I'm more of a hard rock progressive metal guy myself but I love to see anyone who has really put in the time to get good at their instrument. Anything that is done well is worth a listen. This guy has put in the time and my hat goes off to him!
@rrrtbds12223 Before Edie Van Halen formed the band he started playing drums (so did his brother) he started practicing day after day for hours, but when he found out his brother was much more complex at drums than he was, he got mad and picked up the guitar. As a teen, Eddie would lock himself in his room and play for hours nonstop practicing. The band "Van Halen" had 2 names before this, Genesis (which they changed because there was already a band called genesis) and mammoth. ran out of room.
also nice job making a new name for a technique that's been around for about as long as people have played guitar with picks. Nobody does economy picking anymore, its all about the double down up picking.
@Joshkpeters yeah it's basically economy picking. I don't know why everyone's losing their shit over this, it's nothing new it's just in a triplet pattern so it sounds a little different than what everyone is used to. The guy is good, but he didn't invent shit.
@eric1love Definitely not possible. Every guitar player knows that what you can do on an acoustic obviously should never be attempted on an electric. In fact, I shouldn't even be talking about it, considering a black hole could form right in front of me for even saying something so absurd.
I wonder if u can use this in an arppegio style string skipping lick. i mean I know I can train myself to, but I would like to see it done first before i go putting in the time and effort for something that doesnt sound good
This guy explains himself so clearly, it's awesome. Some players are amazing, but can't go over what they do for shit. Ever watched George Benson's video? It's awesome, he's awesome, his playing is awesome -- but good luck learning anything.
this is MAGIC, I enjoy this "kind of tecnique", just a question: does he doing it all the way down to the end of the song, I mean the double down up or is it mixed with simple down up? thanks a lot lot for this add. can you put some more of this guy?
Yngie Malmsteen uses this technique a lot to play repeated arpeggios. E.g A minor arpeggio would A at 10th fret B string, then C on E string and E at 12th fret E string. Played down down up. Play as a triplet and repeat (and/or shift to, say, E7).
I'm not really a country fan but the folk roots in this technique remind me a lot of Jethro Tull. I can just picture Ian Anderson singing something along to "California." That would be really cool.
That is some really cool stuff, & THANKS for the very clear detailed instructions. Your playing is fantastic. That little ditty sticks in my head & I hum it for a while after listening!!! :)
Nice to see a homey admitting the limitations of God's guitar playing technique as decreed on Moses' stone tablets. This is an age old gypsy jazz trick based on their radically different picking technique
Thanks Brad. Some guitarists hesitate to share 'secret techniques' they may have discovered so it's great to see artists like you and Preston Reed and Antoine Dufour share with us all.
Real nice technique..... that's cool how you were initially trying to mimic another players technique ,but in the process you came up with your own unique sound and style....Kudos... thanks for sharing
What impresses me the most besides being such a profound musician, is that you share your God given talent with others unlike so many others. I appreciate it.
Agreed. Been doing this in Irish music for years. He's got nothing on Tony Rice, anyway. Sounds more like a practice tune than an actual piece. He's in dropped D, btw.
that's bad to the bone..!!..I use that technique already...but not as well as he does...I have a secret weapon tho...the double up - down!!!...try that one too...same idea...but backwards...
Brad is awesome. He really didn't have to share this but he did. What a great guy, huh? What would make you feel better: keeping this to yourself and blowing everyone away or, sharing this on youtube and seeing everyone using a technique you invented? Thankfully for all of us Brad chose the latter. Now, let's see some double down up videos from y'all! :-)
I totally agree! I'd like to think I'd be a "good enough guy" to show the things that took me years to learn...but I don't know if I would be willing to do that. Of course, this isn't something we could master very quickly! hahaha. But still...what a guy!
hey brad how are ya hope ur good just wanted to tell you thanks for this video i been struggling tryin to get my speed up an whe saw this video i has really helped me alot an i really thank you! when ya gunna be in or around north carolina i wanna ply wit ya tryin to make a career outta music is kinda hard roud hear so any advice hehe well thanks again clay from NC!
i love your tecknic i'm french from canada sorry for my english but, bad wee don't have good player and humble & simple man like you i'm a guitar player learned by my self and i'll learn from you thancks Cam Bujold
The key of D means the root note of a scale (the first note) is D. It could be any scale (theres millions). Its important to know and understand scales to understand melodies, solos and chord structure. The few barre chords you learned are based of the minor and major scale (most basic scales). So to answer your question learn scales! Many of them! Cheers.
It would be cool if Brad put out an Instructional DVD covering this technique and a bunch of his licks that incorporate this style. Of course, I like to see a complete breakdown of the tune California along with it. :)
Amazing, andI was thinking that I didn't play bad at all, I wish I could play like this guy, and than sit somewhere in a rail or subway station, playing like that.
Outstanding, i have heard my grand pop on his banjo and thats what it sounds like but obviously you are using a guitar and it has less steel sound ect. Very nice.
It isn't a Breedlove, it is a Takamine. The headstock is covered because of the B-string bending device mechanism that is mounted on the headstock. Once when I was using the device it came apart in the middle of a bend and a part flew off and almost hit someone in the head. So the cover is there for safety reasons.
Thanks for the lesson. BTW, I'd say to many virtuosos 'less art and more matter' but in your case - your art is truly all matter (substance) - you have a great sound.
It's similar to sweeps, but sweeps don't use rest strokes, that is, with the pick literally resting on the adjacent upper/lower string after the plucking motion. Also, unlike sweeps, the double down up is more percussive. It reminds me of Victor Wooten's slapping on the bass guitar.
Lots of people listen to django reinhardt. I've been trying to learn flatpicking after 40 years of fingerpicking... Don't care what anyone says, this stuff is hard but oh so nice.
To me, it looks like this would be worth it to classical and rock guitar players, for hand eye coordination :P
JordanJenocyde 2 weeks ago
This song is great
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nice
hendrix0is0lord 5 months ago
I'm more of a hard rock progressive metal guy myself but I love to see anyone who has really put in the time to get good at their instrument. Anything that is done well is worth a listen. This guy has put in the time and my hat goes off to him!
bcbenp44 5 months ago
Otherwise known as economy picking :/
sacredgeometry 5 months ago
i think i just shit my pants
DuBxLoViN123 5 months ago
No...I'm sure he said down, up, down.
xxxmicamicaxxx 6 months ago
So its down down up right?
slayerramma 6 months ago
what is the thing on his headstock?
gimpyjwilliams 7 months ago
@gimpyjwilliams I think it's there to cover the Takamine logo. At least, I think that's what he's playing.
DuskY1991 7 months ago
Gay
Dubsakk666 8 months ago
@Dubsakk666
WE all know that ur gay man
IamFullOfAss 8 months ago
WHATS VOLUME GUITAR MAGAZINE IT IS ??
superguitarras111 8 months ago
he mean van hellsing? o0
electroneticTV 9 months ago
@electroneticTV no
RtdXyron 9 months ago
@RtdXyron -.-orly
electroneticTV 9 months ago
@electroneticTV yes
RtdXyron 9 months ago
ta loco essse cara fla de + !!!
1994BATERA 10 months ago
just looks like economy picking to me :S
Arthurb06 10 months ago 3
OH MY!!!!!!!!!!!
metallichick06 11 months ago
really good guitar playing ! I will recommend this to my students.
florafox 1 year ago
nice guy
stoob1969 1 year ago
Very nice, VERy nice! Good to know!
Saultyness 1 year ago
whos eddie van halen?
rrrtbds12223 1 year ago
@rrrtbds12223 he's from van halen
lakers2003fan 1 year ago
@lakers2003fan whos van halen?
rrrtbds12223 1 year ago
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lakers2003fan 1 year ago
@rrrtbds12223 Before Edie Van Halen formed the band he started playing drums (so did his brother) he started practicing day after day for hours, but when he found out his brother was much more complex at drums than he was, he got mad and picked up the guitar. As a teen, Eddie would lock himself in his room and play for hours nonstop practicing. The band "Van Halen" had 2 names before this, Genesis (which they changed because there was already a band called genesis) and mammoth. ran out of room.
daberko120ch 8 months ago
@daberko120ch lol i know who who van halen is ^^. but thank you for the info and the video.
rrrtbds12223 8 months ago
@rrrtbds12223 were you just teasing lakers2003fan? lol.
daberko120ch 8 months ago
@lakers2003fan lol
WackyPick 11 months ago
5:43 I have been inspired! :O
Fox1991 1 year ago
sweep pickin
rafikimetalperu 1 year ago
What thickness of pick are you using to do this?
marimanque 1 year ago
@marimanque I'd say 1.0mm or more. Brad discusses his pick in another video and says it's a 1.24mm one from a company called 'Red Bear'.
DuskY1991 1 year ago
HA HA!!! he farted at 1:04
BYUIGUY 1 year ago
wow
videokid1235 1 year ago
also nice job making a new name for a technique that's been around for about as long as people have played guitar with picks. Nobody does economy picking anymore, its all about the double down up picking.
Shivemaster 1 year ago
eddie van halen huh? havent heard of him, maybe I should check him out..
Shivemaster 1 year ago
@Shivemaster , don't waste your time, go check for Shawn Lane. P.S. : be sure to be seated before listening.
eric1love 1 year ago
@Joshkpeters yeah it's basically economy picking. I don't know why everyone's losing their shit over this, it's nothing new it's just in a triplet pattern so it sounds a little different than what everyone is used to. The guy is good, but he didn't invent shit.
mca1houn 1 year ago
...acoustic sweeping
SamHandwiches 1 year ago
Wow! That's amazing!
grammyof5kids 1 year ago
Would love to hear this technique on an electric, is that possible? OMG
eric1love 1 year ago
@eric1love Definitely not possible. Every guitar player knows that what you can do on an acoustic obviously should never be attempted on an electric. In fact, I shouldn't even be talking about it, considering a black hole could form right in front of me for even saying something so absurd.
DannyCozzi 1 year ago
@DannyCozzi Sarcasm meter has reached a new level. beware the event horizon!
eric1love 1 year ago
@eric1love Can you blame me? I mean, seriously. That was just dumb.
DannyCozzi 1 year ago
@DannyCozzi well mr smart guy i had just picked up the guitar and i didnt kno too much about da guitar thts y i asked
all4onej5 1 year ago
its called sweeping just because its a down down up doesnt mean its any different.
himsaad714 1 year ago
THANK YOU!
Great stuff!
erikberton 1 year ago
interesting
mikeb7791 1 year ago
shit, i think i'm gonna quit, i try and try and I can't!!!!!!!!!!
Unknown100692 1 year ago
I wonder if u can use this in an arppegio style string skipping lick. i mean I know I can train myself to, but I would like to see it done first before i go putting in the time and effort for something that doesnt sound good
midnitez43 2 years ago
can this technique be used with an electric guitar as well?
all4onej5 2 years ago
of course!
meirace 2 years ago
@all4onej5 according to Dannycozi, a black hole will engulf the world if you try that, be careful.
eric1love 1 year ago
@eric1love nd eric i tuk a luk at ur channel and u sound terrible...thts garbage
all4onej5 1 year ago
Sounds like banjo
cool technique thx dude ^^
64GIO 2 years ago
he blows my mind!!!
raller90210 2 years ago
Hold the pick like this folks,,,not off the point ,,
danlashbrookgtrsetup 2 years ago
Yeah... otherwise you may end up playing like Dan Crary or some other guitar genius.
haunter112 2 years ago
This is a little flashier version of George Shuffler's original cross picking for the Stanley Brothers from 40 years ago.
docsavage98 2 years ago
This guy explains himself so clearly, it's awesome. Some players are amazing, but can't go over what they do for shit. Ever watched George Benson's video? It's awesome, he's awesome, his playing is awesome -- but good luck learning anything.
yagamei 2 years ago
bluegrass??
jamesrichardson63 2 years ago
economy picking?
joshkpeters 2 years ago
thers another guitar player -Danny Gatton, licks and tricks , great right hand tecnique stuff on u-tube ...
and thanks for posting ....down down up !!
theraytex 2 years ago
this is MAGIC, I enjoy this "kind of tecnique", just a question: does he doing it all the way down to the end of the song, I mean the double down up or is it mixed with simple down up? thanks a lot lot for this add. can you put some more of this guy?
joyce55 2 years ago
every once and a while you find those great songs by someone you have no clue about, this is one of them
mitchskater 2 years ago
Finally the perfect explanation, Thanks a lot!
sweetestkiss666 2 years ago
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Explosive184 2 years ago
hahahaha
'this guy eddie van halen'
deftonesordie 2 years ago 63
lol!!!
jonman45 2 years ago
haha, i laughed there too
Unloadedx5 2 years ago
Yngie Malmsteen uses this technique a lot to play repeated arpeggios. E.g A minor arpeggio would A at 10th fret B string, then C on E string and E at 12th fret E string. Played down down up. Play as a triplet and repeat (and/or shift to, say, E7).
sludgefingers 2 years ago
I'm not really a country fan but the folk roots in this technique remind me a lot of Jethro Tull. I can just picture Ian Anderson singing something along to "California." That would be really cool.
freexbox360view 2 years ago
do you recommend playing this closer to the bridge?!?
soupie 2 years ago
wow!
kdlkg 2 years ago
That is some really cool stuff, & THANKS for the very clear detailed instructions. Your playing is fantastic. That little ditty sticks in my head & I hum it for a while after listening!!! :)
fireguitars 2 years ago
Thanks for sharing Brad - awesome playing!
harewr 2 years ago
Nice to see a homey admitting the limitations of God's guitar playing technique as decreed on Moses' stone tablets. This is an age old gypsy jazz trick based on their radically different picking technique
maddi62 2 years ago
Thanks Brad. Some guitarists hesitate to share 'secret techniques' they may have discovered so it's great to see artists like you and Preston Reed and Antoine Dufour share with us all.
beethovenbix 2 years ago
I don't want to take away anything from this great musician but it is also a great way to get people interested in buying his album.
MMMisterDNA 2 years ago
Real nice technique..... that's cool how you were initially trying to mimic another players technique ,but in the process you came up with your own unique sound and style....Kudos... thanks for sharing
mrbass47 2 years ago
I'm with leonqwik, why is the rest so important
pandafuryface 2 years ago
This lesson just solved issues I have been struggling with, as far as timing and clarity of my picking. Thank you so much.
fuffermucker 2 years ago
WOW! Awesome playing and picking...great teaching too! Thanks! :)
CELTICCASS 2 years ago
First time I see a man with that nice sharing,what ever what's people gona say thanks brad
Waicam 2 years ago
thank you m can't wait to practice this tomorrow! that is tight!
nsaretard 2 years ago
That freakin' chickin' pickin' rocks!
greenwanx 2 years ago
What impresses me the most besides being such a profound musician, is that you share your God given talent with others unlike so many others. I appreciate it.
beesee8 2 years ago 3
God given talent called practice ;)
GoranDBK 2 years ago 2
Why is the rest ON the string so important?
leonqwik 3 years ago
easier to keep good timing
AntiJoanna 2 years ago
I assumed that was the idea but if you're not use to it ( for me anyway) it creates timing issues.
leonqwik 2 years ago
WOW
Bassplayingboy 3 years ago
Gonna use this to get chicks.
Not the technique, the video itself, I mean.
TheSender 3 years ago 33
Haha, this made me laugh.
Anyway, neat video
Jack741 3 years ago
4:28...nice
KensingtonMcVeigh 3 years ago
really good teacher
sge9 3 years ago
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All those words to describe such a simple thing. This video is asinine.
WeszWesWesley 3 years ago
Agreed. Been doing this in Irish music for years. He's got nothing on Tony Rice, anyway. Sounds more like a practice tune than an actual piece. He's in dropped D, btw.
upkilt 3 years ago
nice!
jacobl08 3 years ago
I am amazed,,simply amazed and going to practice something new,,, thank you,,,
jackblu01 3 years ago
i don't think i'll ever get the hang of this...*sob*
sexstring 3 years ago
wow, that sounds fantastic. and you've taught me something new today...thanks!
justanotherdeadhead 3 years ago
dude wow
Clipseeee 3 years ago
This = 25 years of practice.
redfish87 3 years ago
My ass.
WeszWesWesley 3 years ago
that's bad to the bone..!!..I use that technique already...but not as well as he does...I have a secret weapon tho...the double up - down!!!...try that one too...same idea...but backwards...
synesthesia67 3 years ago
that¡'s cool
gobobke 3 years ago
There is no substitute for talent!
TRAINIAC19 3 years ago
Brad is awesome. He really didn't have to share this but he did. What a great guy, huh? What would make you feel better: keeping this to yourself and blowing everyone away or, sharing this on youtube and seeing everyone using a technique you invented? Thankfully for all of us Brad chose the latter. Now, let's see some double down up videos from y'all! :-)
BubbaFart 3 years ago
I totally agree! I'd like to think I'd be a "good enough guy" to show the things that took me years to learn...but I don't know if I would be willing to do that. Of course, this isn't something we could master very quickly! hahaha. But still...what a guy!
Sweeper5 3 years ago
hey brad how are ya hope ur good just wanted to tell you thanks for this video i been struggling tryin to get my speed up an whe saw this video i has really helped me alot an i really thank you! when ya gunna be in or around north carolina i wanna ply wit ya tryin to make a career outta music is kinda hard roud hear so any advice hehe well thanks again clay from NC!
guitarman272 3 years ago
man that pick style rocks, man, ima have to keep training till get a sound like yours.
Ure amazin man!!
take care!
keep it real!
hoffnerbass 3 years ago
dude thats crazy
skatepunk2222222 3 years ago
thats great
replayboy7 3 years ago
Who needs tapping? What staggering RH technique (LH technique not bad either!)
121jsb 3 years ago
U Rock!!! Thank U ;D
Ragnarokpwn3r 3 years ago
thanx
jakadaba 3 years ago
really helpfull
edish01 3 years ago
SLEEVES???
bellcr8v 3 years ago
i love your tecknic i'm french from canada sorry for my english but, bad wee don't have good player and humble & simple man like you i'm a guitar player learned by my self and i'll learn from you thancks Cam Bujold
Waicam 3 years ago
hahah doesnt even look like his right hand is playin it lol sweet tech!
Gummmmy 3 years ago
Absolute economy of movement -- his trademark...
Tq
BlindTom61 3 years ago
Brilliant!
gsteve2000x 3 years ago 5
thats a fuckin trademark there
elhacher 3 years ago
amazing sounding stuff, i really like this technique, sounds a bit like a banjo at times.
classikz 3 years ago 3
i can do this fast as crap but i can figure out how to incorporate it in playing any tips? thanks
junkpunx 4 years ago
Sometimes, music just makes me happy... what a nice song.
Jaculum 4 years ago 3
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(cough) gaylord...
cameundermayne 4 years ago
I taught myself, so I take it, it is important to learn scales? I can play open chords, and few barr chords... is it important to learn scales?
For example you said in the key of D, or key of G? is that scales?
smithmusic07 4 years ago
The key of D means the root note of a scale (the first note) is D. It could be any scale (theres millions). Its important to know and understand scales to understand melodies, solos and chord structure. The few barre chords you learned are based of the minor and major scale (most basic scales). So to answer your question learn scales! Many of them! Cheers.
ImOnTheTube 4 years ago 2
Great lesson; the idea was very clear =) I'm off to practice -> =)
loirinhobrasil 4 years ago
Thanks Brad,
Awesome.
Jimbo1952 4 years ago
Awesome!
HandyDanson 4 years ago
Brad,
Is the Takamine you're playing here the 340 mahogany or 360 rosewood model? Which model do you like the best?
Thanks!
jdatnva 4 years ago
P.S. What brand pick and gauge are you using here?
Thanks!
jdatnva 4 years ago
His Takamine is a mahogany 340.
fuzzfinder 4 years ago
brilliant pickin!
Keelsman 4 years ago
Wow!!! fuckin amazing skills!!!
PVGroove 4 years ago
It would be cool if Brad put out an Instructional DVD covering this technique and a bunch of his licks that incorporate this style. Of course, I like to see a complete breakdown of the tune California along with it. :)
jdatnva 4 years ago
Awesome must be the right word^^
Grimm1977 4 years ago
New technique learned awesomeness....
projectden 4 years ago
Just cant beleive it...beautiful...
joel9326055148 4 years ago
very good man
supersonicSC 4 years ago 2
Holy moly, well done! Reckon I have to check out your music a bit, California seems a sweet tune! :)
Lancaniseraren 4 years ago
that's fantastic
edmaximus 4 years ago
Bravo for your amazing technique & music.Greetings from France
botiench 4 years ago 2
This style of playing is too slow,
I prefer much faster guitar playing.
I also prefer my music much more melodic.
Alright, I kid...
This is some of the nicest fast playing I have ever heard.
I am 35 and constantly listen to and play music so that is a compliment.
Great style.
You should be on the top 10 charts.
Right beside 50 Cent.
sharkroy 4 years ago 3
Amazing, andI was thinking that I didn't play bad at all, I wish I could play like this guy, and than sit somewhere in a rail or subway station, playing like that.
gitaardocphil55 4 years ago
excellent and impressive, true master thanks!
marcgib2 4 years ago
Excellent demo!! Thanks
n2motocross 4 years ago
Is an Electro accoustic guit i very like his song can you tell me the mark
DtreX 4 years ago
Outstanding, i have heard my grand pop on his banjo and thats what it sounds like but obviously you are using a guitar and it has less steel sound ect. Very nice.
ciamonkey 4 years ago
its a breedlove guitar
Dcentofante 4 years ago
It isn't a Breedlove, it is a Takamine. The headstock is covered because of the B-string bending device mechanism that is mounted on the headstock. Once when I was using the device it came apart in the middle of a bend and a part flew off and almost hit someone in the head. So the cover is there for safety reasons.
BradDavisMusic 4 years ago
wHY COVER THE HEADSTOCK? Not the brand that endorses you? Way cool picking by the way, reminds me of Victor Wootan(?) and his thumb techs.
shaunaldr 4 years ago
kinda cool acually :P
europenr112 4 years ago
That's given me something to think about. I'm a fan of Steve Kaufman who advocates d-u-d-u
picking always, which is what I've favoured up 'till now. But hmmmmm.- - - maybe I need to
re-think. By the way, you dudes there, if you havn't seen steve kaufman, you'd better check him out out.
tetmupco 4 years ago
Really helful video.Thanks Brad for the right techniques.You play great keep up that amazing good work.
Edgarios 4 years ago
thats damn amazing haha
chevyduty 4 years ago
Thanks for the lesson. BTW, I'd say to many virtuosos 'less art and more matter' but in your case - your art is truly all matter (substance) - you have a great sound.
feurzug 4 years ago
lol.. I heard this guy Eddie Van Halen, heheh
thanx for the post and Peace from Alaska for now.
ShrivldRichard 4 years ago
nice man. me and my friend are trying to make a tenacious d style band so im trying to beef up my acoustic playing. very helpful
SnoogenLuken 4 years ago
Good stuff but it seems to me that this technique was already has a name. Isn't this a very close form of sweeping? Thanks for the post.
xms32 4 years ago
yeah this what i was thinking !! strange ! its just like a shorter version of it ay it ""
mindfalls 4 years ago
It's similar to sweeps, but sweeps don't use rest strokes, that is, with the pick literally resting on the adjacent upper/lower string after the plucking motion. Also, unlike sweeps, the double down up is more percussive. It reminds me of Victor Wooten's slapping on the bass guitar.
Dadgader1 4 years ago
hoooooOOOoOOOOly cow
wat fast fingers :)
spykerider 4 years ago
thanks a lot!!
leocecco 4 years ago
Doc Watson played tunes like sweet Georgia brown with that style it is Sweet.
campocat 4 years ago
this guy loves himself... i would to if i could play that.. purely amazing
syverone 4 years ago
Hole---Eee Shhhhit!!!
Kruizinby 4 years ago
Good thing I never quit my day job...
Forethat 4 years ago
Awesome technique!
ultimatebanjo 4 years ago
Hey man, I love your playing style. I gotta know, were some of your major influences on acoustic guitar?
Psymon916 4 years ago
beautiful man. some of those licks are so well knit. great stuff
therealrockpresley 4 years ago
shut up trojun, no one listens to django reinhardt, quit sounding like a know it all u piece of shit
ibrouk1 5 years ago
Lots of people listen to django reinhardt. I've been trying to learn flatpicking after 40 years of fingerpicking... Don't care what anyone says, this stuff is hard but oh so nice.
scawa1952 5 years ago
lol, nobody that sucks listens to django such as probably yourself. Just the good players listen to him.
xms32 4 years ago
wow thats the most frustrating thing i have ever seen
threesprings 5 years ago