@arraba99 You have to be kidding me, Islam teaches that when a man dies he gets 72 or so virgins in heaven for the men to have sex with as much as they want, what do women get in heaven? nothing thats right, and also women in Islam r worth that half of a man, what u say is beyond ignorant to even think that women would be treated better in islam. In Christianity both men and women r equal in Gods eyes, and both will receive the same in heaven, I hope u get a chance to read & study the Bible.
@WakeupFreinds "You have to be kidding me, Islam teaches that when a man dies he gets 72 or so virgins in heaven for the men to have sex with as much as they want, what do women get in heaven?"
@WakeupFreinds "and also women in Islam r worth that half of a man, what u say is beyond ignorant to even think that women would be treated better in islam."
Really? And where does it say that....
"In Christianity both men and women r equal in Gods eyes, and both will receive the same in heaven, I hope u get a chance to read & study the Bible."
@nonshari And what are you chirping about so suddenly. Your crusaders killed and plundered Arabs indiscriminately, Muslims, Christians and Jews. You did it again in Iraq, because of your stupid war over oil. Bunch of warhungry basterd wants to invade us and teach us their morals. Also the stupidity of believing just one of many version of a story, and refuse to believe in other stories. You believe Aisha was 3 years old, ok. But do you believe that Muhammed split the moon forexample?
here are 4 Contradiction in quran # 1. sura 22:47. 32:5 one day=1,000 yrs. against sura 70:4 one day = 50,000 years. Which one is right according to quran. #2. 25:54 man made from water.96:1-2 from clot.15:26 from clay or mud.32:7 clay.38:71 mire. 55:14 clay 30:20 & 35:11dust. Which one is man made from.#3. 2:109 treat non muslims with kindness & 9:29 kill them where ever you find them. #439:4 could GOD have Son? 6.100-1. I GAVE YOU 4 CONTRADICTIONS. JESUS LOVES YOU. WAKE UP
If this criminal ( Anjem the gay Choudary ) loves sharia so much , why doesnt he go to live in one Islamic country ?. because he knows himself how horrible sharia is. he is just using that to get money without working . Living like a parasite. Just like what most of the muslims do.
@rzadan I dont care about that stupid chadry who dont even understand what sharia is and even what juhad is, he is the one that spreads his twisted understanding of jihad. Jihad is to fight for your right when you are forced out of your home for no reason but believin in God. Did UK drive us away from our homes? NO! And to answer that stupid claim about 80-600 million Hindus killed by sword. Youve fallen to the trap, it was a missionary joke. Westerners still massacred 100 mill native americans
I challenge every one to read the so called "harsh verse in the quran" and just, not only do you not have to read it in its context, just finish that same sentence, the same sentince because in the same sentence it usally dismiss the punishment (which are the most is 100 slashes for adultory) in that same sentince saying "But if that person were to repent it would be wise and Allah is the most merciful and gracious" their is no such thing as stoning. stoning has to do with culture not religion
@abashammusba Islam is culture, religion and political system all rolled into one. Your messiah is my Antichrist. Yahova is not Allah because Yahova has a Son but Allah has 3 daughters. Yahshua will arive at Busirah and he will slaughter all you muslims who seek to steal and divide up his land and take it from his children Israel and his adopted children christianity. Your messiah comes and he has the spirit of Muhammad in him which is reincarnation and is witchcraft.
@lonewolf19792000 are you hearing yourself...it's fine though because in the end All you can say is bla bla bla...
" He (Allah almighty) it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion / way of life, however much the unbelievers detest."
constation and islamic laws over lap, they not only NOT contradict each other but they go hand and hand, BUT i can't say the same for the christian law since most of the punishment are death, fornacation, death, breaking a single commandment death, lookin at someone with anger is the same as commenting murder, having thoughts about somebody is the same as comminting adultry, and on and on.....the terrors are in the bible not the Quran
muslims are not the problem, we have been around for 1400 years watching christians launch war and kill each othe war after war time after time( ww2 has the worlds record for most kill) and crusades, cold war, civil war on and on and on, but i guess lets just dismiss them, and by the way the U.S constatution which were largely written and inspired by diest, splecidly said "protection of "islam" under the U.S constatution" and by the way the constation and islamic laws over lap
@rzadan Muslims have been around for 1400 years don't you think if it was by Muslims that it would have already been happen. i suggest you read the bible more and find out which "religion" contins "DOOMSDAY".
@abashammusba Just wait until they get the power. Already now there has been 18,500 terrorist atacks and more than 1,500,000 people killed by muslims , since 911 . Muslims are killing more people every year than spanish inquisision during 350 years, Can you show me a single religion who is killing so much people? And muslims have no power now. Imagine what they are capable of if they have the power. Only ex-muslims like me know how muslims are thinking.
@rzadan muslims are not the problem, we have been around for 1400 years watching christians launch war and kill each othe war after war time after time( ww2 has the worlds record for most kill)and crusades, cold war, civil war on and on and on, but i guess lets just dismiss them, and by the way the U.Sconstatution which were largely written and inspired by diest, splecidly said "protection of "islam" under the U.S constatution" and by the way the constatution and islamic laws go togther
@rzadan WW1, WW2, Hiroshima & Nagasaki, Palestine, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq. 9/11 was never proved, yet they bombed the hell out of Afghanistan. Hitler killed because of his ideology which was a mix of socialism/fascism and darwinism. Do we have a "burna an origin of species day" or "burn a mein kampf day"? Why did the Muslims SUDDENLY become the massmurderers, did the west just wake up, or did they fuck up so much they earned themselves enemies in the middle east?
@snake1mi Nobody denies what Hitler has done. But he was a much better person than mohammad . Becaus he did not rape any body and he was not a pedophile. Why is it that whenever you show muslims how evil Islam is , they start complaining about other evil things. You muslims have killed millions of Budhists . Did they kill you back ? You have killed 80 million Hindus last century. ( more than WW I and WW II together) . If muslims had nuclear , they would have killed billions.
@rzadan Muhammed NEVER raped anyone, not him nor the rest of the Muslims in his time, stop protecting that pig hitler. 80 mill Hindus? Look at how desperate you are. Serbians were cleaning Joguslavia ethnically from Muslims, I bet you enjoyed every part of that, the kind of Hitler, neo nazis who have new target now, Muslims.
@snake1mi Mohammad raped Safia , Rayhana , Juvariyah . Those are what we know of. He was also a pedophile , Aisha was 9 when he slept with her ( that is also a rape). Muslims used to kill Christian Serbs in Joguslavia ( during ww II ) . Throwing their kids down the mountain and calling it , flying Christian. I know people from there. As for Hindus , you better study the history. Muslims are still killing them . Muslims even kill muslims. Yesterday they killed 50 .
@rzadan "Mohammad raped Safia , Rayhana , Juvariyah . Those are what we know of. He was also a pedophile , Aisha was 9 when he slept with her ( that is also a rape). "
Look at your disgusting made up lies.... hate monger.
@AminThePoet After attacking the pitty tribe of Khaybar , killing many of them and enslavint the rest , mohammad tortured Kinana , the husband of safia , in order to find the hiden tresure . Then he killed him. The same night he raped ( read it married ) Safia . Sahih muslim page 419. I am gettging tired of teaching you your own religion. Go and learn it yourself. After that , come back and defend it. Sahih muslim is not written by Jews or USA . ( just for your information)..
@rzadan See - that is why you do not bother to give references.... I have to ask numerous times... when you do .... it always turns out that you have lied....
you have left a full history of it here on YouTube. Always available to all interested.
@AminThePoet The refrence :Sahih Muslim page 419. There you will see that muhamMAD tortured a jew called Kinana for finding his tresure , then killed him. At the same night he raped that pitty mans wife called Safia. In the same book ( sahih Muslim ) you can find that muhamMAD has done it 2 more times , to girls called Rayhana , Juvariyah ( killed their husbands and then raped their wives the same night ). MuhamMAD was also a pedophile . He raped Aisha at the age of 9. Now , Where did I lie ?
@rzadan "The refrence :Sahih Muslim page 419. There you will see that muhamMAD tortured a jew called Kinana for finding his tresure , then killed him. At the same night he raped that pitty mans wife called Safia...."
Again ... no reference - just a bogus page number.... see how you delay and lie and divert.
See the games you play? Look at yourself - when you are cornered what do you do?
Anyone interested here is an example of his lying... and see how it is exposed. 1st he was claiming something else... then he changed it. By the time he gave a reference from Quran... it had changed to something else.
@AminThePoet All I said about mohamMAD raping Safia , is written in muslims own history book called Sahih Muslim page 419. Dont take my word for it , go and read it yourself. You are just accusing everybody liar , because that is what you are yourself. I have given you a refrence from your own books ( not written by Jews or Americans ) . Then answer me. The thing is that u know mohammad was a pedophile and rapist. But you defend him because you are probably the same yourself.
All books are printed differently... why don't you give out proper reference... That is done by giving out Hadith ref and link. What site are you using. Which Hadith no? What chapter.
"You are just accusing everybody liar , because that is what you are yourself."
You are a liar and I can prove it - who is everybody? I have exposed with proof your lies? You turn... one lie? An example...
@rzadan "But you defend him because you are probably the same yourself."
See - you attack people personally making up personal lies... that is evidence of how insecure lonely and consumed with hate you are .... that is why from day one I have termed you rightly the hate monger.
You make up lie after lie after lie... and get exposed.
You have ABSOLUTELY no shame at all..... look the lies you have committed.
@AminThePoet Of course I attack you personally. Your book , quran , calls me ( non muslim ) bastard , less than dogs and u defend it. Why shouldnt I insult you ? Besides , you support quran when it says that maryying a girl who has not started mensturating yet is ok , and raping non-muslim women captured in a war is ok. ( refrences ? read your evil quran ) .
And u want refrences , u must first accept these things are evil. If you do not believ it , what is the point then ?
U admit it. Ad hominem is illogical. This is not done at all... that is why I call you hate monger... because you are consumed with it. You need professional psychological help.
"Your book , quran , calls me ( non muslim ) bastard , less than dogs and u defend it. "
More lies. Baseless as well.
"Besides , you support quran when it says that maryying a girl who has not started mensturating yet is ok "
@AminThePoet You have not got the point yet. Do you think by asking you about that hypothetical ( or our compaign !) religion , I am trying to tease you ? No . I want to show you that things that are evil for normal people , are not evil for muslims. Killing is evil but muslims think if they do it , then it is ok. Insulting others ( calling them bastards and etc ) is evil . but muslims think if thy are doing the insulting , then it is ok. So we must first agree on what evil is .
@rzadan "You have not got the point yet. Do you think by asking you about that hypothetical ( or our compaign !) religion "
Who is our? There is only you .... stick to your own self.
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Again .... you lie so many times - and i have caught you lying so many times. It is you who is mentally disturbed and a hate monger - hence you are the real evil.
@AminThePoet You told me to be shamed . Wo shall be shamed ? Me or someone who is defending a pedophile ? You muslims think that it is ok to rape a 9 year old girl and then you want me to be shamed for calling you a pedophile ? You got some nerve.
I told you about that hypothetical religion ( or our compaign ) , the point is if we are both agreed in what evil is. Maybe you can prove that those things are not evil . Then you win. So lets see what evil is first.
@rzadan "You muslims think that it is ok to rape a 9 year old girl and then you want me to be shamed for calling you a pedophile ? You got some nerve."
More lies - and baseless lies. Look at how you lie as well... shamelessly.
You don't even have concept of truth... look at what you previously said about giving references & evidence for your lies.
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"I told you about that hypothetical religion ( or our compaign ) , the point is if we are both agreed in what evil is"
@rzadan ""I want to show you that things that are evil for normal people , are not evil for muslims. Killing is evil but muslims think if they do it ""
All these are made up lies.... by you. You dont even know who you are...
when it suits you - you claim to be ex-Muslim. Then you say you are not. Then you lie about Quran. Then you say you know five languages. Then you don't
I think there is something wrong with you. You are probably really lonely that is why you troll on internet.
@rzadan Hahahaha, so you actually trying to say you believe in these stories about arabs early marriage tradition? Mrriage is not rape. If you believe in this sick lies, i suppose you claim its from hadeeths, then you also believe in the hadeeth where Muhammed split the moon.
Islamophobi is a serious desease. Seek help. 80 million Hindus, lol, why dont you include 900 millions Spaniards as well since Muslims ruled Andalous (Spain).
@snake1mi Most of the muslims I talk to , dont know about their own religion. I am an ex-muslim. Was born a muslim. I know all about it. Now , I ask you : Is that allowed to marry a girl who is only 9 , 10 or 11 according to Islam or not ? What does quran say about marrying a girl who has not started to menstruate yet ? How old was Aisha when muhammad married her ?. Answer these question , so we can continue. Then we talk about hindus and also shia , who are still being killed.
@rzadan You mean Syrians getting killed.My great grandmother, married when she was 12.Different times different traditions. But to answer the Question,it is allowed to be betrothed (engaged) from early age, example parents can plan for their child to marry with their close friends child, even if they are both still kids, BUT not marriage. I believe that people asked Aishas hand already at 6, but her father refused and she was betrothed later at 9 or 10, then moved when she got menstrual
@snake1mi Finally after long time I get a message from someone who wants to reason. Thank you. I fully agree with you : Different times , different tradition. The problem is that a prophet should not have done it , cuz he did that act perpetual. First of all , do you think that a 6 year old girl is mature enough to choose her husband ( a 51 year old man )? Do you think as soon as a girl starts menstruating , it is ok to sleep with her ? ( I am talikng about 21 century)
@rzadan "Most of the muslims I talk to , dont know about their own religion."
This is another lie... only people who accept you are extreme haters - that is why you go to racist sites and leave hate filled messages - such as all Muslims are parasites and should be killed.
Anywhere else... even non Muslims are against your views and speak out....
Most Muslims see through your lies in 2 minutes and answer back really well.
@rzadan Sexual intercourse with a 6 years old? Arent you exaggerating a bit? I mean even the early pharao Egyptians married at 8. Early marriage is still practiced today, in countries like Yemen and Bahrain. But usually girls and boys over 12 years! Not just between Muslims.. As I said the age of Aisha when betrothedwas 9 or 10, but marriage happened years later. Anyways, fact, did you know that in Melanesia the parents sepparate their children at 8, because they fear they might "cuddle"
@rzadan Oh, to answer the question, no, nobody can be married at 6, and no sane man would want his kid daughter to be with a man so early in her life. Abu Bakr was pleased with Muhammed and loved him more than a brother, thats why he wanted his daughter Aisha to be married to Muhammed, thats why he reserved her for Muhammed. In time of war, bandits were kidnapping even the small girls, Arab men wished to protect their girls by giving them for marriage even at 10 years!
@snake1mi Mohammad was engaged to Aisha when she was 6 and raped ( read it slept with) her when she was 9. Tell me , Is a 6 years old mature enough to shoose her partner ?
There is a lot to talk about . But if you do not mind I would like to clear one thing : What is pedophilia ? I mean in this century. Can you define pedophilia for me ? Once again , I am only talking about theses days and not 1400 years ago. After that we can talk about Aisha .
@rzadan Didnt I answer you already? Aisha was betrothed when at 9, and moved to Mohammed a couple of years later. What does raping have anything to do with legal marriage in consent of the lady, her family and the rest of the tribe. Did she had to ask Colombus or GW for his blessing so it would be a legal marriage by american standards? Pedophilia is relationship between immature and mature individuals.Arab couple married at 12 and 14 years old, both just kids, but they were mature nough
@snake1mi I am talking about 21 century , not arabs at 1400 years ago and not about Aisha (not yet any way). Besides , now you changed your version. You said yourself that they engaged when Aisha was only 6 ( even Aisha herself has said that , see shahih Bukhari ) , and then you said that muhammad slept with her when she was 9 , which is also correct according to Sahi Bukhari . So , If someone asks you: what is pedophilia i general ? Are u going to talk about Aisha ? Please define pedophilia.
@rzadan No, I said she was betrothed at the age of 9-10, and moved into Mohammed a couple of years later, (when she got her menstr), please dont dodge my comments, read them so we can discussing things properly. I also defined for you what pedophilia is, so again, please dont dodge my comments. The older comments go down when you post a new one.
@snake1mi Believe me , your comments are one of those few that I read with respect. But please lets get somewhere with discussion. Why dont you want to define pedophilia by todays standard ? Maybe if you do that , the whole case would be over and we would not have to accuse muhammad of pedophilia any more. Is sleeping a 51 or 53 year old man with a 9 or 10 or 11 year old girls concidered pedophilia today ( TODAY) or not ?
Once again I am begging you to define this word , please.
@rzadan I already defined it for you 2 timesToday, if someone were to marry a 4-11 years old, is ofcourse, OFCOURSE! WRONG!And against the laws in all of middle east. Back then it was NORMAL and PRACTICED, AND NOT JUST BY MUSLIMS. BUT NOW/TODAY, its wrong and against the law. The minimum age Ive heard of is 11, but was not done through the court, but by 2 witnesses and a bearded man. to make things worse, the girl didnt want it! A. He/She has to be a mature. B He/She must gve consent.
@snake1mi That Mohamed continued a bad practice and didnt end that ,the fact that there is no punishment for pedophilia in islam makes Mohamed a false prophet . Islam sucks !
@snake1mi What you wrote is not the definition of pedophilia by todays standard . Sleeping ( or marrying ) with a girl younger than 13 by a boy who is at least 18 or older is concidered pedophilia today. I also agree that marrying with girls at age of 9 was commono practice 1400 years ago ( that does not make it morally right , but that is another discusion ). My question is : why is it still allowed according to Islam to marry a gril who has not started mensturating yet ?
@rzadan Why do you want to force todays "morals" on other culture backward in time? Its also weird how people think that 13 with 18 is tabu TODAY, but 13 with 17 is ok. Trust me, in Norway you have 10 years old girls with 13-16 y o boys. And I dont know who told you that Muslims practice pre menstrual marriage. But Ive never heard of such case, except in extreme raping cases. Its like, anal sex is not allowed. But some Muslims do it, but that doesnt make it ISLAMIC.
@snake1mi You say : And I dont know who told you that Muslims practice pre menstrual marriage. But Ive never heard of such case, except in extreme raping cases. Its like.
Your beloved Quran allows this. It says : if a pre mensturated girl divorces her husband , she must wait 3 monthes in order to be able to marry again ( this is called idda ) . This is in your quran. Now : 1- It does not say that the girl must wait to start menturating , no , it says : just keep idda . 2- CONTD
@snake1mi CONTD 2- This verse is a clear permision to marry a pre mens girl. That is why all Imams are agreed that there is no lower age limit for a girl to marry. 3- I know u want to say this is only engagement and not about sex . where does in quran says that ? The fact that quran wants her to keep idda is a proof tat it does not mind sex with such a girl. 4- Is a 6 or 12 or 13 years old gir mature enough to choose her husband ? Muslims dont care about this , the father decides.
@rzadan " Is a 6 or 12 or 13 years old gir mature enough to choose her husband ? Muslims dont care about this , the father decides."
Sadly, you are right on this one. Im even ashamed to say that.because of my uncle, my sister coulnt marry the man she wanted, and she was 23. Why?Just because it wasnt him who found the guy for her. But they got married after everyone in the family intervened and convinced him, including me. And also, it was thanks to her stubborn husband who never gave up on her
@rzadan The ladies consent is the most important, and a 15 years old today is still a amall girl, and she might only give her "yes" to move away from her folks thinking that "its time". Secondly, agreement or arrangement of future marriage is not engagement, its more like an oath sort of thing. But if the girl doesnt want it, and her folks forces her, then hellfire is there waiting for the sinners. Remember, dont think Islam says hellfire is only for disbelievers, also Muslims will get punished
@snake1mi Please read about the definition of pedophilia in wikipedia or other places and then we talk.
You say : Why do you want to force todays "morals" on other culture backward in time?
Reply : I dont. I condemn mohammad who called himself the best exemple to follow and by doing this he perpetuated this dispicable act. Did not he know that pedophilia will someday will be a despicable crime ? ( A true prophet would know ). A 53 year old sleeping with a 9 year old is sick.
@rzadan "Did not he know that pedophilia will someday will be a despicable crime ? ( A true prophet would know )."
True, if this was the case. However, the Prophet legally married Abu Bakrs daughter, asked her hand from Abu Bakr and his wife, both gave him their consent. Aisha was only lets go with your version, 9 years, but gave her consent knowing that she would be the Prophets woman. A few years later their marriage was blessed by the whole Muslim tribe, when she was 14, (remember the war)
@rzadan "Did not he know that pedophilia will someday will be a despicable crime ? ( A true prophet would know )."
True, if this was the case. However, the Prophet legally married Abu Bakrs daughter, asked her hand from Abu Bakr and his wife, both gave him their consent. Aisha was only lets go with your version, 9 years, but gave her consent knowing that she would be the Prophets woman. A few years later their marriage was blessed by the whole Muslim tribe, when she was 14, (remember the war)
@snake1mi The way muhammad married Aisha is another discusion.We will come back to that.
The question is why did he perpetuated pedophilia ? Prophets come to destroy immoral values of humans . But muhammad made slavery , pedophila and other thing legal until the end of the time. That is not accepted from a person who claims to be a prophet. If it was not for him , in Islamic country pedophilia would be a crime now , like in the west.
@rzadan Yes its a crime if the authority finds out about marriage below the sexual age, which is 15, 16 or 18, each country is different. In Norway its 16, but you get pills from 12 years. You understand where Im going, right? If a 14-15 years old sleeps with a 16 or 25 years old, its the same, Have I not answered you 10 times already? What does old Arabic marriage custom got anything with child abuse and fetish for children? Besides why are you so interested only? Isnt there anything else?
@snake1mi The definistion pedophilia ( partly ) : the boy must be at least five years older than the underage. For exemple. If a 12 years girl sleeps with a 15 years old boy , it is not considered pedophila. But if an 18 years old sleeps with the same girl , then it is called pedophilia. Now , it makes it clear that if a 40 year old man marries a 12 years old , he is comitting pedophilia . Are we agreed on this or not ? ( no matter which country in. Ethically)
@rzadan Moot point.Think back 1400 years ago,Ive never heard of anyone telling Muhammed, that he has committed a shameful act, not Romans, Persians or Koptians. Why did you just wake up just now, in the 20th century? Ill tell you why, because you want to prove your arguments. it wasnt seen as a sin, and I still see teenagers marry guys in their 20s and even 40s. Each tradition doesnt have to follow western standards and conventions. Abraham married a teenager, it wasnt a sin or shameful
@snake1mi I am not talking about a 20 years old girl marrying a 50 years old man. I am talking about a 53 year old man marrying a 6 year old girl and then raping her at age of 9. Is such a marriage pedophilia or not ? ( I am not talking about a certain person yet. The question is in general ).
Besides roman called muhammad evil. Havent you seen the famous painting of 9 th cnetury in Italy , with muhammad in hell being tortured ?
@snake1mi The problem with muslims is that they have different values about evil things. Things which are evil for normal humans , are sometimes even divine for muslims. That is why we want them to take their religion and sharia back to their beloved Islamic countries and practice it there. If you come here you must follow our standards . That is what non-muslims do when they come to Islamic countries and want to live there. Isnt that fair ?
@rzadan Why do you keep telling lies? I already told you the age she was engaged, 9. But you keep saying 5, and you even fantasize about him raping like your dirty western porn acts. Who says anyone wants to force sharia laws on anybody except that propaganda star Anjem Chaudry and his followers. Now let me first ask you, do you think its moral right to tell lies about someone and accuse then of rape, just to please your mind? I know you like to think about that thats even though its wrong.
@snake1mi This is what I wrote : I am talking about a 53 year old man marrying a 6 year . When did I say she was 5 ?. Besides I am reciting what Aisha herself has said in Sahih Bukhari : I was 6 when I was married to muhammad , and he consumated his marrige when she was 9. If any of this is a lie , then you should say it to Ibn Issac or Ibn Hisham who narrated it. When a 53 years old man penetrates a 9 years old , we call it rape .
@snake1mi You said : you even fantasize about him raping like your dirty western porn acts.
No , it is muslims who are fantasizing about raping little girls . That is why Islam is full of laws about how to have sexual pleasure from a little girl.
You come here and call western women hores because they wear bicinis , you say how wrong and evil western culture is ( free sex and so on ) , yet you dont want to be criticised about pedophilia which is allowed according to quran.
@rzadan If you for once could answer just a single question, as you see i have answered your insulting question despite the fact that you ask just for the fun of mocking and disrespecting Islam. I keep saying Aisha RA was 9-10 when engaged and lived with Mohammed after the call, years later. But it seems youre just amusing yourself with your fantasy. I married (raped) when I was 19, with a 17 y old, but had to wait since she wasnt ready.
@snake1mi I answered your question. What I said about Aishas age was from your Sahih Bukhari.
But you did not answer my question Is it pedophilia if a 53 year old man marries a 9 year old girl or not. 2- Is it allowed in Islam and quran to marry a girl who has not menstruating yet , or not ?
Dont you think a simle a yes or no to these question would make it easier for both of us to continue a mature conversation ? I am looking forward to that.
@snake1mi You accused me of lying about aishas age saying that she was 5 , when in fact I had said 6. Dont you think that you owe me an appology for accusing me of lying ?
@rzadan 4, 5 or 6 whatever, its all not true. Did anyone say that she was raped except for you? Did the romans or the arameans define their marriage as rape. Also tell me, there are 13 different narration of Aisha RA age, why do you stick to the 6 vs 53? According to Ibn Sa'd, Fatime, the Pophets daughter was born 5 years before the call, and that she was 5 years older than Aisha. That makes her 9-10 years at the age of betrothal. And the marriage happened years later.
@snake1mi When muhammad died , Aisha was 18 . The consumtion of marriage was 1 year after hijra , that makes Aisha 9. You tell me that only I call it rape. Well , I do not consider a 9 year old girl mature enough to give her consent for penetration ( eventhough she knew he was a prhophet ). That is why I call it rape. One of my proof that muhammad penetrated that little girl is the fact that muslims even today are doing it and calling it sunnaton nabi , emulating him. Am I right ?
@snake1mi The only reason that muslims do not consider having sex with a 9 years old , pedophilia is because their prophet has done it . Otherwise , why are they doing it ? I have asked it from several sholars , how can you allow such despicable act ( pedophilia ) and let people penetrate 9 years old. The all answered , sunnaton nabi. So if you have any objections about Aishas age , I think you better discus it with them first.
@snake1mi It gets even worse , according to quran marrying a girl who has not started menstruating is allowed. If you think it does not says penetration , then show me a verse in quran that says after maryying a pre-pub girl , do not pentrate her until the first drop of period comes out of her vagina. Even if it would be so , is it human to rape ( call it marry and penetrate ) a girl as soon as the first drop of menstruation comes out of her ?
@snake1mi Did you know that those girls who have been treated like that ( penetrated in early age ) are destroyed mentally ( and in many cases even physically ) for the rest of their lives ? Of course nobody cares about that. Women are a tilt for men and also created to gie men pleasures . Besides , do you think such a girl dare to complain about the damages that has been done to them. Because of my job I have seen many such a cases.
@rzadan Bring the oldest Quran, and bring a Muslims with his Quran today, even far from sunnah, youd see that the Quran is the same, even the recitation. When we sy we have Boukhari, Muslim and Muatta, it doesnt mean they are all authenticated. We keep record of all ahadeeth so we can compare the sources, if some of the stories are obviously fabricated, we would know that the narrator is not trustworthy. We have something called isnad, that include rules in authenticating the hadeeth.
@snake1mi All qurans are not the same .They are 7 different pronounciations of quran but that is another subject.
You say some of ahadith are not authentic. Fine. Can I ask you then why are they still in your authentic books like Sahih Bukhari and being taught in all madrasa ? If they are corrupted , why dont you throw them out ? Why are your Imams are still teaching them as authentic hadith ?
I ask you Once again , please answer my previous 2 questions about what pedophilia is
@rzadan "All qurans are not the same .They are 7 different pronounciations of quran but that is another subject."
7 ways of reading. Not "pronunciations".
Secondly, Im going to repeat myself:
We keep record of all ahadeeth so we can compare the sources, if some of the stories are obviously fabricated, we would know that the narrator is not trustworthy. We have something called isnad, that include rules in authenticating the hadeeth. Why have sects mainly because of hadiths.
Talmud, Sanhedrin: 59a: “Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum”
105 Rabbis molesting children, Google it:
Shlomo Aviner, Rosh Yeshiva; Lewis Brenner; Ephraim Bryks; Shlomo Carlebach; Perry Ian Cohen; Yitzchak Cohen; Ephraim Goldberg; Cantor Sidney Goldenberg; Israel Grunwald; Yehudah Friedlander; Shneur Horowitz, sodomizing 9-years-old…long list
@arraba99 Let me know if I underestand you correct. So you think what is written in Talmud about peodophilia and putting the minum age of marriage 3 year is Evil ? Right ? Because I personally think it is very unhuman and evil and must be taken away from Talmud , what do you think ?
@rzadan Youre basically asking me a question like, why did Adam allow his twins to marry one another? Did he not know incest was wrong since he was a prophet and the first man? Such term didnt exist before, not even marriage existed, it was after that humans got the tradition and conventions of marriage.
@snake1mi With all do respect , Your analogy was not correct. My questions were : Is it pedophilia if a 53 year old man marries a 9 year old girl or not.( I am talking in general and in this century ) 2- Is it allowed in Islam and quran to marry a girl who has not mensturated yet , or not ?
Why do I ask these questions ? Because I want to know if we both have the same definition of evil acts . Letsforget about age of Aisha for now please.
@snake1mi Now the last question for now : Now that we know maryying a 9 year old and raping ( call it slepping ) a little girl is the worst crime After murder , why do you muslims still do it and do not concider it a crime ? The only reason is that you call it sunnaton nabi . Meaning : Since muhammad did it , so can we. so , every little girl that gets raped by muslims , is muhammads fault and god will never forgive muhammad for this ( and other crimes ) .
@rzadan Did you know that Prophet Abraham was 90 years when he married what the Christians beleve to be his sister, who was only 16 years. Alo both Christians, Muslims and Jews believe that Adams children started the tradition of marriage. Ofcourse at that time they were children born different bread. The first twins were to marry from the other twins, and from that time on, the tradition was forbidden in siblings and parents, aunts and uncles.
@snake1mi In order to judge and convict someone of a crime , we must first define that crime . Dont you think so ? Lets for one minute forget about what muhammad did. Lets see what pedophilia is . I have seen some sourse for the definition. Would you mind to look yourself ? I promise that after that we can have a very sensible disscusion.
So I ask you, why should I care if teenagers marriage doesnt suit your marriage standards when your girls loose their virginity at the earliest age, even before menstrual? You even promote early sex by giving condoms and pills. Before you look down on the Middle Eastern and 3rd world nations, you should first remove the double standards, then come and instruct ME about your new terms like Pedophilia. Marriage is a legal contract that insures the lady her rights, not like your "sex"
@snake1mi One more thing , believe it or not , I have never ever convicted muhammad as a pedophile as a person , because it was a common practice. But I condemn him to do it while claiming to be the best exemple to follow to the end of the time. My problem is with todays muslims ( most of them) who do not concider pedophilia a crime . That is why I would like to know what is the definition of pedophilia in your point of view.
@rzadan Actually, I think most westerners dont know what pedophilia or lolicon is. But lets end this right here- Its a fetish in people (who are past youth age) for immature kids who havent reached the age of puberty. IOW pre menstrual age etc.
Examples:
1. A 27 teacher who fell in love with a premature or pre-pubes boy who was only 15, but was later prosecuted.
2.An 83 years old geezer who fooled their neighbors and molested their 6 years old daughter. He was later killed by the mother
@rzadan Jesus(p.b.u.h) offered love and peace but those who came after him corrupted the Ingel(anamaric gosspil) that was given to him. have you read the bible and its terrors, most of the punishment are death, fornacation, death, breaking a single commandment death, lookin at someone with anger is the same as commenting murder, having thoughts about somebody is the same as comminting adultry, and on and on
If someone is not following this governments (yes, man made) Rules; he must be prosecuted according to the provisions of the law of the country of residence.
Anjim says "you need to look the sharia as a whole; etc. etc. etc" But what if i've already decided i'm happy with democracy, US values, European values, and am not interested in even knowing about this sharia; forget about following it. Just by looking at people like anjim;i decide the lifestyle must be repulsive. I honestly don't want to become another anjim.
@lambuponthethrone U.S constatution and islamic laws over lap, they not only do NOT contradict each other but they go hand and hand, BUT i can't say the same for the christian laws since most of the punishment are death, fornacation, death, breaking a single commandment death, lookin at someone with anger is the same as commenting murder, having thoughts(lust) about somebody is the same as committing adultry, and on and on.....the terrors are in the bible not the Quran
In the last ten years; terrorists acts in USA have all been committed by muslims with american passports. To avoid such acts in future; what should be done?
@lambuponthethrone For starts read and understand the bible more, because their are a lot of mistakes and contradictions, and don't forget as a chritian your obligated to break the first commandment..."thou shalt not have any other gods before me" said (YHVH or the father) and yet their is christians worshiping a creation instead of the creator.
OHHHHHHH YEAHHHH PERFECT BELIEF THRU ISLAM????? WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHUT UP AND KEEP ISLAM WITH YOU...ISLAM BROUGHT MESS AND MISSERY IN THIS WORLD WHILE LORD JESUS OFFERS LOVE AND PEACE.
What makes Jesus lord? he didnt know of the hour "of that hour knoweth none, neither the son but the father only" God is all knower, he doesnt have a split personality syndrome, this proves Allah is true. Islam isnt terror, it a beutiful religion.
@IMnotSAS In An Ancient Jewish Wedding, what would happen would be, After The Bridegroom and Bride were Espoused/Betrothed — The Bridegroom would say to The Bride before leaving and seeing his Bride for the last time before the consummation: “I Go To Prepare A Place For You” — And what he would do, is that he would go back to His Father’s House and he would build a room/house. He would not recieve his wife until his FATHER gave approval that the place was prepared.
@IMnotSAS Jesus was using an analogy where the body of believers as a whole were the bride and he was the bridegroom. the jews he was speaking to at that time and even jews today would've recognized that. He was quoting a traditional ceremonial announcement.
@PinoyfpsDelaCruz jesus(p.b.u.h) offer love and peace but those who came after him corrupted the Ingel(anamaric gosspil) that was given to him. have you read the bible and its terrors, most of the punishment are death, fornatation, death, breaking a single commandment death, lookin at someone with anger is the same as commenting murder, having thoughts about somebody is the same as adultry, on and on and on
Hitler a Christian? Please... If anything Hitler has much more in common with Mo. Compare the similarities of thier books. Both claim that thier groups are superior humans. Both say that thier group have a duty to claim their divinely appointed place in the world by whatever means necessary. There are many more similarities, but most striking is thier hatred of Jews. Hitler would have made a perfect muslim. You may also want to google Grand Mufti, Jerusalem and World War Two.
@kironde112 Funny is that the abomination that he did against jews was not supported by any christian, but he is seen like a hero by muslims.
Claiming to be a christian is very different than actually being a christian. Being a christian is trying to be like Christ. The act of killing someone is not supported by the teachings of Jesus Christ, therefore it's not fair to blame Christianity. On the other hand, when you BEHEAD someone for leaving the Islamic faith, you are supported by Muhammad.
@humbleman9 WRONG!!! hitler was supported by the pope of vatican church. get your facts straight or do some searching. hitler and the pope used to visit eachother. throughout history, christians have always killed jews and exiled them from their lands. how did jews end up in europe? ROMANS bullied them even when jesus was among jews and before he came to live among them. Our religion dosen't kill someone because he/she left islam. read the quran properly. and not follow stories from men.
Strong allegations that you need to prove. I can prove what I say. How about you?
Marocco may not have worked with Hitler but the muslim brotherhood did. Speaking it terms of the Umma, muslims do not have a nationality but associate themselfes only by islam as one muslim nation. Therefore if marocco or any other state worked with hitler is secondary. Important is the fact that the muslim world did.
The biography of Hitler is another proof that he never was a Christian. Read it !!!
Nazi documents that were not destroyed proved that Hitler persecuted those Christians who did not comply, whereas the conformist "Christians" he has left is peace. In other words, Hitler never was a Christian but fought any type of religion because its fascism that he wanted people to worship. Same phenomenon did the socialists establish in their states after WWII.
1:23 Hitler was a Christian. He was very superstitious. He had fascists running all over the world looking for religious relics with supposedly magical powers.
0:53 Women had complete equal rights for the first time in all recorded history (and more rights when it came to divorce in a marriage with children) in the Soviet Union in 1918 and when it came to violence on women, the Soviet authorities were merciless.
0:52 Would the Islamic Shariya system not be based upon the capitalist mode of property, production and exchange? If not, on what system would it be based? I only know of 2 systems with various deviations or perversions. Those being capitalist and communism. Is allah going to come down and invent a new system?
0:35 Muslims didn't conquer the Roman Empire you moron! It was the Germanic tribes (which also smashed the Roman armies in North Africa) and Muslims had absolutely nothing to do with it.
The guy lost credibility when he talked about nuking them at 19:16. Why would Russian or USA or German or Chinese armies need to nuke them? Muslims organizations or countries are backward and weak.
If the demise of Islamic hegemony is all due to Britain, France and the US, how come their 'Golden Age' ended 1,000 years ago??? These Muzzies are deluded idealist liars. The fact is that the advanced civilisations Islamic bandits conquered eventually became as their Arab slaver conquerors. No Muslim country has contributed anything, let alone innovation, to the modern world BECAUSE of Islam - Islam RELIES on brainless theft and slavery. Period.
@ritchloui Islam during the earlier years contributed very significantly, but during modern times, I think most people would agree with me that they are unable to advance when they have been in a war zone for decades against NATO forces. The United Arab Emirates is advancing. Look up Masdar city. What about Iran's fastest scientific publications in the world? There is much more than that. You're a complete idiot for claiming that no Muslim country has contributed anything.
@TheComputerEngineer Islam hasn't contributed anything for 1,000 years - because it finally killed the goose that laid the golden egg. Islam has to keep raiding and conquering other peoples because it can't produce anything itself. It relies ENTIRELY on other people's skills, expertise and hard work. Mohammed was a bandit, thief and slaver - that's it, and Islam was the ideology of his bandit culture.
@ritchloui Muslims* have contributed significantly for centuries. You've just been living in a cave for too long to realize that. Stealing land? Israel is the best at stealing land, murdering people and being greedy. Islam teaches to give to the needy. You're just spewing out all these words that have nothing to do with the faith.
@TheComputerEngineer Hahahaha. Look at a map and amongst the huge Islamic countries there is a tiny, tiny dot called Israel. Talk about a fly in the eye and you can't see the herd of elephants. What a twat.
@ritchloui There were many more Muslims and a few very greedy Zionist Israeli's. There is a reason why people leave Judaism and many people convert to Islam. No, it's not because Islam advocates violence but the complete opposite. I looked up that the conversion rate for Muslims and it increased after 9/11. People started looking up if Islam is really as MSM claim and it's not. Islam has flaws, and I'm not denying that. Christianity is still the most conversion rated but Islam is getting there.
@TheComputerEngineer As you know, Islam is nothing but lies from start to finish. Religion of peace; run by throat slitting, apostate killing, flogging, maiming, mutilating, stoning and beheading slavers. Yummy, it sounds such fun. Women in sacks so we can't see their clipped noses and ears. Fantastic. Men having 4 wives and any number of slave girls for their pleasure. They can beat their wives, kill their daughters and old men can marry tiny little girls, forced marriages. Sounds fabulous.
@ritchloui All those ridiculous claims have been long debunked by many Muslims. These claims have been spread by Muslim bashers and many if not all are not true. Look at any credible Muslim source and you will see this. I persuade anyone here to google it for yourself and don't believe what some idiot bashers tell you just to justify all these wars. This nonsense is so ridiculous. I think Islam would be dead by now if that was the case. I can see that these claims have long been debunked.
@TheComputerEngineer I generally stick to the Koran and the Hadiths for my opinions about Islam. Qur’an 8:7 ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’
Qur’an 2:191 “...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them”
Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”
Quran 4:24 And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. ie rape slave women at will.
@ritchloui I remember the first verse. That verse has already been debunked. The thing is, it's a book so it's not just one statement. It's referring to a previous statement. One second, let me find it. All of these have been debunked by the way.
@ritchloui "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And kill them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
@TheComputerEngineer This sounds very reasonable except for the fact that Mohammed and his gang of thugs actively went on warring campaigns against everyone within reach. It is not sufficient for him simply to have sent a warning; believe in me or we attack! From whence had he and his new religion been 'turned out' when they enslaved the people of Africa, castrated them and used them to conquer peoples of other distant lands? In effect, "if people resist, kill them". No peace here I'm afraid.
@ritchloui I don't believe that. I don't want to research all this right now but I've seen a few Muslim scholars denounce those claims. I remember a scholar was explaining that Muhammad once said to not kill the people who surrendered in war right after they won. Something along those lines. The only real thing that people could really come up with of subjugating non-Muslims was Jizya tax and even that was somewhat reasonable. I don't think it's necessary to follow Sharia because it's just a law
@ritchloui What I mean is Sharia law isn't the actual faith. The main belief is their holy book, the Qur'an. I have seen Muslims in America and almost all of them are the nicest people you will ever meet in your life. I feel bad that there are people who would use misconceptions about a religion that they know very little about just to help their presidential political campaigns and benefit war profiteers. Wars are hurting our economy, and we should lead by example, not by force.
@TheComputerEngineer I don't think you realize the power of tyranny and fear. Islam, just like Christianity, has some very powerful threats in its arsenal. Whilst the Roman Church had control (the Dark and Middle Ages) EVERYONE believed - lest they suffer torture and death in the here and now or for eternity. It really has only been in the last 100 years or so that ANYONE has been able to openly reject the entire fraud. Even communism had its faithful whilst millions were being slaughtered.
@ritchloui I think all religions have some kind of criticism. There are plenty of misconceptions and fabrications out there to demean others. They are wide spread to justify crimes and profit. People actually attempt to take verses out of context to make money too.
@TheComputerEngineer The point about religion is it is little more than a protection racket. It relies on the first rule of the con man; have faith. Do not be skeptical, inquiring, quizzical or rigorous. The harder something is to believe the greater, and presumably marvelous, your 'faith'. The questions of justice, wisdom and how to lead a fulfilling life have been far better explored by freely thinking and contemplative debate than immovable dogmas that any idiot can regurgitate as a parrot.
@ritchloui True. I do admit that there are lunatics out there who would interpret the verses just to justify doing a certain crime but I believe these people are criminals and not actually religious people. Any real religious person wouldn't commit such evil acts because then it would be in the name of Satan.
If the US is truly as wicked as these morons claim, it could have used its devastating military power to rape the land of Arabia and get its oil for free as the Islamic ancestors did under the banner of spreading Islam! Or probably is it American evil foreign policy that saved millions of Muslims in Kosovo and is trying to do the same in Darfur? Or is it the evil Americans who saved Kuwait from the Iraqi vicious despot Saddam Hussein?
@ritchloui Are you kidding? The United States has been bombing and murdering thousands of people in Iraq and Afghanistan, before 9/11. We did nothing but benefit war profiteers, set up puppet governments and military bases all around their country. You don't see them attacking China and Russia. You obviously don't know of the term blowback, because if you did you wouldn't make such stupid remarks.
@TheComputerEngineer Oh get over yourself. Islam has done NOTHING creative or constructive with all the oil wealth that's been pouring out of the ground. All it's done is export its slaving, sex cult and banditry. The Islamic countries produce LESS between them than even the smallest European country. Islam's brightest and best memorize the second rate repetitive rantings of Mo the
Most women in the west have unhappy life & are treated as sex objects. Islam gives woman respect & shield her from Man's exploitation - stats:
1: 1 in 4 girls are molested; For boys 1 in 7
2: Anorexia is no longer just a teenager problem; Women in their 40's are now dying from it
3: 50% of men & 33% of women cheat on their spouse
4: 40% divorce rate – real number is 70%
5: With break of families, teenagers/children are committing unspeakable crimes
75% of western converts to Islam are Women
arraba99 16 hours ago
@arraba99 You have to be kidding me, Islam teaches that when a man dies he gets 72 or so virgins in heaven for the men to have sex with as much as they want, what do women get in heaven? nothing thats right, and also women in Islam r worth that half of a man, what u say is beyond ignorant to even think that women would be treated better in islam. In Christianity both men and women r equal in Gods eyes, and both will receive the same in heaven, I hope u get a chance to read & study the Bible.
WakeupFreinds 15 hours ago
@WakeupFreinds "You have to be kidding me, Islam teaches that when a man dies he gets 72 or so virgins in heaven for the men to have sex with as much as they want, what do women get in heaven?"
This is not true... as you've put it.
AminThePoet 45 minutes ago
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@WakeupFreinds "and also women in Islam r worth that half of a man, what u say is beyond ignorant to even think that women would be treated better in islam."
Really? And where does it say that....
"In Christianity both men and women r equal in Gods eyes, and both will receive the same in heaven, I hope u get a chance to read & study the Bible."
Ur claim only. Every religion claims that.
AminThePoet 43 minutes ago
Most of christians from Middle East were ether killed , converted to islam or they had to run out of their country !
Remember the whole Middle Easst was once christian, Byzantin Empire !
nonshari 5 days ago
@nonshari And what are you chirping about so suddenly. Your crusaders killed and plundered Arabs indiscriminately, Muslims, Christians and Jews. You did it again in Iraq, because of your stupid war over oil. Bunch of warhungry basterd wants to invade us and teach us their morals. Also the stupidity of believing just one of many version of a story, and refuse to believe in other stories. You believe Aisha was 3 years old, ok. But do you believe that Muhammed split the moon forexample?
snake1mi 5 days ago
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here are 4 Contradiction in quran # 1. sura 22:47. 32:5 one day=1,000 yrs. against sura 70:4 one day = 50,000 years. Which one is right according to quran. #2. 25:54 man made from water.96:1-2 from clot.15:26 from clay or mud.32:7 clay.38:71 mire. 55:14 clay 30:20 & 35:11dust. Which one is man made from.#3. 2:109 treat non muslims with kindness & 9:29 kill them where ever you find them. #439:4 could GOD have Son? 6.100-1. I GAVE YOU 4 CONTRADICTIONS. JESUS LOVES YOU. WAKE UP
33heis 1 week ago
If this criminal ( Anjem the gay Choudary ) loves sharia so much , why doesnt he go to live in one Islamic country ?. because he knows himself how horrible sharia is. he is just using that to get money without working . Living like a parasite. Just like what most of the muslims do.
rzadan 1 week ago
@rzadan I dont care about that stupid chadry who dont even understand what sharia is and even what juhad is, he is the one that spreads his twisted understanding of jihad. Jihad is to fight for your right when you are forced out of your home for no reason but believin in God. Did UK drive us away from our homes? NO! And to answer that stupid claim about 80-600 million Hindus killed by sword. Youve fallen to the trap, it was a missionary joke. Westerners still massacred 100 mill native americans
snake1mi 1 week ago
LOL.. silly muslims.. if malaysia implies sahriah law..i'll run for my life!
AngryRobot87 3 weeks ago
More Peace, less beards.
FeldwebelWolfenstool 3 weeks ago
I challenge every one to read the so called "harsh verse in the quran" and just, not only do you not have to read it in its context, just finish that same sentence, the same sentince because in the same sentence it usally dismiss the punishment (which are the most is 100 slashes for adultory) in that same sentince saying "But if that person were to repent it would be wise and Allah is the most merciful and gracious" their is no such thing as stoning. stoning has to do with culture not religion
abashammusba 1 month ago
@abashammusba Islam is culture, religion and political system all rolled into one. Your messiah is my Antichrist. Yahova is not Allah because Yahova has a Son but Allah has 3 daughters. Yahshua will arive at Busirah and he will slaughter all you muslims who seek to steal and divide up his land and take it from his children Israel and his adopted children christianity. Your messiah comes and he has the spirit of Muhammad in him which is reincarnation and is witchcraft.
lonewolf19792000 3 weeks ago
@lonewolf19792000 Seek help. Seriously.
snake1mi 1 week ago
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@lonewolf19792000 are you hearing yourself...it's fine though because in the end All you can say is bla bla bla...
" He (Allah almighty) it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion / way of life, however much the unbelievers detest."
(Qur'an 9:33)
"So, be patient. Surely Allah’s promise is true, and let not the disbelievers shake your firmness ."
(Qur'an 30:60)
abashammusba 1 week ago
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constation and islamic laws over lap, they not only NOT contradict each other but they go hand and hand, BUT i can't say the same for the christian law since most of the punishment are death, fornacation, death, breaking a single commandment death, lookin at someone with anger is the same as commenting murder, having thoughts about somebody is the same as comminting adultry, and on and on.....the terrors are in the bible not the Quran
abashammusba 1 month ago
muslims are not the problem, we have been around for 1400 years watching christians launch war and kill each othe war after war time after time( ww2 has the worlds record for most kill) and crusades, cold war, civil war on and on and on, but i guess lets just dismiss them, and by the way the U.S constatution which were largely written and inspired by diest, splecidly said "protection of "islam" under the U.S constatution" and by the way the constation and islamic laws over lap
abashammusba 1 month ago 2
doomsday will not come by an asteroid hitting the earth or climate change. It will come by muslims. That is if we do not get prepared.
rzadan 1 month ago
@rzadan Muslims have been around for 1400 years don't you think if it was by Muslims that it would have already been happen. i suggest you read the bible more and find out which "religion" contins "DOOMSDAY".
abashammusba 1 month ago
@abashammusba Just wait until they get the power. Already now there has been 18,500 terrorist atacks and more than 1,500,000 people killed by muslims , since 911 . Muslims are killing more people every year than spanish inquisision during 350 years, Can you show me a single religion who is killing so much people? And muslims have no power now. Imagine what they are capable of if they have the power. Only ex-muslims like me know how muslims are thinking.
rzadan 1 month ago 2
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@rzadan muslims are not the problem, we have been around for 1400 years watching christians launch war and kill each othe war after war time after time( ww2 has the worlds record for most kill)and crusades, cold war, civil war on and on and on, but i guess lets just dismiss them, and by the way the U.Sconstatution which were largely written and inspired by diest, splecidly said "protection of "islam" under the U.S constatution" and by the way the constatution and islamic laws go togther
abashammusba 1 month ago
@rzadan WW1, WW2, Hiroshima & Nagasaki, Palestine, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq. 9/11 was never proved, yet they bombed the hell out of Afghanistan. Hitler killed because of his ideology which was a mix of socialism/fascism and darwinism. Do we have a "burna an origin of species day" or "burn a mein kampf day"? Why did the Muslims SUDDENLY become the massmurderers, did the west just wake up, or did they fuck up so much they earned themselves enemies in the middle east?
snake1mi 1 week ago
@snake1mi Nobody denies what Hitler has done. But he was a much better person than mohammad . Becaus he did not rape any body and he was not a pedophile. Why is it that whenever you show muslims how evil Islam is , they start complaining about other evil things. You muslims have killed millions of Budhists . Did they kill you back ? You have killed 80 million Hindus last century. ( more than WW I and WW II together) . If muslims had nuclear , they would have killed billions.
rzadan 1 week ago
@rzadan Muhammed NEVER raped anyone, not him nor the rest of the Muslims in his time, stop protecting that pig hitler. 80 mill Hindus? Look at how desperate you are. Serbians were cleaning Joguslavia ethnically from Muslims, I bet you enjoyed every part of that, the kind of Hitler, neo nazis who have new target now, Muslims.
snake1mi 1 week ago
@snake1mi Mohammad raped Safia , Rayhana , Juvariyah . Those are what we know of. He was also a pedophile , Aisha was 9 when he slept with her ( that is also a rape). Muslims used to kill Christian Serbs in Joguslavia ( during ww II ) . Throwing their kids down the mountain and calling it , flying Christian. I know people from there. As for Hindus , you better study the history. Muslims are still killing them . Muslims even kill muslims. Yesterday they killed 50 .
rzadan 1 week ago
@rzadan "Mohammad raped Safia , Rayhana , Juvariyah . Those are what we know of. He was also a pedophile , Aisha was 9 when he slept with her ( that is also a rape). "
Look at your disgusting made up lies.... hate monger.
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@AminThePoet After attacking the pitty tribe of Khaybar , killing many of them and enslavint the rest , mohammad tortured Kinana , the husband of safia , in order to find the hiden tresure . Then he killed him. The same night he raped ( read it married ) Safia . Sahih muslim page 419. I am gettging tired of teaching you your own religion. Go and learn it yourself. After that , come back and defend it. Sahih muslim is not written by Jews or USA . ( just for your information)..
rzadan 1 week ago
@rzadan "I am gettging tired of teaching you your own religion. Go and learn it yourself."
See how you lie .... you lie about Quran at every turn... the number of times I have exposed you - just today 5 mins ago.... yet see how you lie.
Someone who cannot even speak either Arabic or English..... yet what Islam have you learned?
Other than reading Christian Propaganda from Rober Spencer.... and his lies.
As usual u didn't bother to give references as you know that will expose ur lies
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@rzadan See - that is why you do not bother to give references.... I have to ask numerous times... when you do .... it always turns out that you have lied....
you have left a full history of it here on YouTube. Always available to all interested.
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@rzadan Yet in arrogance and lies and hate ... you claim somehow to know Islam.
But under inspection .... you turn out to be a liar and hate monger.
Now add some references to what you are claiming and lets see... dont change the subject... and odnt make up more personal lies about me.
And we will solve this lying campaign of yours here....
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@AminThePoet The refrence :Sahih Muslim page 419. There you will see that muhamMAD tortured a jew called Kinana for finding his tresure , then killed him. At the same night he raped that pitty mans wife called Safia. In the same book ( sahih Muslim ) you can find that muhamMAD has done it 2 more times , to girls called Rayhana , Juvariyah ( killed their husbands and then raped their wives the same night ). MuhamMAD was also a pedophile . He raped Aisha at the age of 9. Now , Where did I lie ?
rzadan 1 week ago
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@rzadan "The refrence :Sahih Muslim page 419. There you will see that muhamMAD tortured a jew called Kinana for finding his tresure , then killed him. At the same night he raped that pitty mans wife called Safia...."
Again ... no reference - just a bogus page number.... see how you delay and lie and divert.
See the games you play? Look at yourself - when you are cornered what do you do?
Personal attacks and lies. Hate monger....
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@rzadan Quit playing games... either give proper references - or all this again is another bunch of your lies.
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@rzadan watch?v=dbz2ZC59_yw&lc
Anyone interested here is an example of his lying... and see how it is exposed. 1st he was claiming something else... then he changed it. By the time he gave a reference from Quran... it had changed to something else.
He has done this many many times....
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@AminThePoet All I said about mohamMAD raping Safia , is written in muslims own history book called Sahih Muslim page 419. Dont take my word for it , go and read it yourself. You are just accusing everybody liar , because that is what you are yourself. I have given you a refrence from your own books ( not written by Jews or Americans ) . Then answer me. The thing is that u know mohammad was a pedophile and rapist. But you defend him because you are probably the same yourself.
rzadan 1 week ago
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@rzadan "Sahih Muslim page 419"
All books are printed differently... why don't you give out proper reference... That is done by giving out Hadith ref and link. What site are you using. Which Hadith no? What chapter.
"You are just accusing everybody liar , because that is what you are yourself."
You are a liar and I can prove it - who is everybody? I have exposed with proof your lies? You turn... one lie? An example...
See hate monger even this in itself is a lie.
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@rzadan "But you defend him because you are probably the same yourself."
See - you attack people personally making up personal lies... that is evidence of how insecure lonely and consumed with hate you are .... that is why from day one I have termed you rightly the hate monger.
You make up lie after lie after lie... and get exposed.
You have ABSOLUTELY no shame at all..... look the lies you have committed.
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@AminThePoet Of course I attack you personally. Your book , quran , calls me ( non muslim ) bastard , less than dogs and u defend it. Why shouldnt I insult you ? Besides , you support quran when it says that maryying a girl who has not started mensturating yet is ok , and raping non-muslim women captured in a war is ok. ( refrences ? read your evil quran ) .
And u want refrences , u must first accept these things are evil. If you do not believ it , what is the point then ?
rzadan 1 week ago
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@rzadan "Of course I attack you personally."
U admit it. Ad hominem is illogical. This is not done at all... that is why I call you hate monger... because you are consumed with it. You need professional psychological help.
"Your book , quran , calls me ( non muslim ) bastard , less than dogs and u defend it. "
More lies. Baseless as well.
"Besides , you support quran when it says that maryying a girl who has not started mensturating yet is ok "
Again evidence?
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@rzadan ""and raping non-muslim women captured in a war is ok. ( refrences ? read your evil quran ) .""
Again no reference give... meaning you made it up.
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"And u want refrences , u must first accept these things are evil. If you do not believ it , what is the point then ?"
Are really that unintelligent? References are given to prove what you are saying is true... here you ur self admit u are lying.
That is why u avoid giving references. You make up things - childish lies.
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@AminThePoet You have not got the point yet. Do you think by asking you about that hypothetical ( or our compaign !) religion , I am trying to tease you ? No . I want to show you that things that are evil for normal people , are not evil for muslims. Killing is evil but muslims think if they do it , then it is ok. Insulting others ( calling them bastards and etc ) is evil . but muslims think if thy are doing the insulting , then it is ok. So we must first agree on what evil is .
rzadan 1 week ago
@rzadan "You have not got the point yet. Do you think by asking you about that hypothetical ( or our compaign !) religion "
Who is our? There is only you .... stick to your own self.
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Again .... you lie so many times - and i have caught you lying so many times. It is you who is mentally disturbed and a hate monger - hence you are the real evil.
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@AminThePoet You told me to be shamed . Wo shall be shamed ? Me or someone who is defending a pedophile ? You muslims think that it is ok to rape a 9 year old girl and then you want me to be shamed for calling you a pedophile ? You got some nerve.
I told you about that hypothetical religion ( or our compaign ) , the point is if we are both agreed in what evil is. Maybe you can prove that those things are not evil . Then you win. So lets see what evil is first.
rzadan 1 week ago
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@rzadan "You muslims think that it is ok to rape a 9 year old girl and then you want me to be shamed for calling you a pedophile ? You got some nerve."
More lies - and baseless lies. Look at how you lie as well... shamelessly.
You don't even have concept of truth... look at what you previously said about giving references & evidence for your lies.
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"I told you about that hypothetical religion ( or our compaign ) , the point is if we are both agreed in what evil is"
who is our?
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@rzadan You are seriously one confused individual.... you make up lies. When I ask for evidence you do your best to avoid answering.
You need professional help.
AminThePoet 1 week ago
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@rzadan ""I want to show you that things that are evil for normal people , are not evil for muslims. Killing is evil but muslims think if they do it ""
All these are made up lies.... by you. You dont even know who you are...
when it suits you - you claim to be ex-Muslim. Then you say you are not. Then you lie about Quran. Then you say you know five languages. Then you don't
I think there is something wrong with you. You are probably really lonely that is why you troll on internet.
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@rzadan I really pity you ... it is sad. You are probably a lonely person. No friends or life...
stop "trolling". I doubt you have much education... poorly paid job.... and etc. So go away and live your life
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@rzadan Hahahaha, so you actually trying to say you believe in these stories about arabs early marriage tradition? Mrriage is not rape. If you believe in this sick lies, i suppose you claim its from hadeeths, then you also believe in the hadeeth where Muhammed split the moon.
Islamophobi is a serious desease. Seek help. 80 million Hindus, lol, why dont you include 900 millions Spaniards as well since Muslims ruled Andalous (Spain).
snake1mi 1 week ago
@snake1mi Most of the muslims I talk to , dont know about their own religion. I am an ex-muslim. Was born a muslim. I know all about it. Now , I ask you : Is that allowed to marry a girl who is only 9 , 10 or 11 according to Islam or not ? What does quran say about marrying a girl who has not started to menstruate yet ? How old was Aisha when muhammad married her ?. Answer these question , so we can continue. Then we talk about hindus and also shia , who are still being killed.
rzadan 1 week ago
@rzadan You mean Syrians getting killed.My great grandmother, married when she was 12.Different times different traditions. But to answer the Question,it is allowed to be betrothed (engaged) from early age, example parents can plan for their child to marry with their close friends child, even if they are both still kids, BUT not marriage. I believe that people asked Aishas hand already at 6, but her father refused and she was betrothed later at 9 or 10, then moved when she got menstrual
snake1mi 1 week ago
@snake1mi Finally after long time I get a message from someone who wants to reason. Thank you. I fully agree with you : Different times , different tradition. The problem is that a prophet should not have done it , cuz he did that act perpetual. First of all , do you think that a 6 year old girl is mature enough to choose her husband ( a 51 year old man )? Do you think as soon as a girl starts menstruating , it is ok to sleep with her ? ( I am talikng about 21 century)
rzadan 1 week ago
@rzadan "Most of the muslims I talk to , dont know about their own religion."
This is another lie... only people who accept you are extreme haters - that is why you go to racist sites and leave hate filled messages - such as all Muslims are parasites and should be killed.
Anywhere else... even non Muslims are against your views and speak out....
Most Muslims see through your lies in 2 minutes and answer back really well.
Evidence? Check his profile.
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@rzadan Sexual intercourse with a 6 years old? Arent you exaggerating a bit? I mean even the early pharao Egyptians married at 8. Early marriage is still practiced today, in countries like Yemen and Bahrain. But usually girls and boys over 12 years! Not just between Muslims.. As I said the age of Aisha when betrothedwas 9 or 10, but marriage happened years later. Anyways, fact, did you know that in Melanesia the parents sepparate their children at 8, because they fear they might "cuddle"
snake1mi 1 week ago
@rzadan Oh, to answer the question, no, nobody can be married at 6, and no sane man would want his kid daughter to be with a man so early in her life. Abu Bakr was pleased with Muhammed and loved him more than a brother, thats why he wanted his daughter Aisha to be married to Muhammed, thats why he reserved her for Muhammed. In time of war, bandits were kidnapping even the small girls, Arab men wished to protect their girls by giving them for marriage even at 10 years!
snake1mi 1 week ago
@snake1mi Mohammad was engaged to Aisha when she was 6 and raped ( read it slept with) her when she was 9. Tell me , Is a 6 years old mature enough to shoose her partner ?
There is a lot to talk about . But if you do not mind I would like to clear one thing : What is pedophilia ? I mean in this century. Can you define pedophilia for me ? Once again , I am only talking about theses days and not 1400 years ago. After that we can talk about Aisha .
rzadan 1 week ago
@rzadan Didnt I answer you already? Aisha was betrothed when at 9, and moved to Mohammed a couple of years later. What does raping have anything to do with legal marriage in consent of the lady, her family and the rest of the tribe. Did she had to ask Colombus or GW for his blessing so it would be a legal marriage by american standards? Pedophilia is relationship between immature and mature individuals.Arab couple married at 12 and 14 years old, both just kids, but they were mature nough
snake1mi 1 week ago
@snake1mi I am talking about 21 century , not arabs at 1400 years ago and not about Aisha (not yet any way). Besides , now you changed your version. You said yourself that they engaged when Aisha was only 6 ( even Aisha herself has said that , see shahih Bukhari ) , and then you said that muhammad slept with her when she was 9 , which is also correct according to Sahi Bukhari . So , If someone asks you: what is pedophilia i general ? Are u going to talk about Aisha ? Please define pedophilia.
rzadan 1 week ago
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@rzadan "I am talking about 21 century , not arabs at 1400 years ago and not ..."
No you are not ... what else is ur comments about?
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@rzadan No, I said she was betrothed at the age of 9-10, and moved into Mohammed a couple of years later, (when she got her menstr), please dont dodge my comments, read them so we can discussing things properly. I also defined for you what pedophilia is, so again, please dont dodge my comments. The older comments go down when you post a new one.
snake1mi 1 week ago
@snake1mi Believe me , your comments are one of those few that I read with respect. But please lets get somewhere with discussion. Why dont you want to define pedophilia by todays standard ? Maybe if you do that , the whole case would be over and we would not have to accuse muhammad of pedophilia any more. Is sleeping a 51 or 53 year old man with a 9 or 10 or 11 year old girls concidered pedophilia today ( TODAY) or not ?
Once again I am begging you to define this word , please.
rzadan 1 week ago
@rzadan I already defined it for you 2 timesToday, if someone were to marry a 4-11 years old, is ofcourse, OFCOURSE! WRONG!And against the laws in all of middle east. Back then it was NORMAL and PRACTICED, AND NOT JUST BY MUSLIMS. BUT NOW/TODAY, its wrong and against the law. The minimum age Ive heard of is 11, but was not done through the court, but by 2 witnesses and a bearded man. to make things worse, the girl didnt want it! A. He/She has to be a mature. B He/She must gve consent.
snake1mi 1 week ago
@snake1mi That Mohamed continued a bad practice and didnt end that ,the fact that there is no punishment for pedophilia in islam makes Mohamed a false prophet . Islam sucks !
nonshari 5 days ago
@snake1mi What you wrote is not the definition of pedophilia by todays standard . Sleeping ( or marrying ) with a girl younger than 13 by a boy who is at least 18 or older is concidered pedophilia today. I also agree that marrying with girls at age of 9 was commono practice 1400 years ago ( that does not make it morally right , but that is another discusion ). My question is : why is it still allowed according to Islam to marry a gril who has not started mensturating yet ?
rzadan 5 days ago
@rzadan Why do you want to force todays "morals" on other culture backward in time? Its also weird how people think that 13 with 18 is tabu TODAY, but 13 with 17 is ok. Trust me, in Norway you have 10 years old girls with 13-16 y o boys. And I dont know who told you that Muslims practice pre menstrual marriage. But Ive never heard of such case, except in extreme raping cases. Its like, anal sex is not allowed. But some Muslims do it, but that doesnt make it ISLAMIC.
snake1mi 5 days ago
@snake1mi You say : And I dont know who told you that Muslims practice pre menstrual marriage. But Ive never heard of such case, except in extreme raping cases. Its like.
Your beloved Quran allows this. It says : if a pre mensturated girl divorces her husband , she must wait 3 monthes in order to be able to marry again ( this is called idda ) . This is in your quran. Now : 1- It does not say that the girl must wait to start menturating , no , it says : just keep idda . 2- CONTD
rzadan 5 days ago
@snake1mi CONTD 2- This verse is a clear permision to marry a pre mens girl. That is why all Imams are agreed that there is no lower age limit for a girl to marry. 3- I know u want to say this is only engagement and not about sex . where does in quran says that ? The fact that quran wants her to keep idda is a proof tat it does not mind sex with such a girl. 4- Is a 6 or 12 or 13 years old gir mature enough to choose her husband ? Muslims dont care about this , the father decides.
rzadan 5 days ago
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@rzadan " Is a 6 or 12 or 13 years old gir mature enough to choose her husband ? Muslims dont care about this , the father decides."
Sadly, you are right on this one. Im even ashamed to say that.because of my uncle, my sister coulnt marry the man she wanted, and she was 23. Why?Just because it wasnt him who found the guy for her. But they got married after everyone in the family intervened and convinced him, including me. And also, it was thanks to her stubborn husband who never gave up on her
snake1mi 5 days ago
@rzadan The ladies consent is the most important, and a 15 years old today is still a amall girl, and she might only give her "yes" to move away from her folks thinking that "its time". Secondly, agreement or arrangement of future marriage is not engagement, its more like an oath sort of thing. But if the girl doesnt want it, and her folks forces her, then hellfire is there waiting for the sinners. Remember, dont think Islam says hellfire is only for disbelievers, also Muslims will get punished
snake1mi 5 days ago
@snake1mi Please read about the definition of pedophilia in wikipedia or other places and then we talk.
You say : Why do you want to force todays "morals" on other culture backward in time?
Reply : I dont. I condemn mohammad who called himself the best exemple to follow and by doing this he perpetuated this dispicable act. Did not he know that pedophilia will someday will be a despicable crime ? ( A true prophet would know ). A 53 year old sleeping with a 9 year old is sick.
rzadan 5 days ago
@rzadan "Did not he know that pedophilia will someday will be a despicable crime ? ( A true prophet would know )."
True, if this was the case. However, the Prophet legally married Abu Bakrs daughter, asked her hand from Abu Bakr and his wife, both gave him their consent. Aisha was only lets go with your version, 9 years, but gave her consent knowing that she would be the Prophets woman. A few years later their marriage was blessed by the whole Muslim tribe, when she was 14, (remember the war)
snake1mi 5 days ago
@rzadan "Did not he know that pedophilia will someday will be a despicable crime ? ( A true prophet would know )."
True, if this was the case. However, the Prophet legally married Abu Bakrs daughter, asked her hand from Abu Bakr and his wife, both gave him their consent. Aisha was only lets go with your version, 9 years, but gave her consent knowing that she would be the Prophets woman. A few years later their marriage was blessed by the whole Muslim tribe, when she was 14, (remember the war)
snake1mi 5 days ago
@snake1mi The way muhammad married Aisha is another discusion.We will come back to that.
The question is why did he perpetuated pedophilia ? Prophets come to destroy immoral values of humans . But muhammad made slavery , pedophila and other thing legal until the end of the time. That is not accepted from a person who claims to be a prophet. If it was not for him , in Islamic country pedophilia would be a crime now , like in the west.
rzadan 5 days ago
@rzadan Yes its a crime if the authority finds out about marriage below the sexual age, which is 15, 16 or 18, each country is different. In Norway its 16, but you get pills from 12 years. You understand where Im going, right? If a 14-15 years old sleeps with a 16 or 25 years old, its the same, Have I not answered you 10 times already? What does old Arabic marriage custom got anything with child abuse and fetish for children? Besides why are you so interested only? Isnt there anything else?
snake1mi 5 days ago
@snake1mi The definistion pedophilia ( partly ) : the boy must be at least five years older than the underage. For exemple. If a 12 years girl sleeps with a 15 years old boy , it is not considered pedophila. But if an 18 years old sleeps with the same girl , then it is called pedophilia. Now , it makes it clear that if a 40 year old man marries a 12 years old , he is comitting pedophilia . Are we agreed on this or not ? ( no matter which country in. Ethically)
rzadan 4 days ago
@rzadan Moot point.Think back 1400 years ago,Ive never heard of anyone telling Muhammed, that he has committed a shameful act, not Romans, Persians or Koptians. Why did you just wake up just now, in the 20th century? Ill tell you why, because you want to prove your arguments. it wasnt seen as a sin, and I still see teenagers marry guys in their 20s and even 40s. Each tradition doesnt have to follow western standards and conventions. Abraham married a teenager, it wasnt a sin or shameful
snake1mi 4 days ago
@snake1mi I am not talking about a 20 years old girl marrying a 50 years old man. I am talking about a 53 year old man marrying a 6 year old girl and then raping her at age of 9. Is such a marriage pedophilia or not ? ( I am not talking about a certain person yet. The question is in general ).
Besides roman called muhammad evil. Havent you seen the famous painting of 9 th cnetury in Italy , with muhammad in hell being tortured ?
rzadan 4 days ago
@snake1mi The problem with muslims is that they have different values about evil things. Things which are evil for normal humans , are sometimes even divine for muslims. That is why we want them to take their religion and sharia back to their beloved Islamic countries and practice it there. If you come here you must follow our standards . That is what non-muslims do when they come to Islamic countries and want to live there. Isnt that fair ?
rzadan 4 days ago
@rzadan Why do you keep telling lies? I already told you the age she was engaged, 9. But you keep saying 5, and you even fantasize about him raping like your dirty western porn acts. Who says anyone wants to force sharia laws on anybody except that propaganda star Anjem Chaudry and his followers. Now let me first ask you, do you think its moral right to tell lies about someone and accuse then of rape, just to please your mind? I know you like to think about that thats even though its wrong.
snake1mi 4 days ago
@snake1mi This is what I wrote : I am talking about a 53 year old man marrying a 6 year . When did I say she was 5 ?. Besides I am reciting what Aisha herself has said in Sahih Bukhari : I was 6 when I was married to muhammad , and he consumated his marrige when she was 9. If any of this is a lie , then you should say it to Ibn Issac or Ibn Hisham who narrated it. When a 53 years old man penetrates a 9 years old , we call it rape .
rzadan 3 days ago
@snake1mi You said : you even fantasize about him raping like your dirty western porn acts.
No , it is muslims who are fantasizing about raping little girls . That is why Islam is full of laws about how to have sexual pleasure from a little girl.
You come here and call western women hores because they wear bicinis , you say how wrong and evil western culture is ( free sex and so on ) , yet you dont want to be criticised about pedophilia which is allowed according to quran.
rzadan 3 days ago
@rzadan If you for once could answer just a single question, as you see i have answered your insulting question despite the fact that you ask just for the fun of mocking and disrespecting Islam. I keep saying Aisha RA was 9-10 when engaged and lived with Mohammed after the call, years later. But it seems youre just amusing yourself with your fantasy. I married (raped) when I was 19, with a 17 y old, but had to wait since she wasnt ready.
snake1mi 4 days ago
@snake1mi I answered your question. What I said about Aishas age was from your Sahih Bukhari.
But you did not answer my question Is it pedophilia if a 53 year old man marries a 9 year old girl or not. 2- Is it allowed in Islam and quran to marry a girl who has not menstruating yet , or not ?
Dont you think a simle a yes or no to these question would make it easier for both of us to continue a mature conversation ? I am looking forward to that.
rzadan 3 days ago
@snake1mi You accused me of lying about aishas age saying that she was 5 , when in fact I had said 6. Dont you think that you owe me an appology for accusing me of lying ?
rzadan 3 days ago
@rzadan 4, 5 or 6 whatever, its all not true. Did anyone say that she was raped except for you? Did the romans or the arameans define their marriage as rape. Also tell me, there are 13 different narration of Aisha RA age, why do you stick to the 6 vs 53? According to Ibn Sa'd, Fatime, the Pophets daughter was born 5 years before the call, and that she was 5 years older than Aisha. That makes her 9-10 years at the age of betrothal. And the marriage happened years later.
snake1mi 3 days ago
@snake1mi When muhammad died , Aisha was 18 . The consumtion of marriage was 1 year after hijra , that makes Aisha 9. You tell me that only I call it rape. Well , I do not consider a 9 year old girl mature enough to give her consent for penetration ( eventhough she knew he was a prhophet ). That is why I call it rape. One of my proof that muhammad penetrated that little girl is the fact that muslims even today are doing it and calling it sunnaton nabi , emulating him. Am I right ?
rzadan 3 days ago
@snake1mi The only reason that muslims do not consider having sex with a 9 years old , pedophilia is because their prophet has done it . Otherwise , why are they doing it ? I have asked it from several sholars , how can you allow such despicable act ( pedophilia ) and let people penetrate 9 years old. The all answered , sunnaton nabi. So if you have any objections about Aishas age , I think you better discus it with them first.
rzadan 3 days ago
@snake1mi It gets even worse , according to quran marrying a girl who has not started menstruating is allowed. If you think it does not says penetration , then show me a verse in quran that says after maryying a pre-pub girl , do not pentrate her until the first drop of period comes out of her vagina. Even if it would be so , is it human to rape ( call it marry and penetrate ) a girl as soon as the first drop of menstruation comes out of her ?
rzadan 3 days ago
@snake1mi Did you know that those girls who have been treated like that ( penetrated in early age ) are destroyed mentally ( and in many cases even physically ) for the rest of their lives ? Of course nobody cares about that. Women are a tilt for men and also created to gie men pleasures . Besides , do you think such a girl dare to complain about the damages that has been done to them. Because of my job I have seen many such a cases.
rzadan 3 days ago
@rzadan Im glad you believe in our sources, even the fabricated ones. That means you must believe in everything we say,
snake1mi 2 days ago
@snake1mi I am affraid that was not the answer to my questions.
So , your sources are partly fabricated . does it include quran too ? Why shouldnt it ?
How can one believe in a religion with fabricated informations , and knowing that they are fabricated ? It amazes me.
rzadan 2 days ago
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snake1mi 2 days ago
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@rzadan Bring the oldest Quran, and bring a Muslims with his Quran today, even far from sunnah, youd see that the Quran is the same, even the recitation. When we sy we have Boukhari, Muslim and Muatta, it doesnt mean they are all authenticated. We keep record of all ahadeeth so we can compare the sources, if some of the stories are obviously fabricated, we would know that the narrator is not trustworthy. We have something called isnad, that include rules in authenticating the hadeeth.
snake1mi 2 days ago
@snake1mi All qurans are not the same .They are 7 different pronounciations of quran but that is another subject.
You say some of ahadith are not authentic. Fine. Can I ask you then why are they still in your authentic books like Sahih Bukhari and being taught in all madrasa ? If they are corrupted , why dont you throw them out ? Why are your Imams are still teaching them as authentic hadith ?
I ask you Once again , please answer my previous 2 questions about what pedophilia is
rzadan 2 days ago
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@rzadan "All qurans are not the same .They are 7 different pronounciations of quran but that is another subject."
7 ways of reading. Not "pronunciations".
Secondly, Im going to repeat myself:
We keep record of all ahadeeth so we can compare the sources, if some of the stories are obviously fabricated, we would know that the narrator is not trustworthy. We have something called isnad, that include rules in authenticating the hadeeth. Why have sects mainly because of hadiths.
snake1mi 1 day ago
@rzadan
Confusing Quran with Talmud:
Talmud, Sanhedrin: 59a: “Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum”
105 Rabbis molesting children, Google it:
Shlomo Aviner, Rosh Yeshiva; Lewis Brenner; Ephraim Bryks; Shlomo Carlebach; Perry Ian Cohen; Yitzchak Cohen; Ephraim Goldberg; Cantor Sidney Goldenberg; Israel Grunwald; Yehudah Friedlander; Shneur Horowitz, sodomizing 9-years-old…long list
arraba99 16 hours ago
@arraba99 Let me know if I underestand you correct. So you think what is written in Talmud about peodophilia and putting the minum age of marriage 3 year is Evil ? Right ? Because I personally think it is very unhuman and evil and must be taken away from Talmud , what do you think ?
rzadan 56 minutes ago
@rzadan Youre basically asking me a question like, why did Adam allow his twins to marry one another? Did he not know incest was wrong since he was a prophet and the first man? Such term didnt exist before, not even marriage existed, it was after that humans got the tradition and conventions of marriage.
snake1mi 3 days ago
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@snake1mi With all do respect , Your analogy was not correct. My questions were : Is it pedophilia if a 53 year old man marries a 9 year old girl or not.( I am talking in general and in this century ) 2- Is it allowed in Islam and quran to marry a girl who has not mensturated yet , or not ?
Why do I ask these questions ? Because I want to know if we both have the same definition of evil acts . Letsforget about age of Aisha for now please.
rzadan 3 days ago
@snake1mi Now the last question for now : Now that we know maryying a 9 year old and raping ( call it slepping ) a little girl is the worst crime After murder , why do you muslims still do it and do not concider it a crime ? The only reason is that you call it sunnaton nabi . Meaning : Since muhammad did it , so can we. so , every little girl that gets raped by muslims , is muhammads fault and god will never forgive muhammad for this ( and other crimes ) .
rzadan 5 days ago
@rzadan Did you know that Prophet Abraham was 90 years when he married what the Christians beleve to be his sister, who was only 16 years. Alo both Christians, Muslims and Jews believe that Adams children started the tradition of marriage. Ofcourse at that time they were children born different bread. The first twins were to marry from the other twins, and from that time on, the tradition was forbidden in siblings and parents, aunts and uncles.
snake1mi 1 week ago
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snake1mi 1 week ago
@snake1mi In order to judge and convict someone of a crime , we must first define that crime . Dont you think so ? Lets for one minute forget about what muhammad did. Lets see what pedophilia is . I have seen some sourse for the definition. Would you mind to look yourself ? I promise that after that we can have a very sensible disscusion.
rzadan 1 week ago
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@rzadan "I promise that after that we can have a very sensible disscusion."
You and sensible discussion... nah - you'll simply attack him personally when you cannot answer him back.
AminThePoet 1 week ago
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So I ask you, why should I care if teenagers marriage doesnt suit your marriage standards when your girls loose their virginity at the earliest age, even before menstrual? You even promote early sex by giving condoms and pills. Before you look down on the Middle Eastern and 3rd world nations, you should first remove the double standards, then come and instruct ME about your new terms like Pedophilia. Marriage is a legal contract that insures the lady her rights, not like your "sex"
snake1mi 1 week ago
@snake1mi One more thing , believe it or not , I have never ever convicted muhammad as a pedophile as a person , because it was a common practice. But I condemn him to do it while claiming to be the best exemple to follow to the end of the time. My problem is with todays muslims ( most of them) who do not concider pedophilia a crime . That is why I would like to know what is the definition of pedophilia in your point of view.
rzadan 1 week ago
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@rzadan "My problem is with todays muslims ( most of them) who do not concider pedophilia a crime ."
More meaningless and evidence less hatred and bigotry..... without evidence. Just making up hate about Muslims.
Is that why you go to Racist videos and call for eradicating Muslims?
Even non-Muslims [the sensible ones] write against your views.... and dismiss u as hate monger.
AminThePoet 1 week ago
@rzadan Actually, I think most westerners dont know what pedophilia or lolicon is. But lets end this right here- Its a fetish in people (who are past youth age) for immature kids who havent reached the age of puberty. IOW pre menstrual age etc.
Examples:
1. A 27 teacher who fell in love with a premature or pre-pubes boy who was only 15, but was later prosecuted.
2.An 83 years old geezer who fooled their neighbors and molested their 6 years old daughter. He was later killed by the mother
snake1mi 1 week ago
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@rzadan "Most of the muslims I talk to , dont know about their own religion. I am an ex-muslim. Was born a muslim. I know all about it."
No you weren't born a Muslim - and you do not know all about Islam.
You repeatedly lie over Quranic verses and make up things... when asked for references - you start to make excuses - or start insulting.
Even here ... look at you. You are nothing more than a hate monger. I have repeatedly exposed your lies.
AminThePoet 1 week ago
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@rzadan Jesus(p.b.u.h) offered love and peace but those who came after him corrupted the Ingel(anamaric gosspil) that was given to him. have you read the bible and its terrors, most of the punishment are death, fornacation, death, breaking a single commandment death, lookin at someone with anger is the same as commenting murder, having thoughts about somebody is the same as comminting adultry, and on and on
abashammusba 1 month ago
If someone is not following this governments (yes, man made) Rules; he must be prosecuted according to the provisions of the law of the country of residence.
lambuponthethrone 1 month ago
Anjim says "you need to look the sharia as a whole; etc. etc. etc" But what if i've already decided i'm happy with democracy, US values, European values, and am not interested in even knowing about this sharia; forget about following it. Just by looking at people like anjim;i decide the lifestyle must be repulsive. I honestly don't want to become another anjim.
lambuponthethrone 1 month ago
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@lambuponthethrone U.S constatution and islamic laws over lap, they not only do NOT contradict each other but they go hand and hand, BUT i can't say the same for the christian laws since most of the punishment are death, fornacation, death, breaking a single commandment death, lookin at someone with anger is the same as commenting murder, having thoughts(lust) about somebody is the same as committing adultry, and on and on.....the terrors are in the bible not the Quran
abashammusba 1 month ago
In the last ten years; terrorists acts in USA have all been committed by muslims with american passports. To avoid such acts in future; what should be done?
lambuponthethrone 1 month ago
@lambuponthethrone For starts read and understand the bible more, because their are a lot of mistakes and contradictions, and don't forget as a chritian your obligated to break the first commandment..."thou shalt not have any other gods before me" said (YHVH or the father) and yet their is christians worshiping a creation instead of the creator.
abashammusba 1 month ago
OHHHHHHH YEAHHHH PERFECT BELIEF THRU ISLAM????? WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHUT UP AND KEEP ISLAM WITH YOU...ISLAM BROUGHT MESS AND MISSERY IN THIS WORLD WHILE LORD JESUS OFFERS LOVE AND PEACE.
PinoyfpsDelaCruz 1 month ago
@PinoyfpsDelaCruz
Jesus was said "i have come with a sword" and said "i wish to set the world on fire".
IMnotSAS 1 month ago
@PinoyfpsDelaCruz
What makes Jesus lord? he didnt know of the hour "of that hour knoweth none, neither the son but the father only" God is all knower, he doesnt have a split personality syndrome, this proves Allah is true. Islam isnt terror, it a beutiful religion.
IMnotSAS 1 month ago
@IMnotSAS In An Ancient Jewish Wedding, what would happen would be, After The Bridegroom and Bride were Espoused/Betrothed — The Bridegroom would say to The Bride before leaving and seeing his Bride for the last time before the consummation: “I Go To Prepare A Place For You” — And what he would do, is that he would go back to His Father’s House and he would build a room/house. He would not recieve his wife until his FATHER gave approval that the place was prepared.
antoniopooper 1 month ago
@IMnotSAS Jesus was using an analogy where the body of believers as a whole were the bride and he was the bridegroom. the jews he was speaking to at that time and even jews today would've recognized that. He was quoting a traditional ceremonial announcement.
antoniopooper 1 month ago
@PinoyfpsDelaCruz jesus(p.b.u.h) offer love and peace but those who came after him corrupted the Ingel(anamaric gosspil) that was given to him. have you read the bible and its terrors, most of the punishment are death, fornatation, death, breaking a single commandment death, lookin at someone with anger is the same as commenting murder, having thoughts about somebody is the same as adultry, on and on and on
abashammusba 1 month ago
Hitler a Christian? Please... If anything Hitler has much more in common with Mo. Compare the similarities of thier books. Both claim that thier groups are superior humans. Both say that thier group have a duty to claim their divinely appointed place in the world by whatever means necessary. There are many more similarities, but most striking is thier hatred of Jews. Hitler would have made a perfect muslim. You may also want to google Grand Mufti, Jerusalem and World War Two.
ArchangelSaintMike 2 months ago
We can also see HITLER as a christian killing millions in the past
kironde112 3 months ago
@kironde112 Funny is that the abomination that he did against jews was not supported by any christian, but he is seen like a hero by muslims.
Claiming to be a christian is very different than actually being a christian. Being a christian is trying to be like Christ. The act of killing someone is not supported by the teachings of Jesus Christ, therefore it's not fair to blame Christianity. On the other hand, when you BEHEAD someone for leaving the Islamic faith, you are supported by Muhammad.
humbleman9 2 months ago
@humbleman9 WRONG!!! hitler was supported by the pope of vatican church. get your facts straight or do some searching. hitler and the pope used to visit eachother. throughout history, christians have always killed jews and exiled them from their lands. how did jews end up in europe? ROMANS bullied them even when jesus was among jews and before he came to live among them. Our religion dosen't kill someone because he/she left islam. read the quran properly. and not follow stories from men.
kironde112 2 months ago
Strong allegations that you need to prove. I can prove what I say. How about you?
Marocco may not have worked with Hitler but the muslim brotherhood did. Speaking it terms of the Umma, muslims do not have a nationality but associate themselfes only by islam as one muslim nation. Therefore if marocco or any other state worked with hitler is secondary. Important is the fact that the muslim world did.
The biography of Hitler is another proof that he never was a Christian. Read it !!!
MrILoveYeshua 4 months ago
Nazi documents that were not destroyed proved that Hitler persecuted those Christians who did not comply, whereas the conformist "Christians" he has left is peace. In other words, Hitler never was a Christian but fought any type of religion because its fascism that he wanted people to worship. Same phenomenon did the socialists establish in their states after WWII.
MrILoveYeshua 4 months ago
@MrILoveYeshua hitler was a christian and morocco never worked with hitler,when you jew betrayers did.
NaBjE11 4 months ago
1:23 Hitler was a Christian. He was very superstitious. He had fascists running all over the world looking for religious relics with supposedly magical powers.
reyter2007 4 months ago
0:53 Women had complete equal rights for the first time in all recorded history (and more rights when it came to divorce in a marriage with children) in the Soviet Union in 1918 and when it came to violence on women, the Soviet authorities were merciless.
reyter2007 4 months ago
0:52 Would the Islamic Shariya system not be based upon the capitalist mode of property, production and exchange? If not, on what system would it be based? I only know of 2 systems with various deviations or perversions. Those being capitalist and communism. Is allah going to come down and invent a new system?
reyter2007 4 months ago
0:35 Muslims didn't conquer the Roman Empire you moron! It was the Germanic tribes (which also smashed the Roman armies in North Africa) and Muslims had absolutely nothing to do with it.
reyter2007 4 months ago
The guy lost credibility when he talked about nuking them at 19:16. Why would Russian or USA or German or Chinese armies need to nuke them? Muslims organizations or countries are backward and weak.
reyter2007 4 months ago
If the demise of Islamic hegemony is all due to Britain, France and the US, how come their 'Golden Age' ended 1,000 years ago??? These Muzzies are deluded idealist liars. The fact is that the advanced civilisations Islamic bandits conquered eventually became as their Arab slaver conquerors. No Muslim country has contributed anything, let alone innovation, to the modern world BECAUSE of Islam - Islam RELIES on brainless theft and slavery. Period.
ritchloui 4 months ago
@ritchloui Islam during the earlier years contributed very significantly, but during modern times, I think most people would agree with me that they are unable to advance when they have been in a war zone for decades against NATO forces. The United Arab Emirates is advancing. Look up Masdar city. What about Iran's fastest scientific publications in the world? There is much more than that. You're a complete idiot for claiming that no Muslim country has contributed anything.
TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
@TheComputerEngineer Islam hasn't contributed anything for 1,000 years - because it finally killed the goose that laid the golden egg. Islam has to keep raiding and conquering other peoples because it can't produce anything itself. It relies ENTIRELY on other people's skills, expertise and hard work. Mohammed was a bandit, thief and slaver - that's it, and Islam was the ideology of his bandit culture.
ritchloui 4 months ago
@ritchloui Muslims* have contributed significantly for centuries. You've just been living in a cave for too long to realize that. Stealing land? Israel is the best at stealing land, murdering people and being greedy. Islam teaches to give to the needy. You're just spewing out all these words that have nothing to do with the faith.
TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
@TheComputerEngineer Hahahaha. Look at a map and amongst the huge Islamic countries there is a tiny, tiny dot called Israel. Talk about a fly in the eye and you can't see the herd of elephants. What a twat.
ritchloui 4 months ago
@ritchloui There were many more Muslims and a few very greedy Zionist Israeli's. There is a reason why people leave Judaism and many people convert to Islam. No, it's not because Islam advocates violence but the complete opposite. I looked up that the conversion rate for Muslims and it increased after 9/11. People started looking up if Islam is really as MSM claim and it's not. Islam has flaws, and I'm not denying that. Christianity is still the most conversion rated but Islam is getting there.
TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
@TheComputerEngineer As you know, Islam is nothing but lies from start to finish. Religion of peace; run by throat slitting, apostate killing, flogging, maiming, mutilating, stoning and beheading slavers. Yummy, it sounds such fun. Women in sacks so we can't see their clipped noses and ears. Fantastic. Men having 4 wives and any number of slave girls for their pleasure. They can beat their wives, kill their daughters and old men can marry tiny little girls, forced marriages. Sounds fabulous.
ritchloui 4 months ago
@ritchloui All those ridiculous claims have been long debunked by many Muslims. These claims have been spread by Muslim bashers and many if not all are not true. Look at any credible Muslim source and you will see this. I persuade anyone here to google it for yourself and don't believe what some idiot bashers tell you just to justify all these wars. This nonsense is so ridiculous. I think Islam would be dead by now if that was the case. I can see that these claims have long been debunked.
TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
@TheComputerEngineer I generally stick to the Koran and the Hadiths for my opinions about Islam. Qur’an 8:7 ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’
Qur’an 2:191 “...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them”
Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”
Quran 4:24 And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. ie rape slave women at will.
ritchloui 4 months ago
@ritchloui I remember the first verse. That verse has already been debunked. The thing is, it's a book so it's not just one statement. It's referring to a previous statement. One second, let me find it. All of these have been debunked by the way.
TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
@ritchloui "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And kill them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
@TheComputerEngineer This sounds very reasonable except for the fact that Mohammed and his gang of thugs actively went on warring campaigns against everyone within reach. It is not sufficient for him simply to have sent a warning; believe in me or we attack! From whence had he and his new religion been 'turned out' when they enslaved the people of Africa, castrated them and used them to conquer peoples of other distant lands? In effect, "if people resist, kill them". No peace here I'm afraid.
ritchloui 4 months ago
@ritchloui I don't believe that. I don't want to research all this right now but I've seen a few Muslim scholars denounce those claims. I remember a scholar was explaining that Muhammad once said to not kill the people who surrendered in war right after they won. Something along those lines. The only real thing that people could really come up with of subjugating non-Muslims was Jizya tax and even that was somewhat reasonable. I don't think it's necessary to follow Sharia because it's just a law
TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
@TheComputerEngineer It's been a real pleasure debating with you. I'm off to bed now. Peace and all the very best to you!
ritchloui 4 months ago
@ritchloui Thanks, it has been nice debating with you too. Good night, and best of luck to you too. :)
TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
@ritchloui What I mean is Sharia law isn't the actual faith. The main belief is their holy book, the Qur'an. I have seen Muslims in America and almost all of them are the nicest people you will ever meet in your life. I feel bad that there are people who would use misconceptions about a religion that they know very little about just to help their presidential political campaigns and benefit war profiteers. Wars are hurting our economy, and we should lead by example, not by force.
TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
@TheComputerEngineer I don't think you realize the power of tyranny and fear. Islam, just like Christianity, has some very powerful threats in its arsenal. Whilst the Roman Church had control (the Dark and Middle Ages) EVERYONE believed - lest they suffer torture and death in the here and now or for eternity. It really has only been in the last 100 years or so that ANYONE has been able to openly reject the entire fraud. Even communism had its faithful whilst millions were being slaughtered.
ritchloui 4 months ago
@ritchloui I think all religions have some kind of criticism. There are plenty of misconceptions and fabrications out there to demean others. They are wide spread to justify crimes and profit. People actually attempt to take verses out of context to make money too.
TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
@TheComputerEngineer The point about religion is it is little more than a protection racket. It relies on the first rule of the con man; have faith. Do not be skeptical, inquiring, quizzical or rigorous. The harder something is to believe the greater, and presumably marvelous, your 'faith'. The questions of justice, wisdom and how to lead a fulfilling life have been far better explored by freely thinking and contemplative debate than immovable dogmas that any idiot can regurgitate as a parrot.
ritchloui 4 months ago
@ritchloui True. I do admit that there are lunatics out there who would interpret the verses just to justify doing a certain crime but I believe these people are criminals and not actually religious people. Any real religious person wouldn't commit such evil acts because then it would be in the name of Satan.
TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
@TheComputerEngineer My brain hurts!
ritchloui 4 months ago
If the US is truly as wicked as these morons claim, it could have used its devastating military power to rape the land of Arabia and get its oil for free as the Islamic ancestors did under the banner of spreading Islam! Or probably is it American evil foreign policy that saved millions of Muslims in Kosovo and is trying to do the same in Darfur? Or is it the evil Americans who saved Kuwait from the Iraqi vicious despot Saddam Hussein?
ritchloui 4 months ago
@ritchloui Are you kidding? The United States has been bombing and murdering thousands of people in Iraq and Afghanistan, before 9/11. We did nothing but benefit war profiteers, set up puppet governments and military bases all around their country. You don't see them attacking China and Russia. You obviously don't know of the term blowback, because if you did you wouldn't make such stupid remarks.
TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
@TheComputerEngineer Oh get over yourself. Islam has done NOTHING creative or constructive with all the oil wealth that's been pouring out of the ground. All it's done is export its slaving, sex cult and banditry. The Islamic countries produce LESS between them than even the smallest European country. Islam's brightest and best memorize the second rate repetitive rantings of Mo the