Active defence drive Testing of CO Caucasian Ovcharka

[OvcharkaKavkazskaya]

Kavkazskaya Ovcharka is the best dog ;D

[Stranglethroat]

Impressive dogs, but I would not choose one.

WAY to much work, I'll stick to rottweilers.

If I want a challenge later I'll get a tosa inu or a presa canario.

CO is too much dog for me, man.

Even if I could handle it, it would take up too much of my life.

[fenriz218]

I wish I had one of those ... I hate my mailman so much!

[leightahlor]

good work but as soon as he turned his back you should of smacked his ass.

[awais9876]

u must be brave facing a dog with that much tenacity

[aravec]

Great dog! Nice work.

[Henzzman]

I have got one,that weighs almost 100kg,because its so huge.Pretty much other dogs and people stay away from it,when i go walking with him.And these dogs really need a lot of walking and running,otherwise their legs will start to make problems.

[partrickplaysfender]

NIce CO. To 67goldtops, I would need to disagree with you on the sleeping giant scenario. What you describe is english mastiff or st. bernard demeanor, not CO. CO does have drive, unlike most flock guardians, this strong defencive drive can be channeled into other areas. This breed will tend to its own excersize needs in working situations, so i dont know why you say the are lethargic, if this was the case, anyone could own a CO, but anyone that knows the breed knows this is not true.

[67goldtops]

@partrickplaysfender

Lethargic? I never said that. What I DID say, is that they're not a hi drive breed. They, generally, are loaded in defense. That can have several meanings. In the case of a CO, it means they have a LOW defense threshold. Meaning it doesn't take much for them to be put into a "fight or flight" position. Yet once in that diive, the RESPONSE can still vary greatly. Meaning, the dog can be quick to "feel" threatened, yet the response towards the threat be weak or strong.

[67goldtops]

@partrickplaysfender

The COs I have seen are easily prompted into an aggressive stance. Yet they are NOT dogs that will show a prolonged level of fight drive. By fight drive, I mean "competitive aggression," where a dog may not show the classic signs of defensive aggression, but it will LIKE the act of fighting & enjoy the activity. When you push, he pushes back-HARDER. The more you up the anty, the more he raises his game. Generally COs will NOT offer that durable, lasting level of fight.

[mbielek]

what a shit???

[GrigoriZhukov]

what a load of wolf schizen. THAT is not the way to train OR test a CO. I have them, they all work. ALL are deadly defensive and compleatley polite and civil in public...mine are working dogs. Those are missused poorly bred bastards in need of a REAL home and REAL owners.

[VolkodavPavlova]

Caucasian Ovcharka is a wolf dog. It has been guarding sheeps from wolves for centuries. It is a dog which CAN kill a wolf. Nowadays people use them to guard their houses but naturally it isn't only a guard dog but also a killer.

[GrigoriZhukov]

You forgot to mention brown bear, wild boar, large cats, livestock thieves etc. I know of a 4 y/o male that went after a charging grizzly bear. Yuri is the most polite dog in the world even with people he doesn't know. BUT if he's protecting his territory, don't go near.

[67goldtops]

GrigoriZhukov

A couple questions...Where do you live? How do you define "went after?" Did you dog engage the "grizzly bear?" If so, where did you burry the dog??

[GrigoriZhukov]

This was in MT. If you don't know the breed you aren't capable of understaning. CO's have no fear when working. That bear was "just" a job. When the bear wouldn't get the hint, Yuri charged him head on...the bear left. Yuri is a fine uncle of my little Bubbles. She's not scared of anything.

[67goldtops]

GrigoriZhukov

Yeah, I'm familiar with the breed. I friend has one from Esquire Ovcharkas. A domestic dog running off a wild predator is really no big deal. It's the difference between an animal that is fed by man vs an animal that has an in herent fear of injury because it has to HUNT for its survival. Most predators, when faced by another animal as big as a CO, will opt out of risking injury. Now, if that bear was a female with cubs...It's lights out little CO.

[WildB0i]

Hey! So your friend has one from Esquire Caucasians huh? I'm a little familiar with them. What do you think about the Esquire dogs? Working ability? Do you have any experience with those dogs?

[67goldtops]

@WildB0i

Hey, man. I've not worked one myself. From what, I've seen they are an interesting breed. Will definitely engage if threatened. However, most accounts suggest they're not suitable for sport work. They're not a drivey breed that will work for a prolonged period. The one I know seems to bore quite quickly. And that's not a derrogatory statement. He's very confident, almost aloof. More like an Akita than a GSD. However, his threat display is VERY short. He will bite quickly. LARGE dog.

[WildB0i]

That is definitely credible. From what I've heard, they have quite a low prey drive and are more defense orientated in which they make very good guard dogs or good PP dogs. I'm in planning stages of moving to North America(Alaska), definitely considering the purchase of a dog of this great breed ;)

[67goldtops]

WildBoi

I'd go for a Kangal before a CO. If you're serious about owning one of these types, I know of a breeder in the States who has legit Kangal blood. He has incredible stock. Had  a litter on the ground 3 months ago, I could get his information for future reference. Let me know.

[WildB0i]

Yeah, I like Kangals too, that would be great. All information appreciated ;-) What would be your reason to get a Kangal before a CO?

[67goldtops]

WildBoi

Pure EGO, lol! No, I suppose it depends on what you like in a dog. I need far more trainability than either breed can offer. But if I were to get a large century working type of dog that was intended to stay behind a fence, I'd go for a Kangal over the CO. They seem more tolerant of heat and generally more athletic. COs, from what I've seen have a much lower activity level. Kind of the "sleeping giant" scenario, where you can do all you want around them UNTIL they awake.

[67goldtops]

Wildboi

And yeah, I'll get you that breeder's info to you. I'm in Cali through the weekend. So as soon as I get a chance. Peace

[WildB0i]

@67goldtops -- Hey goldtops! I just remembered about this conversation. Was wondering if you had those breeder details? :)  Cheers.

[67goldtops]

@WildB0i

Did you check out that breeder's page yet?

[WildB0i]

@67goldtops - Yes, cheers for the link :D

[mrtallis]

@67goldtops my friend his a bitch of thgis breed but he's inable to find a stud, if any body can help that would be great. Close to sheffield is preferable

[Taud]

@WildB0i Yah man if i moved somewhere cold id get an akita or an ovcharka, the only reason im not going with ovcharkas now is its way too hot for them where im moving

[hoytyang]

ConiferTreez,

It's called avoidance- very very clear, at least in the video shown. I am in no way implying that 'all' Ovcharkas are this way- just by observing the video. Why else did you need a second line, other than to keep him there? Were you using it to teach the out?

[ConiferTreez]

Well then it's "avoidance" by way of annoyance/impatience, not through fear/anxiety/insecurity.

[conwict7]

this dog likely went into avoidance because it was unprepared for defense work, and the owners started him too early, etc. stupid.

[ConiferTreez]

Caucasian Ovcharka's are DEFENSE dogs, not attack dogs.

Folks nowadays don't understand what a DEFENSE dog is.

Caucasian Ovcharkas, Alentejo Mastiffs, Tibetan Mastiffs, and pretty much any Flock Guardian breed are DEFENSE dogs.

The ability to DEFEND (not pretect) comes naturally to them. Extreme Intelligence was bred into these breeds so that they would be able to think rationally on their own, so that they would be able to survive with as little human interaction as possible

[oOMarioMafiaOo]

yeah i had an english mastiff as a companion and as a guard dog someguy broke into our house we woke up and our dog had him pinned to the ground we called the cops and now he is serving time in prison :)

[67goldtops]

ConiferTreez

Oh looky who's here...It's the BIG CAT HUNTER himself!! Great! Drive to Panama lately? Man, in addition to being THE authority on ANCIENT breeds like Alanos (although you OWN Border Collies) you also work Avcharkas. Fascinating. Do you keep plenty of hydrogen peroxide on hand when working this breed?? Oh, and what does PRETECT mean?? Further how does one breed EXTREME INTELLIGENCE into a breed?? How EXACTLY is that done? And how, specifically, is a dog proofed for that? Chop chop!

[mc08killz]

also as one person said if the person came up nice and then attacked well it wouldnt attack therefore thats why you decide to get this kind of dog you dont want anyone around however it is a very smart breed and can be calm and trained to ttack if you want it nice to strangers...

[hzj79]

hmmm... hopeuflly that lead never breaks, because that dog would kill that man. from what i have heard about this breed is that it does not need training for protection as it is THE protector among all dogs. awesome dog!

[Pindol1]

i wonder would it still attack if the man approached it in a nice way with a nice tone of voice-I doubt it would attack.The problem wit a breeds like this is they cannnot switch off and on-they take everything personally....I like them,but they are not the greatest working dogs plus they are working only in a defense drive wich is not good as well...

[kazaneth]

a bored, ill trained ovtcharka will most likely be overly aggressive or ill-tempered.

most likely the agressive dog is stuck in a back yard in a nieghbor hood and never walked or exercised

but a trained and exercised ovtchark does not have bad manners and can tell friend from foe in most senarios... like a small child that is walking by will not become a target, but a shady and threatning man will become a target...

some can be mistrained or neglected

[iva90]

Very good comment.Thank you

[kazaneth]

Ovtcharkas are very smart for their size though, unlike some large breeds. Im pretty sure the Ovtcharka knows this is not an actual situation and just an exercise. If you look up more videos of them you will see that they were breed to guard and protect human and livestock. Lack of confidence is almost never an issue though they will bull rush anything if there is an actual situation to asses, but the Ovtcharka is smart enough to not take a pink sling and a coated arm seriously.

[hoytyang]

Wow... there sure are some pretty heated conversations here. One thing for sure- the training does nothing to promote personal protection- if that's what is intended. Notice at one point, the dog turns away from the helper.. a clear sign that he does not want to be there, and he is not confident in the situation. IMHO, that's no way to teach PP.

[kazaneth]

Ovtcharkas are very smart for their size though, unlike some large breeds. Im pretty sure the Ovtcharka knows this is not an actual situation and just an exercise. If you look up more videos of them you will see that they were breed to guard and protect human and livestock. Lack of confidence is almost never an issue though they will bull rush anything if there is an actual situation to asses, but the Ovtcharka is smart enough to not take a pink sling and a coated arm seriously.

[ConiferTreez]

Keep your mouth shut until you've worked with the breed.

He doesn't want to be there because he is bored to the point of irritation.

Not being confident is not an option for an Ovcharka.

[jrowe6]

this looks like these guys are provoking the dog into fighting without being in control. I dont know this breed very well, but you could make any dog unrealible and aggressive like this. correct me if I'm wrong.....

[0powerhouse]

BEEEEAAAAST

[canislegions]

hundefuhrer. That was an excellent comment and observation. Now why can't we have more intelligent comments on YouTube that could lead to positive training and betterment of the breed.

[hundefuhrer]

This clip shows an excellent example of how not to display defensive drive.  The action of the "decoy" serves only to produce hectic behavior which could mask a fear-biter. This clip does not do much to promote the breed.

[ConiferTreez]

there is NO SUCH THING as a fear-biting Ovcharka. Fear does not exist in an Ovcharka's world. They come like that.

If anything, the decoy is simply driving the dog to complete boredom/irritation. He obviously poses no threat whatsoever, and the dog would simply like to be left alone.

Don't open your mouth until you've worked with the breed.

[canislegions]

Conifertreez, you moronic dipshit. Check out Professinal Decoy work from Schutzhund, Ring, and KNPV trainers. You do the research first before you open that mouth you shit out of. Flap your trap when you have competed in these events ...i don't think you have, so for now leave the posting to those who know.

[canislegions]

conifer you stupid moronic dipshit...go check out some excellent decoy work when YOU DO your own research. Check our Schutzhund or Ring Decoy and see how the professionals do it. I have competed and trained dogs in Schutzhund so shove up your ass until you can prove me wrong.

[crazyshtimp]

great work by bogey btw!!! =)

[canislegions]

that was lousy decoy work. The dog learned nothing and his reward was frontal bite to the sleeve. If you want to teach the dog real bite work put on a hidden sleeve or hidden leg sleeve and let the dog get a full mouth bite. Don't forget to teach the dog how to "OUT" on command. God forbid you train a C.O. to attack and have no control after the fact. check out KNPV or ring sport on youtube if you want to see how to train a controlled attack dog.

[crazyshtimp]

no propper c.o. will even release on command. they make their own decisions on when to stop which is usually when the danger ceases in its mind.

[ConiferTreez]

you're a fuckin idiot, do your research before you open that ignorant mouth of yours

[clg26]

This is a beautiful dog and good training for the dog as well!

[iva90]

thanks

[marburgmonkey]

Gorgeous CO.

[iva90]

That and CAO Central Asian Ovcharka.

[armobro]

this breed is from armenia and the bordering cuntrys they stand 6 feet tall on 2 legs and waigh around 160 lb they were used as gared dogs in the CCCP army they are used by farmers to protect ther sheep from wolfs and bob cats

[sacanade32]

hey bro they are not from Armenia, look them up.

[pimpm5]

ya they r u retard there from armenia u should do more research everything on the computer is not always right

[nutrican]

mejor seria si se lo comiese de un bocado al tio ...i a la tia tb.pedazo de zorra ,vete a fregar platos i criar hijos.

[kikimsund]

what a pretty dog!!! so cool!

[iva90]

thank you

[CharanGordolan]

Огромный привет с Украины.

Charan-Gordolan.:)

[iva90]

:) Priyatno slishat' ot vas

[mastino26]

perfecto!!!!

[Pyshka60]

I think so 2

[izstolitsyukrainy]

Они ветеринары?  Пр!иятно, что у вас в стране не идут на поводу у "зелёных" и продолжают работать с кавказами, как положено! Спасибо вам за это!

[iva90]

Spasibo za vashi slova :)

[izstolitsyukrainy]

Амир приходится родственником моим некоторым собакам! В частности малышам на видике. Жандарм его отец и отец моей Юты, матери малышей! В этом году 25 апреля папе Амира Жандарму исполнится 13 лет! ОН хорошо выглядит, просто уже не молодой!

[iva90]

Da on xoroshii Kavkazets,na video moi muzh proveyaet ego,a kogda ot nego rodilis' shhenki,moi muzh i ego tovarishh rezali shhenkam ushi.Takoi malen'kii mir :)

[iva90]

Konechno Olya i eto eyo sobaka :)

[izstolitsyukrainy]

Хорошая собака! Работает не обращая внимание на жару, на солнце! Молодец!

[iva90]

eto sobaka,shashei podrugi- klassnii CO

[izstolitsyukrainy]

А подругу, случайно, не Ольга зовут? Если да, то тогда собака Шейх Амир Хан? Или я ошиблась?

[izstolitsyukrainy]

Хорошая собака! Работает не обращая внимание на жару, на солнце! Молодец!

[KL25548]

This Testing of the dog fails at all !

If You look at first picture, he is not interested in the aggressive Person, he looks somewhere else.

Second is, he does not want to bite.

He barks always forward, but then makes a step backwards.

Forget this dog as protection dog.

[shelbymainzer]

You are so fucken full of shit. A CO is the best guard dog in the world. I have a pit, dogo and co. Trust me when the CO gets mad the other two run scared.

[conni70]

Yeah, the CO is an incredible guard dog, big, powerful, aggressive and an inherent dislike for strangers ...But don't forget that there's another nasty and aggressive guard dog, the Fila Brasileiro... These two breeds are probably the purest guard dogs in the world...

[shelbymainzer]

I agree a fila has an inherent distrust for people. I also have a rhodesian ridgeback..she is an amazing guard dog. One owner dog also.

[loganstormo8]

kangal is an impressive powerful flock guard. But if i had to choose overall it would co.

[oceanicshark]

ara mexk a et shune ay eshhshi txeq! mi areq!

[Apemonger]

I have read that the Turkish Kangal eats Alabai's for breakfast.

Nonetheless a beautyfull dog!

[Tuguj]

I have seen alot of Caucasian dogs in Circassia. It's not a dog, actually it is a bear. :))

[iva90]

lol- true

[inssane99ss]

"Encompassing the territories of Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kabardino-Balkaria, Daghestan, Ossetia, Turkey, Chechnya, Ingushetia and Iran" - Wikepedia

There are different lines, so don't be calling people stupid if you do not REALLY know.

The dog in the video may be of Russian strain, but that doesn't mean that all variations are Russian.

[blackandred0]

Everyone, they are RUSSIAN! Even its name gives proof! Ovcharka is russian for shepherd. Anyone who says that the are Armanian or Turkish don't know what the hell they are talking about.

[Pippincurl]

they are from the marginal land between, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia.

[23river32]

caucasian ovtcharkas are not turkish dogs stupid, go read the history of the breed before opening your mouth. look at the name it will tell you where the breed is from. READ A BOOK OR SOMETHING, STUPID.

[stitchefron]

thank u!! omg i have 1 and everyone thinks its fuckn turkish its not!!!!!! its ARMENIAN!! like me!

[iva90]

LOL

[Shyntaghar]

It's a russian dog, not Armenian.

[blackandred0]

Finally! Someone who knows what they are talking about.

[oceanicshark]

It's a russian dog, not Armenian.<---- this comment made by Shyntaghar.

Reply.

Fuck you Bitch! this is not an Armenian and neither Russian, this dog is Caucasian, an Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia are including in Caucasus region!

[SeaSnakeX]

Finaly somebody with sense :)

[DobieGal]

This Caucasian Ovcharka is amazing, so calm when the decoy is not threatening him/the owner but ready to attack in a heartbeat when being threatened.

[mjnmjd]

Great dog!! Very impressive!! Keep up the good work!!

[iva90]

Thank you

[iva90]

Puppies are here :) 6 males 1 female :) Videos coming soon

[iva90]

This is a great dog puppies from him are due this week,we are looking forward to show them to you :)

[MissMarie84]

90% of the people in America couldn't handle a breed like this . . . Hell, they can't handle the dogs we have now.

That's one good thing - Jackasses who like to abuse their dogs would be eaten by a breed like this - I don't think the exploitation will last long (if they do end up flooding over here - like most breeds)

Beautiful dog :)

[iva90]

you are right!!!

Many modern breeds of dogs were bred artificially by the method of crossing different breeds, and their history is less than 200 years. Co ans Alabai need to be leaded decidedly and consistently.

Please note: if you are looking for a therapy dog, show dog, please look else where,this is not the right breed for you!

[H61073]

these are neither kangals nor alabais these are caucasian ofcharka dogs

[iva90]

U r right ,just like video states CO Caucasian Ovcharka

[PWWD]

It says "Alabai" usa but its a Kangal Dog.. A Turkish Originated dog.. called "kangal" and "karabash".

[miackmk]

great dogs,its in them to protect no matter what,well done.

[yelitbinvelit]

kangal domuz avı youtube paste ok KANGAL

[yelitbinvelit]

TURKİYE KANGAL TURKEY KANGAL PLS

[anthonydawe]

Wow!!! these dogs are awsome.How much do they cost?

[iva90]

anywhere from 1.500-3.000

[anthonydawe]

What videos do you have?

[SamuelParsy]

Good work. But to test the bite, you don't have to be aggressive at the beginning. The first test is to make it like in a game. You can see if the dog has a full bite. If not you can learn it to him. Only after you are sure that the dog is in a full bite, you can make some tests like with more aggression. Some dog are not so stable at the beginning and then they can being crazy. That's dangerous...

[iva90]

Thank you for your advise,this dog and the dogs like him don't need to be thought to bite,they are natural guardians with active defense drive. This dog is an adult and does have full bite. Dogs that need to be thought to bite are disqualified.And as far as being dangerous - only in the wrong hands...

[gelfuster]

see kangal

[iva90]

I have seen them at work they r great dogs

[iva90]

These are not muts,this breed is known for 5000 years

[KingZlatan]

W EPICO IDOLO!! (ci voleva lol)

[coolio99900]

best dog breed there is

[iva90]

that and central asian

[MoshotheSpear]

Good dog!

[iva90]

sure is :)

[iva90]

CO and CAO in my opinion are the best working dogs,not just by ability,but by their smart nature

[iva90]

why wouldn't thy be legal?

You see no problems with people owning Shephards,Rotties,these dogs are the ultimate guard dogs.They run anywhere from 2-5 thousand,depending on the bloodline

[iva90]

Perfect i will check your videos out

thanks for looking

[verner1967]

Fantastic dog and video, I have 2 CO, they also protect me and my family and are lovely with kids and other animals :))please look my videos.

[sserbulent]

powerfull dog

[kiros102208]

nice video and thanks for posting them

[iva90]

u r welcome and thank you