Basically the pro-choice argument is The fetus isn't a person,but even if it were it doesn't matter because the woman's right to control her body is more important than the fetus's right to exist. The pro-life argument is that abortion is immoral and promotes immoral behavior BUT even if it doesn't the unborn babie's RIGHT to exist temporarily outweighs the woman's right to absolute control of her body. So far I find the pro-life argument more compelling, But I'm still somewhat open minded.
Why are so many people so blindly allegiant to PP? I'm guessing that little if any of you have actually been to one of their clinics for healthcare. Try going as a low income pregnant woman who wants to keep your baby. They'll be very confused and put off by this. I know, I was in that situation, and they wouldn't help me. They should rename themselves 'Avoiding Parenthood' because to them, the ONLY 'choice' is abortion.
If pro lifers are pro life as far as their babies are concerned thats OK.They have no rights to impose their view on others who are not.Its like pro choicers imposing abortion on them.They're trying to control the rights of another individual.If abortion is murder masturbation is genocide If everything that ever lived is dead and everything alive is gonna die,where does the sacred part come in? The choice is hers and hers alone. Any law contradicting this choice is a law against women.
I have a serious question, At what time ought a fetus gain the protection of the law? or in other words at what point does the fetus become a person and thus receives the right to exist? If it is only at the point of birth, does that mean 10 seconds before birth it is just a lump of tissue? I know some may find this provocative but please I mean this as a serious question.
@SobingDeath when the child is already dead or has no chance to survive. what about the rights of women huh? most pro lifers are against womens rights anyways
@ImFlareonBitch I assure you, i know my grammer. i just dont bother on public forums the i rite with my cell phone. In a way i feel good grammer is waisted and unnecessary for youtube.
thats ok beacuse when i watch these debates on this issue pro choice talks about numbers facts statistics por life talk about how each of them feel how the world should be or religion entirely i cant immagin why people would want to go back to coat hangers and fake doctors learn from history or your destined to repeat it
@azariablack amen...they care so much about what might be a child in the future then get happy when something bad happens to doctors who are helping people in the here and now not what ifs and what could have beens i agree perfectly with what you said
so it's ok for pro lifers to bomb abortion clinics but its not ok for a woman to have an abortion how the hell does that make sense ? i thought they were pro life but i guess pro lifers mean that killing someone is wrong when it doesn't suite them.you know i find it really ironic that people can be so pro life yet they believe in war
So true, they do bomb them. Pro-lifers have baby syndrome, they care about the fetus but when the kid is born. They are no where to be seen. Such hypocrites....
what about all the unwanted children that are already here how many pro life morons are raising them? why bring more kids into the world when there are enough children who need to be taken care of.it's not always a matter of keeping your legs closed bad thing's happen in this world women do get raped and abused why victimize her more by making her give birth just because it suites you just remember each case is different.
@Zarrakan it weirdly is when you think about it because its said to be ok to have an abortion because there housed within you so ya shoving a child up ur ass and killing them would be considerd having an abortion by pro choices standerds!
@1997seanmac says: its said to be ok to have an abortion because there housed within you so ya shoving a child up ur ass and killing them would be considerd having an abortion by pro choices standerds!
~~~~~~~~~ Nope , that wont work. The child that we shoved up our asses to "kill" would have had to been born first, so an ass abortion would constitute murder. ( did i actually just respond to that ignorant comment??? LOLOL)
One month after birth, the baby still requires the mothers milk and nourishment. Still ok to abort the baby, it still needs its mother. AKA the mother still takes care of it. So abortion should be legal until say... age 7-10
Sound fair?
Or we could give fetuses capable of life their own rights? I'm not saying "ban abortion" But when a mother can abort a fetus in the 3rd trimester regardless of mothers health/incest is just sickening.
@TheMango121 regardless of the mothers health? are you against womens rights or something? you sound like you care more about the fetus than the mother
Who said regardless of the mother health? It should be safe and legal for HEALTH reasons I.E life or death to the mother. I'm simply stating that aborting a baby in the 3rd trimester "just because" is a rights issue.
Check out "The Sanctiy of Life" on my video list---we need to protect the lives of those already living and suffering--not persecuting women for "crimes" against those who have yet to be born.
I support decriminalizing drugs, my favorite politician is Ron Paul. Yes, he defunded planned parenthood because they are involved in abortion and tax payers should not be forced to fund abortion. There are over 800 medicaid providers so there are other healthcare providers that can do what planned parent does without the abortions.
Prolifers and prochoicers tend to be one dimensional. Prolifers focus entirely on the unborn child, and prochoicers entirely on the woman. We need a balance. I'm a moderate prolifer that believes we need to treat abortion more as a social health problem. Seek to reduce abortions and encourage life. Balance the child's life with the mother's life, physical and mental health. promote targeted regulations (informed consent, waiting period), family planning, adoption, poverty reduction.
I don't understand Cenk, why should anyone be forced to fund planned parenthood? If you like Planned Parenthood then you are free to donate your money to them, don't force others to pay for it via taxes.
@Sueezee1 LOL. hi sue. i just made the same point you made, but to someone else. i don't like paying oil companies that make billions of dollars, SUBSIDIES. shouldn't i be able to not pay it? i don't like wars either. not a big fan. "DaRealDumbass" thinks we should all be able to decide what our money goes to, individually. well, gee.. how many would say "i don't want my money going to pay for police officers or roads," but still enjoy access to such things? there are so many f'n morons.
@slyjokerg says: how many would say "i don't want my money going to pay for police officers or roads," but still enjoy access to such things? there are so many f'n morons.
~~~~~~~~~~ Exactly! If where our taxes went was a choice, I doubt we'd even have a government. "Morons" is right!
@DaRealDMoney under your premise, why should anyone be forced to fund ANYTHING? you don't like PP, i don't like wars. maybe you don't like school lunches for kids that otherwise wouldn't have anything to eat. should they starve, because YOU don't want to fund it? it is a ridiculous premise. obviously, you don't like abortion rights. well, if you want to limit abortions, you should be FOR funding PP. 97% of what they do is NOT abortion, including a huge chunk that IS contraception, dolt.
If you make it illegal women will still get abortion's they will just get one by some shady guy on the street, and probably die. If you don't like abortion don't get one, don't try to run someone else's life.
@Chloeradke it's mainly about using taxpayers money for such acts....and we apply your logic to potheads it would b like this:-If you make marijuana illegal potheads will still get crack cocaine they will just get one by some shady guy on the street, and probably die. If you don't like crack cocaine don't get one, don't try to run someone else's life.
@Chloeradke TELL ME, WOULD THAT SHADY GUY IN THE STREET BE PRO-LIFE OR PRO-CHOICE? P.S. "IF YOU DON'T LIKE ABORTION, DON'T GET ONE"? HUH? I GUESS IF YOU DON'T LIKE MURDER THEN DON'T MURDER? DUMBEST FUCKING SO-CALLED ARGUEMENT EVER!!
@eastariel "A woman has the God-given right to do whatever she wishes with her body". Actually not quite true a person even legally can not have right to do whatever one wishes with his or her own body....very good example is Suicide has historically been treated as a criminal matter in many parts of the world..& in United States Historically, various states listed the act of suicide as a felony...and if u say "God given right"??most religion states that person becomes Ghost by such acts.
@Niceguy85d That is silly as hell though. Your gonna punish someone for killing themselves? Just let them do whatever they want to their own body. Abortion is more complicated as one could argue that the foetus is a human being and you are killing it. However an adult doing something solely to themselves should certainly not be a criminal offense. Be that committing suicide, doing drugs, renting out your body, etc.
It doesn't matter whether you agree with funding planned parenthood or not. The fact is the federal government cannot afford it. Perhaps you haven't heard of the 14 trillion dollar debt. It doesn't seem like you are thinking things through. Moreover these responsibilities should fall on the churches and local governments not the federal government. Quoth Thomas Jefferson, "A GOVERNMENT BIG ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT IS BIG ENOUGH TO TAKE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE."
cenk you are an idiot. as much as you like to think about how "informed" you are, you are nothing more than a left wing puppet. Planned Parenthood is not a purveyer of all these non-abortive "health care" things you like to make them out to be. Abortion is their bread and butter. Period.
@FukkkObama says: Planned Parenthood is not a purveyer of all these non-abortive "health care" things you like to make them out to be. Abortion is their bread and butter. Period.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Are you uneducated or just a probirth LIAR???? In 2010 Planned parenthood preformed a mere 134,000 abortions! Who is doing the other 866,000 and making ALL the monies, you nitwit
@LeftHandCookie Murder is the killing of a person by another person. An embryo is not a person; it is a potential person. Therefore, abortionists are not murderers.
If your opinion is that abortion is immoral, fine. Morality is subjective. But calling an abortion 'murder' is demonstrably absurd.
@NiNj4xNUTZz Call it a fetus, embryo, or whatever; it's still a life. It's sad 50 million lives are aborted every year. Pain or no pain, and even if the women suffer, the life must always come first.
@LeftHandCookie I respect your right to hold that opinion. However, when it comes to the legislative arena, you have no right to impose YOUR values on those of women who find themselves in such circumstances where an abortion (in the view of the women) seems justified.
In any case, I was addressing your use of 'murder'. It makes no sense to use that word to describe abortionists--much less pro-choicers.
@NiNj4xNUTZz True, but I still think it's terrible the life is being thrown over. I don't think a woman really has a right to remove that life and child, and even if they do suffer massively, the baby should still come first.
~~~~~ Of kids put up for adoption: 44% of adopted males will be imprisoned, compared to 1% of the gen. public. 53 % of adults that were adopted are unemployed. 45% reported living on food stamps,Prevalence of PTSDamong Vietnam veterans: 15% - Prevalence of adopted kids w/ PTSD 25%.. 55% experience homelessness 905,000 foster children were determined to be victims of abuse or neglect each yr. Its ONLY "brilliant" to YOU.
As a consequence of the AIDS epidemic in Sub-Saharan Africa,it is estimated that over 3 million children have died from the disease.... A brilliant thing?
What is your defintion of brilliant?? Kids of Teen mothers:.ONLY 1/3 get HS diploma. 80% will be on welfare, are more likely to perform poorly in school, do drugs, join gangs, be violent, and are at greater risk of abuse and neglect & are 13 percent more likely to end up in prison > I could post more stats but I dont hink the effects on the kids matters to you.
~~~~~~~~~ Sure they are, thats why 50 million women are in prison for the punishable crime of murder, right sweetie??LOLOL If you want to redefine english words to suit you, fine, but dont be upset when better educated people make you look foolish
Who's more likely to have an abortion, a liberal or a fundamentalist Christian? If there is an "upside" to abortion, liberals are aborting themselves out of existence.
@acrovader SO TRUE, AND WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT ILLEGAL ABORTIONS AND WOMEN DYING FROM THOSE BACK ALLEY BUTCHERS DO THEY REALIZE THEIR TALKING ABOUT THE PRO-CHOICERS?? LOL!
@acrovader No wonder why most Christians are poor... specially when they want to have as many babies as they can because they think humans are going to be extinct if they abort! Fools...
How's more likely to have an abortion, a liberal or a fundamentalist Christian? If there is an "upside" to abortion, liberals are aborting themselves out of existence.
@carmel350 Even more promiscuous. Than what? Men will always be more promiscuous. Liberal women on average will sleep with 5-10 men before marriage, with men it's 20. Taking away their right to contraceptives isn't gonna make the problem go away. It's gonna gonna exacerbate the existing problems; spread of STD's & pregnancy. Should people use abortion as a contraceptive? Absolutely not. But, unfortunately it happens & the best way to deal with that is to prevent the pregnancy in the first place.
@MCsuperChristina I'M SORRY, IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN ANYYTHING TO A 19 YEAR OLD WITH ABSOLUTELY NO LIFE EXPERIENCES, I RATHER NOT, BUT A LOT OF BIRTH CONTROLS ARE ABORTICATES, CHECK IT OUT, BUT I'M NOT READY TO GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING FOR A BEGINNER!
@carmel350 You are by far one of the dumbest, most insensitive, and ignorant people I have ever seen on Youtube. You have no idea what you are talking about and everyone here knows it. However, you attack a person's age when they obviously know more than you because you can't think of any intelligent rebuttal. And you think that somehow typing in all caps is somehow going to make people take you more seriously.
@carmel350 You think your having a debate? Your badly deluded. You just spewing out words that have to do with subjects of which you have no understanding. That is not a debate.
I believe that abortion is the most disgusting of sins. Unborn babies are the ultimate defenseless victim. However, the federal government has no right to decide. State governments should decide whether they are legal, and no taxpayer money should ever be used to fund an abortion. I refuse to see my hard-earned money being used for such an evil act.
@apnwahoowa I agree with you, the sins of the flesh, and killing of flesh are the most evil. The killing of God's children makes "satan" so very happy, because this hurts God so very much!
@apnwahoowa Really? You're playing the "God's children" card? Firstly, a cluster of cells is not a human being, which is what a baby begins as. It becomes a human after months of devolopment but the initial zygote has no functional or reason capabilities. It lacks a nervous system so it can't feel. It is not self aware and has no free will or reason. Therefore it is not human. Secondly, if you read the Bible you'll find that your God is totally down with infaticide.
I agree with Ron Paul that according to the Constitution, the federal govn't doesn't have the authority to take a stance for or against abortion, and should be handled on the state level, nor should abortion in legal states be funded by taxpayers on any level of govn't.
Republicans need their minimum-wage workforce, so any abortions less would be a plus in their eyes. And they get to force people to use expensive private facilities, or in the case of illegal ones, (if they get caught) feed the prison-industrial complex.
All the while showing to the (willingly?) ignorant religious right that they are such family-values conservatives.
@Tounushi So would it be better for the government to force me to pay for a woman's abortion even though I believe abortion is abhorrent? I hardly call not giving that woman my money "forcing her to use expensive private facilities. I call it stopping her from mooching my money and using said money to free herself of the consequences of her actions.
@Tounushi The percentage of people that get abortions because of rape or incest is <0.5%. So, let's talk about the real issue: the 99.5% that had sex willingly with a non-family member and are now trying to escape the consequences of their actions by killing off another human being. People need to learn to be responsible for their actions. If you don't want a baby, then don't have sex. It is as simple as that.
@apnwahoowa having sex is not a crime, and no zygote/embryo/fetus exists at the time the woman chooses to have sex. she can't be punished and have her rights stripped when she did nothing wrong. people can have sex all they like, whether you wish to impose prudish personal morals on everyone or not. and having an abortion IS being responsible for your actions. do YOU have to go thru the abortion, or does she? get a clue.
@Tounushi STOP WITH THAT STUPID RAPE ARGUEMENT, IF YOU DID YOUR HOMEWORK YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ANY RAPE VICTIM GETS THE MORNING AFTER PILL WHEN THEY GO TO THE HOSPITAL TO DO A RAPE KIT!
@shotsky94 Yep that's where everyone has the misunderstanding. I volunteer for Naral Ohio and Ohio PP. It's a sliding scale on what the woman pays. If she has the money to pay for it, she pays 300.00-650.00 for the typically first trimester abortion. If she doesn't have that, there are people who donate to PP specifically to make it so that there is a sliding scale. I can't stand how people think that a woman walks in and pays nothing for an abortion.
@shotsky94 Here's the website for the Cincinnati PP affiliated Abortion Clinic, type in womensmedcenter . com. It says "Financial Assistance
Financial assistance is available from a private foundation for those living in households at or near the poverty level or on Medicaid. Call one of our Centers and we can provide more information and help with the application process."
Note the Private Foundation part. It's not even called Planned Parenthood. But the Cincinnati one is right next to PP.
@shotsky94 Correction on the Cincinnati Abortion clinic, the women's med center is a privately funded one, but the PP version is the Elizabeth Campbell Surgical Center – Cincinnati, OH that would be funded by Private Donations because it only does abortions, whereas the Elizabeth Campbell Medical Center is ran by Title X and Private Donations, but it only offers Family Planning and Referral services. It's clearly under 2 different names in this case and I bet PPs in Indiana are like it.
@breemystic Lol, First of all, churches are non-profit organizations atleast in principle therefore they are tax-exempt like charities, colleges, etc. And you didn't say anything about private donors before so dont switch the argument; It was about taxpayer dollars. And just in case you didnt know, there's a strong case for aboliting the corporate tax because if you know anything about finance, you'd figure it essentially serves as a double tax in addition to employee's income tax.
@shotsky94 Private Donations and a woman paying money out of her pocket is what this is about. You as a tax payer do not pay for someone's abortion unless they are rape or incest victims or the woman is about to die. When someone goes to PP they pay at least 300.00 for a First Trimester abortion, keyword the woman does.
And based on your answer, looks like I won't get my wish for corporations to pay taxes and not receive subsidies which I'm against, so you just contradicted yourself, congrats.
@shotsky94 Why is it okay for you and Indiana Pro-Lifers to get their wish and get PP Defunded, while it's ludicrous for me to suggest that the Poor Oil Companies pay taxes and not get Billion dollar subsidies. That's not something I believe in? I wanted Big Oil Defunded.
@breemystic You do realize money is fungible right? It doesn't matter whether they set up a thousand different accounts because in principle the money is still flowing to hospitals. I suggest you read up about fungibility of money
@shotsky94 It's not fungible, private donors who wish to pay for a low income woman's abortion and the woman herself pays for it. You should not think you can tell people what they can and can't donate to and what people can and can't spend their money on.
If that's the case, Churches should have to count OFFERING and Tithes as taxable income. Because I don't support Church or Church affiliated organizations getting that exemption without filing a 990 PF. I hate that just as much as you hate PP
@shotsky94 On top of that I don't wish to pay for Subsidies to Big Oil, Big Banks and Big Farms. I don't wish for my money to go to Christian-Affiliated Crisis Pregnancy Centers or Pregnancy Help Centers should any money go to them if they're religious based due to the establishment clause?
I want big corporations to pay taxes, not 0% like GE and still get a subsidy. As you can see, there are ALOT of things I don't want taxpayer money going to, but I will never see them defunded.
@shotsky94 Like I said, it didn't stop the abortion clinics that PP runs or is affiliated with. Those will stay running, because those are funded by the other 66% of PP's income. They will however have to close many of the PP Clinic's that don't offer abortion, and 9000 patients that receive Contraceptives, STD screenings, Breast and Cervical Screenings and other services. I'm crying for them and just sent them 25.00 which will take away from my 75.00 grocery bill to help in this cause.
@shotsky94 And you can bet I'm deducting any money that I send to them from my Taxes, just like Religious Members do on their taxes and if you or anyone has a problem with that, i don't know if you're Christian, then we can just make donations non-deductible, since I don't support Christian or Catholic Churches, especially knowing that they are run on tithes and the clergy's income is tax exempt.
@rylraven13 I know you think PP is wonderful and great, but the fact is they do abortions and i do not approve of the wilful killing of innocent life. We the taxpayers should have the right to choose on these sort of things
@shotsky94 In Indiana PP had a separate account for the 4 only abortion clinics that were run by PP there are 28 in Indiana and now 9000 medicaid patience that will not get care, because apparently having a separate account that the Title X money went to, having the information readily available online and constantly audited wasn't enough.
I don't like the fact that my self-employment tax which is for medicare and SS went to the Bush Tax cuts and the Iraq war, should i have been able to chose?
Pro-Choice has been my deal breaker since I was old enough to vote. I can agree with almost everything a politician says but if they come out against Choice then I won't vote for them period. The day that Abortions become illegal is the day I take my taxes to another, more evolved, country.
@MyTotalRemedy It's not about abortions, it's about choice. I know plenty of people who would counsel against abortions but they believe in a woman's right to choose. Being pro-choice does not mean being pro-abortion. And for your information, when I first got married I got pregnant and *gasp* I was on the pill at the time. If someone has an abortion that does not mean they were some irresponsible hussy from the ghetto, that's right wing propaganda and you need to educate yourself.
FINALLY!!!!!!!! I've being being a bitch about this for a while and was wondering why TYT never made a video relating to this (because it's a really insane law and REQUIRES the doctors to OUT-RIGHT LIE to their patients so they don't get an abortion)....
PP has been defunded, and an injunction (don't know what that is or even if I even put in the right word) has been filed and rejected.
Cenk, you idiot. The democrats dont WANT to fight back. They just pretend to be slightly less crazy in order to give to the american people the illusion of a choice.
What a woman does is her business in my opinion. However, I will not support my tax dollars going to this sort of things. I think the federal government has overstepped its limits.
@shotsky94 Like it or not your tax dollars are going to go somewhere you don't want them to. My tax dollars are going towards plenty of things that I don't agree with. But if you think that PP is some abortion factory you are severely mistaken. PP performs pregnancy tests, Permanent and Non Permanent birth control, STD testing, and cancer screenings. We have 3 PP in my area and ONE of them does abortions. When I was in college PP was how I afforded BC. That's what the funding is doing.
America is a joke to Europe, incredibly backward ,massive inequality and most of all a docile and moronic population that is brainwashed by far right wing propaganda.
@Timeofflux corporate personhood?, i haven't heard of that, but yes it does sound strange to me if what you say is true. but doesn't really have anything to do with "infants in the womb." like i said i don't consider it to be an infant when it is in the womb. nothing personal, i just don't think this conversation is going anywhere. take care.
@Timeofflux corporations having human rights? what? anyway....
ok i understand your view now. you believe that it is a child developing in the womb, essentially you are saying, from what i gather, that you feel that it doesn't matter what the differences of the stages of development are and it is "sacred" no matter what. i have made my points with you and i see that it won't change your opinion. lovely to have had correspondence. good day.
Mitch is NO CONSERVATIVE!! 1st thing when he became Gov., Raised Property Taxes. He Loves Windmills and Biofuels (Subsidized=Paid for by the Tax Payer). He came up with HIP (Healthy Indiana Plan ie: Romney Health Plan Light) paid by a .40 cent added tax on each pack of cigarettes! (Oh...it's financing has dried up...big suprise.) Not to mention all the "Can't we all get along" speeches he has had. He is a "Reach Across the Aisle", Guy. Mitch....the Mainstream Medias Next "MAVERICK".
Oh and something else to think about, that horrible miscarriage bill that we all heard about that would subject any woman who had a miscarriage to be investigated for child endangerment or murder, if an embryo the size of a quarter, kidney bean or grain of rice were to be considered a person. Do we really really really want that?
@breemystic i don't. that's insane. and heres another thing to think about if the woman drank or smoked while she was pregnant she could be charged with giving alcohol or tobacco to a minor?
@MisterNickOtine I agree and most of them especially the fundamentalist women are going to find themselves sorry when the women's rights movement is overturned and we have the rights of a woman in Afghanistan.
I realize most of the people on here wouldn't go so far as to ban contraceptives. But there are Religious Fundamentalist who are the executive directors of these organizations that are created by the Religious right who refuse to even fill a contraceptive prescription or refuse to give the morning after pill and you can bet that they want it to be law that no one gets contraception. When say life begins at conception they mean the very minute of conception.
@breemystic too true. they seem to think that some magical act happens at conception (like endowment of soul or something).its nothing more than fantasy belief told to them by theologians. no rational evidence just emotion. and have you ever read on their reasoning why "artificial" contraceptives are bad, likeargument that it frustrates the "natural purpose" it is wholly ridiculous. if you applied the same logic they useto say that contraception is "inherently evil" then anything artificial is
I am Pro-Choice for one reason and one reason only, because if Abortion aka the murdering of the unborn baby or as scientists like to call it an embryo, zygote or fetus, doesn't matter because once we "redefine" the legal definition of person to an embryo. Guess what? Morning after Pill gone, because it has abortive properties. Goodbye Contraception especially the Pill and IUD because it causes an Early Abortion. Where do we draw the line so that women have no way to prevent pregnancy?
The morning after pill is NOT abortion at all. It has nothing to do with abortion and is just like any other birth control. They only thing that makes it different is the fact that it is for emergencies and it works fast to be sure to block any sperm from reaching the egg. If you think the morning after pill goes in and kills a fertilized egg, you need to do your research. Birth control pills are all about stopping sperm from reaching an egg at all.
@kirabook Yes, but that's neither here nor there with fundamentalists and life begins at conception people they will say that the morning after pill has abortive properties. And Birth Control Pills have several properties one of them keeping sperm from reaching an egg, but if that fails it keeps a zygote that's formed from an embryo from becoming a fetus by keeping the zygote from implanting in the Uterus and law makers in Florida have blocked contraception in the Florida Personhood Amendment.
I understand. From what I know of of IUD, it works the same way that MP does. I don't use birth control nor am I sexually active so I could care less really.
But whoever thinks that way is an idiot. One of the reasons the U.S prospers today is because the population growth is so low. They can take away all the contraceptives, education, and resources they want. They along with everyone under them will suffer the consequences of even more people born into this country.
I'm not going to go telling people they aren't allowed to stop having babies. What the hell? I'm not them, they aren't me, I doubt I know them. And it's idiotic to push ones beliefs onto other people. I'm ashamed to be associated with some hypocritical Christians who call themselves pro-lifers.
If you want an abortion, use birth control, yada yada, go ahead. I'm not stopping you. *is pro-choice*
They are completely ruining the world these days. They're all so corrupt and lying constantly. It's sickening, giving every religion a bad name. They aren't even extreme, they are just liars pushing something they want onto the people that sometimes can't do anything about it.
@kirabook I have been doing my research and what the fundamentalist side will lie about to get contraception and the morning after pill banned. I am quite aware that the morning after pill keeps fertilization from happening, but the pill and IUD just block the zygote from implanting and becoming a fetus and I'm just giving you the angle that these people are going to take, if we outlaw abortion by saying it's a person from the moment of conception, okay?
@kirabook Yep and people have asked why I'm concerned about it, since I'm in Ohio and not in Florida, but Ohio is one of the most conservative states and we have the Heart Bill being discussed right now. I don't want Ohio politicians getting any ideas.
Urg. My friend lives there and she complains how much she hates it all the time. I went there once to visit a few museums and didn't like it even though I was only there for a day.
@kirabook Yep, I can't wait to move, my husband and I are thinking of California hopefully, somewhere were fundamentalists with more money than they know what to do with, don't have power over what laws are made.
I don't blame you for not liking Ohio, it's mostly rural towns and cities for the most part. We suffer horrible unemployment rates that aren't showing the true numbers because of unemployment running out and no one wanting to come to create jobs, because of the education system.
We went to Cincinnati. I know every place has rude people, but there was A LOT of rude people. And honking horns impatiently. Of all the places I've been, I don't think I've ever disliked a location it so quickly.
After college... not sure where I want to live. I want to go to my hometown in IL, but my mom lives here in GA and I'm going to school here... who knows.
That seems a bit crazy to get pregnant, when theirs plenty of birth control methods for women, and then greatly affect the babies life because of your poor choices in your own.
Leave abortion to the women. THEY should be the only people who decided if abortion is illegal or not. Because when it really comes down to it, it's a WOMAN'S CHOICE. If you ban abortion done by doctors women will get them done by some in the back alley with a hanger or baseball bat. So unless you have a set of tits and a pussy shut the fuck up about abortion. No one wants to read your preachy BS.
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Basically the pro-choice argument is The fetus isn't a person,but even if it were it doesn't matter because the woman's right to control her body is more important than the fetus's right to exist. The pro-life argument is that abortion is immoral and promotes immoral behavior BUT even if it doesn't the unborn babie's RIGHT to exist temporarily outweighs the woman's right to absolute control of her body. So far I find the pro-life argument more compelling, But I'm still somewhat open minded.
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Why are so many people so blindly allegiant to PP? I'm guessing that little if any of you have actually been to one of their clinics for healthcare. Try going as a low income pregnant woman who wants to keep your baby. They'll be very confused and put off by this. I know, I was in that situation, and they wouldn't help me. They should rename themselves 'Avoiding Parenthood' because to them, the ONLY 'choice' is abortion.
Noelle2ls 1 week ago
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If pro lifers are pro life as far as their babies are concerned thats OK.They have no rights to impose their view on others who are not.Its like pro choicers imposing abortion on them.They're trying to control the rights of another individual.If abortion is murder masturbation is genocide If everything that ever lived is dead and everything alive is gonna die,where does the sacred part come in? The choice is hers and hers alone. Any law contradicting this choice is a law against women.
afrikanballa 1 week ago
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I have a serious question, At what time ought a fetus gain the protection of the law? or in other words at what point does the fetus become a person and thus receives the right to exist? If it is only at the point of birth, does that mean 10 seconds before birth it is just a lump of tissue? I know some may find this provocative but please I mean this as a serious question.
sobriquet1999 1 week ago
@TheMango121 good your in agreement of the current abortio laws noone is arguing for late abortion
SobingDeath 1 week ago
@SuperVancouverBC my point exactly when it is in the best intrest of the mother
SobingDeath 1 week ago
@DP3mo24hofosho ok the let me ask you this. when is it ok to have an abortion?
SobingDeath 2 weeks ago
@SobingDeath when the child is already dead or has no chance to survive. what about the rights of women huh? most pro lifers are against womens rights anyways
SuperVancouverBC 1 week ago
@ImFlareonBitch I assure you, i know my grammer. i just dont bother on public forums the i rite with my cell phone. In a way i feel good grammer is waisted and unnecessary for youtube.
SobingDeath 3 weeks ago
thats ok beacuse when i watch these debates on this issue pro choice talks about numbers facts statistics por life talk about how each of them feel how the world should be or religion entirely i cant immagin why people would want to go back to coat hangers and fake doctors learn from history or your destined to repeat it
SobingDeath 3 weeks ago
@SobingDeath I wish you learned basic grammar skills, because your point would hit so much harder with a few periods.
I totally agree, though.
ImFlareonBitch 3 weeks ago
@SobingDeath Okay, lets debate the facts. Scientists say life begins at conception, when a new being is created with different DNA from the hoast.
DP3mo24hofosho 2 weeks ago
@azariablack amen...they care so much about what might be a child in the future then get happy when something bad happens to doctors who are helping people in the here and now not what ifs and what could have beens i agree perfectly with what you said
SobingDeath 3 weeks ago
so it's ok for pro lifers to bomb abortion clinics but its not ok for a woman to have an abortion how the hell does that make sense ? i thought they were pro life but i guess pro lifers mean that killing someone is wrong when it doesn't suite them.you know i find it really ironic that people can be so pro life yet they believe in war
azariablack 1 month ago
@azariablack
So true, they do bomb them. Pro-lifers have baby syndrome, they care about the fetus but when the kid is born. They are no where to be seen. Such hypocrites....
brittanyverjes1 3 days ago
@brittanyverjes1 and they are not even willing to help support the kid or even give it free health care yeah real pro life not
azariablack 3 days ago
what about all the unwanted children that are already here how many pro life morons are raising them? why bring more kids into the world when there are enough children who need to be taken care of.it's not always a matter of keeping your legs closed bad thing's happen in this world women do get raped and abused why victimize her more by making her give birth just because it suites you just remember each case is different.
azariablack 1 month ago
Wow, Cenk is so brave taking this position (Not)
historypoliticsbb 1 month ago
Good job taking things out of context, and pulling statistics out of your ass!
LittleMisLateBloomer 1 month ago
Re God is Pro Choice
setatliberty 1 month ago
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GOD CAN SEE YOU SHINING
Shadows fall on holy ground. Earthbound angels walk around,
wearing out your dusty clothes. Wandering angels, Heaven knows
that God can find you, Heaven hears you,
God can see you shining.
Every baby's holy birth lands a little angel here on Earth,
sheltered from the dark of day. Mother sings your fears away.
She sings God can find you, Heaven hears you,
God can see you shining.
eastariel 2 months ago
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Sometimes angels lose their way following the darkness of the day.
Cry the dust out of your eyes. You'll see we're all angels in disguise,
and God can find you, Heaven hears you,
God can see you shining.
Baby angel, when you're born, mother keeps you safe and warm.
Reach your wings into the sky. Someday you will learn to fly,
when you see God can find you, Heaven hears you,
God can see you shining.
eastariel 2 months ago
I have a problem with a fetus being aborted at 6 months....
What about the fetuses Rights?
TheMango121 3 months ago
@TheMango121 sadly they dont in america! you could shove a child inside you and murder it. but thats seen as diffrent???
1997seanmac 3 months ago
@1997seanmac Do that, and film it. rule 34. Oh and btw what you are suggesting is nothing like abortion.
Zarrakan 3 months ago
@Zarrakan it weirdly is when you think about it because its said to be ok to have an abortion because there housed within you so ya shoving a child up ur ass and killing them would be considerd having an abortion by pro choices standerds!
1997seanmac 2 months ago
@1997seanmac please stop thinking
Zarrakan 2 months ago
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Sueezee1 2 months ago
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@1997seanmac says: its said to be ok to have an abortion because there housed within you so ya shoving a child up ur ass and killing them would be considerd having an abortion by pro choices standerds!
~~~~~~~~~ Nope , that wont work. The child that we shoved up our asses to "kill" would have had to been born first, so an ass abortion would constitute murder. ( did i actually just respond to that ignorant comment??? LOLOL)
Sueezee1 2 months ago
@1997seanmac that would make a good slasher flick....
AllThingsGeek1 1 month ago
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@TheMango121 says: I have a problem with a fetus being aborted at 6 months....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Whose fetus...yours or mine?
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@TheMango121 it's NOT a person....... more importantly it's only alive because of the mother and shares everything with her, so she has a choice...
AllThingsGeek1 1 month ago
@AllThingsGeek1
Ok. using your logic...
One month after birth, the baby still requires the mothers milk and nourishment. Still ok to abort the baby, it still needs its mother. AKA the mother still takes care of it. So abortion should be legal until say... age 7-10
Sound fair?
Or we could give fetuses capable of life their own rights? I'm not saying "ban abortion" But when a mother can abort a fetus in the 3rd trimester regardless of mothers health/incest is just sickening.
TheMango121 1 month ago
@TheMango121 lmao NO! The baby can be taken care of by someone else once out of her..... really it's not that complicated.
AllThingsGeek1 1 month ago
@TheMango121 regardless of the mothers health? are you against womens rights or something? you sound like you care more about the fetus than the mother
SuperVancouverBC 1 week ago
@SuperVancouverBC
Who said regardless of the mother health? It should be safe and legal for HEALTH reasons I.E life or death to the mother. I'm simply stating that aborting a baby in the 3rd trimester "just because" is a rights issue.
TheMango121 1 week ago
@TheMango121 what about the mothers right? dont be anti women
SuperVancouverBC 1 week ago
Check out "The Sanctiy of Life" on my video list---we need to protect the lives of those already living and suffering--not persecuting women for "crimes" against those who have yet to be born.
IshwaPoet 3 months ago
I support decriminalizing drugs, my favorite politician is Ron Paul. Yes, he defunded planned parenthood because they are involved in abortion and tax payers should not be forced to fund abortion. There are over 800 medicaid providers so there are other healthcare providers that can do what planned parent does without the abortions.
Spillers72 4 months ago
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Prolifers and prochoicers tend to be one dimensional. Prolifers focus entirely on the unborn child, and prochoicers entirely on the woman. We need a balance. I'm a moderate prolifer that believes we need to treat abortion more as a social health problem. Seek to reduce abortions and encourage life. Balance the child's life with the mother's life, physical and mental health. promote targeted regulations (informed consent, waiting period), family planning, adoption, poverty reduction.
Spillers72 4 months ago
I don't understand Cenk, why should anyone be forced to fund planned parenthood? If you like Planned Parenthood then you are free to donate your money to them, don't force others to pay for it via taxes.
DaRealDMoney 6 months ago 2
@DaRealDMoney says: If you like Planned Parenthood then you are free to donate your money to them, don't force others to pay for it via taxes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Why not? Im (we) are forced to have our taxes pay for cranberry research( NOT medical) and I hate that. So, why not abortin?
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@Sueezee1 LOL. hi sue. i just made the same point you made, but to someone else. i don't like paying oil companies that make billions of dollars, SUBSIDIES. shouldn't i be able to not pay it? i don't like wars either. not a big fan. "DaRealDumbass" thinks we should all be able to decide what our money goes to, individually. well, gee.. how many would say "i don't want my money going to pay for police officers or roads," but still enjoy access to such things? there are so many f'n morons.
slyjokerg 2 months ago
@slyjokerg says: how many would say "i don't want my money going to pay for police officers or roads," but still enjoy access to such things? there are so many f'n morons.
~~~~~~~~~~ Exactly! If where our taxes went was a choice, I doubt we'd even have a government. "Morons" is right!
Sueezee1 2 months ago
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@DaRealDMoney under your premise, why should anyone be forced to fund ANYTHING? you don't like PP, i don't like wars. maybe you don't like school lunches for kids that otherwise wouldn't have anything to eat. should they starve, because YOU don't want to fund it? it is a ridiculous premise. obviously, you don't like abortion rights. well, if you want to limit abortions, you should be FOR funding PP. 97% of what they do is NOT abortion, including a huge chunk that IS contraception, dolt.
slyjokerg 2 months ago
If you make it illegal women will still get abortion's they will just get one by some shady guy on the street, and probably die. If you don't like abortion don't get one, don't try to run someone else's life.
Chloeradke 6 months ago
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@Chloeradke it's mainly about using taxpayers money for such acts....and we apply your logic to potheads it would b like this:-If you make marijuana illegal potheads will still get crack cocaine they will just get one by some shady guy on the street, and probably die. If you don't like crack cocaine don't get one, don't try to run someone else's life.
Niceguy85d 6 months ago
@Chloeradke TELL ME, WOULD THAT SHADY GUY IN THE STREET BE PRO-LIFE OR PRO-CHOICE? P.S. "IF YOU DON'T LIKE ABORTION, DON'T GET ONE"? HUH? I GUESS IF YOU DON'T LIKE MURDER THEN DON'T MURDER? DUMBEST FUCKING SO-CALLED ARGUEMENT EVER!!
carmel350 6 months ago
A woman has the God-given right to do whatever she wishes with her body.
But she does not have the right to do whatever she wishes with other people's bodies, and that includes the body of her precious baby.
Abortion must be outlawed!
The world must not carry this deep sorrow anymore.
eastariel 6 months ago
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Niceguy85d 6 months ago
@eastariel "A woman has the God-given right to do whatever she wishes with her body". Actually not quite true a person even legally can not have right to do whatever one wishes with his or her own body....very good example is Suicide has historically been treated as a criminal matter in many parts of the world..& in United States Historically, various states listed the act of suicide as a felony...and if u say "God given right"??most religion states that person becomes Ghost by such acts.
Niceguy85d 6 months ago
@Niceguy85d That is silly as hell though. Your gonna punish someone for killing themselves? Just let them do whatever they want to their own body. Abortion is more complicated as one could argue that the foetus is a human being and you are killing it. However an adult doing something solely to themselves should certainly not be a criminal offense. Be that committing suicide, doing drugs, renting out your body, etc.
DaRealDMoney 6 months ago
@DaRealDMoney Old joke:
Q: What's the punishment for suicide?
A: Life imprisonment.
Q: What's the punishment for attempted suicide?
A: Hanging.
Niceguy85d 6 months ago
It doesn't matter whether you agree with funding planned parenthood or not. The fact is the federal government cannot afford it. Perhaps you haven't heard of the 14 trillion dollar debt. It doesn't seem like you are thinking things through. Moreover these responsibilities should fall on the churches and local governments not the federal government. Quoth Thomas Jefferson, "A GOVERNMENT BIG ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT IS BIG ENOUGH TO TAKE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE."
surrealpillow 6 months ago
cenk you are an idiot. as much as you like to think about how "informed" you are, you are nothing more than a left wing puppet. Planned Parenthood is not a purveyer of all these non-abortive "health care" things you like to make them out to be. Abortion is their bread and butter. Period.
FukkkObama 7 months ago
@FukkkObama says: Planned Parenthood is not a purveyer of all these non-abortive "health care" things you like to make them out to be. Abortion is their bread and butter. Period.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Are you uneducated or just a probirth LIAR???? In 2010 Planned parenthood preformed a mere 134,000 abortions! Who is doing the other 866,000 and making ALL the monies, you nitwit
Sueezee1 6 months ago
Stand UP for murdering children.
MyTotalRemedy 7 months ago
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@MyTotalRemedy says: Stand UP for murdering children.
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Sit down for lying probirthers.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
pro-choice is horrible; pro-choice are murderers.
LeftHandCookie 7 months ago
@LeftHandCookie Murder is the killing of a person by another person. An embryo is not a person; it is a potential person. Therefore, abortionists are not murderers.
If your opinion is that abortion is immoral, fine. Morality is subjective. But calling an abortion 'murder' is demonstrably absurd.
NiNj4xNUTZz 7 months ago
@NiNj4xNUTZz Call it a fetus, embryo, or whatever; it's still a life. It's sad 50 million lives are aborted every year. Pain or no pain, and even if the women suffer, the life must always come first.
LeftHandCookie 7 months ago
@LeftHandCookie I respect your right to hold that opinion. However, when it comes to the legislative arena, you have no right to impose YOUR values on those of women who find themselves in such circumstances where an abortion (in the view of the women) seems justified.
In any case, I was addressing your use of 'murder'. It makes no sense to use that word to describe abortionists--much less pro-choicers.
NiNj4xNUTZz 7 months ago
@NiNj4xNUTZz True, but I still think it's terrible the life is being thrown over. I don't think a woman really has a right to remove that life and child, and even if they do suffer massively, the baby should still come first.
LeftHandCookie 7 months ago
@LeftHandCookie says: I don't think a woman really has a right to remove that life and child,
~~~~~~~~~ What in the hell do you mean??/ We got the right after R v W...... we "REALLY" did!
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@Sueezee1
Life is much bigger than what you're on about. Life is a brilliant thing, and should not be removed.
LeftHandCookie 6 months ago
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@LeftHandCookie says: Life is a brilliant thing
~~~~~ Of kids put up for adoption: 44% of adopted males will be imprisoned, compared to 1% of the gen. public. 53 % of adults that were adopted are unemployed. 45% reported living on food stamps,Prevalence of PTSDamong Vietnam veterans: 15% - Prevalence of adopted kids w/ PTSD 25%.. 55% experience homelessness 905,000 foster children were determined to be victims of abuse or neglect each yr. Its ONLY "brilliant" to YOU.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
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@LeftHandCookie says: ife is a brilliant thing
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As a consequence of the AIDS epidemic in Sub-Saharan Africa,it is estimated that over 3 million children have died from the disease.... A brilliant thing?
Sueezee1 6 months ago
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@LeftHandCookie says: Life is a brilliant thing,
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What is your defintion of brilliant?? Kids of Teen mothers:.ONLY 1/3 get HS diploma. 80% will be on welfare, are more likely to perform poorly in school, do drugs, join gangs, be violent, and are at greater risk of abuse and neglect & are 13 percent more likely to end up in prison > I could post more stats but I dont hink the effects on the kids matters to you.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
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@LeftHandCookie says: Stand UP for murdering children.
~~~~~~~~~ Sure they are, thats why 50 million women are in prison for the punishable crime of murder, right sweetie??LOLOL If you want to redefine english words to suit you, fine, but dont be upset when better educated people make you look foolish
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@MrBloograss Notice how you don't have any thumbs up?
TheManMostMysterious 7 months ago
Ok who in the fuck are y'all. Y'all don't out come out on tv
TheFatpanda509 7 months ago
Good for him
theDotGeek 7 months ago
"Keep your laws off my body!"
-fetus
CambridgeHeights 7 months ago
Who's more likely to have an abortion, a liberal or a fundamentalist Christian? If there is an "upside" to abortion, liberals are aborting themselves out of existence.
acrovader 8 months ago
@acrovader SO TRUE, AND WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT ILLEGAL ABORTIONS AND WOMEN DYING FROM THOSE BACK ALLEY BUTCHERS DO THEY REALIZE THEIR TALKING ABOUT THE PRO-CHOICERS?? LOL!
carmel350 8 months ago
@acrovader No wonder why most Christians are poor... specially when they want to have as many babies as they can because they think humans are going to be extinct if they abort! Fools...
Redbloodedsky 8 months ago
How's more likely to have an abortion, a liberal or a fundamentalist Christian? If there is an "upside" to abortion, liberals are aborting themselves out of existence.
acrovader 8 months ago
i think the mother ususally cares when she has a child.
LOL BAck up !! hahaa
andyfibb 8 months ago
OMG, THIS MAKES ME SOOOO HAPPY!
carmel350 8 months ago
BASICALLY HELPING WOMEN BE EVEN MORE PERMISCUOUS!
carmel350 8 months ago
@carmel350 Even more promiscuous. Than what? Men will always be more promiscuous. Liberal women on average will sleep with 5-10 men before marriage, with men it's 20. Taking away their right to contraceptives isn't gonna make the problem go away. It's gonna gonna exacerbate the existing problems; spread of STD's & pregnancy. Should people use abortion as a contraceptive? Absolutely not. But, unfortunately it happens & the best way to deal with that is to prevent the pregnancy in the first place.
MCsuperChristina 8 months ago
@MCsuperChristina I'M SORRY, IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN ANYYTHING TO A 19 YEAR OLD WITH ABSOLUTELY NO LIFE EXPERIENCES, I RATHER NOT, BUT A LOT OF BIRTH CONTROLS ARE ABORTICATES, CHECK IT OUT, BUT I'M NOT READY TO GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING FOR A BEGINNER!
carmel350 8 months ago
@carmel350 I'm sorry a 19 y/o old made valid points that you can't argue with, so you bring her age into it.
MCsuperChristina 8 months ago
@MCsuperChristina IT IS A PITY YOU CANNOT CITE WHERE YOU GET YOUR POINTLESS STATS FROM, BUT I DO ENJOY A GOOD LAUGH!
carmel350 8 months ago
@carmel350 You are by far one of the dumbest, most insensitive, and ignorant people I have ever seen on Youtube. You have no idea what you are talking about and everyone here knows it. However, you attack a person's age when they obviously know more than you because you can't think of any intelligent rebuttal. And you think that somehow typing in all caps is somehow going to make people take you more seriously.
TheManMostMysterious 7 months ago
@TheManMostMysterious NOW THAT YOU HAVE THAT OFF YOUR CHEST, LET'S GET BACK TO THE VIDEO DEBATE, FOCUS!
carmel350 7 months ago
@carmel350 You think your having a debate? Your badly deluded. You just spewing out words that have to do with subjects of which you have no understanding. That is not a debate.
TheManMostMysterious 7 months ago
@TheManMostMysterious WELL, THEN START ONE, OR JUST GO AWAY!
carmel350 7 months ago
I believe that abortion is the most disgusting of sins. Unborn babies are the ultimate defenseless victim. However, the federal government has no right to decide. State governments should decide whether they are legal, and no taxpayer money should ever be used to fund an abortion. I refuse to see my hard-earned money being used for such an evil act.
apnwahoowa 8 months ago
@apnwahoowa I agree with you, the sins of the flesh, and killing of flesh are the most evil. The killing of God's children makes "satan" so very happy, because this hurts God so very much!
carmel350 8 months ago
@carmel350 Exactly. Who cares if its in the mother's womb or not, it is still one of God's children.
apnwahoowa 8 months ago
@apnwahoowa Really? You're playing the "God's children" card? Firstly, a cluster of cells is not a human being, which is what a baby begins as. It becomes a human after months of devolopment but the initial zygote has no functional or reason capabilities. It lacks a nervous system so it can't feel. It is not self aware and has no free will or reason. Therefore it is not human. Secondly, if you read the Bible you'll find that your God is totally down with infaticide.
TheManMostMysterious 7 months ago
I agree with Ron Paul that according to the Constitution, the federal govn't doesn't have the authority to take a stance for or against abortion, and should be handled on the state level, nor should abortion in legal states be funded by taxpayers on any level of govn't.
mrbenderson005 8 months ago
Republicans need their minimum-wage workforce, so any abortions less would be a plus in their eyes. And they get to force people to use expensive private facilities, or in the case of illegal ones, (if they get caught) feed the prison-industrial complex.
All the while showing to the (willingly?) ignorant religious right that they are such family-values conservatives.
Tounushi 9 months ago
@Tounushi So would it be better for the government to force me to pay for a woman's abortion even though I believe abortion is abhorrent? I hardly call not giving that woman my money "forcing her to use expensive private facilities. I call it stopping her from mooching my money and using said money to free herself of the consequences of her actions.
apnwahoowa 8 months ago
@apnwahoowa
So even if she didn't want a child (or even attempt to get a child) she needs to bear it no matter what?
i.e. rape cases. What is she supposed to do? Make lemons into lemonade?
Tounushi 8 months ago
@Tounushi The percentage of people that get abortions because of rape or incest is <0.5%. So, let's talk about the real issue: the 99.5% that had sex willingly with a non-family member and are now trying to escape the consequences of their actions by killing off another human being. People need to learn to be responsible for their actions. If you don't want a baby, then don't have sex. It is as simple as that.
apnwahoowa 8 months ago 2
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@apnwahoowa having sex is not a crime, and no zygote/embryo/fetus exists at the time the woman chooses to have sex. she can't be punished and have her rights stripped when she did nothing wrong. people can have sex all they like, whether you wish to impose prudish personal morals on everyone or not. and having an abortion IS being responsible for your actions. do YOU have to go thru the abortion, or does she? get a clue.
slyjokerg 2 months ago
@Tounushi STOP WITH THAT STUPID RAPE ARGUEMENT, IF YOU DID YOUR HOMEWORK YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ANY RAPE VICTIM GETS THE MORNING AFTER PILL WHEN THEY GO TO THE HOSPITAL TO DO A RAPE KIT!
carmel350 8 months ago
@breemystic I hate oil subsidies as much as you do Bro dont get it twisted
I believe I explained to reasonable degree why raising the corporate tax is in principle not a very good idea
If the woman is paying out of her pocket, fine. I guess that's where we had the misunderstanding
shotsky94 9 months ago
@shotsky94 Yep that's where everyone has the misunderstanding. I volunteer for Naral Ohio and Ohio PP. It's a sliding scale on what the woman pays. If she has the money to pay for it, she pays 300.00-650.00 for the typically first trimester abortion. If she doesn't have that, there are people who donate to PP specifically to make it so that there is a sliding scale. I can't stand how people think that a woman walks in and pays nothing for an abortion.
And I'm glad you hate Oil Subsides too.
breemystic 9 months ago
@shotsky94 Here's the website for the Cincinnati PP affiliated Abortion Clinic, type in womensmedcenter . com. It says "Financial Assistance
Financial assistance is available from a private foundation for those living in households at or near the poverty level or on Medicaid. Call one of our Centers and we can provide more information and help with the application process."
Note the Private Foundation part. It's not even called Planned Parenthood. But the Cincinnati one is right next to PP.
breemystic 9 months ago
@shotsky94 Correction on the Cincinnati Abortion clinic, the women's med center is a privately funded one, but the PP version is the Elizabeth Campbell Surgical Center – Cincinnati, OH that would be funded by Private Donations because it only does abortions, whereas the Elizabeth Campbell Medical Center is ran by Title X and Private Donations, but it only offers Family Planning and Referral services. It's clearly under 2 different names in this case and I bet PPs in Indiana are like it.
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic Lol, First of all, churches are non-profit organizations atleast in principle therefore they are tax-exempt like charities, colleges, etc. And you didn't say anything about private donors before so dont switch the argument; It was about taxpayer dollars. And just in case you didnt know, there's a strong case for aboliting the corporate tax because if you know anything about finance, you'd figure it essentially serves as a double tax in addition to employee's income tax.
shotsky94 9 months ago
@shotsky94 Private Donations and a woman paying money out of her pocket is what this is about. You as a tax payer do not pay for someone's abortion unless they are rape or incest victims or the woman is about to die. When someone goes to PP they pay at least 300.00 for a First Trimester abortion, keyword the woman does.
And based on your answer, looks like I won't get my wish for corporations to pay taxes and not receive subsidies which I'm against, so you just contradicted yourself, congrats.
breemystic 9 months ago
@shotsky94 Why is it okay for you and Indiana Pro-Lifers to get their wish and get PP Defunded, while it's ludicrous for me to suggest that the Poor Oil Companies pay taxes and not get Billion dollar subsidies. That's not something I believe in? I wanted Big Oil Defunded.
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic You do realize money is fungible right? It doesn't matter whether they set up a thousand different accounts because in principle the money is still flowing to hospitals. I suggest you read up about fungibility of money
shotsky94 9 months ago
@shotsky94 It's not fungible, private donors who wish to pay for a low income woman's abortion and the woman herself pays for it. You should not think you can tell people what they can and can't donate to and what people can and can't spend their money on.
If that's the case, Churches should have to count OFFERING and Tithes as taxable income. Because I don't support Church or Church affiliated organizations getting that exemption without filing a 990 PF. I hate that just as much as you hate PP
breemystic 9 months ago
@shotsky94 On top of that I don't wish to pay for Subsidies to Big Oil, Big Banks and Big Farms. I don't wish for my money to go to Christian-Affiliated Crisis Pregnancy Centers or Pregnancy Help Centers should any money go to them if they're religious based due to the establishment clause?
I want big corporations to pay taxes, not 0% like GE and still get a subsidy. As you can see, there are ALOT of things I don't want taxpayer money going to, but I will never see them defunded.
breemystic 9 months ago
@shotsky94 Like I said, it didn't stop the abortion clinics that PP runs or is affiliated with. Those will stay running, because those are funded by the other 66% of PP's income. They will however have to close many of the PP Clinic's that don't offer abortion, and 9000 patients that receive Contraceptives, STD screenings, Breast and Cervical Screenings and other services. I'm crying for them and just sent them 25.00 which will take away from my 75.00 grocery bill to help in this cause.
breemystic 9 months ago
@shotsky94 And you can bet I'm deducting any money that I send to them from my Taxes, just like Religious Members do on their taxes and if you or anyone has a problem with that, i don't know if you're Christian, then we can just make donations non-deductible, since I don't support Christian or Catholic Churches, especially knowing that they are run on tithes and the clergy's income is tax exempt.
breemystic 9 months ago
What is happening to this fucking country? Are we gonna go back to principals before the 1960s? I really hope not cuz I'm gonna have to leave....
psychokillercrab 9 months ago
@rylraven13 I know you think PP is wonderful and great, but the fact is they do abortions and i do not approve of the wilful killing of innocent life. We the taxpayers should have the right to choose on these sort of things
shotsky94 9 months ago
@shotsky94 In Indiana PP had a separate account for the 4 only abortion clinics that were run by PP there are 28 in Indiana and now 9000 medicaid patience that will not get care, because apparently having a separate account that the Title X money went to, having the information readily available online and constantly audited wasn't enough.
I don't like the fact that my self-employment tax which is for medicare and SS went to the Bush Tax cuts and the Iraq war, should i have been able to chose?
breemystic 9 months ago
No Cenk, the only thing history can teach us about democrats, is that they can't learn squat from history.
MyTemporaryAccount88 9 months ago
Pro-Choice has been my deal breaker since I was old enough to vote. I can agree with almost everything a politician says but if they come out against Choice then I won't vote for them period. The day that Abortions become illegal is the day I take my taxes to another, more evolved, country.
rylraven13 9 months ago
@rylraven13
Okay then. You must really love getting your abortions then.
I would recommend just using contraception, my own self.
MyTotalRemedy 9 months ago
@MyTotalRemedy It's not about abortions, it's about choice. I know plenty of people who would counsel against abortions but they believe in a woman's right to choose. Being pro-choice does not mean being pro-abortion. And for your information, when I first got married I got pregnant and *gasp* I was on the pill at the time. If someone has an abortion that does not mean they were some irresponsible hussy from the ghetto, that's right wing propaganda and you need to educate yourself.
rylraven13 9 months ago
If you don't let me kill babies at my convenience you're breaching my rights.
TheNightSpirit666 9 months ago
FINALLY!!!!!!!! I've being being a bitch about this for a while and was wondering why TYT never made a video relating to this (because it's a really insane law and REQUIRES the doctors to OUT-RIGHT LIE to their patients so they don't get an abortion)....
PP has been defunded, and an injunction (don't know what that is or even if I even put in the right word) has been filed and rejected.
OukaKisa 9 months ago
over nine thou...hundred
(so close)
DavidMadsen 9 months ago
@NonisMonster Abortions.....what else could i possibly be talking about
shotsky94 9 months ago
Cenk, you idiot. The democrats dont WANT to fight back. They just pretend to be slightly less crazy in order to give to the american people the illusion of a choice.
erjoalgo 9 months ago
What a woman does is her business in my opinion. However, I will not support my tax dollars going to this sort of things. I think the federal government has overstepped its limits.
shotsky94 9 months ago
@shotsky94 Spent on what sort of things?
NonisMonster 9 months ago
@shotsky94 Like it or not your tax dollars are going to go somewhere you don't want them to. My tax dollars are going towards plenty of things that I don't agree with. But if you think that PP is some abortion factory you are severely mistaken. PP performs pregnancy tests, Permanent and Non Permanent birth control, STD testing, and cancer screenings. We have 3 PP in my area and ONE of them does abortions. When I was in college PP was how I afforded BC. That's what the funding is doing.
rylraven13 9 months ago
America is a joke to Europe, incredibly backward ,massive inequality and most of all a docile and moronic population that is brainwashed by far right wing propaganda.
Sleck06 9 months ago
@Sleck06 Sooooo true man, so true. I am American and i agree with you. I hope your country doesn't adapt US policies, otherwise you're all doomed.
Stingerbillion 9 months ago
Monitor yourselves under Divine Providence. Thank You
herodotall 9 months ago
Abortion is a non-issue get over it you baby killer and grave huggers.
itubeutube4u 9 months ago
@Timeofflux corporate personhood?, i haven't heard of that, but yes it does sound strange to me if what you say is true. but doesn't really have anything to do with "infants in the womb." like i said i don't consider it to be an infant when it is in the womb. nothing personal, i just don't think this conversation is going anywhere. take care.
MisterNickOtine 9 months ago
@Timeofflux corporations having human rights? what? anyway....
ok i understand your view now. you believe that it is a child developing in the womb, essentially you are saying, from what i gather, that you feel that it doesn't matter what the differences of the stages of development are and it is "sacred" no matter what. i have made my points with you and i see that it won't change your opinion. lovely to have had correspondence. good day.
MisterNickOtine 9 months ago
Mitch is NO CONSERVATIVE!! 1st thing when he became Gov., Raised Property Taxes. He Loves Windmills and Biofuels (Subsidized=Paid for by the Tax Payer). He came up with HIP (Healthy Indiana Plan ie: Romney Health Plan Light) paid by a .40 cent added tax on each pack of cigarettes! (Oh...it's financing has dried up...big suprise.) Not to mention all the "Can't we all get along" speeches he has had. He is a "Reach Across the Aisle", Guy. Mitch....the Mainstream Medias Next "MAVERICK".
eatmelibs 9 months ago
Dude Indiana woman here....yup to say the least this guy isn't worth a damn. Ridiculous.
corndogsx4xbreakfast 9 months ago
Oh and something else to think about, that horrible miscarriage bill that we all heard about that would subject any woman who had a miscarriage to be investigated for child endangerment or murder, if an embryo the size of a quarter, kidney bean or grain of rice were to be considered a person. Do we really really really want that?
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic i don't. that's insane. and heres another thing to think about if the woman drank or smoked while she was pregnant she could be charged with giving alcohol or tobacco to a minor?
MisterNickOtine 9 months ago
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breemystic 9 months ago
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@breemystic lol you misunderstood me. it's cool no worries.
MisterNickOtine 9 months ago
@MisterNickOtine I misread so I erased the first one I put to you. It is insane and if people don't wake up it's coming.
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic i know. im really terrified for women, and i don't know what to do to help. you just can't reason with fundamentalists.
MisterNickOtine 9 months ago
@MisterNickOtine I agree and most of them especially the fundamentalist women are going to find themselves sorry when the women's rights movement is overturned and we have the rights of a woman in Afghanistan.
breemystic 9 months ago
I realize most of the people on here wouldn't go so far as to ban contraceptives. But there are Religious Fundamentalist who are the executive directors of these organizations that are created by the Religious right who refuse to even fill a contraceptive prescription or refuse to give the morning after pill and you can bet that they want it to be law that no one gets contraception. When say life begins at conception they mean the very minute of conception.
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic too true. they seem to think that some magical act happens at conception (like endowment of soul or something).its nothing more than fantasy belief told to them by theologians. no rational evidence just emotion. and have you ever read on their reasoning why "artificial" contraceptives are bad, likeargument that it frustrates the "natural purpose" it is wholly ridiculous. if you applied the same logic they useto say that contraception is "inherently evil" then anything artificial is
MisterNickOtine 9 months ago
I am Pro-Choice for one reason and one reason only, because if Abortion aka the murdering of the unborn baby or as scientists like to call it an embryo, zygote or fetus, doesn't matter because once we "redefine" the legal definition of person to an embryo. Guess what? Morning after Pill gone, because it has abortive properties. Goodbye Contraception especially the Pill and IUD because it causes an Early Abortion. Where do we draw the line so that women have no way to prevent pregnancy?
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic
The morning after pill is NOT abortion at all. It has nothing to do with abortion and is just like any other birth control. They only thing that makes it different is the fact that it is for emergencies and it works fast to be sure to block any sperm from reaching the egg. If you think the morning after pill goes in and kills a fertilized egg, you need to do your research. Birth control pills are all about stopping sperm from reaching an egg at all.
kirabook 9 months ago
@kirabook Yes, but that's neither here nor there with fundamentalists and life begins at conception people they will say that the morning after pill has abortive properties. And Birth Control Pills have several properties one of them keeping sperm from reaching an egg, but if that fails it keeps a zygote that's formed from an embryo from becoming a fetus by keeping the zygote from implanting in the Uterus and law makers in Florida have blocked contraception in the Florida Personhood Amendment.
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic
I understand. From what I know of of IUD, it works the same way that MP does. I don't use birth control nor am I sexually active so I could care less really.
But whoever thinks that way is an idiot. One of the reasons the U.S prospers today is because the population growth is so low. They can take away all the contraceptives, education, and resources they want. They along with everyone under them will suffer the consequences of even more people born into this country.
kirabook 9 months ago
@kirabook Yep, brainwashed sheep that follow Jesus the Shepard and their master will be sorry. We're fast approaching into a 3rd world country.
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic
I'm Chrisitan, but dang. :/
I'm not going to go telling people they aren't allowed to stop having babies. What the hell? I'm not them, they aren't me, I doubt I know them. And it's idiotic to push ones beliefs onto other people. I'm ashamed to be associated with some hypocritical Christians who call themselves pro-lifers.
If you want an abortion, use birth control, yada yada, go ahead. I'm not stopping you. *is pro-choice*
kirabook 9 months ago
@kirabook You're one of the good ones then and I'm glad to know you. But yeah, some fundamentalists are really extreme.
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic
They are completely ruining the world these days. They're all so corrupt and lying constantly. It's sickening, giving every religion a bad name. They aren't even extreme, they are just liars pushing something they want onto the people that sometimes can't do anything about it.
kirabook 9 months ago
@kirabook I have been doing my research and what the fundamentalist side will lie about to get contraception and the morning after pill banned. I am quite aware that the morning after pill keeps fertilization from happening, but the pill and IUD just block the zygote from implanting and becoming a fetus and I'm just giving you the angle that these people are going to take, if we outlaw abortion by saying it's a person from the moment of conception, okay?
breemystic 9 months ago
@kirabook And by the way that Florida Personhood Amendment is coming for 2012.
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic
Glad I don't live in Florida. But I'm sure other idiotic states can follow.
kirabook 9 months ago
@kirabook Yep and people have asked why I'm concerned about it, since I'm in Ohio and not in Florida, but Ohio is one of the most conservative states and we have the Heart Bill being discussed right now. I don't want Ohio politicians getting any ideas.
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic
Urg. My friend lives there and she complains how much she hates it all the time. I went there once to visit a few museums and didn't like it even though I was only there for a day.
kirabook 9 months ago
@kirabook Yep, I can't wait to move, my husband and I are thinking of California hopefully, somewhere were fundamentalists with more money than they know what to do with, don't have power over what laws are made.
I don't blame you for not liking Ohio, it's mostly rural towns and cities for the most part. We suffer horrible unemployment rates that aren't showing the true numbers because of unemployment running out and no one wanting to come to create jobs, because of the education system.
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic
We went to Cincinnati. I know every place has rude people, but there was A LOT of rude people. And honking horns impatiently. Of all the places I've been, I don't think I've ever disliked a location it so quickly.
After college... not sure where I want to live. I want to go to my hometown in IL, but my mom lives here in GA and I'm going to school here... who knows.
kirabook 9 months ago
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@BlackMambakins
That seems a bit crazy to get pregnant, when theirs plenty of birth control methods for women, and then greatly affect the babies life because of your poor choices in your own.
cplusplusgamer 9 months ago
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Look like Cenk is wearing blue eye shadow
MrDaffyman 9 months ago
Leave abortion to the women. THEY should be the only people who decided if abortion is illegal or not. Because when it really comes down to it, it's a WOMAN'S CHOICE. If you ban abortion done by doctors women will get them done by some in the back alley with a hanger or baseball bat. So unless you have a set of tits and a pussy shut the fuck up about abortion. No one wants to read your preachy BS.
Jamez773 9 months ago
@Jamez773
Really, they'd go through all that trauma to abort a baby? Using a baseball bat or a coat hangar is a bit extreme.
cplusplusgamer 9 months ago
They punch you right in the face and break your jaw... Niggah?? Is that what Cenk said!?
qwertishly 9 months ago