My trip to Ground Zero (2)

[terrymanning1]

WTC7 didn't collapse at free fall speed. It also didn't collapse straight down into it's own footprint. If it had the north face of the building wouldn't have been on top of the debris pile, nor would it have caused massive damage to the v.erizon building next to it.

The 9/11CR did not deal with collateral damage.

[Bluetooht]

"I can't verify these facts"

Priceless comment.

[LIBREPUB]

The towers collapsed because the fire fighters chopped it down from the inside with fire axes after being programmed to do so by cia operatives at Area 51. Shhh, but don't tell anyone.. Truther tools

[LordDavidVader]

@LIBREPUB and sadly there is about as much evidence to support that as all the other crazy truther theories.

[Obelisk2290]

These trufers will never accept the truth all they do is repeat free fall speed like a broken record

[leftysergeant]

This twoofer is utterly impervious to reality. Note the blank looks when he is told why WTC 7 and the Windsor Tower are not related.

[lestliness]

THe guy said WTC 7 fell straight down into it's own footprint. His reply was "isn't that the direction of gravity?" My questions are A: If there is damage on one side of the building wouldn't it fall more like a tree? And just because they say a building is unstable.. does it really mean the whole damn thing is coming down? You can say a structure is unstable and a section of it falls . There you go, it was unstable. Oh and the troofers are kicking your ass in these posts.

[leftysergeant]

Get a clue. When the central supports failed, they were still attached to the south face. The south face fell, as a result, toward the north wall, which then started folding over the top.

There was no reason from the north wall to go anywhere else.

You twoofers only think you're winning the arguments when you pull irrelevant crap out of nowhere. Learn some science.

[lestliness]

central supports are on the south face. okay, lets call them the south face supports then and i'm not a troofer.. but they are still kicking your ass.

[KnowledgeIsPowr]

lestliness, have you ever seen a gravity driven collapse cause a building to "fall over?"

It's not likely for someone with no sense of the damage, no (or very limited) knowledge of structural building design, design of WTC7 to have a strong argument for CD of WTC7.

Firefighters know a heck of a lot more than you and I, lost many brothers, but you don't seem them chanting inside jerb.

Wonder why.

[KimmoKuopio]

OMG!

Truthers live in fantasy world.

[lestliness]

Really? Okay then maybe a guy who has a history of molesting children should be allowed to teach your kids. Those old crimes are not relevant right? The math is simple here, the CIA is al qaeda, They used them to defeat the russians, they used them for 9/11. The CIA has intervened in democratically elected governments all over the world.. especially south american countries and ours as well... So 9/11 doesn't have to be your mantra, but you should wake up to the bullshit.

[CHF2]

Al Qaeda didn't exist until 1994, dude. Many were former Mujahedin but they were not AQ in the 1980s.

You're right that the US has done plenty of awful things around the world, so I can't imagine why 9/11 kooks want to distract attention away from death squads in Central America in favour of debating thermite at the WTC. It's retarded.

[lestliness]

"Al Qaeda didn't exist until 1994, dude. Many were former Mujahedin but they were not AQ in the 1980s."

No shit dude. Is it really important to explain to you who was who when and what they are now in this case?

[KnowledgeIsPowr]

So should we banish you for the rest of your life if you did something when you were younger that wasn't right?

[lestliness]

IF you murdered people on a grand scale, then yes we should. Just like Charlie Manson.

[KnowledgeIsPowr]

Here is the difference. Follow closely. Charlie Mason young was still Charlie Manson of old. However, the government of old is not the government of new. Example... say wherever you work one of your fellow employees turns out to be a mass murderer. He is fired obviously. Now, your company hires someone new. Does that mean they are automatically deemed a murderer with no relation to the previous employee.

[KnowledgeIsPowr]

OR if we find out a mass murder lives in your neighborhood, apartment complex (whatever), should we automatically deem you to be a mass murderer on the grounds you live in the same neighborhood?

TO accuse someone or an organization of murdering thousand of people and your only evidence is because another group of people not related to the current group did something bad a long time ago. Do you have any ideal how idiotic that sounds? Seriously, think about it for a sec.

[lestliness]

"Do you have any ideal how idiotic that sounds? Seriously, think about it for a sec."

Why would it when it's the same old money interests that are involved?

[KnowledgeIsPowr]

Sorry but that will not hold up in a court of law. Not even close.

[lestliness]

I guess that's the philosophical difference you and I have. I believe this is the same old government as of yesteryear. It's the same system that allows corporate interest to control, it's the same old system that has the unconstitutional federal reserve system. It's the same damn two parties that have a monopoly on our electoral process. It's the same shit with the same agenda, just different puppets in charge of the same machine.

[KnowledgeIsPowr]

You know what I don't like the government either. Bush is an egotistical mindless idiot along with most of his administration. They are utterly incompetent. The whole political process is a shame. Which is a big reason why I don't believe for one sec he and thousands of others could pull this off and keep it under wraps for so long. Also because there is no evidence of any cover-up, regardless of what you might read on the propoganda CT sites.

[KnowledgeIsPowr]

To believe the government orchestrated this is to claim we have the most competent government in the world. The same government that can't balance a budget, oh and forgot to plant WMDs in Iraq after accusing them of having them. The same government involved in prison scandals, torture camps, killing the economy, etc. etc. I could go on and on, but you and every other CTer who blames them, deem them competent. You see the irony right?

[lestliness]

I was looking through my posts and I don't see where I blamed the current admin on 9/11. Where did you get that?My one and only argument is that I don't know the truth. I just don't except the governments account of what happened that day. At All.

[KnowledgeIsPowr]

Sorry, I did stereotype you. I am used to dealing with hardcore twoofers who do blame the government. Actually it's not really the government's version. It's the version of hundreds of top experts in their respective fields relating to the events of that day and the aftermath. There is nothing wrong with asking LOGICAL questions about what happened that day. CTers dont ask questions though. They try to impose their own theories and assumptions.

[lestliness]

Do you disregard the numerous architects and engineers who are also experts in their respective fields and believe otherwise?

[KnowledgeIsPowr]

If you are speaking of aetruth then yes I disregard them. Their credentials are not verified plus they didn't do the investigation. I believe the experts who were actually there and conducted the investigation. And I believe the evidence. How many demo experts can you name who align themselves with the truthers.

[lestliness]

THe guy said WTC 7 fell straight down into it's own footprint. Your reply was "isn't that the direction of gravity?" My questions are A: If there is damage on one side of the building wouldn't it fall more like a tree? And just because they say a building is unstable.. does it really mean the whole damn thing is coming down? Think about it, you can say a structure is unstable and a section of it falls . There you go, it was unstable.

[KnowledgeIsPowr]

" If there is damage on one side of the building wouldn't it fall more like a tree?"

There was sporadic damage which inculded a huge gouge right in the middle of the building. Not to mention fires spread out among multiple floors.

"And just because they say a building is unstable.. does it really mean the whole damn thing is coming down?"

Well yeah! Firefighters don't create a collapse zone for a section of a building.

[lestliness]

"Well yeah! Firefighters don't create a collapse zone for a section of a building."

How do you know that?

[KnowledgeIsPowr]

"It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people."

Hmmm, seems Nigro was afraid the whole building was going to collapse.

[Obelisk2290]

This guy with the glasses got owned. They love to call us sheeple. I think we should call them parrotts cause they quote Loose Change verbatim. Then when he is confronted he says "I dont know"

[KnowledgeIsPowr]

He says "I don't know" because he did not have access to the Internet and CT sites to spew out the same garbage he swallows.

"Inside job" and "I don't know" seem to be synonymous.

Much like "Inside job" and proof is "because I say so."

[Obelisk2290]

This is not different that CT that think Jfk was killed in a conspiracy. These losers also just parrot what they here with no research. Vincent Bugliosi spent 21 years researching his magnus opus Recllaiming History

[leftysergeant]

There are, to the best of my knowledge, no experts in the rlevant fields who buy the CTs. Gage, Jones and Reynolds are not experts in anything relevant, and apparently do not have all their headbolts torqued right.

[lestliness]

Gulf of Tonkin

Operation Northwoods

[CarnivoreEschelon]

propsal northwoods

[lestliness]

Still doesn't make it right.

[CreativeCha0s]

'does everyone have their facts straight?' LMFAO - but we are to believe these loons have facts? amazing how they always hang themselves.

9/11 was not an inside job. period.

[culture02dc]

LOL this guy has no knowledge of the facts, just another sheep believing these idiotic truthers who have no lives and no real point. Instead of protesting the war or doing something that may have some meaning they try to bombard us with idiotic so called facts that cannot stand up. Buildings had more fire lol lol...no buildings were ever hit by huge airplanes with jet fuel

[Aanthanur]

no buildings were ever hit by huge airplanes with jet fuel

oh you got ur facts wrong here :) there was more than one building hit by big airplanes :)

in NY(ESB) and Amsterdam

[ArmchairRevolution]

The B-52 is not a big plane, nor was it going 500 mph, nor was the ESB built like the WTC.

[Garsha321]

The ESB was hit by a B-25 which weighs 1/6th as much as a 757.

[ArmchairRevolution]

Right.

[culture02dc]

This is exactly how I picture truthers. Morons with no lives that do not want to listen to facts only conspiracies. This is just another sheep following whatever he heard Alex Jones say. This guy is a moron...a big building is supposed to fall sideways? Please..

[bambino291]

"what direction should it have fallen?"

I love it this CT thinks the building should have fallen up!

[Rayne215]

im only suspect by the pentagon, something is amiss with that, i wholeheartly beleive the airplanes brought down the WTC's, but the pentagon, something is wrong with that story

[Aanthanur]

pilots for 911truth got the Blackbox data from pentagon plane, they say. u might want to look at it, im agnostic about pentagon.

but i KNOW that a "natural" collaps of the towers and WTC7 could not fall at nearly freefallspeed.

[bambino291]

Well there are 30+ witnessess to a AA flight 77 hit the pentagon.

[Aanthanur]

oh lol the rest of the links are even worser, they try to whitewash it by the incompetence theory. tz tz

and the italian debunker is funny. did he also find sulfur and other chemical traces that could be from thermate?

[CHF2]

Are you a structural engineer by any chance?

[Aanthanur]

not structual, machines :)

[CHF2]

Not really relevant to buildings then.

[Aanthanur]

oh is that so :) we have the same law of physics you know than the one used by structural engineers.

and what is your profession?

[CHF2]

My profession isn't relevant since I'm not the one saying the engineering consensus on 9/11 is wrong.

[Aanthanur]

But you say it is wright, so it is relevant.

just as relevant as mine is :)

[CHF2]

No, I agree with the engineering consensus precisely because I am not qualified to judge these things on my own.

Truthers meanwhile, prefer to think that a theology professor or a disgraced professor like Steven Jones are better suited to pass judgement or that a part-time job at MacDonalds makes one an expert on demolitions.

And you wonder why people laugh at you.

[Aanthanur]

oh i hardly meet ppl laughing about it in real live. only ppl not knowing law of physics.

ae911trueth org

:)

[CHF2]

According to AE911 there were "pyroclasic clouds" at Ground Zero on 9/11. That's right -they think there was a volcano at the WTC.

AE911 is almost as useless as Fetzer's "scholars."

[Aanthanur]

oh vulcanos is the only place pyroclastic clouds come from? uiui read some books about explosions and controlled demolition :)

[CHF2]

According to which source is "pyroclastic" not a volcanic term?

[Aanthanur]

According to which source is "pyroclastic" not a volcanic term?

did i say that? read and understand lol. read again

[Aanthanur]

you are kinda strange, first thing you sayd to me was, take care you bring up some calculations, and i did.

and you come back with the usual propaganda.

i thaught you did understand something, i hoped you will bring back some of ur calculations. but no.

whats wrong with you? did you ever do a calc urself about WTC or just parrot what you read on OCT sites?

[CHF2]

You did indeed present calculations: from someone who argues AGAINST CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

His paper showed how explosives were not needed to pulverize the building since the top weight was enough. And you use his numbers as proof of demolition? What's wrong with you?

[Aanthanur]

you go out on the streets and try to convince ppl about physical prozesses of a collaps and you fail to understand the very complex prozess urself. you did not under stand the calculations i showed you. you just googled his name and saw what he tryed to prove. you seem to not spot why he failed or even that he failed.

thats not a prove for CD, its a prove that the official theory about the collaps is wrong.

[Aanthanur]

you demanded me to bring up calculations and you dont even understand em. you didnt even know them.

this calculations did NOT prove the pulverisation of the concrete. it actually proves the oposite. and you dont even understand why.

[CHF2]

By all means, show Greening where he went wrong. Write up a paper and send it to him. Explain to him how a 120,000 ton mass shouldn't have pulverized concrete.

His paper passed peer-review so I'm sure he'll appreciate you setting him straight.

[Aanthanur]

lol ur not up to date isnt it?

Gordon Ross did that already.

Dr. Greenings turned into a Agnostic early 2007. But you talk to ppl in this video as if you understood Physics. and now i see you dont understand the details, just that gravity goes down :/ maybe inform yourself again, and keep it up to date. bevore you help covering up something you dont understand.

[CHF2]

Gordon Ross was destroyed by NASA scientist R. Mackey on the JREF forums. He's old news.

Maybe you should ask yourself why the physics community isn't up in arms over 9/11 or why a fraud like Steven Jones is your top man in that regard, or why your experts fear honest peer-review like the plague.

By the way, according to which source does "pyroclastic" refer to something other than the dust from a volcanic eruption?

[CHF2]

I don't claim to be a physics expert. Given that the physics community doesn't seem to see anything wrong with 9/11, YOU are the one telling the experts that they're wrong.

According to truthers I've met, that 120,000 ton top mass of the south tower should have somehow fallen off to the side - as if some kind of magical horizontal force should have acted on it. What complete batshit lunacy! No wonder none of you get your "research" peer-reviewed.

[Aanthanur]

ur last post shows again, you have no clue about physic :) have funn covering up

have funn in martial law

[CHF2]

If you understand physics, then why don't physics professors agree with you?

Why no peer-reviewed work?

[Aanthanur]

if you want to go back to aristoteles, it is fine for me. but dont brainwash others with that crap.

newton debunked aristoteles already.

[CHF2]

If you understand physics, then why don't physics professors agree with you?

Why no peer-reviewed work?

[Aanthanur]

who says they arent peer reviewed?

and why are several phys profs agrreing with it?

[CHF2]

Peer review is done in a journal specializing in the subject matter. No one outside of the truth movement is impressed with a "peer-review" done in a kook journal.

Holocaust Deniers do the same thing with their "research" and for the exact same reason: they know it will be destroyed anywhere else.

If your side has confidence in its work, why not submit it to a publication that actually matters? Cuz Steven Jones and company know they're full of shit, that's why.

[Aanthanur]

" In my opinion the building WTC 7 was, with great probability, professionally demolished," says Hugo Bachmann, Emeritus ETH [Swiss Federal Institute of Technology] - Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction. And also Jörg Schneider, likewise emeritus ETH - Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction, interprets the few available video recordings as evidence that "the building WTC 7 was with great probability demolished."

[CHF2]

Show me a paper they've written.

[Aanthanur]

there is a nice little search tool for the internet, they call it google.

[CHF2]

Unfortunately I can't seem to find their 9/11 work.

Link me to it, Aanthanur. I mean I'm sure you know where to find their papers. Or at least you would if they'd written anything.

[Garsha321]

Make sure you read the paper the implosionworld. com wrote!

[Aanthanur]

did that already oc.

[Aanthanur]

blanchard i guess.

[CHF2]

You wrote: "oh vulcanos is the only place pyroclastic clouds come from? uiui read some books about explosions and controlled demolition :)"

You seem to be implying that "pyroclastic" also applies to "explosions" and "demolition."

Just what the hell are you saying?

[Aanthanur]

ah i know debunking911debunking, did you also read that?

i guess not lol

but hey, i just leave you alone now, i thaught you know something about the stuff, but i was wrong :)

have a nice WWIII

[CHF2]

so which paper are you going to debunk?

[Aanthanur]

any one you give me:)

[CHF2]

I directed you to a whole page of them.

Pick any one you like.

[Aanthanur]

ok thx :)

[Aanthanur]

uiui, i picked the first link, and on page 3 saw the first false assumption.

steel was heated up to 800°C

while NIST say, no steel probe found that was any hotter than 600°C at anytime. who is wrong here, NIST? who did research on the WTC steel beams? mmh maybe cause they only got 10procent of the steel, the rest was sorted out and recyclesd. great job guilliani. mmh il pick next link.

[CHF2]

Steel never got hotter than 600C? Perhaps you can explain what pulled in on the outer columns them.

[Aanthanur]

it was NIST thats said that :)

[CHF2]

Perhaps you can explain what pulled in on the outer columns.

[Aanthanur]

the trusses after CD startet in the core. why?

[CHF2]

So the demolition charges went off in the core at the exact floors where the aircraft struck? And these charges somehow warped the trusses which pulled in on the columns? How fucking retarded.

Charges wouldn't survive the jet impact and fires, and would have snapped the beams, not bent them.

[ArmchairRevolution]

CD bows trusses?

[Garsha321]

armchair you didnt know they did that? with all the new laws of physics they made up everything can be done by CD bowing, slower than free fall falling buildings.

[ArmchairRevolution]

Demolition explosives truly are a Modern Marvel!

[CarnivoreEschelon]

not top down demolition sorry that does not happen also why were wtc 6 and 7 hit by debries from wtc 1. they did not fall at free fall or at terminal velocity..

[CHF2]

AE911 has FIVE structural engineers, none of whom have written any 9/11 reports.

Show me some peer-reviewed work by your "experts."

No Steven Jones' journal doesn't count. I mean in a real journal.

[Aanthanur]

Dr. Bazant's theory is based on false asumtions.

it will never be proven without another energy source. whatever this energy source will be :)

[CHF2]

Scientific truthers outnumber the other side? What a load that is.

I guess you mean the "scholars" or the clowns at "AE911" - NONE of whom have produced any peer-reviewed research. You realize there are hundreds of thousands of engineers in the world, right?

On the other team we find NIST, MIT, ASCE (130,000 strong), Greening, Bazant...all arguing against demolition.

[Aanthanur]

dr jones his papers ARE peer-reviewed. and would you take the time, you would discover that he gets NEGATIV peer reviews :) but ur mind is made up, ur closeminded :)

[CHF2]

Jones' own kook journal is not peer-review. Holocaust Deniers have tried that same tactic and it didn't work for them either.

[Aanthanur]

lol you have no clue, you didnt read jones journal and expecially not the reviews. lol

is that all you got?

ur laughable. you have no clue about the subject.

[CHF2]

Oh Jones' journal allows negative comments. But he also passes off his paper as being peer-reviewed when it never was by any scientific measure. That's why the man opted for early "retired" when BYU objected to his sham of a "peer-review."

[Aanthanur]

well show me a scientific work that proves the official claims. :) cmon i like to debunk it.

[CHF2]

You'll find a few peer-reviewed papers here:

debunking911 dot com

Scroll down to peer-reviewed paper.

I take it you're a structural engineer?

[Aanthanur]

Dr Frank Greening on JREF - NIST report is 'seriously flawed'

Thus, by the start of 2007, I still had plenty of questions about the official version of the collapse of the Twin Towers. And this is essentially where I stand today. Unlike the self-assured posters on PhysOrg and JREF who claim to KNOW what happened to the Twin Towers, I remain a 9/11 agnostic.

what did he prove again? :P

[CHF2]

Greening's issue with NIST is that the report didn't give a detailed look at the collapse after it started. NIST's stated reason was that after collapse initiation the weight coming down made a quick and total collapse inevitable. Greening looked into this and found it to be correct: the above mass was indeed enough to smash and pulverize its way through the building as was observed.

Look at Greening's published work on 9/11. Show me where he backs the "truthers."

[Aanthanur]

he is NOT backing up CT's, he is agnostic, and to be fair to him, he also said he thinks he is closer than the CD theory. and he could not prove the total collaps. you see the calculation? again it is HIS calculation. he cant prove it thats why he is agnostic now. but he is NOT a CT :)

[Aanthanur]

and btw, cheney will atack again till 21. sept. 2007.

1 bill in putoptions DJeurrostoxx50 index, and 25 mil on german market. the atack will most propably be in germany. could also be in the USA.

read financial times :)

[CHF2]

How many new false flag attacks have truthers predicted in the past few years?

[Aanthanur]

duno its the first time for me :)

the putoptions seems to speek for them selfe. lets wait till 21. we will know then.

[Giuliani08]

I must have missed the major news.  What happened on 21. sept. 2007?

So, if Cheney didn't attack "again" does that mean that he didn't attack the first time?

I mean if your information on Cheney attacks are this wrong how do you expect anyone to believe your 911 Denial propaganda?

Don't haze me, bro!

[ArmchairRevolution]

How'd that attack from Cheney go, Anath?

[Aanthanur]

you mean the highly suspect inccident with the "missing" nukes?

[ArmchairRevolution]

I'm talking about that attack that you claimed Cheney would commence.

How'd that go?

[Aanthanur]

didnt you read the news? the nukes flying above your country. inform you about it, inform ou about the soldiers that died.

[ArmchairRevolution]

Again, where's the attack?

[Aanthanur]

did you inform yourself about that inccidents?

i guess not, cause you would not ask then.....

[idb87]

Just looked like more incompetence from our government.

Plus, hazardous materials are always moving, via highway or rail.

OMGZ ARE THEZ ATTKS TOO?

[Aanthanur]

and btw, EVERY single scientist that went pupblic with it, lost his job...

maybe thats why they dont come to public?

[CHF2]

List these people.

Jones lost his job because he falsely represented his paper as peer-reviewed on BYU's website.

[Aanthanur]

Jones is retired :)

[CHF2]

He was suspended by BYU and decided to retire rather than face the music.

[Aanthanur]

how can the towers collaps within 15 seconds?

how can WTC 7 collaps within 6.5 seconds?

without explosions beeing involved?

thats against the law of physics :)

[CHF2]

Which laws of physics? And why aren't physics professors lining up to say so?

[Aanthanur]

journalof911studies com

[CHF2]

A kook publication where truthers "peer-review" their own work. Ever wonder why Steven Jones decided to start his own journal rather than have his earth-shattering research peer-reviewed in a journal that actually matters?

[TheMaskedGecko]

notice the truther always hides behind that "it fell at freefall speed" thing, what a jackass

[Aanthanur]

well explain how it is possible then, scientists failed to explain that, the lower parts of a building give resistance to the falling parts :)

[CHF2]

The falls parts of the WTC towers weighed 50,000 tonnes and 120,000 tonnes.

Explain to me how each floor of the towers should have significantly slowed that down. Be sure to show your math.

[Aanthanur]

Energy sources

Kinetic energy from initial freefall 2105MJ

58Ktonnes * g moving through 3.7m

Potential energy from additional downward movement

58Ktonnes * g *[16.5/16] moving through 555mm deflection of impacted storey 325MJ

58Ktonnes * g *[15.5/16] moving through 555mm deflection of impacting storey 305MJ

[Aanthanur]

Compression of remainder of impacting section allowing an effective mass of 58Ktonnes * g *

[[11/2]/16] moving through a proportion of 11 affected storeys elastic deflections of 7.4mm

13MJ

Compression of remainder of impacted section effective mass of 58Ktonnes * g * [17+

moving through half of 20 affected storeys elastic deflection of 7.4mm 52MJ

[Aanthanur]

Pulverisation of impacting floor concrete 128MJ

Pulverisation of impacted floor concrete 128MJ

Energy consumed by inertial changes in collision 1010MJ

Strain energy in impacting storey 710MJ

[Aanthanur]

58Ktonnes * g * moving through 555mm deflection of

impacted storey *

Strain energy in impacted storey 710MJ

58Ktonnes * g * moving through 555mm deflection of

impacted storey *

[Aanthanur]

Elastic strain energy in remainder of impacting section 26MJ effective mass of 58Ktonnes * g *

2 * moving through a proportion of 11 affected storeys' full elastic deflection of

7.4mm

Elastic strain energy in remainder of impacted section 104MJ effective mass of half of

58Ktonnes * g * 2 * moving through half of 4 affected storeys' full elastic

deflection of 7.4mm

Total Energy demands 2816MJ

Energy DEFICIT 2816 - 2700 = 116MJ

[Aanthanur]

that is Dr. Greenings Calculation formula of the first 50 milliseconds. just calculate the next 50 miliseconds.

showing that the collaps had to stop :)

ppl should really reread newton's law of physic

[Aanthanur]

Explain to me how each floor of the towers should have significantly slowed that down. Be sure to show your math.

the lower part is made to keep that stuff up there in easy words.

its not possible to crush all the concrete and steel desks chairs air and all within 15 seconds.

calculations and FEA models show it would atleast take 43 seconds. in fact the NIST FEA model didnt even collaps.

[CHF2]

Funny you mention Greening. His paper showed that the collapse and pulverization was indeed possible without the aid of explosives.

"the lower part is made to keep that stuff up there in easy words."

You realize that a static load is different than a dynamic load, right?

[Aanthanur]

funny you dont see that this IS dr. greenings calcs. he calculated only 50 milliseconds. wonder why only 50 milliseconds? well see the result. thats the next 50 millisecond. an energy deficit, how is that a prove that pulverisaton of concrete was possible?

[damonsecloro]

i REALLY want to know more about wtc7 aswell, i want a commission report on all the buildings on that day. WTC-7 is the key to what actually happened that day, and that is demolishion of steel buildings.

[esopxe]

I would like to see the pictures and or video evidence of the 25% of building 7 being "scooped out". Also, with the many examples of buildings burning for long periods of time and at high temps, how many of those have concrete cores?

[CHF2]

Tell you what....show me some example of buildings with the WTC towers' design that were hit by 757s and DID NOT collapse.

Then show me a building designed like WTC7 that was struck by debris from a collapsing skyscraper and burned for seven hours and DID NOT collapse.

As far as I know, the only three such circumstances in history have produced three collapses, yet truthers still insist it was impossible because of historical precedence.

[bambino291]

Your getting to logical for them. If there is one thing I learned while debunking these CTs, it's logic is a four letter word in the CT world.

[Simmo77]

Truther gets owned.

[Lonewolf20k]

"Well, you hear facts and I hear facts, so my fact trump yours because... Just because.

[ConsDemo]

What exactly makes this conspiracy theorist an authority on anything? He seems to just regurgitate CTer talking points.

[SlimeBuster]

LOL! great video!

[krazyblakk]

don't edit post plzz

[aussiestormer]

"within its own footprint" obviously he hasn't been to any non-conspiracy web sites and seen photos of the wtc7 debris. in this video /watch?v=L9KxH-a6Hx4

you can see the steel columns collapsing at the madrid windsor tower fire. thanks for this great video CHF2.

[Falco98]

LOL, awesome ass-whipping there, CHF :-D

[w3st]

Hardcore smack-down! Well done, CHF.

[proudfootz]

Rescuer: "WTC 7 about to blow up" Rescuer 1: "It's blowin' boy. Did you hear that?" Rescuer 2: "Keep your eye on that building, it will be coming down soon." Rescuer 3: "The building is about to blow up. Move it back!" Rescuer 4: "Move it back here. Alright guys? Sorry." Rescuer 3: "We are walking back. There's a building about to blow up. There's flame and debris coming down."

[CHF2]

Wait...so are the rescuers guilty of blowing up WTC7 or are they just covering it up?

[VideoOutlawz]

Lol.."I don't have the memory that you have"(or the intellect.) These are absolute morons. He's immortalized on YouTube now. And what would be the point of him "Knowing everything"? He'd only forget it and come to the same conclusion..

[phix585]

Truthers are nothing but cultists. Just like scientologists.

[tkledin]

Bwahahahaa what a tool!! Someone should so him the video of the Penthouse collapse!! This interviewer totaly demolished this guy... omg... look at look on his face after he tells him about the Madrid building collapsing... HAHAHAHAHA

[COYZO]

The penthouse collapse is STRONG EVIDENCE OF A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, Objects fall along the path of LEAST RESISTANCE, Always. The major damage to WTC7 was along the southwest facade, away from the trusses and columns under the east penthouse. which indicates that the path of greatest resistance

[proudfootz]

Funny - supposedly the WTC7 was 'leaning' but then it comes straight down if a few seconds into its own footprint just like a controlled demolition.

[crookedjon]

Would you prefer it to fall sideways? That only happens with lego buildings I'm afraid.

[RedtailVegas]

Funny-supposedly WTC7 was a controlled demolition yet despite every news organization with a camera and mike being in the area, none of them picked up the sounds of a controlled demolition.

[sivazh]

The building did NOT fall at free fall speed. 9 seconds, which would be free fall, is NOT 15 or 18 seconds. Truthers can't count. And, the "its own footprint" comment is just hilarious. Have these people ever seen a map of the debris field???? Wow.