Pokemon Heart Gold Soul Silver RNG Abuse: Legends/Wild Pokemon

[JustPlayPokemon]

This was very helpful. Thank you for your time making this. I am about to post my first capture video of a shiny Groudon in part because of this video's help. Thanks.

[plastreaka]

Urgh.. Smogon movesets are so overrated... Jesus, everyone uses them.

[Drwibblylever]

with HGSS can you use action replay or flashcarts?

[bearsfan092drums]

@Drwibblylever You can. You sort of can for Black/White, but it's not guaranteed.

[Drwibblylever]

@bearsfan092drums worked like a charm. :D thanks for the upload!

[RazorXXTreme]

NVM, dont answer that, I got it and now that seems like a nooby question

[RazorXXTreme]

Alright, I'm using RNG Reporter, is that better than JavaRNG?

[k3melinda]

I don't understand how to find capture seeds on RNG reporter 9.93. D:

[bearsfan092drums]

@k3melinda Either go on Smogon's site for some pre-listed ones or search for your own via JavaRNG, PokeRNG, or RNGreporter's Time Finder.  Change it to Method K and your criteria and you should be good.

[k3melinda]

Does it work on RNG Reporter 9.92?

[bearsfan092drums]

@k3melinda It does work. RNGreporters are usually backwards compatible except when an error is made that breaks an old feature.

[carmedone]

the links for the pikatimer and javaRNG don't work D:

[bearsfan092drums]

@carmedone Well, EonTimer outclasses Pikatimer, so google that. As far as JavaRNG, there should be a link in the smogon wifi forum's Most Generation RNG Help Thread.

[Catchyscissors]

plese help me wen tri to download pikatimer it redirects me to the website gamefront and it says file is unable to be downloaded

[ArabMoney3211]

I never showed my togepi to elm and I evolved it into togetic and now when I take it to him he doesnt mention it. Is there a way to fix this or am i just screwed?!?!

[bearsfan092drums]

@ArabMoney3211 Wouldn't know. Maybe check that it's your OT on the Togetic. If that fails, maybe try breeding for another Togepi.

[MrSuperHeatran]

Hehe I'm doing suicune too XD

[tubeflyer]

I never get the Pokerus call. How do I activate this?

[bearsfan092drums]

@tubeflyer Get something with Pokerus and visit a Pokemon Center. The nurse will give you this one time speech about Pokerus. After that, Elm will discuss Pokerus.

[uxsee3]

How do you check if your game only does odd/even delays?

[bearsfan092drums]

@uxsee3 Go check your seed a few times with the IV to seed checker thing. If they all come up even or odd, you'll know.

[Halo15Freak]

@bearsfan092drums do you check your youtube inboxes?

[bearsfan092drums]

@Halo15Freak I do, but I don't like it when people contact me there.

[Halo15Freak]

@bearsfan092drums Can you accept my youtube friend request?

[bearsfan092drums]

@Halo15Freak Having youtube friends is kinda pointless...

[InFeRnO954]

@bearsfan092drums lol it is isn't it

[uxsee3]

Forgot to add this:

How many frames does sweet scent advance?

[bearsfan092drums]

@uxsee3 Effectively alot. This is because there's teh frame advancement for the battle generation, and the frame advances by a shit ton during battle. Don't try it unless you want to hit a very high frame.

[uxsee3]

Is it ok if the frame is 8? ( I can't make all 12 calls or it's 13)

[ACDCFan15Swe]

Ive tried to hit my seed for over 3 hours now, hit everything else especially 1 seed too low and 1 seed to high... so annoying

[bearsfan092drums]

@ACDCFan15Swe Oh I always love this one. If you hit, say 1001 and 999 when you were aiming for 1000, you need to insert a 3rd Gen Pokemon GBA cartridge. This will allow you to hit 1000 and 1002 (and every other even), but you won't be able to hit 1001 and 999 (normally) until you remove the cartridge.

[ACDCFan15Swe]

@bearsfan092drums Cant I just change the odd/even thing?

[bearsfan092drums]

@ACDCFan15Swe I don't get what you mean. The method I described does change the odd/even thing.

[Ciemon]

@bearsfan092drums Hey! I just tried today to RNG a bit and after like 20 attempts I hit my seed, got the phone calls as listen but when I was at frame 22 (which is the frame i should be at) i still didn't get the shiny pokemon that i should have gotten.

the delay was like 745 and the phone calls all lined up, should have gotten a shiny ho-oh with lax nature and some IV stats that is all above 25. I used method K when i generated

[bearsfan092drums]

@Ciemon You missed your frame. Find out what you did hit.

[Ciemon]

@bearsfan092drums actually i found out just afterwards and i had missed to change to method K just after i had to restart the program due to something i can't remember, like a crash or something. and i didn't realize until after because the only difference in frames was +1 in method 1, so it said frame 22 when it shuold have been frame 21. that's why :P what should i have done with that frame to get a shiny with method one? is it roamers?

[bearsfan092drums]

@Ciemon Roamers I believe are done with Method 1, but they can be tricky depending on where you activate them. Gift Pokemon (from other people, Game Corner, etc) are Method 1 as well.

[Ciemon]

@bearsfan092drums Ye well I was on the right frame and stuff but in method 1, hehe. The frames were just after each other :) Identical too, so that's why I mixed it up when I didn't realize I had method 1. Anyways, it worked and I got my Ho-oh in the end :) Thanks for an awesome video!

[enrikillo3000]

quick question: can i rng headbutts??

[bearsfan092drums]

@enrikillo3000 I honestly don't know.

[diewfo89]

I want to catch a perfect/ near-perfect iv ditto on hgss on route 47. will i have to start the rng stuff all over again if the first pokemon i sweet scent isn't ditto?

just to be sure, talking/ sweet scenting a pokemon will advance the frame, right?

i read that using sweet scent to get pokemon will advance the frame inconsistently... is that true?

[bearsfan092drums]

@diewfo89 1. Yes. 2. Yes.  3. True.

[bearsfan092drums]

@GTwWeapon I don't get why the hell people feel inclined to post these types of things on my videos. No one asked for your opinion, not that it's wrong.

[xRallinkx]

Could you help me? I can't seem to figure out how to read the results on the spreadsheet. I've tried opening "SpreadsK" and "spreadsJunk" as a .csv file in OpenOffice, but all I get is random symbols, and no results.

[bearsfan092drums]

@xRallinkx Hm, I wouldn't be able to help with that from over here. You can alternatively try searching with PokeRNG (pretty much nonexistant UI, but it searches very quickly) or RNGreporter's time finder (very slow, but if you've got nothing else...)

[ToastPlusTwo]

@bearsfan092drums Wichu actually updated with a GUI a few months back. It works faster and has a nice interface.

[bearsfan092drums]

@ToastPlusTwo Annotated. Will update the descriptions as well.

[sedivonx]

I am sorry to ask u this question.. how do I open JavaRNG? which file do I open?

[bearsfan092drums]

@sedivonx Should be a .jar file named JavaRNG. Might be some numbers after that but that's the general idea.

[dragoon00001]

Wondering if someone could help me, I can't seem to hit my seed at all. Every time I search elm there are "no matches found". I'm pretty sure my calibrated sec (13) and delay (492) are correct. When I enter "Seed To Times" I input a seed I found in JavaRng and get a delay of 638. So am I doing something wrong, or does my use/ timing with Pikatimer just suck? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

[bearsfan092drums]

@dragoon00001 Pikatimer might not be working for you. Use EonTimer.

[dragoon00001]

@bearsfan092drums Thanks for the tip, once I started using EonTimer I was able to hit my seed and catch my Pokemon. Really appreciate all the help and awesome video.

[TaterBot1000]

My L button doesn't work. :(

And the time thing is still a little confusing. How do you get the calibrated second and calibrated delay?

[razmazter]

Way too fucking confusing. Especially for those who have never done this before.

[Syntachu]

Is it impossible to do this without pokerus?

[bearsfan092drums]

@Syntachu No. Apparently Youngster Joey or something can be used in place of Elm, but I never tried it.

[TBJack3000]

Do you need to have JavaRNG or can you use the Capture tab on time finder on the RNG reporter? I'm using RNG reporter version 8.31 just now. I'm gonnaa try RNG the Zapdos by the powerplant. Thanks.

[bearsfan092drums]

@TBJack3000 You can use the Capture tab, but JavaRNG has more speed.

[NOOBxGENOCIDE]

Is there any way to RNG abuse the Lake of Rage Gyarados for nature/IVs? I found some decent seeds, but I'm not sure about hitting the target frame without access to all of Elm's responses. I'm trying seed 9b1609a3 because I could either hit frame 42 or 44. I can check my seed with entei and raikou, but without Elm the only thing I can do is count 40 calls (-2 for roamers) and hope that NPCs didn't advance the frames. Is there different way to check frames other than Elm responses? Thanks!

[bearsfan092drums]

@NOOBxGENOCIDE The Lake of Rage Gyarados works on the Pokeradar algorithm from DPPt. I wouldn't waste my time with it, but it's not the same method as regular wild pokemon.

[athiaries]

So isn't this cheating? You can't use these for competitive battles right?

[bearsfan092drums]

@athiaries I think asking a question once is sufficient, don't you?

[athiaries]

@bearsfan092drums I just wanted some clarity, I'm not trying to offend anyone. Guess I won't get my answer here. Thanks for the video though.

[xRallinkx]

@athiaries You can. They're completely legit. It's just an easier way to obtaining them without trying thousands of times.

[NOOBxGENOCIDE]

Yay! It turns out I did just need a 3rd gen game in the other slot. I'm not sure why, but using the same time you did, I kept coming up with odd delays. After putting sapphire into the extra slot I easily hit 1208 delay and caught the perfect Suicune. Thanks you, you'r videos and comments really helped!

Subed :)

[bearsfan092drums]

@NOOBxGENOCIDE Hm, coulda sworn I mentioned that (might have been in DPPt), but yeah, the delay does that in 4th gen games.

[NOOBxGENOCIDE]

Ok, thanks, I understand the calibration now. However, I noticed that whenever I try to hit a target delay that is even, I get odd, and whenever I try to hit an odd, I get even. Does this mean that I have to have a 3rd gen game in the second slot? (because my second slot was empty) Other than that, my delays are very close every time with the EonTimer v1.2. Thanks for the response.

[NOOBxGENOCIDE]

What are calibrated delay and second used for? My understanding was that the first timer was used to hit 00:53:50 - 1208 delay. And that the second timer was used to hit the 1208 delay. It doesn't make sense as to why the calibrated delay and second change the timers as they could be different for each person. Wouldn't this create different seeds? I'm trying to copy your example on Suicune, but every time I check Elm responses (with a delay range of +-500) I never come up with a match...

[bearsfan092drums]

@NOOBxGENOCIDE First of all, Pikatimer is outdated. Use EonTimer/ZomgTimer. Finally, the calibrated stuff came from the same process of my calibration video, just in HGSS (same process, no need to make a new video). I won't bother explaining the importance of those calibrated values if you can't figure it out, but take me on my word, they are/were important.

[whitericeepic]

link doesnt work?

[bearsfan092drums]

@whitericeepic Probably true. Go on Smogon to get a new link.

[BrendaAvery]

Um, which version of RNG Reporter are you using in this video? I have a newer version of RNG Reporter and it doesn't have the Seed to Time function.

[bearsfan092drums]

@BrendaAvery Seed to Time was moved up to the menus on the top. Might be renamed, but I know it's there.

[Trriiggaa]

Im RNGing for exactly what you are HP Electric Suicune 31/31/31/30/31/31.. the delay is 1207, i have done exactly what your doing in the video but just cant seem to hit the delay.. i always hit a delay hundreds before or after 1207 even after entering the hit delay into Pikatimer. The only difference I can see is that im using a DSi and your yours is a DS original.. what am I doing wrong?

[bearsfan092drums]

@Trriiggaa Use EonTimer or ZomgTimer. Pikatimer's accuracy is wack on some computers.

[Trriiggaa]

@bearsfan092drums I used EonTimer and after a long while of trial and error i hit the delay and frame indicated on the rng reporter and the IV's werent the ones indicated on the Reporter for frame 22.. what am i doing wrong?

[Trriiggaa]

@Trriiggaa Nevermind I wasnt supposed to make the 22nd call.. tried again and got it! Thanks man your videos are awesome tutorials

[Raine4thawin]

Ok my second timer is way to low for me to start my game at. (5.74) Is there a way to fix this??

[aSneakyTeapot]

Buy an action replay for christ sake. This is no less cheating that that.

[susasoldier]

Is there rng for black and white?

[sonic94rider]

Nice guide. helped me out ^^ my question is, what method is the snorlax, and how many wandering NPC's are their?

[RiotRanger]

THANKS FOR THE VID!!! I always thought RNG'ing was too hard but I finally got my perfect suicune after about an hour and a half..... woulda been sooner but when I finally hit the right seed and made the first 9 calls, I found out that my perfect suicune was actually number 4.. so I had to redo it :P

[pedrok39]

Hi, about ability. I want a timid natural cure flawless starmie.

seed:D2140289

but i don't know if it's iluminate or natural cure, how proceed?

[danmb11]

@Chomegiddo: not all of them need to be lv. 50 if they have high EVs!! ^^ I caught goldbats around lv. 48 and they worked!! xD

[PokemonMasterJT]

great video man thanks for the help

[Chomegiddo]

HGSS is harder to calibrate cause the only wild pokemon you can use if you don't have a AR is ursaring in Mtsilvercave

[Jjavanoid]

Thank you. I'd taken a break from Pokemon so I needed a little reminder and your video is informative and easy to follow.

[PoketMonsterLOL]

Can u rng roamers like raikou?

[EmpressRyuura]

OMG thank you so much for making this! I was having trouble understanding some of this stuff (I learn better by watching and doing) and your video cleared everything right up. To the people who say it doesn't work, I just caught my first perfectly IV/Natured legendary today with this method, so... I'd have to disagree.

Heh. For all the hax in Pokemon, the RNG is actually very predictable.

[onenaruto1]

Awsome

[BennyFourStrings]

whats RNG?

[MrPetemike]

Awesome video!  You should make a video for abusing the roamers

[colint92]

noob question. How do i open javarng?

[D4ntesword]

Dude, speak slower for fuck's sake...

[MrPetemike]

If you have to get to kanto, does that mean you cannot rng for Ho-oh in Heartgold?

[CountBleck222]

@MrPetemike You can. But you have to defeat it and make it respawn by beating the Elite Four.

[MedievalWerewolf]

Lttp, but I would assume that the frame starts at 0 when you start up the game?

[religiousjedi]

The mic was a bit off, but....THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This was very helpful in helping me catch a flawless IV Timid Mewtwo in my HG!

[twigadee18]

do u need all 3 rng reporters listed above?

[Mangakid37201]

I want to do this before E4, does just surfing to Kanto work?

[CountBleck222]

@Mangakid37201 No. You need full access to it and not just surf to Kanto.

[Mangakid37201]

@CountBleck222 thank you.

[redterror117]

So here's my question: If you have to kill the all the roamers before RNGing, how do you RNG the roamers? Though I suppose you could reset them with an AR, but then what's the point of going through the work for a shiny?

[xAfterDawnx]

...or just not waste time and hack a legit one in 2 minutes.

[Lionandpsalter]

For some reason my 2010 Exel won't open the files... I downloaded the newest excel viewer to see if that would work, but alas, it didn't.

I tried renaming the file as SpreadsK.xls to no avail

any suggestion?

[Lamitie11]

@pokemonil umadbro?

[ChineseAmbassador]

@pokemonil

Thats just rude. He did all this visual stuff to help you out and you are over here Calling him bitch and saying his mic sucks. I dont see you doing a tutorial like this with a better mic. He says watch the videos so he doesnt have to explain every friggin video. so..........

THE ONLY PERSON THAT SUCKS HERE IS YOU, THUMBS DOWN, BITCH

[ChineseAmbassador]

Ok, i get everything else but the pika timer stuff. I know what to put in wanted delay, but how do you know what to put in the calibrated delay< calibrated second, and wanted second?

[bearsfan092drums]

@pokemonil Cock. Lots of it.

[TaterBot1000]

@pokemonil At least he's helping. It's better than not having any idea what you're supposed to do so stop complaining. Besides, he already put up a video with the calibration phase.

[ShogunMugen]

i uh beat ash, can i still do this?

[Caterfree10]

@ShogunMugen 1, his name is Red. 2, yes.

[Pamizard]

Question What do youi mean by Kill Roamers? For the RNG to work?

[MasterofMindSlaves]

@Pamizard He means kill all the Legendary Pokemon that roam like Latios or Latias(Depending on the version you have), Raikou, & Entei.

[AznChinoFTW2]

what is ur fc in soulsilver?

[LocamotionTCG]

Is it possible to RNG the Eevee that Bill gives you?

[bearsfan092drums]

@LocamotionTCG Yep, method 1.

[Ar7ific1al]

I'm glad to have found a video about RNG on HG/SS, but man, you should slow down =/ you're talking WAAAY too fast for me to understand half of what you're saying. And the other guy being rude about the mic, I agree, it's hard to understand some things you say because of it. lol

[GooseDood]

Fix your fucking mic it's annoying as shit when you pronounce p's.

[bearsfan092drums]

@GooseDood Duly fucking noted

[MonochromeF3ar]

@bearsfan092drums Wow cant even take constructive criticism...Nice one Idiot. 

[KyronRN]

@GooseDood

yea dude fuck your mic

[TenshiNoTakai]

I want to get a shiny suicune in SS but this all seems so complicated, I was lost by the time you messed up with the ruby carttridge O___O

I have patience because I must have done over 2000 SRs trying to get a shiny suicune, but to no avail. is there anything else I should know to make this easier for a first timer? I meet all the prerequisites and all, so just wondering, it's all very intimidating lol.

[bearsfan092drums]

@TenshiNoTakai The thing is, these videos were actually meant to be visual aids to the written guide. Try reading that first on Smogon.

[TheCelebi29]

hey help me do this im trying i cant get me the steps on how to get shiny chansey plz i wanted one a long time ago

[tuber324]

Can anyone find out my SID for me? I currently can't, it would be a great help :)

[kyshiro200]

@tuber324 just train ur very own shiny Pokemon to lvl100 and find outs its ivs. use the ivs to pid on the rng reporter. make sure the shiny pokemon is not caught from chainning.

[zyx689]

When you want us to kill roamers, are Latios and Latias included, or just Entei and Raikou?

Also, I tried to use RNG Reporter to find frames from the hex seeds I got from JavaRNG. It gave out a bunch of dates, but they all start with August 11 and August 12 and skip to September.

[soulfireol07]

I have a windows vista and after it finishes finding the results I try to open it it with notepad but the page is blank, why?

[MaknaeToast]

Do you really have to kill Roamers? Could I catch them?

[BlackFireSI]

@MaknaeToast the roamers respawn after beating the elite 4 again

[MaknaeToast]

@BlackFireSI I really should know more about Pokemon 4th gen D: Hmm. So even if I caught them, they would respawn?

[bearsfan092drums]

@MaknaeToast That is not true.

[beundead]

@MaknaeToast

Catching them is fine, the reason to kill them off is so that they don't trigger an RNG change by changing location.

[2hard4u2no]

Im really bad at SRing on the timer and pressing continue, my seed is always a second out and wrong delay.. fml

[eyelewz]

for some reason after java rng has found a spread for me. i can never see it because it says it says spreadjunk.csv is locked for editing. so it wont work. any idea why its doing that?

[eyelewz]

i must be doing something wrong. my delay range was -40 +40 and i still didnt even match any of the elm responses. any ideas or suggestions?

[beundead]

@eyelewz

Have you unlocked the Pokerus message. You need to have a pokemon with active pokerus and to take it to a pokecenter so they tell you about it.

[eyelewz]

how would you use seed finder to find out what you did hit? And if there are no matches for my elm responses should i widen my range? any suggestions?

[luisyahh]

Im tryin to Rng abuse a shiny latias (Enigma event) but i can never hit my target seed. i also cant find the adajcent result i landed on, is it bc of the NPCs?

[bearsfan092drums]

@luisyahh NPC's don't affect your seed. Widen your adjacents or use seed finder to find what you did hit.

[ParaAyane]

Hey bear, I finally got my perfect IV latias, thanks for the guide it helped. The pikatimer part though I had to make some slight adjustments so that I land on my seed.

[spectre218]

I hit around my seed once and can't get it again....Does the timing have to be that precise?

[bearsfan092drums]

@spectre218 Yes

[Zerofocus123]

Just got my Suicune just like in your video even the same data haha

[Zerofocus123]

Hey first of all nice vid it really makes RNG much simpler to understand. I just hit the seed myself a few minutes ago but forgot all about the frame advancement and ended up with a quirky one : / Gotta do it all over again haha

[ParaAyane]

Ok so I am having some difficulty hitting the right second for some odd reason even though I am following the timer as close as I can... How do I compensate for this? (instead of hitting 20:06:50, I would hit 20:06:49)

[eyelewz]

i tried catching a pokemon at mt silver and it says the pokemon isnt high enough level to find a seed by stats

[bearsfan092drums]

@eyelewz Yeah, HGSS is problematic that way. You'll have to find some way to determine those IV's.

[eyelewz]

how do you find your delay in hg ss?

[ParaAyane]

@eyelewz Read up on calibration for RNG.

[PinoyJbwkzFan]

ty for helping me with my last post :D but i have another question ...if you enter your results in the search elm function and you hit your particular seed but its in another seconds range will that count?or if you enter your results and get your delay with the correct second but what if the calls arent going in the correct order?

[PinoyJbwkzFan]

i need help with finding which seed i did hit..when i enter my elm responses onto the search elm function its saying that my responses dont match any or arent correct and this has been happeneing many times...anyone know whats going on?

[bearsfan092drums]

@PinoyJbwkzFan Widen your adjacents. If that fails, find what seed you did hit with seed finder

[TheMeem0]

I'm trying to catch a Shiny, Adamant Rayquaza in the Embedded Tower. However, I'm having trouble hitting my Seed. My Wanted Delay is 1733, but I was getting in the 1691-1697 range, so I put 1695 in Other Delay (this is PikaTimer). The problem is, whenever I put that in Other Delay, RNG Reporter keeps saying that the seed I'm getting is 1 second more than what I want! When I set PikaTimer back to the default settings, I just get a delay of ~1695 again? Does anyone have any advice?

[ParaAyane]

Man I was hitting around my seed for a bit but now I am hitting nothing in my spread and I got delay 50+- already -_-

[bearsfan092drums]

@ParaAyane You're obviously doing something different now.  Can't help you without information.