Speak Out Episode 12 Affirmative Action

[jpzxcvbnm]

Race based AA is bad, but socio-economic AA is fine.

[wuspopNmane]

I'm not gay but I'd let that faggot filipino guy suck my dick LOL! Im not sure where that came from but I'm high and bored. Sue me...

[wuspopNmane]

That onion eating whore said "hard work". The only 'work' asian women do is sucking white dick. You wouldn't know what work is you spoiled bitch you're living off my ancestors corpses. The REAL HARD WORKERS. You have the luxury of being a women so you don't have any responsibilities outside of having sex for money, you wouldn't understand. Blacks have REAL CHALLENGES. If I was a pale skinned whore I'd show a little more appreciation to people who sacrificed EVERYTHING for them. I'm out...

[wuspopNmane]

It's okay to sell your ass to a brown nosing white boy but it's wrong for the decendents of slaves to be compensated when the white man has built EVERYTHING HE HAS BASED ON BLACKS? Are you serious? You non white races need to stop dickriding crackers. All they care for is themselves. They tell blacks and mexicans to "get a job" meaning while they are making the REAL MONEY...

[myeviec]

as long as the philippines immigrants hate speaking english to each other in the states and canada and they refuse to eliminate their blatant epidemic racism they dont deserve to get jobs or go to schools before americans and canadians

only parasites speak tagalog in public purposely making sure americans or canadians dont understand what they r saying

[nktol]

Other Asians, Chinese/Korean/Vietnamese/Japa­nese, even more so than whites, are advocating the end of affirmative action in university admission that dennied them equal access despite their hard work ethics in school, and Filipinos want to go the other way with mexicans and blacks??? I thought Filipinos are better prepared in English and having the highest avg earnings among asian americans. It's time to adopt Confucianism, study hard, work hard, and compete fairly.

[a19h9s8]

@coolasacoldsummer lol retard

[a19h9s8]

@coolasacoldsummer how the fuck are those shit grades u dumbfuck? u have no idea what ur talkin bout do u?

[a19h9s8]

@coolasacoldsummer and my friend who's black, and has shit grades, got it

[a19h9s8]

@coolasacoldsummer 2000 SAT, 34 ACT and 3.9 GPA, varsity track for 2 years and i volunteer.

whats your answer to that?

[j0j0t0]

My grandfather immigrated from the Philippines to go to USC in the 1920s during the Great Depression to get a degree in sociology. There was no Affirmative Action back then. The rest of you shut the fuck up and get back to work if you want to make something happen.

[uberbninja]

Its racist when you talk about race. That is a fact; an unfortunate truth. People need to understand that we need to live together! We need to coexist with all races. Learn from each other!

[igorbolsheviks88]

@uberbninja we all want to learn from each other but the truth of the matter is we never learn anything from philippinese people, they are just so dumb.

[chrisbegoode]

just accept the truth, whites are superior, who invented the most technologies today and created the education system of course the whites! and asians are squatting in the land of white dominated culture

[a19h9s8]

@chrisbegoode lol stfu troll

[illegalalienscum]

Asians dont count in NY either. Black descent and Hispanic surname count under AA. You need to have the crime and savage gene to count.

[noypipi]

fil ams betrayed the mother land by becoming imperialist americans themselves... filams betrayed the motherland by using english as their primary lang. and many even forgot how to speak tagalog.... fil ams betray the motherland everytime they stand up when ever they hear american national anthem or pledge of alligience. fil ams are not pilipinos thats why they are called fil ams (fil AMERICANS) they all stab the motherland in the very heart with a sharp dagger!!!!

[igorbolsheviks88]

@noypipi fil ams are still philippinese no matter what place they go or what language they speak, they can be born and raised anywhere but they remain the same, once a philippinese will always be a person of inferior genetic origin.

[ballisticblue]

So the filipinos being of inferior genetic origin is one of your prevailing facts is it not? How did this fact obtain substance and how was it provided? Has anyone other than yourself acknowledged this fact?

[ballisticblue]

>>"igorbolsheviks88 has replied to your comment on Speak Out Episode 12 Affirmative Action:

the filipinos being genetically inferior is not my own fact but it is a fact that evolved through the course of history and substanciated by the philippinese themselves through their own actions or inactions. i am sure there are others who would acknowledge this fact other than myself."

@igorbolsheviks88 so what is the general purpose of daily lecturing filipinos of their inferiority?

[igorbolsheviks88]

philipinos don't deserve to be enjoying equality in US until they learned to uphold the same value in philippines.

[CABMANisMONGOLOID]

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

pigs used to taste good before until igorbullSHlT and nicco-lou-lou( masturbate) enter the food chain.

HAHAHAHAHAAHA

[allannist]

america is a fu**ed up melting pot.

it is like having a big pot with lots of ingridient in it and when the government stirs the pot they set aside ingridients they don't want to eat because they think it will spoil the taste of the entire pot.

that is the easiest way to put the so called "Melting Pot"

it is truely a f***ed up melting pot.

[igorbolsheviks88]

if the ingredients were melted and stirred how did they separate the ones they didn't like? don't you think your metaphor is f***ed up instead?

[fjaoaoaoao]

Affirimative action isn't bad, i just think race is emphasized a little too heavily in making admissions decisions sometimes.

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Blackhawk11X

First of all Affirmative Action is banned in California, so it has no benefit to me whatsoever. Yes I was raised by my dad that the best man should get the job no matter what. So its in my beneficial interest and learned behavior to do the best I can at anything.

Replaced in your homelands in Europe? HAHAHAHHA So what the tide is turning on you fucking Europeans and I love it. Middle Easterns in Britain, Latinos in Spain, Blacks in France, and many more.

Go Fuck Yourself!

[Blackhawk11X]

This is total bullshit, wants make to puke...you should hire person according how qualified she/he is.

[scata99]

1950 on my SAT and good grades in high school. Yet I get rejected while my black friend with a 1700 on his SAT gets in, his grades in high school weren't spectacular either.

[HWhoa55]

@scata99 that is bs and that is why affirmative action is so ridiculous. it's only okay to discriminate against the white race

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Maple7212

I could care less about race trust me. I just like to see things how they really are. Believe me when I say I will untilize affirmative action because I can. Utilize what you have. Take care

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Maple7212

Just face it man. With respect I want to say quit complaining. I think affirmative action is wrong also. But every person of any race has to deal with the historical injustices that our ancestors created. Well actually what your ancestors created. Trust me man you whites don't have too bad in this country. You can be whatever you choose to be while non whites have limited options. Either learn a skill or starve. Racism is alive and very real. Its just in the back of peoples minds.

[Blackhawk11X]

So, we whites should just shut the fuck?! Internet is only place where we can be not politically correct. And you wonder why there is more neo-nazi groups this type shit feeds it, we are going to get replaced in our own homelands in europe.

[dingodazzler]

In 40yrs when whites are a minority in America ,will they receive affirmative action.?

Also i notice how the asians and non white minorities think that it is they that should be determining Americas future.Where was the white person in that debate.?

[Apmhflick]

Yes, let's all legislate outcome! What a crock! We as a country should be concerned with providing equal opportunity, not equal outcome. Notice that the people against affirmative action are older, wiser people who have been through the rigors of the world, not young punks who think they know what they're talking about. Bottom line: racism is much less prominent than before, but NOT because of affirmative action. And gov't regulation in the market is socialism. Let's be laissez faire instead!

[businesstron]

If it weren't for Affirmative action The corporate jobs would be dominated by white males. To say that a minority is a less qualified candidate is racism itself.

More or less white folks ain't ready to live without affirmative action.  If you blame the fact that YOU can't get work on Affirmative action you need to step your game up.

[rkp102]

affirmative action is reverse discrimination. Stats on race and gender should not even be collected because it tears society apart. I'm guessing a large majority of people are not racist. So the free market will correct itself naturally.

[tcorbi01]

Amazing! Awesome debate!

[haicaysen]

i'm female and i would never want to get preferential treatment because of my gender

[mikemikemofo]

take this into consideration: the local ambulance service hires people based on affirative action quotas. when you have a life threatening car accident or injury do yo want the best and brightest to come to your aid or the person that got in based on race?

[SkyWalkr1200]

exactly!!!

[Scotchpker]

A man once came to america and got a college education, he after his education said "Why don't all americans get such an amazing education are they fools?" his education was entirely paid for by the U.S. government.

Chuck norris then round house kicked him in the face.

Justice is served.

[rickrocker]

Discrimination derrives from what we have learned about something, whether it's right or wrong. For example, I have learned that, looking outside and seeing snow, I know that the temperature must be low and extra clothing will be needed to keep me alive. Affirmative action requires me to go outside without a jacket anyway as 'I don't really know that'.

Affirmative action dictates how we think and forces the break down of diversity.

Berkeley sucks too.

[saltydog78]

School admittance should not be about race, but only on merit. If your not competent enough to be in college or in any profession, then don't blame it on race. I think that would be pathetic. I think blacks need affirmative action more than anyone.

[chololoco78]

dude, this shit is hot. and you ruin the presentation with the stupid music background... those students are so articulate, why do you drown out their intelligent voices with that dumb rock riff. ew

[11lookup]

@chololoco78 ...why yu on this page u freakin propaganda can u see there negritos in philippines trhat were never mix n still look negritos vwhile real philpinos dont had a curly hair n culture r way unsimilar coz they r not from them..they called malayo n they never been a pacific coz pacific ppl share the vsimilarities of africans ppl..and philpinos always be asian..pacific ppl are usually fat people dark skin n curly hair..philpinos r straight hair eversince..

[zbjordan23]

affirmative action is BS...I am filipino and if you get a gpa of 3.5 and above and have decent SAT scores...YOU will get accepted to a good college...are these people honestly telling me that a university will deny a filipino with a 4.0 gpa admittance because he is filipino..what bull!...I am now in Medical school and it didnt take Affirmative action to get me there...

[jfan2000jfan]

African americans make up only 12% of the U.S. Population but make up 60% of the NBA. Should be have Affirmative Action for Whites and Asians in the NBA also. It seems discrimation is rampant in the NBA?

[zbjordan23]

exactly..because the NBA is based on talent and skill...not race! If you want to fix a disproportionate representation, you fix it by hardwork...nobody will deny you that...if white's became good at basketball they will dominate the NBA as well...people just want handouts sometimes..

[YonomaC]

If affirmative action isn't put in place, admittance is the opposite. Of course it's bias, but the white system created it. Basically it's choosing sides, right or wrong. That's just the way the US is. I'm not filipino, I'm korean. That equality thing will never happen. Of course I had no problem with school but I just see how things are. If if gets to specifics like in Berkeley, then of course I'll side with my people over the action of filipinos, blacks, whites, whoever right?

[Mr1700]

poor people need a better education. middle/high schools in urban areas need the same quality of education

[YonomaC]

People don't argue with anybody who is white about this issue...they will always be bias, racist or naive to the subject. If they do or witness white on minority discrimination they won't say shit(you know u have) but if they think it's happening the other way around they will scream bloody murder. It's simple...us versus them. That physical war is bound to happen.

[cmodee]

White males have discriminated their entire lives, lukeblue. This is why Affirmative Actions came about. Hey madchemist, how can you get a hold of your bootstraps when the whites control your boots!? Yeah, I agree, "some" can make it, but those that can compared to those that can't is astronomical odds. Odds are that a hell of a lot more will fall so they are willing to live with the few that survives. It's a numbers game.

[Maple7212]

I am a white male. I will NEVER EVER support racism of any kind. I believe in equality for all people. Yet if Affirmative action is put in place, I have less of a chance of getting into college because of my race. Just because I am white, I am NOT an oppressor! I hate to say it, but this is racism towards whites. If I work just as hard as a Philippino, and there are two spots left in a college with affirmative action, the Philippino will get the place based on race. Tell me how that's not racism

[cmodee]

lukeblue, you admitted yourself that whites have a history of racisim, you try to justify it because of technological advancements. Well, the ends don't always justify the means. Guess how whites widened their technological gap? Don't get me wrong, I do not believe all whites are racisit,I'm mainly speaking of the white power structure. As far as technology goes: The black man built the Pyramids, the white man built the Titanic. Which one is still around today?

[SkyWalkr1200]

the black man did not build the pyramids, egyptians did, they are not black lol. So what, a device made by a white man did not work...your point is? The fact you made the connection between race and the titantic shows that you are a racist

[yonomaG]

U just said exactly what minorities know they have to face when interviewed by a white person."All minorities are stupid because of history." What history do U speak of!? Most technological advancements? Wouldn't happen if pi was not invented! Guess who invented that?

[yonomaG]

The young people speak reason backed by fact...the old and naive with tired boot strap talk! What a shame! On this subject it's us vs. them(white america). Racist? Take it as you want...but with no affirmative action it's the other way around. It'll always be the other way around...has the euro race ever shown otherwise in history!? U think not, then you are blind or just like it the way it should be(fair n balanced) Hardly!!

[cmodee]

yonomaG, you do understand.

Affirmative Action was created because white america could not be trusted to be fair and impartial, their history has shown it is not possible. Why can't the whites understand this?

[yonomaG]

They are not fair or impartial...do not try to understand them.

[SkyWalkr1200]

Irregardless, no matter what mistakes were created by whites....it isn't right to punish whites today. I never owned slaves, why should be punished for the colour of my skin ?

[mikemikemofo]

because malcom x says you should;)

[Lava1964]

Affirmative Action is systemic and institutionalized racism! Why isn't this obvious to everyone?

[cmodee]

Affirmative Action was created because of systematic and institutionalized racisim!

[Lava1964]

Racial discrimination is a terrible thing--unless it benefits you, then you're 100% in favor of it! Tokenism forever!

[Jayfive67]

affirmative action is just wrong,morally, ethically and its unconstitutional. the surpreme court needs to act now by ending affirmative action in the workplace!

[cmodee]

The federal income tax is unconstitutional, I don't hear you screaming for the supreme court to abolish that. But they won't. It benefits the white power structure.

[Aaronlt1]

'People of color' obviously getting what you earn is the right way, but uh this world is not right it's white!! If you leave it as is, they have the advantage...if affirmative action gives 'us' the advantage, hell yes we should use it!! Those old filipinos are white washed, well it's in the culture, but it's quite obvious they are social fools.

[19770326]

please remember your 400 year headstart. If you were a White male between 1560 and 1960 you were fine. If you were a minority, female, old, gay, etc. You were susceptible not only to slavery and the like, but death and torture.

[svlirio2001]

these people are amazing...only the accents are bad but overall great debate

[alisher1984]

Haha! Supporters of affirmative action are racist themselves because they think that one race is 'stupider' than another. All hirings and college admissions must be based on merit, not the skin color. Supporters of A.A. only encourage racial stereotypes.

[cmodee]

Whites will not base it on merit, but rather skin color. Affirmative Actions seeks to take an edge off this advantage.

[aeros12]

If black "leaders," would stop reinforcing the idea that blacks are entitled to handouts, then their culture could be rehabilitated with good, honest hard work.

Did you know that black economic prosperity started in the 40s? Look it up. This fact has been all but erased by those who would wish you to believe that blacks rose out of poverty solely due to the Civil Rights movement in the 60s.

[cmodee]

aeros12 you're an idiot! Everyone knows civil rights was not the sole reason for black prosperity (or should). If black prosperity began in 1940, then tell me how many years before then that whites have enjoyed a distinct advantage. You guys just don't get it. How can you compare 70+ years to hundreds?

[aeros12]

"We're one of the most diverse states in the country, and yet we have some of the most segregated schools."

It's the CULTURE. Black "ghetto" culture is counterproductive. If a black student dresses nicely and tries hard to get good grades, he is belittled by his peers as "acting white." The whole "ghetto" culture is based around self-glorification, violence, anti-authority, and entitlement.

[MaddyMill]

This is not always the case. As a matter of fact, I hardly see this so-called mentality you speak of anymore. Most if not all Black people that I encounter encourage their children/peers to succeed. That so called you are "trying to be white" or you're an "Uncle Tom"(most who KNOW who Josiah Henson was strive to be like him) mentality doesn't exist in or around my immediate surroundings.

[MaddyMill]

Why must everything "ghetto" be associated with Blacks and their culture?? Ghetto and Black are not synonymous nor is white and success.

I also find it strange that the FACT that affirmative action programs have benefited White women far more than they have benefited persons of colour is almost always FORGOTTEN!

[cmodee]

You are so right MaddyMill. White business owners even put their company in their wives names to reap the benefits of Affirmative Actions!

[daming209]

base affirmative action on on the person's economic status, not on race. Race and economic have a huge connection.

[ThePinay4Life]

NICE

[link10909]

How is the sat racist? The truth is its not, I believe a school should not be forced to take a person with lesser scores just to meet a quota. If you want to succeed at tests you can just use the internet, or library. In the end a acceptance person should never look at race only at scores and activitys never should it enter the mind of the judge "well this white student has slightly better scores but his (insert race) counter part would fill a quota

[cmodee]

link, the sat's are culturally biased. How can you excell at something that you have not been culturally exposed to? If you analyze the test questions, they have nothing to do with black culture but everything to do with white culture. Who has the advantage in this situation? I realize you are frustrated, but, you are being used just as well as blacks. Wake up!!

[link10909]

Please define "black culture", and give an example of a questions that is full of "white culture" which would give a disadvantage to someone that was raised in "black culture".

The paragraphs I remember reading were one was on the "glass ceiling", the other was on the way the writer felt about her native language of Spanish

[madchemist5926]

"Pull ourselves up by the bootstraps" I wouldent quite put it that way, but I do think affirmative action in school is obsolete and, as a black man, rather insulting. Affirmative Action basically tells minorities (especially blacks) that they are not smart enough to perform in a competitive environment without a crutch.

[ap0calypze]

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." -John F. Kennedy Hard work, determination, and sacrifice pays off in the end. I personally don't like things handed to me, but the reality is that as a minority we are at a disadvantage when it comes to getting a white collar job, a promotion, raise in pay, all the other oppurtunities that comes with being born white. The only way to get up there is to work twice as harder than they do.

[hippykiller1]

crap in my pants. it is reverse racism. imagine, if it was as fair as it claims, midgets should be allowed to play in the NBA. it doesn't help a situation, it hurts. i've heard many of stories of companies being fined because they didn't hire a minority. when asked why, "no minorities have applied".

[fjenkins1]

come on now. Companies don't get fined because of a lack of minorities. They get fined for discriminating. There was affirmative action in the NBA. Black people couldn't play in the NBA when it was first instituted.

[hippykiller1]

Yeah and how many Asians are in the NBA? Like 2 or 3. If everything as fair as affirmative action should be, you would see a more diverse field of players.  Even my statement about dwarfs, come on dude. The NBA integrated Black players in 1950, saying "its ok for them to play here" not "you have to have x amount of people from x race on your team". There is a difference. Segregation and Affirmative action are two seperate things.

[davisville17]

Were not talking about the NBA, were talking about universities and the workplace. And they are not obligated to hire any black person that comes in, they are still interviewed, they must be qualified, but they have an advantage over a white male. That's the difference.

[hippykiller1]

There is nothing wrong with them being qualified over someone else but not because of race; intelligence or strength. That should be the whole point but it doesn't always and rarely goes that way. Race shouldn't even be an issue when you are filling out an application for school or a job, I always put 'Other' or "prefer not to disclose". You should do a little reading on the Dever fire department. Where affirmative action went wrong.

[davisville17]

Yes but we know that there are a vast amount of individuals out there who are racist and discriminate, and if there is no law pushing people to hire diverse, then people are free to discriminate as much as they want. And they can tell your race simply by your name.

[Listman11]

Would you want to work for these poeple?

[davisville17]

These people shouldn't be in these positions in the first place! Affirmative action prevents them from discriminating and calls them out if they do discriminate.

[hippykiller1]

WHY should someone have the advantage over another race? Not everyone is racist. Saying you have to have say, 15 minorities out of 100 for a certain job or school is just irrational. Certain places in the US, white is the minority, some places, Asian is the majority. At the University of Washington, probably half the school is Asian. Thats not balanced but I don't think they have an A.a. program. But you know what, good for them.

[fjenkins1]

Its not an advantage. Recognize the being a white male in this country gives you opportunity unknown to any other demographic. Affirmative Action seeks to make opportunity equal as it should be.

[SkyWalkr1200]

Right, increase equality by taking away others....that makes sense

[fjenkins1]

duh! Affirmative Action is a remedy to segregation. Additionally, what you are talking about are quotas. Quotas and Affirmative Action are two seperate things.

[davisville17]

Quotas are a policy of Affirmative Action.

[fjenkins1]

no its not. The Supreme court even recognizes the difference. Read the Michigan case decision.

[XtremeHyphy]

The NBA is different. Why are there only 2 or 3 Asians in the NBA? because the teams don't need them. But as far as marketing, it has gone worldwide. The NBA is a bad example because there's huge gaps between what team needs vs what players can offer. And there's plenty of international players and plays that are below 6ft that play.

[cmodee]

You are right killer1. But, segregation was the basis for Affirmative Actions because it fostered discrimation. Get it?

[kissyann143]

agree

[fjenkins1]

Affirmative Action is not reverse racism. It levels the playing field for minorities who are continually shut out of jobs and quality education.

[Listman11]

The only Asians who need Affirmative Action are the Filipinos. They are not even Asian, too dumb to be Asians. I am Korean and I pulled about 10 of my Filipino friends through high school. They all agree with me as well. I am in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada.

[davisville17]

FIlipinos are all dumb? People like you are the reasoning behind affirmative action.

[Listman11]

Let's review, in Mississauga, there are far more Filipinos than Koreans.  However if you look at the honour rolls in Mississauga high schools, there are far more Koreans than Filipinos. Why is that?

[davisville17]

You've labeled all Filipino people as dumb with that statement, not just a fraction of them. On top of that you don't have any statistical evidence to prove that.

[Listman11]

I assume you went to high school. What was your experience? Who were the smartest kids at your high school?

[fjenkins1]

what are you trying to imply?

[davisville17]

Smart in what terms? As having a higher grade than someone else. I've met people with low marks that are much more intelligent than those that score high marks. Don't label a race as being dumb, label a person if you want. Otherwise you're putting down individuals based on their birth.

[Listman11]

Come on, you know who are smart and who are not smart. You can use any measure you wish but we have to look at the imperical evidence. Who is doing better in life.

Do you know that affirmative action is now putting limits on the number of Korean, Japanese and Chinese students in a lot of the California universities. So my question is why are some minorities doing better than other minorities?

[fjenkins1]

It isn't because one race is inherently "stupider."

Grades are not the end all of inteligence. They are important, but you have to take into the account some of the societal reasons why certain groups of people are excluded from opportunity.

[cmodee]

Listman, why is some caucasians doing better than others? I don't get your point.

[Listman11]

cmodee, I just read all your posts and have come to the conclusion that you are either a moron or a filipino (regardless, it is saying the same thing). Let's look at Asia, why is it that Japan, Korea and China are doing so much better than the philippines?

[cmodee]

listman, I feel as though you are a moron too,

but I doubt that you are black, asian, or hispanic. The phillipines are behind because of technology.

[Listman11]

Hey moron, read between the lines. I am Asian. I am in face South Korean. Why is that universities like Berkley are limiting the number of Koreans. Because we are too smart. When I was in High School in Canada, I had to help several Filipinos. Just the facts.

[SkyWalkr1200]

Ya all koreans are too smart, there are no dumb koreans at all, well that isn't racist at all

[insanerhapsodist]

affirmative action is reverse racism... period. It's not needed. what we need is EQUALITY.

[davisville17]

How are you going to promote equality if employers or people sending acceptance letters for universities have the freedom to reject someone based on their name.

It's basically like saying we'd rather you don't discriminate, but you can do it if you really want to.

[hippykiller1]

Because race shouldn't matter. And I'm sure most people look past names. Say me and you applied for the same job but I am in the minority. We are both equals except that were both different races. I'm in the minority, so should I get the job over you?

[fjenkins1]

Shameka's resume won't get as much consideration as John's. Affirmative Action is not a substitute for being a qualified applicant.

[hippykiller1]

How did I label all Fillpino people dumb with my statement? You won't even answer my question. You don't have any evidence either to prove who and who isn't a racist. Filling quotas is just stupid. You want the best of the best regardless of thier race. And thats how it goes, its seems like your imagining that ever person who is in power has some racist agenda.