Kevin Mealamu Headbutt, Dylan Hartley forearm.England v All Blacks 2010

[dartmoordog]

Dont know why there is such a fuss. Mealamu is known as the "Cheap shot king" It is what we expect from him.

[87Kiwiboi]

@dartmoordog really? Apart from the BOD incident and this what else has he done to be titled "cheap shot king"? I thought Bakkies would get that title ;-)

[HansdaMan73]

I am english and although i thought that they were both fouls , I thought hartleys pathetic attempt at cheating was rather embarrasing

[ragers66]

@TheSkankat No, I've thrown enough pearls before the swine (YOU!!). Time to give someone else a verbal buffeting.......

[ragers66]

@TheSkankat Weren't you known as thickasabrick on youtube last year? Thought so. You're right to call me a hori you idiot,....haven't you figured out I'm a Maori yet? Hahahaha, I am a darkie you ignorant dipshit! LOL

I've already buried your bullshit and falsehood. Read my posts, show some comprehension and you'll get your facts right while your freezing in your narrow, brick box you idiot.

The next installment of "theSkankat's Ignorant Ramblings" coming tomorrow?! LOL

[ragers66]

@TheSkankat Andy Hadens a racist, what's that prove? How about Enoch Powell, The National Front, skinheads....oh yeah, you command the high ground alright....pffftttt.

They're New Zealanders.  And you're fuckin delusional!! Hahahaha, it's so funny to see the ravings of a loony Pom who knows he's been PWND bigtime.

I'll send you the address of a psych ward, looks like your heading down the padded room route. Take a big breath and just accept the FACTS this Hori's been telling you! LOL

[OneBigRetard]

@ragers66

Enoch Powell was racist??

[Aidankiwi]

@ragers66 No point in arguing with that fuckwit Skankrat. He is the typical arrogant English, perfidious Albion, Rule Britannia believing arsehole who thinks the British Empire still covers a quater of the globe. Ever wonder why NZ, Australia, Scotland, Ireland, Wales all love to see England lose. What that sad moron Skankrat can't accept is that EVERY nation has players in thier international teams that come from other nations, his precious England as much, if not more, than any other nation.

[ragers66]

@TheSkankat No dork. That is not the truth of the matter. NZ IS their OWN country. That's why they play for the AB's. Money's not the driver for an AB jersey for PI NZ'ers any more then it is for any other. Prove it,....you can't! Most players get more money playing for Euro club sides then national sides!

You're a bullshitter, not many people use "darkie" as an epithet in NZ. You should get your own house in order with the "PAKI's" you nitwit. We know you poms HATE them.

[ragers66]

@TheSkankat You know nothing. Keep it up from that pie hole of yours. We'll keep throwing the shit down it.

[ragers66]

@TheSkankat First choice AB's! Why? Because they're New Zealanders!

Why would someone want to play international rugby for 2 nations? Because they could, dolt! If your not good enough to make the AB's anymore...why not?

As for Inga, that's what players do...idiot! Plenty of pommie players went north for dosh you moron. How do you think the game of rugby league originated? Fark, your clueless....but I realized that when you spammed my email box with expletive laden bullshit.

[ragers66]

@TheSkankat You fucken' know so!

[Aidankiwi]

@TheSkankat My lot? Who are my lot? I am not a New Zealander (how many times do you need to be told that before it penetrates in to your consciousness?) . I don't know what is so funny about charitable work . I did so for 2 spells with VSO and was very rewarding.

[Aidankiwi]

@TheSkankat I am not really anti-english, despite my tongue in cheek dig in the last post. I am however against Hooray Henry English Rugby fans who seem to have a collective superiority complex. Can't wait for September and to see you lot leave NZ with your tails between your legs. Oh by the way, I look forward to your reply to Ragers66. Would you like cream or custard with your humble pie?

[OneBigRetard]

@Aidankiwi

Nor can I wait for the mass of suicides as the ABs choke yet again. Man it will be as funny as anything. Unfortunately it is unlikely to be the French, but I hope it is.

[Aidankiwi]

@OneBigRetard Past record of 'choking' as you put it is irrelevant. But as you use that term it appears therefore to be a tacit acknowledgement that the ABs are the best. Good that you recognize that, albeit reluctantly, otherwise I would suggest that your user name is wholly appropriate.

I look forward to you 'choking' on your words when Richie McCaw lifts they trophy.

[OneBigRetard]

@Aidankiwi

Oh I admit it. The facts speak for themselves. The ABs can make a claim to be the best side in any sport. Their W/L ratio is a fact.

They just are not the best RWC team. You say it has no relevance, I disagree. The pressure has made them play like fools, especially the last time out.

Your petty insults aside, the fact is McCaw SHOULD lift the trophy. That is why if and when he doesn't it will be funny beyond measure.

Then we can hear the ref get threatened and tears all round etc.

[Aidankiwi]

@TheSkankat Eh what NZ qualifications? I am a British citizen and passport holder and only emigrated to NZ 4 years ago (far superior place to live than England I hasten to add). Despite having the blot on my CV of working in England ;), my career seems to have survived. FWIW I have lived and worked in such diverse places as England, Rwanda, Wales, Peru, Scotland and now NZ. Even Rwanda was better than England to work in, NZ has been the best.

[ragers66]

@TheSkankat What foreigners? There are none. They've all come through the system and are New Zealanders. No rejects who couldn't make it where they came from, like Hartley!

By the way, John Timu is a Maori and could never play for Samoa. Frank Bunce was born & bred in New Zealand and only played for Samoa because he couldn't make the All Blacks at the time (he later did). Inga and Michael Jones were small kids when their parents EMIGRATED. They're all proud New Zealanders.

[Aidankiwi]

@ragers66 ...continued In the case of the majority of Pacific islanders who play for the ABs they been in NZ since a very young age when the migrated with thier parents or are second generation migrants. What Skankrat is too stupid to realise, is that Pacific Island migration to NZ has propotionately been just as prevalent as Afro-carribean or Indian or Pakistani migration to the UK.

[OneBigRetard]

@Aidankiwi

Yeah, but the Sub-Continent and the Caribbean don't have their own top-level rugby teams that suffer as a consequence.

Either way, this is always a silly argument. Fact is, if you can do it within the rules laid down you can play for whoever you want. And good luck.

Gallagher was a great player for you guys. You were welcome to him.

[Aidankiwi]

@OneBigRetard ..not in rugby terms no but in other sports??? As you say this aspect of the argument is irrelevant as these are the rules. I did not raise th e subject though it was the user Skankrat or whatever his or her name is that raised the issue of migrated players, I simply responded.

They are not 'my guys', I am not a New Zealand-er, I live there though.

Why would it be funny if the ABs don't win? Please illuminate.

[OneBigRetard]

@Aidankiwi

Why? Because the fans cry like babies and slag the ref like tarts when they lose. To choke at home (the only home RWC they'll ever have) will be funny. If they win glorious.

Just read some of the bullshit after 2007. If that does not make you laugh you must be a kiwi because the rest of the rugby world chortles in fine style.

[Aidankiwi]

@ragers66 ...continued. Interestingly NZ authorities have never fast-tracked a citizenship or passport application in the manner the UK authorities did in the 1980s to allow Zola Budd to participate in the 1984 Olympics. Pots and Kettles......

[Aidankiwi]

@TheSkankat (Continued) is wasting their time trying to debate with you. As for the one or two individuals you name...ask them not me. I will ask you however what on earth precisely is point you are trying to make? To me it is irrelevant...a bit like yourself.

[Aidankiwi]

@TheSkankat Point 1. I don't spend my entire life in front of a computer unlike you, you sad individual. Point 2. How can any rational person answer your inane drivel. It's easy to point out isolated individuals but in the main most ABs are New Zealanders by birth or have been resident in NZ since birth.. The hypcrisy lies with you as it was you not me who first raised the subject of 'foreigners'. Your argument defeats itself. I will not reply to you any further as it is clear that any sane

[Aidankiwi]

@TheSkankat Just as long...except most of them have been NZ resident since birth or since they were kids. Pacific island immigrants in NZ are as common as Afro-Carribean immigrants in England. Have you forgotten you were the one who first raised the subject of foreigners in the ABs team? Yet you don't like it when it is pointed out to you that your beloved England team is not exactly full of Albions finest? So not only are you a hypocrite you are a demented hypocrite

[Aidankiwi]

@TheSkankat Hahahaha so ironic considering the number of 'foreigners' who arrive off the plane in England and get a cap for England as soon as they get a UK passport. In the case of the ABs many of these guys are 2nd or 3rd generation in NZ or arrive in NZ as young kids. Fucking English hypocrite...where would the Football premiership be with out the cash? Nowhere.

[drumrugbycrazykid64]

Brad Thorn takes shit from no Man!!!

[rednech23]

brad thorn is a fucking tank. 

[Tehui1974]

Pussy cheap shot by Harley

[schnozz87]

@Tehui1974 And the one from Mealamu is what? Brave?

[hailee2005]

@TheSkankat its also called professional sport mate, you cuold say the same about any anybody, john gallagher, timu, frano botica all switched to league in their prime, in league henry paul quit the kiwis & played union for england as has the great englishman shontayne hape, theres a list a mile wide of players whove left nz 2 chase coin, nothing new there & the beauty is that theres always somebody else to step off the production line to take their place

[TheDavelogan]

@TheSkankat Problem with that is that, they've got the big players, but they don't have technical ability, which they get from the New Zealand born and bred coaches. Dollars talk, but you don't just buy a big islander and set him loose, that way you'll never be that great. You gotta remember that

[TheDavelogan]

The English, Aussies and us New Zealanders have the most biased commentators in rugby. It's annoying. South Africans are actually quite nuetral, which you don't expect...or I'm just prejudiced lol

[hailee2005]

@TheSkankat dude alot of our brown brothers ar either 2nd generation nzers, or been here since they were young & played all of their rugby here so it might pay 2 check a few facts b4 making rediculous statements

[hailee2005]

man those commentators are fucken terrible "i dunno why mealamus getting involved for, at least he didnt butt him on the floor, haha" i thought it was only ours & the aussies commentators that were one eyed & biased, obviously i was wrong, btw hartleys a dropnuts

[Mike308win]

Forget the other guy, Mealamu tilts his head and deliberately head butted this guy. Wasn't Kevin involved in the tackle with Umaga on Bryan O'Driscoll?

[23RAIDa]

Man, the English are really hard fuckers. They stand their ground even when they're outnumbered or weaker than the opposing team. BUT KIWIS ARE STILL STRONGER THAN THEM. BRAD THORN IS AWESOME. NO ONE CAN SHOULDER TACKLE HIM ON THE FLOOR

[danch10]

brad thorn= beast , he bearly gets knocked over lol

[44redman1]

england has to be the best country at getting up in oppositions faces, no matter who they are.

[doggishfool]

@44redman1 people get pissed with the english side because they're all fucking ugly cunts

[ragers66]

@44redman1 They're pretty good at losing too....

[themongrell]

both were cheap shots and should both have the same suspension,got to like the one eyed comentary though

[joeyx456]

shot mealamu you tell those english motherfuckers NO ONE MESSES WITH NEW ZEALAND!

[Mike308win]

Forget the other incidents, now about this headbutt, it certainly looked deliberate. 

[4QMUNZ]

mo1da...Hartlys trying to get the ball...LMAO..if only the ball was stuck on mccaws head..

[hoffmanel4]

fisty cuffs ...really that was so not a head butt

[wytmaori]

what about those pomes in the four nations league. bahaha.

[smor193]

The fact that Mealamu has never done anything malicious in his career doesn't mean he shouldn't be suspended. It means he should be given consideration and a lighter suspension. It was a headbutt and meaulamu is lucky not to get six weeks for it, as far as dylan hartley goes, he has struck Richie with his forarm and should gave been sighted under the same offence as Mealamu, he didn't properly connect with the knee or elbow (only forearm) and so was most likely overlooked as no damage was done

[mo1da]

Yeah, Mealamu's never done anything malicious in his whole career (oh apart from the spear tackle on O'Driscoll which is probably the most famous incidence of foul play in the history of the game) he's the cleanest player ever.

Hartley was trying to get the ball off McCaw. Mealamu was trying to headbutt Moody. Hence citing and deserved ban vs no citing. Justice prevails.

[tkfisho]

@mo1da Have another look!! That was an elbow in the neck/jaw area - more dangerous than the back of the head bump.

[hailee2005]

@mo1da  oh so thats the way u get the ball off somebody, forearm to the face, ill try that at the next breakdown

[bob195531]

Mealamu is a clean player I think all that happened here is he dived in and unwittingly made a wrong contact. It was a genuine mistake not a deliberate attempt to head butt or shoulder hit.  4 matches is over the top. A warning for the future bearing in mind his past conduct has been excellent would have sufficed. Certainly the hit by Hartley was worse as he deliberately offends and he didn't even get a citing! Somethings wrong here.

bob195531 57 seconds ago

[wobblybob2204]

@bob195531 Why dive in- Moody is on the floor, Mealamu should stay on his feet?

[bob195531]

@wobblybob2204 I agree the point I was trying to make is the offence did not seem deliberate more reckless. He finally got 2 matches suspension which I think is fair. 

[Gunnnnnnerss]

Brad Thorn got a nice shot in there haha well deserved 

[brynjones11]

stupid english cunt deserved it fuck england they should be honoured to walk the same ground as the all blacks

[wobblybob2204]

@brynjones11 Wake up big boy, in the RWC New Zealand have won once and come 2nd, 3rd and 4th. England have won once and come 2nd twice. So they should not be honoured to walk the same ground at all. The AB's are great but not untouchable.

[volumed567]

@wobblybob2204 what about the record between england and the all blacks? they have played 34 times, New Zealand have won 27, England have won 6 and 1 game was drawn. Explain those stats

[maristsp]

@wobblybob2204 does england have the highest win rate of any in sports team in sporting history? NO THE ALL BLACKS DO!!

. . stop comparing yourselves in a knockout tournament that has only been held 6 times.

[wobblybob2204]

@maristsp You must be very proud. If you don't want to be judged in a World Cup situation fine.

[wobblybob2204]

@maristsp You must be very proud. If you don't want to be judged in a World Cup situation fine. I was making the point England should not be honoured to walk on the same bit of grass as New Zealand- if you think you are that good well stay at home with your sheep.

[MrXorHomer]

@wobblybob2204 Terrible insult is terrible.

[UHtiger]

@wobblybob2204 thats hilarious, thats the only thing english fans can ever come up with. 27 wins to 6. thats a good win ratio against any team, the fact that you lot created the sport, have a sh*t load more money and have around 100,000 more players to choose from makes the win ratio even more funny.

[wobblybob2204]

@UHtiger Sorry love, Scottish, I am neutral and certainly not an English fan- I just judged the clip and an idiot rant :) At least you have a half decent football team/cricket team now. Let's not get into where half theplayers come from as it certainly isn't New Zealand (as England's cricket team are South African and Irish before you start). 27 wins to 6 is a good ratio, it's just the World Cup where they seem to buckle under pressure? Or get food poisoning? England can be onthe same pitch.

[candjkeech]

Both incidents are offences and should be dealt with. However KM's was so intentional and cannot possibly be defended even by an ex Welsh Manager. The shirt was grabbed, the head angled and the action was without question calculated and thus intentional. This cannot be defended and Steve Hansen is just wasting the B's time.IRB's time

[Vindexter]

The ball is in play the guy on the ground was tackled and was playing the ball as part of that tackle - Mealalamu is entitled to contest this action - which he does by barging the guy on the ground - Mealamu doesn't even look or line up his head - the fact that their heads collide is accidental - Mealamu would have done better to have stayed on his feet.

There is nothing in it - it is not cynical or done with any malice..

[cornishbuddha]

He clearly lifted him out to get the head butt in, thats why he was cited

[thebigeazy13]

@cornishbuddha and Hartley didnt intentionally drop a forearm on McCaws head Are you that blind?? Dumb ass!!! Which was more intentional?? I have my own idea guess its diffrent to yours hahahaha

[stevendrewitt]

Brad Thorn you are a legend, Keven that was pretty ugly 4 weeks seems fair. Hartley should have gotten a couple for that effort to.

[Bateman49]

Mealamu did a cheap shot and hes got done for it but if Harley doesn't get done as well then that's a joke

[ne1forwine]

plus poms are shite, only just reached 5th in the world ranking. shit cunts~

[ne1forwine]

Harley is such a faggot

[diskoman10]

Hahaha- thorn takes 2 steps and puts Hartley on his ass. The English player takes a run up and only budges Thorn 2 steps. Funny. Keven mate- that was pretty malicious.

[wobblybob2204]

It's amazing how quick the AB's 7 can get up when it suits him, maybe he should try it on his own without a dwarf's help. Body checking someone from behind when they aren't looking as a a girly scrum half lookie likie pulls you shirt at the same time is not as marvellous as some of you seem to think, certainly not his bitch. Referring to Mealamu, what makes his more calculated than the Hartley cheapshot is he held on to the collar to pull him on to his head; I am sure he'll get away withit.

[ragers66]

I see that black lock couldn't put Thorn off his feet, had a good go at him too! A bit soft I think...didn't do a lot either during the game.

Is he a PC equal opp. selection? lol

[Artbrucefunkel]

@ragers66 Not sure what Courtney Lawes colour has got to do with anything? i hope you understand that this kind of remark is incredibly offensive.

[ragers66]

@Artbrucefunkel And? Why should anyone be offended? It's a distinguishing feature...any other silly remarks?

[Artbrucefunkel]

@ragers66 sorry I thought that it was a pointless and potentially very offensive remark to even imagine that equal opportunities should be 'P.C'. a bit daily mail ya know. Hey now you've got me doing it, oversimplifying. Maybe I'm just exhibiting blog rage, you know the one, when you get so caught up in arguing with a complete stranger that you forget to engage the rational part of your brain which is screaming 'stop arguing with faceless strangers in the middle of the night and goto bed' gnight

[hailee2005]

@Artbrucefunkel haha, i like it, gonna use that advice myself if ya dont mind

[spjunior11]

thorn rettaliated and shoulder charged shouldnt this be cited???

[ragers66]

@spjunior11 No. Minor indeed, retaliation usually gets dealt with by a penalty. Obviously it's further down the scale of offenses then elbow drops to the head!! Oops! Sorry, maybe not, the pro-wrestling move didn't get any sanction...either at the time or from the citing commissioner!!

Strange indeed.

[gizarangi]

shocking piece of reffing. mccaw gets a forearm from a player that came from the side and gave him a cheapshot and then the all blacks get a penalty against them. ggggggrrrrrr

[thebo101]

big bad brad thorn the man.... I wen to school with hartley he is a poof, thorn would kill him

[yourboringshutup]

The English back line has shown more variety of late. There's a taller guy, a shorter guy and another bloke seems to have changed the way he does his hair.

[gizarangi]

@yourboringshutup england are just lucky the all blacks were playing shit that night because they would of raped that english team on a good day

[mark130471]

@yourboringshutup Love your work, ;-)

[teejayseven]

@yourboringshutup lmao i havent laughed this hard in yonks, cheers

[eugenius101]

see Thorn's strength !!!

[georgesyrups]

ha i cant believe hartley hasnt been sighted for this. with all this talk that the all blacks are 'untouchable' maybe the IRB is trying to prove a point....... it'd be much easier if they just punished people equally without taking their nationality into account. kev's headbutt was bad but so was hartley's cheap shot. at least brad thorn fukd him up

[thebigeazy13]

@georgesyrups 

[deankett7]

Brian Moore was molested as a child, he has been a cry-baby for a while. Cried to press when Fitzy when said to Ubogo ' come on you black barstard, lets see how you can scrummage'. Was widely castigated by English players. Cried while speaking at a rugby dinner that my mate was at. Deal with your childhoood, don't take it out on others and stop crying Moore. Oh paddy, about as cheap as kneeing McCaw in the head?

[deankett7]

Brian Moore was molested as a child, he has been a cry-baby for a while. Cried to press when Fitzy when said to Ubogo ' come on you black barstard, lets see how you can scrummage'. Was widely castigated by English players. Cried while speaking at a rugby dinner that my mate was at. Deal with your childhoood, don't take it out on others and stop crying Moore.

[hanros98]

he didn't hit him, brian at hartley haha

[hanros98]

brian Moore at he end, ' i don't know what mealamu is getting involved for atleast he did not headbutt him on the floor" pure english bias dylan had a run with a elbow straight into mccaw's face. ps i'm english as well

[Gdspdr]

I'm gald that Brad Thorn is on my team! Great to know he has my back, when I'm getting those cheap shots to the face and head. Thanks mate!

[wholemullet]

@paddy, you are an idiot

[Aaryn015]

Ahaha. Williams made Hartley his bitch

[Paddytreacy]

A cheap shot from Mealamu is nothing new. What a coward.



[deankett7]

@Paddytreacy Just like kneeing McCaw in the head? Your Irish lock was red-carded and sent home wasn't he? And you have still never beaten the ABs.

[UHtiger]

@Paddytreacy nothing new? theres only this and one other incident that i know of in his 11 year career.

[Aidankiwi]

Thank you for at least showing some balance by including Hartley's late assault on McCaw. Pity you didn't include it in the title though. Double standards from the IRB if they take no action against Hartley.

[Gracchi]

@Aidankiwi include what in the title bro,i did, unless he has been cited today that is,will check it out also yeah you right about IRB, thats why i added it.