i just say the government or someone should make a law for forbids all religion because so far all ive seen from religion freaks is disturbing acts of abuse, they commit murder and crime, they blame others for their wrong doing, they blindly obey an imaginary foolishness, they listen to dictators like preachers or priests, they kill people who dont have same beliefs, pedophile priests rapes children, they force/brainwash/threaten people to believe their religion. FORBID ALL RELIGION
I'm a christian I do not blindly follow the preachers words, nor the words of the nutcase like pat robertson or james dobson it is a duty for every christian to question and or debate anyone using GODS name or preaching gods name
I think this guy's value as a public speaker was more on par with the square root of intelligence than intelligence squared. This fuddy duddy spent most of the speech talking about various sexual topics in order to get some laughs from an otherwise young audience. He could have at least done a better job of stringing all those cliches together. They didn't really pay this guy to speak, did they?
I'm a christian i do bash others in the southern baptist faith that blindly follow the right wing agenda that it will come a tme that they will even turn against christians who blindly follow them
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Yet another one sided, biased view of religion. Forget all the good things it does, like looking after the poor,the homeless,drug addicts. I mean after all we should really get rid of that evil Salvation Army. This is why I have a hard time with scientists, most I have seen or spoke to are very arrogant and speak to you as if your not worthy to be in their presence. But, never mind, maybe I'll meet a scientist one day who is humble enough to answer my questions.
...."forget all the good things it does, like looking after the poor,the homeless,drug addicts. I mean after all we should really get rid of that evil Salvation Army".
You are an ignorant and immoral fool if you believe that people only carry out acts of charity, kindness and good will to others because they will be rewarded by their god. I sincerely hope that you are good because its simply how you would wish to be treated. "Do as you would be done by".
The only problroblem with religion is that it needs an air of certinty around it for the true believers. There is nothing wrong with believing in some religion but the problem is if you are a true believer and beleiving everything in religion it calls for a certain subjigation of other people who do not believe in your beliefs see GAY MARRIGE the most recent of examples it is which is nothing more then a TYRANNY BY THE MOJORITY something that our Bill of Right were supposed to protect against.
All this spoken under the banner of "Intelligence" is as ridiculous as Bush's speech with the "Mission Accomplished" banner in the background.
How shameful the minds of the "intelligentsia" have become, where the laws of logic no longer apply, having been usurped by emotional rants and uninformed, baseless accusations.
To think speeches like this are cogent or thoughtful is a death knell for civilization as we know it.
the church celebrated Hitlers birthday every year till the end. the catholic church helped nazi leaders escape to south American catholic
counties. the church backed the nazi part as they did the fascists in Italy for which they have applogised for since but nearly enough. however church did kick out Goering....because he married a Protestant. so killing millions of Jews is fine but marry a protestant and your out, at least they have standards.
he makes a comment about Jehovah's wihttnesses and people laughed, its not funny though because if they're right you don't have to worry no matter what you are, they believe everyone will be resurrected in paradise as perfect humans. they simply believe and follow their godly law because it makes them happy to serve a higher being..
Percy Bysshe Shelley, Einstein, Frederick the Great, Voltaire, Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Kurt Vonnegut, Mark Twain, Richard Dawkins, Stephen Hawking, Bill Gates...
To be fair, a good number of them are Deists, but then again, you'd know nothing of that, seeing as you put Hitler in your list of "atheists." For the record: Pol Pot was a Buddhist and Hitler was, by his own ABSOLUTE and concrete admission, a practicing Christian.
"The work is a(n) [...] attempt to portray man's fear-induced animistic and mythic ideas with all their far-flung transformations and interrelations. It relates the impact of these phantasmagorias on human destiny and the causal relationships by which they have become crystallized into organized religion.
[...] has not, however, hindered him from emphasizing the boundless suffering which, in its end results, this mythic thought has brought upon man."
It's not that religious people are painted solely by the actions of the crazies. It's that it's the craziest that manage to get and convince others to vote for religious based national agendas, which do not coincide with the separation of church and state. Nor, are they generally backed by hard evidence.
And until the average reasonable religious person says that it's not acceptable for the fundamentalists to hack their religion for votes will things get better, image wise.
No, you are dead wrong on that one my friend, covering up their actions or helping them get away with it in any way, shape or form is as good as straight up stamping their seal of approval on the whole damn thing.
If they had any real morals they wouldn't give a fuck about saving face anywhere near as much as protecting the innocence of small children who are going to their churches and are being sexually violated by leading members of their own church.
Atheists don't "believe" anything, per se. Atheism is quite simply the disbelief of the existence of a god. (Many atheists choose to support what the observable universe tells us, but that's not "belief"--it's the scientific method.)
One who believes "something comes from nothing" is called a creationist. A creationist believes that there was nothing, a super-terrestrial entity, or entities, had a crotch twitch and everything was born.
So four people is a large enough sample to make the claim that atheists have no role models. Interesting, I'm sure I couldn't do the same with a sample of four religious people ,of course not. Not fallacious at all. Completely not fallacious, nor incorrect logic.
"Practicing atheists: Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot....the list goes on! Nice role models you have there!!!"
Actually, Hitler was a devout Roman Catholic, as he made abundantly clear in Mein Kampf. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by 'practicing' atheists, as atheists don't really have anything to practice; we have no religious ceremonies.
Finally, you left out quite a few; people like Stephen Hawking, Albert Einstein, and Abraham Lincoln.
If you consider Hitler a Roman Catholic you must have no idea of 1) what Roman Catholics believe, and 2) what Hitler did to the church after his rise to power.
But I guess if you choose to ignore these things you might have a point!
Hitler used the power and influence of the church to propagate his own perverted ideology. I'm not a Catholic, but I defend this idiotic accusation every time I hear it.
"If you consider Hitler a Roman Catholic you must have no idea of 1) what Roman Catholics believe..."
I know the Catholic church preached Deicide from the 500s to the 1960s. I know it originated the Blood Libel and accusations of Eucharist desecration. I know it was the cause of the massacres of York and London, the Crusades, and a host of other violent anti-semitic pogroms. I know Hitler himself said he learned Antisemitism in Sunday school.
Did you not listen to me when I said that Hitler "used the power and influence of the church to propagate his ideology"? I never denied that he forced anyone to embrace Roman Catholicism (RC); your illustration actually proves my point.
What you are failing to do is identify what Hitler claimed RC taught (Jesus was Aryan, killed by Jews) and what RC actually taught (Jesus was a Jew who came expressly to die for Jews and gentiles alike; earliest Christians were Jews).
"his teaching that Jesus was half-Aryan isn't even close to a relevant point."
That is the crux of Hitler's use of Catholicism. "Wonderful Aryan teacher Jesus was killed by those nasty Jews; they're always spoiling everything and must be destroyed" was Hitler's position in a nutshell. This is not at all close to any Christian position.
"That is the crux of Hitler's use of Catholicism. "Wonderful Aryan teacher Jesus was killed by those nasty Jews; they're always spoiling everything and must be destroyed" was Hitler's position in a nutshell. This is not at all close to any Christian position."
Apparently you need another history lesson... Have you ever heard of Jewish Deicide? Catholic preachers were teaching it from the 500s to 1963. Have you read Luther's 'The Jews and their Lies'?
Congratulations Igy, you've managed to dance around the relevant points; you've ignored the fact that Hitler's ideology was almost identical to the Roman Catholic view, that his antisemitism WAS identical to the Roman Catholic view, that the Roman Catholic Church supported him and he it, and even the fact that he blatantly calls himself a Roman Catholic.
What evidence will it take to convince you that he actually WAS Roman Catholic? Is there any at all?
Read 'Hitler's Table Talk' for first hand accounts of what he really felt about God and religion.
Also get something like and IDIOT'S Guide to World Religions to see that what Hitler stood for has nothing to do with Roman Catholicism, even if the RC church in Germany cow towed to Hitler's perspective. That is not representative of Christianity.
Ever hear of Dietrich Bonhoeffer? Probably not. And the fact that he was a Christian who Hitler had killed for opposing him on Biblical grounds.
Yes, read the source, edited by an anti-Catholic secretary, that contradicts every other private and public source in regards to Hitler's opinion on Catholicism; since it is what you want to believe, it's more trustworthy than any other source.
"....Dietrich Bonhoeffer...a Christian who Hitler had killed for opposing him on Biblical grounds."
No, it was the assassination attempt he helped plan against Hitler that got him killed.
"...what Hitler stood for has nothing to do with Roman Catholicism, even if the RC church in Germany cow towed to Hitler's perspective."
That's right; ignore the fact that Hitler called himself a Roman Catholic, ignore the fact that the Church agreed and supported him, ignore every other clear sign of agreement. There is some major theological difference between what mainstream Christianity was teaching and what Hitler was teaching--even though you can't quite name it.
You make all these claims based on the abuses of others, but what does the Bible say? It was written by Jews, Jesus was a Jew, etc. This is evident. Luther is not perfect, but that does not mean that other things that he wrote on are invalid.
Likewise, I don't give any credence to the Catholic church of Germany at the time of Hitler. Even if the pope himself supported Hitler, you're still ignoring primary sources, which is just bad scholarship. Hitler abused a Christian culture for his gain.
"Even if the pope himself supported Hitler, you're still ignoring primary sources..."
Hah! You ignore everything Hitler ever said or wrote, all of his support of the Catholic church, all of their support of him, and then you have the gall of accusing me of ignoring primary sources, because I don't accept the account of a known Catholic hater?
You're ignoring the primary sources from about 1900 years prior to where you are stuck. Both the Catholics you speak of and Hitler do not in any manner fit with Christianity and are not and can in no way be considered Christians or followers of Jesus Christ, the LORD.
"If you consider Hitler a Roman Catholic you must have no idea..."
Igy today:
"Both the Catholics you speak of and Hitler do not in any manner fit with Christianity..."
Lol face it Igy, you got creamed in this debate. You were wrong about damn near everything, from the Church's antisemitic position to Hitlers way of treating them.
You can try to separate the truth all you want, but we all know why Hitler hated the Jews, and there was nothing secular about it.
You don't seem to be able to see past your nose. Maybe I'm being too generous to Catholics, and perhaps some popes advocated deicide as you describe it, but the Catholic Church has never codified this a dogma, or doctrinal, as it is nowhere found in the scriptures. This is my point.
You leave out a lot of information and demonize many Catholics as being on par with Hitler, which is wrong. It is further patently wrong when you claim that Hitler was a Biblical Christian. This is totally foolish.
"You...demonize many Catholics as being on par with Hitler, which is wrong."
So you don't believe, for example, that the Catholics during the Crusades who rounded up Jews and massacred them wholesale were as bad as Hitler? What about the massacre at York, where they rounded the Jews up in a castle and then set it on fire? What about Pope Innocent III, who first conceived of the idea that all Jews should wear a special badge denoting who they are?
I would turn you again, to my earlier comment. Atheism is not a belief. One cannot "practice" atheism.
Secondly, I will add that, because atheism is not a belief system, atheists don't typically have "role models." There is no papacy in atheism, no "hero" of godlessness
Lastly, I would say that Hitler was not an atheist. In fact, religion played a very integral role in selling his genocidal agenda to an otherwise rational people.
The only belief that an atheist can really have is that there is no logical evidence for believing whether "God" actually exists. This does not say anything about how the world came into existence. The first event that we know of is the big bang. Do we know where the big bang began. No we do not, but we also do not assume that we know what caused the big bang. How do you know God did it? If so, what created God, and how does a metaphysical God contact the physical world (big bang)?
why? isnt it good to be exposed to information that examines our preconceived notions and perceptions?
you dont have to be a communist to read the communist manifesto or a christian to read the bible or listen to a church service, but its only by being exposed to the views of others that we can intellectually grow. otherwise we'll just remain stuck in our own narrow minded world.
by you saying that youre unsubbing tells me that your faith is so badly challenged by this man its not worth having
the ONLY resolve for the impending human extiction problem is for everyone that is alive be let to live out the rest of their lives.BUT from now on we nueter at birth,children are not a joy but an annoyace and a chore.Lets stop accepting the lie,let the selfish priveleged have the planet.
i can't 'believe' in God because that is a faith-based explanation of the universe and science has taught me to be satisfied with beliefs held without evidence.
wow, no kidding moron. anyone with common sense would understand that's not what my comment was suggesting..
there is more than one way to interpret what i said, you obviously took the nonsensical approach ("omg he thinks science is a conscious entity!"). lol, idiot.
Someone who says "Science has taught me to be satisfied with beliefs held without evidence" is telling ME that I'M taking a nonsensical approach? Wow, projection much.
most everyone knows when you use the word "science" you are not referring to a single concrete thing but a process of objective measurement and experimentation to arrive at a better understanding of the world. so yes, you are pretty foolish if you need this spelled out for you.
and before you continue with your silly semantics game, note that I made a typo in my original statement, that should have read: "has taught me not to be satisfied with beliefs held without evidence."
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gibsonfan871 2 months ago
Wow so my name sake is an Auzzie atheist public speaker, fantastic!...it's amazing what you find when you search for yourself on the net!
RichardAckland42 11 months ago
Science serves it's purpose.
However science can not explain the supernatural
johnlyris 1 year ago
@johnlyris
Neither can religion.
BBBoggs 10 months ago
@johnlyris What supernatural? There isn't any to explain.
vivalaleta 3 weeks ago
Some of the same arguments that Hitchens makes. But still good.
Ramshobraja 2 years ago
Religion "Bad"!!!
TheGodWhisperer 2 years ago
i just say the government or someone should make a law for forbids all religion because so far all ive seen from religion freaks is disturbing acts of abuse, they commit murder and crime, they blame others for their wrong doing, they blindly obey an imaginary foolishness, they listen to dictators like preachers or priests, they kill people who dont have same beliefs, pedophile priests rapes children, they force/brainwash/threaten people to believe their religion. FORBID ALL RELIGION
NOVAGIRL666 2 years ago
Amen sister!!!! I wholeheartedly agree!! 100 thumbs up!!
prostock69 2 years ago
NOVAGIRL666:
Right, because a religion prohibition wouldn't spark fanaticism.
thethreeheadedmonkey 2 years ago
@NOVAGIRL666 If I didn't know any better, I'd say you where a huge McFarlane fan.
StudioEyeball 10 months ago
fked up at 3:20 but still good points
AKKAfer 2 years ago
I'm a christian I do not blindly follow the preachers words, nor the words of the nutcase like pat robertson or james dobson it is a duty for every christian to question and or debate anyone using GODS name or preaching gods name
stonecoldjason 2 years ago
faith is how murderers become murderers... it is a disconnection with our self that is accessible and communicable to others....
codehendrix 3 years ago 5
I think this guy's value as a public speaker was more on par with the square root of intelligence than intelligence squared. This fuddy duddy spent most of the speech talking about various sexual topics in order to get some laughs from an otherwise young audience. He could have at least done a better job of stringing all those cliches together. They didn't really pay this guy to speak, did they?
Bibowen 3 years ago
I hear so much bashing of Catholics. We already get that they're assholes. I want to hear more Protestant bashing.
highwind8124 3 years ago 2
I'm a christian i do bash others in the southern baptist faith that blindly follow the right wing agenda that it will come a tme that they will even turn against christians who blindly follow them
stonecoldjason 2 years ago
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Yet another one sided, biased view of religion. Forget all the good things it does, like looking after the poor,the homeless,drug addicts. I mean after all we should really get rid of that evil Salvation Army. This is why I have a hard time with scientists, most I have seen or spoke to are very arrogant and speak to you as if your not worthy to be in their presence. But, never mind, maybe I'll meet a scientist one day who is humble enough to answer my questions.
Project25o1 3 years ago
You've obviously not listened
swinkyuk 3 years ago 7
"Forget all the good things it does, like looking after the poor,the homeless,drug addicts."
Yeah, except secular organizations do the exact same thing; you don't need to believe in a cosmic Jewish zombie to care for your fellow man.
Hooya2 3 years ago 9
...."forget all the good things it does, like looking after the poor,the homeless,drug addicts. I mean after all we should really get rid of that evil Salvation Army".
You are an ignorant and immoral fool if you believe that people only carry out acts of charity, kindness and good will to others because they will be rewarded by their god. I sincerely hope that you are good because its simply how you would wish to be treated. "Do as you would be done by".
nickthelight 3 years ago 3
one can hope and look for good in everyone but also must be aware that they is a possiblirt of being done wrong by them as well
stonecoldjason 2 years ago
No childs behind left!
CognosSquare 3 years ago
The only problroblem with religion is that it needs an air of certinty around it for the true believers. There is nothing wrong with believing in some religion but the problem is if you are a true believer and beleiving everything in religion it calls for a certain subjigation of other people who do not believe in your beliefs see GAY MARRIGE the most recent of examples it is which is nothing more then a TYRANNY BY THE MOJORITY something that our Bill of Right were supposed to protect against.
idicula1979 3 years ago 2
religion is the biggest scam in the history of the world.
franzese14 3 years ago 5
If the activity has no chance of causing fertilization, then it is not sex.
Homosexual? That makes no sense.
Some people's concept of "sex" is skewed.
jesuschrustpizza 3 years ago
All this spoken under the banner of "Intelligence" is as ridiculous as Bush's speech with the "Mission Accomplished" banner in the background.
How shameful the minds of the "intelligentsia" have become, where the laws of logic no longer apply, having been usurped by emotional rants and uninformed, baseless accusations.
To think speeches like this are cogent or thoughtful is a death knell for civilization as we know it.
igystrvigy 3 years ago
in response to hooya2
the church celebrated Hitlers birthday every year till the end. the catholic church helped nazi leaders escape to south American catholic
counties. the church backed the nazi part as they did the fascists in Italy for which they have applogised for since but nearly enough. however church did kick out Goering....because he married a Protestant. so killing millions of Jews is fine but marry a protestant and your out, at least they have standards.
RAMSEY1987 3 years ago
Concise, humorous, and cogent. Excellent video.
hiwatt65 3 years ago
this guy is ON POINT !!!!!!
REGWHY 3 years ago
+++++ very good.
innefitterosa 3 years ago
***** very well put....
ubuibiok 3 years ago
So true...more people need to stand up against foolish ancient religious dogmas.
HimmuraTube 3 years ago 2
he makes a comment about Jehovah's wihttnesses and people laughed, its not funny though because if they're right you don't have to worry no matter what you are, they believe everyone will be resurrected in paradise as perfect humans. they simply believe and follow their godly law because it makes them happy to serve a higher being..
czorbin 3 years ago
didn't really understand the joke about how the name "rock" suggests he is catholic, unless he's referring to "rock of ages"?
lianghaochen 3 years ago
Nontheists:
Percy Bysshe Shelley, Einstein, Frederick the Great, Voltaire, Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Kurt Vonnegut, Mark Twain, Richard Dawkins, Stephen Hawking, Bill Gates...
To be fair, a good number of them are Deists, but then again, you'd know nothing of that, seeing as you put Hitler in your list of "atheists." For the record: Pol Pot was a Buddhist and Hitler was, by his own ABSOLUTE and concrete admission, a practicing Christian.
GOTT MIT UNS! HEIL!
Redfingers 3 years ago
"The work is a(n) [...] attempt to portray man's fear-induced animistic and mythic ideas with all their far-flung transformations and interrelations. It relates the impact of these phantasmagorias on human destiny and the causal relationships by which they have become crystallized into organized religion.
[...] has not, however, hindered him from emphasizing the boundless suffering which, in its end results, this mythic thought has brought upon man."
-Einstein in preface to Man and His Gods
Redfingers 3 years ago
to be fair, the acts of covering up pedophilic priests occurs to save face & prevent scandal, not because they condone the behaviour.
also, just because some crazies wish homosexuals to die, does not mean all religious people should be painted with the same brush
StephenKuma 3 years ago
It's not that religious people are painted solely by the actions of the crazies. It's that it's the craziest that manage to get and convince others to vote for religious based national agendas, which do not coincide with the separation of church and state. Nor, are they generally backed by hard evidence.
And until the average reasonable religious person says that it's not acceptable for the fundamentalists to hack their religion for votes will things get better, image wise.
jordanswiener 3 years ago
No, you are dead wrong on that one my friend, covering up their actions or helping them get away with it in any way, shape or form is as good as straight up stamping their seal of approval on the whole damn thing.
If they had any real morals they wouldn't give a fuck about saving face anywhere near as much as protecting the innocence of small children who are going to their churches and are being sexually violated by leading members of their own church.
Fuck defending pedophiles.
ogjimkenobi 3 years ago 2
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atheists believe something comes from nothing!! LOL
pillarofskulls 3 years ago
Atheists don't "believe" anything, per se. Atheism is quite simply the disbelief of the existence of a god. (Many atheists choose to support what the observable universe tells us, but that's not "belief"--it's the scientific method.)
One who believes "something comes from nothing" is called a creationist. A creationist believes that there was nothing, a super-terrestrial entity, or entities, had a crotch twitch and everything was born.
j0shyd 3 years ago 4
Practicing atheists: Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot....the list goes on! Nice role models you have there!!!
pillarofskulls 3 years ago
So four people is a large enough sample to make the claim that atheists have no role models. Interesting, I'm sure I couldn't do the same with a sample of four religious people ,of course not. Not fallacious at all. Completely not fallacious, nor incorrect logic.
jordanswiener 3 years ago
you, sir, are an idiot.
webhed003 3 years ago
"Practicing atheists: Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot....the list goes on! Nice role models you have there!!!"
Actually, Hitler was a devout Roman Catholic, as he made abundantly clear in Mein Kampf. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by 'practicing' atheists, as atheists don't really have anything to practice; we have no religious ceremonies.
Finally, you left out quite a few; people like Stephen Hawking, Albert Einstein, and Abraham Lincoln.
Hooya2 3 years ago 2
If you consider Hitler a Roman Catholic you must have no idea of 1) what Roman Catholics believe, and 2) what Hitler did to the church after his rise to power.
But I guess if you choose to ignore these things you might have a point!
Hitler used the power and influence of the church to propagate his own perverted ideology. I'm not a Catholic, but I defend this idiotic accusation every time I hear it.
igystrvigy 3 years ago
"If you consider Hitler a Roman Catholic you must have no idea of 1) what Roman Catholics believe..."
I know the Catholic church preached Deicide from the 500s to the 1960s. I know it originated the Blood Libel and accusations of Eucharist desecration. I know it was the cause of the massacres of York and London, the Crusades, and a host of other violent anti-semitic pogroms. I know Hitler himself said he learned Antisemitism in Sunday school.
I know enough.
Hooya2 3 years ago
"If you consider Hitler a Roman Catholic you must have no idea of...2) what Hitler did to the church after his rise to power."
You mean forcing Hindenburg to sign the Reichskonkordat, allowing Catholicism to be taught in public schools?
Honestly igy, do you know any history at all?
Hooya2 3 years ago
Did you not listen to me when I said that Hitler "used the power and influence of the church to propagate his ideology"? I never denied that he forced anyone to embrace Roman Catholicism (RC); your illustration actually proves my point.
What you are failing to do is identify what Hitler claimed RC taught (Jesus was Aryan, killed by Jews) and what RC actually taught (Jesus was a Jew who came expressly to die for Jews and gentiles alike; earliest Christians were Jews).
igystrvigy 3 years ago
"What you are failing to do is identify what Hitler claimed RC taught (Jesus was Aryan, killed by Jews)..."
Of course, the RC acknowledges that Jews demanded Jesus' death, and his teaching that Jesus was half-Aryan isn't even close to a relevant point.
"...Jesus was a Jew who came expressly to die for Jews and gentiles alike..."
He taught that--although he called Jesus a mischling.
"...earliest Christians were Jews..."
Even in the Bible, Christianity spread far more among gentiles than Jews.
Hooya2 3 years ago
"his teaching that Jesus was half-Aryan isn't even close to a relevant point."
That is the crux of Hitler's use of Catholicism. "Wonderful Aryan teacher Jesus was killed by those nasty Jews; they're always spoiling everything and must be destroyed" was Hitler's position in a nutshell. This is not at all close to any Christian position.
igystrvigy 3 years ago
"That is the crux of Hitler's use of Catholicism. "Wonderful Aryan teacher Jesus was killed by those nasty Jews; they're always spoiling everything and must be destroyed" was Hitler's position in a nutshell. This is not at all close to any Christian position."
Apparently you need another history lesson... Have you ever heard of Jewish Deicide? Catholic preachers were teaching it from the 500s to 1963. Have you read Luther's 'The Jews and their Lies'?
Hooya2 3 years ago
Congratulations Igy, you've managed to dance around the relevant points; you've ignored the fact that Hitler's ideology was almost identical to the Roman Catholic view, that his antisemitism WAS identical to the Roman Catholic view, that the Roman Catholic Church supported him and he it, and even the fact that he blatantly calls himself a Roman Catholic.
What evidence will it take to convince you that he actually WAS Roman Catholic? Is there any at all?
Hooya2 3 years ago
Read 'Hitler's Table Talk' for first hand accounts of what he really felt about God and religion.
Also get something like and IDIOT'S Guide to World Religions to see that what Hitler stood for has nothing to do with Roman Catholicism, even if the RC church in Germany cow towed to Hitler's perspective. That is not representative of Christianity.
Ever hear of Dietrich Bonhoeffer? Probably not. And the fact that he was a Christian who Hitler had killed for opposing him on Biblical grounds.
igystrvigy 3 years ago
"Read 'Hitler's Table Talk'..."
Yes, read the source, edited by an anti-Catholic secretary, that contradicts every other private and public source in regards to Hitler's opinion on Catholicism; since it is what you want to believe, it's more trustworthy than any other source.
"....Dietrich Bonhoeffer...a Christian who Hitler had killed for opposing him on Biblical grounds."
No, it was the assassination attempt he helped plan against Hitler that got him killed.
Hooya2 3 years ago
"...what Hitler stood for has nothing to do with Roman Catholicism, even if the RC church in Germany cow towed to Hitler's perspective."
That's right; ignore the fact that Hitler called himself a Roman Catholic, ignore the fact that the Church agreed and supported him, ignore every other clear sign of agreement. There is some major theological difference between what mainstream Christianity was teaching and what Hitler was teaching--even though you can't quite name it.
Hooya2 3 years ago
You make all these claims based on the abuses of others, but what does the Bible say? It was written by Jews, Jesus was a Jew, etc. This is evident. Luther is not perfect, but that does not mean that other things that he wrote on are invalid.
Likewise, I don't give any credence to the Catholic church of Germany at the time of Hitler. Even if the pope himself supported Hitler, you're still ignoring primary sources, which is just bad scholarship. Hitler abused a Christian culture for his gain.
igystrvigy 3 years ago
"...what does the Bible say?"
What the Bible says is irrelevant; what Hitler interpreted it as matters. Still, if you want to argue it:
"It was written by Jews..."
The Old Testament was, but most of the New Testament was written by Gentiles.
"...Jesus was a Jew, etc."
Jesus' father was God; I think that kind of trumps any earthly parentage.
There's no denying that the Jews were the villains of the New Testament; just at a passing glance, Matthew 23: 29-31, 35, 27:25.
Hooya2 3 years ago
"Even if the pope himself supported Hitler, you're still ignoring primary sources..."
Hah! You ignore everything Hitler ever said or wrote, all of his support of the Catholic church, all of their support of him, and then you have the gall of accusing me of ignoring primary sources, because I don't accept the account of a known Catholic hater?
You've got to be freakin kidding me.
Hooya2 3 years ago
You're ignoring the primary sources from about 1900 years prior to where you are stuck. Both the Catholics you speak of and Hitler do not in any manner fit with Christianity and are not and can in no way be considered Christians or followers of Jesus Christ, the LORD.
igystrvigy 3 years ago
Igy yesterday:
"If you consider Hitler a Roman Catholic you must have no idea..."
Igy today:
"Both the Catholics you speak of and Hitler do not in any manner fit with Christianity..."
Lol face it Igy, you got creamed in this debate. You were wrong about damn near everything, from the Church's antisemitic position to Hitlers way of treating them.
You can try to separate the truth all you want, but we all know why Hitler hated the Jews, and there was nothing secular about it.
Hooya2 3 years ago
You don't seem to be able to see past your nose. Maybe I'm being too generous to Catholics, and perhaps some popes advocated deicide as you describe it, but the Catholic Church has never codified this a dogma, or doctrinal, as it is nowhere found in the scriptures. This is my point.
You leave out a lot of information and demonize many Catholics as being on par with Hitler, which is wrong. It is further patently wrong when you claim that Hitler was a Biblical Christian. This is totally foolish.
igystrvigy 3 years ago
"You...demonize many Catholics as being on par with Hitler, which is wrong."
So you don't believe, for example, that the Catholics during the Crusades who rounded up Jews and massacred them wholesale were as bad as Hitler? What about the massacre at York, where they rounded the Jews up in a castle and then set it on fire? What about Pope Innocent III, who first conceived of the idea that all Jews should wear a special badge denoting who they are?
How were they better than Hitler?
Hooya2 3 years ago
do you know if the rumor's true that hitler wore that square mustache under his nose to resemble the white collar priests wear under their chin?
nocab1984 3 years ago
"do you know if the rumor's true that hitler wore that square mustache under his nose to resemble the white collar priests wear under their chin?"
Hah, I'm not sure but I don't think so; it was actually pretty popular in Germany before Hitler.
Hooya2 3 years ago
Thank you, pillarofskulls, for your reply.
I would turn you again, to my earlier comment. Atheism is not a belief. One cannot "practice" atheism.
Secondly, I will add that, because atheism is not a belief system, atheists don't typically have "role models." There is no papacy in atheism, no "hero" of godlessness
Lastly, I would say that Hitler was not an atheist. In fact, religion played a very integral role in selling his genocidal agenda to an otherwise rational people.
Cheers.
j0shyd 3 years ago
The only belief that an atheist can really have is that there is no logical evidence for believing whether "God" actually exists. This does not say anything about how the world came into existence. The first event that we know of is the big bang. Do we know where the big bang began. No we do not, but we also do not assume that we know what caused the big bang. How do you know God did it? If so, what created God, and how does a metaphysical God contact the physical world (big bang)?
jordanswiener 3 years ago
Very good stuff. ra ra!
Keylimedelight 3 years ago
5/5, favorite and featured!
pchannell 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
im unsubbing
joshrocks11 3 years ago
boo hoo
EverettsVLOG 3 years ago 4
why? isnt it good to be exposed to information that examines our preconceived notions and perceptions?
you dont have to be a communist to read the communist manifesto or a christian to read the bible or listen to a church service, but its only by being exposed to the views of others that we can intellectually grow. otherwise we'll just remain stuck in our own narrow minded world.
by you saying that youre unsubbing tells me that your faith is so badly challenged by this man its not worth having
liber8me 3 years ago 16
Cognitive dissonance is a bitch, eh?
Bu-bye now.
Michigan1985 3 years ago 11
Fuck you theist pissant.
Fuck your aspirations.
XVX for life, R.A.S.H. 'til death.
aquamammal 3 years ago
"A snake told someone to eat an apple".
Just one of many great statements from
Richard Ackland.
5/5
maurieer 3 years ago 3
the ONLY resolve for the impending human extiction problem is for everyone that is alive be let to live out the rest of their lives.BUT from now on we nueter at birth,children are not a joy but an annoyace and a chore.Lets stop accepting the lie,let the selfish priveleged have the planet.
Fora stop deleting me for crying out loud.
creten69 3 years ago
Awesome! I believe in God & I believe He provided the gift of science. We should not ignore His gift!
sleonardelli 3 years ago
i can't 'believe' in God because that is a faith-based explanation of the universe and science has taught me to be satisfied with beliefs held without evidence.
historywillabsolve 3 years ago
"science has taught me to be satisfied with beliefs held without evidence."
Science is a methodical tool to study the natural world, it's not some conscious entity that teaches you, idiot.
Rahab111222 3 years ago
wow, no kidding moron. anyone with common sense would understand that's not what my comment was suggesting..
there is more than one way to interpret what i said, you obviously took the nonsensical approach ("omg he thinks science is a conscious entity!"). lol, idiot.
historywillabsolve 3 years ago
Someone who says "Science has taught me to be satisfied with beliefs held without evidence" is telling ME that I'M taking a nonsensical approach? Wow, projection much.
Rahab111222 3 years ago
most everyone knows when you use the word "science" you are not referring to a single concrete thing but a process of objective measurement and experimentation to arrive at a better understanding of the world. so yes, you are pretty foolish if you need this spelled out for you.
historywillabsolve 3 years ago 2
and before you continue with your silly semantics game, note that I made a typo in my original statement, that should have read: "has taught me not to be satisfied with beliefs held without evidence."
historywillabsolve 3 years ago
that's ironic
lianghaochen 3 years ago