
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream I'm sorry that I misunderstood you. When you said that she got it from a hadith, etc., it sounded like you were dismissing her claim that she heard it from her father. But you ask good questions, which is more than can be said for the many people who unthinkingly believe anything that supports their own prejudices about Islam. Here's one crucial piece of evidence: her accusations were made only after she had spent two weeks with the preacher. That's seems pretty suspicious to me.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
What I said is that they need to take a hard look into her claims and the surrounding circumstances, without doing such, I can't really make any claim. It's all good, it can be easy to misunderstand people sometimes. Its good you can admit that!
Though don't assume that its prejudice against islam. As even people who dislike Islam arent prejudiced against it. They are against it on its merits which isnt prejudice.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream The fact is that this smear campaign against the Bary family and the Islamic community in Ohio is being mounted by Christian fundamentalists and others who espouse an openly anti-Islamic agenda. It's their agenda and not the merits of the case that's driving them. Those have taken a good hard look at the evidence—such as the child welfare authorities in Florida and Ohio—have found no merit to Rifqa's accusations. To an unbiased observer, it sure looks like she's being used.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
I will acknowledge that there are christian anti-islamic agendas in the works, but to assume that every case against Islam is just that is wrong. As I pointed out and you continually ignore, there is merit to the claim she made, that Islam says that she is to be killed for being an apostate. That said, the authorities had to look into it, and weren't originally going to.
Let's not forget that the hadith I showed you does say it. I already posted that it did, its islamic/sharia law.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream No one is saying that every accusation against Muslims is driven by prejudice and ignorance, only that this one is. As for your claim that her accusation has merit because "Islam says that she is to killed for being an apostate," the fact is that Islam (as interpreted by many Muslims) says no such thing. Many Muslims deny that those hadith apply in modern times, just as many Christians wisely ignore Deut. 13:6-9. Do Muslims have no right to interpret their own scriptures?
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
I already gave you the hadith that says what and where Islam talks about what to do with apostates, its not good to play dumb, especially when its clear how intelligent you are. You're very intelligent. Indeed christians chose to ignore by and large the old testament, but that's mainly because of what jesus said, that he brought the new law (even though he also said he wasn't changing the new one). You have the right to interpret, as does anyone else.
I said her claim, as based in
spartacandream 1 year ago
@fritferret
in the hadith, has merit, as it is islamic law as she says. While I don't understand what she's saying about hilal, it's not uncommon when under stress, fear and anxiety to stretch the truth. That's why I said to look into her claim. Though what's implied in looking into her claim, is to not dismiss her claim, but don't assume she's right and that her father is going to kill her. Aside from what it seems like you are thinking I'm saying. I'm just saying to take a hard look .
spartacandream 1 year ago
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fritferret 1 year ago
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@spartacandream Good grief! How many times do I have to tell you this? (1) Hadith is not the same thing as law. It is one source of law. (2) Not all scholars believe that the hadith in question require killing all living apostates. (3) Even if it did, the sentence would have to be carried out by a legitimate authority, not by her father. Her claims have no merit.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
To actually be able to understand what is going on, and what should be done. And not to assume either way. If you don't disagree with me on that, then okay we don't disagree. but I don't get what else we are disagreeing on.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream A common misconception among non-Muslims is that the hadith and Qur'an alone constitute the Sharia or "Islamic law." In fact, they are only two sources of Sharia, along with community consensus, the public good, and canonical forms of reasoning. To make claims about Sharia, you need to quote a respected Muslim jurist, not just uninterpreted hadith. Moreover, not all jurists and schools of law are in agreement, so any blanket statement about what "Islam says" is very problematic.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
Misconception or not, it's still in the hadith as a law under sharia law, is it not? And I'd love to know what if any muslim jurists (why you need one to interpret a plain and clear passage I don't know) would say otherwise? It says what it says. You can offer an alternative from a "respected muslim jurist", but I'll find one that sees the verse for what it is, and just read the verse for what it says of al-bakhari.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream No, as I explained, hadith are only one source that jurists consult when making rulings. A single, out of context hadith is not law. The way moderate jurists interpret the hadith in question is to say that the death penalty applies only in cases of treason or only during the life of the Prophet, since apostasy at that time really meant taking the side of the military foes of the Muslims. Is that's the "correct" interpretation? As non-Muslims, it's not really our business to say.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
What is the proper context? If I took the hadith out of context, what is the proper context of it? Not just because I didn't take it out of context, but because if I did, I want to know because I don't want to make the same error.
As for it only applying in Muhammad's lifetime or that it refers to treason is just wrong. It's obviously not about treason, that isn't even worth suggesting for obvious reasons. And it's obvious how sharia law was meant to be viewed, as the current law.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream All I can do is repeat what I've already said, that some take the context to be the war between the Muslims and the Meccans, a setting in which apostasy would in fact be tantamount to treason. As for your claim that that's obviously not how "sharia law was meant to be viewed," all I can do is remind you that hadith is not Sharia. And "meant" by whom? Who's the authority here? You? Are you a Muslim legal scholar? When did you get the right to determine what's lawful for Muslims?
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
Yeah it was during a time of war in the first quote of the hadith, but not in the second it wasn't. Look closer. The context is obvious. Like I said. Muhammad, you know as well as I do, that he believed that once you were in Islam, you had no more excuses, and that is the context. So if you leave islam, you are without excuse, that is the context. And since you became an apostate, after no longer being in "ignorance" but in In Islam, the prophet says (I know this because the prior
spartacandream 1 year ago
@fritferret
The prior verse confirms it, as well as what follows from the Quran. There could be no mistake as to the context. Yet you have yet to offer another context. Though I will continue. It's sharia by Muhammad, the guy who narrated was Ikrima in Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57
I encourage anyone who reads and wishes to respond to read for yourselves.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream I'm not the one to whom you need to make these arguments. If you really believe that many medieval and modern Muslim jurists were wrong to believe that Sharia does not require the death penalty for apostates, then take it up with them. Perhaps you can also help them understand why, according to other hadith, Muhammad himself sometimes let apostates go in peace. I'm sure they'll appreciate your insights.
I don't have a dog in this fight.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
And you know that as well as I do, so don't play dumb. As it's the perfect law of which Allah sent to the messenger, who is supposed to be a role model for all mankind. Sharia is seen as the perfect law. Don't play jurists for a new interpretation or a pretend one. As I'm just not willing to buy what people say. Whether they agree with me, are on my side, or not, it has nothing to do with Islam, that's just the way I am.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream No, iMuslims do not claim that Sharia wasn't sent in its present form to the Prophet. First of all, there are several schools of law, which differ with each other on a number of points. Did God send all of them to the Prophet at the same time? Of course not. They evolved over time out of differing interpretations and applications of what was believed to be God's will as discerned in the Qur'an and hadith. There is no single, universally accepted codification of Sharia.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
You keep creating strawmen and knocking them down, I never made a mention as to how sharia was sent to Muhammad and I never said they were all unified, though I did ask for a differing view if you had one, which implied I already knew that. Though at least you seem to accept that it is a view of sharia law now, a big leap from earlier. I'm done discussing this with you if you refuse to be honest. You don't have to lie to defend Islam, especially when Islam isn't on trial,
spartacandream 1 year ago
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@spartacandream Concerning Sharia, you said it is "the perfect law of which Allah sent to the messenger," so I'm not creating a strawman when I point out that you're wrong. And I'm not lying about anything, nor am I trying to "defend" Islam. I'm only pointing out your errors.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
The issue isn't whether or not its universally accepted as sharia law, as this isn't about Islam as much as its about the fact that like she said, one of Islam's laws state, whether universally accepted or not, to kill the apostates. As I said, I don't want the courts to assume anything either way, just look into the matter, like they do in every other case that comes before them. See whats the truth and act accordingly, do you disagree with that stance? As thats my only arguement
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream You say that "one of Islam's laws state . . . to kill the apostates." Would you also say that "one of Islam's laws state . . . to let apostates live," since that's the policy of many or most Muslims? And, of course, we could ascribe both "laws" to Christians and Jews as well. Perfectly true statements, but not in the least informative. However, regardless of the religion, authorities must investigate claims of abuse. In Rifqa's case, they found no supporting evidence.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret You want to paint this as a conspiracy against Islam, when in reality, it's less to do with Islam than it is to do with a law written in a hadith, that has this girl scared out of her wits, regardless of whether or not her father or even her mosque even believes in the law or not. If not or if so, her fears are justified by the fact that it's in the hadith, I showed it to you twice now. However, that doesn't mean her life is under threat, it just means there is a reasonable fear
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream No, it's a conspiracy against Islam. The reason this girl is scared out of her wits is because of the fears that these Christian fundamentalists have instilled in her. And, once again, isolated hadith are not the same thing as law. How many times does that need to be explained to you? It's like talking to a wall.
fritferret 1 year ago
@spartacandream Subjectively, she may feel that her fears are justified, but that's not the same thing as saying that they actually are justified by what she may or may not have read in the hadith. But you seem to be missing the point. Who was it that convinced her that she was in danger? It was the Christians. And why did they do that? To use her as a pawn in their campaign against Islam. You may disagree, but can you offer a better explanation that's consistent with all the known facts?
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret Like with a child afraid of monsters in his closet, which is a reasonable fear based on instinct, there may not be a monster in there, but if not, showing the child that and not just being dismissive will help the child build, as well as confirm that there isnt a monster in his closet. But of somehow there was a monster in there, and it came after your child, you'd feel pretty bad you didnt look into his claim, though rediculous sounding. Except hers isnt rediculous, but based
spartacandream 1 year ago
@fritferret on the hadith. So a court looking into it will either find no reason to worry or a reason to be concerned. Either way, I'm for them coming to the just decision, which is whatever is best for Rifqah's safety. If there is no threat, then that means back to her parents. If there is, that means in child protective services unfortunately.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream Assuming Rifqa even knows of those hadith, it's doubtful that she read them before she fell into the hands of those Christian fundamentalists. Her fears would be reasonable if there was anything in her home to suggest that her father was a murderous monster. But two separated investigations have arrived at the same conclusion: there's nothing to her accusations. Where then did she acquire her unreasonable fears? From Christian fundamentalists who are using her as their pawn.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret unreasonable fears? i know for a fact that yall muslims practice these killings more often than wat ppl say. from the hadith and quran there have laws about killing the non muslims and especially the 1s who converted to other religions just becuz ppl dont agree with your ideas doesn't mean they should be put to death but obviously you ppl disagree and that's a shame it really is
nazisthebest14579 1 year ago
@fritferret
If you still disagree, on what?
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream But let’s not lose sight of the issue. Do a couple hadith make it reasonable for Rifqa to accuse her father of wanting to murder her? No, since, as I’ve already explained, Muslims don’t look directly to hadith for guidance, but to the Sharia, which is the product of long traditions of legal reasoning that take many factors into account. By the way, how much do you know about Islam? Have you had a university class? Read any scholarly books? What’s the source of your information?
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
I understand that about sharia, though you miss the point that muslims, all muslims, do look at the hadiths, at least in part, for guidance. Or you're just trying to play dumb about the fact, which is both common and useless, and it only turns up in the debate everytime it is done.
Let's not change the subject, but yeah I've done alot of reading on it, mostly from islamic sources, though one wasn't from one. the site was religionofpeace. While right, the site is hypocritical i know
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream I don;t doubt that you've done some reading, but I have to wonder how complete your education is since you don't really seem to understand the complex relationship between the hadith, legal reasoning, and the Sharia. You also seem ignorant of the existence of competing schools of Islamic jurisprudence. But I applaud you for at least making an effort to educate yourself. That puts you head and shoulders above most people whose opinions are woefully ignorant. Don't stop learning.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
Get off your high horse, I never once made the claims you're making up, they're all strawmen. You may be intelligent, but don't let that get to your head.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream I think "strawman" must be your favorite word. It sure seems like it. But if I'm setting up strawmen and knocking them down, it's not on purpose. I'm certainly not trying to saddle you with views that you don't really hold. Maybe I just don't get what you're saying. I sure get the feeling sometimes that you don't understand a word I've been saying to you. *Sigh.*
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
I can't find your comment, but I didn't make a claim as to whether or not that hadith should be accepted as law. All I said was that it is viewed by many muslims as such, enough so that its implemented as state law in many islamic countries. And that the court should look into the matter. I'm done discussing this with you, as you're clearly just playing games, and want to turn this into a conspiracy against Islam
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream It sure seemed like you were arguing that many Muslim jurists simply don't understand their own law when they claim that it doesn't require putting apostates to death. What a relief to hear that you weren't!
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
I'm not going to look for the comment, i'll just quickly answer it. Her fears are justified not by whether or not its law. She read the hadith, and whether or not its law, thinks it is law. As an apostate, as a result she is afraid. It's a reasonable fear if you are afraid you're going to be killed, regardless of whether or not you are going to be, or whether or not you get the info right. Though if she is wrong, well she'll be corrected and will breathe a sigh of relief.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@fritferret
This kind of judgment and lack of analysis of anything but the surface is what originally put her in danger by them wanting to send her directly to her father. They need to look into things. He may want to disobey Islam and not kill his apostate daughter, that may be the case, but they should look into that and not make groundless assumptions. And Muslims can be every bit as manipulative as christians, as well as every bit of honest and dishonest.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream Look at the history of the case and you'll see that child welfare authorities in both Florida and Ohio have investigated and found no substance to her charges. But there's a more basic misunderstanding: Unlike the Bible (Deut 13:6-9), Islam doesn't require FATHERS to kill apostate daughters. Mr. Bary wouldn't be disobeying Islam if HE didn't kill Rifqa. Anyway, he is by all accounts a moderate Muslim and they don't believe that Islam requires apostates to be killed at all.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
O really? Nice lie, but read the hadith:
Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Bukhari (84:57) - "[In the words of] Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
That is what his religion says about his daughter (or anyone) being an apostate. Let's not play dumb, which you are no better than a christian doing the same. How does what the Bible says reflect negatively on me? not talking about it
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream Let's begin with the Bible. You wouldn't automatically believe a child's accusation that her Jewish or Christian father was plotting to kill her just because she could quote Deut. 13:6-9. So why believe Rifqa in the absence of any other evidence? Further, the hadith are unlike the Bible in that they don't require the father to carry out the death sentence himself. So, even if he were a fundamentalist, Mr. Bary wouldn't necessarily be disobeying Islam if he didn't kill Rifqa.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
No, the Bible is irrelevant. We know its in the Bible, but that doesn't take away the claim that its in the hadith as I showed you. It doesn't matter who carries it out, the fact that it orders it to be carried out is enough. It doesn't matter who by. Who really cares what the Bible in this instance says?
If the father didn't, yeah, regardless of whether it was him personally who did it or not. It says in the hadith as I showed you, to kill the apostate, stop playing semantics game
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream Of course, the Bible is relevant, since it points out a major flaw in your reasoning. Jewish and Christian parents typically disregard the Bible's command to kill apostate daughters. What makes you think Muslim fathers are any different? And you're wrong to think that Islam doesn't care who carries out the sentence. Imagine the chaos if anyone with a grudge could accuse someone of apostasy and kill him on the spot. Sharia has never worked this way, as a little research will show.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
No, what the Bible says doesn't point out any flaw in my reasoning. And you reply to me just saying what I already said, that the father may disregard his religion to not kill her, but of course that was way back when you said "it doesn't have to be the father". I didn't say they were different, I actually said it was similar, though like with the Bible, there are those that stick to it 100% and do end up killing their children, so you look into such claims and go from there.
spartacandream 1 year ago
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fritferret 1 year ago
@spartacandream Let me explain. You argue that since a command to kill apostates appears in the hadith, we should expect Muslims to follow it. Your tacit assumption is that modern religions follow to the letter all of the commandments of their ancient prophets. But that premise is refuted by the practice of almost all modern Christians and Jews, many of whom no doubt think they're nonetheless sticking to their religion 100%.. That's the flaw in your reasoning.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
That isn't my arguement, my arguement says that since her fears are based on that, look into it, and don't make ANY assumptions against ANYONE, not even her father. You either misunderstand me even after I told you my stance, or your are deliberately playing dumb. The second is likely. There is no flaw in my thinking, just strawmen you put up
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream What you've been saying over and over again is not just that her allegations should be investigated (of course they should) but also that "her fears are reasonable" because of a couple hadith. That's what I'm attacking, not a strawman. Your belief in the reasonableness of her fears would appear to be based on the erroneous assumption that I identified.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
Indeed you are right, but in the case of Rifqah, there is no doubt she is an apostate.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream Of course she's an apostate, that is, someone who abandons one religion in favor of another. I'm not sure why you even bring that up, since it's not in dispute.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret though I'm trying not to keep going offtrack
spartacandream 1 year ago
@fritferret
Regardless of who would do the killing, is that not a reasonable reason to fear? If you know that the punishment for apostasy is death, I think so. I never said that her father would, and it doesn't matter who by, it she fears it would happen, and its a reasonable fear given the Hadith.
As I showed you, she didn't get it from the Bible, the Bible is another subject, not this one.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream Rifqa says that it's her father who's planning to kill her, and you yourself said that "if the father didn't kill her, he disobeyed his religion." I take it you now admit that you were wrong. Still, you insist she has "a reasonable reason to fear" since "the punishment for apostasy is death." Then why don't Christians kill their apostates, as their Bible commands? Whatever your answer, it's probably the same reason the Islamic community in Ohio has no plans to kill Rifqa.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
My saying it was a reasonable fear, is because its based on the fact that her family is muslim, and the hadith's laws are sharia law. Those laws in the hadith say to kill apostates. That's why I said her fear was reasonable. it's possible that no one wanted nor will kill her, but its also possible they might, thats why I said to look into the claim and not to dismiss it.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream No, once again, hadith is not law. It is one of several sources of the Sharia, but the hadith itself is not a law book and an isolated hadith is not automatically a law. I'm not sure how many times I need to explain that.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret
I'm not sure how many times you need to needlessly explain things to me I already know, but I wish you would just get that since I am quoting it to you, that I already have at least some ground knowledge. Obviously there's you more to it than that. Though the law I pointed out IS Sharia law, and if you aren't willing to discuss this honestly, I'm done with this discussion. I said where I stand, the court shouldn't make a ruling until they've looked fully into the matter.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream Well, you're wrong. It isn't Sharia law, at least not on every interpretation of Sharia. That's the honest truth. As for court "rulings," an investigation has been conducted by child welfare authorities in both Florida and Ohio. They've turned up nothing that supports Rifqa's allegations. In fact, they've uncovered quite a few holes in her story. I'm not sure what else you want them to do.
fritferret 1 year ago
hahahahha rifqa maby church accepted u but hollywood well kick ur butt back to sisrilanka
WISE2BE 1 year ago
She says "my blood is halal." Does she even know what that word means? You'd think that she would if her family was as devoutly Muslim as she claims, but her use of the word makes no sense at all in that context. (Look it up: it's primary use has to do with dietary regulations. Is she saying her father is planning to eat her?) Something's not right here.
fritferret 1 year ago
@fritferret I've already brought this up. These Jeebusites are clueless. I'm an atheist and I knew that.
Bill1275w 1 year ago
@fritferret
Most religious fundamentalists don't know what there religion means when it says stuff. Just saying.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream Very true. A lot of Christian fundamentalists have no clue what's really in the Bible. I suspect Rifqa's one of them. (Has she read Deut 13:6-9?) But Rifqa's family aren't Muslim fundamentalist: her father attended a Catholic school, his best friend is a Christian, he rarely attends services at the local mosque, and, most telling, he allowed Rifqa to join a cheerleading squad. Rifqa seems to have derived all her "knowledge" of Islam from her Christian fundamentalist handlers.
fritferret 1 year ago
When they kill her, the news won't even cover it. It happens often.
litefogg 1 year ago
She'll be in heaven though with jesus right? So she should be running home!
If jesus is so wonderful, why don't you just walk into the polar bear exibit and join him?
Bill1275w 1 year ago
@Bill1275w thes is how far she can go with acting ..........................they well throw the oscar at her face in holly wood :)
WISE2BE 1 year ago
@litefogg Who cares about the news? She wants to go to heaven right? If her father kills her she'll be in heaven with JEEBUS. OOGHA BOOGAH JEEBUS OOGAH BOOGAH JEEBUS.
Bill1275w 1 year ago
@Bill1275w OOGAH BOOGAH
litefogg 1 year ago
Hello,
My name is Anthony Coleman and I am 18 years old. I really want to become a preacher and start my own church. I was watching your video when you were preaching on the streets and I was wondering if you did that often? and if you did, I was wondering if I could join you in spreading the Good News? God bless you.
theseeker2k5 1 year ago
Halal means good or permitted, not bad. Please tell me I'm not the only one that caught that. She's clearly lying. Her father sees this as his daughter running away with a grown married man she met on the internet. Try on somebody else's shoes before you start lynching people, please!!!
Bill1275w 1 year ago
When she turns 18, I would love to have my way with her anally until she sees the light again
merouby 1 year ago
Well if they kill you, you get to join your precious JEEBUS in heaven as a saint! What are you waiting for?!? Go home, get killed for Christ and you'll be at his heavenly throne before you know it. oogah boogah jeebus oogah boogah jeebus LOL!
Bill1275w 1 year ago
@Bill1275w There are over 50 old testament prophesies, about the deity of Jesus. He truly is God's Son.
litefogg 1 year ago
@litefogg Religion is a tool the wealthy and powerful have used to keep people like you in line for milennia. When you wake up from believing in fairydust, Santa, and angels, you will then be a grown up. You are going to die one day and that will be that. If you want to be immortal, be a good father.
Bill1275w 1 year ago
don't take anything for granted what a moslim says.. they are allowed to lie if it's for the benefit of their religion.. Christians do not lie, nor do they need to lie.
Sanosuke18 1 year ago
This is what the muslims do. Convert to islam or die!! Bcuz the muslims god is satan(allah)
jalontube56 1 year ago
it does not mean kill innocent ppl of other religions living peacefuly in society. The Quran also said in the same chapter if your enemy wants peace during the war make peace with him & take him to a safe place. Now you ppl tell me which person wud even think about doin that- This is wot islam teaches us.
786human 1 year ago
this girl is so bludy fake. you can just see it in her acting and fake none-tears. and If you study the quran yourself ppl it says "treat others how u would like to be treated and live in peace with them"- the kill the unbelivers part is always taken out of its context when it was revealed during a war between the muslims and unbelivers. obviously if some1 who comes to kill u during a war, you would have to kill them in order to defend yourself
786human 1 year ago
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DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
truthful091 1 year ago
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More Murder Rape (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD hands it 2 u, KILL every man in town. But keep for yrselves the women, KIDS, livestock ETCr. You enjoy the spoils of yr enemies LORD has given you
truthful091 1 year ago
You see what religion do you, it fucks with you.
hacker4637 2 years ago
If Her Father Threatened To Kill Her Than Why Blame Islam? Blame The Father...
Cause What He Is Doing Is Not Islamic, That's His Asian Culture...
In Islam, If He Would Be Destined For Hell If He Ever Thought To Kill Her....
I Hate How When A Muslim Does Something Bad, You Blame Islam For It, Blame The Guy, Not His Religion...
When A White Person (That says He is Christian) Does Something Evil, Why Don;t You Blame Christianity?
Stop Having Double Standards!
May Peace Be With You..
browntechguys 2 years ago
Because we do not have a SHARIA Law provoking us to kill
Sure you can bring up the old testament but thats not what Jesus preached., we live by the new testament., not as barbaric rapist thugs
Not all Christians are white either mate
mysty0 2 years ago
Our Sharia Law Is Strictly Against Killing/Harming/Causing Any Trouble To Anyone....No Matter What Walk Of Life They Choose To Follow..
As Muslims, We Must Abide By The Laws Of The Land, As Long As They Don't Go Against Our Religion.
Many People Say They Are Christians, But They Don't Know The Basics Of Their Religion, This Is The Case With Some Muslims As Well...
Study Religion Not The The People!
May Peace Be With You...
browntechguys 2 years ago
So explain to me the Christian martyrs going on around the world
Explain to me why a Muslim thinks martyrdom is blowing himself up while a Christian see's it as not denying his faith even in death
Christian churches being bombed
If Islam is so good then why does it walks around with shit hanging out its own ass? Why dont you speak up against these fascist pigs and wipe your own ass before you preach to others.., why dont you denounce them?
mysty0 2 years ago
Look, You Obviously Don't Get The Point I'm Trying To Make, There Are A Few Blackships In Every Religion...Lol...The Last Time I Heard Of A Church Being Bombed Was The 16th Street Baptist Church Bombing & That Was By The KKK, So Your Tripping Over Your Own Bullshit...
If Islam Promotes Terrorism & All That Bullshit That You Claim Without Any Logical Understanding, The Explain To Me Why It Is The Fastest Growing Religion In AMERICA & The UNITED KINGDOM?
browntechguys 2 years ago
no islam says to kill he unbelivers how can it be a peaceful religion
neno5rov 1 year ago
More Murder Rape (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD hands it 2 u, KILL every man in town. But keep for yrselves the women, KIDS, livestock ETCr. You enjoy the spoils of yr enemies LORD has given you
truthful091 2 years ago
This is because the Israelites were so easily influenced with pagan gods and idols, God was directing their paths to the land He was giving them, and If the pagans were not killed the chosen ppl would fall into their idol worship.
MrsElaineee 1 year ago 2
Muslim r true religion god is the greet test
rmne12 2 years ago
This girl is disgusting.
The only way to get christian convert is to kidnap minors, and teach her how to lie. The pastor made up everything. The father of Rifqa has sent his daughter to sheer leader group wearing short skirtin 2008, what honor killing ?
1MoreMuslim 2 years ago
@1MoreMuslim DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
truthful091 2 years ago
Hi.
God demanded that in the old covanent yes, because it would be an example of how Big a sin is.
But in the new covanent by the blood of Jesus, there no more of that, it is only forgivness and love.
So forgett everything about that, that was the old covanent.
What is your point on MARK10:1-12 ?
So nothing wrong here...
Have a wonderful day my friend!
ServentOfTheSon 2 years ago
@ServentOfTheSon ha ha
what an excuse? so god made a mistake and then corrected it? wow.. so is what musa cerantonio says on youtube is true?
truthful091 2 years ago
God did not make a misstake.
But the people of the old covanents time, did not have the spirit of God, so they did have the helper inside of them to follow God.
And they where/are God´s chosen people and God´s people must be holy, so therefor God had to have REALLY strict lines.
But now everything of that is changed, now a person can only belong to God through the blood of Jesus Christ, and then he will get the Helper.
Be humble my friend.
God bless you!
ServentOfTheSon 2 years ago
Almost everything in the Torah about such things is not in the new covanent.
God had tob e stirct beacuse the people was/is rebellious.
That is changed in the new covanent God showed us that Love is the biggest commandment.
So we shall not cut anyones arm of.
Don´t give me things like that, we will only go in circles.
I have told you the truth, from the Bible, from GOD, accept it, or stop writing about..
BECAUSE i have now given you the answere.
ServentOfTheSon 2 years ago
If I was a parent and my daughter met a "50 yr old hag on the internet " who she only knew for 3 wks n she went missing, I would fucking go crazy. Can you imagine that? If your daughter went missing after meeting a grown man on the web? Is this guy a molester? He is raping the teenage girl? Imagine what the parents r thinking? Any parent, christian, jew, hindu, would freak out if their daughter was taken away by a grown man. Rifqa is not a christian or amuslim, she is a stupid runaway
truthful091 2 years ago
@ServentOfTheSon Phil Saviano - 2002 Reuters Report: Catholic Priest Child Sex Abuse Scandal in Boston
truthful091 2 years ago
@ServentOfTheSon MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.
truthful091 2 years ago
are you talking to me? I know all of these references.
1MoreMuslim 2 years ago
@1MoreMuslim MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.
truthful091 2 years ago
In 2005, 1,181 women were murdered by an intimate partner.1 That's an average of three women every day. Of all the women murdered in the U.S., about one-third were killed by an intimate partner.2
MoroccanSword 2 years ago
theres something very fishy about this girl, i don't believe her. and every video of this kid that pastors always squeezing the crap out of her.
BungiMontana 2 years ago
I dont think anybody here has a right to say anything bad about any religion.The Quran says that we should respect all the religions.. and being honest, i think this girl she just want show herself, she doesnt look like she is really convected of her beliefs, and the news loved couse every body likes to judge islam, is very easy u judge others religion when you don't know how it is.."Words from a muslim girl, who really know what means RESPECT, something that many people here dont have"
Mhabyba 2 years ago
Why do men decieve themselves & love lies, why should he admit when he knows it is against American law? But all who pretend not to know the truth decieve themselves & abide in lies & falsehood. Multitudes of lies cannot cover the truth that has already given 100% probability. Everyone knows the truth in their heart & spirit so ur consciences will be your judge even if you don't think that God is. Nice man, but put him on a lie detector & let him deny not saying he said what he daughter says.
PerfectLivingWisdom 2 years ago
this is true people its sad too
MrFunkywunky 2 years ago 2
I AGREE .. THE CHURCH PAID HER
laindia23 2 years ago
And how would you know??
Don't you think these things are happening?
senja71 2 years ago
Agreed.. they paid her
q8sauod 2 years ago
I BET YOU ANYTHING THIS IS A HINDU ACTRESS
bullshit
fake ass story
how much do they pay these ppl
JamaicanCutie18 2 years ago
definately fake
Bill1275w 2 years ago
As an atheist, I think religion is for head hunters, pedophiles, suicide bombers and slave masters because they all want to abuse us. But, what the girl said early in this clip proved this to be fake. She said her blood was now considered halal. If she was really raised muslim she would have said haram because haram means bad, halal is good or permitted. Loving SCIENCE, I will have to battle you oogah boogah fucking sun worshippers one day, So I study your retatrded fairytale books.
Bill1275w 2 years ago
Go do the research, its not fake. There is a huge trail court going on right now in Florida because of it. just search Rifqa Bary cases.
And by your ignorance in you actually thinking Zeitgeist to be reliable, then hey, its obviously you dont care AT ALL for truth.
its sad Atheists like you dont care for truth. You dont seek it out at all. You just convince yourself its impossible, in your mind but hey if god created, he can do anything.
xchampx 2 years ago 2
I agree. She just got a boyfriend....and sweeeeeeeeet...... (Temporary, of course).
duplosrce 2 years ago